Music Discussion

[north hull]

two bass oneshots from an aethral sample pack that i used as wavetables with a saw wave fm'd into it
also a heinous amount of effects

now is also a great time to talk about how much i hate fl automation

[violet fern]

https://soundcloud.com/metahumanboi/u-got-honey-from-the-beecat-free-dl

finished it

[north hull]

fire

[hard zealot]

can u teach me how to sound desgn

[north hull]

i am not very good at teaching

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot I just made some bullshittt

[hard zealot]

rate ts

[livid parrot]

i love it very much

[flat sun]

I don't know how to breakcore aaaa

[north hull]

is this 7/4

[ashen ginkgo]

@lavish nest I tried ableton trial and

I like how it gives really high quality sounds and stockplugins, and I like how you can overview the entire project.

But it isnt for me, the UI is generally really complicated (and ugly imo), took me some getting used to even start messing around with stuff, and oh my gosh, I HATE the midi editor. Part of the reason i moved to lmms from bandlab was because of its very inconvienient midi editor and ableton has roughly the same style with like 10x more shit that pops up when i right click.

Not to mention how laggy it is

[lavish nest]

10x stuff pops up cuz Ableton can do a lot with midi lmao and yeah u need strong hardware for Ableton
Especially in live 12 Ableton is packed with features so it's as optimized as it can be

[hard zealot]

Yes

4/4 then 7/4

But back to 4/4

[ashen ginkgo]

tryna go for that dimrain47 feel, still have a long way to go esp with sound design

this is gonna be really tough because he used really complicated synth presets

also mixing may be off, i lost my headphones during my vacation

[hard zealot]

do a fuckass jazz piano solo

[ashen ginkgo]

@worn pawn check this channel out vro

[worn pawn]

Oh sweeeet

Ima sleep soon but ill come join here tmmrw and check out the musics

[lavish nest]

[remote cradle]

The real f777

I think

[bold thunder]

oh no way

hes active again

[molten saffron]

🤔 groovin

[north hull]

more progress

[lavish nest]

hey could someone give me some pointers on how to mix this so it has greater clarity, im in a situation of having so many layers i genuinely dont know what to do lmfao

[potent grove]

Don't worry trusty Music Nerd 300000000000000000 here to save ya!!!!!!!!!!!!

A. Low End

Your sub is overpowering the kick and the kick is trying to fight for space.

So Id suggest sidechaining and ensuring the the kick stays in control.

This is EDM kick is everything 😍

Also the other instruments are occupying the low end giving less clarity than needed for a good low end.

So suggestion:

Increase Kick Presence
Make low end be conformed to the kicks transient presents.
And remove unessary low end from other instruments

B. High End

Noicing on a spectral analyzer that the high end is the biggest presence in the mix, This is kinds unbalanced

Idealy you would want to lower either by a master eq to lower so it stays level in the mix.

[potent grove]

Also noticing at 0:32 that your high end cracks, and shakes are causing destortion in the final product leading to a worse sound. Suggestion lower the high end with this.

Finaly I would suggest making the high hats have more presents and less of the actual melodic instruments.

Also suggestion you should experiement with hihats more to fill in the space in the high end, and to give better groove.

So conclusion:

A. Lower the high end presence on the cracks and shake fx.
B. Increase hihat present.
C. Lower the high end on the master.
D. Fill in more space in the high end with more action in the hihats.\

C. Mid End

For the mids I believe you are ducking the mids too much

I believe this is electro house and even in songs like dubstep. electro house, and dnb you should not have the mids ducked.

Your mids and tones get completly lost, and if you were to play them on loud speakers the sound would naturaly loose alot of clarity because of it.

Id also suggest you experiement with time based effects such as delays and reverbs to give the mids more space.

This can be used on the lead as your lead feels very raw compared to spectral qualities of the other instruments.

Destortion can also be used

I am noticing with your music ludo you overdo the smiley curve and in some cases such as this adding tone and space would create a more dynamic rich sound. The fundamentals lie in the mix .

So Conclusion:
A. Make the lead instrument form better through time-based, gain-based, or spectral-based effects such as distortion, reverb, delay. My suggestion is distortion for this case.
B. Increate the fundimental and harmonic presence in your mids for a dynamic less artificaly created sound.
C. Make the mids have as much presence as the highs and low.

A simple example of modifying using 3 eqs to make the frequency distribution would sound like this (This is roughly the curve of what EDM music should look like)

More changes would need to be done but it shows as simple as master eqing could do make it sound more rich and full.

@lavish nest Hope this helps ^^ One last thing calm down, don't need to panic!!!!! BANGER WORK

[north hull]

i gotta turn down that one super strong sub 💀

and filter the fuck out of one of the saws

[lavish nest]

huge help ty

you said a lot of the same things my other friend said so yeah i have a really good direction to follow

[potent grove]

Please share your final version when you're done mixing and mastering

[lavish nest]

Ofc 🙏 🙏 🙏

[potent grove]

Go cook ludo! Gooooo

Ludo where is food. ME HUNGRY

[lavish nest]

Feast on my Minecraft build

[potent grove]

LETS GOOO

Cook

[hard zealot]

can i ask too

for mixing help

[potent grove]

Sure send

[potent grove]

Lets do the same

Low End.

Perfect

High End.

Not bad

Middle End as well

For loundess I would suggest lowering the highs a lil.

Now the main issue with this is less of eq, levels.

Its more of reverb and space.

@hard zealot Is your goal to have the sound be cohesive in space or not? As in having it in the same room?

I would add more reverb into the piano.

And I would also add some delay for that bit lead.
Make the reverb match with the acoustic space of the Robot and Violin/Viola sound.

Make it fill

I dont have much issues with it apart from making it sound more like its in one room.

[hard zealot]

Same room

[potent grove]

Use reverb to make it sound consistant.

And tip

[hard zealot]

I wanted to have a much more dryer sound with the piano though

[potent grove]

USE CONVOLUTION REVERB FOR THIS

[hard zealot]

Whats that

[potent grove]

Fruity Convolver

Example of a slight reverb

[hard zealot]

Whats the difference between reeverb and convolver?

[hard zealot]

I myself was kinda worried with high ends lol

[potent grove]

Reverb using hall reverb a type of reverb that models modulation that matches the acustic space of a hall.

