Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

well yes, but at the same time having a million buildings can be overwhelming, and that makes clutter in the menus

[radiant heart]

the harvester not really but the lumberjack yeah, for my banana harvesting don't need the triangle with a "tower" beside not like a log farming land

yeah, that or putting a tempshift plate in granit on it to replug it but i'd like to find a lidgit way to deal with it. Got 2 Pwater vent not that far ( one -10 one 30) so i'm gonna make a huge pool and once i think there is enough water to do something break it open and pray 🤣

I like his stuff but there is something with his tone and energy that i'm having a hard time watchigng for a long time ...

[shell fiber]

ah, i see. cold water vents are really the best in my opinion, free water and free cold energy

[static rivet]

Hey how is the mod going for U6? What did you decide with sluices and levees etc for aqueducts?

[snow scroll]

from my perspective as a channel lurker...

there is continous progress made toward U6. lots of the ways things worked are affected and it takes time. no huge worries anticipated. yet we shall see when it goes live.

the mod creator is extremely passionate about thje mod and promptly attends any issues you can post here.

[radiant heart]

Gonne be a fun time for sure, haven't played timberborn for a bit, gonnabe fun comming back to all those new things

[snow scroll]

U6 also brings many workarounds for the mods intended difficulty hurdles. It will be interesting discovering the new hurdles implemented in the Water Beaver Overhaul

[radiant heart]

just the early game gonna be a hot mess, there were a lot of changes since i last started a new run

[snow scroll]

agreed. im so into wbo I havent really tried U6 and am a lil anxious. heh

[radiant heart]

last time i played non WB is when U5 came out and it broke the mod, vanilla factions are now super confusing for me 😅

[snow scroll]

is the abyss gas extractor supposed to be zero science?

if not prolly 1500!?

[snow scroll]

Science from thin air... even me w my modded start settings, thinks that is cheaty

[snow scroll]

? I set my temperate cycle to have a chancew of 21 days top end. I used to delay bad tidew 10 cycles then I discovered {with something you wrote I believe) the corruption prevention of Irrigation towers

[radiant heart]

kk but what do you mean by "science from thin air?"

[snow scroll]

in vanilla. No ingredients/reagents/not even power

[radiant heart]

kk

[shell fiber]

But sure I understand what you mean 🤔

[shell fiber]

Ah

Yeah I don't really like it, it's "build this science thing and then forget it is even a thing" basically

[shell fiber]

oh, sorry i had forgot to answer.

honestly i have still no idea what to do with them. i think i want a sluice house, like basically a normal sluice but it's also a 2x3 house.

regarding the impermeable floor, i didn't think much of it but i think that will be completely unnecessary, since most buildings are already watertight, and with the current water system, many of them are simply unfloodable.

but i'm still working on rebuilding the mod, i have to remake every single building through meshy, and fix some broken stuff simply due to changes in game code, but i'm moving forward.

right now here's where i am :

• Dams ✅
• Fences ✅
• Monuments ✅
• Water Stuff ✅
• Well being ✅
• Food & harvesting 🟠
• Heavy industry
• Housing
• Manufacturing
• Plants
• Power
• Science
• Storage
• Townstuff
• Bot

the thing is that some of them are easier than others, some are more complex

for example the manufactury and heavy industry may or may not be hell

storage and housing should be fairly easy

bot contains like 3 things

[static rivet]

yeah its a tough one, and then when u7 comes along more changes could mean another overhaul. personally next time i try the mod i'll probably do it without badtides if you don't have sluices etc as the early game is hard enough without science that having to try to manage/anticipate badtide/contamination/ruined crops takes up a lot of time early game especially when you are trying to manage buildings/population. and as you will have to get badwater anyway and the bucketing is risky for contamination, its a big early game hump to get over. the real fun for me is getting deeper into the tech tree and having fun with the new production lines and buildings, the constant battle with badtides makes it a lot less enjoyable. i had to stop watching JC's latest playthrough as i was getting stressed just watching him get stressed lol

it would be great if there was some way to incorporate aqueducts tho anyway

[shell fiber]

I don't see what U7 could possibly be that would mandate yet another overhaul of the mod's asset, but hope they won't do something like that because honestly i don't think i would have the courage to do it again. i kind of hoped to be done with this project quite a while ago.

but i think once i've migrated everything to timbermesh and have it all organized somewhat properly, i'll put it on github or something, so that people other than me can do / help fixing the thing in future updates.

as for aqueducts... possible, but no promises at this point

[static rivet]

well for the longest time we were used to 2D water and they surprised us by making it possible to have aqueducts, i guess the next step would be proper landscaping/caves etc. but i'm hoping they work on expanding some of the base game tech tree and buildings to add more depth to game especially late game, which is where WBO works so well

[radiant heart]

Agree at 100%, the tech tree and the late game stuff makes that mod exceptonnal, basicaly i was done with timberborn untill i found that mod

and then i played it for over 2k+ hours and counting !

[woeful sun]

The aqueducts's in Water Extension are very pretty. Besides changing resource costs, and textures, I don't know that there would be much else to do though.

I sort of feel like it should be possible to unlock a group of stuff with one pack of science,

[radiant heart]

a long ass aquaduct on top of giant sequoia pillars gonna look awesome

[woeful sun]

like it doesn't make sense to have 5 items behind say 200 science each, because 200 is too cheap,

rather unlock all 5 for 1000 science,

(scaled for what makes sense)

or maybe make it "can't unlock B unless A is also unlocked"

[radiant heart]

for something like the medical bed maybe, but think it could become too restrictive, let's say pumps and the upgrade are paired, it pushes back the deep pump quite far

[woeful sun]

Dynamite is a good example, you shouldn't be able to unlock double dynamite until you've unlocked single

[radiant heart]

WB already have that A->B->... chain in, like 3-4 more layers then the vanilla game already

[radiant heart]

ho yeah, that one i totaly agree

well, kinda, it makes sence but the deeper ones are quite pricier in the WB at least

[woeful sun]

yea, but if you can do double, then obviously you can do single

Because at the moment, the science tree is completely flat. You either have it unlocked or not,

and the "tree"ness is made from the required materials

[radiant heart]

yeah, my point is on the WB the extra price is quite heavier then the vanilla ones, those deeper ones are for mid game+, had a hard time trying to use those too soon

[woeful sun]

yep, totally agree

[radiant heart]

builders send all the nitro to the deep dynamites and there is none available to actually make the sticks

[woeful sun]

I was thinking for like aqueducts, if you bring in the water extension mod, then it has at least half a dozen different aqueducts pieces, and they're all basically the same,

so it doesn't make sense to make you pay individually for each of them,

as they're basically the same structures, just with different layouts,

[snow scroll]

or like the windmills, 10 sci each

[woeful sun]

yea, although maybe you need a little more science to make the higher ones more stable,

[radiant heart]

guess it's doabl to have stuff locked together, kinda like the "planting building" unlocks the ability to grow "x,y,z"

[snow scroll]

Shaft pieces 50 sci each

[woeful sun]

I think things that are just "longer"/"higher", have an odd science distribution at the moment

yea, shafts is another example,

It would make sense to unlock based on complexity,

so all 2-way (turns) intersections would be grouped

and 3-ways grouped, because they have additional complexity

eg Turn, Upwards, Downward should be grouped because they're all turns

(or maybe upward/downward/vertical should be grouped)

[radiant heart]

wait a minute, a horizontal turn is far less complex then a upward peice tht will need the structure to support whatever goes on it 😂

[snow scroll]

cost progression for complexity makes sense and thus choosing to jump double dynomite to grab triple first... if you went by cost , dbl first, choosing to pay more for triple doesnt negate haveing to still pay to use duble.

the simple pieces are free

[woeful sun]

yes, but I find it weird being able to use double or triple, but not single,

[snow scroll]

you need additional buildins. thats part of the cost of progression

[radiant heart]

like you would make the bigger more expensive but it unlocks the other one at the same time?

[snow scroll]

in vanilla, locked by additional resources, extract

[woeful sun]

I don't know how the costs would change, but moe that either the expensive unlocks the cheap, or that you can only unlock the expensive once the cheap is unlocked,

so eg currently A needs 200, and B needs 400, -- I'd propose A needs 200, and B needs A+200

So the cost of B is the same,

[snow scroll]

tier progression of unlocks. makes sense. yet, we are playing herh

[woeful sun]

(acutally might need rebalancing as A needs 300 and B needs A+300, to keep total cost to 600)

[radiant heart]

the question is, does it really need to make sence?

[snow scroll]

heh, yes, simply, my point!

[woeful sun]

I guess the WB way is to "lock" them behind required materials/blueprints,

[snow scroll]

extensively and multi tiered resources with other dependancies

[woeful sun]

no like Dams all require fasteners, once you have fasteners, you can pretty much build any of the 3 types,

same for dam upgrades, you only need to add tar,

[radiant heart]

still is locked enough IMO it's already much more complex then the base game. Base game tho they could work a bit more on the science part of the game I totally agree, the set and forget is nice but way too easy for that

to have some lvl of "set and forget" science for the WB it's a whole other game

i tend to build a 6~8 giga drills to feed an army of treb and export the rss with the balloons to avoid the clogging

[static rivet]

If you look at it the other way, in human technology, often the first iterations of a new 'product' are expensive and bulky and often overengineered, later iterations are usually smaller, more efficient and less expensive. That's my logic for why you can get big boom before little (more controlled) boom 😜

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-well-you-are-wrong-gif-20682152

[snow scroll]

heh

I, again, have been schooled by WBO.

built an everblossom clockwork mega tower. destroyed the Bocci court as it was flooding periodically. (or may have allegedly, been trying to 'beat' the system) on reload, w/o the court as base, the tower went poof

[snow scroll]

I was thinkin on this. Not only should I be using a lot more flags over dedicated buildings, but I think my desire is for more tetris pieces. I know you are trying to eliminate buildings, yet... bye bye 2x3 harvesrter. bye bye 2x2x2 wood cutter (keep woodfeller plantification lodge in game though) and like an iteration of the fermenter, a 2x2x3 tall (maybe papermill type door)a 2x4 lodge would be stellar

and I was sad when I saw the 'brun' sawdust removed. placeholder ananas juice is still in screwpress. and is abyss gas extractor supposed to be zero science?

