Water Beaver Overhaul

[snow scroll]

@shell fiberThanks for sharing your thought process.I/We enjoy assisting (playtesting) you(r) develop your mod

[radiant heart]

be sure you make everypossible type of food/drink first ho or while it fills up gonna wreck your reserves and output nothing if you are missing one

[snow scroll]

heh most big builds, with out prep can qhickly turn the 'systems' inside out

[snow scroll]

Im prepping to build ENS in what feels a stable colony. supporting staff of 530

@shell fiberQOL suggestion. Copyist only holds five fancy at a time..

[snow scroll]

or ten even. I always seem to end up with an exorbitant amount of giant buried tank blueprints

[radiant heart]

those are part of what i put a scroll rack in my librairy and let it run untill I have too many

you need more then 10 tho

need minimum21 for a tanks of each liquids

[snow scroll]

of a few things.

I saw the outline of one of your cheater runs. a giant for each tho? a few for water one for kimchi and one for oil... maybe Im not thinkin big enough

[radiant heart]

i did one cheater town on a flat map to try and see what the "end game" balance would look like. and yes, had 1 for each in the beaver district and one for the "needed stuff" or production in the bot district

Didn't even have a water source on the map... pure cheater run

(water was 3 i think in the main district)

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah you're right, it already does

guess it's fine as is then

but should it have more reciepes, or should i make an other "ultimate kitchen" or somethign

oh right, there's the buffet and bar thing that i have yet to ''fix''

[radiant heart]

what's broken?

[radiant heart]

another tier of better kitchen that does all the receipies could be nice but not a must.

I think the only thing i'd really change in all the food stuff is grilled nuts in the coocking tent (cereals bar don't make sense in a "work witout worker thing") not like a stew that you let there for a while and pick it up when ready

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah right

Regarding the cereal bars requiring a worker

But you could also imagine just having the whole mix simmer and wait for a while, then a hauler just shapes it sloppily and you're good to do

[radiant heart]

alright, you lay it down, let the resin stick all that together and take it out, so the tent one needs one mmore resin in the receipe?

[heavy lodge]

Sure dump is not connected since Lido is not finished , YET 😮

So, I deleted the Lido, and 🤣 🥳

[radiant heart]

think it goes bye bye when you reload the save tho

[heavy lodge]

Maybe, will test now 🐸

[heavy lodge]

Nope, it survive reloading the game 🤣

[shell fiber]

but now that you have the lido-sized hole, what good does it make to not have the lido ? 😅

[heavy lodge]

Why a lido when I can have 2 river baths ?

[radiant heart]

@Lapan not sure if i did something wrong but the tower segments are not beeing built from under 🤔 (yes i'm on the last version)

[heavy lodge]

Need to have something where builders can stay to build. In the worst case, build 2 towers side by side ...

[radiant heart]

i know but maybe 2 versions ago he said he found a fix for that

not a big issue atm since i'm building from the top anyway but wanted to try it and got the good old "out of reach" from the 3rd layer

[sullen cape]

Actually ladder segments weren't being built from underneath, I had to attach 1 length bridges every second ladder segment?

[snow scroll]

WhooHoo. I have Onigiri for days!

Shit, I dont have any fermented sake

heh

[radiant heart]

you know, that dumb thing that was supposed to die in 10 cycles max... well, it's still going on🤣 (cycle 31)

[snow scroll]

looks like abuncha full tanks too

[shell fiber]

did you update or delete / reinstall ? it seems to be working fine for me

oh you should probably build plenty of pit and ladder builder segment because i remembered they should actually cost tools

which could be seen as a way to prevent people from playing forever with only the broken kart

[sullen cape]

Is that a challenge? 😂

[heavy lodge]

Sure will not get the nuclear age 🤣

[shell fiber]

i think we can remove the science lock on the pit and ladder water storage segment, i don't see myself nor anyone actually use it anyway

that should help get some early vertical movement

Hooooly crap

[sullen cape]

HOLY crap indeed that update

[shell fiber]

3D water physics ? I will have A LOT of things to fix

[sullen cape]

I was just getting annoyed at my vanilla playthrough because of the water physics

(Can't let water out of a dam slowly)

[shell fiber]

oh, so water wheels DID slow water flow ! i didn't actually believe it did

[sullen cape]

Jcheng said it increased water height or something?

[heavy lodge]

We have aqueduct now 👏

[sullen cape]

Guess I'd better swap to experimental, eh probably will break my save

Lapan, a pioneer in overhang technology

Well JC's got his work cut out for him

[shell fiber]

actually overhangs were made by tobbert first

[sullen cape]

...hehe oops

[shell fiber]

it seems they also took ideas from the simple floodgate trigger mod

[sullen cape]

But thanks to all the modders making the Waterbeavers possible.

[shell fiber]

yeah 🙂

[sullen cape]

Oh that's good for me, I've been cursing not having that mod in my vanilla run

[shell fiber]

(actually i'm still first on the mushroom idea)

[sullen cape]

Wonder if the waterbeavers will make good use of "3D" water? Or maybe it's herasay 😂

[shell fiber]

i'll try

^^

[heavy lodge]

The best is that it seems to have now a valve 😍

[shell fiber]

oh wait a second

yeah if water is 3D, now you should be able to have water flow under buildings

and with a valve that would be great for making a dam

'kay, time to push what will likely be the last update for TB version 5

[shell fiber]

no help required

new version uploaded !

[radiant heart]

why do you hate me 🤣

[radiant heart]

I always delete prior to update, only way it works

[radiant heart]

that's what i'm doing atm 😉 on hard mode because why not 😝

[radiant heart]

ho well, forgot snak bars need rice, not happening on that run 🤣

[sullen cape]

If Lapan tries to get you to destroy the cart it's only going to make it even more rewarding not too 😂

[radiant heart]

not doing another run like that

was curious how bad it would be, basicaly on normal it can be done quite easily, on hard some "cheating" is required

[shell fiber]

Well hard mode was originally 80% drought and 20% rainy season, and now that bad tides replace droughts 70% of the time I don't see what we're going for 😅

But with science it is somewhat doable right ? Probably need to get the logo before all else but after that it should be manageable

[radiant heart]

sure is with science, went up to 20~ish days drought/badtides without resorting to using buildings as not intended

and 25 before the "dying distrct" iirc

But you need to know what you are doing at that point, don't really feel like doing another run tho, probably when you have soomething up on U6 gonna give it a try

[radiant heart]

probably gonna start on normal first tho, need to see how early game goes before going full retard;)

[radiant heart]

Just tought about it, will the "wonder" be that Nuclear rocket you brought up long ago? 🤣

[shell fiber]

Probably, not entirely sure what I'll do, it depends of the available scripts

[radiant heart]

just let me know when you ahve something to try out, running my dumb ass run meanwhile 😉

[radiant heart]

nuclear blast, map resets and ... whatever !

[shell fiber]

Well at the moment I'm nowhere close from getting the mod working on U6 so don't wait for me 😅

[sullen cape]

...Yay time to build Lodges on top of platforms 😂

[snow scroll]

Ouch! worse than ya thought? Waiting on Dependencies? and or does U6 have manys parts that breaks what you have achieved?

[distant wigeon]

U8???

[heavy lodge]

Traveler from the future 🤣

[snow scroll]

*blows raspberry

[shell fiber]

Well right now the new scripts are not getting extracted correctly, and I suppose Tapi is broken.

I think the mod will remain a tapi mod for a while

The Devs have prepared a timberborn modding template but I read something like it being not very compatible with asset ripper extracted assets, like the scripts not being identified properly or whatnot.

I'll have to wait until someone figures it out

[snow scroll]

Do More Plants mapmaker and map reader Rely on Timber Api?

he asks selfishly

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Yes.
But if it is just a matter of making all/more plants placable in map editor, that can be done entirely through specifications.

But when it comes to custom ruins like the log and plank yielding broken houses they are custom prefabs so I need to inject them into the game somehow. That's pretty easy in principle but I need at least a sample of what scripts they have in the new update

[distant wigeon]

The example mod will be your friend I suspect.

[shell fiber]

I'll probably have plenty of time this weekend, but I'll likely start by the easy stuff, logstairs, storage etc.

[snow scroll]

Awesomesauce! Im trying vanilla. I prefer Water Beavers

[radiant heart]

not in a rush and not beeing pushy, don't worry i can barely imagine the amount of work it is if you have to go over all the buildings to make it work on U6

[kind spire]

If I can help out at all, let me know!

[shell fiber]

First thing I foresee with the U6 changes is that watertight glass upgrades for the large farmhouse and tree nursery will no longer function, since water is now 3d or didn't have the skirt extending on all sides to the bottom of the map, but that's not a big issue I think

[radiant heart]

the scripts like the nuclear reactor are not that bad or got comletely wrecked?