Convolution uses modulation of impusles to record the reverberation of physical spaces and recreate them digitally.

[hard zealot]

Interesting

[potent grove]

I find high ends tends to be addicting to overpower.

Its in our nature to light bright present sounds.

[potent grove]

@hard zealot

Its slight but still retains the dryness

Once again slight nudges like this help.

[hard zealot]

Okay thank you! ,

[potent grove]

One last ping banger composition

FUCKING FULL OF LIFE

[hard zealot]

Thank you!!!!

My favorite part of the entire piece has got to be the intro

Sounds like boss fight music lol

[lavish nest]

chat may i have some feedback on this

[potent grove]

Also imma be honest your music ngl reminds me of Schtfffles.

Has a similer level of energy and groove.

[lavish nest]

https://tenor.com/view/ena-ena-joel-g-ena-dream-bbq-dream-bbq-taski-maiden-gif-12954724810985189544

[potent grove]

Your music has a nostalgic value to it idk why.

[north hull]

i changed my mind that piano slow down doesnt really work for this

[hard zealot]

I keep getting confused at the near end because it stays at the same chord for 3 measures

[hard zealot]

The melody hints at a different chord, but it doesn't happen

It feels very weird in a sense, though it isn't too much of a problem

@potent grove are you available to give feedback on this too?

Oh wait you're offline

Other than crazy imbalance with how the cello is panned and some issues with shit trying to battle for attention at the low-mid ends i think theres some more stuff i dont know yet

Sax and piano only

[ashen ginkgo]

He also scouted me :D

[hard zealot]

Scouted by F-777 is insane

[hard zealot]

woah woah woah

not really mixed yet so it sounds a bit rough rn

[hard zealot]

Loving this

[north hull]

synthesis motif detected

[north hull]

love all of this

kinda reminds me of frums in that first section

[lavish nest]

wait how do u get the vocal thingy at the start i wanted to do it for a few songs in the future too lmao

lmao synthesis

[lavish nest]

that pause could defo be more experimental do not be afraid touch the noise... dont fear the noise.... . escape tonality enter the realm of timbre...

@hard zealot lmk when u release this cuz this is straight up stuff i love listening to

[ashen ginkgo]

I can't work on music

My right ear is completely clogged

I don't understand why :(

[lavish nest]

u can still work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQUeMOR-KY

[ashen ginkgo]

The mixing is gonna be terrible

But you know what, time to harness my inner Beethoven

Tomorrow

[lavish nest]

yes

[hard zealot]

Oh the robot?

Its FL studio Speech

TTS plugin

[hard zealot]

Yeah i had 0 ideas of what to do with the noise

I didn't wanna have anything else happening there because it'll blur the spectogram shit 😭😭😭

[lavish nest]

oh fl only 💔

[hard zealot]

Just use a TTS website

[hard zealot]

I know this self glaze but i love the starting of the second half because it FEELS so phantom of the opera coded 🥹

[hard zealot]

??????????

[ashen ginkgo]

cametized was mocking 5 year olds

and i made a song out of it

[hard zealot]

LOL

[flat sun]

Yeah I agree, hence why I said "I don't think so".
But I added more sub, should be audible now I think.

[violet fern]

lol

[hard zealot]

panning made me confused for a sec lol

I like it so far

6/8 beat? Nice

Actually nah

Seems like 4/4 with swing

Yeah 4/4 swing seems more likely

[hard zealot]

Ran outta time

[hard zealot]

Might change the climax of the big band part

[north hull]

no volume warning 😭

[ashen ginkgo]

It ain't even Christmas yet but my new year's resolution is to save 200 dollars for FL studio

LMMS has reached a point where it's too rigid for me if I want to expand my style

[ashen ginkgo]

nvm i cookd

VERY different from my other works

[ashen ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

This is how I felt

[hard zealot]

I forgot to post ngl

[hot token]

ok

[hard zealot]

So awesome

The arpeggio chiptune thingamajig reminds me of the moon theme from the ducktales game lol

[hot token]

ty twin

[north hull]

terraria moon theme be like

[lavish nest]

Terraria is an inspiration 👀

Moon lord theme specifically

[north hull]

time to go through and fix a bunch of shit

[ashen ginkgo]

so i made this start like a month ago

i decided to extend it and see where i could take it

do yall think i should make this a full song?

if so any suggestions (esp sound design side)

@lavish nest @hard zealot @north hull @wind temple

[ashen ginkgo]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1504866

Merry Christmas :)

[potent grove]

@ashen ginkgo one of the songs Ill be releasing this year

[ashen ginkgo]

Awesome

[potent grove]

Take a full listen

[ashen ginkgo]

bro tis feels like what my band would play

oh damn

didnt expect that drop

made some updates

[potent grove]

One more

This one is so beautiful to listen through

Refrenced some old tracks in this as well

[ashen ginkgo]

PRESSURE??

also damn that's really cool

[ashen ginkgo]

RFA i need yo feedback

[potent grove]

Slow but cool

[ashen ginkgo]

meant to be slow lol

it's for aqua's normal map

[potent grove]

Growing up so fast 🥹

[ashen ginkgo]

so i just made it like solemn yet fascinating trip through the cosmic cave ig

[potent grove]

Yipee :D

I like it

[ashen ginkgo]

thanks :D

[potent grove]

I like it

I like it

I like it

[ashen ginkgo]

presets my beloved

aqua asked me to change the ending

so it's a key change

[north hull]

things are happening i think (-10db master cause i forgor)

[ashen ginkgo]

my first EVER try in LMMS, this is from september 2024
(volume warning)

but this shows that we all start somewhere

[barren laurel]

bass is kinda ass but the lead sound fire
playing with vital

[north hull]

master is at the correct volume now

[hard zealot]

If you need guitar just get someone to play it for you

[violet fern]

get metal gtx and amped roots

good free guitar and amp

ui standard guitar is good too i forgot if its free

shreddage stratus another good free guitar

anyway

[hard zealot]

Or do what i do, get a friend to record a guitar 🗣🗣🤑🤑🤑

[north hull]

one does not question the ways of FL studio

[barren laurel]

i have no one to ask

[ashen ginkgo]

^^^^^^^^^^

personally i use metal gtx and crunck

but whatever floats your boat ig

[ashen ginkgo]

ye it's free

[ashen ginkgo]

thanks for da drops

[hard zealot]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1506209

[ashen ginkgo]

right where we left off

[ashen ginkgo]

but the drop...feels underwhelming...?, how do i fix that, how do i make it grand and fast, i nailed the fast melody and everything but something feels missing 😭

someone HELP, i genuinely dont understand what is missing

@north hull @hard zealot @barren laurel @lavish nest

rfa i need ur thoughts too

[potent grove]

Want me to explain a few things about contrast and impact. And give techniques to help your current wip?