[snow scroll]

I still think a scrappers tent would be cool, and The woodfeller model with the blocked second story has a purpose and shouldnt be abandoned

heh. just my two cents. I know, the penny jar is full😅

[shell fiber]

well if people like them i guess i can keep them

i think the gaz exctractor was meant to be the first module you could get so it was free, i didn't want every single part to cost a million science

[snow scroll]

Iono, I seem to be the only one championing them... I do like the Idsa of another 3 tall building

and no complaints, I guess I was just surprised w the gaz extractor

[snow scroll]

Could the mega platform be alowed rto go over the medium mine?

[snow scroll]

I reread and I wasnt clear. the name. yer clever. its cute. just rename the loggers barn to that. the building does seem to have a purpose. i find it inconvienent yet that seems to be a goal of the mod. we can call it, 'tests of creativity'. like the power shafts and a 'no doorway' waterfall allocation in a house/wall/reservoir/dam

[shell fiber]

sd

[snow scroll]

Shaft voxel and Buried flags... rough modding session?

[shell fiber]

well that looks awful 😅

[shell fiber]

nah the white box is the devmod power generator

and the upside down flag is a flag that can't be placed for the purpose of... i don't actually remember

actually i don't think it is necessary anymore

[snow scroll]

Well, with the distillery colors it may not look so bad in a colony setting

[radiant heart]

the outdide follows the color of what's brewing inside?

[snow scroll]

out of curiosity, whats yer next project. I understand you are ready for a next stage. heheh WBO can take over... and Im not the one supposed to make it work heh

fair warning. I have a huge mancrush on yer brain. Here is where youd give me a fake number/mod yer werkin on next. I cant tell ya how much I appreciate the way you break things down for the 'layperson' and share your thought process

[shell fiber]

ooooh

well no they don't, but that's an idea

i mean... ideally i would want every reciepe to have its own model

but ughh

[radiant heart]

if doable that sure could be nice as a visual cue, the little pot inside is a bit hard to see when zoomed out

[shell fiber]

oh the pot is always brewing awful stew

[radiant heart]

Ooo lol

[snow scroll]

little pot inside always shoews awful stew no matter recipe

[radiant heart]

tought it was following

[shell fiber]

anyway, it's late, enough modding for today, GN !

[radiant heart]

GN

[snow scroll]

thanks

[shell fiber]

My next project it's actually completely unrelated, I don't know how viable it is but I've been itching to do something about French politics. I've poked at some parties that mostly agree with, but the issue is that basically you won't go anywhere is you don't 100% share the views of whoever is in charge on your local group. Even if you explain things in the most logical way possible with all the proofs, it just falls in dead ears, they just don't listen.

[snow scroll]

and then there is the money aspect....

cool. its the only way to make change. To take an active role.

[red bridge]

how do you get those drugs

"brain boosting salts"

[snow scroll]

the right amount of bad water

[red bridge]

really funny

[snow scroll]

oh for real, heh,

[red bridge]

like what building

[snow scroll]

strong alcohol. start with half fermented sake ina fermentation barrel

make strong alcohol in distillery from the sake

switch to chestnut beer when can

fermentation house when tar makes sake faster. wine cellar real fast

fermentation is in the food tab

[red bridge]

what the fuck

they made science imposible

[snow scroll]

distillery is in village jobs

not impossible. meaningful

this aint yer grammas Timberborn heh

[red bridge]

like science was mid hard

but now

@snow scroll how to get easy science

[radiant heart]

"easy science" is not really a thing with the WB

[red bridge]

true lol

i need to travel across the map for badwater

since it is a custom map

[snow scroll]

log stairs, crappy platforms and irrigation towers are early game friends

[red bridge]

i wanted to give myself cancer with mod map

[snow scroll]

Science is not easy and can haunt you for the whole run. make its production chains a priority

[red bridge]

i built like a metropolis in previous update but now i have to start all over agin

any tips to cure minor injuries early game?

@snow scroll

[snow scroll]

its an early 160 sci sink. injury and disease beds

im not posituve yet they seem to scale with proximity to production structures. maybe.

[red bridge]

i swear those beavers just dont wanna work in the mines

[radiant heart]

beds are nice to help productivity but not really a must

at least not before late game stuff like the foundry where beavers get burned a lot

[red bridge]

i like how can you build one stacked flats

[snow scroll]

me too!

[shell fiber]

The "efficient science" recipe is mostly interesting to reduce berry consumption, but you need to make strong alcohol as @snow scroll says but it's more resource intensive, you're basically trading something limited (berries) for something that is not (rice).

But at some point you have to make brain salts for the blueprints no matter what. (It's made in the alchemist of your haven't figured out)

In general it's not what I would call impossible but on some maps badwater can be very difficult to access

[snow scroll]

my lil laptop crashes to desktop somewhewre between 12-1300 Beavers.. Im contemplating trying another reload and razing most of the colony...

[red bridge]

Ngl im not a huge fan of bad water update

[red bridge]

yo @shell fiber will my beavers get sick if they gonna mine clay in contaminated water/mixed water?

[shell fiber]

they can't, the building will say "blocked by badwater"

[red bridge]

mixed water too?

[shell fiber]

many people find it quite annoying

[red bridge]

what the hell happened to brambles man

[shell fiber]

the game as a rule for how much pollution triggers that, i didn't change anythign on that side

[red bridge]

and what is that shreck monster that eats beavers in the mines bro

[heavy lodge]

monsters ... I mean accident can happen 🤣

[shell fiber]

a grue ? it's a reference to Zork, which is a very old point and click style game

basically if you went into a dark place without a torch or something, the game would tell you "it's dark, you risk being eaten by a grue" and if you press forward, you indeed get eaten by a grue, whatever a grue is 😅

[red bridge]

lol

add potatoes so u can brew vodka🤣

[red bridge]

how to build that warm storage?

[shell fiber]

you need a hand of soup first, then the bowl can be build on top

fixed that

[red bridge]

ok

[shell fiber]

also, someone was asking about the tappershack protruding on the road in an ugly manner, i couldn't fix it at the time because the building was originally 2x2 and changing its size would have caused it to implode in people's saves, but i eventually could change it

well now the shrooms color is too intense

grumpf

welp, that will do for now

[red bridge]

well well well

[shell fiber]

whelp, they had been warn about the dark.
probably 😅

[red bridge]

cabbage is op

[shell fiber]

Is it ? I don't remember but I'm pretty sure basically carrots +/-10% or something.
A bit more drought resistant too

[red bridge]

insanely versetile + really easy to grow

that grue rn just got a double kill lol

[red bridge]

@shell fiber is the mod meant to be played like this?

proper dammage

[shell fiber]

Yeah, as long as you don't build houses without connecting them there's the idea 😉

[red bridge]

im like RCE at this point

why are my beavers getting contaminated for no reason

[red bridge]

WE GOT SCIENCE

[snow scroll]

taa daa! Not impossible

Looks like lots of Meshy work! Kudos

[red bridge]

i just started over

not a mod map

easier

[snow scroll]

I started WBO on a map I made. Played quite a bit, got the hang of it, understood the progressipon better, then I went to the Mod creators map intended for WBO and have had to restart plenty. Last restart was my computer couldnt handle it all. tryin to streamline even more this time.

[red bridge]

@shell fiber how to get methane?

[abstract vector]

Split lotuses into nephumars and flowers then ferment the nephumars into methane

[red bridge]

thanks

[red bridge]

where do i split them?

[red bridge]

@shell fiber is the gristmill watertight?

[shell fiber]

Handicrafter in village > town jobs

[shell fiber]

Yeah the blocky part of it, but it should be written

[red bridge]

ok

im pulling an all-nighter bc of your mod

lol

@shell fiber is there a limit to discrict range

[shell fiber]

Not anymore 😊

[red bridge]

LETS GO

[snow scroll]

I say its the Mod, but its probably the brain boosting salts😇

[red bridge]

my legs dont work properly anymore

[red bridge]

those stupid beavers just want to lay in medical beds all day

[shell fiber]

doesn't seem that bad of a lifestyle 😅

[red bridge]

does the geneva convention apply to beavers?

[heavy lodge]

Jail is for contaminated ones, not for injury ones 😛

[red bridge]

no i just stripped them of helthcare and hospitality rights

no hospital equals no sick people

[shell fiber]

They're still not gonna work though 😅

[shell fiber]

Working on the storage folder now, as expected it is pretty easy. Plus I need it earlier since warm storage items cause crashes of no storage building is available

I want to try to get someone playable soon-ish so I'll leave aside some of the most annoying / complex buildings (like the farm upgrades) so I can move forward faster

That said don't expect anything before at least one or two weeks

[halcyon trellis]

@shell fiber JC will be your first guinea pig when it's ready

[shell fiber]

Not necessarily a good idea

[halcyon trellis]

Have you seen his lemon map woes ... I think that will be the point

In all honesty the map is rough and he's doing well. But it's good fun

[halcyon trellis]

The left looks like the menu picture for one of those hole in the wall fast food Chinese places that's a sleeper hit

I do appreciate the anatomically correct placed hands

[storm gulch]

Hey, they're mirrored and everything!

[rare ferry]

Still need that giant beaver head to go between them.

[woeful sun]

Check out my Timbertrees mod. There's also an online version for Water Beavers if you don't want to download the whole mod -- which is just the same files extracted, there's no in-game integration.

Everything is searchable with your regular browser find text feature. If you click a resource it'll only show buildings with recipes that generate/need that resource.

You can also filter down to only generate, or only need with the top-right filter at that point.

