Emberpelts - New faction! | Timberborn | Page 6

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 4:55 PM

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Updates released

Updated for Experimental version 0.7.2.0```

```Emberpelts:
Changed Mine Recipes to use 1 Brick for normal and 1 Brick 2 Extract for Efficient.
Edited Attraction wellbeing gain to match Vanilla changes.```

```Bobingabout Beaver Faction Split Needs:
Updated for Experimental version 0.7.2.0```

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Also released a new U7 version of 2 of my maps on steam.

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I think he just wants to have multiple flags in a single building... plus give them a carry capacity boost.

I mean, you chop down an oak, and the beavers spend most of the time running back and forth with logs.

brazen herald Apr 2, 2025, 4:57 PM

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I guess it's like Whitepaws' Woodfelling Planification Lodge

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For Emberpelts I would expect the beavers/bots to be equipped with chainsaws for that sort of building 😆

lilac maple Apr 2, 2025, 5:01 PM

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brazen herald For Emberpelts I would expect the beavers/bots to be equipped with chainsaws for...

+1 for beaver with chainsaw. 😋

shrewd latch Apr 2, 2025, 5:06 PM

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brazen herald For Emberpelts I would expect the beavers/bots to be equipped with chainsaws for...

Consumes biofuel to boost lumber production?
Not sure if that would create a feedback loop, though…

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 5:36 PM

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so yeah, I haven't done extensive testing of my mods with U7.2 yet, so if you have any issues, let me know.

I only updated Script pack, Split Needs and Emberpelts, so those 3 should be fine.

spiral trout Apr 2, 2025, 6:35 PM

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No changes necessary to the breeding mods?

mild lava Apr 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

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It pops up with "Uncaught Exception Occured" before the error screen.

@stray dragon

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📎 error-report-2025-04-02-17h45m54s.zip

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 9:50 PM

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The actual error is...

Parameter name: index
  at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) [0x00009] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0 
  at Timberborn.Common.ReadOnlyList`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) [0x00000] in <614a70f7b4934863af1d50833d73962a>:0 
  at Timberborn.Common.RandomNumberGenerator.GetListElement[T] (System.Collections.Generic.IReadOnlyList`1[T] list) [0x0000e] in <614a70f7b4934863af1d50833d73962a>:0 
  at Timberborn.NeedApplication.WorkshopRandomNeedApplier.TryApplyRandomNeedToWorker (Timberborn.WorkSystem.Worker worker) [0x0000c] in <ffc187d43f224c4eb648046ce2fe9733>:0 
  at Timberborn.NeedApplication.WorkshopRandomNeedApplier.TryApplyNeeds () [0x0003e] in <ffc187d43f224c4eb648046ce2fe9733>:0

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Worker random need applier: IE, when someone gets hurt in a factory.

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I see you have Dirt mod, did Dirt update?

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it could be other things, but AFAIK, the only 2 mods in there that change workshops is Emberpelts and Dirt.

mild lava Apr 2, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Im not entirely sure, but after you updated your script pack, I went through and relaunched over and over, adding one mod at a time. If I made it to the main menu, I assumed it was working. Dirt wasnt dependant on TimberAPI or Harmony, and when selected allowed me to load into the main menu. I hadnt tried loading the game without it yet. Ill do that now

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 9:55 PM

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I'll try loading your game here too, without dirt, and see what happens.

weak monolith Apr 2, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Dirt is working, not need to update.

mild lava Apr 2, 2025, 9:57 PM

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About 30 seconds in and it seems to be working without Dirt. I hadnt thought about loading it without because I had assets from the mod places in the world. Wasnt sure if it would corrupt anything

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It does mean Ill have to rebuild some bridges and stairs, but its worth it to be able to continue my save. Thank you so much for your help

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 9:59 PM

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weak monolith Dirt is working, not need to update.

Shouldn't, I agree. but it might be possible that if you just rebuild and release, it might fix some issue you didn't know you had.

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with the new DLLs of course.

weak monolith Apr 2, 2025, 10:02 PM

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will see what will do, some strange stuffs happen with the game. But, now is time to sleep 🛌 GN.

stray dragon Apr 2, 2025, 10:02 PM

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weak monolith will see what will do, some strange stuffs happen with the game. But, now is tim...

Yeah, I'll have to go sleep soon too.

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rest well

cloud scaffold Apr 3, 2025, 8:32 PM

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It appears today's experimental update broke Emberpelts again

weak monolith Apr 3, 2025, 8:39 PM

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cloud scaffold It appears today's experimental update broke Emberpelts again

Just loaded an Emberpelts save and is working flawless. Try to check the integrity of game files, to ensure that you have all the mods updated.

worn tusk Apr 3, 2025, 9:04 PM

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cloud scaffold It appears today's experimental update broke Emberpelts again

can you drop a log file

cloud scaffold Apr 3, 2025, 9:12 PM

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verifying game files got the job done, but it's super weird that this has happened to me two days in a row (yesterday was vanilla beavers)

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I NEVER had to manually check on each mod's update status before this

weak monolith Apr 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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It's a tricky update. Some mods works without any changes, others don't.

shrewd latch Apr 3, 2025, 9:14 PM

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cloud scaffold I NEVER had to manually check on each mod's update status before this

Check your download settings on Steam. They've changed the way they are configured in the last few months.

Personally, I just set everything to only update when I launch it.

worn tusk Apr 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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i set timberborn to high priority

weak monolith Apr 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Better way is to use the Steam Update Button mod

worn tusk Apr 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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loaded up a ember save with the latest emberpelt and script pack and loaded without issues

cloud scaffold Apr 3, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Yeah it's working now

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I used to have the Steam Update Button mod, but that broke a while back (ironically it didn't update)

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But at any rate my fire beavers are saved, thanks everyone

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 10:11 PM

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cloud scaffold verifying game files got the job done, but it's super weird that this has happen...

Unfortunately it happens. It's a steam issue, and it's pretty annoying.

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Glad you got it fixed, sorry I wasn't around at the time to help out.

weak monolith Apr 3, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Lucky was enough around to help someone who like Ebmberpelts so much 👍

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 10:13 PM

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I actually read through several logs posted in #🚀mod-users a couple hours ago too, at least 1 of those was this same issue.

mild lava Apr 3, 2025, 11:45 PM

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cloud scaffold It appears today's experimental update broke Emberpelts again

It was updated yesterday, you should only need to update the script pack. At least thats what I had to do

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Oh, nevermind, Discord just loaded all the rest of the messages. Nice one lol

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 11:51 PM

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There was another update today too, but it was just bug fixes.

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 11:52 PM

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mild lava It was updated yesterday, you should only need to update the script pack. At lea...

Script pack, Emberpelts main mod, and the one probably nobody is using, beaver faction split needs (for GB or EP with the food expansion)

mild lava Apr 3, 2025, 11:53 PM

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Oh, gotcha. I saw the update but didnt see any updates from the workshop. I assumed it wasnt necessary but maybe mine updated and didnt say so? I loaded my Emberpelt save just fine

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 11:54 PM

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On that note, I should give the charcoal beavers (the grey ones in Emberpelts) a proper name.

mild lava Apr 3, 2025, 11:54 PM

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This is how I found out you refer to them as charcoal beavers lol

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 11:55 PM

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The German translator added Ashpelts

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But they should probably have a better name. Something, bodypart. To fit the theme. White paw, Ember Pelt, Iron Teeth, Folk Tails.

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Repeating Pelt doesn't feel right.

mild lava Apr 3, 2025, 11:58 PM

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Going off the translator, Ash Paws?

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Well, cant really use paws again

stray dragon Apr 3, 2025, 11:59 PM

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We could, but I have another name in mind for another faction using paws, so I'd rather not.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Fair. Something with Fur maybe? I was going to say something-feet, but I guess that would still be paws in a way

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Fur could work, like Ash furs, buuut... its close to pelts.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Yeahhh. My girlfriend said claws, but again, close to paws

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Tough one

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It would be nice for it to be a body part, but if it werent, you could do Coal Walkers maybe

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:10 AM

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White paws are also known as the water beavers so the charcoal beavers don't have to have charcoal in their name.

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My Internet keeps dropping.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:12 AM

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That internets gotta be really fun, definitely been there a time or two. Thankfully I have fairly stable fibre now

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That is if a hurricane doesnt rip my town to shreds again lol 🤞

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:16 AM

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This is fibre. It's not usually like this.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Ah. Weird, maybe theyre working on the lines

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:17 AM

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I kinda want to release an almost clone of the Emberpelts for the charcoal beavers too.

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Playable charcoal faction.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:19 AM

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What would you change between them? if its an "almost" clone

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 12:26 AM

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stray dragon Glad you got it fixed, sorry I wasn't around at the time to help out.

You're totally fine, I will never levy expectations against someone volunteering their time and skills to do something fun for free

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:30 AM

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stray dragon Playable charcoal faction.

What about the blank Hides?

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:31 AM

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mild lava What would you change between them? if its an "almost" clone

Some different food recipes, maybe lacking beets. Some slightly different buildings. I want to do another set of decorations and attractions, but I'd need ideas.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Sounds interesting. Would you still wanna use the tubeways or swap over to ziplines?

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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A fair question. I'm not sure.

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I prefer the tubes personally.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 12:35 AM

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Ziplines would differentiate them from the Emberpelts more, but if their lore is a split off from the Emberpelts, tubes would make more sense. I can see advantages for both, but I agree, tubes are nicer. The main difference for me being they can build their tubeways from the inside, rather than reaching the new area first before having to build the station

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 12:46 AM

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Indeed

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Hate to be a bother but I'm getting some really frustrating game crashes when trying to build vertical terrain and incorporate overhangs in my Emberpelts playthrough (building the giant aqueduct thing). If it crashes a fifth time then I'm gonna hang it up for tonight but regardless I will forward you the logs to see if there's anything to be learned from what's happening

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It seems that any time I attempt to construct something underneath an existing overhang, the game crashes

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And I also have no way of knowing if this is just an emberpelts issue either, unfortunately

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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can you tunnel deep underneath trees?

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Haven't tried anything relating to tunneling with emberpelts yet

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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ahh well if you post up your log, i can take a look

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Is this the right file?

📎 2_Player_log_2025-04-03-22h12m35s.txt

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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yessir

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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Cool, I appreciate you taking a look

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Dust.BuildingAnimation.Bot.Folktails' was not present in the dictionary.

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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i'm going to replicate your mod list. not sure if bobing patched the ladder or how that works with his mod

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KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Dust.BuildingAnimation.Bot.Folktails' was not present in the dictionary. might have caused the crash

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so you may be right on your troubleshooting?

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:21 AM

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I had disabled the frog statue and a few others that weren't updated, all I'm using currently are the emberpelts mods and the dependencies thereof (harmony, ladders)

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Frog statue and, most of the "other" mods are, in fact, updated

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Oh?

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Well consider me thoroughly corrected then

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Stopping all root objects in active scene
Creating an exception game save
Unloading 5 Unused Serialized files (Serialized files now loaded: 4)
KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Dust.BuildingAnimation.Bot.Folktails' was not present in the dictionary.
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0 
  at Timberborn.ModelAttachmentSystem.ModelAttachmentService.GetModelAttachmentSpec (System.String id) [0x00000] in <d29dd180a4de41e799c2d0e8a3a3e215>:0 
  at Timberborn.ModelAttachmentSystem.ModelAttachments.GetOrCreateAttachment (System.String id) [0x00010] in <d29dd180a4de41e799c2d0e8a3a3e215>:0 
  at Timberborn.Particles.AnimationParticlesTrigger.CreateParticlesRunner () [0x0001e] in <30f4ba84669e43468b68c6fbc40da5c4>:0

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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I have had bad luck with mod updates this week 🤣

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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RKG put out a video with emberpelts tunnels, so he at least had enough stability for a recording

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meaning: there is a resolve for you today, probably

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:25 AM

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I think this may just be a weird edge case because of the specific type of vertical building I'm doing

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:25 AM

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BTW, former natural overhangs are in the game (stone overhangs) if you use the dirt mod (is working with Emberpelts)

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:26 AM

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- Bobingabout's Housing Optimize (v0.7.1.1)
- Harmony (v2.3.3)
- Ladder (v3.0.4)
- Tiny Tubeway Station (v0.7.1.3)
- Emberpelts (v0.7.2.0)
- Ladders for Emberpelts (v0.7.1.1)```

his running mods

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:26 AM

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It's 10:30pm here and everyone else in this house gets up at 5am for work, so I've run out of time to continue trying to record video tonight. But I am grateful for the help and I appreciate the opportunity to call out a potential issue

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All of those should be updated to the latest unless I have missed one

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:27 AM

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tobbert had to update his ladder, do you know if bobing's needed an update @weak monolith ?

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:28 AM

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are the latest. Bob need to check what is with bots animation

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:29 AM

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worn tusk tobbert had to update his ladder, do you know if bobing's needed an update <@436...

No, Bob ladder works like a tubeway, using different scripts from the script pack

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:30 AM

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i remember

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3 types of ladders then

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:39 AM

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I have further tested and the game crashes any time building anything relating to tubeways in emberpelts

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Underneath something else or not

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:42 AM

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So, it crashes when you try to build a tubeway right under an overhang ?

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:42 AM

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I just tested far away from any overhangs

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Crash the second a bot started interacting with the unbuilt segment

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:43 AM

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for beavers no crashes ?

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:43 AM

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Here is my save if anyone wants to mess with that

📎 Beaverburg_XXIIIu7_end26_-_Copy.timber

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:44 AM

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cloud scaffold Here is my save if anyone wants to mess with that

word, i'll load it up. i couldnt get a crash with the mods you had

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:44 AM

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I'll take a look, to help Bob to pinpoint where is the issue

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:44 AM

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teamwork fellas

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:46 AM

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weak monolith for beavers no crashes ?