[snow scroll]

not really, for my playstyle anyway. if glass, get coffee, bananas and high tier buildings. I have been disappointed I forgot lg farm wasnt waterproof deeper, but never a rush for those upgrades

[radiant heart]

i guesss just smashing the "waterproof tile" property on those will do the trick

[shell fiber]

Probably mostly fine, the only custom script on the nuclear reactor is a variant of the "blockale water building" script that is originally for the lido (but that doesn't get blocked by bad water)
The reactor could work without but then it wouldn't care about lack of water 😅

[shell fiber]

Yeah me neither

[shell fiber]

That's not what I mean, if you were to make a glass dam, water would not display on the sides anymore

[kind spire]

That one shold be OK, If I remember how it worked, it just disabled the bad-water sensing aspect of the component, so it just looked for ANY fluid. Any changes to the base 'water sensing' shouldn't affect it so long as it still uses a 'badwater' sensing extension that can be disabled

[shell fiber]

oh on that note i wanted to make a duplicate of the "water source regulator" thing that is in the bad water dome, except instead of being able to force it open / cose, it would force it always open to ensure the nuclear reactor always destroys water.

but at the moment i'm afrait we have way too many other cats to whip 😅

[shell fiber]

okay, i managed to get the scripts extracted, time to poke at stuff

[shell fiber]

well, some stuff is still broken

[radiant heart]

Storage getting gud 🤣

[sullen cape]

Moar tanks!

[radiant heart]

up to 31k on small and pits only 😅

[shell fiber]

poor, poor processor who has to manage all this junk

😅

[radiant heart]

did a bit of path cleant up, helped a bit on the framerate but yeah, it's getting to a limit

40 fps at only 230 beavers 🫣

I like how it turned out tho

[snow scroll]

ok, @radiant heart, you inpired me. nothing ridiculous like Hard, or keep kart, but to attempt Lemon Canyon.

[radiant heart]

probably gonnna give myselft a ginormous warehouse to get give my PC a little break, got over 12k scrap in medium/large piles all over the place 😅

[radiant heart]

it's a really cool map

[snow scroll]

hitched up my Underoos, rolled a fatty for my anxiousness over the "unchecked bramble aggression" and got started

[radiant heart]

map is very generous on scrap and all, the bigggest challenge is to keep lemon and berries alive ( specially berries for science)

lemon becaus can you really call it lemon canyon if there is no lemon?

[snow scroll]

after my much delayed introduction to the entry irrigation tower, Im feelin better about it

[radiant heart]

irrigation towers are so powerfull

At that point i think i can survive Whatever hard mode does, exception might be if I get 2-3 (or more) 25Days+ badtides in a row but RNGesus didn't give me that ... yet

so i'm just cleaning the map because why not 😆

that's a lot of scrap all over the place and still not done ( some i just won't be able to get tho due to the no science thing)

[snow scroll]

but you still only have enough storage for half yer beavs for 10days...?

[radiant heart]

nope

[snow scroll]

I think my getting back to Lemon Canyon was made easier for having a Lemon Canyon save that I spent 35minutes path fencing the brambles. heh

[radiant heart]

lol

the 26 pumps near the 3 sources upstream did the trick

not even tapping the center one, it's surrounded by showers so they can get clean asap when temprate returns

[snow scroll]

hemm a third of your population?

[radiant heart]

3/4

dying district is getting less and less ppl sent there since i need more pumpers/farmers

once the "clean up" will be done it is a lot of scavengers/lumberjacks i can get rid of

[snow scroll]

this was my 1st 3.5.6 the no builder pit n ladder to boost early construction hurts

[radiant heart]

Ho yeah, lapan blocked those behind tools if i'm not mistaking ( 98% my fault)

[snow scroll]

heh, I know, thus the mention. heh. I said it. Im done already. 🤣

@shell fiber I actusally use the pit liquids storage. a large storage w/o need for tar. And on your map its a faster way to the top

[radiant heart]

did only one builder lodge but sure it helped, wonder how bad things would have been without that 🤔 and NO, i'm not redoing that 😅

[snow scroll]

heh Aww, but you made it sound so easy

JC was fun last night. Yall get rowdy

[radiant heart]

also is my 17th WB run, kinda know what i'm doing.. keyword: "kinda"

[snow scroll]

its almost a curse tho

[radiant heart]

i choose poorly my drinking game, need something a bit more tame next stream

[snow scroll]

I know whats comin/needed and pre build then get caught in a priority mess or reaching for som nething im only half able to achieve at the time

[radiant heart]

I shelved timberborn untill i found out about that mod, been playing that since, i find the 2 vanilla confusing now 🤣

[snow scroll]

same. tried folktails and that was quick excursion. IT breeding pods always messed me up. weird tho. I like the plethora of materials in WB

oops, maybe a little heavy on the 'unchecked bramble aggression' anxiety meds... I should be working. ciao

[radiant heart]

thing I like to is WB you have a lot of stuff before reaching "end game"

[snow scroll]

inorite. in my quick try i was stockpileing metal explosives and treated planks at cycle 11. WB im lucky to be able to drop a floodgate around then

oh, amd antidote. something that seemd far down the tech tree until I met the Real Beavers. heh

I was lookin all over for water to select for my tank and couldnt find it. WB 20 liquids FT 9ish

[snow scroll]

well shit. i soft locked. planted cabbage over my demolished cart and all my reds vanished

[shell fiber]

Only 230 beavers ? There's a good million houses 😅

[shell fiber]

No I had plans to do that a while ago but had forgot, I just stumbled on it again while testing

[shell fiber]

Good, that's what I was hoping for 😉

[shell fiber]

Happened to me once, you can go devmode and give yourself a new broken kart and destroy it again

[snow scroll]

cycle three. reload not rage quit material heh

[shell fiber]

just so you know there have been updates to the map itself, sinc you were saying you saved after encasing brambles in paths

[radiant heart]

some don't have acces ( let's say "yet")

trying to see if i can get a lidget working colony ( remove the death district and connect all the doors) but it takes time

Also trying to see what is reachable or not and clean up the place, ended spending 100logs just to uproot a tree in deep badwater 🤣

probably gonna allow myself a "cheater mode" ginormous pile for the scrap, just to give my PC a chance, that's so many piles all over the map and can't use it except for the "pétanque" with that many around they sure are good at it by now 🤣

[snow scroll]

is that Bocci to the uncultured?

then again, i live Maui and needed JC to tell me what an anana is😔

[radiant heart]

Yeah, yeah, "you monster"

[radiant heart]

Tbh, i don't hate it but could we get a bonus on the food side?

I know you have other cats to whip but i had 2 ideas:
1-grilled nuts in the tent
2-some sort of "farm assistant flag"

anyway, just tossing it out before i hit the bed and forget !

[shell fiber]

A farm assistant flag would make all farms obsolete, that's why the large farmhouse is there 😉

And I added cereal bars to the cooking tent, that doesn't work ?

[radiant heart]

nope, bars need rice

tried a lot but can't make it

with RNGesus on my side i might be able to make one harvest every 2~3 cycles

[radiant heart]

not a straight up flag, a "corn shaped lodge" with like 4 dwellers and 1 worker barely more efficient then having another farm just to justify the extra place in the house 😉

[shell fiber]

That part of the problem seems largely self-imposed 😅
But I'll think about it

[radiant heart]

100% self-imposed, we agree on that, tho it would be nice to have "choices" without making something "useless" 😉

no matter how stoopid that choice can be 🤣

[shell fiber]

I'll see if I can come up with something that makes sense

[radiant heart]

some sort of "nuts stew" maybe? idk, anyway, you have enough to deal with, gonna keep those ideas in a box and bother you some other time 😉

[shell fiber]

Since U6 brought the sluice I'll probably think of something that uses that

[radiant heart]

IMO sluice is the drain house on steroids

[shell fiber]

Well yeah basically

[radiant heart]

works for free

and not a house, what a shame

[shell fiber]

That's what I wanted to do but that was weird

[shell fiber]

Not until I fix that 😅

[radiant heart]

if it doesn't need power... Ho boy, get ready for some King stoopid full retard stuff

talking bout stoopid, hard lemon is cycle 48 and dying district becoming useless!

now need to either connect the houses or find a better way 😉

[distant wigeon]

Sometimes I wonder if the real torture for the Whitepaw Beavers isn't the awful stew or public humiliation jail... it's having to spend every night of the rest of your life listening to flowing water. That must be torture for any Beavers....

[heavy lodge]

Don't give @shell fiber some ideas. Maybe will add a Shanty Speaker for WB with Niagara sounds 🤣

[radiant heart]

let's bring the conversation here not in "Stairs" 😉

Don't need a U6 yet, it's still passing the U5 hard "hard mode" balance test 😉

[heavy lodge]

You like some extra pain, not enough the ones provided with mod itself 🤣

[radiant heart]

was a dumb idea, tought it would not even last 5 cycles ( 10 with some luck) and here I am, on the edge of Cycle 50

it was that or getting into Oxygen not included 🤣

and now i'm finding stuff to do because i don't need to care about the survival of my beavers

[heavy lodge]

Edit you save to have longer droughts and bad tides, then 🥳

[radiant heart]

the duration is not the main issue, tbh, 3~4 bad ones in a row could kille me, not 100% future proof yet

working on the bad sources, once my main reservoir is clean gonna be much easier to figure out how long it could try to survive

[heavy lodge]

Diverting is a challenge, terrain block is a pain to build and, houses .... no way

[radiant heart]

hard mode, didn't destroy the kart.... took some liberties on the "house rule" up to 20Days drought/BT it was ok

[snow scroll]

@shell fiberis the water source in da hole in the lemon field set to a negative number? It appears to be sucking the water off the map...

[shell fiber]

yep, exactly as intended 🙂

[snow scroll]

lol

at least it wasn't the brain stimulating mushroom's

[shell fiber]

It's alive !

[arctic olive]

Everything!?

