Water Beaver Overhaul

[cloud flax]

Got a lot more things to curse about and lot more complex recipies

Tbh after playing whitepaws ... I just can't go back to Vanilla 🫣

[abstract vector]

All three modded factions are head and shoulders above the vanilla ones TBH

[cloud flax]

True. Yet to play emberpelts or leafcoats but have watched their gameplay and they as well seem really good

But WBO for sure has the most breadth and depth

#whitePAWsupremacy

[stone spruce]

I love the base game but all of the modded factions are better to play with IMO. Whitepaws as my go-to, Emberpelts if I'm feeling 'more vanilla'.

[shell fiber]

welcome back 😊
i'm working on version 1.0 but recently time is scarce

oh, thanks, i hadn't noticed the update yet, i'll go fix the small mods asap

[shell fiber]

Holy cow ! this is neat !

[sullen cape]

I was gonna post this
Hmm if I don't collect waste rock from destroying tunnels it deletes itself, I swear I didn't cheat 😂

[shell fiber]

hurray ! hurray !

the tutorial is blueprint-ified 😊

or seems like it

[abstract vector]

[stone spruce]

Thank you 🙂

[sullen cape]

So I am a maniac 🤣
Context: The mine/abyss is buried deep underground, but I still wanted ziplines to get my beavers there and back quickly
The roof is very shallow, everything you see here is in a cave system

[woeful sun]

Has been since 1.0.3 at least (I don't have older versions around to check)

[cloud flax]

My parade of balloons

[cloud flax]

Finally done this long awaited project!! how much do you think it might be generating?

[shell fiber]

something tells me this could be a couple of airships 😅

[shell fiber]

not enough

whelp, thanks to the karyotyping microscope not working correctly, i probably have some modding time today$

[cloud flax]

Oh they are just scouting balloons so that I can make pilots license

Gotta say it's one of the more troublesome recipie

If you de get into messing with assets, can you fix the hitbox for gravity batteries

[shell fiber]

doesn't it work to just have one guy scouting forever, so you have plenty of exploration maps when you need them ? at least that was the intent 🤔

[cloud flax]

Oh I just want to fill up my storage... So need 300*100 exploration points

I have like 80 pilots license done till now iirc

[shell fiber]

ooh, i see 😅

[cloud flax]

Btw would it be considered cheating if I put all those buildings that don't require workers to operate but still act as houses in a separate district and just put bot haulers there

[shell fiber]

at the point you're at... meh, i doesn't matter anymore does it ?

[cloud flax]

Naaah not really. But helps with performance

[sullen cape]

Maybe if it was a dam it would be "cheating"

[cloud flax]

I was thinking of doing that 🫣

But I didn't!!

[cloud flax]

What is the water tolerance level for bamboo XD

[cloud flax]

Removed my Storage towers and made them into more flat nice grid

Industrial District storage and added new drills

Moved All clock work towers away from main city to the edge. can appreciate them much better like this and city as well looks much better

remenants of the old clockwork towers and the last storage tower yet to be decided where it is to be placed

And finally more water wheels!!!!

Converted the ever blossoms tree farm to pine trees and added another bamboo farm. You can just never have enough of it....

This looks sooo good

[shell fiber]

should be 7m, and yes, sapling should barely poke out of the water then 😅

[cloud flax]

Looks like my reservoir was just the right depth

[shell fiber]

darn, that's a lot 😅

[shell fiber]

what's this strange area up north ? will the several statues of dunking and the petanque courts ?

[cloud flax]

It's a stadium i had made

[shell fiber]

oh, i see 😅

[cloud flax]

This stadium

This was after i actually built it. Can see the statue of dunking

[true bridge]

Stupid question, are White Paws and water beavers the same thing?

[woeful sun]

Yes

[lucid flame]

I'm confused how people are playing this faction. I look daily on steam but it's only U6 & U7 but they crash. Is there another way to play?

[woeful sun]

People are playing on U6 and U7, there's no V1.0 for this faction yet

[lucid flame]

On Steam? I can't get U6 to work.

[sullen cape]

For U6 you'll need to download all the mods manually from mod.io
If you'd like we can guide you 🙂

[lucid flame]

That would be fantastic, thank you so much because I wouldn't know where to start.

[sullen cape]

So the last update before Update 7 was 4.3.7

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/water-beaver-overhaul

In the download section on the right of the page, you'll want to click on "View 124 (or more) versions, and scroll down until you find 4.3.7

Now, Water beavers has a lot of other mods that need to be installed as well as Waterbeavers

The mods are:

TimberAPI
2-tall small storage+
Logstairs
Billboards
More Groups
I can't remember if U6 needs Harmony or not
Lapantouflemagic's Texture Pack

I'm not sure if the older versions are needed here or not, I think most of them work with U6 but feel free to correct me

Have you worked with files and folders that have been "zipped" or compressed before?

[lucid flame]

I know I downloaded mods from mod.io before mods were available on steam. It's been awhile and I never manually downloaded mods before. Do they need to be in a certain folder?

I downloaded the 4.3.7 and it's currently in my downloads folder.

I downloaded all the Dependency mods as well

[cloud flax]

Tbh i would highly recommend to play the U7 version! It's way more worked out and balanced and not much of a hassle to work with using steam mods

[sullen cape]

I would to, but I'm okay if you'd like to play U6 only Chris-Ann 🙂

[sullen cape]

Yes they do, on Windows for U7, and maybe U6 it's Documents/Timberborn/Mods

[lucid flame]

After many hours of trial and errors, I'm down to one missing mod, "Timberborn.IgorZ.TimberCommons" but I cannot seem to locate that mod anywhere. I was able to at least get the faction to pull up but I'm not able to select the faction to play. Any thoughts?

[radiant arch]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/timber-commons#description

[lucid flame]

Thank you very much, greatly appreciate it

[lucid flame]

Thank you everyone for your help, unfortunately, I could not get it to work. Not sure, but it said I was missing TimberCommons, I downloaded it and it kept giving me the same error. I tried multiple times, but it just kept crashing. I'll just wait until it's available on Steam. But I do appreciate everyone that pitched me a solution and directions.

[woeful sun]

Which version did you use?

[sullen cape]

It sounds like you're nearly there

[sullen cape]

Update 7 is on Steam right now for WhitePaws though

[shell fiber]

i'm getting reasonnably close to a prototype release for 1.0, there's still a couple of things to hack at but i'm steadily progressing

[shell fiber]

sorry for your trouble, it's always a mess between two major updates since some mods have updated and some have not, but with a bit of perseverance i'm sure things will work out 🙂

[spring heath]

Make sure timbercommons is near the top of your load order. Water beavers/whitepaws should be at the very bottom. I think I usually put harmony first, then timbercommons, then everything else with WB last. Double check for any yellow warning signs ⚠️ in your load order and follow the instructions when you hover over them :)

[shell fiber]

made a long-overdue improvement to the aquifer upgrade 🙂

also, it now uses the water seep limiter, so it won't fill above 0.6

which is enough to be blocked by a primitive dam

[lucid flame]

I completely understand and I appreciate all the time you have put into this mod.

[lucid flame]

From the above instructions, I downloaded 4.3.7 version, and I was able to get it to pop up as an option to play, but the select button wasn't highlighted. I will try again, this mod makes playing so much more fun and challenging.

[shell fiber]

i don't remember specifically about the version you're trying to run, but some of the older version require you to start a folktails game to unlock the faction

[lucid flame]

I download timbercommons and it never showed up in my list, even tho I downloaded it several times and made sure it was in the correct fold. It kept telling me I needed it. So, not sure what that was about

[lucid flame]

It did, I started folktails, received the notices that it was unlocked and was available, but tried to start a new game and it crashed.

[spring heath]

progress! someone in here cleverer than me can probably decipher your error log if you send it

[shell fiber]

enough for today for me

i've loaded pretty much every building except the fences that are kind of fiddly

and the power shafts that i couldn't get to work yet

i need to solve some visual bug on the abyssal nuclear reactor

and then...

the plants 😓

uuugh 😫

anyway, GN !

[spring heath]

gn!

[true bridge]

Gn. Looking forward for the v1 update.

[sullen cape]

Oh looks good, love the tall nozzle!

[shell fiber]

ah, wait no crap, i forgot that doesn't constrain the pipe to fall on solid ground 🤔

aah, unless...

[shell fiber]

yep, that worked, the "occupy all below" box works just fine 🙂

[shell fiber]

ugh

at last

[shell fiber]

For the record I don't think I'll be able to push a v1.0 update before the new year.

At best I could possibly get a prototype sort of functional but I have to solve the new issue with buildings now flooding if the doorstep is wet (used to be the door)
And then there is the new buildings to poke at (steam vent, proper aquifer drill, science relics)

I'll be on a Christmas trip starting next week so no modding in sight for almost 3 weeks

Oh and if possible I want to make a proper tutorial but with a bit of luck I can do that purely with specs so I might stuff the data in my tablet and do it when I have nothing to do.