Normal beavers don't crash the game

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It seems to just be the bots

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But I am continuing to test

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Well, to be more specific, a normal beaver built a normal 1-high wood platform from inside the tube just fine, and then a bot came along to try and build the next tube segment and then the game crashed

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 2:50 AM

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cloud scaffold But I am continuing to test

First, update script pack and Emberpelts, must have version 0.7.2.0

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:50 AM

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weak monolith First, update script pack and Emberpelts, must have version 0.7.2.0

I have updated them

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The save state window shows you what mods were used when that save was created

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That's my save file at the end of my video I posted monday, which was before the most recent Timberborn updates

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My game is crashing with the most updated versions of everything I have loaded

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:54 AM

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u7 has been the weirdest update

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 2:55 AM

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I mean, the devs have probably completely ripped apart the save file and the engine and duct taped it back together, i don't blame them.

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Water acted crazy before this - it's gonna keep acting even weirder now.

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:55 AM

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Additional possibly helpful details: my crashing tests involve trying to place an additional tubeway segment branching out from the root of a tubeway bridge (the one segment that automatically snaps to other segments without being removed and replaced)

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:55 AM

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mind giving me a direction to test in? not sure what you were building or where from where the camera last was

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nvm i slow

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:56 AM

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Actually, I can record a very quick video demonstrating what happens if you give me a moment

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:56 AM

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i got the time

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 2:56 AM

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I remember Bobingabout had a weird issue they were chasing that sounds exactly like this.

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I thought they fixed that, though???

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:57 AM

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runic glade Water acted crazy before this - it's gonna keep acting even weirder now.

i was going nuts opening one of the dev maps. water was doing this behavior, coming out of a a terrain block without any watersource nearby. so i dug apart the json map and i couldnt find anything. reloaded the map and didnt have that issue.

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 2:58 AM

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worn tusk i was going nuts opening one of the dev maps. water was doing this behavior, com...

I had an issue where water was treating barrier blocks as not there.

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 2:59 AM

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Here is video of the crash when bots try to build anything from a tubeway segment

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 2:59 AM

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i got a crash too

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:00 AM

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I'll send one more with only normal beavers as builders

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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mine created a massive memory leak over 12GB before i killed it

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:03 AM

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lol I can't get the bots to not interact with the items

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I changed all my builders huts and hauling posts to bio-beavers only, and the first idiot that interacted with the buildable items was a bot

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🤣

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Anyway, this is definitely a weird issue

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:04 AM

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i think it's a bot issue even if you got a beaver to build it

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Previously, I had been able to get a bio-beaver to build a normal 1-high platform from within a tube and that worked fine but it crashed the game when a tube segment was interacted with by a bot trying to build it

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I can no longer replicate this

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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ended with an uncaught exception

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:06 AM

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Oh so it's bots building anything

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And not even related to tubeways

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Fascinating

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(and hopefully a simpler issue to fix)

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:07 AM

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i'm looking in to the error with dust attachment missing. seems emberpelts uses folktails dust but something must've change with 0.7.2

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i think i found the problem, please hold

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 3:11 AM

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cloud scaffold Oh so it's bots building *anything*

Well, I switched all workers to beavers and, no crashes when building tubeways .

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 3:13 AM

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cloud scaffold Here is video of the crash when bots try to build anything from a tubeway segmen...

...You don't pretend to suck at the game, do you? You have a very nice voice and I have been meaning to watch some LPs again, lately.
But all the creators I used to watch have turned.... weird....

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:13 AM

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runic glade ...You don't pretend to suck at the game, do you? You have a very nice voice and...

I can assure you that any mistakes I make are actually me being dumb

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Every once in a while I'll get someone accusing me of faking errors, but if you watch enough of my videos then you can probably identify patterns that lead to dumb mistakes

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 3:15 AM

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All can make mistakes. You don't have luck since don't edit the video's (other youtubers for sure hide many mistakes)

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:18 AM

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i like mistakes

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makes ya look human

tight oyster Apr 4, 2025, 3:18 AM

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Perfection is absolutely boring after not long

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:20 AM

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weak monolith All can make mistakes. You don't have luck since don't edit the video's (other y...

I don't really like the whole "content creator" meta of parasociality and thus I try to just be as honest and transparent as possible, which is part of the reason I don't edit my videos to remove mistakes

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Just having fun playing beavers and talking to people in the comments

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 3:26 AM

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LoveFT

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We really need an Emberpelts verison of this emote....

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And Whitepaws too, while we're at it.

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:28 AM

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i think ModelAttachment.Dust.BuildingAnimation.Bot.Folktails.json became ModelAttachment.Dust.BuildingAnimation.json

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@stray dragon

runic glade Apr 4, 2025, 3:29 AM

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Hmm... I suppose if there's no difference in construction dust produced by either type of Builder, it would make sense to collapse the two into one....

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 3:30 AM

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So they removed the differentiated animations and made it into one for both the bots and the folktails? Im not going to pretend like I know modding or much coding beyond a few classes on MatLab ( PepeHands )

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:30 AM

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worn tusk i think `ModelAttachment.Dust.BuildingAnimation.Bot.Folktails.json` became `Mode...

Fantastic work

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(I say, knowing nothing about coding)

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But this would make sense

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:30 AM

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testing now, i can provide you with a hotfix if it works

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:30 AM

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The bot would be calling for an animation that no longer exists

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:31 AM

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worn tusk testing now, i can provide you with a hotfix if it works

I won't be able to actually record anything until tomorrow morning (~10-12 hours from now) so no need to rush anything

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 3:31 AM

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This almost makes me glad that I havent started bot production on my save yet lol

worn tusk Apr 4, 2025, 3:31 AM

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eh still proof of correction concept :p

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well i failed but i still think that's the right direction. definitely good idea to hold off on bots until bobing can take a look

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 3:37 AM

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Roger that. Bio beaver bullying it is

weak monolith Apr 4, 2025, 3:41 AM

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worn tusk well i failed but i still think that's the right direction. definitely good idea...

Must extract bot prefab from AssetBundles and change what is marked

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 3:47 AM

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Oh, not to add too much onto Bobing's plate, but I noticed earlier that in order to build dirt out from the edge, as per the new update, I first needed to build support structures underneath it. I couldnt place it otherwise, but once they had built it all, i could remove any 'scaffolding' and it would stay in place. I couldnt replicate what I saw on JC's Folktails video from yesterday (today?), where he drug a level of dirt overhanging over the air. (39:40 in his most recent video).

Im off to bed now as its almost midnight, but I can try and grab a recording of the problem tomorrow.

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:55 AM

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mild lava Oh, not to add too much onto Bobing's plate, but I noticed earlier that in order...

I also couldn't replicate this in emberpelts either

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Much to my confusion

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Although I haven't tried in Folktails since the fixes earlier today

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 6:11 AM

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cloud scaffold Although I haven't tried in Folktails since the fixes earlier today

It was giving me the same error yesterday (Apr 2nd) if I remember right, so I dont believe it was just today. Hopefully its an easy fix, and I did manage to get around it without any crashes. I just assume its not that way by design

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Well, I was asleep. But I have to work. And after work, my dad's house. Very long day, I hate it.

But in about 15 hours, I can look at doing a fix.

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But it looks like a simple bot update, and look at the terrain block.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 6:34 AM

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No worries about time frames, we just appreciate you taking time out your day to look at it. Been there though, on those long days, they're rough.

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 3:53 PM

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0.7.2.1 updated:

Updated Terrain block.
Fixed Bots crashing when building certain things.

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I've not had time to actually test anything, let me know if this works.

@cloud scaffold

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Hopefully your issue is fixed.

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 3:58 PM

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stray dragon I've not had time to actually test anything, let me know if this works. <@37510...

Seems to have taken care of the problem based on a quick test of my failure conditions last night

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THANK YOU for resolving the problem

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Seriously

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 4:25 PM

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You're welcome

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Thank you so much

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 6:04 PM

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cloud scaffold Seems to have taken care of the problem based on a quick test of my failure cond...

Were you able to test the terrain tool at all while you were testing the bots? I havent been able to try it out yet today

cloud scaffold Apr 4, 2025, 6:18 PM

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mild lava Were you able to test the terrain tool at all while you were testing the bots? I...

I did not, that will come later this weekend when I go to record the next episode of that series

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I did make a change to the terrain tool, there's a new option that says something like "Can be placed on the side of terrain", and I ticked the box.

I haven't tested it though

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Sounds to my untrained ears like it would work. Ill probably test it out later tonight and let y'all know

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 6:20 PM

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I didn't have time to test it, but in theory it should function however the new FT/IT version functions. I haven't tried that either.

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I should look into this when I get time.

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 8:52 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dead-x_x-dies-gif-24040993

Tenor

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This is how I feel now that I'm finally home.

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Also, I hate that was the most appropriate GIF I could find.

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or maybe I'm just too tired to search for a better one.

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Seems you can't build the terrain on the side of blocks still.

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as Emberpelts

raw night Apr 4, 2025, 9:17 PM

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if you're feeling like that you should probably go and rest before poking at bugs, you might miss something obvious by being too tired to notice it ^_^

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 9:26 PM

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I agree, definitely need some rest

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And I did find a workaround until you're feeling well enough to look further into it

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 9:34 PM

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raw night if you're feeling like that you should probably go and rest before poking at bug...

Yes. I did when I tried to fix it earlier, when I was home for only half an hour

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I've actually fixed it now.

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but I don't intend to spend any more time working on things today.

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or tomorrow.

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Game ain't crashing right now though, so, no urgency.

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huh, not sure if this is a new bug or not, but the tubeway bridges no longer light up when occupied.

raw night Apr 4, 2025, 9:50 PM

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interesting

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still, if the beavers aren't vanishing, not critical either

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Yeah, it's something I'll look into later.

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Anyway. Tunnels, when complete, basically just replace themselves with another block, a platform.

That means they can replace themselves with other things.

Ideas include double and triple platforms, sluice gate and the tubeway Levee.

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Someone did the sluice already, Todor I think.

mild lava Apr 4, 2025, 10:28 PM

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stray dragon Anyway. Tunnels, when complete, basically just replace themselves with another b...

Double and triple would be super handy for being able to place small storage tanks and such immediately. I was thinking about that the other day

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Or really anything that wouldnt fit under a single

stray dragon Apr 4, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Yeah

stray dragon Apr 5, 2025, 1:53 AM

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so the terrain block is fixed, but not released.
Tubeway bridges don't light up anymore, but I think I know why.
more concerning not lighting up is a symptom of a bigger issue... it's not classed as "Visitor", which means any beaver passing through probably also loses the speed buff.
On top of that, I think it's related to how the new tubeway system registers tubes, and it's setting the bridge to the tile below where it actually is... which means it's also breaking the link for any tube BELOW the bridge's main block.

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Basically, the latest update means tubes have to be 1x1x1. The bridge is technically 1x2-6x2, and the base block is on the upper level.

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will need to do testing

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The good news is, I can probably fix it.

It would mean that when a tube is built, I have to look at the tube map, unregister the tube at the bridge's base block coordinates, if there's a tube there, register the tube, and register the bridge in the correct location.

PLUS the invisible platform is also technically a tube, so that also might be falsely registered to the tube map instead of the tube (Which is only an issue if you delete something from above a tube, and the invisible platform deletes itself), so these invisible platforms would also need to unregister themself and reregister their parent tube in that spot.

mild lava Apr 5, 2025, 2:24 AM

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I had to read that like 3 times because Im slow but I kinda understand it. I was also curious if not being able to connect to the side of the initial bridge tubes (aside from the first tube) was intentional or not. You can delete the individual segment on the bridge, replace it with a regular tube, and it acts as normal again allowing for connections on all sides, which is why I was curious.

faint seal Apr 5, 2025, 3:11 AM

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It is an intentional behaviour. There is actually a specific tube piece bob added that is non solid and inflexible specifically for this purpose. The individual pieces can be deleted since there is no known way to make them act as one building in the same way district crossings do, so therefore they can be demolished separately for now.

mild lava Apr 5, 2025, 3:31 AM

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faint seal It is an intentional behaviour. There is actually a specific tube piece bob adde...

Okay, good to know then, thank you

stray dragon Apr 5, 2025, 4:30 PM

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hmmm

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It registers that something is on top of it, so I can't demolish it, but it's not triggering the draw supports option.

stray dragon Apr 5, 2025, 5:12 PM

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Patch notes:

Added new BobingaboutTubePatchSpec to set a tube's intended position and fix tubes being registered to the wrong coordines in the TubeMap.

Emberpelts:
Actually fixed the Dirt Block being able to be placed on the side of a cliff.
Minor change to the Tubeway Platform for new 0.7.2 Tubemap stuff.
Edited the Tubeway Bridges to use new BobingaboutTubePatchSpec from Script Pack.
Added Tubeway tunnels.

weak monolith Apr 5, 2025, 5:14 PM

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Nice, at least no need to make that tunnel 😍 👏

mild lava Apr 5, 2025, 7:01 PM

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Tubeway tunnels? 👀

stray dragon Apr 5, 2025, 8:40 PM

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weak monolith Nice, at least no need to make that tunnel 😍 👏

Well, this is Emberpelts only, so you could still make one for IronTeeth

iron peak Apr 5, 2025, 11:57 PM

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In the latest update, the wet fur debuff alert doesn’t work! They still get the debuff in their stats, but no circle over their head or pop up on the bottom left of the screen!

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 12:48 AM

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Ah yes, the "Critical Need" thing became it's own spec.