[shell fiber]

Ahah, no, not even close

Just the logstairs mod, which is the smallest I have

[arctic olive]

And you kinda need a 3th row don't you?

[shell fiber]

Uh, yeah 😅

The path tool group is slightly too big 😅

Hopefully that gets fixed somehow by some smart people 😉😉

[arctic olive]

I hope I have the motivation and Energy for TimberApi

Since alot needs to be redone

[shell fiber]

I am also slightly worried about the mass of stuff I'll need to rewrite for the WBO mod😬

At least in my case it's not excessively complex, there's just a lot

[arctic olive]

Complexity is more fun than alot

The reason the uibuilder hasnt finished... Needing to make all the presets

[marsh sluice]

I was told to put this here if someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong I have this mod plus dependencies that is it

[shell fiber]

Need a bit more information, could you see the white beaver in the new game menu ? Can you give a screenshot of your plugins folder ?

[shell fiber]

oh, also the part of the log that is really useful is the red one, that's where it says on what it crashed.
here we can see up to the loading a bazillion assets but up to this point it seems fine

[marsh sluice]

Sorry for the delay I can see the white beavers and I can get whatever you want as soon as I get back to my pc

[gleaming tree]

was thinking of water beavers while i was sleeping, i want to pitch a bad idea. terra forming the old fashion way, shovels. like a way to remove dirt block, and get dirt for terrain blocks. like an 1-3 hours and get like 1-10 dirt and uses about 0.001- 0.01. also could make beaver dirty. i know you swamped with u6 drop and tryin to get it to work, along with life. just a quick thought id like to share.

im sorry if its a bad time to pitch an idea, im excited to see how U6 WBO turns up the difficulty, but know rush

[halcyon trellis]

Hey @shell fiber some one in JC the beards discord wanted to know if there was a list of mods that worked with WB U5. Not sure how difficult of an answer that is and don't want to overburden you since you are probably beaver deep on U6

[radiant heart]

posted a copy of my pluggin file, think i gat all the ones that work in there. if not, not missing a lot

[halcyon trellis]

Oh ok. Ty

Detective redneck on the case

[radiant heart]

WB nerd to the rescue!

[marsh sluice]

my plugins

[gleaming tree]

I think he meant from the separate black screen where you see all of the background precesses happening along with the loading of assets. What broke the game will be in red

[radiant heart]

looks good to me, got a few optionel ones in there but you can compare just in case i missed one

[marsh sluice]

Well idk why it keeps crashing then

[radiant heart]

double check you have the proper versions with the list i gave you, also maybe some one could have not downloaded properly so need to reload it

[marsh sluice]

Sorry to bother you but I don't see trading balloons on your list is it just not visible or do you not have it because if not that would be my problem

[radiant heart]

woopsies, didn't go low enough 🫣

but balloon is a depedencie of the WB so it as to be in, if you load it via modmanager it will load automaticaly at the same time

here, the missing part

[marsh sluice]

That's what I thought and I looked at the output when trying to start a game and it's complaining about having not enough memory does water beaver mod take up more then the 10.8 gbs of ram I'm currently giving it

[radiant heart]

should not

[marsh sluice]

I noticed something was wrong when loading it jumps from 700 mbs straight to 10.8 gbs so I think I'm leaking memory somewhere

[radiant heart]

can't help at that point but there are ppl much smater then me that will show up at some point and help you out 😉

[marsh sluice]

That's my whole motto when stuff breaks try to figure it out for a day or two then wait for smart people to tell me what I messed up.

[marsh sluice]

Thanks for trying and thanks for the list

[radiant heart]

booting up my game, will see how much ram it takes, will see if the 10 is not enough but i don't think it is the problem

just its a big save, gonna need a few mins

[marsh sluice]

Thank you

[radiant heart]

wel...

[marsh sluice]

Ha so I actually can't run it

[radiant heart]

wouldn't think it was that bad

that's an overdevelopped colony and a bunch of extra mods tho...

give me a sec i'll booth up a new one to try

on main menu it goes down to 8Gb

[marsh sluice]

Hmm

[radiant heart]

went up to 15.8 during the loading tho

so... idk

[marsh sluice]

Well thanks for the help I might just go back to the beta for update 6 and wait for official modding support might help stream line it a bit and cut down ram cost

[radiant heart]

iirc tho i found one time how to prioritize rss on my pc and prioritized timberberborn so might be abusing...

[marsh sluice]

Maybe I'm going to check how much Un modded timber born usually uses

[marsh sluice]

So just to let your know on mid size map and high graphics timber born will use about 5.5 gbs of ram

[radiant heart]

didn't do much runs on large maps, i prefer the less space and optimizing it

WB on a tiny one tho..... with the huge buildings that are groung only it gets a bit roung on something like diorama. did it once but the mod was way less complex

makes me think it could be fun to try it out 🤔

with that you can really push the "early game balance"

[abstract vector]

I've gotten over 20gb with 1.6k beavers on a 256x256 map

[snow scroll]

some mods not onb the list WILL crash the game. Might want a seperate plugin folder just for the Water Beavers. seems to actually simplify things long run

[radiant heart]

the enable/disable game sur is tidious, better have copies, too bad i don't have my U3 pluggin, had some dumb run i'd like to revisit

[snow scroll]

It is. i callem pluginsU5, pluginsU6, and pluginsMapMaker. shorten to just plugins and make sure I am booting the right 'beta' build at the same time

and when i update I throw the latest in desktop folder

the copy/backup as you suggest.

[topaz niche]

No clue what’s going on here. These are the only mods I have installed on a fresh install of timberborn

[snow scroll]

extra crops is that the mmap maker or map reader?

[topaz niche]

Reader

[radiant heart]

did you get both?, maker will crash the game if loading to play

[topaz niche]

No its not in my plugin folder rn

[snow scroll]

hmm the maker can place mangroves. if in non expirimental mode playin WB they just wont show on the map. I not playing WB shouldnt have their mod enabled

iono. just throwin out my basic understandings

[topaz niche]

Only thing I can think of is a vastly out of date computer

[snow scroll]

I know Lapn has been updating the plant mods... maybe dbl check versions

[radiant heart]

normaly mod manager on U5 won't give you the U6 versions, only the latest on U5

[woeful sun]

it depends on whatever the mod author has set live I think

unless you go into the mod and force the version you want to download

[snow scroll]

only thing published for U6 that also in WB, so far, is staircase

[shell fiber]

Well the good news is that with U6 I'm be allowed to tap into the game's textures rather that loading them again. So we can hope to see the mod become far lighter in terms of ram and download size

[marsh sluice]

Well that's good news

[shell fiber]

(I'll catch up reading later sorry)

[marsh sluice]

Your mod is really cool and I look forward to using it eventually

[radiant heart]

nice, that's a good news, is it more or less work tho to make it fit?

[shell fiber]

If the log stays "locked" in that state, it didn't actually crash yet, when it does a bunch of red text appears, which says what went wrong.

Depending on your computer, on the map you're loading and in how advanced your colony is, it can stay a reaaaaly long time in that state (several minutes is not unusual), but it eventually will load.

It might be worth opening task manager (ctrl-alt-del) to check how much ram is being used, but if you run out of it there is also a crash message for that.

[shell fiber]

There's a few people who had similar ideas, but as far as I can tell that would require coding, and I can't do that (I only abuse existing scripts). But dynamite is not particular hard to come by if the point is to dig, and if the point is to get dirt... Well it's deliberately locked until a certain point 😉

[shell fiber]

Whenever you have time, try to launch a new game, then leave the computer to do it's thing while you have lunch/ take a shower/whatever.

If by the time you come back (think 10-15 minutes) it's still in that state, it's not loading

But if it crashed, we'll have a message to look at

[shell fiber]

It's horribly annoying 😅

Basically I have to get everything into blender (I must of the time build my stuff directly in unity) then fuse stuff together and then hunt for wrongly named materials.

Typically "basewood_yellow_folktails" is not correct while "basewood_yellow.folktails" is

And to add a layer of fun to it, blender trends to assume that two identical textures coming from different sources are probably different, so it adds a .001, .002 etc at the end of the texture name, and I have to correct it all

An other slightly annoying thing is that for example brown wood and light brown wood are the same texture, but the material has different RGB lighting, but that is not accounted for in blender so visually everything looks the same

THANKFULLY though, blender also have very efficient means of hunting down and fixing all of that mess

[marsh sluice]

That all sounds like a hassle just to get textures

[radiant heart]

i guess a reskin of the excavator in a 1x1 "digging ground" could do it or i'm oversimplifying things maybe 🤔

[shell fiber]

i thought about it, but i don't think the dirt excavator has a limit to how low it can dig

if it doesn't then that would be doable

[radiant heart]

nope so you could have an infinite 1x1 hole

[shell fiber]

oh sorry typo.
"if it does"

otherwise yes it would dig endlessly

but even without that, it likely still would produce dirt

[radiant heart]

the excavator wil dig and keep on "digging" even if it reaches the bottom of the map

was happy when i found out because having to relocate it when you reach the bottom would be a pain in the A**

[radiant heart]

lol, morning me read "RNG lighting" was not sure wth that was supposed to be and then... lightbulb😅

[shell fiber]

progress !

[snow scroll]

Sweet! even white log stairs! Wasnt that a concern?