[stone spruce]

We appreciate you working on it at all 🙂

[lucid flame]

I truly appreciate everything you are and have done to get this mod working. I cannot even imagine what all is involved, but what I do know is it's a great mod and I thank you.

[sullen cape]

Thanks Lapan! I need to finish my U7 play though anyway lol 😅

[shell fiber]

actually the plants may be not as obtuse as i feared

or rather, the wiggle map seems optionnal

[sullen cape]

I don't think cabbages need to wiggle? That's a weird mental image 🤣

[woeful sun]

yea, wiggles are optional,

They were discussed here: #🤖mod-creators message

[shell fiber]

okay, i think we have everything...

except the wonder 😑

and the new assets of course

[cloud flax]

Wish you have some good rest and enjoy the holidays with your loved ones!!! Take careeee

[cloud flax]

750 kg???

oooh its the ranged district crossing bonus!!!

but it only has the capacity for like 30... does it ever get fully utilised???

[radiant arch]

those giant logs i'd say. anvils are heavy too

unlikely to get to 750..

[cloud flax]

could be one of the achievements tbh...

[viscid jacinth]

Wow, those pines are pretty.

[cloud flax]

Got another bot only District for my clock work farms and just storing extra liquids so that i dont have to worry about the population boom 🙈

All under this mountain, hidden from prying eyes

[shell fiber]

giand sequoia saplings 😉

[cloud flax]

Is battery part of the generator??

[shell fiber]

no that was just to test it

It's really a clone of the ft one with a custom model

I think I'll eventually add a better one, but for those maps where this is your only source of power (no shaming wheel in this faction) I needed something that is not science locked

It still needs one gear so that's for after you've rebuild the DC

Ah also since the builder hubs can now store junk, I think the glorious storages should have a decorative aura again 🤔

Since early on, there is really no reason to build those anymore

I might also increase the storage cap and science lock them then 🤔

[cloud flax]

Would I be easily able to have store 1000s of anvils soon 🫣

[cloud flax]

Maybe have the ability to stack them vertically? Like the steam is just gonna go up....

Also you likely tagged the wrong guy in chat i think 😅

[stone spruce]

I had noticed that XD

[shell fiber]

suggestions ?

i really had eyeballed this stystem in quite a sloppy way

but now instead of giving whatever probability to each effect, i have to fit them in likelyhood categories

but i should be able to add custom ones (constant, rare, frequent, exceptionnal)

right now i feel there is way too many small injuries

and waaay not enough diseases

also, don't get fooled by the apparently low percentage, since it's on an hourly basis, 2% chance is going to be rolled 16 times on a 16h work day

(assuming 100% work efficiency)

so that means the likely hood of not getting hit with something is 0.98^16

so "only" 72% chance of finishing the day unhurt

[stone spruce]

The gnawing tent, possibly down to Low. It's early game and chewing wood is basically what a beaver is built to do. The bucket, possibly mild chance of disease? It's kinda gross stuff -- who knows what kinda crap is growing in there. Everything else I've no thoughts on

[shell fiber]

hmm... yeah but broken teeth is also trivial to heal 🤔

in terms of diseases, the only thing i can see as arguably capable of causing disease is all the dust inducing stuff 🤔 like the sawmills and factory

in addition to the mines of course

oh, speaking of which, i completely forgot about the abyss stuff

oh well

[cloud flax]

Diseases in food based processing? Beavers doing the taste test should be prone to bad stomach for sure

Also firefly grooming station should be prone... They might as well get maimed if they get too close to the firefly

Trader beavers will also be exposed to tons of exotic diseases

Alchemist inhaling all the fumes

Lumberjacks, tappers shack, harvesters office for broken teeth

Not sure how the numbers are working btw...

Also maybe haulers builders, exercise plaza may add to filth from all the sweat?? Or would it be too much?

[shell fiber]

Problem is there is no actual beaver working the balloon, but maybe I can do something about that 🤔

[shell fiber]

That's more of a recipe for insanity or contamination 😅

[shell fiber]

That would be an idea but the "accident" script is only for manufactory buildings 😓

[woeful sun]

Hat-Making Chemicals (death of inhaling there-of from Irregular Webcomics)

Should be correctly spelled as IN'ALIN' 'ATMAKIN' CHEMICALS (ref)

[shell fiber]

before

after 😈

i also reduced the science points provided to 50/250/1000 instead of 200/800/3000

[woeful sun]

oh, dear, those look appropriately cursed.

Is there a risk of getting injured/sick/infected when collecting them? (It looks like there should be)

[shell fiber]

very much so

you probably shouldn't tell your beaver to collect the big one, or you surely shouldn't forget about it 😅

right now it makes them contaminated

although the material is glowing too hard because i still havent rebuild the ressource pack

the lighting is different from U7 so everything is very glowy

and i'm missing the dirt/mud junk under the items but that's an issue for later

[shell fiber]

i shouldn't forget that

[shell fiber]

well, since i made lots of progress in far less time than i though, i'll probably be pushing a prototype update today 🙂

it should be fairly complete, save for all the stuff i forgot about

reassuring isn't it ?

[true bridge]

Love to see it. How can I help with tests?

[shell fiber]

i'm uploading an apparently functionnal verision right now

you can just try it and report things that apparently don't work, are weird, crash or just anything abnormal 👍

but keep in mind i won't be able to fix anything anytime soon

[true bridge]

No worries. Is it available on mod.io?

Btw, I don’t have experience with modding, but I have plenty with C#. if there is something I can help you, lmk.

[shell fiber]

thank you 😊
but this mod is for the most part script-free, at least in its current state, and @radiant arch already made the few scripts is needed

okay, the mod is uploaded to Mod.io (not steam yet)

but for some reason @tawdry bronze 's mod updates monitor doesn't see it 🤔

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/water-beaver-overhaul#description

you need to go on the right and click 'view other versions' and select 6.0.0

[tawdry bronze]

Is it set to live?
If not thats why

[shell fiber]

i left it live for a while but i hid it

but my logstairs and 1x1x2 storages are live, and the thing doesn't see them either 🤔

[shell fiber]

i'm uploading the mod on steam just to get it out of the way, but i'll keep it private for now

i'll post the link here though, if that can help people deal with installing it

[shell fiber]

link to the steam page of the mod :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?edit=true&id=3626846604

[woeful sun]

not visible 😕

and now I've "made too many requests recently" 🙁

[shell fiber]

Maybe steam hasn't finished validating the file or something 🤔

[woeful sun]

it's happening on random discussion and change note urls too though

The description pages load fine though

[cloud flax]

Can't see it either it seems

Btw might wanna update the tech tree?

[woeful sun]

for 1.0? yea, I haven't downloaded the update yet.

My script already has 4 different exceptions for loading blueprints, because it cares about the filename and I haven't updated it yet to not.

[woeful sun]

and it doesn't support ModdableToolGroups, so half the stuff is missing 😕

but I got enough to work to know that translations are missing for WoodenStairs, NEWEngine and Trebuchet recipe KABOOM 🙂

The NeedSpec for hunger and thirst specify an integer for StartingValue, when the type is a float, so I had an assert that complained

also confusingly the product of the ClockWorkController recipe is ClockworkWaterFarmBlueprint (which is a BackwardCompatibleId, not the main Id)

[woeful sun]

now to figure out why it doesn't show any plants

ahh, no plants, because no planters

[woeful sun]

mmm, maybe ModdableToolGroups is actually required

[shell fiber]

Sorry, I took the opportunity to relabel some of the confusing stuff 😅

[woeful sun]

yea, that's fine. This is the first time I'm dealing with the ModdableToolGroups specs

so while I expect some things have changed, I don't expect all farm houses to be missing

well, I got some tool groups in the right place now,

still haven't figured why some are not showing at all

ahh, there it is,

filenames -- as expected

PowerShaftHorizontalStraight has a weird NameLocKey

probably you meant to change Icon and altered the wrong line

similar for PowerShaftStraight.Whitepaws LabeledEntitySpec.DisplayNameLocKey which is set to Description

(and should probably be DisplayName instead)

and Roofs seem to require MoreGroups (otherwise the SubGroup_MGRoofs group is missing?)

[woeful sun]

(really my code can't handle missing parent groups)

[woeful sun]

Done

[shell fiber]

Anyone having issues while playing yet ?

[shell fiber]

New profile picture 😊

(this time it's actually my cat 😺)

[heavy lodge]

For sure you don't play Whiskerwood 🤣

[shell fiber]

How good is it ? I saw one playthrough it seemed pretty solid

[shell fiber]

I might have to roll back the 1x1x2 storage mod in steam. People using it for the whitepaws cab still get the latest from mod.io

[stone pond]

and yeah, Whiskerwood is on my list as well currently.

[woeful sun]

Some how Discord Checkpoint decided my free Deco was a cat. No complaints here 🙂

[shell fiber]

i'm uploading the fix for the 1x1x2 storage mod

[ivory flicker]

What does crushable building mean for the greenhouse

[round kestrel]

speaking of greenhouse, is there an issue with U7 banana's? got them planted in the greenhouse but lumberjack flag wont gather them marked for cutting and nothings been cut for cycles.