[snow scroll]

Nice work! could use a <back to main> and an icon legend!

mouse overs would be sweet

[woeful sun]

Back to main? If you click the resource again it removes the filter.

Mouse over to show what?

Yea, icons would be sweet. I wasn't sure about the licence for them though, so have skipped them for now because I didn't want to distribute them

[shell fiber]

i also eventually figured it out, but that's actually not obvious at all.
still not sure what the arrows are supposed to do though

probably filter between what makes and what takes the ressource

[shell fiber]

Current progress

• Dams ✅
• Fences ✅
• Monuments ✅
• Water Stuff ✅
• Well being ✅
• Food & harvesting 🟠
• Heavy industry
• Housing ✅
• Manufacturing
• Plants
• Power
• Science
• Storage ✅
• Townstuff
• Bot

[sullen cape]

Yay, it's so much work though, thanks Lapan!

I need a new Water Beavers save file, one that uses less or no districts and slightly better drought/wet season cycles haha

[snow scroll]

Is the Tangerine dot <In Progress>?

[halcyon trellis]

🟠 IYKYK

Just messing around, I have no clue

[shell fiber]

Kind of, mostly done but not complete

[shell fiber]

Actually most of the work is fixing things that blender has messed up 😅

Typically animations and slots

For the slots it's easier to deal with them in unity, but the animations... Ugh

[sullen cape]

Oh I wonder what happened, and it might not be worth the time but I wonder if it's something you could fix en mass?

[shell fiber]

it's not very hard to fix, but blender doesn't like importing names with unusal characters inside, to for example paper.folktails becomes paper_folktails but for the sake of the game's timbermesh system names must be exact.

if you import mutiple things with have a common texture, it will also thing that's an accident and rework the names by adding a number

so you end up with 20 copies of the same texture and you have to reattribute them all to a single one that has the right exact name

but at least this part is pretty easy since blender has good tools to do that.

[shell fiber]

not much of a change visually, but i cleaned up the library model :

the old one was a huge mess

[silver phoenix]

the different texture does make it look cleaner indeed

[shell fiber]

Oh some wood types do not appear in unity because they are just lighting variants of other material, the color palette is going to be essentially the same. It's just that I removed a crap ton of unnecessary things like using a full 3d wood beam to hide a hole when a 2d rectangle would have worked fine, remade the frame that was a mess overlapping beams, made the flooring level and flatter, removed redundant internal faces etc. Etc.

Overall that was completely unnecessary but it feels so much cleaner in my head 😅

*oh except the outside of the library is going to use the same flowery plaster as the clinic because I like it 😉

[snow scroll]

Sweet! I also like the clinic. It is so subtle, I didnt even realize it was flowery. The new texture may even make it easier to select the library when one has the <I>nventory labels on. the library can get hidden behind scroll rack labels. Oh... By chance did you make the scroll rack more intuitive? Maybe gthe racks go just in front of bookcases rathar than currently can path align 90degrees from book texture.

[shell fiber]

oh, no there's no saving the scrollracks on that side, or i would need to rework the entire library.

but with the pantry mod battery_smooth has made i could make somethign that stores all scrolls at the same time

[shell fiber]

basically the issue is that buildings that have an entrance imply a path from the entrance point (the arrow) to the voxel behind it, but since i want the entire scrollrack to fit in a 1x1 volume entrance included, and the central 2x1 voxels of the library are not walkable, there's no other way that having the entrance on the side, which is a bit weird but that works

[snow scroll]

You could be a quality proffessor! I appreciate your approachability and how you go so far as to give the why, in layman-ish terms. Thanks for helping me understand.

[halcyon trellis]

Hell ya @kind spire pantry is great. Love using it to decorate instead of having to have warehouses every where

[kind spire]

Thanks! For full disclosure, almost all of the code isn’t mine, it’s Tobbert’s

[gleaming tree]

Just say lapan should talk to battery and tobbert about WBO version, pls

[radiant heart]

If you want to "pre-release" a version without science stuff pretty sure a few in here would give it a go 😉 would chop a chunk of the not checked stuff

[radiant heart]

Pantry is a much more user friendly version of the "buffet" and "Fuit Bar" 😛 don't think WBs are getting that building

[shell fiber]

Oh I'm just going to make it a dependency then can the code on my own buildings

That's how it worked for the irrigation towers

[delicate leaf]

Your iron and other minable stuff, that in json at all? If so I'd like to make a mod with a new mine (not tied to the underground ruins) that includes all that material and then makes the mine available to every faction. Could then make my mod a dependency to avoid a conflict in goods specs. Dunno what other factions would use it for but maybe other mods could make use of the goods for their buildings and structures

At least it would make sense for a mine mod to add said goods

[sullen cape]

We should make it so the beavers eventually die without science now 🤣 Jokes

[heavy lodge]

Beavers to consume 1 science points per day ? Sure not with this mod 🤣

[sullen cape]

Ouch that's brutal

[shell fiber]

yeah it's all Jsons, you can get them all from mod.io but i'll ''soon'' upload a U6 version, in which you'll also find the icons and stuff.

i think conflicting specs will not be an issue as long as we keep the same path, since they made it so that they automatically replace each other when identical things are in identical places.

[delicate leaf]

yeah that only applies to the .optional, those are ignored if the source item doesn't exist in the 1st place so 1 mod has to be the source to begin with

I'll wait for the U6 version before I extract the json but wether my mod becomes the source or you split them off into another mod of your own, either way is fine but I don't want my mod to list your water beavers as a requirement. Sure I plan to add an optional for the water beavers (more likely I'll just add the mine as a common building as I did others) but the I don't want it to be mandatory just for the materials to be available

[shell fiber]

not much progress on weekdays as usual, but i'm done with let's say 70% of the Bot and Science folder

i think the next thing i want ot fix will be the broken kart and new district center, then let's have a run at this mess

unless there is something critical that i'm forgetting

[radiant heart]

best way to fin out is to give it a try I suppose!

[shell fiber]

i'm just looking at it and the bridges etc are...somewhat facultative

actually no, that's pretty easy to fix

[radiant heart]

bridges are a big thing it that mod tho

[shell fiber]

the functionnality is detached from the model

[radiant heart]

No1 they are far superior to the vanilla one
No2 with the restriction on platforms and all have to heavyly rely on those

[shell fiber]

and what i have to fix is mostly models

i still am not sure how i'll handle the disappearance of "heavy stackable" though

but there's a chance that using the "unfinished ground" stackability restriction works too

i just haven't tested yet

[radiant heart]

maybe battery_smooth got something for you on that one, think it was used too in the flywheel mod

[shell fiber]

yeah, that's basically how i made the upgrades impossible to place anywhere but where i want

anyway, GN !

[radiant heart]

GN!

[silk knoll]

I have two questions for the waterbeaver mod. 1) Where is the power input on the mechanical water pump, and 2) why does lemonade not appear to quench thirst? I have a coloney nearly wipe with almost 1k lemonade stockpiled.

[gleaming tree]

If you beavers have already drank lemonade, then they can't drink more until the buff runs out. Power input I think is on the right side. Haven't unlocked it myself

Idk ratio but I think they can drink it once every 2-3days

[silk knoll]

Ah, that makes sense even if it's not obvious. Shame that's not part of the tooltip, it was almost a fatal dicovrey!

[silk knoll]

I've got one built but I don't see the star. I'm worried it's on the bottom but no other building to my knowledge has that.

[gleaming tree]

It's says you shouldn't drink to much because it's bad for the teeth

Try to just put a pole to either side like vanilla pump

[silk knoll]

I've never played vanilla

where is that?

[gleaming tree]

Connect a shaft to the side of the pump, not the front or back and see if it works. Also I ment shaft not pole

[silk knoll]

Got it, thanks

[gleaming tree]

Np mate

[woeful sun]

oh boy, JC keeps on deliverying the laughs

||WB power connection requirements|| 😂 😂 😂

[radiant heart]

it plugs on both sides

[gleaming tree]

Curious thou, are you able to chain them together like vanilla or do you have to put a shaft connecting them

[heavy lodge]

Is not that easy, this mod is for suffering. Each building connect to power in different way, and cannot be chained by side ...

[radiant heart]

yeas, it's the only building in the mod i think you can actually do that

[radiant heart]

except for the mecha fluid pump 😉 that one is still vanilla behavior

[silk knoll]

I've found it pretty easy so far. The game is tame in comparison to ONI.

[radiant heart]

the base game is quite easy, WB makes it a lot harder but yeah it's still quite easy compared to ONI

[silk knoll]

Any idea how I can properly place the logging loft on the forester and logging building?

the help sign is hard to see

shifting the forestry back a tile didn't fix it

[shell fiber]

your placement is correct, but the tower's entrance is on the roof of the lumberjack

there's a flat-ish area that serves as a path

on the right

[silk knoll]

Hmmm, so like this?

[shell fiber]

yeah 🙂

[silk knoll]

Cool, thanks!

[shell fiber]

@storm gulch if you want to try ☝

[storm gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-counted-fingers-solution-gif-15969853

My brain attempting to do an architecture

[shell fiber]

Ugh, I had forgot about the light industry folder and all the plants, then I can give it a try 😓
But fixing the broken kart is done, it even uses less custom textures, I fused a bunch of utility custom textures into one single image instead of loading five different ones

[kind spire]

I might be able to help out with that - I've been looking into how to implement a 'plug and socket' system for this kinda use-case for the AmpEars, taking the way that the badwater dones (etc) work

It would likely require having a specification for the 'plug' and one for the 'socket', and the specify the centers of the plug and socket, and what building(s) can connect

[slate fable]

Tall Platforms say that other buildings can be built on top, but I'm finding everything is red when I try. Is that intended?

[radiant heart]

it can't be a waterproof building

[gleaming tree]

Key word levvee or watertight

[slate fable]

It's a real tricky pack, I like it.

[radiant heart]

Very curious how the U6 will affect those, think last news is "watertight" => "unfloodable" that sure would ma things interesting but not sure wheere lapan is on that

[shell fiber]

Didn't really have time to mod this week, but the GF will be away this weekend so hopefully I can get to a playable version, then we'll see.