@shell fiber I really should have tried Lemon Canyon sooner. I have a feel for the pacing you want. you know, hidden bad water, narrow rivers and arable land, water depths greater than pump 'straw" depth(U5). Dams needing to be 4 high and a hundred beavers wide... heh. If I didnt enjoy Water Beavers so much, I might call you a Monster

[radiant heart]

Called him a monster more often then I would admit to but he did the same so 🤷‍♂️

[snow scroll]

heh, well, a Monsters Inc. kine Monster, but Monster none the less

[heavy lodge]

Well, do you like pain (even more, looking at mod description) 🤣

[snow scroll]

Good point. Never considered myself a masochist. Then again, Lapan prolly never thought himself a sadist...

please know I joke as if I know you well enough to do so. no offense intended

[heavy lodge]

Why a joke ? Defaults game faction seems already to easy, so, challenges are welcomed 🤔

[snow scroll]

agreed!

first science at cycle 7 vs wonders at cycle 25

[shell fiber]

Btw just to tease something that have been on my mind for a little while, you know how dynamite can now be placed on paths ? That's because now "path" is a dedicated block segment (such as floor, corner, top etc).

It would be a real shame if brambles in U6 did not care for paths 🤭😇

(I'll remove the science lock for fences if there was one though)

[wary panther]

Dunno, I my experience with my sister's blackberries brambles don't care much about fences either.

[radiant heart]

lol, i'va done that already, if it doesn't mess up the foundation of buildings it would be ok tbh

but the path would still need to be walkable, otherwise could hardlock the game

[shell fiber]

I don't think they would block the path

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

tbh the over path was not that bad it was really the blocking of foundation that was a nightmare

[radiant heart]

your paths could actually become your bramble field and they'll be your friendly neighboor 🤔

zones not in the "chopping range" the "safe ones"

that's so stoopid but i love it !

[shell fiber]

Are you saying I should give them a "sting" aura to punish that ? 😅

[radiant heart]

problem is too much aura =lags and eternal loading...

would need to decrease the spread big time to compensate and that would go against the idea i suppose

"sane" ppl playing the mod would find it annoying for sure untill they get the potential hidden inside

[shell fiber]

Nah that's fine, we'll see. Plus if you let brambles extend on paths it would make narrow lines, that's not very efficient for spreading so they would get cleared quite fast.
It wouldn't be a great idea keeping them along for decoration because they would invade places where you might want to build stuff, and they are quite a few polygons...

[radiant heart]

but can save you if some went too far before the badtide strikes

[sullen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[radiant heart]

Just tought about it, if you go that way, would be nice to have a "cheap fence" like one log only and doesn't need to be unlocked ( but won't give a buff)

[shell fiber]

Yeah I'll probably make something like that

[sullen cape]

Ooh in vanilla: Vertical Power Shafts (YES!)

[nova crescent]

How would you harvest them if connecting a path doesn't stop them from spreading that means any open space around the area where beaver can go to harvest the bramble. From there it can spread to the whole base?

[arctic olive]

@shell fiber How long before you are finished :)?

[radiant heart]

He's already done, just holding back to pump up the hype!!!

[arctic olive]

Pretty sure he needs the 3rd bottombar row ?

[radiant heart]

Ho yeah, sub-sub menu sure is a must, otherwise even an ultrawide screen won't be able to fit the menu

[heavy lodge]

You can always scale down the UI , but for WB will need a 30X magnifier glass 😮 🤣

[radiant heart]

even at min UI, it's limited to 80% iirc

[gleaming tree]

cant wait to try u6 wb

im so excited, and concerned

[radiant heart]

looked at the new map but scrap is super far.. gonna be hard for the metal

[snow scroll]

new map?

[radiant heart]

yeah, "cliff" iirc

[shell fiber]

I have made fence gates a little while ago, that would block the brambles and still allow beavers to go

[shell fiber]

Yeah but I'm not even finished with easier mods 😅

[snow scroll]

you have a primitive smelter...

[radiant heart]

still, it's a big delay on dams

[gleaming tree]

What is iirc

[snow scroll]

not sure but im going with, if i re-call l

heh

oh, i bet its "if I remember correctly" ima wait for a confirmation though

[radiant heart]

yup or "ifI recall correctly" either way means the same

[snow scroll]

thanks, ya context got me there

[sullen cape]

IIRC it's If I Remember Correctly, heh

[radiant heart]

sSo... did some dumb stuff and on maps like plains and waterfall it is actually possible to have a lidgit hard mode with kart faction, on 3.5.5 .... the tools for the builders just made it slower, sry @lapan but you can't prevent stoopid 😉 might as well remove those so ppl can decide.

Afterall, "science is a luxury" don't need that to thrive!

[woeful sun]

hmm, recent AssetRipper versions exporting prefabs differently -- into a PrefabInstance directory instead of restoring the original path

(v1.0.4 vs 1.0.17)

[heavy lodge]

Is working in both way. With folders or only in the root of specifications....

[woeful sun]

unfortunately timbertrees is picky, so it started failing

For U5 I can just revert to 1.0.4

but U6 needs a newer version (not sure how new)

[woeful sun]

Found it -- an export setting's default value changed

BundledAssetsExportMode: DirectExport (old) vs GroupByAssetType (new)

timbertrees expects DirectExport

[woeful sun]

so I put up a new Timbertrees version and it's already out-of-date. I didn't notice this morning's patch 🙂

I've now created a separate thread for it, so will stop spamming the WB thread

[shell fiber]

no worries 😉

[gleaming tree]

when you discover yuck stew make beavers not need to eat as much

is it bad for there health?

[radiant heart]

it used to kill them slowly, now it's just a well-beeing debuff

[gleaming tree]

il take that as a plus tbh

[radiant heart]

so many things were nerfed from some original settings, having all of that in full retard mode would be nearly impossible to do

[shell fiber]

technically it can still kill them, but i'm pretty sure that is borderline impossible unless you're deliberately feeding nothing but that.

specifically one serving gives them -0.5 of the "disgusting food" need (might be displayed as "yuck !" or something like that), which kills them when they reach the minimum of -10. but that would require 20 servings, and since one serving fills 0.9 food (beavers need 0.7/day) that's 25.7 day eating only that junk. but since the need also reverts at 0.05/day that refills 1.29 of the disgusting food need, which equates to 3 more servings.

rerun that in the first calculation and that gives a solid 29 days of eating only this to finally die of intestinal congestion 😅

so effectively... that doesn't really happen, plus since eating one serving requires the beavers to be REALLY hungry (enought to eat 3 generic food items) it will almost always be their last food choice.

now if you're evil to the point of also only giving them mushroom juice to drink...

(i'm definitely sensing someone taking this as a challenge...)

[gleaming tree]

i love wb

[gleaming tree]

"have fun while I suffer" beaver needs to be an emote

[radiant heart]

there are faster ways to kill your beavers i think 🤣

[sullen cape]

I should do a district with only mushroom juice for drinking 😅😱

[sullen cape]

I wrote the above message before I read this 😂

My beavers still occasionally get crushed by heavy machinery, I though they couldn't max out that stat that causes it though.

[radiant heart]

if they can eat deluxe stew it's a non-issue 😉

[sullen cape]

Oh yeah that negates some debuffs

[gleaming tree]

any word? just currious. im not trying to sound pushy or stress ya out.

also i cant wait to play in the bramble

[sullen cape]

I think it's gonna take a lot more work and balancing.

Stacked (on top of overhangs) "buried" water tanks anyone? With lodges for support of course

[heavy lodge]

With the capacity of "buried" tank, to stack then on an overhang, it's a disaster waiting to happen 🤣

[shell fiber]

I think part of the buried tank explicitly requires ground, so there probably won't be any issues 😉

I've fixed the 4w District center mod yesterday but I don't have a lot of time during weekdays, basically 1h tops 😣

I'll have time to work on stuff this weekend but I didn't even finish fixing the plants

After that I'll work on rebuilding the faction, but just importing a zillion specifications is going to take a while

[gleaming tree]

cool. i can dig it, i know its alot of work and i think i can say the comunity really appriceites your time, effert and absolute (insane) passion for the master class faction your brewed up. just one last question i have, are you thinking of doing another map because of the aquaduct system now, or modifying the lemon canyon? i know your already stacked up with u6, was just curious, and hyped.

[shell fiber]

Hmm ... 🤔
I might make an other map with this faction in mind, but that would not particularly take advantage of the possibilities the water mechanics offer.

Actually I'm still unsure how the changes would affect this faction. Like do I integrate watertight floors or not and what does that means for how the faction would play

For the other factions o don't think it will change too much since they are already quite sandboxy, but in our case, can I really make aqueducts possible without actual dam block pieces?

[sullen cape]

I think maybe a really expensive Sluice could fit within Waterbeavers, but maybe it still makes it too easy to dam, especially for badtides

Maybe aquaducts are for heritics lol 😂

[radiant heart]

I think watertight tiles come back a bit to the discussion we had about the unfloodable buildings. Would have to be very late game.

At the same time, even if stuff is completely ewatertight, with the badtide it's not as easy as dump houses in the river and make the roof watertight

[wary panther]

Maybe something like the flume pieces @tawdry bronze is working on for water extension: #1064976877170741328 message - that would give you aqueduct walls, but not be stackable into megastructure dams

[abstract vector]

Making aqueducts without vanilla leeves would require a lot of buildings

I understand why, but your decision on levee restrictions is probably my least favorite thing about the mod @shell fiber

[gleaming tree]

I think that's the best part. That you can't just play like the vanilla factions.