[shell fiber]

If you try to build something that overlap with it, that might destroy the greenhouse

[shell fiber]

I'm still very confused about what causes that to happen only to a few people, I'll try to look into it, again 😓

[round kestrel]

thank you ❤️

[dusk compass]

I had that same issue a long time ago and there was nothing I could do except rebuild the greenhouses from scratch

[ivory flicker]

Im confused about the abyss elevator, it has a power shaft connection here, but it doesnt want to

[cloud flax]

You can connect it. Even if it doesn't show the proper connection, it will actually work irl

[ivory flicker]

Thanks

[cloud flax]

Not sure what is happening here but seems like the district crossing is not recognizing the deep underground pile storage while importing and hence not able to import my logs....

[shell fiber]

You mean the abyss module right ? Can you check if it actually connects to the roads etc ?

[cloud flax]

like its functioning if its in the same district

and yes, the abyss module

When did this happen??? 🙀

[shell fiber]

It's too de-linearize the progression a little bit. If you want stuff that require giant half logs but don't have the sawmill / foundry yet you can do with that

[cloud flax]

Got it to carry whole 750kg!!!!

[cloud flax]

Created my final Bamboo farm, waay out in corner so that it doesnt hide stuff right in center of my map. And it seems to be pretty efficient i feel

And who doesnt love the Golden Sequoias Reaching the heavens

The Hidden Armageddon army is getting built up 👀 (there are 2 more levels below this)

The Liquid Storages almost all filled up and that pollution resistance factor glow be looking really sick!!!

Another thing i dont think a lot of people might have seen 👀 .

[woeful sun]

wooooah

[ivory flicker]

Large farmhouse with zipline might be busted with the range

I certainly wasnt expecting that farmhouse to be harvesting green peas

[sullen cape]

I got that hehe

[sullen cape]

Merry Christmas!

[ivory flicker]

Playing on the ancient waterways, used like half the map, still transitioning industry area to badwater water wheels, also working on the ENS

got badwater diversion on, the one in the center of the map i just let flow through as there are nothing of note

Also did anyone ever mentioned how science is just food? implication being scientist are just beaver munchings

Closer look at the area with power

More power with badtides

[west yarrow]

Is there a dam block like the first one you get where it blocks upto half a block?

[woeful sun]

"Primitive Dam"?

[west yarrow]

oh that doesnt block full height?

[woeful sun]

correct, they're the same as a regular dam, just take up more space and require a blueprint

[west yarrow]

only the floodgate needs a blueprint

[woeful sun]

Dam!, you're right

[west yarrow]

iv finally started metal fasteners and can dam this lil river

[west yarrow]

oh... bad tides... tf am I going to do

[radiant arch]

stockpile.. irrigate with "towers" and later divert them using floodgates / solid buildings and dams

good luck

[west yarrow]

Im on the new map

best I could do is block it off over a bad tide but im not exactly sure how here

or I just move all my farms away from that river

where does barreled water come from?

wot

https://tenor.com/view/gru-despicable-me-good-looking-nice-gif-366715336862629905

now making the rice fields so they can be welcomed to it

except theres another bad tide...

little early game area

[west yarrow]

ohh the other coloured beavers are special ones

just double checking does the library also work as a levee

it doesnt say works as levee but then the billboard says if it looks like it would it does so lol

[ivory flicker]

they are made in handicrafter's lodge in basic village infra

also this zipline is not optimal at all

[ivory flicker]

What map is this?

[ivory flicker]

they do not

[west yarrow]

uhh the newst vanilla one

I cant remember the name

[ivory flicker]

Pressure?

Cant imagine this mod with unstable cores tbh

[west yarrow]

uhh no, 2 secs

Hollows

[ivory flicker]

What water level does the dam upgrade let water through at? Is it basically like a levee?

[abstract vector]

Iirc it's 1.6 blocks, pretty much a normal dam with a levee beneath it

[ivory flicker]

And what level is the normal dam?

[abstract vector]

.5 or .6 blocks I don't remember

[ivory flicker]

Thanks

[radiant arch]

0.65 if it not changed. upgrade adds 1m to it

[ivory flicker]

So i have no choice but to use a floodgate dam if i want higher than that, but lower than a full block

[woeful sun]

https://darkskies.za.net/~norman/timbertrees/v0.7/enUS_Whitepaws.html is a quick way to answer that. If you search for barreled water, then click on an entry it'll limit the result to only buildings that care about it. If you click ▲ ◀ / ▼ ▶ / * then it'll filter down to only buildings that produce / consume / both the item in question.

Which shows Handicrafter's Lodge and Assembly Line

[west yarrow]

thank you

[west yarrow]

hmm the beavers done quench their thirst with chestnut beer alone...

[west yarrow]

Im at the point atm where my space in my pit is running out, I need more wood, food ect and its slow lol just need some things built then ill have my first little dam

[west yarrow]

I think im gona start again, so I can go into this thinking I know what im doing and turning off bad tides because I dont think im gona see any bad tide mitigation until WAY later

[cloud flax]

I usually keep my bad tide start to like cycle 20/30 just so that I can comfortably enjoy the game...

Am not a guy who's into challenges much so works out nice and gives ample time

You might as well check out maps from map contests! They are usually fun too!!

[west yarrow]

the map im playing doesnt have much in terms of an easy way to mitigate badwater

[cloud flax]

It's the lemon canyons or something right?

Or you playing some other map?

[west yarrow]

hollows

although at the same time theres not many spots where you can set up a city dam without running into issues

ima look through some maps to see if theres a fun one

The pristine lake might be interesting

[cloud flax]

Aaah right. Now that I look at it. Tbh i haven't tried it so no clue how it works

Also this might help with the progression if you are newer to the faction

[west yarrow]

Oh im fine so far on progression, got to a little into the first research before wanting to restart

ok checking out pristine lake

[woeful sun]

Edit Save Difficulty allows you to edit the game settings of an in-progress game

[west yarrow]

I started again in the contest winner for the largest map, the prestine lake, so much more space starting off and I can see good places for a dam town

set badtide to start like cycle 20

only issue is theres no springs

[woeful sun]

If you're playing Waterbeavers, then you might as well play a nice map 🙂

[west yarrow]

yup

this one also has some nice virticality to it

[cloud flax]

They are worth the time for sureee

[woeful sun]

Weird recipe in the Trade with the Emberpelts balloon: It's called Insect Larvae but it gets you Coal

yea, BalloonCoal RecipeSpec has "DisplayLocKey": "Lapantouflemagic.InsectLarva.PluralDisplayName"

[west yarrow]

would be cool if you could fully replace a need of water with one of the other liquids like the chestnut beer

I wana roleplay dwarves

[sullen cape]

I asked about this, it's some property of the item called "wasteable"
Water is considered waste able, or doesn't have a need that it fufills other than thirst

[west yarrow]

when theres no water and only beer they will not drink it even when it says it quenches thirst

[radiant arch]

well, only if the need for beer is filled actually. they will drink beer till that, but not more (as it's not wastable)

otherwise they would drink all of the highest priority drink whenever they get thirsty

[west yarrow]

ohhhhh ok

also first dam at cycle 5 instead of still trying at like cycle 20 on the other map lol

is smol but dam is dam

[cloud flax]

Dam is dam... Some wise words right there from the beaver wisdom

[ivory flicker]

Some dam wisdom

[woeful sun]

Dam good

[west yarrow]

oh yeah actually knowing what to expect and on a better map definitly makes things easier

[west yarrow]

can you store barreled water?

[woeful sun]

I think the only use for barreled water is to make it quicker to transport between districts. So I'm not sure that it can be stored anywhere.

[west yarrow]

ahh ok

I was thinking I could barrel it then store it to store more than I can in my current storages

[sullen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[west yarrow]

I want to store water so I can store water

[ivory flicker]

Barreled water can be stored in glorious storages, but u cant convert them back to water (droplet icon)

[woeful sun]

I think Drinking Fountain can convert it back to water

[west yarrow]

yeah I thought the drinking fountain was just going to allow only drinking but I think my haulers were also emptying them

[cloud flax]

Doing that within the same district you will run into the water vanishing loop

Water made from the drinking fountain going back to make barrel water

[west yarrow]

Yeah I realised that quickly

[woeful sun]

and at a loss, because it takes 120 water in the Handicrafter Lodge (or 115 in the Assembly Line) and you only get back 100 at the Drinking Fountain.

[west yarrow]

hold up the only source of plant fibers is the florist?

Idk how I feel about that...

[sullen cape]

Yes you can!

You loose 10-15 water though, but uh well 👉 👈

[west yarrow]

Im starting to worry how many beavers I have

[ivory flicker]

I thought its only for drinking

Thats why i find lodges to be unnecessary, esp when u have ziplines as they are also houses

[west yarrow]

ziplines my beloved

[west yarrow]

having to think about how to use some of the buildings like the small bad water pump when you cant do a propper dam for it is interesting

[west yarrow]

oh I just noticed triple and quadruple dynamite use 3 dynamite

[west yarrow]

what do I do with the extra like 100 beavers I have with no jobs?