[ashen ginkgo]

YES PLEASE

I NEED IT

@potent grove PLEASEEE

[potent grove]

Give or take there are 3 main things that make EDM songs work

One of them is contrast between section

And adding and removing sections

Is common.

Imma take one of my wip goa trance projects called a World We Build to demonstrate this

@ashen ginkgo Things are being added and taken away, and when the drop hits notice I am taking away some shit?

Instead of adding more.

Take a way less from the last bars of previous sections to have more impact

[ashen ginkgo]

oooo yea

ow my ears

[potent grove]

Another thing that is missing from this is the bass and low end being present.

Bassline melodies, that are sidechained to the kick, plus a present kick might help on the drop

You are missing that umph, and that is given on any song

[ashen ginkgo]

Bassline melodies?

So there has to be a melody on the lower end or just bass?

[potent grove]

There needs actions and imput in the low end.

[ashen ginkgo]

Also what's a present kick

[potent grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqqTl943nS0 Take for example this one from creo (using diverse sources hehehe)

Take a look at the low end

A banging kick, with basslines and gritty synths in the low end to keep it moving and powerful

Try to create complementrary melodies in the low end the match to the kick, that creats movenent in the drop.

A goal with EDM drops is that they should create movement.

@ashen ginkgo

[ashen ginkgo]

Ic

Would a bassline like this one in hope, comes in at 0:26, work?
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1478872

[potent grove]

Up to you

I am just giving you ideas on how to manuever.

[ashen ginkgo]

I see

I don't really know what type of synths to use on the lowend because some times they sound a bit awkward compared to my main synths

Any idea?

[potent grove]

@lavish nest Would know more of that

[barren laurel]

get on some synthesizers and distort a sine wave bass

[lavish nest]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SINE TRI SUB BOOM
REESE FOR TEXTURE BOOM
SIDECHAIN GRIT BASS FOR MIDS BOOM
MAKE SURE NONE OF THEM HIT THAT H IGHS UNELSS ITS A BASS DROP

BOOOM

back to work

[ashen ginkgo]

What

What is a sine Tri sub

[lavish nest]

sine wave and triangle wave

[ashen ginkgo]

What is a sidechain grit bass

[ashen ginkgo]

Oh ok

[lavish nest]

adds emphasis one the pure frequency

and sounds reallll good

hen sidechain grit bass is just a bass that sounds "gritty"
and has sidechain, all your bass should have sidehcian with your kick so the textures dont mud

[ashen ginkgo]

Alr

[barren laurel]

i have no shit idea on sound designing for the sine bass but the thing should be better with some lowend

[lavish nest]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-hates-chris-everybody-hates-chris-meme-everybody-hates-chris-tv-show-everybody-hates-chris-boombox-boombox-gif-9984813089547523217

[ashen ginkgo]

should i add more voices to any of them

[lavish nest]

Up to you

This is where you get to experiment

[ashen ginkgo]

actually starting to sound like a drop

now i gotta sidechain

[hard zealot]

Fuck yeah

Drugs type beat

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[pure valley]

i couldve sidechained my bass the whole time?????

[lavish nest]

Ye it's very very important

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot i think im starting to make one of the wierdest melodies ive ever made

unsure about the bass but

[pure valley]

oh it turns out i had been doing it the past few tracks and never thought about it LOL

[lavish nest]

Lmao good

[north hull]

yummy yummy pitch bend mmm

[ashen ginkgo]

added sidechaining, cleaned up the melodies and made some improvements with the synths

@barren laurel @potent grove @hard zealot i think it sounds better now

[north hull]

attempt at figuring out a melody from a wip someone posted in another server (first 3 seconds are just me)

[north hull]

(there are also drums oops)

[violet fern]

this sounds like jino

[north hull]

it is jinos wip

[north hull]

i was just gonna figure out how to make neuro but this is something

[little gull]

jinobeats???

yo....

[potent grove]

Its 2026

On jan 16th a decade ago on 2016 I created my first song.

So i can say Ive been composing for more than a decade after that day

Wow man im old

[little gull]

im realizing just how insane camellia is

because my perspective changed from a regular listeners to a composers perspective

[lavish nest]

Camellia sound design is insane
Camellia musicality is insane
But camellia mixing 😭 🙏 🙏

[hard zealot]

camellia mixing

https://tenor.com/view/shiseidored-pou-gif-13221666817185724082

[molten saffron]

The fabled brick:

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot i ne ed.. music help.. (if i could send in dms cause i need to sleep soon i think)

[lavish nest]

i honestly wanna try something 8bit

[hard zealot]

okey

[lavish nest]

uh

i did too much

i need to get back to uni work

enjoy

videogame musician makes videogame music in 20 minutes or something

[lavish nest]

type shi

[barren laurel]

fire

[north hull]

thing

[ashen ginkgo]

really cool table, found it while tryna find methods to make house music

[lavish nest]

I've never seen the first 3 be called effects

Tbf I call them transitionary material lmao

[ashen ginkgo]

isnt it under 'sfx' tho

[lavish nest]

Uh

[ashen ginkgo]

idk

[lavish nest]

Technically

Yeah

Idk through my education I've always seen effect as musical processes that edit a signal of an input

[lavish nest]

But yeah all this stuff is very useful for music in general

[ashen ginkgo]

exactly why i shared it

kind of a cool way to break it down

[lavish nest]

Ye

I've spent the last 3 years breaking down my understanding of every part of a composition lmao

Rather than sticking to genre conventions

[ashen ginkgo]

can someone break down in simple terms how the basis of house is

i just want like a rough set of guidelines to help stick to the style, but not too specific so i have some room to experiment

[lavish nest]

Chord rhythm
simple plucky melody (arp?)
Root simple bassline
kick hat snare hat kick hat snare hat beat (Four to the floor kick pattern - a kick on every beat)
occassional riser crash and so on

actually ill jus j0oin your vc

[hard zealot]

My only knowledge of house music is from bishu ❤️❤️

[ashen ginkgo]

house part is not done, but i do want thoughts tho :D

i need thoughts on the other part too

also that transition is HEAVILY WIP

[somber dove]

blueprint
materials
foundation

happy building!