[snow scroll]

I havent dabbled much in U6... WBO changes everything

[gleaming tree]

I would love to see some more of that dam and bypass, I need some ideas

[snow scroll]

oh my. it was a rather ugly process. Many Whitepaws sacrificed themselves for the ' generational' Dam.

The unique WBO options are quite spectacular.

Cannons and Mechanical pumps to help rid the badwater. I takes 3 days for the damed valley to evac right before 'Lemon Canyon"

here is other side of that Dam

Deep Water pumps with Squewer access paths

[snow scroll]

definitely the best condition I have kept Lemon Canyon in all my restarts.

[shell fiber]

Nice dam !

[snow scroll]

Yupper! I finally feel I have gotten oput of preschool in WBO.1 Still so much to Work out

[snow scroll]

and I destroyed my cart too early. lol

Back to early elementary classes fopr me

[arctic olive]

@shell fiber new version of TimberApi has removed the order multiplier, so all orders in the prefabs are now as they are.

[radiant heart]

don't need to destroy the kart you know, and it looks soo nice, why getting rid of it 😅

[radiant heart]

Actually tought it would be cool if the district center would be an "upgrade" on the kart so you have to build karts in other districts first but that brings up the issue of how do you get your anvil/chauldron/librairyset....

[gleaming tree]

maybe the "upgrade" to the kart deletes, leaving the rubble, but places the 4wdc

[radiant heart]

that sounds like a lot of trouble for lapan

[woeful sun]

sounds like it "would need code"

[gleaming tree]

yea it would huh 🫠

[snow scroll]

Thanks! it is similar to what one envisions when you fiest read that 'house is a dam'. Making it happen, with all the WBO mechanics, is not as straightforward as that vision. It only took me 1000+ WBO hours to make it actually work out. heh

[snow scroll]

To continue my child like analogy, thanks for giving me a 'fridge' to put my picture on. im rather proud of it. heh

[woeful sun]

||Beaver washing machine|| 🤣

(catching up on JC's WB ep 21)

[radiant heart]

put a spoiler on that plz ||, at least the first 24h, plz 😉 i hate getting my surprises wasted because i watched discord before the vids ! ||

[woeful sun]

hmm, how do you add those

also it's the video thumbnail & title, so not exactly a surprise

Not like ||█████ ███ ██████ ██ █████||

[radiant heart]

true,|| just it's even better then the impression so... ||

[radiant heart]

lol

[woeful sun]

double redacted 🙂

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/got-'em-jimmy-dugan-a-league-of-their-own-gotcha-tom-hanks-gif-3457798280583532099

[woeful sun]

Like everyone's password is ●●●●●●●●●●

[radiant heart]

nice, mine is " * * * * * * * * * * * " you don't know it 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/whoopsie-doodle-ned-flanders-spills-ink-gif-16236737

[snow scroll]

And... Not so much...

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/ruh-roh-gif-23221337

[shell fiber]

i think once i'm done with the brambles, i'll work on rebuilding the faction proper

(i'm very slow because i'm trying to do things "right", IE not importing a bazillion textures for what really should be just a hex value)

right now the dead variant is too purple

[radiant heart]

don't stress about it, trying to get oxygen instead of water atm 😉

[shell fiber]

oxygen not included ?

[radiant heart]

yup

[shell fiber]

ahahah, poor you

i would need a year off to play this game again

[radiant heart]

it's just like playing WB but on easy 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

surviving is not that hard, getting stuff done is the hard part

it's a great game

okay, i have to afk for a little while

[radiant heart]

Ho yeah, sure, after a hard run no science with your masterpeice, what could be hard 😉

[shell fiber]

someone didn't plan for badtides ?🤣

[shell fiber]

ah, perfect !

[heavy lodge]

I love how it looks now the damn brambles 😍

[shell fiber]

just a quick idea that has been on my mind for a while : who much of the world population would want me dead if instead of storing rice in crates, i were so store it as a powder ? 😅

[heavy lodge]

While will not be stored in some bizarre half buried tanks, could be OK, I guess 🤔

[shell fiber]

youhouh !

nah, i'm joking, this is just an empty shell

but the textures did load 🙂

[shell fiber]

hmm, turns out i never bothered with fixing the core item group icon. still the good old question mark

[shell fiber]

slowly taking shape

for now i'm rebuilding the different custom groups etc

[radiant heart]

soooo, they spread vertically now?

[shell fiber]

no no, it's just the default brush on the edito is 5x5

[radiant heart]

you mean a pile instead of a warehouse? tbh it would make sence

[radiant heart]

got me real scrared for a minute !

[shell fiber]

well it's a granular material, so i guess it's "fine" but i can think of all the asians on earth screaming in terror at the idea of storing rice in a big pile on the floor 😅

[shell fiber]

oh can i ask you (or anyone else still having U5 running) for something ?
i'd need a thumbnail image for a texture holder mod. like something with a few soups, glass panes / sawblades, giant sequoia storage etc.

[radiant heart]

like a screenshot of the diffrent storages?

[shell fiber]

yeah basically

[radiant heart]

pretty sure i can do that, give me 10 to boot up my old save, with the "no science" one there ain't much to show for 😅

[radiant heart]

do you want all that stuff in one picture? cuz i don't think i have a zone with all that together

[shell fiber]

oh i was thinking like new map, dev mod and just plop it all on the ground

[radiant heart]

kk

[shell fiber]

doesn't have to be connected or make sense or anything

[radiant heart]

on it!

[shell fiber]

thanks !

[radiant heart]

not sure why but the giant log storage won't build 🤔

ok, nvm, i'm dumb

Do you need all the drinks too?

[shell fiber]

not all of them

just an sample of the custom textures

it's only for illustration

[radiant heart]

that's ok ? can drop in more med tanks if needed

[shell fiber]

actually i'd like to show the glass panes and sawblades or something. also maybe glorious storages

[radiant heart]

ok

[shell fiber]

😇

thanks !

[radiant heart]

Better?

never got to storing robotic part, that thing looks really nice ! 😍

let me know if you need anything else, gonna close it now tho my PC gonna explode running that plus ONI at the same time😅

[sullen cape]

Well done anyway 🙂

[radiant heart]

just realized i forgot the press axels... 🫣

[sullen cape]

Did you ever play SimCity much?

[shell fiber]

Perfect !

[radiant heart]

back in the days, like 30 years ago, yes, never got super far tho prefered launching disasters and crushing everything i took a massive loan for and start over

[sullen cape]

When I'm in the right mood I'll still play SimCity 4, never really got into Skylines though

[abstract vector]

I am playing modded satisfactory in the mean time

[shell fiber]

whelp, i'm trying to load all of the items at once but there's an unknown crash at the moment

and it's late enough for today

possibly because some good visualization are not loaded, but it feels like a need that doesn't find its specification

anyway, GN

[radiant heart]

Thanks for your hard work! and GN

[silver phoenix]

on the topic of alternative storages, maybe you could explore storing items by hanging them in bunches, like onions, grapes, peppers etc. There's a village in serbia that is known to sun-dry their pepper harvest by hanging them around the house. Or in the case of rice, potatoes, or coffee beans, they can be stored in hessian/burlap bags. Just some idea's.

[shell fiber]

ah, found the bug

the omnifood fills the "foreign food" need that had been externalized in the balloon mod

and likely the omnidrink is trying to fill the "dandeltea" need that i renamed "lotustea" inside the files since i'm migrating and rebuildign everything

probably my only chance to fix this kind of itchy mistakes

also like "coal" being written with a small 'c'

ugh

[radiant heart]

the inportant ting is are we "planKing" stuff now ? 😝 and is it back to "gaZ" ?

[empty brook]

I enjoyed the gaz spelling

[radiant heart]

JC reading it cracked me up everytimes

[empty brook]

At least he educated me that it was infact, not a typo

[sharp flame]

Should put in a loading hint that it's not a typo XD

[snow scroll]

If you can do Loading hints, remind people to place the billboards. many questions are answered there.

[shell fiber]

one less issue

now i have to fix all the blueprint-related items reciepes etc

but that might be taking shape slightly faster than i originally thought

the real challenge will be to import buildings, at least if i want to do it in a clean way through meshy

which is a huge pain

[radiant heart]

IMO better take your time and make it right, you'll ne even more happy afterwards, with the time you've spent on that mod, a little "spring cleaning" is not much time in the grand scheme of things 😉

[snow scroll]

And with all the attention the mod receives there will likely be many new players with many voices questions and input. (that is the politically correct way of putting it)

I finally figured out the medium Pile holds more than a height of one and can be stacked with tall platforms🤦

[snow scroll]

Remember to Color Correct. something pristine about a colony of Whitepaw buildings

[shell fiber]

Yeah but that was obtuse, I think I reverted them

Need to double-check actually

Some people didn't like it because the stackability took a hit

And accessibility

[snow scroll]

for U6? less confusion all around. will they hold 16 less?

[shell fiber]

Yeah of course, right now I'm filling in the needs and items, only once that is done I can put in the buildings. Otherwise the fake crashes when a building refers to an unknown item or need

[shell fiber]

Uuh, I think one voxel can basically hold 20 items for pileables

[snow scroll]

hmm, the this before this because you need that for the opther.... sounds kinda like my favorite mod

[shell fiber]

But honestly I'm itching about splitting powders and log-types into different storages because storing only 80 sawdust in a 2x2 pile is kind of miserable.