[radiant arch]

assuming you not have those yet: foundry, tower upgrades (haulers / builders) or such can take a lot of workers

looking at industries and scaling down population is another (later) option

[west yarrow]

Im close to getting uh

the assembly line

[radiant arch]

that's a stage when you need more workers than you get new homes

good to have those 100 i guess

[west yarrow]

my total bed count is like 350

I have 210 jobs

I just made another dam and like 2/3 my pop just starved lol

[radiant arch]

might get to 500 or so i'd say. hard to keep all needs with less than 350 soon

[west yarrow]

I have so many farms...

and pumps

[radiant arch]

well-being?

[west yarrow]

it was like 21

[radiant arch]

pumps speed up with work speed

[west yarrow]

Im having a slight food issue

[radiant arch]

might help to see if you can go for better foods

[west yarrow]

which is odd since they all died

[radiant arch]

easy to run out of food at this stage tbh

[west yarrow]

yeah I had like 2k excess while I was designing the dam then suddenly none lol

ok well my wellbeing is going back up from 0 so I think its slowly fixing itself

whats a good food around this time

atm im just doing braised cabbage, rice balls and cereal bars

and kimchi whenever its available

[radiant arch]

chips

trying for cheap drinks, like beer, sake, tea

[radiant arch]

not sure rice balls give anything but emergency food

[west yarrow]

I got sake and beer

yeah but its there if they need it

[radiant arch]

no big farm yet?

[west yarrow]

im blueprinting it atm

like 30%

[radiant arch]

that's likely gonna help a lot with the population (they can farm much faster too and ziplines give huge area)

[west yarrow]

hmm can only plant pumpkin and lotus tho

[radiant arch]

yeah, but only need a single farm for planting where 3-4 workers needed to harvest before. can cover 3-4 such spots easily + lotus

[west yarrow]

ahh ok

[radiant arch]

you'd likely want much more sunflower too

[west yarrow]

ill prob swap out the cabbage spot I just made for pumpkins

yeah....

[radiant arch]

that's a nice settlement btw

[west yarrow]

also I think I might save edit badtides out, I made them start at cycle 20 but with so many sources spread out dealing with them before they get to my dams is almost impossible

new dam area

WIP

main farm area

early industrial

starting area with tree farms

and so many pumps.....

hold up

I just realised deepwater pumps pump faster...

33% faster...

my industrial dam just needs its power storage tower finished then I might go through later and replace some things with more industry

also seems with the new dam I get like a day of extra power gen with the water draining out down to the dam level

ehh my dam drain house has spawned badwater??

[radiant arch]

like badwater from nothing?

[west yarrow]

yeah the dams 100% clean

it was on for a split second before the power went out and a bunch of badwater appeared

[radiant arch]

that's very odd

[ivory flicker]

I feel like im such a conservative player with the beavercount, im at argonomic farming with just ~200 beavers

[west yarrow]

I wanted to keep my pop smaller but everythings a house lol

[ivory flicker]

I only built like 1 lodge at the beginning for haulers, then nothing

All my dam buildings are industrial

[west yarrow]

a lot of my ones are storage besides the occasional industrial

I only do lodges when nothing else fits

but like storage and industrial also have housing so lol

[ivory flicker]

Yea bc everything is a house is why i dont build just houses

Haulers and builers are with the tower upgrades

[west yarrow]

yeah

I have minimal lodges and still like 100 extra pop lol

[ivory flicker]

Mines are good to absorb the extra pop

Clay pits

[west yarrow]

ohh yeah true I should prob work on getting medium mines up

[ivory flicker]

Iirc medium mine is like 10 workers with no housing

High temp foundery is 20 workers and no housing

[west yarrow]

atm its like im either researching or making dynamite

or tar

wait I can do the factory now

fk it we ball

[ivory flicker]

Well

U need medium mine to build the labware for more alchemist

[west yarrow]

yeah but a factory will allow me to make more things I need as well

I can make medium mines I just need the explosives to make the holes

[ivory flicker]

I hate making dynamite with that recipe, so i trade with the IT instead

Get rid of saltpeter and nitroglycerin

[west yarrow]

ahh rope

I havnt dont trading yet

[ivory flicker]

Its slow, but i just stockpile it before doinga terraforming job

[west yarrow]

ok first factory down

[west yarrow]

mmmm

[radiant arch]

oh, btw, well-being applies to pumps too. should double with 30s i believe

had a couple of games with just a minimal stack of 5 pumps for most of the early / mid game

[west yarrow]

orly?

i thought buildings dont get sped up?

[radiant arch]

anything with a worker will output more related to workers bonus

[west yarrow]

either way got the pumpkin chips going im at 24 well-being

[radiant arch]

(solar panels to walking speed!)

[west yarrow]

26*

realised I need to put some warehouses around with the chips because some were not getting them

im close to fried rice as well just need lotus

some on 29 oo

how do you farm lotus flowers if the farmers are just going to harvest but they also need to be in range to plant?

[ivory flicker]

a) pause the farmhouse
b) make the farmers busy enough and the nenuphars so far away that they dont get harvested

Also btw u need gatherers for lotus flowers, the farmers will get nenuphars

[west yarrow]

yeah

ok

[radiant arch]

fencing off part works too

so farmer can only reach when need to plant

[west yarrow]

if theres no "farmland" under the crop do they still try to harvest?

hmm ok ill just put the gatherer on the other side and remove the stairs from the farm side

I originally misread how the dam drain house works, I thought it made power when water went through it, would make sense I thought it was a little turbine lol

cause gravity

[radiant arch]

would be cool to have that, yeah

[west yarrow]

yeah it just didnt really make sense to me that it used to much power just to let a tiny bit of water out

[cloud flax]

There bamboo later on once you build tree nursery

[cloud flax]

There bamboo later on once you build tree nursery

Sorry for the double ping... Slow net 🫣

[ivory flicker]

Kinda hate the bamboo for being... unbelievably tall

[cloud flax]

That's why you push it in the corner

And remember you always need more than you think you would need

[ivory flicker]

Thats the thing... the corner is kinda far away

Same with the giant sequia

[cloud flax]

Ziplines ftw

[ivory flicker]

Its a classic circular problem, to get far u need zipline, zipline needs rope, rope needs bamboo

Technically u can use the florists first but yea

[west yarrow]

I put down 6 florists for now

also im trying to place the cap for the deep water pump upgrade and it says to ram the camera into it but it still wont snap properly

I can place it backwards but it has to be placed the other way 🙁

[west yarrow]

ok after some mild flooding its placed

[west yarrow]

oh im stupid I didnt realise I use the library to make library books for more libraries...

[west yarrow]

damn I didnt realise how much of an upgrade the light to normal gravity battery is

[heavy spruce]

after a "fun" couple months of badluck after badluck I decided to take a break on new years and pick up WB, been letting it run non stop since christmas eve on an old i5 laptop from the days intel was ontop (its been a slide show)

Is there something up with making the half giant logs from the lumber mill? I could only get them knawed from the knawing station...

[west yarrow]

I think the only other way is the advanced sawmill

which you can get without needing to make the half ones

[woeful sun]

In 0.7 the only place to make Giant Half Logs is the Advanced Sawmill

In 1.0 you can get them (very slowly) from the Log Gnawing Station as well

[heavy spruce]

yes, but for some reason only the gnawing station was making them. The advanced sawmill was forever at 0%

[woeful sun]

buut, you're playing on 0.7, so how?

[west yarrow]

ENS science output is bonkers 👀

[radiant arch]

oh, you might like the trebuchet science output 😉

[west yarrow]

oh yeah throwing tnt

[ivory flicker]

Endgamebuildings science costs are also bonkers

[woeful sun]

yea, I'm watching JC The Beard's series, and science was soooooo slow, until the current phase and now 10k is super quick

[heavy spruce]

if i knew i wouldn’t be confused

[cloud flax]

Is the saw dust storage in building full??

Or does it have the shiny saw blades?

[heavy spruce]

Sawdust storage on the advanced sawmill was empty, shiny saw blades full.
It was the first recipie I selected in the new advanced sawmill, went to bed, came back in the morning, none of the projects had a single giant half log in them, giant half log storage was empty, but giant log storage and shiny sawblade storage was full, power was available, game advanced 5~6 cycles, there were beavers working in thr building.

I added an engine to each of the other two power input points, ran the game for an hour, no giant half logs produced. 0% progress.
Switched to efficient logs, % started to tick up.
Logs produced.
Went back to giant half logs, percentage stuck at 0.

Went the the log gnawing station and selected giant half logs, % slowly ticked up.

Set 5~6 log gnawers on the problem and left the game running till the mines were produced

[woeful sun]

Which version of the mod do you have installed?