[ashen ginkgo]

haha very funny

my house sounds corrupted pls hel[

[north hull]

im not really feelin this but its cool

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot yo

Both of our songs ended up in a playlist of tom fulp's favourites of december

[lavish nest]

insane

[hard zealot]

Iknow dawg

I be flexing it LOL

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[ashen ginkgo]

Bro I just found an extremely cool detail in dimrain47's song operation evolution

https://youtu.be/sCw1VLOERyE?t=278&si=oEowFhZJed5zaH4V

So basically, at this part, the guitar plays a melody, and in the background of the next phrase of the guitar melody, a softer synth, like the one from surface plays the exact same melody

This is called a call and response

It's barely hearable probably due to poor mixing but it genuinely makes that part more climactic

Call and responses should be done more in electronic music ngl

They're really fun to do

And play, since my current piece in marching band has alot of call and response

Upon further listening, both the softer synth and the guitar play together at first

And the synth just repeats the melody while the guitar resolves it

Really cool

[little gull]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxBLk03K17uvhkVvfZdlxRHSl8GaiVTqAW?si=RygFi0qDdcRtjwSh

[violet fern]

https://soundcloud.com/wearesilkenwood/starseekerz-celeztial-voyage-11

[somber dove]

fire

[hard zealot]

What is this style of art called

[barren laurel]

Ominous Bass

[hard zealot]

rate

[north hull]

ITS GIVING

ITS GIVING STREAM PALLETTE

YESSSSSS

[north hull]

that damn background vocal ahh sound effect

[hard zealot]

HAHHAHAHA

"Ahhh"

[ashen ginkgo]

i love the james bond/mission impossible feel of uneasiness you created from 0:20 - 0:45

could have been resolved better before it moves to the next ballad like section

ok the piano at 2:20 lowkey comes out of nowhere

What I would have done is temporarily bring back the uneasiness feeling from 0:20 with some instruments playing higher notes

[wind temple]

yeah because thats supposed to be the solo section

[ashen ginkgo]

ic

[wind temple]

that part where the piano is playing realistically would just be improvised but for the sake of the task i had to actually write something down

[ashen ginkgo]

In general, the song lacks cohesion

there isnt any consistent motif or feel to pin it down

i mean idk if it's because of the sake of the assignment

but yea

[lavish nest]

no fking way this is your first composition

[lavish nest]

also what in the false information 😭

inverse every critique u gave is very wrong im sorry

[ashen ginkgo]

sorry i suck at music lol

[lavish nest]

this is insane

if u had better sound font access this wouldve been mental

the main issue are all production things, the composition elements are amazing

[lavish nest]

how long did u spend on this

[ashen ginkgo]

^

[wind temple]

2 months?

more?? i dont remember

[lavish nest]

sounds about right, great work

[wind temple]

holy shit thank you 😭

[lavish nest]

the piano solo is peak i love solos lmfao

it also does sound very improv

serves as a great reminder to why learning music theory is important

[wind temple]

also the name was a last second addition so i just referenced sbr cause i was inspired by jjba's music

[lavish nest]

yeah i can hear it

the chords are very jojo inspired

[ashen ginkgo]

What arts institution are u studying in to get a b

[wind temple]

also i just realised that i may have subconsciously taken inspiration from nighttheater

[ashen ginkgo]

this would have been a

[wind temple]

it was just a regular high school

[ashen ginkgo]

damn who go the A

[wind temple]

im ranked against everyone in my state

[lavish nest]

A tends to be stuff that thinks outside the box

[wind temple]

no theres def a lot of talented mfs out there for sure

[lavish nest]

fish did a really good composition that stuck to its theme

my feedback on what to improve would be experimentation

fusing stuff trying creative techniques or effects

[ashen ginkgo]

i think i just got too hooked on that one part that the next part gave me whiplash idk

[lavish nest]

what seperates a good composition from an amazing one is it's ability to do something new and keep u engaged

[ashen ginkgo]

take every thought i have with a grain of salt cuz i have little to no music education

[ashen ginkgo]

i see

for a first composition it's amazing tho

my first composition fuckin sucked because i didnt know what i was doing

(i still have little to no idea on what im doing except scales and keys and chords)

[wind temple]

okay so technically this is my second composition, my first one was something i made when i was 12

but it's basically. my first cause i didnt compose anything after that until last year

[ashen ginkgo]

u should do composition more

[wind temple]

i am planning to pursue it

[ashen ginkgo]

goodluck

[wind temple]

however im doing a business and IT double degree first and depending on how i feel later this year, i either switch to my dream composition course in 2027 or after i finish the degree

[wind temple]

ty vro 💜 are you planning to pursue music

[ashen ginkgo]

idk atp

there are so MANY options for me since im a jack of all trades basically

so im just planning to get a raw 10 for o levels and see what to do from there

[wind temple]

btw forgot to respond to this but ill def keep this in mind
ive been working on remixing a deltarune song in ableton but progress is slow cause im figuring out how everything works so i might ask you for help from time to time if thats okay lmao

[ashen ginkgo]

might do LASALLE idk

[wind temple]

honestly thats goated asf

[lavish nest]

ofc

dm me

[wind temple]

cause for me i genuinely dont know what the fuck id be doing without music; its not like im the goat at IT or anything

[lavish nest]

im currently stuck in an annoying spot of music skill

[wind temple]

thank you bro i appreciate it

[lavish nest]

🙏

[lavish nest]

i cant laern from youtube videos anymore and idk where to learn so thats why ive been gaining connections

like im trying to laern hi tech and youtube videos teach me nothing

[wind temple]

oh yeah i need to get an actual paid subscription for ableton cause im just using the lite version right now

[lavish nest]

ah

i remember using lite

also ableton is one time

just when there is a huge update

[wind temple]

wait deadass

[lavish nest]

yeah

i am NOT

paying

500 quid

over and over

[wind temple]

https://klipy.com/gifs/me-and-bro-celebrating

I GENUINELY THOUGHT IT WAS A SUBSCRIPTION

[lavish nest]

LOL

[wind temple]

im assuming most people would js pick standard

[lavish nest]

yeah

[wind temple]

yeah i think im gonna do as much as i can with lite first so i just have proof to my parents that ill actually make good use of it

actually so that i can prove to MYSELF that i wont just sit around and not use the software

[ashen ginkgo]

for me it's the opposite, my obsession with random stuff got me here.