But I'm 99% sure that is both but worth the effort, and confusing to everyone

The other thing I'm really itching about is removing the giant buried tank, and giving the blueprint to the gigaragantuan storage, in which case I would also add a liquid storage variant

Ah but they need glass too...😓

[snow scroll]

I dont understand 'powers' but the rest makes sense. i try to put my subsequent mushroom growers on top of large log and sawdust piles, with crappy platforms and log staris. I most often use small coverd tanks also for one layer verticality. Lemon Canyon is rather tight when ya try maximize irrigation towers and arable land

[shell fiber]

Stupid idea, it's it possible to make negative items ? Like I could make a loan bank 🤔

[snow scroll]

For me it seems its the metal and Tar quantities that holds back the buried tank rather than the blueprint

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah that's supposed to be quite far off

In principle I want to make it so that skipping over intermediary tech is ill advised, that's also why I made the ladders so expensive, most people just skip entirely over all types of stairs and put ladders even in the most unnecessary places

Oh well, I guess the giant buried tank will stay

[snow scroll]

It is ill advised. i end up worlds of hurt tryin to rush Shiny things Im not even able to utilize.

I like how the 1k Nursery is also behind, Mech drills and trebuchet

[shell fiber]

That's why there is the tech tree board 😉

[snow scroll]

I mean I Like it. my first stumble through to that far maybe not so much .heh

[snow scroll]

What if each plank batch only made 4 sawdust? Though not really a huge issue. yes I like to utilize sawdust for paper and brain stimulating items. Just means we may have "Brun" sawdust in the wood burner more than previously

[shell fiber]

Hmm... I prefer to not touch that, I had made some calculation on how much sawdust is one log or one plank so that both recipes of the mushroom grower are balanced for different purposes. if I poke at it too much, one may become too good or too bad

Unless I readjust it too

[snow scroll]

Kinda my thought process, thus we Brun em 🙃

[snow scroll]

Am I mistaken? I was under the impression these were now buildable from inside...

[radiant heart]

maybe something to do with the tank house beeing 2 high🤔

[shell fiber]

no last time i tried they could. but all 3 under it are not connected apparently, so...

[radiant heart]

they can be not connected but in building range tho, or those the way they were tweeked have to be connected to be built from the ground?

[snow scroll]

Kinda like when yer questioning yourself beause you were sure you had Meh drill bluprint somewhere and why arent they making it fancy only to realize the industrious crew already built

[abstract vector]

Lmao at JC accidentally executing that beaver

[gleaming tree]

lmao right

[shell fiber]

ugh 😞
i have been stuck on a display issue for the past week, but at last found a solution

i need to rebuild some stuff but i can progress again

[radiant heart]

progess city!

[radiant heart]

A bit curious, with the sluice beeing an overpowerfull "drain house" are those comming back but nerfed on U6?

[shell fiber]

I don't think sluices are OP since they have no ability to push water, they are basically dam pieces that accept watertight blocks on top and have appropriate visuals (and a few extra settings)

But tbh I didn't even play on U6 more than 10 minutes so I might be wrong about some stuff

But we'll see, if it breaks the balance too much, I'm not forced to add them

[woeful sun]

They're one way, with auto close if water: 1) gets too high, 2) gets too contaminated, 3) isn't contaminated enough

[snow scroll]

The map was changed after?because of JC correct? I was watching while playing and they are different. im on v.8

His version didnt have these sweet one tiles that fit abuncha levees

[radiant heart]

Yeah, it's more of a "pipe" with a valve i guess

[radiant heart]

clearly was, ( don't have that on my run too) the challenge would have been a bit diffrent but not redoing it

[shell fiber]

Not strictly because of him but yes seeing him play made me realise a few things were not behaving as intended so I made a few adjustments

What I retouched was mostly the squiggly brook in the lemon grove and the negative source, plus the elevation on the three cracks leading water out of the canyon (all got -2 elevation and more space to place dams)

[snow scroll]

and I was complaining about the shunts being 4 high. JC is a trooper

It was another of your good puzzles but I believe I worked out a way to bypass the water sucker tile.

[sullen cape]

I've been wanting what Sluices provide since my first playthrough

Being slowly let water out of a dam cuts out so much micro, and letting it out the bottom of the dam removes the need for floodgates

[heavy lodge]

Watch out, or @shell fiber will make a habitable sluices 🤣

[woeful sun]

lol

[radiant heart]

pretty sure it was already planned anyway 🤷‍♂️

[sudden bramble]

how do i download this? it seems really fun

[spring heath]

Just seen this death for the first time! 😂

[spring heath]

have a look here: https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/water-beaver-overhaul :)

[snow scroll]

This Mod is only for U% currenently being updated for U6. grab em from Mod.io. only the mod and its dependancies for best outcome.

[spring heath]

How do you build the supplemental buildings on the abyss elevator please?

[sullen cape]

I think you have to build the abyss first

[spring heath]

got that in but wherever I put the supplemental it's red

[snow scroll]

it hooks in. From the outside

i believe you can only put modules on opposite sides the power and door

[spring heath]

got it! tysm

had paths blocking it from going green

[sudden bramble]

is there a faster way to download mods off that site instead of downloading them all manualy 1 by 1

[abstract vector]

Make sure you're on update 5.x.x (not experimental) and use the mod manager to download the dependantcies

[sudden bramble]

thank you

[sullen cape]

I disliked mod manager, and actually found it easier to download the mods manually

[shell fiber]

i didn't really have to do that but... i guess well have better ruined houses models

[heavy lodge]

Looks like hit's by an earthquake 😮 🤣

[arctic olive]

The first one looks like its been hit by a witch

[spring heath]

where do you connect the power network on the power plant 🙈

[distant wigeon]

Vanilla needs stuff like this, IMO...

[sullen cape]

They look really well done 👏

[shell fiber]

The outside connectors are on the chimneys

I also wanted to rework the ruined path and make it connect properly to neighbouring paths, but rn I can't be bothered, that's a lot of work for barely any difference

[spring heath]

ah, does it all need to be built before the power blocked error clears?

[shell fiber]

Yeah I think so

[radiant heart]

Nice!

[shell fiber]

@distant wigeon i had an idea about the mod maker, do you think it would be interesting to have a "bottomless hole" item in map editor ? like some dark void thing that can't be destroyed and sucks up liquid that falls on it ?

and of course that can't be build on

[shell fiber]

does someone has a good view(s) of the layout of JC's dam ? the one with the architect's lodge

[radiant heart]

if you say please i'm pretty sure he can send you screenshots directly 😉

[sullen cape]

I think you'd have Ping privileges lapan, but I think he might read this channel too

[distant wigeon]

Not 100% certain that will be neccessary. A Negative Strength badwater source works similarly, though will obviously favor draining badwater over regular water - just that given the option, it will drain badwater first before draining regular water. At least, that has been my experience.
While an indiscriminate fluid drainer would have potential use cases, there is the minor issue of now a map requires a mod to play or it won't work right - I am concerned about most non-modded player's ability to read.

[shell fiber]

@storm gulch pretty please 😇

Or I can go though the videos myself 🤔

[storm gulch]

Lapan always has ping privileges

I can grab you one in a moment

@shell fiber

(what a mess this is)

[shell fiber]

Thank you 💖

[snow scroll]

@spring heathyes. and it sucks water until its all built

[spring heath]

Thanks. The base is finished but I think I’ll pause the rest until other fires are put out 👀

[shell fiber]

well thankfully for everyone, i have not found a way to make it explode 😅

[snow scroll]

If you choose to work on the ruined paths can you make them accept platforms at the same time!?

[shell fiber]

oh they don't ?

i didn't think of that

[snow scroll]

nope. kinda shetty tearing them out just for one level verticality

[shell fiber]

sure, unless i forget about it 😅
but i also want to make them buildable

[snow scroll]

they are. In Map Maker 🙃

[shell fiber]

@storm gulch how about that ? the best dam you could dream of 😅

moslty uses stuff you already have unlocked, except the engine that can be replaced by something else

and gristmills that you probably will want to build soon

it doesn't make a bypass, but it will hold a crapton on water

(i don't think a bypass is possible strictly speaking)

you can improve it by sealing the small opening on the right and adding a water cannon to irrigate post-dam

but then the watefall limit might mess things up

[sullen cape]

Beavers? ||Nice 😎 ||

[radiant heart]

that's cute but who would want 3 architects?

[sullen cape]

||R, C and E|| 🤣

[storm gulch]

This is magnificent

[shell fiber]

thanks !
there's an odd chance that you end up having to widen the channel that goes off the map, and that might be expensive in dynamite, but that's doable 🙂

[snow scroll]

I was Playin around with your Diagram. the hitch i ran into was the florist holding 750 water each🙃

[shell fiber]

What 😱

Which recipe ?

[snow scroll]

berries

[sullen cape]

I was gonna say 4x florists would chew some water...

[shell fiber]

Whelp, I managed to get back all the needs, all the items, and all the recipes back in.

The display of resource in storage is currently broken but that's beyond my abilities, hopefully knatte will figure something out

Now the real fun likely begins : importing the buildings in blender then re-importing them through meshy.