[heavy spruce]

Don't have my laptop handy to say, but I downloaded everything on Christmas eve, Steam, Timberborn, and mods

So what ever was the latest version on the 23rd

It was a fresh install

[shell fiber]

Hi everyone !
Happy new year ! 🎊
(Sorry I was super busy)

[shell fiber]

Damn that looks sick 🤣

[shell fiber]

Beaver efficiency 😉

[shell fiber]

This map is nice 😊

[shell fiber]

On that mayo the best solution is to have a floodgate dam block the cavern where the bad water come from.
With some dynamite and log levees it's not too hard, but you'd need to rush the blueprint, and get metal blocks.

[shell fiber]

Issue with the game not letting me delete recipes, saves that have it active worth crash. (Cleared in 1.0)

[shell fiber]

Glorious storage

[west yarrow]

I’m enjoying the community map I’m on atm

[cloud flax]

Ayeeee! Welcome back and happy new year!!!

Ooh that msg leveled me up. Gonna be a really nice year it seems :P

[delicate yarrow]

Hey, is it a known issue with the game crashing when trying to place the tooth grindstone on 1.0?

[shell fiber]

Not a great idea. It works between districts but within one district that's probably a water deletion engine

[west yarrow]

I havnt played in a few days but with zip lines I havnt made a second district atm its just one huge one

[radiant arch]

Happy new year!

[woeful sun]

aah, and in game you don't see the name because it uses the icon picker

[shell fiber]

I'll need to remember to check that

By the way, I suppose everyone saw the golden logs sweet m awards ? 😊
I'm nominated 🥳

I don't think I have any real chance to win since mod is mostly for hardcore weirdos, but it's nice nonetheless 😊

[woeful sun]

You're like the OG new faction modder 💛

[shell fiber]

(in case it's not clear, it's a community vote)

[west yarrow]

What iv noticed myself doing is that because like half the buildings need to be put into other infrastructure like dams ect every time I unlock enough tech I just find a new spot and make a larger industrial hub

[west yarrow]

like I had my starting area, then early-mid industrial, now im making a much larger mid-late industrial

[delicate yarrow]

If it helps, in the blueprint, changing the attachment ID from Sparks.TeethGrindstone.Folktails to Sparks and then copying the the templateattachmentspecs from the folktails blue;rint stopped the crashing happening for me.

[velvet orchid]

Hi, I bought Timberborn on GOG so I cannot download from the steamworkshop. Is there another way to get the Water Beaver mod?

[radiant arch]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/water-beaver-overhaul#description

[radiant arch]

has all dependencies too.
might take some tries to get all dependencies (pretty sure lapan not updated the list). if in doubt game will show little yellow and red marks in mod list if order is off (important!) or something is missing.

@shell fiber lovely new thumbnail for your mod

"Cry me a BadTide"

[subtle dagger]

wait is 1.0 out on mod.io?

[radiant arch]

looks like a "prototype version" according to changelog. likely not complete / stable yet

[woeful sun]

You can also use Mod Manager to grab the smaller stuff

[velvet orchid]

Thanks a lot. In the description on mod.io it is still version 0.6 but the download is 0.7 .

[shell fiber]

Well there if the teeth grindstone bug that's known now

[still frigate]

I could get the last steam achievement so unbelievably easily if WhitePaws was fully working in 1.0 experimental. 500 beavers? A trifle!

[cloud flax]

You won't even know when you hit that mark lol

[ivory flicker]

What beaver pop do u guys have

Like, the highest one if u have multiple settlements

[radiant arch]

if map is small / very limited can do around 300 to 350 peak. but usually would go 500+, or 1k+ on bigger maps (if only my pc could handle them better...)
can help lots to get multiple production lines and abysses running with big numbers, which can speed up late game. but takes a lot of water and farm area too. also efficiency and wellbeing usually suffer and they might not be that much more productive..

for small maps or if hardware is an issue going for high wellbeing can help a lot (they go up to 500% productivity! this includes pumps!)

[cloud flax]

These are my current stats

but i think i went upto like 1.2k to stress test things. wasnt really a stress though except for my laptop

[ivory flicker]

Idk if my system can handle that much, is there tips on handling performance

Like path layout and such

Districts also help right?

[cloud flax]

yeah. minimize paths as much as you can

and make a separate district if you can for non beaver needed buildings that can be operated by bot haulers

am getting 20fps at 1x speed

[radiant arch]

given the way the game is made keeping number of objects low in general should have the biggest impact - map size, number of doors, beavers, ..
districts can help a little if they have no beavers..
using ziplines a lot can help keep numbers low, as workers can reach further and walk faster.. which helps some too

[heavy spruce]

Ive always just got the latest Water Beaver version from the workshop, not mod io

Is there a guide to installing it?

[radiant arch]

Mod Manager might help, as normanr said

installing is just downloading and extracting it to mod directory, resolving the dependencies and looking everything is in order in in-game mod list

mod manager should help with that

[heavy spruce]

Is that steamapps > common > Timberborn > Timerborn_data > StreamingAssets > Modding

or

steamapps > workshop > content > numbers > numbers

If it is the file in the directory prefaced by two strings of numbers, then I already have a V1 folder?
So I wouldnt need the ModIO file?

[radiant arch]

should be under Documents/Timberborn/Mods or so?
for linux it's under ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/1062090/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/Timberborn/Mods when installed through steam (given it's wrapped using proton/ wine here)

the steam workshop mods is under steamapps > workshop > content > 1062090 for timberborn - but you can't safely put the mod.io version there
game will show them with different symbol if you have same mod in workshop and in mods directory

tbh i forgot what you wanted to do 🙂

[heavy spruce]

I want to play Whitepaws on the 1.0 release, experimental?
I was just playing the 0.7 release

[heavy spruce]

But I cant see this realease on steam

[radiant arch]

oh, getting the hidden 1.0 one from mod.io should be enough. it's under 'more versions'

putting that into the Documents/Timberborn/Mods

i would assume other mods would work if they did for 0.7 version. will complain otherwise in mod list

in mod list you'd see a Whitepaws with steam symbol and one with 'directory' symbol and the version beside i suppose

[heavy spruce]

Ok Im in \Steam\steamapps\common\Timberborn but there is no \Mods folder

[radiant arch]

if you are on windows it's the system Documents path (no idea where this is)

[heavy spruce]

Interesting, the folder layout for timberborn isnt universal

I'll have a look and see what I can find, thanks!

[heavy spruce]

\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\1062090\3508401248

Ok, found the waterbeaver mod, it's the same version as on ModIO

But there is now an issue with the MoreGroups mod, latest version is 1.0.1.0
But apparently waterbeavers need a higher version number?

MoreGroups version is below the minimum required version

But thats the latest version?

Here the code

for the error

[radiant arch]

waterbeavers would 6.0 version (mod.io under 'more versions') - you got older steam version here

[shell fiber]

hi all !
i'm back from my trip, i have a couple of day before resuming work.

if i'm correct, the only known bug as of right now in the 1.0 version is the teeth grindstone correct ?
also the irrigation towers not being inclused

[subtle dagger]

is the 1.0 only on mod.io?

[abstract vector]

I had a crash, but I couldn't pinpoint if it was waterbeavers. I'll post the report when I get home

[stone spruce]

I'm waiting till a Steam upload hits to test 1.0, cause I'm lazy and the mod manager isn't updated. XD

[woeful sun]

Mod Manager is updated (has been for almost a week) 🙂

[woeful sun]

and the DisplayName of the coal recipe in the Trade with the Emberpelts balloon

[cloud flax]

Not really a game breaking bug, but just as reminder for your checklist.

1. Library hotbox extends underground and even gravity battery hitbox is too much
2. extra invisible voxel above the entrance door of the factory..
   3 deep crate pile storage not registering in the district crossings

Also if possible, a tunnel with path would be god sent 🫣

And maybe tunnels with light just for decoration. Just need some overhead lighting for the long tunnels

[abstract vector]

Attempting to build the beaver washing machine crashed me

[woeful sun]

Weird error

btw, you could try "Vertical Nav Mesh" mod to try and fix the appropriate path marker mesh messages

btw, I have no idea about the Text Mesh IndexOutOfRangeException

[woeful sun]

can you reproduce it?

[abstract vector]

Vertical nav mesh seems to fix it. Should I remove it and try to reproduce?

[woeful sun]

Vertical Nav Mesh won't fix the crash

The crash and the path marker mesh messages are unrelated

[abstract vector]

Hmm, I redid the steps for the crash and it didn't crash

[woeful sun]

other messages of note from the log above (not related to the crash):

Not found: ...\1062090\3281653061\version-1.0\AssetBundles\1x1x2 storage_mac
Not found: ...\1062090\3281774771\version-1.0\AssetBundles\logstairs_mac
Not found: ...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\AssetBundles\whitepaws faction v1.0_mac
Localization file contains errors:
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS_in_...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 735)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS_in_...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 747)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS_in_...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 1213)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS_in_...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 1318)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS_in_...\Timberborn\Mods\Whitepaws Faction V1.0.0\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 1727)
The given key Lapantouflemagic.SevereInjury.DeathMessage was not present in the dictionary.