But most likely watertight will equal unfloodable unless the game accepts some shenanigans that I have in mind

[gleaming tree]

I love shenanigans

[shell fiber]

I don't think you need to go that far, the bad water dome relies on the "bottom matching prefab" script, which is just fine most of the time.
What would be nice is to have a custom one that asks for a list of valid prefabs (accepting himself) or that can tolerate sitting between two prefabs of valid names

[shell fiber]

Well I noticed the floodgates can be set at any value now (in 0.05 increments) while before it was in 0.5 increments, which case just differentiating between full blocks and on/off latching dams.

So maybe I can set buildings to be watertight up to 0.9 height, which means they would behave almost the same as before

Ah but if you make a whole wall out of them water may leak between floors 🤔

Hmmm 🤔🤔

There is still ways... Maybe.

That would require lots of testing

[sullen cape]

What's the code behind the bottom matching prefab script...?

[kind spire]

To paraphrase it, it looks at the prefab name at the base of where you're placing the 'on top' prefab and ensures that the names match. This also means that the base level of both prefabs needs to be the same (So they both have to be 'placed on' height=10, for example)

[sullen cape]

if (current_prefab == prefab001 OR prefab002) etc, might want to cycle through an array of valid prefabs instead. My coding skills aren't that great 😅

So you have a list of blocks under each tile of the building
Then you run the check for each block under the building, could get a little laggy if the building's big

But if the existing script checks each tile under the building already for you, then you just have to get it to check more than one building in the if statement, or change it to a switch statement

[kind spire]

Ah, so you want to have it as an array instead of a constant?

[sullen cape]

Oh you can't do a const array, maybe a switch statement would work better than

At least in C#

[kind spire]

Well, you could replicate the logic around the bottom matching system, but rather than a string to match the name of, you could use a List<string> instead, and do .Contains("prefabName")

I'm hoping to make a plug and socket placement system though, we'll see how that goes

[sullen cape]

Yes that would probably work better, my coding skills are super basic 😂

[kind spire]

Mine aren't that great either tbh, just a lot of head-bashing lol

[sullen cape]

🙂

[slate fable]

🙂

[slate fable]

With what WBO has done it suprises me the Devs havn't added some of these features into main, seems like the engine is capable of so much more.

[heavy lodge]

Why ? Timberborn is supposed to be playable for a huge numbers of people, not for only a few that likes "even more suffering" 🤣

[slate fable]

Not the suffering bit, the upgradable buildings, the variations for new beaver races. The trading for example.

They added all this richness to thier engine, then their game doesn't use it.

[slate fable]

Are stairs and overhangs really the only way to build up?

I fel like I'm missing a trick.

[radiant heart]

pit and ladder lodges

and a good game of tetris with your buildings

[slate fable]

Ah, it's deliberate, lol

I should have guessed

[radiant heart]

later on you get the giant log pillars that go up to 5 iirc but to go higher then that, it's tetris time

[slate fable]

I'm at the need methane level of the game.

[radiant heart]

at one point you could use the trunk of the giant sequoias too but not sure if it's still a thing

[radiant heart]

that's a funny one untill the elevator to the abyss

[slate fable]

I was imagining a wind famr mae atop those giant logs

[radiant heart]

then it's trivial

[radiant heart]

problem is you don't get a height of 6 on those and the 3 high windfarm sucks

at that point make a hamster wheel field and use those useless eaters to generate power

[slate fable]

Yea, many tiny holes made with dynamite

Like this, on overhangs from the top of giant logs

[radiant heart]

iirc you can't have an overhend from the top one of the giant logs, only bridges. aloong the sides you can tho but don't think it will let you put the windmill, will interfer with the log

[slate fable]

Aww, shucks, there goes that idea

[radiant heart]

there is so much tiny restrictions like that that can overturn a well tought plan in a second

part of the fun tho!

[slate fable]

You know what this game needs, well for WBO, queues. I keep over producings blueprints.

[slate fable]

How do I get a Nursing License, having trouble finding any guides and it's not on the wiki.

[gleaming tree]

Pretty sure it's at the library

[slate fable]

I see it now, thank you.

[radiant heart]

to be fair some you want to overproduce tho! otherwise the 5 that are stored in the "fancier" ( artist iirc) are more then enough

[woeful sun]

Try https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/timbertrees. It's juts a bunch of static html files, so you can just use the online version if you don't want to dl the mod. Mobile compatable too 🙂

[slate fable]

I don't seem to be able to place this H3 windmill, I can place others at a lower heigh. Have I hit the top of the map?

Oh, you can't place them over the bottom of the map

Looks like you have to leave one mud tile to get them to place.

Nope, that's not it.

Quite odd behaviour.

Ok, so it's not atleast x metres, it's exactly that

I minded down a little too far

[radiant heart]

exactly, that little wooden cross need to land on something

[gleaming tree]

in simple terms, the windmill must be x tiles above dirt

x is the hieght of the windmill selected

[radiant heart]

not only dirt, needs "something"

[snow scroll]

except the gravity batteries and the mechanical pump, in WBO are both linkable

[snow scroll]

i use overhang platforms from tops of cliffs. the height show-er mod is useful for quickly determining which 10sci point windmill is appropriate. sometimes dynomite down one or two or place a platform under.

[heavy lodge]

YA, not yet exist new ones 😬

[shell fiber]

yeah the game engine is really versatile and allows stuff that i honestly didn't really think it would😅

[gleaming tree]

bramble on paths XD

[radiant heart]

bramble on building foundations is quite worst, trust me, it was a thing at some point😅

[gleaming tree]

o.o

[radiant heart]

and didn't have badwater to poison them or the super lumberjack to try and clean them faster...

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-diego-yup-those-were-the-good-days-good-days-gif-23944876

[stone spruce]

I'm with you on this. There are a lot of concepts in the WBO mod that are excellent -- the pain is optional, but the upgrades, watertight buildings, trading, etc, are all awesome ideas. And I'll be honest, I'd like the main game to have a faction that's more like the base mechanics of WBO. If only because 'everything's a house, everything needs water, everything can be used in the water' feels like a bit more how I'd expect hyperintelligent beavers to actually evolve

[gleaming tree]

Absolutely

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369

[radiant heart]

If I had one "improvment" from the WB that I want with the original game i'd have a hard time deceiding between the "upgrades" for buildings or simply the access of the bridges, more meaningfulll science comes a close 3rd right after

[gleaming tree]

I mean the multistage building for the repopulater things are basically it next to bots employment. After that, there's not much. I think for a "meaningful" research use is to have somethings require points to build, or constant usage for a recipe.

Building upgrades would be cool and bridges are op some times

[radiant heart]

The wonder could be an easy one to have "upgrade" instead you split it in 4 and it stacks with each part doing a special thing and the top one beeing the same as if you build it

[shell fiber]

Having recipes that consume science point is possible, quite easy even. The only thing is that it doesn't "consume" science, it produces negative points.

One thing I considered at some point was to make capitalist beavers that use cash for all sorts of things, which you could do by replacing a bunch of text strings and icons so that science becomes money.

But alas, the science system is allowed to go in the negative so you could just ignore it entirely and run infinite deficits.

There is a work around though, typically the bot control tower script stops if you run out of science, so you could make a need that depletes fast and slaps beavers with -500 wellbeing when empty or something, that would force people to stay in the positive

Tbh I kind of want to do it, modding timberborn is fun but at the same time there other things I want to do in life 😅

[heavy lodge]

or, not having science, to force to be unemployed as being too stupid to work 🤣

[sullen cape]

My poor, poor beaver 😱

[slate fable]

But they breed so fast, they're basically expendable.

In fact there are times when killing them off is easier than growing the colony.

[snow scroll]

SHHH!!! not so loud

[heavy lodge]

Not give to RCE some ideas 🤣

[slate fable]

lol

[snow scroll]

Or lapan to expidite the code to "fail condition" for mtoo many dead beavs

[sullen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/my-precious-gollum-lotr-rings-gif-26678083

[slate fable]

I wasn't paying attention

Timberborn - Prison Project

[heavy lodge]

Nope, is Balcatraz 🤣

[slate fable]

I should have put it on an island.

They're multiplying

This is getting out of hand.

[slate fable]

When it comes to the Forester Upgrades, what buildings can be triangle roof? Is it just thew tappers shack?

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[radiant heart]

any triangle roof are swappable

[radiant heart]

when in jail they don't eat or drink, on my hard mode run at one point i was getting the beavers sick willingly to save water and food during the longer badtides/droughts 😉

[slate fable]

I like this, I'm going to steal it.

Umm, weird thing. When I put anm Irrigation lodge on a dried river bed, normally flowing water. The Lodge has extra time on it, but doesn't actually provide for the rice I have. Is it supposed to work with rice, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[radiant heart]

it blocks the ground from the contamination but it woun't soak the rice in clean water...

nice way to save your rice during badtide, never tought about it, but it won't keep it growing

Like that rice around is still alive or contaminated dead?

iirc there are 2 "drying" states for the aqua crops, one when they are not in water and one if the ground under is also dry, the irrigation lodge only takes care of the ground on

[slate fable]

I see, that explains why it dies, just not as fast

takes 5 days during a drought, which is a save occasionally...

[slate fable]

Damn, pop crashed again

I need a new meta for farming

[radiant heart]

2 beavers and a dream!

[radiant heart]

got the large farm unlocked?

[slate fable]

Nah

I restarted

not got tech yet

not even got a factory

Still trying, hopelessly, to control pop and keep foor and water going.

[radiant heart]

i normally go 3 farms if land is large enough, 1 planter, 2 harvesters

at the start

water is simple, if tanks are full, build more, if they don't fill up build more tanks pumps

and keep the tanks as close as possible of the pumps, early on the walking time is your worst enemy with low well-beeing they drag theyr feets paws...