And the cherry on the cake : praying very hard that animations "just work"

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-beg-please-homer-the-simpsons-gif-15706311

[radiant heart]

I was running 4 florist on a previous run but after the large quifer was unlocked so water was not that much of an issue, with pumping only they are hungry mofos hard to keep full

[radiant heart]

one down!

[shell fiber]

yeah, glad it works !

actually there is not a lot of weird shenanigans, the animation is carried with the model when exported to blender, it's just a matter of keeping a '#' on names of the parts that move so that it doesn't get glued to the rest.

so even my custom animations should have no problem

i will still have to fight the water particles etc but i supposed that won't be excessively hard

[radiant heart]

cool, it's a good news i suppose?

[shell fiber]

yeah

but i stopped after the water pump for today

i'll have time again tomorrow but i don't know how much

[halcyon trellis]

Looks like you broke your shaft

[shell fiber]

that works fine too

[radiant heart]

Yay, now the "weirdos" can hard mode on U6 !!!!

[shell fiber]

For the record I also fixed the normal shower and the river bath

But I'll have to rethink the upgrade system for the water pumps since it relied on the difference between light and heavy stackable to discriminate normal and deep water pumps

But I'll manage

[sullen cape]

Looking at the most recent update, if you think adding building stages to all the Waterbeavers buildings is hard work I would be 100% fine if you didn't prioritise it 🙂

[shell fiber]

oh actually i saw this script in the guts of some building a couple of days ago(levee i think) so it seems pretty easy to do, but yeah, the 3D modeling of this is absolutely not a priority

[shell fiber]

hmm.... i didn't think much of it at first, but it seems that the animation is slightly defective. it always pumps twice then rests for a little while

not a big issue though

and i fixed the water pump upgrades 🙂

[shell fiber]

at last

that was a big piece

i'll fix the animation later, for now that's "good enough"

[safe hinge]

can this mod be used in U6?

[radiant heart]

not yet

[safe hinge]

ok

[fresh torrent]

has this mod hit steam workshop?

[radiant heart]

nope, U6 version is still in the making

[fresh torrent]

ooo thats what u6 is

my bad

[radiant heart]

it is part of U6

[shell fiber]

I don't have a time estimation for when this will be released on U6 but I'll be able to move faster now that that the water pumps are cleared.

For most buildings I'll probably be able to mass export the 3d models, that timbermesh thing the Devs made works better that I thought.

We'll definitely end up with a bunch of visual bugs here and there but I'll fix that later. If possible I'd like to release before U6 goes live

[stone spruce]

I'm very much looking forward to when this mod hits U6. Just wanted to drop by and thank you for both the mod and all the work you've done

[halcyon trellis]

JC is struggling with but enjoying U5 lemon map with water beavers. I thank you for making the mod and creating hours of entertainment/frustration for him

[radiant heart]

to be fair some stuff been made more convinient on more recent versions on lemon canyon, that old one JC is playing on has some nasty little tricks

[halcyon trellis]

And we love every cringy moment

[shell fiber]

aaah, crap, made a mistake in how i organized the upgrades 😩

the end segments need to be able to be rotated to either end

[sullen cape]

Oh good luck fixing it, and thanks again for all the hard work Lapan

[shell fiber]

hmm... an expectable consequence of water being 3D, since water no longer extend to the bottom of the map, watertight buildings are now essentially unfloodable

not really something i want, but i did consider making this change at some point

as intended for the watertightness, but still unfloodable

honestly that might just make a lot of things a lot easier

[shell fiber]

also thanks for the support

[shell fiber]

okay, both fixed

understanding the constraints made is much clearer

[radiant heart]

uninteded upgrade to the waterproofing !

[radiant heart]

wait, the right one even having water flow over the door is not flooded?

[distant wigeon]

Apparently not. In the vanilla game, none of the occupiable buildings are also watertight, so probably not something the Devs thought about.

[radiant heart]

makes me wonder how the "flooded" status is checked now, was quite simple with 2.5D water

[wary panther]

probably just whether the "inside" voxel of the door contains water 🙂

now that water is voxel-ized

hence waterproof building => "no water inside, we're good"

[radiant heart]

so to revert to U5 behaviors the door voxel would have to be made "non watertight ? 🤔

[distant wigeon]

This was my theory as well, but I wasn't confident it could possibly be that simple..

[wary panther]

well, I'm only guessing

but if water now occupies voxels, that seems like the easy way to define "flooded"

[shell fiber]

Uuh, yes, and I actually could do that now since stackability would not be hindered anymore

[radiant heart]

in my head that should not flood tho, since the roof is above the water level, it should be flooded only if the water goes above the roof

[shell fiber]

But the problem with that approach is that you can't choose the directionality, so your could want to use the door voxel of a building as a dam only to find out that it weirdly lets water through the side wall

[wary panther]

well, hard to be watertight if you open the door.

[shell fiber]

I think for now I'll just let it as is, it changes how you'd play the faction and build your dam, but if anything that will make things a lot easier and more accessible, which is not necessarily bad.

And I could always compensate by making something else harder 😅

[radiant heart]

the "something else" harder is a bit of a concern....

[shell fiber]

Hmm... 🤔
The main implication is going to be that damming a river will be much easier, and there is just no good reason anymore to not building everything in the river.

Beavers will also be swimming much more often so they will be more wet ...

There's basically no drawback to this is there ? 🤔

[radiant heart]

if there was not bad tide it would make it super easy, beeing able to dam it up doesn't let you divert the badwater

[shell fiber]

Oh right, badtides... I keep forgetting those

That it quite a drawback to be honest

If you just dump everything on the river and let heater sloppily go over the building, everyone will get showered with filth during bad tides 🤔

Whelp, seems good enough for me 😅

[radiant heart]

and gonna kill all your fields

[shell fiber]

That's why irrigation towers are here 😊

[radiant heart]

yeah, that's what i was curious about:

if you flood with badwater an irrigated field, does the crop die at the "flooded" rate or the "contaminated" rate

?

[shell fiber]

I didn't test that but I would assume at the flooded rate

Most likely the contamination goes through being on contaminated ground, which is prevented by the tower

[radiant heart]

something else i could give a try later on

[ivory fractal]

Hi, can you do something about the size of Tapper's Shack? The footprint of the building is 2x2 squares, but the model is slightly larger and the entrance extends into another square. That looks terrible. I know for the upgrades you need that size of the building, but can you make it as 2x3 squares? Like Farmhouse or Harvester's Cottage. Thanks

[snow scroll]

S

I have 4... I must be doin it wrong. I did just unlock ladders though so the two used to get into super irrigation fertilization towers will go for sure

[snow scroll]

Though you do need a non flooding flow through the map.

Having progressed further than before in Lemon Canyon, it would be pretty sweet to start building canals through that Huge river early game with that "adjusted" mechanic

[radiant heart]

maybe mid game for fast platfroms but lader on with the mining modules once you have all the BPs it's kinda obselete

[shell fiber]

I think the version JC Plays on would be far more viable with that 😅

[shell fiber]

Wait what the hell is that monstrosity 😅?

Pretty neat though 😊

[snow scroll]

heh I dropped my production right in the bad water

I was definately ready for fasteners by the time the factory went up and the bad water evaporated. the timing worked out that they snapped it together during a drought and the water was lower

[snow scroll]

is it wrong of me to think JC should start a fresh WBO playthrough? at least version 8 if not an easier map.

[radiant heart]

nan, he's starting to get out of the crack, the key of the map it to go up and he barely started last episode

[snow scroll]

heh I have a version 10 lemon canyon that groups resources a little and reduces some of the confusion up top.

[radiant heart]

don't remember what version I have, probably the same as JC or one sooner

[snow scroll]

yes, up. irrigation towerts are amazing. as long as you can keep the numbers high enough for consistant hauling

hows ONI treating you?

[radiant heart]

it's fun, 3rd run in, about to give rocketry a fair try

[snow scroll]

heh, like this mod, I restarted so mabny times before I even got far...rockets

i played heavy and never got the dlc till I 100% ed a run.

[radiant heart]

got the DLC in a pack ( the first one, not the frozen one)

realized in the middle of second run i didn't do a "vanilla run" 😂

[shell fiber]

I think in ONI the biggest milestone in the game is learning to make a heat deletion engine.

I'd like to go back at this game someday but it is so time consuming...

Wonder if it is available on switch actually 🤔

Whelp nope

[snow scroll]

A sustainable heat deletion machine that in turn has enough is cool enough lasts long enough... heh

heh mass slickster farms

[radiant heart]

lol, problem is at some point it's too much and the game just forgets to delete the CO2, almost killed all my dupes like that once, had to change those into omeletes and BBQ

[shell fiber]

I kind of prefer the algae things to delete CO2 actually 🤔

Critters require a lot of space and always get stuck in doors,it's kind of impractical

[radiant heart]

kinda hard when you are out of algae😅

and the skimmer... well let's just say things went wrong and i had a big lack of water at some point ...

[shell fiber]

managed to fix the small aquifer pump but somehow there's something wrong with the big one

[shell fiber]

Next are the three water cannons but that should be quite easy

[radiant heart]

water is flowing but the pumps are not pumping, what kind of sorcery is that?

[woeful sun]

Some sort of internal storage no-doubt. Maybe the pumps are only required to start the water flowing?