[shell fiber]

Ah, i think i fixed my unity, it was out of whack for some reason

some scripts were in double

[shell fiber]

i'm working to add back in the irrigation towers, but it seems that igor has yet to fix the pollution repellant script

so for now i'm just adding the basic function, in principle i should be able to add the pollution repelling function later

[shell fiber]

@radiant arch

do you think you'll have any time too take a look at the scripts you had made for U7 ?

the water per voxel, beaver swim speed, locking the contamination of a water source etc

i'd like to push a public 1.0 update soon-ish 😉

Of course none of the scripts are truly vital for a public release but still

Specifically I'd like to have it out before the golden logs awards get out

But I can get that much done by tomorrow if I want to

[radiant arch]

@shell fiber does https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/grauschweifs-scriptpack work?

should contain all the scripts you have and instructions on how to use them?
or you want special copies for 1.0 too?

might be able to work on them tomorrow or look into working on seasons again

hope nothing much has changed in timberborn since late november..

[shell fiber]

i'll take a look

are they compatible from version 0.7 ?

[radiant arch]

for 0.7: the NeedFavour script is duplicate, so you'd need to remove it from your mod. other scripts should run fine, so you can keep them with 0.7.

[shell fiber]

it seems to work (i used the steam version of your mod for testing) and got this:

it didn't crash at first, but did when i tried to hover on the need to see if it applied the effect
(specifically it crashes when you hover on the need bar, not when you hover on the total growth speed, work speed ect on the top of the status window)

also i don't see those in unity 🤔

but maybe i should try to import the old U7 scripts instead ?🤔

[shell fiber]

well crap, something has changed in how the "bottom matching prefab" system is handled 😑

impossible to place the abyss modules now

i'll likely be forced to redesign them. side modules shouldn't be an issue but back and front modules... i don't want to change the shape so much 😓

[still frigate]

In general, has the u7 to 1.0 upgrade been easier than the u6 to u7 was?

[sullen cape]

Oh and mods are broken in 1.0 again?

[shell fiber]

are they ?

[still frigate]

New update today.

[sullen cape]

The "Spec" postfix was removed from the names of non-ComponentSpec properties. This change affects BlockObjectSpec. Yes, this means the mods are broken once again.

Not sure if this affects WhitePaws/Water Beavers, but I'd guess so?

[shell fiber]

i would assume so then

thankfully i'm currently poking at the tutorial

it's a bit impractical to read from the spec files, but it seems easy enough to overwrite

[west yarrow]

Could the Grand Dam get a larger internal water storage? It seems to fill up way to fast for continuous production

[shell fiber]

i'll try to keep in mind to look into it, but right now i have more pressing issues to fix

especially with yesterday's update, touching prefabs now would cause data loss

in the meantime i'm poking (at last) at the french translation

the water cannon entry made me realise that with 3D terrain, i probably should give occupancy to the water stream, otherwise wonky crap can be done 😑

oh right i have a pinned message for remembering things

[west yarrow]

All good no rush

[shell fiber]

@radiant arch do you know if your script pack survived the last couple updates ? i get an error message from favorable need effect something

Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.BlueprintDeserializer+<DeserializeSpecs>d__13.MoveNext () (at <d978fb562b9c4f70835fcd7935484cb9>:0)
Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.Blueprint.CopySpecs (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable`1[T] specsToCopy, Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.ComponentSpec specToIgnore, Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.ComponentSpec specToAdd) (at <d978fb562b9c4f70835fcd7935484cb9>:0)
Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.Blueprint..ctor (System.String name, System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable`1[T] specs, System.Collections.Immutable.ImmutableArray`1[T] children) (at <d978fb562b9c4f70835fcd7935484cb9>:0)
Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.BlueprintDeserializer.DeserializeBlueprint (Timberborn.SerializationSystem.SerializedObject serializedObject, System.Boolean safe, System.Collections.Immutable.ImmutableArray`1[T] nestedBlueprints, System.String name) (at <d978fb562b9c4f70835fcd7935484cb9>:0)
Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.BlueprintDeserializer.DeserializeRoot (Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.BlueprintFileBundle blueprintFileBundle, System.Boolean safe) (at <d978fb562b9c4f70835fcd7935484cb9>:0)```

[woeful sun]

WellbeingBonusReceiverSpec got renamed to WellbeingBonusSubjectSpec (or WellbeingBonusesSubjectSpec, I'm not sure about the exact spelling)

[radiant arch]

sorry, not tested since early december and likely not survived, no

[radiant arch]

also forgot about adding this script to the 1.0..

will try and load current timberborn and see if i can update this week.. so many changed again 😅

and seasons after.. moddable weather completely changed .. that one likely will take some time to rebuild.. and it was 90% ready, code-wise, for 0.7..

[shell fiber]

Oh, so much efforts wasted 😵

[shell fiber]

Thank you !
I'll try to make sure everything is in order in the meantime

[shell fiber]

@radiant arch i'm an idiot, this had nothing to do with the favorable needs 😓
this was an issue with missing data on the whitepaws bot 😑

anyway, the good new is i'm making progress again

but gotta go for now

[shell fiber]

and we're got a sucessful load 😊

[shell fiber]

now i have to figure out how to get the abyss modules fixed 😑

[shell fiber]

not sure that's the best solution but the abyss would look like that now

unfortunately the rules governing the "bottom matching prefab" script remain incomprehensible

of course once you place the modules, it's back to normal

[radiant arch]

if it works that's nice, isn't it?

[sullen cape]

I'd take it, the game runs

[shell fiber]

okay, the small modules all work

now let's restore the two big ones

[high light]

"if it's dumb and it works, it isn't dumb" really looking forward to trying water beavers for the first time once it is ready for steam 🙂

[shell fiber]

okay, at last fixed the two big abyss modules...that was quite a pain.

now let's get the reactor to snap on nicely

[radiant arch]

did upload a fix for 1.0 on both steam and mod.io

not yet updated my u7 tools, but will look into it later in case the UI crash for needs happened there too

[shell fiber]

you mean the favorable needs ?

[radiant arch]

has the exact same line that crashed on 1.0. so not sure i did test it enough or it was something changed in timberborn that broke it

[shell fiber]

so the fix on mod.io is only for the "more water per voxel" "swimspeed" and the fixed water source ?

[radiant arch]

it's for all of them for timberborn 1.0.7+

did test all things, favorable needs included

just not yet the u7 version

was actually fun to test, as i set swim speed to 10 and they basically warped. and the hole never really emptied with 100 water per voxel haha

[shell fiber]

oh okay

i'm trying very hard to get something done before the weekend, but i don't think that's chieavable

the nuclear reactor and water source snap in place just fine, but power doesn't seem to connect 😑

it's become more fiddly somehow

but it will take at least one hour, and i have like 40 min left

with a little work to finish

wait, no it does work ! 😯

let's get this uploaded real quick

[shell fiber]

sorry, i messed up and uploaded it as a new mod

this time i set the visibility to "unranked" which means it should be accessible by non-me people

can someone tell me if they can DL it from steam ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3647584961

[radiant arch]

i can see the mod and click 'subscribe' in browser, using your link, but can't find the mod (yet?) from within steam otherwise

[shell fiber]

it takes a little while to download i think

[still frigate]

Looks like a lot of the old text still in there on Steam. For instance, isn't "Pantry" dead, buried, and abandoned? Even in U7 it would crash out any time I tried it.

That said, I AM SO HYPED about this. I have really been missing my water beavers.

Thank you for all the hard work.

[still frigate]

@shell fiber This -may- be caused by the custom map I loaded. I'll keep you posted.

[shell fiber]

That happens sometimes, I think some base game trees are 2-tall and they get replaced by erverblossoms that are 3-tall

Or something like that

[still frigate]

Yeah. It is fine. 🙂

[still frigate]

FYI. Had a crash. Was hovering over a panel. Can't guarantee this is not related to one of the mods I have running.

I'll attempt to reproduce it.

Not the same crash, but I was going through the panels looking for some sort of manual power generator. I am 90% certain the game was even paused.

[still frigate]

With water seeps and the chance of no rivers on a map, do WhitePaws not have a manual power option?

Again.

I was on the toolbar with primitive lumbermill. It was either it or the primitive papermill that triggered this.

@shell fiber it is the primitive lumbermill doing it.

If this isn't just me, it is game-breaking without cheating. Hopefully an easy fix.

[still frigate]

I love that the relics glow!!!

[shell fiber]

I see, yes that's the need broken teeth that has been renamed chipped teeth. I guess backwards compatibility is not good enough 😑

I don't think I'll be able to upload a fix until Monday but you can go in the mod files to correct it manually if you want to play

[shell fiber]

They have no manual power but they have a wind turbine thing for those cases

[still frigate]

Where? Not under power unless I am missing it.

[still frigate]

Can you point me to the correct file or subfolder?

[still frigate]

nevermind. I think I found it.

[still frigate]

5 hits for brokenteeth

Fixed and verified working in-game.

[still frigate]

@shell fiber What happened to the crane?

2nd missing item, or removed?

[still frigate]

This is really intermittent. Somerimes it happens when mousing quickly over the buttons. This last time it happened when I click the set priority button (which had been working).