[silk knoll]

My colony is struggling from haulers being unable to handle my late-game sprawl. I couldn't get districts to work right and had to give up on them, and my colony is grinding to a halt as a result. Do I have any options? I have around 40 haulers in a 450 beaver colony.

[radiant heart]

getting to bots is one

they haul a ton

cut some jobs and make more haulers, the "work without workers" building are far more efficient if you have more haulers and no one working in

[silk knoll]

Not sure I understand that

I've built three forestry hauling upgrades as those seem to be the best

[radiant heart]

look at the productivity% of your buildings, if they are not clogged by a lack of storage, it should be at least 50% (i like 80 for the pumps)

if it's low, means you need more hauling or more direct path

walking time is a big factor easy to oversee in the game

stuff like mushroom grower and kisthcens just need to be filled up and don't need a worker in it to run, better set those to lower priorities and just tick the prioritize by haulers

[silk knoll]

Gotcha, thanks!

Last question for now: any idea what might have caused my compact library set to disappear? I watched one finish being made and then it vanished. It did not make it to the ENS being built.

[radiant heart]

it's in a storage somewhere? like do you see it in the item bar up top?

[silk knoll]

i do not

I have a fancy storage spot assigned

[radiant heart]

only thing i can see is the beaver carrying it died on the way...

[silk knoll]

RIP

lol

fucking grue

[radiant heart]

wow, that sucks, not sure if it is that actually but other then that....

that's clearly a case i'd pop cheater mode and give me one 🤣

[silk knoll]

oooh, how do I do that

because my paper situation is not great

[radiant heart]

well, time to make more paper !

[radiant heart]

That is top secret information

[silk knoll]

I made a second one. A beaver came and stuck it into a giant water tank where it appears to have been deleted.

I cri

[radiant heart]

something is messed up

[silk knoll]

think so? lol

my water barrel thirsts for knowledge

[radiant heart]

gave too much sake to the hauler?

[shell fiber]

That doesn't really make sense, do you have some other mod installed that changes beaver behaviours ? In principle they never interrupt a task, the main way I know of to delete an item being carried is to pause or disconnect the destination while the Beaver is carrying the item. I think if (another) storage is available the Beaver will bring the item there, but if not it will vanish.

[slate fable]

Alchmy is a hump of a task, one set is punishment.

[slate fable]

Setup a medium mine array, planted the explosives, blasted the terrain... Hit the bottom of the map... 1 tile too shallow... DAMN IT

[sullen cape]

Does the bot hauling post have more than 30 storage per item? The building is huge haha
Not that I can build it yet, but maybe I should focus on it

[shell fiber]

not last time i checked, it's a hardcoded value, not a variable i can set

although i heard it is easy to make a code to overwrite that one value, if someone wants to have fun with that

today's update really broke a lot of stuff, that's going to be quite a pain in the butt to fix

[radiant heart]

why not waiting on the stable version to avoid redoing a load of stuff every update? just curious

[shell fiber]

well i can't test anything in that state, every single prefab is invalid

but i can make some mass-replaces

it's just that i need to figure out how the new scripts work

[sullen cape]

Saw that, and though oh no poor Lapan 😅

Feel free to pick our brains

No refunds though for me 🤣

[shell fiber]

ahah

nah it can't be that complicated

but i need to re-export the game i guess

i'll start by fixing 1x1x2 storage i guess

[slate fable]

This is fine, right chaps?

Interesting behavior in the large famrhosue, it doesn't prioritise planting Lotus, the farms go off and harvest other crops.

[shell fiber]

is it set to plant lotus first ? do you have enough water depth ?

[slate fable]

Seems to be setup right

I assigned the lotus when there was lower water, I'll try to re assign it

Still going for the cabbage

I redid the pathing to skirt the fields and it started planting lotus.

Seems like it's bugged. Dunno though, don't know this game enough

[shell fiber]

seems correct indeed 🤔

[radiant heart]

is the large farm set to plant and priorityze lotus?

[slate fable]

It was

[radiant heart]

very strange, never had an issue like that 🤔

[slate fable]

had to divert the path well away so it coudln't see anything else

[shell fiber]

i mostly fixed the 1x1x2 storage mod but for some reason the dirt display doesn't work anymore on some buildings

works for the long pile though, which is weird

but i'll finish that tomorrow

[slate fable]

Doing gods work.

[slate fable]

It's magnificant. Only took 4 boom bust cycles.

And one reload.

[radiant heart]

and now wind stops for 3 cycles 😂

[slate fable]

Does that happen?! gulp

[radiant heart]

idk, been forever since i used wind

waterwheel + flywheels as been my go to for quite some time

[slate fable]

Don't scare me like that

I have a suggestion, an evil little thing, make Power Shafts use power, so massive arrangements of shafts are much harder.

[radiant heart]

power networks are already super punishing on the fps counter, don't need to make it even worst 😉

[slate fable]

Yes, yes we do, if you don't have a super computer your don't deserve to back in the glory! lol

[radiant heart]

ran at fpm if not fph on my 1000 island rund with the WB

[slate fable]

How on Earth do I build up to the super fetrilizing irrigation tower?

[radiant heart]

the "construction" spot is a bit wonky but lapan managed it, are you sure you are on the latest U5 version?

[slate fable]

I believe so.

I placed it next to a layer that was higher and worked it out

Damn it I ran out of water again! lol

Almost like the game is designed to make it impossible to find a balance, ha.

[slate fable]

When putting the Forestry Hauling Upgrade on the Harvesters Cottage, there is no way to access the Forestry Upgrade, or atleast there appears to be no way.

[radiant heart]

that also is an old issue, lapan fixed that

[slate fable]

I'm going to check my version, one sex

[radiant heart]

would you look up your pluggin folder plz and check the version?

[slate fable]

Er

[radiant heart]

lol

[slate fable]

3.5.6 seems to be the one I have

I'm giong to check it again, just to be sure

Yes, the manifest agrees

whistles a little tune Loading times are loooonnnnnggggg

[radiant heart]

3.5.6 is the right one

[slate fable]

Do I have to build a platform upto the green arrow, the access to the Forestry Hauling Upgrade

Ah you can add a squewer overhang to it

[radiant heart]

Yes, entrance is on the second floor

can go from the back too iirc

[slate fable]

Ah

I couldn't work out how to get a platofrom on the sign, but I did it in the end

[radiant heart]

that one is shitty a bit, the sign in front of the door prevents a normal platform

[slate fable]

Umm, that beavers can walk inside of the medium vertical Framed Flywheel makes installing them a sinch.

[radiant heart]

at one point the walls didn't count for building with the WB, was fun until badwater came up, they were playing ghost mode into the badwater instead of using the supposed path

[slate fable]

Ha

Il ike this mod, you're right, it makes power easier.

U5 doesn't have a bottom connection 😦

[radiant heart]

that was a U4 thing 😉

smart idea tho, too bad it doesn't work

[silk knoll]

Is there a use for waste rocks?

[radiant heart]

trebuchet for free science

[silk knoll]

Hmmm, I haven't seen that somehow. What tab is it under?

[radiant heart]

wellbeeing iirc

[silk knoll]

Yup

lol, would not have thought

thanks

[radiant heart]

YW

[shell fiber]

deliberate 😉
they are the waterbeavers, not the windbeavers 😅

[snow scroll]

My first hauling tower was an extra 12 beaver affair. I had copyist and artist a hadicrafter and

more . the buil,t in platforms were where I thought I had to go

now I use a 1 or 2 long suspension bridge to two spiral stairs

[sullen cape]

You Heritics! 🤣 😂

[radiant heart]

anyone tried to put windmills on top of the hauler or builder tower?

[shell fiber]

the round ones ? i don't think you can put anything on top, but they allow side platforms in some places, so i guess you could add a squewer platform and place a windmill on the side

[radiant heart]

one more thing on the list when WB comes back, might bet into it sooner tho, had dome dumb ideas for my hard lemon run and probably gonna give it a couple more hours

[snow scroll]

out of curiosity... What new no science ideas do ya have?

And does the new moniker indicate you are back on WBO? or still doin ONI?

[shell fiber]

i fixed the 1x1x2 storage mod... mostly.
if anyone wants to run crash-tests 😅

'ill upload to mod.io when i am sur it's working

[radiant heart]

some tetrissing and optimizing mainly, and wanna push to see if i can get some rice production, even if it is minimal, that is the biggest thing i could do to improve the wellbeeing of my beavears

like reservoir so huge that even at 30 days of badtide contamination level would aloud at least 1 harvest

[snow scroll]

tetris it ios! trying to maintain water w/o dams or transfedr pumps n dump[s

[radiant heart]

got a safe set up no mather how long the drought/badtide is but wanna find a way to do rice

it's the last challenge i have to do on that one but... it's complicated

[snow scroll]

even more suffering

i cant tell ya how many times Ive spent an hour designing a dam only to rip it all out

[radiant heart]

did something similar when U4 ended, Helix mountain hard mode with the WB

but that time around challenge was getting to the ENS

[radiant heart]

i count in days, way easier!

[snow scroll]

welp, for me WBO is hard mode and the challenge is always getting to the ENS🙃

[radiant heart]

to be fair i got over 2k hours playing WB 😉

Haven't played vanilla since U4

[shell fiber]

hence the new name 😉

[radiant heart]

new name?

👀

[snow scroll]

heh right behind ya on hours. Im just va Perpetual Newb😇

[woeful sun]

My Timbertrees mod has a quick way to answer that (online page for Waterbeavers).

(available in other languages, just check for files in the same directory)

[shell fiber]

okay let's try buiding the mod

i (only) fixed yesterday's update

[slim otter]

I'm just now learning that this exists and I'm excited for this

[shell fiber]

enough head-bashing for me today, GN !

[snow scroll]

The part about head-bashing that I appreciate, it feels so good when ya stop.

[snow scroll]

Am I remembering correctly... the actual door voxel on pass through lodge is in the middle?

im flooding with door, infinity upward, dry.