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it would effect bot fuel too

iron peak Apr 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Ah fun! So more updates soon! rip

mild lava Apr 6, 2025, 1:33 AM

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rip

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Soon, probably, yes.

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Thanks for pointing out the issue.

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It is literally just a UI thing though.

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There's a few other things I want to do too, like make the tube show the supports if dirt is being supported by it... I'm not sure how to do that yet... trial and error most likely, but I'm pretty sure that would only be a script pack change, not Emberpelts mod.

weak monolith Apr 6, 2025, 2:42 AM

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How 😮 ❓ 😱

tight oyster Apr 6, 2025, 2:43 AM

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weak monolith How 😮 ❓ 😱

You cannot build through terrain blocks

shrewd latch Apr 6, 2025, 2:44 AM

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That, plus the new overhang function of dirt allowing them to build the center dirt block.

weak monolith Apr 6, 2025, 2:44 AM

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True, but terrain block was placed on top of the sluice. and, YET, terrainn block was build on top of unbuilded sluices.

shrewd latch Apr 6, 2025, 2:47 AM

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weak monolith True, but terrain block was placed on top of the sluice. and, YET, terrainn bloc...

Dirt can be supported from the side for up to three blocks; this behavior replaced natural overhangs.
In practice, that means a six-wide gap can be supported from the sides, with no additional support from the center, and even further with an arch.
In other words, you need to be careful when building dirt from now on; don't assume that the block beneath it has to be complete in order for it to be built.

weak monolith Apr 6, 2025, 3:03 AM

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Still, this case is a bug the hope will be fixed in the next game update.

tight oyster Apr 6, 2025, 3:03 AM

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It's not a bug though.

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Well, not directly at least. Do you have multiple builders? maybe they just got to the terrain block before the sluice

weak monolith Apr 6, 2025, 3:06 AM

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triggering overhang should be only if nothing is bellow. Sure, with current game logic is not a bug, just in this edge case.

tight oyster Apr 6, 2025, 3:07 AM

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But yeah, I agree that it's unexpected at the very least and could be coded better for sure

weak monolith Apr 6, 2025, 3:10 AM

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tight oyster But yeah, I agree that it's unexpected at the very least and could be coded bett...

The same case allow to build caves (multiple side by side tunnels (vanila) and then, remove the platforms

shrewd latch Apr 6, 2025, 9:24 AM

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weak monolith How 😮 ❓ 😱

Put this in #🌴suggestions-and-feedback message

urban linden Apr 6, 2025, 1:43 PM

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@stray dragon something changed in your latest update(s). It used to be possible to have floating objects (left), but now they will disappear once you reload the game(right)

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is there any way to bring that feature back?

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 1:56 PM

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urban linden <@165886649513803776> something changed in your latest update(s). It used to be ...

I'm not sure how you were able to have the floating objects in the first place. As far as I knew, that was never allowed.

It's not something I changed, it's a change to the game engine, it wouldn't be easy to undo.

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I have to admit, the left image does look damn cool though

urban linden Apr 6, 2025, 2:10 PM

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its because im also using https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3451399457&searchtext= which has a "magical foundation" which basically removes the requirement to have a support

Steam Workshop::No Build Restriction [U7 only ✅]

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actually the issue might be with that mod instead because the last time I was actually able to reload floating objects was prior to the april 2 update

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 2:15 PM

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Yeah, a lot changes on the April 2 update.

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 2:16 PM

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urban linden its because im also using https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id...

so if that mod wasn't updated specifically for 0.7.2, then that might be why

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That's one of TheAplogist's mods isn't it?

urban linden Apr 6, 2025, 2:17 PM

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yep

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I asked him in the mod-user channel, we'll see

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 4:00 PM

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Patch notes:

Tubes will add support legs for dirt on top.
Costom Beaver By Name scripts will now ignore case (Capital letters) when looking up textures and icons (EG: Bobingabout and bobingabout will both use the same graphics set.)

Fixed wet fur and bot fuel needs not reporting.

worn tusk Apr 6, 2025, 4:03 PM

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ugh crazy how much you fixed tubeways. ironteeth vanilla is pretty unbearable

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 4:23 PM

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The biggest problem with my Tubeway unfortunately is the invisible platform block.

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It spams the log file with errors when you load a savegame

worn tusk Apr 6, 2025, 4:30 PM

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still, at least you can go up way more easily

stray dragon Apr 6, 2025, 4:54 PM

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yes

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 3:21 AM

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kiwi told me to add in my new textures

spiral trout Apr 7, 2025, 12:36 PM

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Some of these are great and some are still cursed 🤣
Those beet/tomato red ones that look like they are cosplaying as a beaver are something else...
It looks like they have a mouth line just under their nose (could also be a moustache?) which makes the beaver teeth below the mouth line give the impression that it's someone wearing a terrifying, giant, beaverskin mask.

smoky helm Apr 7, 2025, 1:45 PM

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4th one from 3rd row look cursed 😂

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 2:06 PM

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spiral trout Some of these are great and some are still cursed 🤣 Those beet/tomato red ones ...

Possibly whiskers but 100% looks like a moustache

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 2:08 PM

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smoky helm 4th one from 3rd row look cursed 😂

What did you call me?

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I gotta get ai to animate this guy later

smoky helm Apr 7, 2025, 2:09 PM

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I think we need a name for emberpelts mascot

sacred kelp Apr 7, 2025, 8:04 PM

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give the auto water pump as its own mod pls 🙏 i think it would make a good upgrade for iron teeth as they dont have a large pump

urban linden Apr 7, 2025, 8:23 PM

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@stray dragon do you think it would be possible to create a horizontal tubeway model without the support block attached? so just the pipe itself? it kinda looks out of place considering that all the other pipe orientations have very little scaffolding

stray dragon Apr 7, 2025, 8:30 PM

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urban linden <@165886649513803776> do you think it would be possible to create a horizontal t...

It's basically just a recolour of the Iron Teeth version.

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I had thought about adjusting things and making a new model, but, it's a lot of work.

urban linden Apr 7, 2025, 8:31 PM

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yeah thought so, alright no worries

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 10:45 PM

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smoky helm 4th one from 3rd row look cursed 😂

tight oyster Apr 7, 2025, 10:46 PM

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is that the dance hall animation?

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 10:56 PM

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That animation and the way the eyes are moving looks...familiar.

spiral trout Apr 7, 2025, 10:59 PM

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Definitely less cursed than the static image.

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 11:15 PM

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I was trying to play that audio file. =/ Was it a hint?

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 11:15 PM

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It will be if i can get a decent recording

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 11:15 PM

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lol

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 11:16 PM

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I am so sorry

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 11:17 PM

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That's the macarena (or however it's spelled), isn't it?

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 11:18 PM

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sharp glacier That's the macarena (or however it's spelled), isn't it?

that's the dance i tried getting the ai to have the beaver do

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 11:18 PM

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Ah, it's an ai animation.

worn tusk Apr 7, 2025, 11:19 PM

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just some entertaining abominations

stray dragon Apr 7, 2025, 11:48 PM

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worn tusk

what the heck happened at the 8 second mark? xD

sharp glacier Apr 7, 2025, 11:54 PM

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AI nonsense.

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 2:23 AM

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worn tusk

The 8 second mark makes me think of this.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjC3942hqPkBO2IRnRt_ITrQxT_0fJteJ?si=SS3klZ4pznGVtk78

YouTube

✂️ Jowls.

45 seconds · Clipped by bobingabout · Original video "Therapist Reacts to UP and Grief" by Cinema Therapy

▶ Play video

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 2:25 AM

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Yes that's exactly what happened

smoky helm Apr 8, 2025, 4:54 AM

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worn tusk

For some reason animated version looks cool 😂

weak monolith Apr 8, 2025, 4:58 AM

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worn tusk

Looks like arguing to designer. I wish to know what is saying 😍 🤣

weak monolith Apr 8, 2025, 9:28 AM

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Damn invisible platforms 🤣

upper bane Apr 8, 2025, 12:01 PM

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weak monolith Damn invisible platforms 🤣

They can build outside from inside, but get on the outside and suddenly physics takes over

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 1:54 PM

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worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 2:11 PM

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bobing you've outdone yourself with this tool

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 3:07 PM

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worn tusk bobing you've outdone yourself with this tool

This guy, I like.

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Makes me want to do the bot texture by name thing, but as mentioned, the problem there is IT and FT bots have different texture maps.

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so I really need to limit it to a specific faction.

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 3:10 PM

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that wouldn't be an issue, i don't think

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having mixed bots sounds like a nightmare

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 3:12 PM

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You can't use the same texture, and you can't load the other factions model either. (things like bot charging are linked to the IT model, so you can't charge FT bots)

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So, how should I do this...

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I could just include a FactionId on the CustomBotByName definition...

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or I could put the contents of the blueprint in an array defined by Faction.

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or a FactionID Array (so you can put FT and EP on the same definition)

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Yeah, like that.

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lets see...

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{
    "Name": "Jimbo",
    "ExcludeFromNamePool": "True",
    "Texture": "CustomBeavers/Textures/BeaverAdult.Gold",
    "ChildTexture": "CustomBeavers/Textures/BeaverChild.Gold",
    "Avatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldAdult",
    "ChildAvatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldChild",
    "ContaminatedAvatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldContaminatedAdult",
    "ContaminatedChildAvatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldContaminatedChild"
}

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this is the example from my readme file. I really should update this example for U7 blueprints...

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I'm not going to for this example though, so just pretend this is a blueprint, not a specification.

    "Name": "Jimbo",
    "ExcludeFromNamePool": "True",
    "FactionSets":
    [
        {
            "FactionIds": ["Folktails", "Emberpelts"],
            "Texture": "CustomBeavers/Textures/BeaverAdult.Gold",
            "ChildTexture": "CustomBeavers/Textures/BeaverChild.Gold",
            "Avatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldAdult",
            "ChildAvatar": "CustomBeavers/Avatars/GoldChild",
        }
    ]
}

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 3:18 PM

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so would you be able to have both, or is this just a case of requiring you to specify which bot model to use?

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 3:19 PM

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worn tusk so would you be able to have both, or is this just a case of requiring you to sp...

Well, the way things work, The character texture setter (Vanilla) lets you just replace the texture, it doesn't know what the model actually is.

So my script would need to filter to specific factions, based on what model the faction uses.

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EP uses the FT bot model.

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 3:20 PM

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so your script would need to find out what model the faction is using?

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 3:21 PM

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I'll just let the modder figure that out.

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Modder being you.

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So if you want, you can just put the FT textures on the IT bots, and look terrible

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 3:22 PM

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ahh

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i comprehend

faint seal Apr 8, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Bots are inorganic, and there perfection and clone like nature should portray this.
Not only would having variety among bots be difficult, it would strip them of their organic feel.

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Say hi to Greg.

sharp glacier Apr 8, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Hi Greg!

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 10:12 PM

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even highlighted he looks bright and pastel-y

sharp glacier Apr 8, 2025, 10:12 PM

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I figured it was stained glass.

shrewd latch Apr 8, 2025, 10:17 PM

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stray dragon

So will this be another "Easter egg" like the modder beavers?

Personally, I think it should always be the first bot as if the beavers are celebrating their achievement.

stray dragon Apr 8, 2025, 10:19 PM

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shrewd latch So will this be another "Easter egg" like the modder beavers? Personally, I thi...

I'm just writing (and testing) the interface. This is a thing that Nadca is gonna do

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Change Log:

Added Custom Bot By Name script.
Added a Bot Naming service.

Fixed a bot avatar error

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you basically have to define the complete bot name list, and it replaces the numbering system.

worn tusk Apr 8, 2025, 11:41 PM

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umm i think his name is Billy

stray dragon Apr 9, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Very bright.

stray dragon Apr 9, 2025, 6:45 PM

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More patch notes:

Added Character Graphics Set Blueprint definitions, and usage on Beaver/Bot ByName Blueprints.

Added German translation by Juf0816
Added support for new Character Graphics Sets from Script Pack update.

stray dragon Apr 9, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I released the script pack a little too hasty.

Added support for Bot Names to have a # in their name to show their number.```

worn tusk Apr 9, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Return to golemhood

stray dragon Apr 9, 2025, 10:29 PM

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upper bane Apr 10, 2025, 11:09 AM

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The walkways look clean

mild lava Apr 10, 2025, 4:33 PM

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I made a buried housing complex this playthrough using the building sandwich mechanic, but the skybridges and walkways look awesome for balconies and stuff. Excited for my next run already

stray dragon Apr 10, 2025, 4:52 PM

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😛

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I gotta fix the mods first

stray dragon Apr 10, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Patch notes:

Fixed for V0.7.3.1 update

Delete redundant Bot wellbeing tiers.

Fixed for V0.7.3.1 update

mild lava Apr 10, 2025, 6:01 PM

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What were the redundant bot wellbeing tiers? Is that something to do with todays update? Ive been working all day (still am) so I havent been able to look at much

stray dragon Apr 10, 2025, 6:05 PM

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mild lava What were the redundant bot wellbeing tiers? Is that something to do with todays...

I added a definition for Bot Wellbeing Tiers all the way back in the U6 early prototypes, all the way up to 10, but then never actually used it, since Emberpelts still only had 3 wellbeing.

Today's update changed the base ones to be more powerful, so I would either have to update the entire set, or just delete it.