Back in primary school, I was very interested in taking biology with some passion and experience in robotics and coding.

In secondary school, I ended not getting into robotics club due to me missing the trial cuz my grandma died. After that, I joined the school's revered marching band with 0 musical experience whatsoever, and then I realised 'what the fuck, I like doing this???' and then I went down the rabbit hole of DAWs and everything and my interests pretty much inverted, since I also decided to choose physics instead of biology when I chose my subjects for O levels

[lavish nest]

real
this is why ima start streaming ableton

i need to be

more focused

[wind temple]

you have some good options lowk

[ashen ginkgo]

SO many things had to line up perfectly for this, my grandma dying, the school band somehow accepting me, my music teacher teaching DAWs one day (which wasnt part of syllabus btw)

[wind temple]

as for me uhhhhhh im like lowkey ass at everything except music im just thankful australia is so lenient and flexible with tertiary education

[ashen ginkgo]

i wish i got into music earlier

[wind temple]

how many years do you have left before you graduate

[ashen ginkgo]

who knows what would have happened if i ended up doing music when i was 7

i would have become god in music

[ashen ginkgo]

this year is my final year

[wind temple]

shit bro wishing you the best

enjoy it as much as you can though at the same time

[lavish nest]

btw how old are u fish

[ashen ginkgo]

too many options, got LASALLE, got all the poly courses and JC

[wind temple]

18

turn 19 this year

[ashen ginkgo]

wait high school is for 18 yos in america

oh ok

[lavish nest]

alr i can show u what i did for my finals

give me a min

[ashen ginkgo]

not enjoying it at all.

preparing for 2 performances, crap ton of hw, my subjects being really hard cuz im one of the smart people and went for all the academically rigorous subjects

[wind temple]

thats why im saying you should try to make it as enjoyable as possible

[ashen ginkgo]

i still have a big one coming up 😭😭 and then Os

[wind temple]

because otherwise you'll end up in a mess by the end due to the stress

like lowkey whenever you get the chance just relax

[lavish nest]

uh this got like just just jus under max marks cuz i didnt follow the brief as tightly as i shouldve

but
you will hear what i mean with experimentation

[wind temple]

i remember you sending this a while ago

[ashen ginkgo]

i relax by music or just playing games

but yea, fuckin hell it's really packed

[wind temple]

yeah make sure you have enough time to do stuff like this

[ashen ginkgo]

chemistry, geography, physics and english hw is making that impossible for me

I STILL HAVE HW

after this all ends, im just gonna go get an actual music theory class or piano class

i wanna know more so i can do better

and help others because currently, i can do stuff myself, but for ppl wanting to try music, i cant help because I dont have the skills required really

[hard zealot]

PLEASSSEE get musesounds bro

😭😭😭💔💔

[hard zealot]

When it comes to learning a genre I tend to just imitate what I hear rather than relying on yt tutorials

[hard zealot]

Does the trumpet have any time to breath... ???????

I like the first section with the james bond feel inversed was talking abt, also the part with the trumpet with the drums doing ride was amazing

I liked the change to a ballad as well, I think it fits really nicely without being too out of place, though the move to the ballad should be done better rather than silence for a bit ngl

The repeat should honestly have some more changes in melody, also for the solo part the piano should be playing some chords too rather than just the right hand doing stuff, but the solo is nice overall, i like how the ensemble starts playing along with the piano, it reminds me a lot of big band solos which I assume is the feel you're trying to get

Another thing, this oddly enough really reminds me of PvZ

Overall i like it! Please get musesounds bro, it's free 😭😭

Can i see the score btw? I wanna look through it and see how it sounds through musesounds

Also there's barely any bass btw 😭

Well, there is, it's just barely hearable

[hard zealot]

Anyway, i lowkey feel like my recent made music is starting to sound outdated bro

Compare ts with like, symphony of khronos 😭😭😭

The quality difference LOL

[wind temple]

forgot about this

[wind temple]

youre right about the piano solo lowkey i couldnt be bothered to put the left hand in cause i was trying to test it out myself and im rusty asf

trumpet part is pretty taxing but i specifically pushed it to a point at which i would be comfortable with anyway so its prolly fine, unless youre saying that the trumpet simply has too much presence

so uhhhh thanks! ill upload the score soon since you wanted to look at it

hopefully that should work

[lavish nest]

music doodle

[lavish nest]

music doodled more

[north hull]

current progress (i still have no idea what i want to call this)

also how do the vocal chops sound @0:23? i just thought they would be cool to have

[ashen ginkgo]

Might have a six min retro Breakcore song coming up

I have some cool ideas

[lavish nest]

you better finish that drop
its cooking so hard tho keep going, vocal chops sound great

[ashen ginkgo]

hi @hard zealot

[hard zealot]

First off

The chords at the start are really weird because the roots of the chord kinda clash with other notes because of how low it is

[hard zealot]

The 2nd chord sounds like the root is supposed to move up, but it doesn't

The outcome = muddy dissonance that don't really sound good

I reccomend keep roots and fifths in lower ranges (or omit the fifths if you want), then have thirds and extensions in an octave higher

Are you writing with horns?

I don't know if you're using musescore or some vst but please give the poor horns time to breath...

[ashen ginkgo]

sf2

[hard zealot]

I tend to notice the horns seem to be focused on this low warm tone without letting it explore further into more brighter sounds

For the start, having it fairly warm in texture is good, but when the music builds up try to have brighter textures from the horns

To have a more fuller sound, and also to make it less cluttered on the lower ends

[ashen ginkgo]

brighter texture means..?