[abstract vector]

I've had the same crash, I've yet to reproduce it

[west yarrow]

once you get the advanced sawmill is it just better to grow only the gigantic trees for wood instead of the pink ones?>

Whats the latest version that this mod runs on?

[shell fiber]

I never bothered running the math, but I doubt it.

[west yarrow]

Im trying to run the latest version ,its saying the latest 1x1x2 storage and stairs isnt compatable with latest stable version of game but the mod needs those ones do I just run it in experimental?

[shell fiber]

A 3x3 area can grow 9 pink trees and can do it several times over the growth period of a sequoia, so that's quite some wood 🤔

[shell fiber]

Oh. Can you show the error message ?

[west yarrow]

no error just loading the game it says needs a higher version 2 secs

I downloaded them not 30m ago

splitting the mods into the 3 versions it has, the 1.0 isnt compatable with stable version of the game and the other 2 are too low for the mod

[shell fiber]

In principle you should be able to just take the latest version, it should be backward compatible

[shell fiber]

This seems correct though 🤔

[west yarrow]

leme split it

[shell fiber]

You shouldn't have to split anything 🤔

[west yarrow]

if I only put in the latest version it now asks for moddable tool groups and they say this

the latest version of the 2 mods are now showing up when they are together because its saying the games version is too low

hmm even the moddable tool groups is saying my game version isnt 1.0.0

but im not in any betas or anything

holdup I think im stupid 2 secs

the games release version isnt 1.0

.... yeah its experimental... not release version

no more errors

I am now getting this crash now

[stone spruce]

Can confirm this is still a thing right now -- subscribed via web browser, but there's nothing 'findable' in Steam proper

Steam version is loading for me -- will likely playtest tomorrow. It's pretty late where I am right now

(Loading to in-game, not just menu)

[west yarrow]

Im still trying to get mine working by updating mods and adding/removing them, half the time I can get to the main menu and the other half it crashes on map start

Im stuck on this

moddabletoolgroups is causing an issue it seems

[stone spruce]

Don't think that's it, I have it in mine and it's running fine

V10.4.1 in my load order

What's your modlist look like for Timberborn?

nvm, it's in the crash

[west yarrow]

uhh

[stone spruce]

OR NOT....

Huh

Lets see what you have that I don't

[west yarrow]

I need to clean it up but

this gets me to the menu but crashes on loading up a new map

[stone spruce]

I have most of those, honestly. Lemme finish comparing and testing a couple of things -- the only mods I disabled were Leafcoats related, since those are incompatible

Okay... first, I have release versions than you do on:
1x1x2Storage (You have 3.0.5, I have 3.0.6)
Bob's Script Pack (You have 1.0.0.5, I have 1.0.7.0)
Bob's Housing Optimize (you have 1.0.0.0, I have 1.0.0.1)

I don't have:
TimberAPI. (IIRC, it doesn't actually do anything anymore?)

Try re-validating your Timberborn files? It should also update any workshop mods you have

[west yarrow]

oh I forgot to update the scripts

I got the majority of the mods off of mod.io

[stone spruce]

ahhh, can't help you on that one, but you seem to know what to do 🙂

[west yarrow]

yeah its just manually putting them in the mod folder

[stone spruce]

Not too bad then

I match your configuration (plus a lot more) besides those items, so hopefully that'll get you moving

[west yarrow]

hmm theres no 1.0.0.1 housing optimization on mod.io

[stone spruce]

Odd.... I'm definitely running that version:

[west yarrow]

i just did it through steam maybe its slightly ahead

also validating files

ok "should" be the same

[stone spruce]

Good luck!

[west yarrow]

oh it works noice thanks

[stone spruce]

No problem, glad it's working for you

[west yarrow]

although the map I chose idk if it will be possible lol

[stone spruce]

XD

[west yarrow]

Timberpunk2

[stone spruce]

Oh no, you're screwed

[west yarrow]

theres no water....

[stone spruce]

Yea, I like that map, but I'm pretty sure Whitepaws it's impossible

So I'm getting a crash when I mouse over industrial buildings in the selection menu

[west yarrow]

oh yeah

...

[stone spruce]

I don't have time to pair down all of my mods right now, so I'll check those later

[stiff lily]

First playthrough finally finished (at least wonder set off) 🎉

[west yarrow]

something about brokenteeth not present in dictionary>

[stone spruce]

Is that happening for you as well?

[west yarrow]

yeah it just did it

[stone spruce]

Oh cool, that means I don't have to spend two hours meticulously going through every mod 😄

[west yarrow]

yeah prob just need to wait on a patch

would be nice if timberpunk2 was doable with waterbeavers

but the aquafer tech is behind certain things

unless I godmode in a proper water source where the aquafers are hmm

[woeful sun]

Did you install them manually, or with Mod Manager?

[west yarrow]

manually, from what I know there is no mod manager that does it automatically from mod.io

or through steam

[woeful sun]

It's in your screenshots, just disabled,

[west yarrow]

oh yeah no Im not using that atm

[woeful sun]

It's probably the easiest way to get and keep updated for the smaller mods. It's not great for the larger ones, unfortunately.

[west yarrow]

yeah just atm seeing as Zeta and I are having the same issue I think its a mod thing that needs patchingf

[woeful sun]

yes, NoxBestia found a fix for it up here: #1070709592176197642 message

I think BrokenTeeth --> ChippedTeeth is the required change

[west yarrow]

oh so just go into the files and change it to chipped teeth?

ah

im not sure what file that would be tho...

[woeful sun]

There are 5 files shown in the screenshot. I'd guess those ones?

[west yarrow]

oh those are file paths.... yeah ok ima check it out

[woeful sun]

Probably the 3 .blueprint.json files are the critical ones,

The .blueprint 1.json and .old.json probably won't be read by the game.

[west yarrow]

yeah I found it

ok lets see

I missed something

[west yarrow]

ok seems fine now

[west yarrow]

little hard to read

[west yarrow]

hmm

[still frigate]

@woeful sun @west yarrow The one that fixed it was: \Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\1062090\3647584961\Buildings\Whitepaws Faction\LightIndustry\Gnawingtent.blueprint.json

That one may not have made it into the 5 hits since I think I fixed it before I did the search.

[west yarrow]

yeah I found it

[stone spruce]

That fixes it on my end too, of course

[shell fiber]

I'm getting increasingly confused at your discussion I have no idea what version you're trying to load😅
(I was thinking 0.7 but chipped teeth is clearly 1.0)

And sorry for not being able to help today, I'm outside

[shell fiber]

Yes, those are leftovers from when I upgraded

I'll try to push an update for the chipped teeth issue from my tablet if I can, that doesn't require unity

[stone spruce]

It's 1.0 in this case :).

[still frigate]

@shell fiber (or anyone who knows) what files define and control the brambles? I want to try to make them climb.

[west yarrow]

I was on release version but needed experimental, besides a few little things periodically it runs fine.

[radiant arch]

that's possible now? hmm.. Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Plants/WildBrambles.blueprint.json defines brambles, or Brambles.blueprint.json for the domesticated type in 1.0 version

[still frigate]

I'm not certain, but I thought I came across such a thing once.

[still frigate]

I am guessing by the color a texture is not referenced correctly.

[still frigate]

This was when I tried to unlock and place the 30° water canon.

A second attempt allowed the unlock done separately, but as soon as I tried to place it I got the crash.

[radiant arch]

mod isn't complete yet for 1.0 and many small things (like smoke / water effects) seem fully untouched so far.

[still frigate]

Understood. Just trying to be helpful and document what I find. I assumed that was the phase Lapan is in?

BTW, the 70° and the 45° do place without crashing, so that is good.

[cloud flax]

Suits with the water beavers colour theme :P

[wary panther]

it's just a wine cannon instead of water

[still frigate]

Crashed. Reloaded. Crashed. I do not know what was going on to cause the crash. I was just observing.

EDIT: I traced the little guy triggering the crash. He is building the Zipline Station. Image here: #1070709592176197642 message

And this is back. The second image is where it was.

[woeful sun]

Exception thrown while ticking ... 'BeaverAdult Gnonu'?

[still frigate]

Here is what is being built to crash it.

[still frigate]

I traced the guy.

[woeful sun]

Is this an 0.7 save loaded with 1.0?

[still frigate]

Nope. Started this in 1.0

[woeful sun]

So it's probably a missing Enterable on the WorkplaceSpec causing the crash

I'm not sure why a Zipline would be a workplace though

[still frigate]

It says 10 workers.

Not sure why either.

[wary panther]

weird that a zipline station would have workers at all...

[still frigate]

I am gonna guess that it adds haulers.

Or it is a bug. 😛

[wary panther]

ooh, having the big zipline tower employ haulers would be great

And here I figured lapan was just inventing the zipline equivalent of a skydiving jumpmaster (i.e. the guy who throws your suddenly-hesitant ass out of the airplane)

[woeful sun]

heh

Yea, this seems to be the only building that has a WorkplaceSpec, but no EnterableSpec

btw, other warnings in the log file:

Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 735)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 747)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 1213)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 1318)
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 1727)

and also I noticed: AssetBundle.LoadFromFile(whitepaws faction v1.0.0_mac) AssetBundle.LoadFromFile(whitepaws faction v1.0.0_win) (because of how the code is written, if the asset bundle contains a period (.), then both _mac and _win bundles will be loaded).