[radiant heart]

yeah, think lapan said it's in the mmiddle in theory

[snow scroll]

appears so🙃

[snow scroll]

Enjoy your ride!

[snow scroll]

Ive prolly built 40 of these but the full to capacity one today gave me a JC-esque laugh out loud

[snow scroll]

I have no clue as to how people in othwer channels, get a dam up in the first cycle.

[heavy lodge]

They don't play WB 😛

[radiant heart]

there is a guy that did a 1 cycle dam challenge with the WB, it's doable

[snow scroll]

heh, Ya saw that one

psshaaww, thats no dam🙃

[radiant heart]

well for a 1cycle dam it counts! sure it's not a huge reservoir dam but still, it can get you across a couple cyles early on

[snow scroll]

Oh Im duly impressed. I usually suffer through a badtide first. my fault for "doin too much!"

It was a great reminder to check out the versatility of the buildings. its easy to get stuck in the place woodd burner put in small cauldren check priority by hauler and lower general priority bthen forget

I think the secopnd playthrough and im scratching my head, "wheres all the logs?"

and "charcoal!?"

"Ithey havent put the logs in the mine yet..."

[dire ember]

what is this mod called? or where can i download it since i cant find it in timberborn experimental

[heavy lodge]

Is available only in U5, until Lapan manage to fix the mod.

[shell fiber]

@clever flax made me some pink lights for the windows, what do you think ?

[radiant heart]

nice, not to bright it fits nicely!

[heavy lodge]

Why I'm not surprised that even the window in this faction are pink ❓ 🤣

[shell fiber]

am i the only one who thinks this gotta be a brothel ? 😅

[heavy lodge]

Or, make a Moulin Rouge building 🤣

[snow scroll]

what kind of well being buff is the brothel? And does it have anything to do with the earth rtepopulator

oh, the pinkl is in line with the pastyel color scheme

[shell fiber]

there's no brothel building in this faction, but i had discussed some ideas for battery smooth's custom faction 😅

[radiant heart]

don't they repopulate fast enough? they really need that...

[vast anchor]

I don't think the goal of a brothel is repopulating...

[radiant heart]

true but.. you know...

[snow scroll]

True, True. Just trying to see if the piesces fit together

[shell fiber]

well i don't know if @kind spire will use the idea, of if it's better kept secret for now 😉

i managed to get a successfull lauch ! 😃
with only 3 buildings loaded...🤐

[heavy lodge]

tiny WB mod ?

[shell fiber]

i have a few new crashes, trying to figure out where they come from

[kind spire]

Ah yes, keeping it secret for when I finish the faction…. Whenever that is

[snow scroll]

Take the Win! Thats Huge!

is this an Amp Ears faction I hear rumor of?

[abstract vector]

You're awesome lapan, I don't suppose I can request a sluce house? Or maybe a pass through house sluce upgrade?

[halcyon trellis]

I think that's @kind spire area of expertise

[kind spire]

[radiant heart]

there used to be something similar to that, the "drainhouse" very curious what will be the "sluicing" option on U6

[halcyon trellis]

Adult beavers: 56, Beavers of the night: 7, Illegitimate Beaver children: 408. Episodes of Beaver Maury: too many

[spring heath]

Pardon what may be a silly question, but how do you make a dam out of levee-buildings any higher than 1 or 2 blocks? My lowest buildings just flood whether they're topped by a dam or not, I believe from the nonwatertight sections of dam leaking water on to the roof. Are there buildings whose roofs are watertight? Or do I just trust that the flow of water (I'm on Lemon Canyon) will always outcompete a 2-wide gap and still fill up behind the dam?

[sullen cape]

Have the doors facing away from the dam where the water is stored, watertight buildings flood if they go over the top of the door instead of vanilla where they flood as soon as it reaches the door

[spring heath]

ahhh, thank you! I now remember reading this response almost verbatim previously in the thread lol, at least regarding wet door = flood

[sullen cape]

Glad I could help ☺️

[shell fiber]

highly likely, but i don't know if that will be necessary since water can now harmlessly flow over watertight buildings

[shell fiber]

In U5 to make a dam you can uses houses, but you still have to make some sort of derivation so that water can flow around / away without going over the buildings. or you can arrange your thing so you have a few colums of voxels with no doors but that is tricky, especially if you use the pass-through lodge (the "true" door is in the centerof the building)

[abstract vector]

Yes but I love being able to regulate a downstream water level with a sluce on an upstream reservoir with a sluce

[shell fiber]

Ah yeah right, it can be set to open / close to keep the output at a certain level right ?

[sullen cape]

Yes, you should try out a vanilla game Lapan, once you get the hang of them they are super useful, and they allow you to build full automatic reservoir that are as tall as you want them to be

[shell fiber]

It's been a very long time since I played vanilla timberborn 😅
I think I barely played half an iron teeth game since they gave them their own food stuff 🤔

But too be honest as soon as I reach food and water security I just don't really know what to do anymore 😓
Like yeah I can get fermented mushrooms or whatever, but that's a lot of trouble just to get a wb value higher

[arctic olive]

Add polution 🙂

[shell fiber]

ah, i had forgot to fix the smoke on the industrial kitchen, now we can get some progress done

[sullen cape]

I found out how to place the hauling upgrade tower (under village jobs), but it feels counter-intuitive... You have to place a basic lodge next to a forester rather than a triangle building next to a forester, or at least that's what I had to do

[spring heath]

I got a few on triangle+forester/irrigation lodge, just needed some platforms and stairs to access

[sullen cape]

Oh that's good, I couldn't place the building though

[sullen cape]

Oh and now I've finished JC's video that's how you build it, which seems easy when you know how 🤔 🤔

[shell fiber]

what ? you shouldn't be able to do that, i clearly missed something

i mean, you'll still have to deal with visual artifacts if you do that

[sullen cape]

Oh whoops nah I was curious

...so if the modded Boab trees produce water, well who needs water pumps? 😂

[shell fiber]

okay, i think i got the mod back in working order as pre-update

[snow scroll]

U6 will encourage Water Beavers to rush the facory for metal blocks. this increased priority on the facory, to me, causes all kine issues.

And one still needs to work out badtides till then

unless LaPan makes sluce scrap metal

as an aside... the alchemist is so much in demand, Im surprised treated planks arent a requirement in more than the frog statue

[snow scroll]

it takes a buncha 5x5 area Baopbab to hydrate a few beavers

emergencies, like the low output of water in the medium mine

[radiant heart]

aprod is not super big, anyway with aquifer... don't need pumps

[shell fiber]

Why ?
Right now the tech progression is unchanged

[snow scroll]

Sluice require metal. thats all

[shell fiber]

I think treated planks is a resource that makes no sense, most of my buildings use pine resin and wood separately with is basically the same. I would remove it entirely but that may cause issues

[shell fiber]

Eh, I can make it out of paper and cabbages if I want to 😅

[snow scroll]

I see it, I just thought the inclination was toward "even more suffering" heh

LaPan, Im doing another test run on an Editrf Lemon Canyon, If Im happy with it do you wanna check it out fiest to make sure I didnt negate any "intentions" of the original? I cited original as yours and included intended for WBO

I know yer aboyut redady to launch U6 but...

[shell fiber]

I'll take a look 👍

[snow scroll]

cool Just started test run. Ill letcha know

testing maps is A Lot. restarting to see if minor changes have end results

[shell fiber]

new pink !

[snow scroll]

hrmm

umm

maybe too much!?

Whitepaws heh

[shell fiber]

And the windows glow slightly pink at night 😉

[snow scroll]

I really Like the windows

[woeful sun]

I imanagined that in the voice of Picture Perfect "ohh, I like that, that's really niice"

[snow scroll]

I dontknow Picture Perfect... Effeminate? sarcastic? excited?

[woeful sun]

She's Skye Storme's significant other, and is often heard in the background of his videos.

so I guess cutesy is a closer description,

[snow scroll]

oh oh thank you. excited! sweet! Genuine!

Nice!

[woeful sun]

yes, genuine honest excitement

[radiant heart]

clay and nasty stew 😂

[radiant heart]

that's a bit rough, just a tad less light reflexion maybe? like a bit more in the "pastel" 🤔

[halcyon trellis]

Little pink houses for you and beav

[snow scroll]

well, how hard is it to make an optional WHITEpaw add-on mod/patch😇

[shell fiber]

with the latest update it is very easy to change textures

and potential new plastered wood above (doesn't have normal / metallic maps yet)

[snow scroll]

That birch look is pretty cool

[radiant heart]

it's called "everblossom" 😝

[snow scroll]

well played!🙃 I like the cleverness of tie ins. especially when I get it heh

[gleaming tree]

I am gonna reinstall WB tonight because u6 update broke my save and idk how to get the mods to work again

[snow scroll]

@radiant heart

this is how I now bramble. I think long ago you were looking for a nother way than checkerboard for large fields

[radiant heart]

i like, much smoother to set up and more efficient then the only one stripe tech!

[snow scroll]

depending on efficiency of the beavs I sometimes switch up non cut row

[radiant heart]

most of the times if i have enough useless eaters i'll rarvange the field, leave 1~3 alive depending on the side and pause the harvest at the speed they grow back it's easy to rince and repeat

[snow scroll]

true. the can fill half a map by the time you check ona build project

[shell fiber]

you mean your normal U6 save broke ? or of this mod ?

[gleaming tree]

Yes

U6

[woeful sun]

I don't remember but do the Balloon Trader Landing Pads support 2 balloons? There's a slider on the building for something, but I don't remember what.