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and since it wasn't used, I deleted it.

mild lava Apr 10, 2025, 6:32 PM

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Gotcha. Makes sense then. And yeah, reading the patch notes that is a really substantial boost to all the wellbeing work speed buffs for both bots and beavers

stray dragon Apr 12, 2025, 11:33 AM

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autumn peak Apr 12, 2025, 7:33 PM

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how does the sky bridge tubeway connection for emberpelts work? would connecting it to houses serve as an entrance to the tubeway network?

urban linden Apr 12, 2025, 7:38 PM

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yes

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thats exactly what it is

autumn peak Apr 12, 2025, 7:39 PM

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great, thanks!

autumn peak Apr 13, 2025, 6:13 PM

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are there any emberpelt buildings that can cause injuries?

worn tusk Apr 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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probably the whole industry

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lumber mill, gear workshop, smelter

autumn peak Apr 13, 2025, 6:22 PM

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i mean i know the base-game injury-causing buildings but are there any emberpelt exclusives?

worn tusk Apr 13, 2025, 6:23 PM

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autumn peak are there any emberpelt buildings that can cause injuries?

clay pit
smelter large

autumn peak Apr 13, 2025, 6:23 PM

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clay pit causes injuries?

worn tusk Apr 13, 2025, 6:23 PM

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gear workshop large

worn tusk Apr 13, 2025, 6:24 PM

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autumn peak clay pit causes injuries?

probabilityPerHour: 0.015

autumn peak Apr 13, 2025, 6:25 PM

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huh ok

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guess it does make sense

worn tusk Apr 13, 2025, 6:26 PM

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i think the mindset is if the mine causes injury, then so must them doing the same thing in another hole

autumn peak Apr 13, 2025, 6:31 PM

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also i noticed that bots don't receive penalties for being out of fuel (working and movement speed)

stray dragon Apr 13, 2025, 7:37 PM

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autumn peak also i noticed that bots don't receive penalties for being out of fuel (working ...

I thought I fixed that

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0.7.2.3 should have fixed it.,

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unless there's another recent change that broke it again

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Okay, I see

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They get "Out of Fuel" and "Refuse to Work" but don't get the speed penalty.

worn tusk Apr 14, 2025, 1:26 AM

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GolemIT

stray dragon Apr 14, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Golem

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From when bots were first added.

shrewd latch Apr 14, 2025, 1:40 AM

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Huh, they never changed them!

stray dragon Apr 14, 2025, 1:40 AM

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I wonder how difficult it would be to add another type of character

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Actually, I wonder if it would be possible to have more than one type of bot.

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Would need a custom script to set what you build in the bot assembler... iirc the bot assembler has a script that makes a bot, but the bot is listed somewhere in the faction spec.

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So if you need a custom script to handle multiple types of bot, you should he able to pick a bot another way.

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The hard part would be handling the bot needs if they have a different fuel source.

spiral trout Apr 14, 2025, 3:00 AM

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Now you have me imagining really weird bot types, such as one-time use deployable bots: one that can wade into a river and transform into a five-wide dam system or go into the middle of a "forest" and scythe down a 5x5 region of trees into logs.

worn tusk Apr 14, 2025, 3:03 AM

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stray dragon I wonder how difficult it would be to add another type of character

I tried loading a tall beaver into the game today lol

stray dragon Apr 14, 2025, 12:09 PM

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spiral trout Now you have me imagining really weird bot types, such as one-time use deployabl...

I wasn't thinking anything that unique.

stray dragon Apr 14, 2025, 12:09 PM

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worn tusk I tried loading a tall beaver into the game today lol

oh?

worn tusk Apr 14, 2025, 2:05 PM

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I'll try again, i was doing it wrong

spiral trout Apr 14, 2025, 8:34 PM

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I know. I never thought it would be something as wild as those. They were just the first things that came to mind at the prospect of more than one bot type.

I could definitely see a new faction that had super early access to bots, but the bots were "deployable items" like the ones I mentioned since the beavers want to stay in their buildings and not go out into the hazardous landscape. (due to frailty, immunocompromised, superscience/nolabor, manual work just being beneath them, couch potato beaver inventors).

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 12:46 AM

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A sample of names generated by my name generator.

worn tusk Apr 15, 2025, 12:59 AM

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would it do my name after 10,000 names

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 1:00 AM

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hmmmm....

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no

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in theory Nadca does fit the pattern, but there's no d end consonant for 1st syllable, I removed it because it was only in less than 1% of names.

runic glade Apr 15, 2025, 1:27 AM

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Nad
And
Dud
Ood
Odd
Ord
Nord
Nand
Bud
Budd
Bad
Brad
Lad

IDK if I should keep thinking of 1 syllable particles that end in D or not. If you don't want it, I won't clog the chat up with a rediculously long list.

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Oh, I think the problem is you have a specific pattern for how you want these?

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So like none of that list works?

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 1:28 AM

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I sent the file in the mod creators channel. The syllables are actually built up from an almost letter by latter basis.

runic glade Apr 15, 2025, 1:28 AM

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Hmmm...

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Ok, I see.

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Adding D to the end of the first syllable is easy, I just didn't include it because it's not very common in vanilla names.

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It's less than 1%.

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Shadrala and Chudhagas. That's it.
Any additional names that have D after the first vowel are imediately followed by another vowel, so that counts as the start of the 2nd syllable, not end of the first.

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and I think Shadrala was split to Sha Dra La, so it's Dr as the start of the 2nd syllable, so that means Chudhagas is the only one that fits.

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Yeah, I had to make a few descisions.

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 1:39 AM

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runic glade Nad And Dud Ood Odd Ord Nord Nand Bud Budd Bad Brad Lad IDK if I should keep th...

Thanks for the input though.

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 1:44 AM

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worn tusk would it do my name after 10,000 names

I'll probably add D to the end of the 1st syllable on one of the faction specific generators, so you might find Nadca can only show up as an Emberpelt or something.

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I also kinda want to tie this to Beaver Faction (From "Beaver Faction Split Needs", not just normal faction) but then things get pretty complicated, because Beaver Faction is usually derived from the beaver after the name and texture has been assigned.

worn tusk Apr 15, 2025, 1:47 AM

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add the D!

tropic jackal Apr 15, 2025, 1:53 AM

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worn tusk

@sacred kelp

worn tusk Apr 15, 2025, 2:07 AM

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stray dragon oh?

paper spire Apr 15, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I think this mod had ruined vanilla for me. It's legit hard to go back to the vanilla factions and lose some of the better features included here. You've done genuinely excellent work.

stray dragon Apr 15, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Thanks

shrewd stirrup Apr 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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I was skeptical on emberpelts when first released but theyre so fascinating now

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Definitely developed in a cool direction

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 10:14 PM

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Emberpelts is pretty amazing, required full on c coding, if I recall right, to add whole new mechanics to the game . An exhaustive and extensive project. and I agree, it's an awesome faction.

shrewd latch Apr 15, 2025, 10:18 PM

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raw night Emberpelts is pretty amazing, required full on c coding, if I recall right, to a...

C#, not C

C# has more in common with Java than it does with C.

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 10:28 PM

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ah

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it's still a full-on programming language, which puts it heads and shoulders above a lot of other mods. does it not?

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That's the point.

meager goblet Apr 15, 2025, 11:53 PM

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I thought this was ember city for a second

tight oyster Apr 15, 2025, 11:55 PM

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raw night it's still a full-on programming language, which puts it heads and shoulders abo...

I don't think it's fair to compare mods in this way. Emberpelts is fantastic, sure. But there are plenty of mods with and without code that are just as great for different people.

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 11:55 PM

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true

tight oyster Apr 15, 2025, 11:56 PM

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But yeah, Bob put in a fair amount of effort and it feels like a great addition to the community in so many ways LoveIT

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 11:56 PM

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I'm not saying that there aren't other mods as good, just probably not as complicated and exhaustive to put together.

tight oyster Apr 15, 2025, 11:57 PM

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Have you looked at Whitepaws (Water Beaver Overhaul mod) at all?

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 11:58 PM

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Yes I have, it is good.

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if extensive in its its learning curve

tight oyster Apr 15, 2025, 11:58 PM

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I'm impressed how little code Lapan wrote and still got that to work

sacred kelp Apr 15, 2025, 11:58 PM

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how hard is it? ive heard its a bit difficult

raw night Apr 15, 2025, 11:59 PM

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try doing JC beard's Apocalypse Mode with it, die in two cycles 😉 jk

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I'll admit I laughed just as hard as he did when the beaver washing machine came up

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 12:00 AM

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I'm still working my way though his u5 water beaver videos. I want to say I'm on episode 10 of 70 something.

raw night Apr 16, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Wait until episode 21

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about 25 minutes in

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 12:04 AM

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No spoilers though 😛

raw night Apr 16, 2025, 12:09 AM

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nope

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lol

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I will however say, that I have never heard him laugh that hard

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 12:16 AM

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Final off topic message here. His laugh at ||the beaver jail or the hand of soup|| was amazing.

raw night Apr 16, 2025, 12:16 AM

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lol

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:14 AM

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tight oyster I don't think it's fair to compare mods in this way. Emberpelts is fantastic, su...

I'd have to say that most of what is in emberpelts could still be there even without the code.
Tubeways would just be the Vanilla IT method, rather than the auto-type method I made. Bridges is another question...

A lot of the graphical stuff like the barrier on doors when there's no access is done in code.

Moving between houses would still be possible without code, as would the Skybridge stuff, but the graphics would require a unique model per variant, rather than me just having a wall with a door, and a half-wall, and it automatically toggling between the two, or neither if it's next to another walkway.

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Some things like the piles would still be possible without code, but probably have to use some sort of trick and it wouldn't look as good, similarly with U7, the underground good wearhouse, there was a baseZ bug in the game that crashed it, so that would likely have been closed too.

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All the other stuff like beavers remembering their texture between saves, having unique icons per texture, unique textures by name etc, that's all scripting.

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and yes, I've used C, C++ and JS before, but not C# before Timberborn. I can definitely say that C# is like C++ and JS had a child.

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:21 AM

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Oh yeah, it's impressive what you've done

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:21 AM

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I have to say though, that while I'm getting the hang of what can be done with scripting, I am still kinda new to it.

Some of the things theapologist316 comes out with impress me, though. He's really having fun doing this coding.

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The latest one, Buildings at angles that aren't steps of 90 degrees

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I didn't even think that could be possible.

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:21 AM

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Ha those are great for sure (in no particular order I like the random color/rotation mods a lot, the science stuff is cool)

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Not sure I'd use them but also love to see that they exist

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:22 AM

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Same

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The main thing I'd want to do with his colour mod, is reverse engineer it to fix my own mod issues ¦3

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For some reason I couldn't get colouring working on the material fixer, yet he did.

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My current obsession though is this name generator.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:26 AM

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tight oyster Not sure I'd use them but also love to see that they exist

Same.

and I know he's having fun doing it, but sometimes I just wonder...

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https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

Tenor

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:26 AM

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I think it's similar to why you've added things to the mods you make. People asked him for them

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:26 AM

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That's a fair answer.

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Did someone actually make the auto no fog mod?

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I saw a request for that floating around.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:28 AM

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tight oyster I think it's similar to why you've added things to the mods you make. People ask...

Another good answer is just "To see if it could be done."

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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That too

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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stray dragon Did someone actually make the auto no fog mod?

I wanna say TImprove has the no fog thing and unlocked camera

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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I see

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I don't know what mod or who made it, but I think I saw Disturbed using buttons to set the game speed to strange multipliers, like 20, 40, 50 etc.

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I wonder who made that mod

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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I wanna say there are two of them floating around (Luke made one on Steam and there's a different one on mod.io)

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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hmm

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/game-speed-config#description

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:43 AM

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Any thoughts on bot names?

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Do people like the whole Ironbot, Emberbot... what'd FTs bot named again?

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Do people like that bots are basically just Bot #, or would bot names be a good thing?

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:45 AM

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Folktail bots are "Timberbot ###"

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I super don't love the numbers for bots but I also don't know what I would have in its place

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:49 AM

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Randomly generated names?

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Could keep the number too.

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:50 AM

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The numbers could be nice if they were not just sequential I guess

sacred kelp Apr 16, 2025, 1:50 AM

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can we get Bob the Bot #23 then

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Can he bot it? Yes he can!

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</lame joke>

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:52 AM

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I already have a random name assigner (from a predefined list, that you have to define) in script pack, I showed Nadca how to use it.

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Part of the custom bot by name thing.

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In theory you can just put 1 bot name in the list.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 1:53 AM

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stray dragon

See Greg

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A later version even includes the number.

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 1:55 AM

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Hi Greg 🙂

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 2:00 AM

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I don't think I posted it in here, but in the mod creators channel, but there should be a screenshot of a numbered Greg.

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Can't find it though.

worn tusk Apr 16, 2025, 3:28 AM

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never got around to writing up documention? i don't blame ya

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:46 AM

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Yeah, still haven't updated any documentation since U6.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 7:56 PM

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no reason not to push these updates.

patch notes:

CharacterAvatarMap should now read ChildAvatarPath and ContaminatedChildAvatarPath
Added a new EditManufactoryRecipeList script to add or remove recipes from a building.

Fixed Bot No Fuel Speed Penalty

Added German translation by Juf0816
Updated to use the new Recipe Adder from script pack 0.7.4.0 instead of replacing prefabs.

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These are all version 0.7.4.0 even though I know we just got 0.7.5.0. The game updates are really pushing the numbers up now.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 8:14 PM

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Name generator gave me the legendary...

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20% chance for no first consonant.
90% no second vowel
90% no end consonant
50% no middle syllables
2% no ending syllable.
0.162% chance to be just a vowel.
20% that vowel is an E.
0.0324% chance to be named E.