Also a bunch of buildings generated: SimpleOutputInventorySpec at SimpleOutputInventorySpec contains unused field UnlimitedTotalCapacity and others: ```
BlockSpec at BlockObjectSpec.Blocks contains unused field LegacyOccupation
BlockSpec at BlockObjectSpec.Blocks contains unused field UseNewOccupation

GoodSpec at GoodSpec contains unused field RequiredFeatureToggle

I think some missing localization messages: Good.OmniCure.DisplayName Good.OmniCure.PluralDisplayName sprites/Whitepaws Sprites/Buildings/PowerShaftHorizontalStraight (the last one is a typo in the BlockObjectToolGroupSpec for Shafts )

and a minor warning from timbertrees:

Beaver.Hunger NeedSpec.StartingValue: float vs int
Beaver.Thirst NeedSpec.StartingValue: float vs int

ChippedTeeth is probably over specified (compared to Hunger and Thirst)

[cloud flax]

And remove the hauling tower completely! More space to put RPGs

[still frigate]

I am confused. The rope-maker is fine here, but one more row backwards and it is not. Other things can go all the way back.

Oh... I think it is off its footprint. The footprint shows it all the way back, but the placement ghost doesn't. Waiting for it to build...

Once built it didn't move back, but it is holding that row hostage. It looks like you can't hook power to it, but it does have power. And the road into it had to be extended one square under it.

[sullen cape]

Maybe it's grape juice!

[shell fiber]

i think there's a mod from Luke that does that 🤔

the particle material was just empty, update to 1.0 shook some things loose 😑
but that's fixed now

[shell fiber]

reproducible spec still only takes one probability value as argument, no change allowing to climb up/down or jump

[shell fiber]

that's odd, let me look into this

[shell fiber]

okay, found the issue, just forgot to name the particle attachment

[shell fiber]

grumpf... i need to look into this, there's some weird stuff happening with the ropestairs too 🤔

[shell fiber]

i figured i could combine both, but maybe i got disturbed in the process and forgot to test it 🤐

[shell fiber]

okay well, can't get it to work.
that will be a regular zipline station then 😑

[still frigate]

Well, it was a neat idea if it would have worked.

I would have guessed it would have been as "easy" as getting the scrapper yard working.

(I know none of this is easy, btw.)

[shell fiber]

oh wait, yeah you're right, it should work 🤔

[still frigate]

@shell fiber My guess is that this is just an x/y value off by one. When you fix it, please met me know if I am right.

[shell fiber]

ah, i think it was missing "enterable spec"🤔

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah, right. the transforms are a pain in the $$$ with the new editor, but i'll probably manage

[still frigate]

I hope it is that easy!

[shell fiber]

it was 🙂

[still frigate]

@shell fiber Did you see my older questions about the windmill and the crane?

Both appear to be missing.

[shell fiber]

windmill ? the power generating ones ? i didn't port them since at least u6 🤔
and the rappelling crane is gone yes, was causing issues with trees that i just couldn't fix

[shell fiber]

if you mean the steam vent, there is one 🙂

[still frigate]

I didn't learn about the cranes until u7. 😛

[wheat apex]

Luke made a mod that was able to modify vertical spread of plants: Configurable Growth.
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/configurable-growth#description

That one has been deprecated and combined with Vertical Farming into a V1 mod now called Configurable Plants.
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/configurable-plants-vertical-farming#description

However, the vertical spread option did not make the transition to the V1 mod. You could look at the code in the original or check in with him to see why that option did not get ported to V1.

[still frigate]

I do not. For cases when there is no moving water or geothermal. #1070709592176197642 message

[shell fiber]

well shit, i tried to remove the hauler only upgrade and make the zipline backward compatible and now it just crashes 😑
and i roll back, and it still crashes... 😓

[shell fiber]

and what are people supposed to do with other factions then ?

all of the power generating stuff cost science right ?

[still frigate]

They have hamster wheels or capstan-power

[still frigate]

The manual labor ones are known by default.

[radiant arch]

isn't the smallest battery science-free?

[shell fiber]

yes but building / razing batteries for me is kind of an exploit 🤔

[radiant arch]

water beavers are the only faction that can't power on no-flow maps.. sounds like a feature to me 🙂

[shell fiber]

tbh i don't know if i should consider this kind of lunatic map as a real possibility 🤔

[still frigate]

Well... I made one, but then I am quite insane. 😛

[shell fiber]

is that the map some people were talking about this weekend ? with nearly no clean water ?

[still frigate]

I have made maps with no clean water. It is all mixed abd has to be filtered, but I don't think I shared any of them.

Other people make them too.

One map I am currently playing has lots of geothermal... ALL of them underwater. /laughs

But it also has plenty of running water so it isn't a problem.

No hope for this one with WhitePaws. /laughs

(Not a complaint... just sharing)

[shell fiber]

okay, i found the issue.
somehow the tunnel prefab had lost the name of the thing it was supposed to put under itself 😑
probably that stupid validator converting things poorly, but that would have been an issue sooner or later maybe

anyway, i'm not super fond of the wind power (just leads to scaffolding towers 😑) and not super fond either of the hamster wheel either

i could go with a capstan like thing, but severely nerfedd

[still frigate]

Understood. Bobbing made a treadmill for his LeafCoats.

[shell fiber]

like maybe 4 beavers making 40hp or so

[radiant arch]

very nerfed too

[shell fiber]

yeah, i saw, pretty cool ngl 😊

but let's be realistic, IF we assume a map with no steam vent, and no water current, isn't that completely not viable anyway ?

[still frigate]

I'm not gonna push too hard for a manual power for the WhitePaws. I like @radiant arch 's take that it is a feature that they don't have manual power.

[radiant arch]

would work to get to nephs and gas and slowly build flows with dynamite and all?

assuming there's enough stale water to survive

given how realistic early solar power is that's easy too

or was there any catch in the cost beside tradable solar panel?

[still frigate]

I play with seeps a lot. Put one high up and let players blast a ditch and one can make their own rivers on a map.

[radiant arch]

so issue would at most be early industry power needs?

like 60-200hp?

[still frigate]

You got all the achievements right? Was this one not a total pain? /laughs

I'm working on my last achievement; a no brainer for WhitePaws. 500+ population.

I'm getting there. I just unlocked balloons.

[shell fiber]

no, it's meant to be tradable somewhat easily

[radiant arch]

waiting for whitepaws. 2k power from wheels.. laughable! -> for achievement

oh, wait.. not water wheels but power wheels???

[still frigate]

Those are manual wheels. I complained the whole time I was doing it.

[radiant arch]

easy still.. solar power is wheels 🙂

[shell fiber]

ah, yes

but i could rewrite them as permanent power source, now that we have a script for that

looking at the solar pannels, the hardest thing to obtain without power would likely be the tar for making the balloons

everything else is pretty low tech if you dedicate yourself to it

so maybe it wouldn't be too farfetched to have a manual power generation tool, even if absolute trash

or... the battery cheat 🤔

[radiant arch]

not like it would be needed, but might fit in somewhat

[shell fiber]

oh, i have a great idea

you can use dynamite from the kart to dig a water trench, use a couple of pumps to pump from the extremity, and use the miserable, pathetic trickle of water that feeds it as a power source 😎

[radiant arch]

yeah.. no.. not likely haha

[shell fiber]

well, that's good enough for me today 😂

was there anything else in need of fixing ?

oh, maybe let's try to add your scripts see if anything explodes

[radiant arch]

beaver water wheel instead of beaver power wheel?

[still frigate]

I like my unified power. All from the good water wheels.

[radiant arch]

i know i wont make it.. but now i want a super oversized primitive walking wheel to have 10s of beavers lift a tiny amount of water 3 or 4 tiles up.. just enough to give minimal power..

would finally give meaning to all the lazy bums and extra bots late game too 🙂

[shell fiber]

hmm... manual water mover is not really doable, i had a try a long time ago, but the water mover really expect to be fed mechanical power from outside

you can maybe make it both produce and consume, but that's awkward

[shell fiber]

@radiant arch what's the difference between all those ?

immutable i suppose i see

ah

drought is just not affected by drought, and the other one not affected by badtides ?

[radiant arch]

ehm.. drought resist halves strength on drought. you not used that before

immutable does make it ignore changes to strength

clean makes it ignore changes to contamination

so if you want to have it ignore both drought and badtide you'd need immutable and clean

[shell fiber]

oh, i see

thank you !

[shell fiber]

it's working just fine for now, amazing !😊

[still frigate]

@radiant arch I noticed your scripts in mods. Do they do anything for WhitePaws?

[radiant arch]

0.7 had them basically, so only a copy for those and 1.0 upgrades, so others can use them too if needed

might conflict with 0.7 whitepaws as they have same copy of one script

[still frigate]

But they are needed for 1.0?

[radiant arch]

would guess so

with next update that is