[sullen cape]

Nah it's only one. The slider is used to supply the balloon pad with HP so the balloon doesn't fly when the base building is paused etc

[snow scroll]

@shell fiber I put up Lemon Canyopn - A newb edit on mod.io just now. Lemme know ifn ya want me pull it and definately suggestions to keep it in line with your intentions. Changelog, primarily for you, in the map notes

[shell fiber]

can you put a few screenshots of what you changed ? i had to remove more plants from my forject for now

[snow scroll]

sure. lemme load up a fresh one

ouch, fine print.

made a shelf in startting valley

with a hidden alternate egress

grouped resources slightly. denuded the top shelf in this area. added 3 totsl Baobab.

narrowed and altered bottom of map

lowerd bridge pillars. altered far side of river with ideas toward rice baths/lidos

didnt mess much with badwater source. if you place anything in the near side it floods everythingbehid it. lowered some of the top layer throughout map

i did raise ruined mines one layer. i sculpted mopre of the top source and raised it.25. I had to re add brables at one point up here

this one 🙃

so, when building canyon spaning dams, it floods everything before it. often spoiling the arable land needed to support the beavers in this new "House is a Dam"

following up the canyon to the source

also made it so with cannons can irrigate other side of barriers

I tried not to interfere with the stand out features and highlight playability(easy enough for me)

starting area shelf

and even though I cant figure out how/ why it floods everything in front of it when you place this here, I didnt change it🙃

whew, Im dizzy after that quick fly through

hmmm, maybe the flythrough didnt have anything to do with it...

Iono, Heavy modifications, but still Lemon Canyon

[woeful sun]

There's 21cms of badwater over the waterfall right?

4 bad water (3cms) in one crater, 2 each (3cms) in their own spring, and the 4 water sources (0.75cms),

so at 2.2cms, it needs 9.55 edges to fall

[snow scroll]

awesome!

impressive. yer numbers are same as mine and I just went through em all inprepping lemonewb

[woeful sun]

I'm looking at the "original" v108 map

[snow scroll]

ah yes!

I did up the two sisolo single sources by .25

[woeful sun]

so 3.25 each?

[snow scroll]

no, no

to .75 each

[woeful sun]

oh, the small good water sources? one at the top, and the other round on the other side?

[snow scroll]

the one above the negative and the other plateau

[woeful sun]

yea

[snow scroll]

heh Playability = easy enough for me

[woeful sun]

does that bump help a lot?

I assume it would make the water come back quicker after a drought?

[snow scroll]

when you have 6 deep water pumps sucking out of it.

[woeful sun]

because the 6cms from the triplet should be enough

yea, if you have pumps at the top sure,

(I haven't played it, just watching JC's playthrough)

[snow scroll]

ouch. he is playing with 9 high bypass cliffs

Its hard, Like the mod. Yet it is built to showcase/getcha to use the overhaul features

Magic Slippa... You mad? Am I missin the point?

[woeful sun]

huh?

[snow scroll]

Lapan

is magic Slippa

[shell fiber]

ahah, no it's pretty good i think, i see how it is a lot nicer to the player

(sorry i was busy most of the day)

[shell fiber]

be careful with trying to irrigate everything, because that also may cause everything to get poisonned when a badtide hits 🙂 basically if you have place that are not irrigated, you also necessarily have places that are safe from contamination, since it doesn't creep as far

[shell fiber]

i like this terrace like area, it would be nice for building dams

[shell fiber]

this is a lot cleaner than my rubble-y mess 😅

i think i'll try playing on it and also on my last version, to see which one is more pleasant to play on

but i'm still concerned about the flooding issue JC had all the time, that was definitely not intended, does that happen on your testing

[snow scroll]

The river constraints ARE tight

one levee in often still causes flooding.

It is counter intuitive but I found that not messing with the river banks is better as current formation gets the water through. (I had more flooding widening river)

I do now, though block in Lemon CVanyon after bad Tide management and let the negative water tile do its thing

[snow scroll]

the cannons have the filter selcector option...Truthfully, I havent made it that far opften, was just confused as to what all that beyond the three feeder pools was for.

cool! Glad yer not offended. I play so much, I hope its a way that gets even more persons into the mod. of course eryting changes/changed again heh

[shell fiber]

The three pools at the top of the source area ? They have no particular purpose it's just how it is, I figured it while be nice to meet them be usable as planting area for lotus maybe. I didn't think it through 😅

I don't think I'm very good at making maps 🤐

[snow scroll]

the feeder pools are flexible. it just seemed like a buncha map left unused even further beyond them. extreme late game fiddly stuff

[shell fiber]

If you have other ideas to improve the map feel free to say 😅

[snow scroll]

awesome. I think I may have wedged in most of em already🙃

[snow scroll]

so true! too many irrigation towers doesnt help if not enough water to feed em

[snow scroll]

again it seems counter intuitive, but this is my standard. two wide at the entrance to the canyon.i drop a sawmill on top and good to go. eventually I do remove the two voxel near bottom, but thats to add more wheels

flooding does still happen upstream. it takes a bit each new flow for the water to fit "into its groove". heh

[snow scroll]

also. dams seem to cause flooding heh

the ultimate Gotcha! heh finally gather and create the parts and taadaa

the fewer dams from the lemon grove to bottom the better. usually to cordone off pump areas and retaining pond.

[snow scroll]

I never really answered. The river is very narrow all along. I kinda thought that was something you wanted us to work with. The water does "find its groove" each time but it does flood. It would be no problem to widen a sparse few single voxels on the river bank to help try alleviate this..

[snow scroll]

And now Lemon Canyon 209 is now live version

still reads as the original 208 and Ii cant figure how to edit that

[shell fiber]

If you forgot to change the version number the only thing you can do is re-upload it

[snow scroll]

I think I put version info in the name

[shell fiber]

No it's not intended, basically despite popular belief (😅) I don't want things to be just annoying, I want them to be challenging. I deliberately make buildings slightly inconvenient because that forces players to think and adapt.

But that flooding is just uncontrollable and incomprehensible, so that's not fun.

I read in the comments under JC's video that some people solved it by making a straight cut through the starting area, which seems believable.

When (if ?) I update the map with U6 features I think I'll try something like that, possibly with natural arches above to give both land and a water way

[snow scroll]

Nice! I like yor style!. It was easy enough to adjust. river seems a little bit wide in two places. meh

but Im playing the Now with less flooding, version now

[snow scroll]

straight cut is the easy fix. it is most pronounced on JCs map. Since 1.08 I have been "pinching" the river after the lemon valley.. it was doing this and widening cause it looked scary, that it flooded again. for some reason, in U5 your terrain hooks seemed to keep scrunching it back into its groove. prolly the 'Storme' method🙃

[snow scroll]

I take it all back. ver 2.09 still overflows day one of the cycle, with thw returning water

[sullen cape]

I'm pretty sure the surging is this problem, you need less dam pieces rather than more: #🌱beginner-questions message

[sullen cape]

Ripping in-game assets out no longer causes issues with mod creation. This was caused by duplicating the assets that were already included in the modding tools.
IIRC this is good

[sullen cape]

My beaver grew a third head lol 🤣 (not really)

[snow scroll]

Not sure but I'd guess its from all the Badwater in the river

[shell fiber]

to be honest i'm not sure i understand the problem that is supposed to solve 🤔

but i managed to get some progress done today

courtesy of my job being very un-busy these days

[snow scroll]

Sweet!

[shell fiber]

(we had pretty bad bacterial contamination in the lab, lost a lot of cells so no work to be done)

[snow scroll]

is that what the library set looks like before it becomes compact?

[shell fiber]

so i installed chrome remote desktop

ahah, no it's just a scaling issue 😅

[snow scroll]

nicely done!

heh

is remote desktop seamless? seemed janky when i tried a few years ago'

[shell fiber]

it seems pretty good for my current purpose

that is : it works

i'm trying to find somethign smart to say about it, but honestly it's fine.

if you factor in the incredible ease of use, it's pretty good

of course you're not going to remote-play some intense FPS game, but for anythign that doesn't require a lot of reactiveness i think it's okay

[snow scroll]

then it has improved

[shell fiber]

yeah i looked up online for a remote desktop app, and people said it was kind of janky

but for running unity from work when i have nothing to do it's fine, i just click a few buttons then spend 10 min loading

[snow scroll]

heh, home or remote.

you believe loads will drastically shorten with all the work yer puttin?

[shell fiber]

oh well the mod as a whole will be a lot lighter in terms of size

the performances... i don't know

probably slighly better since meshy is made to optimize rendering times

right now i have the brambles and pink trees working

the giant bamboo crashes for unknown reasons

[snow scroll]

do the pumpkin or Giant swequoia crash it? i know nuttin of what yer werkin with but for some reason I was thinkin it has to do w the offset placement

[shell fiber]

at last

still no idea what was the issue with the giant bamboo

i just recreated from a fresh template

[snow scroll]

same reason why I restart so often. It'll be diffedrent when I do it again. heh

SOOO Pink!!

[silver phoenix]

bamboo grows 1m a day

perfectly normal

[shell fiber]

actually the pink tree's color is kind of wrong

i poked at the vertex paint but there's some stuff to undo

not a priority right now thought

[hybrid mauve]

Hello everyone, it may be silly question - how many hydroponic farms can be stacked ? Why asking: after I load game - half of "food tower" disappeared, and power shafts/ladders still in place O.o

[radiant heart]

up to the limit of the height of the game

did they build it prior to having the platform under?

[hybrid mauve]

somethin like this, so I don't think it's game height limit

ah, yes, platforms disappeared too

topmost ladder was for last floor 😄

[radiant heart]

strange, never had that issue, only thing i can see is if they built the farm without the platform beeing finished, that could result in the farm vanishing, kind alike the bridges that you can build in the air but when you reload it will go bye bye if the "anchor" point was not built

[hybrid mauve]

nope, all platforms was in place.But I'm not sure about build order, maybe they build farms before finishing platforms

[radiant heart]

it's really the only thing i can see, normally I have enough stuff to build the platforms before the farms so never ran into that

[hybrid mauve]

as I can remember - it built one by one: one platform -> one farm, wait, do some other stuff, build next

[radiant heart]

kk, i guess at that point only thing to do is rebuild slowly and double check the save/reload when one gets built

lapan is working on making it to U6 so the U5 version will most probably never evolve further then what is actually available.