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https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

Tenor

sacred kelp Apr 16, 2025, 8:35 PM

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E

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Would be be poor taste to set up a "Custom Beaver By Name" entry so that if E ever shows up, it uses this icon?

sacred kelp Apr 16, 2025, 8:39 PM

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do it

mild lava Apr 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Please do it

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 9:46 PM

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It'll only work if you also have the script pack installed.

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raw night Apr 16, 2025, 11:10 PM

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lol

tight oyster Apr 16, 2025, 11:17 PM

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stray dragon

Cursed but amazing

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:17 PM

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😛

autumn peak Apr 16, 2025, 11:22 PM

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something i noticed: bell pepper juice presses don't show the ingredients (not producing anything either), and pepper bread cannot be made because it doesn't have the option for bell pepper juice

expected result: produce bell pepper juice and pepper bread

actual result: bell pepper juice and pepper bread cannot be produced, even after replacing bakery and press

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note: this started to happen after the 0.7.4.0 update

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:23 PM

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huh...

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:26 PM

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autumn peak note: this started to happen after the 0.7.4.0 update

Yeah, I think I know why, I guess.

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let me see if I can do anything about it.

autumn peak Apr 16, 2025, 11:26 PM

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👍

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:31 PM

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No harm going back to the previous version, but of course steam doesn't really allow that... I could try and make the previous version the active version.

stray dragon Apr 16, 2025, 11:46 PM

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So... I do see a ManufactoryInventoryInitializer.Initialize that seems to initialize the inventory...

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I just don't see a call to it.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 12:24 AM

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so after staring at this for an hour...

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I've expanded

            if (_editManufactoryRecipeListService.TryGetRecipesToAdd(_prefabName, out ImmutableArray<string> recipesToAdd)) _manufactorySpec._productionRecipeIds.AddRange(recipesToAdd);

to

            if (_editManufactoryRecipeListService.TryGetRecipesToAdd(_prefabName, out ImmutableArray<string> recipesToAdd))
            {
                _manufactorySpec._productionRecipeIds.AddRange(recipesToAdd);
                foreach (string recipe in recipesToAdd)
                {
                    RecipeSpec recipeSpec = _specService.GetSpecs<RecipeSpec>().FirstOrDefault(r => r.Id == recipe);
                    _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods.Add(recipeSpec?.Ingredients.Select(r => new StorableGoodAmount( StorableGood.CreateGiveableAndTakeable(r.Id), r.Amount )));
                    _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods.Add(recipeSpec?.Products.Select(r => new StorableGoodAmount( StorableGood.CreateGiveableAndTakeable(r.Id), r.Amount )));
                }
            }

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Now lets see if it works.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 12:48 AM

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actually, that's garbage.

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I mean, it worked, but badly.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:07 AM

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Okay, this works better, but...

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I'm half rebuilding the thing, instead of hacking and patching, let me just rebuild it entirely.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:08 AM

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sometimes the lesson is building it once before you know how to build it how you want

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:12 AM

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        private void UpdateInventory()
        {
            Dictionary<StorableGood, int> goods = new();
            _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods._storableGoods.Clear();
            _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods._outputGoods.Clear();
            _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods._inputGoods.Clear();
            foreach (var recipeSpec in _manufactorySpec._productionRecipeIds.Select(recipe => _specService.GetSpecs<RecipeSpec>().FirstOrDefault(r => r.Id == recipe))) ManufactoryInventoryInitializer.ProcessRecipe(recipeSpec, goods);
            _manufactory.Inventory._allowedGoods.Add(goods.Select(r => new StorableGoodAmount( r.Key, r.Value )));
        }

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Lest try this.

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ManufactoryInventoryInitializer.ProcessRecipe is doing A LOT of work here.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:12 AM

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is that the new guy you found

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:12 AM

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I still don't know where it's called.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:13 AM

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stray dragon I've expanded ```c# if (_editManufactoryRecipeListService.TryGetRec...

but after this, I found myself replicating a lot of code in there, so I'm like... Well, it accepts and edits a dictionary that's a variation of the final array anyway, so...

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might as well use it.

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and at first I was just using it to patch the previous data.

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but I also have a remove recipes function, so I'm like...

might as well just build the inventory from the new recipes list, rather than patching the old one

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:17 AM

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will make u8 easier for ya

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:21 AM

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autumn peak something i noticed: bell pepper juice presses don't show the ingredients (not p...

Seems to be working now.

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I'll do an upload (of the script pack, that's what was broken)

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:25 AM

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are you using increaseamount at all

public static void IncreaseAmount(
      IDictionary<StorableGood, int> goods,
      StorableGood storableGood,
      int amount)
    {
      if (goods.ContainsKey(storableGood) && goods[storableGood] >= amount)
        return;
      goods[storableGood] = amount;
    }
  }```

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:27 AM

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worn tusk are you using increaseamount at all ```C# public static void IncreaseAmount( ...

not directly, but I think ProcessRecipe calls it.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:27 AM

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ah yeah

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:29 AM

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stray dragon

So @worn tusk you like E?

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Greg has an E in it

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so i guess it's Greg's vowel

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is E short for Greg then?

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 1:33 AM

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I think due to the scramble to fix that recipe thing, I didn't show off the Emberpelts and Charcoal names.

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Emberpelts has a proper generator.

                "Id": "BeaverEmberpelts",
                "Pattern": [1, 2, 2, 3],
                "Stages": [
                    {"Parts": ["FirstStart", "FirstVowel", "SecondVowel", "FirstEnd"]},
                    {"Parts": ["SecondStart", "FirstVowel", "SecondVowel", "FirstEnd"], "Chance": 0.3},
                    {"Parts": ["SecondStart", "FirstVowel", "SecondVowel", "LastEnd"], "Chance": 0.98}
                ],
                "Parts": [
                    {"Id": "FirstStart", "Chance": 0.8,
                        "List": ["B", "B", "Ch", "Chr", "D", "D", "F", "G", "G", "H", "H", "J", "J", "J", "J", "J", "K", "K", "K", "K", "Kh", "Kh", "L", "L", 
                                 "M", "M", "M", "N", "N", "Ng", "Ny", "P", "R", "R", "R", "R", "R", "S", "S", "S", "S", "Sh", "Sh", "T", "T", "T", "Th", "Tr"]
                    },
                    {"Id": "SecondStart", "List": ["b", "ch", "d", "dr", "g", "j", "k", "kr", "l", "m", "n", "p", "pr", "r", "s", "st", "t", "tr", "y", "x"]},
                    {"Id": "FirstVowel", "List": ["a", "a", "e", "i", "o", "u"]},
                    {"Id": "SecondVowel", "Chance": 0.125, "List": ["a", "a", "a", "a", "e", "e", "i", "i", "o", "u"]},
                    {"Id": "FirstEnd", "Chance": 0.1, "List": ["d", "ck", "k", "l", "m", "m","n", "n", "r", "r", "t"]},
                    {"Id": "LastEnd", "Chance": 0.65, 
                     "List": ["ck", "d", "d", "g", "h", "k", "l", "lt", "m", "mp", "n", "n", "ng", "ny", "r", "r", "rt", "s", "s", "sh", "t", "th", "thy", "x", "x", "y"]}
                ]
            },

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But Charcoal, I was like... meh...

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                "Id": "BeaverCharcoal",
                "Pattern": [1],
                "Stages": [{"Parts": ["Start", "End"]}],
                "Parts": [
                    {"Id": "Start", "List": ["Ash", "Coal", "Soot", "Charcoal", "Coke", "Char", "Smoke"]},
                    {"Id": "End", "List": ["fur", "pelt", "paws", "tail", "hide", "face", "nose", "belly"]}
                ]
            }

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just spits out names like "Sootface" or "Charcoalnose"

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"Ashpaws"

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if you have any suggestions, let me know.

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this includes telling me to just rewrite something like the others... or just to add, or remove name parts.

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and you can suggest changes to the Emberpelts name rules too, not just the Charcoal.

spiral trout Apr 17, 2025, 1:53 AM

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Ah yes, Cokenose, the family-friendliest of the Charcoal beavers. Always the life of the party. Always works 24h even if your working hours are set to 16. Then you find him dead on the side of the road with a pile of dropped logs or covered in liquid from an overflowing juice press.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 2:00 AM

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spiral trout Ah yes, Cokenose, the family-friendliest of the Charcoal beavers. Always the lif...

oh... yes, Cokenose is a valid name from that generator ¦3

I might need to rethink that as an option.

autumn peak Apr 17, 2025, 2:00 AM

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stray dragon Seems to be working now.

yay! it's crazy how you do so much, you impress me!

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 2:02 AM

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autumn peak yay! it's crazy how you do so much, you impress me!

Thanks~

If people mention there being an issue, and I'm available (Like, not asleep, not at work etc), I'll usually try to fix it as soon as possible.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 2:23 AM

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spiral trout Ah yes, Cokenose, the family-friendliest of the Charcoal beavers. Always the lif...

dying @ 24h worktime

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Do one for father Cokeface

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 2:25 AM

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I really should remove coke as an option. You know it was supposed to be like the coking coal, not the more implied meaning of cokenose.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 2:26 AM

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i didn't understand and i'm drinking a can right now

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long live mama cokepaws and papa cokeface and their dear son, RIP Cokenose

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Coalnose

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 2:30 AM

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stray dragon

Need more unique beavers like E

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Could give him more than a custom icon too.

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A

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 3:26 AM

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what about Y

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 12:28 PM

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I actually didn't end up using Y as a vowel.

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 3:17 PM

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So, the name generator.

The problem I have right now is I basically have 3 things that change the names list, and they're not all compatible with each other.

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CustomBeaverByName and CustomBeaverNamesList let you add names to the beaver name service name pool. The 2nd one even lets you clear the list to replace them with your custom names.

Then there's CustomBotByName and CustomBotNamesList that basically does the same as the previous example for beavers, though in this case there is no Bot name service, so it adds one, and you have to turn it on in CustomBotNamesList

And the 3rd one is this new random name generator I'm working on, which clears the names list on load, then generates a new name and pushes it to the Names list. This Bypasses the names pool.
(When a beaver is created, a name is grabbed from the Names list and removes it. If there are no names on the names list, it clones the names pool onto the names list first, then grabs a random one. This means it cycles through everything on the pool once before repeating.)

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So if you have the name generator, then CustomBeaverNamesList is ignored.

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So the thing is... how should I handle this?

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 9:22 PM

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I found a bug in Emberpelts that has probably existed for as long as Emberpelts has existed, and nobody has told me about it yet.

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The back wall of the Tapper's Shack is... well... it has no back wall.

worn tusk Apr 17, 2025, 9:45 PM

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hmmmm

stray dragon Apr 17, 2025, 10:04 PM

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You can do crazy things with those bridges.

mild lava Apr 18, 2025, 3:27 AM

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That image hurt my brain for a good minute

weak monolith Apr 18, 2025, 3:28 AM

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Looks more like a strange irrigation tubeway system 🤣

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 3:49 AM

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the lil floating supports

raw night Apr 18, 2025, 6:24 AM

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it wouldn't surprise me at all if no one even noticed the tapper shack visual issue, as long as the tapper shack worked as intended.

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 2:12 PM

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whatever happened to this guy

stray dragon Apr 18, 2025, 2:53 PM

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worn tusk whatever happened to this guy

I could totally use that for something, I just couldn't be arsed to install an older version of the game to rip the assets.

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where'd you get it from?

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 2:54 PM

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0.0.5

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this cool to post here? here's the raw export

📎 shredder.7z

stray dragon Apr 18, 2025, 2:58 PM

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I'm not at home, so can't do anything with it right now, but I'll try to remember to grab it later.

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 8:38 PM

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what if bots had a home

spiral trout Apr 18, 2025, 8:46 PM

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What if bots wanted more items to improve their "wellbeing" and going to this Metal Shredder Bar was their way of eating food complementary to their lubricant/grease/punch card bonus (since fuel is their base need).

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 8:48 PM

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#1 idea so far, another bot bonus fabricator

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i think you'll like this one @stray dragon ^

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 8:55 PM

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spiral trout What if bots wanted more items to improve their "wellbeing" and going to this Me...

Punch Bars

stray dragon Apr 18, 2025, 9:02 PM

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hmmmm

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I think these bits are probably using the wrong texture.

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I'm still not sure what I'd use this for.

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but some sort of shredder.

worn tusk Apr 18, 2025, 9:09 PM

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idk what else to use

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circa 2021:

shrewd latch Apr 18, 2025, 9:12 PM

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stray dragon but some sort of shredder.

Industrial mixer?

urban linden Apr 18, 2025, 11:01 PM

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If you have too many beavers and are in desperate need of food, you can send them to the shredder to turn them into a resource 👀

tight oyster Apr 18, 2025, 11:04 PM

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mmm? beaver juices? 🤢

stray dragon Apr 18, 2025, 11:07 PM

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x3

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 1:07 AM

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urban linden If you have too many beavers and are in desperate need of food, you can send the...

i was thinking the same thing, but just for fun and no resource retrieval

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 1:10 AM

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I'm not sure of a beaver killing machine

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in both that I'm pretty sure I don't want one, and I'm not sure how to do it.

runic glade Apr 19, 2025, 1:15 AM

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stray dragon I'm not sure of a beaver killing machine

Seems like something you'd find in the Whitepaw faction, anyways.

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 1:15 AM

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runic glade Seems like something you'd find in the Whitepaw faction, anyways.

true

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IIRC, the Wonder that Lapan made kills all the beavers assigned to it.

tight oyster Apr 19, 2025, 1:17 AM

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So does the Iron Teeth Wonder, effectively

tight oyster Apr 19, 2025, 1:18 AM

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runic glade Seems like something you'd find in the Whitepaw faction, anyways.