[hard zealot]

Notes in higher octaves

Rather than having them all in the same octave which makes the horns clash against eachother when it comes to sound

In lower octaves, always avoid making chords there

Because the sound will clash and it'll sound muddy

[ashen ginkgo]

oh ok

ok i made this song months ago when i was in my awkward power chord spam phase so this is the chord prog

[hard zealot]

Usually root and fifth goes to C3/C4 (depending on instrument)

[ashen ginkgo]

the brass notes just serve as bass

[hard zealot]

Is that all of it?

Because I swear i hear F on the 2nd measure

[ashen ginkgo]

this is later on (when I picked it up today)

[ashen ginkgo]

what's a measure again

is it a repitition or bar

[hard zealot]

Bar

[hard zealot]

The G# shouldn't be in that octave range, make it an octave higher or substitute it with another note

Having the low notes be close like that makes the sound muddy

[ashen ginkgo]

oh my god wait it sounds much livelier now

[hard zealot]

The C4 and F4 on the 5th measure should just be whole note

The F4 and C4 clashes with the C# and G#

I need to sleep

I'm off to bed, goodnight

Let's just continue this tomorrow or when I wake up at 12 am for my meds

[ashen ginkgo]

k

[hard zealot]

Nvm i forgot to wake up for my meds

I'll just explain further when i get home

[north hull]

current drop state until i figure out how i wanna play this out

[lavish nest]

where do u get your basses

or how do u make them sound that gritty

[north hull]

vital fm osc + inharmonic stretch + distortion + ott

[north hull]

rhyx my goat

[wind temple]

Thank You Ivy.

[lavish nest]

Didn't know rhyx was chill like that

[little gull]

roer is actually a pretty insane guy

village of chrysanthemum sounds like 4-5 yr old camellia

https://youtu.be/z-2icGNv9FA?si=tF3V9mcSFJezOjt9

[north hull]

roer makes great music

[hard zealot]

What does this mean

[little gull]

camellia level composing from 4-5 years ago

[somber dove]

would make for a fire darksynth or ebm track

[flat sun]

https://soundcloud.com/devadelso/crimson-horizon

[north hull]

thine progress

[north hull]

actually got rid of that lead bit and replaced it with smth else

[barren laurel]

how did you even find this 😨

[lavish nest]

still working on mixing but its cooking!

[hard zealot]

Didn't you work on this on stream

[lavish nest]

yah

[somber dove]

melodrumstep/d&b ftw

[somber dove]

https://tenor.com/view/amalamcrae-gif-22767990

[ashen ginkgo]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/370837
@lavish nest @hard zealot what the hell is the rhythm for the bassline that kicks in at 0:28

i figured out the song is 180 bpm but like the bassline is like throwing me off

[little gull]

https://youtu.be/7Ta-8JcczKw?si=UNiVtPlYhOYXyfZd

I sent it in general on accident

[north hull]

ughh i wanna make more interesting melodies but im so bad at that kind of thinggg

[little gull]

Ts killing mehttps://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8w5z3pIIRfFyEkkKA-a1l1d4FbhYqkqo?si=rSzGF7wtvesvwu8s

Idek how to feel about this lol like it's defo unique

[molten saffron]

LOL

it kinda works

[north hull]

nuclear bomb kick

i can hear the vocodex on one of those basses

[lavish nest]

It's jus down to listening and learning then trial and error, melodies take time

[north hull]

sound layering practice

[little gull]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxOMrF2lKOQPzV0pKtsUw1RD6WCu8WQ2XG?si=K0Hf4-97v9Te5yog

the psyqui thing

defo mastered minimalism

[flat sun]

Synthwave

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot is there such a thing as multiple basslines

[hard zealot]

Wdym

[livid parrot]

like multiple instruments that are used for bass being played at the same time as a bassline

[hard zealot]

Layering bass? Yeah

[livid parrot]

agh oky okay i see

[ashen ginkgo]

Hey so uh life caught up

Just some updates

My laptop died (again), not really upset about it, and I haven't really touched a DAW in like weeks at this point

But, a break is about to come up for me so I will see what I can do

Hopefully I can finish some stuff

[lavish nest]

ripp

chat i am cooking so hard rn

pls give feedback 🙏

THIS ROUND WILL GET RED HOT

NOW GO 🗣️ 🔥

[north hull]

i need to get good at intros to songs

and get a better piano vst

[north hull]

hm dunno where i wanna take this

[barren laurel]

the drums are quite nice

[wind temple]

fuck dude my older wip stuff was hot ass

bro ALL OF IT sucks i dont even know how to improve ts 😭 😭 i just want to use musescore for some of this but i gotta actually figure out how to use ableton

[north hull]

ts so ass

[little gull]

rhyx has a disperser

now

[north hull]

i saw

i havent gotten it yet but i dont have any disperser plugins so im def gonna get it

[north hull]

oh wait its not rhyx's its sout's

[flat sun]

something

[wind temple]

@hard zealot thank you for recommending musesounds

VERY wip so feedback while appreciated is sorta redundant cause there's still so much left to do even in this section alone

just wanted to give a sneak peek at what ive started making 👁️

[hard zealot]

OOO

musesounds make this sound so much BETTERR

THATT VIOLLINN

HOLYYYY

can i see the score

[lavish nest]

its cooking

[wind temple]

yessir

oh yeah its slightly updated from the recording

i switched the violin part to viola so i can have the violin play an octave higher in unison towards the end of this part

cause it sounds cool and shi

[hard zealot]

unison 🗣️

[wind temple]

YOU GET IT

‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[hard zealot]

w h y ' s t h e r e s o m u c h s t a c c a t o

[hard zealot]

unis. is used in orchestra to thicken the sound iirc

[wind temple]

i wanted it to sound properly detached and like

[hard zealot]

either layered in octaves or yk

[wind temple]

yeah

[hard zealot]

div. 🤑 is personally my favorite

@wind temple have this

here's the continuation of it, listen after you've listened to the mp3

[wind temple]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fewww

[hard zealot]

yeah LMAO

its latin jazz so it's gonna sound very whiplash-y

but then the continuation is straight of eastern theory jazz

[wind temple]

oh i thought it was literally caravan

[wind temple]

brooo this is so GOOD 😍

[lavish nest]

What's wrong with staccato

If you don't like staccato I will find the nearest weapon

[ashen ginkgo]