[shell fiber]

In principle they can't build those out of order

[shell fiber]

That is really weird, first time I hear about something like that

[snow scroll]

I had a mega platform towerdisappear ona reload when I deleted the petanque court upon which it was built. half one is new though

[radiant heart]

that's what i thought but other then that, had no best guess

[shell fiber]

I'm not sure that is still the case but I think the mega platforms are crushable for some reason. So a possibility is that a platform was crushed without it being visually obvious, which means the entire stack above it became invalid.

[shell fiber]

Yes they actually sit on the building under them so that is normal

I could try to make the system better though

[snow scroll]

Ya. it was a test to see if I could put whatever i wanted ona mega.

so

[snow scroll]

perchance after built, did you swap out a layer for a building not supported?

[shell fiber]

Honestly with the new voxel segments they have added, I probably can just make the platforms occupy the segment dedicated to the flooring and make them infinitely stackable 🤔

That would make the whole thing a LOT cleaner

I could also make some weird things more normal

[snow scroll]

Normal? Have you met us?

[shell fiber]

Like the pétanque court, that really has no purpose being 5x5 except for the mega platforms

[snow scroll]

It is big, yet i like the paths

[storm gulch]

Can you explain this

Tomorrow's video has a weird error with the ladder outside of my clockwork farm stack and I'm trying to figure out why, thinking maybe this could have something to do with it

[radiant heart]

something like the greenhouse or the supre duper irrigation tower can be crushed if let's say a random tree spreads under it and would colide with the volume of the building

[storm gulch]

Hm

[radiant heart]

got a time stamp? was about to start it 😉

[snow scroll]

Does he recognize the name change? or are you another random weirdo.

rhetorical

[radiant heart]

lol, I think he knows

on his server name isn't change and image is the same

[storm gulch]

I always know

Anyway it's basically at the end

[radiant heart]

kk, will see then, only 15 mins in

BTW, blossom CW farm is very usefull, but it's a bit shitty to fit in because it's 1 higher

[hybrid mauve]

Finally found the root cause: at some point I decided to put all sunflowers into single tower, but I built one greenpeas farm in the middle of the tower. So, I deleted it and replaced with sunflowers. Tested such destroy in dev mode - and yes, you can build tall food tower, delete one farm in the middle, replace it with another ( may be same type, it doesn't matter) - and after load everything above destroyed/replaced farm will disappear ( including platforms )

[shell fiber]

In addition to what redneck said, you can accidentally destroy the perform it if you try to place something else inside of the CWF
In practice it's quite unlikely but maybe, just be careful around those

[radiant heart]

the bars of the ladder block the path to the bridge, would need to rotate the one where the bridge is

at some point ladders were a 4 way at the bottom but not anymore

[shell fiber]

glory to the new cabbage

[radiant heart]

num num num

[shell fiber]

not perfectly satisfied with the colors but that will do for now

[radiant heart]

the "dead" one looks like some purple cabbages, kinda like it

[shell fiber]

hmm... i was going for a more "rotten" aspect but that is kind of true

[silver phoenix]

make them brown instead of purple

[radiant heart]

Can the cabbages actually be the red cabbages? would give a bit more color to the early game 🤔

[shell fiber]

I don't really like red cabbage 😅 They're kind of bitter no ?

But I can have two sorts of cabbage 🤔

[gleaming tree]

red is bitter? sounds like an early game cabbage, compared to the suculant taste of regular cabbage

[snow scroll]

I find red ones sweeter. I dont cook em though.

I know you put abuncha time into it, so...

the pit and ladder liquid storage isnt transversable without placing paths

[snow scroll]

Lapan, could you make a building, needed be built in water, looked like a river raft. maybe a multi layer/upgradeable . one lAyer an expedition cart. maybe as a wonder and setting up a gameplay loop to map next.

iono(<means I dont know), a brain fart

[woeful sun]

(I don't know about others, but I find typos extremely hard to read. Discord allows you to edit your messages, so there's really no reason to have typos.)

[radiant heart]

not 100% sure on that. irl i tend to get the red ones over the green ones, kids like it it makes more colorfull plates

[radiant heart]

Lazyness my friend, lazyness.... also some of us english ain't our first language some sometimes it might even be the intended typing

[radiant heart]

can't that create some confusion like the 2 kind of grapes tho?

Also food chain beeing already quite big i feel like it would make quite a mess to add something else.

[shell fiber]

Not necessarily... Or maybe I would need to test

[radiant heart]

my point is quite simle tho, red ones look cool, if you like it could be the new cabbages skin that's it.

Not intending a whole rework of the food chain. At that point just give me corn so i can make popcorn for my beavers, you know another thing that could use salt and sunflower oil 😅

[snow scroll]

How dare you... Oh, wait. I am those things! My native language is lazy. I live in the Pacific islands and I speak and type a poor version of Pidgin. And I dont type well nor do I proofread. (lazy case in point)

the best apology is changed behavior. I will try harder🙃

[radiant heart]

i'd say 50% of the times if i see i did a woopsie i'll correct it but yeah... either lazyness or i simply don't reread what I typped in

[snow scroll]

I cited and linked this to the Lemon Canyon edit on the Mod.Io posting. Thanks for doin the math!

And my second language, after lazy, is passive aggressive... So, I understood right away, and thank you for alerting me to mind my channel manners

[woeful sun]

😄

https://timberborn.fandom.com/wiki/Water/Flowing is a good reference for the water edge limit too

[snow scroll]

Im liking the options the edit offers. It does still flood at the start of each season for about 2hrs game time. Im not sure if it is down stream or just navigating the Lemon gorge junction area

[snow scroll]

Aftere further review... It seems it was the way i set up my bypass. the terrain I took out to resolve were from bypass outflow not main river course.

[minor atlas]

Would anyone be able to help me work out where to put the correct downloaded files into the correct folders so I can
Play whitetails.
I can't dwl via mod menu so dwl via mod.io but the folder doesn't exist where it says to put it and putting it into said folder didnt show anything. I must have some of it right as the gigato storage are showing up on my normal bevers.
Or is it a case of I need to have completed both factions to unlock the third?

[shell fiber]

No to unlock the whitepaws you just need to reach a wellbeing of 1 with the folktails, but if you don't see the faction in the new game screen it means you have a dependency missing,

Just to confirm you are using timberborn update 5 right ? (Not U6)

[minor atlas]

Yeah I went back and forth between exp and not and still nothing I checked all the things mod.io says I need to have and I have them. But I'll go back and double check.
I though I might have it in wrong location which is why It wasn't showing up. Thanks

[abstract vector]

With U5 mods should be inside the BepinEX/Plugins folder

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Map version 3.0 heh Not sure how noticeable it is, I widened the river and made the starting area loop less severe. Also the bottom of the map is now wider than the 9.55 faces required just for the upper liquids to leave the map. Oops.

Ima re- upload as

Lemon Canyon - A Water Beaver Showcase Map

on Mod.io

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See for me it's not there. Which is why I'm lost

All my other mods are timberborn/mods

[abstract vector]

timberborn/mods is U6 only and you should have no mods there for whitepaws

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bepinex is the required shell to run WBO in U5

[minor atlas]

So where are all the mods supposed to go then once downloaded?

[shell fiber]

If I remember correctly in the folder where the game is located you should have a plugin folder generated by bepinex, in which you place all the mod

[minor atlas]

Yeah I don't have that.

I followed the trail on the pages common/timberbron/bepinex/plugin and it doesn't exist and that's not where any of my mods are either so is that saying I don't have that bepinex installed correctly?

[abstract vector]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/r/how-to-install-mods
Skip down to the pre update 6 part and follow the directions

[minor atlas]

Thankyou I'll look into that

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https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/lemon-canyon-a-newb-edit-v-208-u5-192x192

[shell fiber]

If you're sometimes juggling between U5 and U6 what I think might have happened is that when you switched up U6 steam removed your bepinex install, so you probably have to reinstall it

[minor atlas]

Only time I see anything is when it's in u6 so yeah I'm going back through and installing them again to see what I can do to fix this as I really want to play the mod. Thanks for all your help and suggestions 😊

[shell fiber]

Unfortunately I don't know when I will have the mod fixed for U6 but hopefully soon

Or at least partially fixed

[minor atlas]

So I got bepinex to work but I'm getting an error with the haulers saying can't resolve a token in timberapi.

So getting closer

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versions are important now with multiple updates live. I keep seperate plugin folders and rename them when not the active "plugins"

[minor atlas]

Its all over my head but I got it to load, just had to manually swap out the mods from the dwl 9nes to the mod.io ones and it's allowing me to start so fingers crossed. I'm little excited 😊
Lapantouflemagic thanks for all your help 🙏

[shell fiber]

You're welcome 👍

[shell fiber]

oh, nice, i just ran a test, and it is now possible to have a crop that has a harvestable yield 😄

which might be a bit clunky, but also might allow me to get rid of the plucked brambles entirely

so the nenuphars could be harvestable after X days, and if you leave them longer that this, they will start to bloom, which will be harvested by a gatherer.

but for good measure i'll probably throw in a variant that only makes flowers i guess

not that it would be unworkable otherwise bu still

[halcyon trellis]

Nenuphars, JC's nemesis, as well as sunflower oil, planks, nitroglycerin... Well most everything

[silver phoenix]

those lotus plants look very good

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Removing brambles changes the whole thing... Maybe I dont understand

[radiant heart]

isn't that already gona or i'm missing something?

[snow scroll]

harvested vs cut by lumberjack?

[radiant heart]

i guess kinda like the giant sequoias that you can harvest or cut

[snow scroll]

hmm, it used to. Birch turn to wild bramble, brambles turn to domesticated brambles. currently gatherers dont bramble. they used to.

[radiant heart]

i get the change on the bramble tho, for someone that didn't play that mod for 1K+ hours it was a bit confusing

[shell fiber]

Oh my bad, I meant getting rid of the plucked lotus entirely