Is this maybe a reference to the Power Billboard?

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 1:20 AM

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how many people here have used Emberpelts: Food Expansion and/or Beaver Faction Split Needs?

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 1:21 AM

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BFSN is hard to understand

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 1:23 AM

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how so?

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All you really need to know about it:
If you play Greedy Builders, then FT and IT factions exist within the same map, so the FT will want to interact with FT things that give needs (like eat carrots and ride the carousel) and IT beavers will want to interact with IT things that give needs (like eat Kohlrabi and visit the wind tunnel)

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For Emberpelts, it assigns the grey coloured beavers to the Charcoal faction, which by itself does nothing.

but if you also use Food Expansion where it adds another 11 needs for food and juice) (and some more food items, and pepper juice), it splits those needs between Emberpelts and Charcoal beavers... so in short, they like different foods.

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then if you install the unreleased beaver random name generator, it gives Charcoal beavers a different name style than Emberpelts

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Like good old Cokenose.

shrewd latch Apr 19, 2025, 2:14 AM

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stray dragon I think these bits are probably using the wrong texture.

A thought:
Grind up metal scrap and charcoal. Then, in a separate facility, add a little extract and clay...

Fireworks!

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Hmmm

shrewd latch Apr 19, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Of course, that ends up as more than a bit complicated:

Scrap
Logs -> Charcoal
Badwater -> Extract
Water -> Clay
Scrap + Charcoal -> Intermediate
Intermediate + Extract + Clay -> Fireworks

I count 9 steps, which puts that well beyond almost any other recipe, except maybe bots.

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 3:16 AM

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stray dragon how so?

ah that makes sense. i kinda flies right by me when i don't find it relevant. good to know it makes greedy builders more functional, even if it does nothing to solid factions

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 3:27 AM

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shrewd latch A thought: Grind up metal scrap and charcoal. Then, *in a separate facility*, ad...

who you calling a facility?

smoky helm Apr 19, 2025, 5:26 AM

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@stray dragon just an idea i have. Was going to add to my faction but i don't think i can make one any time soon

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Bad water -> chemical+ non drinkable water

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Non drinkable -> drinkable water

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Chemical can be used for multiple things. My idea is a chemical energy plant

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 12:54 PM

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worn tusk who you calling a facility?

Oddly enough, that thing on the right is probably more useful, because it could be literally anything.

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 12:57 PM

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i'm seeing what ember flavor looks like

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 2:56 PM

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shrewd latch Of course, that ends up as more than a bit complicated: * Scrap * Logs -> Charco...

1 (One) Fireworks Facility

spiral trout Apr 19, 2025, 3:39 PM

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The question remains: how could fireworks be implemented into the game? Some ideas.

a) a wellbeing consumable with no game visual like FT books

b) a stockpile item and another Fun attraction shoots off stockpiled fireworks (like a mini wonder with visual firework explosions) for the wellbeing boost

c) they are so exciting and enthralling that they negate the sleepy, hungry, thirsty need because the adrenaline just keeps you going for one more day without needing to satiate those needs

d) Child only item that speeds up growth into adulthood (Could be mid-to-late game for FT and non-pod Embers, but may have no purpose for advanced pod IT and Embers.)

Would be cool to see beavers running around holding sparklers, but that would be more animated models to make.

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 5:21 PM

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Again I can see inspiration for the dirt escavator in that thing.

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 5:38 PM

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you mean shredder

stray dragon Apr 19, 2025, 10:06 PM

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worn tusk 1 (One) Fireworks Facility

Both this thing, and the stredder have elments on them that I recognise in the dirt excavator.

worn tusk Apr 19, 2025, 10:17 PM

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well this belongs with the dirt excavator as they are siblings of the same update

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so it's way more likely the shredder was the sole influencer to what you see in both the excavator and terraforming station

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🙃

stray dragon Apr 20, 2025, 3:09 PM

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Fair

runic glade Apr 20, 2025, 7:28 PM

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stray dragon IIRC, the Wonder that Lapan made kills all the beavers assigned to it.

I think it used to be worse. Before they released the wonder update, they shared a preview with me where ||ALL the beavers in the Wonder's AoE died. Which is usually your whole colony.|| <-- SPOILER FOR WHITEPAW FACTION - BUILD THE WONDER FIRST.

raw night Apr 22, 2025, 8:54 PM

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that's, uh, crazy lol

smoky helm Apr 23, 2025, 5:21 AM

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@stray dragon sorry for ping, but it would be wonderful if you are able to make a wiki for the faction.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 12:15 PM

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I'm not going to make my own Wiki.
Someone else would be welcome to.

Ideally, we should add Emberpelts to a wiki that already exists.

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 2:03 PM

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Or just main game it ThinkingIT

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 2:22 PM

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not sure if the devs would be okay with adding a modded faction to the official wiki

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But some random thoughts

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I often get people asking me to make my newer mods work on U6... I'm not doing that.

But I also get people asking me to make some of the Emberpelts things available for other factions.

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Like the Automated water pump, and Tubeway bridges.

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I was considering Moving the Tubeway bridge out of the main Emberpelts mod (They are a bit overpowered, along with the tiny tubeway station, and that station is in it's own mod), and also make an IronTeeth version too.

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So... Iron Teeth Tubeway Bridges, and move the Emberpelts Tubeway Bridges into it.

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For the IT tube base, do I go with this...

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this?

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or this?

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or something else.

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something like that.

shrewd latch Apr 23, 2025, 2:49 PM

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stray dragon not sure if the devs would be okay with adding a modded faction to the official ...

Even if it were allowed, then it would really need to be set up as a dedicated subsection of the wiki specifically for mods.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 2:50 PM

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shrewd latch Even if it were allowed, then it would really need to be set up as a dedicated s...

Which means Emberpelts would likely end up with just a page, rather than the sprawling integrated system FT and IT currently have.

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so which platform looks best?

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Also, worth considering. The EP only need 1 bridge per length, because it has the auto-platform thing.
Should the IT use Tubeway (so you can't stack them) or Solid Tubeway for their bridges? (or both, or auto-type?)

shrewd latch Apr 23, 2025, 3:06 PM

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Hmm... In a vacuum, I like the two white variants best, but I tend to associate that more with the folktails, which have a lot of yellow and white. I tend to think of blue and orange as the primary colors of the Iron Teeth.

The only one I dislike is the solid brown one.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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yet the solid brown one is the most vanilla IT when compared to the bridge.

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I'm probably going to go with the 3rd one

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it will have a tube on top most of the time anyway

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:25 PM

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@stray dragon Emberpelts is broken after todays update.

📎 message.txt

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:27 PM

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Just disable Vertical Power Shaft mod !

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:30 PM

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wait, there was another update?

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that log is huge...

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:31 PM

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and, Unity change, too

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:32 PM

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stray dragon that log is huge...

Yup just ignore all of the beginning. 😂

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:33 PM

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so much crap added by more logs that I have no idea how to read, that it's making it difficult to read the actual error.

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Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseMetal.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_DarkBrown.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_Grey.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_Indigo.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material RoofPlanks.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material WindowsAtlas.IronTeeth is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_Brown.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseMetal.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material WindowsAtlas.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material IrregularPlanks_White.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material IrregularPlanks_LightBrown.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material IrregularPlanks_Brown.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_LightBrown.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material BaseWood_White.Folktails is already loaded.
Duplicate materials detected: System.InvalidOperationException: Material Details.Folktails is already loaded.

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Duplicate materials?

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IIRC, the game force crashes if a mod tries to load duplicate materials.

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:34 PM

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It means , Vertical Power shaft no longer works since in the base game now we have dynamic power shafts

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:34 PM

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though the error seems to be related to Timberborn.Beavers.BeaverFactory.Load()

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:34 PM

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weak monolith Just disable Vertical Power Shaft mod !

yup that is a mod that allows game to load duplicate material.
I think it's all the power shafts that causing the crash.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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wait, wasn't vertical power shafts a U6 mod?

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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weak monolith Just disable Vertical Power Shaft mod !

With Vertical Power Shaft mod disabled also it crashes.

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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stray dragon wait, wasn't vertical power shafts a U6 mod?

Yours. The T junction.

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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Not bob vertical ones 🤣

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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I don't see it on the list

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The T shafts are for IT only

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:36 PM

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stray dragon I don't see it on the list

I will send the logs with all other mod diabled.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:36 PM

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well, IT and FT

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:36 PM

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stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:36 PM

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well, now that I know there's an update, I'll just read my own crash log

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:37 PM

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weak monolith

Yeah, you can't just disable that, because for Emberpelts, it's built in

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The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object '') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.MechanicalSystemUI.MechanicalModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'PowerShaftIntersection.Emberpelts') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.ModelVariantSystem.NeighbourBasedModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object '') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.ModelVariantSystem.NeighbourBasedModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object '') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.MechanicalSystemUI.MechanicalModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.ModelVariantSystem.NeighbourBasedModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'PowerShaftVerticalTIntersection.Emberpelts') is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'PowerShaftVerticalTIntersection.Emberpelts') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.ModelVariantSystem.NeighbourBasedModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object '') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.MechanicalSystemUI.MechanicalModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'PowerShaftUpwardTIntersection.Emberpelts') is missing!
The referenced script (Timberborn.MechanicalSystemUI.MechanicalModelVariantProviderSpec) on this Behaviour is missing!
The referenced script on this Behaviour (Game Object 'PowerShaftDownwardTIntersection.Emberpelts') is missing!```

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:38 PM

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Disable that, since crash the game

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:38 PM

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weak monolith Disable that, since crash the game

but if he's running Emberpelts that won't fix it, because they're built into Emberpelts

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either way, now that I know there's a problem, I can fix it... or try to

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Yeah, I'm on IT now

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:39 PM

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so... MechanicalModelVariantProviderSpec

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Downward T:
Buildings\Power\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersection\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersectionLLL.Emberpelts
Buildings\Power\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersection\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersectionLLR.Emberpelts
Buildings\Power\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersection\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersectionRLL.Emberpelts
Buildings\Power\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersection\PowerShaftDownwardTIntersectionRLR.Emberpelts

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I've gotta screenshot and grab the text from these, before I update the DLLs, because I'm almost certain it's all going to just vanish when I update them

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on that note, it's not limited to my new ones.
'PowerShaftIntersection.Emberpelts'

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That's just the normal 4 way

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It's everything with more than 2 connections

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Intersection:
Buildings/Power/PowerShaftIntersection/PowerShaftIntersectionLLLL.Emberpelts
Buildings/Power/PowerShaftIntersection/PowerShaftIntersectionLRLL.Emberpelts
Buildings/Power/PowerShaftIntersection/PowerShaftIntersectionRLRL.Emberpelts
Buildings/Power/PowerShaftIntersection/PowerShaftIntersectionRRLL.Emberpelts

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:43 PM

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In the main game is only power shaft and solid power shaft (for vertical)

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:44 PM

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So, in game there is only two power shafts now.
Like the tube way.
One is normal (Which you can't stack)
One is solid (Which you can stack)

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:44 PM

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weak monolith In the main game is only power shaft and solid power shaft (for vertical)

Yeah, I'm guessing it's just a power shaft issue, but power shafts are... very finely calibrated, I don't want to lose that.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:44 PM

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lilac maple So, in game there is only two power shafts now. Like the tube way. One is norma...

wait... really?

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That's going to be... a nightmare.

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:44 PM

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dynamic power shaft, now

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:45 PM

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yes. It acts like tube way only. Dynamic. You can have really universal power shaft now. 😂
I think the same implementation like what you did for tube way would be awesome.

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:46 PM

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all power shaft are now Universal ones....

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:47 PM

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weak monolith all power shaft are now Universal ones....

Not the normal one right? you can't stack them.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 4:47 PM

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so if you disable my power shafts mod, would that make them go away (not migrated)?

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Might need a "Fix" mod for that.

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anyway, gotta AFK

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 4:47 PM

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You can, if is reachable by beavers (like upward and downward ones)

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 4:48 PM

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stray dragon so if you disable my power shafts mod, would that make them go away (not migrate...

Nope If I want to play emberpelts no. It's still crashing.

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With only Emberpelts enabled.

📎 message.txt

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:12 PM

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lilac maple Nope If I want to play emberpelts no. It's still crashing.

Yeah, that's what I said, Emberpelts have it built in.

plus it's erroring on all power shafts, not just vertical T, so I'll have to fix this.

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this isn't going to be a small update.

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it's basically... Abandon everything you've done for power shafts and start over.

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and I just earlier had someone post a suggestion saying I should add upward/downward corners.

shrewd latch Apr 23, 2025, 5:21 PM

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stray dragon Yeah, that's what I said, Emberpelts have it built in. plus it's erroring on al...

That would be because they removed all of the static power shafts entirely.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:26 PM

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this isn't a good starting point

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this is also not a good sign. This is freshly ripped assets, with updated DLL files.

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okay, I guess it hasn't imported the DLLs

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I pressed import, but it says "Waiting" for about 10 seconds, then just silently fails

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 5:31 PM

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stray dragon I pressed import, but it says "Waiting" for about 10 seconds, then just silently...

nothing new, force close the editor and open again. Will continue to import dll's

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:33 PM

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stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:33 PM

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weak monolith nothing new, force close the editor and open again. Will continue to import dll'...

I did, it didn't work

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 5:34 PM

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for me, has worked 😮 🤔

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:35 PM

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Okay, I guess it did

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anyway, question.

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Do I try and make a magic power shaft like I did with the tubeways?

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or keep the 2 different ones?

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 5:36 PM

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The existing ones, no need for more shafts.

lilac maple Apr 23, 2025, 5:43 PM

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stray dragon Do I try and make a magic power shaft like I did with the tubeways?