I wish I had the music theory knowledge to do jazz

[ashen ginkgo]

Also this is fire dude

[hard zealot]

Its the dots that bugging me

surely theres a way to notate the staccato better

[wind temple]

i think there is i just couldnt be bothered to do it

ill figure out how to do it later

[pure valley]

from an old song

[livid parrot]

@ashen ginkgo WHY IS IT NEGATIVE 😭

[north hull]

hmmmmm

[hard zealot]

was the jorn cooking

[north hull]

sounds like stream music

[hard zealot]

drums

[north hull]

definitely reminds me of a stream palette song

[hard zealot]

its based off an anime i watched

so i leaned in on the jpop sound more

[north hull]

ah i can hear what you mean

[hard zealot]

~~its based off happy sugar life if you know what that is 🤑 ~~

[livid parrot]

HAPPY SUGAR LIFE

EEEEE

[hard zealot]

OMG

I FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE

WHO KNOWS HAPPY SGUAR LIFE

LETS FUCKING

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[livid parrot]

its been a while since ive watched it

mightve forgotten some stuff

but yeah i loved it

[hard zealot]

my ahh making a song based off HSL bru

[livid parrot]

guiltily, the death scenes were the most memorable to me.,

ima go rewatch it

[hard zealot]

true

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-gif-20934065

[livid parrot]

also if you dont mind,, listening to something i made recently...

also now that im watching the intro

yeah i can see the drums 😂

[hard zealot]

the drums and one of the melodies

REALLY minor change here

[hard zealot]

ooh i like that use of the notes here

[livid parrot]

✨

[hard zealot]

i noticed you're getting better at sounds and stuff

i think you're building an ear for music, ~~its time you learn music theory ~~

[livid parrot]

i low kirkenuinly just locked in

[livid parrot]

NOOOOBNONO I DONW ANANANAA

[hard zealot]

i'm kidding, you don't have to learn music theory, just build an ear for music and shite

for me i really had to learn music theory

i'm a jazz musician and composer wtf am i gonnd do

[livid parrot]

i thought therr werent any wrong notes in jazz or something

i forgort

[hard zealot]

yes there aren't any wrong notes in jazz

BUT, you'd still have to learn theory to at least understand what you're doing

theory helps me understand what i'm doing, theory helps me make something coherent without it sounding like a try-hard jazz mess

if anything knowing what chords are and what not is already learning theory

the theory i'm mentioning here is more advanced shit that not everyone's gonna need

just stick to learning the fundamentals which you are learning naturally just by listening and making music

[livid parrot]

if chords is all i need then hell yeah

cause um

its like an ancient language to me

what is maj7f8ashjr

[hard zealot]

major, the chord is happy, 7, the chord has the 7th in the scale which is an extension

so the chord is made up of the notes 1, 3, 5, 7

not really in the scale of the key but like

if you go up the chord you'll get extensions

[livid parrot]

yeah i kinddd of get that thing

the keys in an octave right....??

oh ok so wait

@hard zealot so theres chords like Gmaj3 or something right.?? what would the g mean

does the first note start on the g and then the 3rd note be like

3 semitones up??

[hard zealot]

no

G means the root note, since the keys on a keyboard are CDEFGABC

extensions like Gmaj3, or Gmaj5 don't exist at all

because 1, 3, 5 already exist within the chord

[hard zealot]

yes third note starts on G

i meant fisrt

yeah first note starts on G, we call it the root

[livid parrot]

so the number after the scale just means what key it is on the octave?

[hard zealot]

let me explain ts better

if we want to get a C major chord we'd want to get the notes C-E-G

in the keyboard we can see that C is 1, E is 3, G is 5

the first note is C, which makes it our root
the second note is E, which is usually what tells us when a chord is major or minor
the third is G

now in the keyboard theres CDEFGAB

it can also be seen as
CDEFGAB
1 2 3456 7

so we take 1, which is C, we take 3, which is E, and we take 5 which is G

the numbers usually mean which key in the scalae

scale*

do note that all the chords are made up of odd numbers

thats why extensions are listed as maj7, or maj9

[livid parrot]

im kinda following

[hard zealot]

now if we look here in the keyboard, you'll see

1234567 - 1234567

but if we were to write a maj11 chord

1234567 - 1**2(9)34(11)**567

notice how 2 also becomes 9 and 4 becomes 11?

9 and 11 are the same as 2 and 4

[livid parrot]

ooh ok i see

[hard zealot]

the notes here would be C-E-G-B-D-F

the reason why it goes higher rather than becomes Gmaj2 is because an extension means that it goes up rather than goes down

A Gmaj2 chord (1-2-5) is just a Gsus2, where the 3rd is moved down a step into 2

now a Gmaj9 chord (still the same thing but 2 is an octave higher) would become 1-3-5-7-9

that's why they're called extensions, they extend the chord rather than move the 3rd around

[hard zealot]

A Gmaj4 chord (1-4-5) is just a Gsus4, where the 3rd is moved up a step into 4

A Gmaj11 chord is the same thing, as the 11th is the 4th but an octave higher

it'd become 1-3-5-7-9-11

chords like Gmaj6 CAN exist

the notes would just be 1-3-5-6

chords like Gmaj7b5 is just 1-3-b5-7

a normal 7th extension chord but the 5th of the chord is lowered by a half step

also called lowered fifth

[hard zealot]

chords like G7sus4 is just 1-4-5-b7

Dominant 7th chords are different from major 7 chords btw

Dominant 7th is usually the 7th but lowered

lowered by a half step

[hard zealot]

now if you want to be fancy and want to have the 2nd as well as the 3rd

(1-2-3-5-7)

you'd have to write it as Gmaj7add2

the reason why it's add2 is because you're adding the 2nd

"add#" also works for any extension as well

if i were to write Gmaj7add11 it indicates that I should add the 11th, but not the 9th

the notes would be 1-3-5-7-11

[livid parrot]

uhh

in like

g chords

this is what his called rite>>?

is 1 still c?

cause thats something im confused on

[hard zealot]

the root note depends on whatever note you set it as

you could have your root note as G, as C or as any note

depending on your root note, where the numbers are will change

if my root note was G, this would be the keys i can mess aroudn with

the 7th is on Gb/F# because the notes of the G major scale is G-A-B-C-D-E-F#

[livid parrot]

huhm

for what reason is it f#..