Magic please. LoveFT

weak monolith Apr 23, 2025, 5:44 PM

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lilac maple Magic please. <:LoveFT:887645571026931722>

But, it's on the main game, anyway

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 5:45 PM

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Considering all the pain the Tubeway one has caused, AND it's possible that it will still crash the game right now...

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probably not a good idea to do the magic one.

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though to be fair the last crash was "Failed to create Rubble in tile X,Y,Z, Rubble already exists"

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I wonder if instead of using a phantom block, I can just change the block occupations.

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Thinking about the Tube that is

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Turns out the update broke my tubeway script anyway

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Apparently I already change the Block Object spec to change Stackable.

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I could probably delete the phantom platform and change the block occupations at the same time

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 6:04 PM

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stray dragon wait, there was another update?

Ya that's what my steam comment was for lol

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 6:05 PM

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I think it's broken because of a variable name change.

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 6:07 PM

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Bobing you would really sub to the the announcements/update ping...

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 6:07 PM

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I think I should fix what is currently broken before trying to improve it

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Okay, now the hard part

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not only colouring all the Gears and Shafts again... but Animating them... the right way around.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Okay, I have... all the parts in unity

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now to wait 10 minutes for it to compile

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Crash...

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📎 2_Player_log_2025-04-23-19h49m00s.txt

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I don't even know what the error is here

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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It's crashing because BeaverFactory.Load() isn't working, but I don't know why that wouldn't be working.

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 9:24 PM

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stray dragon now to wait 10 minutes for it to compile

10m to compile just for a crash

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 9:25 PM

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yup

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So lets get these working versions released

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 9:30 PM

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what works

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 9:32 PM

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stray dragon

what in the bloody...

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Number of threads: 3
First uncaught exception at 2025-04-23 19:49:00Z

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 9:40 PM

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worn tusk ```k Number of threads: 3 First uncaught exception at 2025-04-23 19:49:00Z ```

what's wrong with that?

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Minor script fix to Tubeway Platform script, for 0.7.6.0 game changes.

Fixed Tappers Shack model.
Updated to new Power Shaft method.
And other bug fixes related to the update.```

```Vertical T Power Shafts:
This mod is now Redundant.
This version overwrites the new vanilla shafts to add migration.

worn tusk Apr 23, 2025, 9:52 PM

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stray dragon I don't even know what the error is here

i'm saying there's no error

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...displayed in player.log that caused the exception, it looks like

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 10:32 PM

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worn tusk ...displayed in player.log that caused the exception, it looks like

oh, it's bigger than discord will display.

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you have to download it to see the whole log.

stray dragon Apr 23, 2025, 10:57 PM

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I edited my platform script...

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Rethrow as Exception: Exception thrown while ticking entity 6e971a58-96be-4127-91c3-a6eb692dd9c5 'BeaverAdult(Clone)'
  at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableEntity.Tick () [0x0007a] in <ca12bf8997784354877c407ff4285d0c>:0

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what happened in this latest update...

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 12:00 AM

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stray dragon oh, it's bigger than discord will display.

I could only find the exception that occurred when trying to exception save but my eyes failed to find what caused the exception save to begin with, since it can't be the save error

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 12:01 AM

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stray dragon you have to download it to see the whole log.

It feel like you say this to me once a day, in a response to me loading the whole save file in notepad (i don't know any other way to read the whole log file than to open it)

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 12:06 AM

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worn tusk I could only find the exception that occurred when trying to exception save but ...

Ah, right

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Either way, since the latest update, it's being weird.

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 12:51 AM

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stray dragon Either way, since the latest update, it's being weird.

did the game always used to create saves with uncaught exceptions?

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because most of what i encountered was not including any map saves in my error log

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that only happened with caught exceptions

smoky helm Apr 24, 2025, 2:38 AM

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stray dragon not sure if the devs would be okay with adding a modded faction to the official ...

Since modding is legal or official. I don't feel like they would be against it but i feel like it might need a tag or something to differentiate from OG factions

smoky helm Apr 24, 2025, 2:42 AM

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stray dragon Which means Emberpelts would likely end up with just a page, rather than the spr...

Github allow website hosting. Thats what i was thinking. Make a page in wiki and redirect to the github wiki for details

raw night Apr 24, 2025, 4:53 AM

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you know, I almost have to laugh. I was just asking over in JC beard's server whether we might get magic power shafts like the tubeways for Emberpelts. And I come here to find that they're already being discussed. yes, please do make that!

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 6:24 AM

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raw night you know, I almost have to laugh. I was just asking over in JC beard's server wh...

I can reuse tube code for this on a power shaft, but I want to stabilise the code first.

raw night Apr 24, 2025, 6:25 AM

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cool

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 6:25 AM

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There's still a couple ways you can crash the game with this code.

raw night Apr 24, 2025, 6:25 AM

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ah. oh. hope you can find and squash those bugs quickly

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 6:27 AM

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There is a change I want to try and make when I have time. We'll see if that changes any crashes.

raw night Apr 24, 2025, 9:37 AM

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cool

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 9:52 AM

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Just not until after work.

raw night Apr 24, 2025, 10:44 AM

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I don't have my replacement computer yet, so can't play anyway right now, I can wait 😉

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:11 AM

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Yeah, I should look into a new computer too... but they're not cheap these days. You can pay as much just for a motherboard as you used to for motherboard, CPU and RAM.

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Then the graphics cards, the entry level ones like a 4060 are as much as the high end cards like a 1080.

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Some of the prices are crazy

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Funny that a card model number lik 4060 is less good than a smaller numbered 1080

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:12 AM

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At least the price of SSDs has come down, it uses to be like £300 for a TB, now it's closer to £100

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:12 AM

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doesn't really understand NVidia anything tbh

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:13 AM

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tight oyster _doesn't really understand NVidia anything tbh_

The 4060 would be better than a 1080, it's 3 generations newer. I'm just saying 1080 was high end where 4060 is considered entry level.

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:13 AM

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GT 1030 still performs better than iGPU

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:14 AM

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worn tusk GT 1030 still performs better than iGPU

If the iGPU is Intel?

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:14 AM

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Oh that makes sense

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:14 AM

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from the very simple basis that GDDR4 is faster than DDR4

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you cant get VRAM without a video card. that's my primary loss with iGPU

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:14 AM

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I know AMD a bit more but even then model numbers are lost on me in general

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Nvidia did weird numbers. They went from the 100 series, to the 200 series... 300, 400, FX (5000), 6000, 7000, 9000, 100 (mobile only), 200 (low end only), 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 and now 5000 is the next gen.

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:17 AM

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back to FX i hope lmao

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RTX FX series

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with the worlds largest GPU heatsink and fan

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6 PCI high

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:18 AM

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I doubt it. That's from the era when you had the Athlon XP and Windows XP

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X was the in thing.

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Elon is about 2 decades late with x.com

weak monolith Apr 24, 2025, 11:18 AM

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Sine I have to fix every day 2 or 3 melted power connectors on NVidia board, I don't recommend those boards.

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Though, ITV renamed their streaming service to ITVX, so maybe X is making a comeback?

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:19 AM

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weak monolith Sine I have to fix every day 2 or 3 melted power connectors on NVidia board, I d...

If I got an Nvidia, I'd probably go for a 4060.

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I just want more VRAM

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16GB minimum

weak monolith Apr 24, 2025, 11:20 AM

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No need, for all current games on market, 8 Gb is enough, more is just money lost

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:20 AM

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stray dragon I doubt it. That's from the era when you had the Athlon XP and Windows XP

oh that takes me back to my Athon single-core CPU back in grade school

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:21 AM

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My current old card is 8, and that's 10 years old, so by that logic I should greet a 32GB graphics card or something. The PC was 32GB, so I guess I need about 128GB now.

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:21 AM

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-# The nice part of having a Mac Studio is I don't have to get individual parts (at the cost of lack of custom things I guess)

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:21 AM

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do u deal with large datasets

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like 64-bit Excel is not useful to 99% of excel users

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:22 AM

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I just like being able to run more than 1 thing t once

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Timberborn easily eats 6 to 8GB

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:23 AM

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well i sincerely hope you beat me to a new computer as i'd like to see emberpelts take less time to compile for ya

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:23 AM

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Then I have IdleOn running too... if the PC is running, IdleOn probably is. That doesn't use much RAM, maybe 2GB, but it does use nearly a full CPU core.

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Then there's probably Chrome open with a YouTube video playing.

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With all that, plus unity and rider and other stuff, my PC is about 80% RAM usage, with the CPU maxed out, and while the GPU is mostly just Idling, it's RAM is mostly filled.

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The problem is when I run Barotrauma, I have to close everything else, otherwise it chugs.

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CPU bottleneck

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 11:26 AM

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Is it properly multithreaded

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:26 AM

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But yeah, the dilemma with compiling emberpelts is... it would go faster if I closed Chrome, or IdleOn, but then I'd be bored waiting for it.

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:27 AM

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worn tusk Is it properly multithreaded

No, that's a single core hog

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It'll be running flat out at 25% CPU usage, and won't go higher.

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It's a 4 core 8 thread CPU

shrewd latch Apr 24, 2025, 11:28 AM

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Is IdleOn an idle game, or something else?

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:28 AM

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It's an idle, platformer RPG hybrid.

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You have up to 10 chars, you log one out mining for example, then when you log them back in, you get AFK time ores and mining exp.

And while he's idle, you might be logged into a mage with autoplay turned on killing monsters.

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Some things need to be done actively, logged in, but you can turn auto on, other things need to be done AFK, that's logged out. Most things can be done either way.

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Its free to play, but buying packs usually helps. You can unlock most things with time, the only thing I'd say you should really pay for is auto loot. That means that if you wait a couple of seconds, drops are automatically placed in your inventory.

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And autoloot isn't really an issue until later game where you turn on auto, and the whole screen of enemies dies withing seconds, the respawns seconds later, over and over again, with loot spewing everywhere.

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Almost all classes eventually level up into a walking genocide machine.

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The main exception so far is the secret class, who's basically your family bonuses guy. Family is the word that refers to every char collectively on your account.

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He exists to boost everyone else... and go mining.

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There's so many errors in what I typed... thanks phone.

shrewd latch Apr 24, 2025, 11:44 AM

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Oh, right, if the devs were to ever allow mods to be listed on the wiki, the correct way to do it would be pagenames like Mods/Emberpelts/Clay Pit. basically Mods/Emberpelts would be the base.
It isn't used much for regular wiki pages becuase it looks ugly as a title.

I still don't expect it to happen, but that would be how.

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:44 AM

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It makes sense

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 12:19 PM

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I spent so long just getting Emberpelts to work, I forgot to check if the power shafts spin thr right way.

dark summit Apr 24, 2025, 12:29 PM

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worn tusk GT 1030 still performs better than iGPU

That just isn't correct anymore for the new AMD stuff coming out, if anything they're closer to a 1660ti

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 12:30 PM

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Wait, 1660 has a TI?

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TI used to be reserved for "Better than the highest number", and I had a 7950GX2

dark summit Apr 24, 2025, 12:33 PM

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stray dragon Wait, 1660 has a TI?

Yep, 2000 series cards were the start of extra dumb names from Nvidia

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 12:37 PM

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And the 1660 is just a 2060 without rays

worn tusk Apr 24, 2025, 4:12 PM

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dark summit That just isn't correct anymore for the new AMD stuff coming out, if anything th...

Ah I'm a bit behind, what APU/SoC can benchmark VRAM as fast as a dedicated card?

dark summit Apr 24, 2025, 5:26 PM

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worn tusk Ah I'm a bit behind, what APU/SoC can benchmark VRAM as fast as a dedicated car...

That's entirely relative, the latest DDR5 8000 is going to be faster than most of the cards that came with GDDR5. There's a huge range of memory speed for GPUs

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:23 PM

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There might be something going on with injuries, I keep fluctuating between 15-30 injuries and I think equal vanilla buildings aren't doin' that

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:34 PM

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Fixed a power shaft model animation direction.

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:34 PM

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coral magnet There might be something going on with injuries, I keep fluctuating between 15-3...

hmmm

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:35 PM

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I know, weird, my injuries peaked to 30 and are right now at 10 and I haven't done anything, it's been playing in the background

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might be a vanilla thing or an emberpelts thing, unsure

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minimum of 8 injured beavers, peak of 30, something seems off

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:41 PM

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what even causes injury here...

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Clay pit does, probably shouldn't, gonna change that to WetFurBad

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:43 PM

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ShrugFT

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might have been some type of singularity or something, I'll post if it goes back up again

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Since I'm making that change... should working in any other building give any other type of negative effect?

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EG, water pump giving wet fur

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:48 PM

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unsure, I guess no

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:49 PM

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As far as I can tell, all other buildings that can cause injury are on par with Vanilla versions

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:50 PM

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coolio, it hasn't picked back up again so maybe it was some type of normalization period after I built them spare beds

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One thing that came to mind, idk why there's to sunbathing beavers

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a solarium would be nice, can't be covered by anything, fulfills recreation

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I just picture a beaver with one of those 3 part sun reflecting screens just laying down chillin'

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:53 PM

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not sure there's a way to say you can't build anything above a building.

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:53 PM

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sad, I guess if they implement that they'll have to use it with crops first 😬

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 8:53 PM

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also, I don't know how to make animations, and I'm not sure there's an appropriate animation for sunbathing.

coral magnet Apr 24, 2025, 8:54 PM

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one can dream

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 9:17 PM

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I forgot I have my name generator turned on

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Great names 🙂

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 9:31 PM

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you're not gonna fine Cokenose here though. I removed Coke from the list.

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Awwww

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:15 PM

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You want me to add it back in?

tight oyster Apr 24, 2025, 11:15 PM

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No, just being silly

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:15 PM

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ok

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I finally figured out how to update block occupations of a block object, so I can get rid of the phantom block.

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that means no more log spam

shrewd latch Apr 24, 2025, 11:17 PM

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Yay!

stray dragon Apr 24, 2025, 11:17 PM

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I'm not sure if it's more stable though, so I'm not sure if I want to make the stackable power shafts.

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you know, auto

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One of the main issues with it is the cost difference. Normal is just 2 logs, but stackable also has 2 planks and a gear.

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and you have to unlock it with 80 science

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while the auto upgradable one would be cool... it's probably better to have seperate ones because of the costs.

vague glacier Apr 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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stray dragon not sure there's a way to say you can't build anything above a building.

Couldn't you just make it really tall (possibly without the model actually drawing anything up top...)

worn tusk Apr 25, 2025, 4:49 AM

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sharp glacier Apr 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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Oh that's almost really nice! I'm not sure the magenta teeth are great, but I like the stained glass wood look.

tight oyster Apr 25, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Make them Orange? Like real beaver teeth?

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 6:33 AM

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vague glacier Couldn't you just make it really tall (possibly without the model actually drawi...

But then you hit the top of the map and can't build it.

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 6:33 AM

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worn tusk

Pastal colored Greg.

worn tusk Apr 25, 2025, 12:29 PM

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sharp glacier Oh that's *almost* really nice! I'm not sure the magenta teeth are great, but I...

worn tusk Apr 25, 2025, 1:06 PM

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tight oyster Make them Orange? Like real beaver teeth?

too orange?

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"turn all black outlines silver"

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just some experiments

shrewd latch Apr 25, 2025, 1:26 PM

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I think the teeth really need to be metal, though I do like the glowing blue cyberbot.

worn tusk Apr 25, 2025, 1:32 PM

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shrewd latch I think the teeth really need to be metal, though I do like the glowing blue cyb...

that one was my favorite. i may explore more attempts at full neon outline

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 1:50 PM

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worn tusk just some experiments

Some nice ones here. Someone went a bit light, yet wild on the yellow paint on that middle one.

worn tusk Apr 25, 2025, 1:54 PM

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stray dragon Some nice ones here. Someone went a bit light, yet wild on the yellow paint on t...

"retexture gold foil"

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whereas first one was "make everything gold" then "darken outline"

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looks like a worn Tonka truck

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 1:56 PM

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Yes

tropic jackal Apr 25, 2025, 2:56 PM

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worn tusk

Bruh it’s a shiny robo beaver

upper bane Apr 25, 2025, 3:10 PM

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stray dragon Pastal colored Greg.

Speaking of Greg, what about an old Greg variant 🤣

tropic jackal Apr 25, 2025, 5:37 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-old-gregg-mighty-boosh-baileys-shoe-gif-12201144

Tenor

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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nope, can't say I've ever done that.

tropic jackal Apr 25, 2025, 5:49 PM

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stray dragon nope, can't say I've ever done that.

lol

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 9:27 PM

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https://youtu.be/8FuLywKQLXc?t=1625
I have to completely agree with what he's saying here, and that's what I was going for.

YouTube

JC The Beard

Time to say goodbye! Timberborn Emberpelts U7 Hard Mode Ep32 Finale

It's been a fun series, let's fix some nagging stuff and then say goodbye as we prepare to move on to what's next!

Game saves available here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bqAK-qNoyaBoWKHsCGrFw3Ot1dN5qRwv?usp=sharing

MODS/MAP USED
Badwater Ridge Map: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3346452778
Emberpelts Faction...

▶ Play video

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Feels like a natural extension to Vanilla, with a few fun additions.

urban linden Apr 25, 2025, 9:59 PM

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this is very true

strong pebble Apr 25, 2025, 11:18 PM

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stray dragon https://youtu.be/8FuLywKQLXc?t=1625 I have to completely agree with what he's sa...

I just started watching that series. On episode 5. They look cool.

stray dragon Apr 25, 2025, 11:26 PM

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strong pebble I just started watching that series. On episode 5. They look cool.

Thanks~

raw night Apr 26, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I finally got my replacement computer and figured out which mods were crashing timberborn on launch, so I'm back into my own u7 emberpelts playthrough

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lovin it ^_^

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hmm, a green beaver lol

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battery smooth hehehe

stray dragon Apr 26, 2025, 1:16 PM

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raw night battery smooth hehehe

Ah yes, there's 4 named beavers of unique colour. Unless you install or make a mod to add more.

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Script pack adds the tools to let people easily add more.

raw night Apr 26, 2025, 1:17 PM

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hehehehehe ah

shrewd latch Apr 26, 2025, 1:18 PM

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Bobingabout
battery_smooth
lapantouflemagic

What is the last one?

raw night Apr 26, 2025, 1:21 PM

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love it ^_^

worn tusk Apr 26, 2025, 1:37 PM

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shrewd latch * Bobingabout * battery_smooth * lapantouflemagic What is the last one?

tobbert

stray dragon Apr 26, 2025, 3:09 PM

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This is what I landed on for Tubeway Bridge platforms

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I think it fits

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shrewd latch Apr 26, 2025, 3:11 PM

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It looks great!

stray dragon Apr 26, 2025, 3:24 PM

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I can't post the bridges mod until I update the script pack

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and I can't post the script pack update until I'm done testing the other chagnes.

strong pebble Apr 26, 2025, 3:40 PM

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stray dragon

Those look cool. Hope they are relatively expensive because they will save so much in resources.

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I look forward to using them.

stray dragon Apr 26, 2025, 3:47 PM

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strong pebble Those look cool. Hope they are relatively expensive because they will save so mu...

I don't remember, but they do cost whatever tubes normally cost, plus what bridges cost, plus 2 metal per bridge extension.... or something like that.

stray dragon Apr 26, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Change log:

Update for the Tubeway Platform script, to change block occupations instead of using a phantom block.
BobingaboutTubePlatformBlockObjectSpec is now redundant.
Added new script ITTubePlatform, which is a copy of the Tube Platform script with coordinates, for use on Iron Teeth Bridges.
Changes to BobingaboutTubeBridgeModel so that it no longer draws the base tube connected to the bridge, when you've deleted the tube section it wants to connect to.

Changed Clay Pit to give a chance of Wet Fur instead of Injury.
Removed the phantom Tubeway platform block, as it's redundant with new script pack.
Other slight tubeway clean ups.
Fixed accessibility when you build on Gristmill roof.

Released```

urban linden Apr 26, 2025, 7:17 PM

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did I fail at Emberpelts?

weak monolith Apr 26, 2025, 7:21 PM

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urban linden did I fail at Emberpelts?

More likely, wrong faction. Should be waterbeavers 🤣

urban linden Apr 26, 2025, 7:22 PM

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such traitors

vague glacier Apr 26, 2025, 10:17 PM

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So the question is... how do emberpelts feel about swimming in badwater? Do they like the red color more than they hate the wet fur?

raw night Apr 26, 2025, 10:22 PM

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lol

shrewd latch Apr 26, 2025, 10:37 PM

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vague glacier So the question is... how do emberpelts feel about swimming in badwater? Do they...

They hate it even more: wet fur plus contamination, and a much more annoying recipie for decontamination.

vague glacier Apr 26, 2025, 10:37 PM

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no, that just means it's bad for them. There are plenty of things that are fun but bad for you

strong pebble Apr 26, 2025, 11:54 PM

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Emberpelts need their own form of transportation. Like maybe something like a tramway.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Sounds like choo choo mod

strong pebble Apr 27, 2025, 1:55 AM

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Choo choo is cool. Never played with it yet, but from the description it does not move beavers only goods. I was thinking more along the lines of ziplines and tubes, but something unique to the Emberpelts.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 2:26 AM

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I'd have to look into things.

Just consider if I were to add something like that, would I want to keep tubeways?

Plus, you'd need to have something that is both something I can actually manage to do, and solid enough to compete with tubeways.

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Anyway...

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There were a few big changes the last update, anyone have any feedback or issues on the changes?

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 2:42 AM

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I mean, the changes were kind of minor both in code, and visualised effect, but it changed the way things happen, especially with tubeway bridges, and the emberpelts tube.

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And both changes effect the emberpelts tubeway bridges.

tight oyster Apr 27, 2025, 11:57 AM

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raw night I'll admit I laughed just as hard as he did when the beaver washing machine came...

I /finally/ got up to this and I'm losing it over this fantastic device

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(Sorry for off-topic and the ping)

raw night Apr 27, 2025, 11:57 AM

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see I told you it was that funny

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😉

tight oyster Apr 27, 2025, 11:58 AM

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And then ||he clicked the "follow beaver" button and the camera omg||

raw night Apr 27, 2025, 11:58 AM

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lol yeah

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||One way to ticket to motion sickness right there||

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I had actually been wondering if you got to that point, I'd been intending to ask you at some point 😉

tight oyster Apr 27, 2025, 12:00 PM

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I mostly watch these before bed or random unwind times so it's taken a moment

raw night Apr 27, 2025, 12:01 PM

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nod, ah

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but yeah, that is just diabolical 😉

tight oyster Apr 27, 2025, 12:01 PM

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Lapan is a genius for sure

raw night Apr 27, 2025, 12:02 PM

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the initial "what the <quack>" when it ||started lifting up||. lol

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along with that dystopian music, of course 😉

vague glacier Apr 27, 2025, 2:02 PM

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The clear response to the Water Beavers having washing machine technology is that the Emberpelts need to invent a dryer

weak monolith Apr 27, 2025, 2:05 PM

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A super fast hot air wirlpool to wipe water from wet beavers, then ?

vague glacier Apr 27, 2025, 2:09 PM

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Plus some kind of spinner drum so they can also get a motion-sickness camera

fallow imp Apr 27, 2025, 2:18 PM

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My take for an Emberpelts dryer could be using the model of the old district gate (3 stacked on 2 blocks) and when they walk through flames get thrown to the outside of the gates.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 3:30 PM

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The problem with a drier is that it can't actually cure wet fur. If it does, beavers treat Wet Fur like Injury, and will immediately leave work to get dried when wet, which is okay if you have a zero wet travel situation (at which point, why do you need a drier?), but if a beaver travels through water on the way to work, they just get stuck in a loop of running between work, and the drier, and never get any work done.

vague glacier Apr 27, 2025, 3:41 PM

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Hmm. Could you make wet fur like "beaver is unwell", where it takes 12 hours (or whatever) before the "beaver is contaminated" debuff actually kicks in (and sends them off to the drier)? Or is that a very hard-coded special case?

shrewd latch Apr 27, 2025, 3:43 PM

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stray dragon The problem with a drier is that it can't actually cure wet fur. If it does, bea...

It's honestly funny how the wellbeing system can offer so many broad possibilities while simultaneously being incredibly restricting with any sort of edge case.

vague glacier Apr 27, 2025, 3:47 PM

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My other recent musing now that we have tubeways that have a movement speed boost - can you make a one-way nav mesh? Because then you could make waterslide parts that are like one-way stairs, that require water (like the pool/lido/shower to operate), and move you fast but in the downhill direction only. And then give them a Fun need so beavers would climb back up a (normal) staircase to do it again.

Obviously not an activity any self-respecting Emberpelt would ever engage in.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 4:10 PM

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vague glacier My other recent musing now that we have tubeways that have a movement speed boos...

You say "One way nav mesh" and I'm like "That's already a thing.", it's a completely different thing than you're thinking though.

Basically, the way the game is written, lets take stairs as a decent starting example.
The mesh will be... The edge at 0,0,0 facing south, is one way, 0,0,0 to 0,-1,0.
The edge at 0,0,1 facing north is one way, connecting to 0,1,1.
then the edge at 0,0,0 Top (going up) is 2 way to 0,0,1.

sim within the entity, you're free to move between 0,0,0 and 0,0,1 in either direction, but can only exit the entity to 0,-1,0 or 0,1,1.

so if you place 2 stairs next to each other so 0,0,1 north is against the other stairs 0,0,0 south, well, you then have the same edge where object 1 is one way into object 2, while object 2 also has one way into object 1 on the same edge.

This creates a 2 way connection, and connects the nav mesh.

So that's basically how it works. You need 2 way for them to connect, so all unconnected edges are just 1 way.

strong pebble Apr 27, 2025, 4:41 PM

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@stray dragon no pressure or anything, but I would like to request a mod similar to the "Tubeway Levee" mod but only for power shafts. It would be great to be able to build them through the side of dams.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 4:42 PM

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Power Levees?

shrewd latch Apr 27, 2025, 4:42 PM

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strong pebble <@165886649513803776> no pressure or anything, but I would like to request a mod...

Already exists.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 4:42 PM

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I think Knatte Anke's Water Expansion covers that.

shrewd latch Apr 27, 2025, 4:43 PM

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Water Extention - Power Edition for U7
Water Extention for U6

Yes, they are misspelled. It's a running joke at this point.

stray dragon Apr 27, 2025, 4:45 PM

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¦3

strong pebble Apr 27, 2025, 4:47 PM

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Oh did not know that. Cool thanks.

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Does water extension - power edition for u7 work with Emberpelts?

shrewd latch Apr 27, 2025, 4:52 PM

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strong pebble Does water extension - power edition for u7 work with Emberpelts?

Check and see. If it doesn't, it should be fairly trivial to make it work.

strong pebble Apr 27, 2025, 5:50 PM

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it does work 🙂

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Is it possible to get get the platform and overhangs to go from here.

#Emberpelts - New faction!