in the g major scale

[hard zealot]

notation shit

basically, you can only use a letter ONCE

thats why its F# instead of Gb, because G is already used here

Gb and F# are the same note btw

[livid parrot]

yeah i know that

[hard zealot]

Gb is used because that'd mean theres two different Gs, and F would just be left out

[livid parrot]

but what about the actual f

[hard zealot]

wdym

[hard zealot]

it won't actually be the note F, but the letter would be F

hence F#

the reason for F# is because of readability for people who perform

basically a ton of notation shit that i honestly don't gaf 😭

[livid parrot]

im so confused 😭

caus like

a is a whole step from g

[hard zealot]

uh huh

[livid parrot]

b is a step from a

[hard zealot]

half step

wait

yeah B is a whole step from A

[livid parrot]

but then c is a half step from b

[hard zealot]

uh huh

[livid parrot]

c > d whole step

d > e whole step

[hard zealot]

mhm

[livid parrot]

e > f# whole step

[hard zealot]

so you're asking

?

[livid parrot]

idk i think im math brained cause i thought itd follow a pattern and such

[hard zealot]

it does follow a pattern

the formula for a major scale is WHOLE WHOLE HALF WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE HALF

WWHWWWH

[livid parrot]

ahhhhh

ookay

ok ok ok

[hard zealot]

basically you shift that around for major scales

[livid parrot]

that makes things a lot clearer

[hard zealot]

minor scale has a different pattern too

WHWWHWW

i honestly think its better you search up a video or tutorial rather than learn from me

i kinda learned in my own way and i'm not that good of an explainer either

😭

[livid parrot]

so an Amaj thing would be like thiss?

[hard zealot]

yes!

thats the a maj scale

[hard zealot]

if you remove B, D, and F# you get Amaj7

[hard zealot]

you did it wrong wait

the last note (7) is supposed to be G#

because WWHWWWH

[livid parrot]

a

well i think that was pretty productive for me

I Learned Something New!

@hard zealot thanks my snot friend

[hard zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-mama-jokes-xbox-live-meme-yo-mama-gif-25152629

[hard zealot]

you should try making a melody using scales

tmr i'll try teaching you how to make a good melody, jazz style 🤑

[livid parrot]

i forgot all about scales i literally just free-ear it

[hard zealot]

-# not like full blown jazz melodies and shit just the spacing, rhythm and the overall story

a lesson i was taught while being taught jazz was that solos and melodies shouldn't always be adhd or whatever the fuck

they always need some time to breathe, they always need something to hold on to that HITS

melodies need story, they shouldn't just be random

[hard zealot]

this applies to jazz, but not to free jazz btw

since free jazz doesn't conform to those rules

[livid parrot]

i should probably read a book about music or something

[hard zealot]

i never really read a book

have i sent this here lah

[livid parrot]

i have to read a certain amount of books for grades

[hard zealot]

oh damn

[livid parrot]

i dont go here often so i low kirkenuinely dont know

[hard zealot]

lowkirkflowstate

https://tenor.com/view/cuz-we-lit-cuzwelit-whyareweonfire-why-are-we-on-fire-fire-gif-11338068621341218629

[livid parrot]

i dont care though cause im literally below 50% of whats required 😂

[livid parrot]

this reminds me of those fun videos id watch pre covid

so fun and whimsical

like yes

fill my ears with those

fun fun fun copyright free music

Spring In My Step!

[hard zealot]

i genuinely listened to candyland by tobu today

like, actually banged my head to it

[livid parrot]

omg this one

spiderman hero tycoonb

what if i borrow the melody from this thing for an actual song

i love borrowing melodies from music i like

[hard zealot]

me too lah

i love making references

[livid parrot]

guess what movie i borrowed this from

ok wait im gonna go watch layla's pemiere

[hard zealot]

i dunno

[livid parrot]

inside out

[wind temple]

bro i forgot about grain district i need to work on that today

hopefully ill have progress TWO (2) to show by the end of today 🗣

[hard zealot]

en you lowkey wanna make a song but you can't write in japanee

[flat sun]

how do I happy hardcore

[north hull]

happy hardcore is weird for me to do properly cause doing a song in 90% major chords feels weird

[north hull]

wouldnt this be happy dnb

[flat sun]

idk

I mean the drop in 1:16 sounds like it to me idk,
I'm not good with genres xd

[north hull]

the lead at the end is so buns idk what i wanna fit there

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot @livid parrot @lavish nest

We got a new guy here, one of my irl friends who decided to take up music prod too and I have no idea how to help cuz he has very specific problems I never had, and I'm also just a horrible teacher XD so uh yeah

Meet @fiery pasture

[ashen ginkgo]

I wanna learn jazz too

Probably after this year tho

[hard zealot]

jazz

it takes a bit to learn

i think jazz can be learned pretty well/smoothly if you're very well-educated on jazz standards and somewhat actively listen to them

because you'd be unconciously absorbing the harmonic language

[lavish nest]

Depends what type of jazz tho

Jazz is similar to "electronic music" in the way that it's not as simple as learning jazz

Id say the first thing u wanna do is figure out wdym by learn jazz
Jazz harmony
Or jazz instrumentation
Jazz melodies
Or jazz genres

So on

[hard zealot]

i think what inverse means is jazz harmony

though that's still a general assumption, its still up to him what he wanna learns lol

if yous need help on jazz harmony, melodies or instrumentation just hit me up

🤑

next school year i'm being taught proper jazz theory too 🤑

[ashen ginkgo]

Just playing jazz lor, I play the trombone and it's very common in jazz

Composing jazz would probably take a while since it's a very music theory dependent genre

At least it looks like it

[fiery pasture]

jazz

also hi guys i hope i dont make a bad impression

i kinda know what to do just that i want some new thoughts

[ashen ginkgo]

DW

We all started from somewhere

[fiery pasture]

:DDD

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot respond or you're gay

Wait you're already gay

Respond if you're a wonderful TRIA employee

And I may slip in a message to our higher ups for a promotion

[livid parrot]

ohwo fhats nice

[fiery pasture]

piss beam

[flat sun]

why do all my projects have to look like this lellel