[radiant heart]

probably, some sort of mechanical syphon that only requires to be started

[wary panther]

Hydraulic Ram pumps are nifty. Once you start them, as long as there's water in the source it will keep pumping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFdyqTGx32A - if you have a source in the middle, of a slope you can pump water uphill, powered by the water you're letting flow downhill. You can't cheat conservation of energy, but you can do it without any moving parts (except two check valves, which I guess are technically moving parts)

unless you use a Tesla valve or something (now I wonder if building a ram pump with Tesla valves would actually work, or if you wouldn't get a sharp enough shutoff to trigger the water hammer that drives it uphill)

[wary panther]

Hmm, or more on-topic - timberborn does suffer from water hammer, and with sluices we now have check valves. So maybe one could build a ram pump 🙂

[sullen cape]

Yeah my current U6 experiemental game has bad waterhammer with Sluices and Mechanical Water Pumps, had to build extra levees to stop stuff overtopping

[shell fiber]

the animations have a weird pause between each loop, and the particle controller can only be directly linked to the mechanical supply, or to the workers being active inside. since there is no workers inside, not choice but to have particles run basically all the time.

[radiant heart]

only downside I see is it's frame issues later on when they animate and are not pumping out water actually

[shell fiber]

hmm... the water cannon animation seems to be broken, so i looked into it an ended up fixing the water pumps animations

[radiant heart]

progress is progress, even tho it was not the intended one!

[shell fiber]

turns out it was very simple

somehow the animation was exported into a default time window of 250 frames while it is actually 100 frames. so just rewrite "100" and save and that's it.

[radiant heart]

always nice when it's an easy fix

[shell fiber]

yep

saves a lot of willpower to just stumble on the solution to something i couldn't find the courage to do 😅

[snow scroll]

Just glad you are handling it as you are speaking french to me😅

districts are so frustrating. Yet a blue water river is still a win

[shell fiber]

nice 🙂

[snow scroll]

Just curious, what was the intention with the pillars in the river?

[shell fiber]

i was thinking of some sort of ruined bridge or somethign

[snow scroll]

i c

[shell fiber]

but it was also supposed to be usable as support for crossing,

except the path i though was probably awkward

i'm probably not that good at map design 😓

[snow scroll]

that is actually what I thought it was for

Actually your map is quite amazing. especially as it really was always geared for WBO and your special mechanics

Water Cannons are super cool

[shell fiber]

thanks 😊

[snow scroll]

I went from scared of your map to learning quite a bit compared to my lazy river map designs

[shell fiber]

ah, at least that's a good thing

i'm still a bit sorry for JC because he's sruggling against a poorly tested version of it

[snow scroll]

agreed. JC is a trooper. He will just handle it. I think he is more frustrated with wanting more rapid progress for us greedy content devourers

[snow scroll]

80 cycles in and I finally got my lotus lake to hold water to be able to be consistently harvested🤦

[radiant heart]

it's not that bad, my dumb run is on the same version so.... he should be ok

[shell fiber]

okay, for now the water cannons work (save for their animations), the lido works too (didn't check the water dump) and the irrigation towers will need to wait for igor to fix them, hopefully he does so not too late.

which means i'm almost done with the water buildings

[radiant heart]

is the dump spewing green ooze?

[shell fiber]

not the biggest folder but certainly one of the most difficult one

[shell fiber]

should it ? 😅

[radiant heart]

was fun and sure could scare the shit out of ppl thinking they left it on badwater !

[shell fiber]

oh, the U6 version will not be compatible with old saves i'm afraid

[radiant heart]

was not expecting it to be tbh

[shell fiber]

or it will but i regularized the names of a bunch of things

so half of the building will likely vanish

[snow scroll]

hmmm, population creep IS a problem. Easy fix heh

[radiant heart]

prioritize buildings that don't give houses is your pop is exploding, i remember on my first couple runs i never did a sawmill, went all the waywith gnawing stations ( think i had like 10~15 at some point)

[snow scroll]

I overbuild.

double stacked primative dams would save me tons too

[radiant heart]

Nice, wasn't sure if the canon could reach from the bottom!

[snow scroll]

had to blow receptacle. cannons are on the river bank and in v.08 bypass trench

[snow scroll]

I almost feel as if every "extra" beaver should be a hauler. I tend to ovwerdo the upgradables toward this end

[storm gulch]

Fortunately for all of us, the people who watch me play WB feed heavily on my misfortune and struggle, and I feed (literally) on their continued engagement and interest in watching my videos

There is no need to feel bad

Water Beavers is suffering

It is known

[snow scroll]

it a hell of a battle. we are acknowledging the disadvantages you persevere

[woeful sun]

I think there's some way to add "previous names for this building" so that the old names get autoupdated to the new ones. They did this for the Wonders (the old names were EndgameBuilding or something like that).

I'm about to watch JC's WB ep 28. 🍿

[shell fiber]

Yeah maybe I should add rust compatibility but I'd need to look for the old names.

[shell fiber]

You need a lot for sure, but I wouldn't be able to tell what proportion is best

[woeful sun]

From the comments I've seen it's gonna be a good one 😆

[shell fiber]

Not a problem, a feature 😉

[woeful sun]

ahh Prefab.BackwardCompatiblePrefabNames

[snow scroll]

feeding 880 beavers no problem 1-1100 was gettin dicey

[shell fiber]

More CW farms ? 😉

[woeful sun]

quickest way is probably load an old save and see what comes up in the log

I think missing prefabs are mentioned by name

[snow scroll]

makin controllers. i still havent worked out drought time power. just popped in abyss and on the fence for metal or heavier batteries

[shell fiber]

Nah I have the entire U5 build saved, I can just look it up building by building, but I think for some of them (typically the water pumps) the anchor of the building may be different since the pipe is dynamic now, so they will probably fail to load.

[woeful sun]

ehhh, yea

[woeful sun]

mmm, can you "mark" wild brambles for planting? Would that stop them spreading?

I'm guessing it might have in the old version where there weren't two different types,

but probably doesn't now that they're split up

[shell fiber]

Wild brambles no, at least not in U5

[woeful sun]

Not as bad as I'd feared 🙂

[shell fiber]

@storm gulch
for the central plateau, i think the easiest way to dam it up is to blow up those two blocs, then you need to climb 11 levels up, which you can do with 1 normal pit and ladder lodge + 5 liquid storage pit and ladder lodges, that would "only" add 30 beavers (but 7 haulers), but also give you storage for 1500 liquid units.

or you can mix things up and add builders etc.

or you can put a log levee in this spot and then build up only 6 levels, which you can do at the "cheapest" with 3 liquid storage houses (the 2x2x2 ones) which would only make +9 beavers , but then you have to build the ladders yourself

i think in either case, the extra farmland would more than compensate the extra population

[snow scroll]

1st time I noticed this. glass clipping

[radiant heart]

choices were made, otherwise the building would have been 2 voxel high and it got a lot of complains.

Overall, ppl preferred the clip instead of changing the storage height. And lapan did the change accordingly!

[snow scroll]

im on board. game crashed to desktop while I was cropping that. On reload it was a different voxel inst\ead of those 2.

[shell fiber]

actually there is an intermediate solution but i didn't get to it yet. basically have it display as a single up/down mesh like in the giga storage

anyway, yesterday i finished the water buildings, so now i'll move on to fixing the dams and fences 🙂

[shell fiber]

does anyone actually likes / actually uses the utility dam ?

for most usages i feel the pass-through lodge is better, and for allowing power across a dam, we have other options (like underground shafts / shaft bridges from Battery_smooth)

that would save me the trouble of making the models

because of course i can't prevent myself to remake them more cleanly than they were 😓

[snow scroll]

I use em. Almost always double stacked. Can usually only function door or powerper dam. i ferget about all the mods. Make em dependancies. Its yer mod. Do it how you want.

i think I used tunnel shafts for the first time in my last run

[shell fiber]

oh, that one should not be an issue, i'll probably have yet another damhouse just for that.
may or may not be the sluice house

[snow scroll]

I found that if they were in the mod they were pretty cool. I had to try some I didnt undewrstand to finally realize that. Like the cannons. I was so confused, till i werked em out.

[shell fiber]

whelp for now the dams are working fine

not particularily complex buildings to be fair

but of course blender is a pain in the ***

[snow scroll]

Now that you are done with dams i remember. stacked dams, it is hard to grab the dam from under the upgrade, no separation of hit box.

prolly not a biggie. noticed when trying to check progress status

[shell fiber]

that's on purpose, or at least it was with my initial design since the upgrade could originally remain even if you delete the base one. but that's fixed now.
why would you need to select the bottom one though ?

[shell fiber]

hmm

interesting

that's in the floodgate

[snow scroll]

Just cause i overbuild and often check progress and potential holdups.

[shell fiber]

for now i have fixed all the dams (except the utilliy ones, maybe later)

[heavy lodge]

in the dam, too. But , why ? Cannot set a decimal value to make flow from the edge, so ... 🤔

[shell fiber]

yeah at the moment i don't understand what this script does 🤔

looking at JC's latest WB video, i am still traumatized by the not flipped hands of soups 😅

[heavy lodge]

It is used in overhangs for water to flow on the surface ...

[snow scroll]

Inorite. I have mild OCD but thats Heresy

[snow scroll]

Here is a weird one. Path doesnt connect this direction

I just turned it on the copy house platform for a fix.

[shell fiber]

Oooh, I see !
I had understood it wrong, I thought it was preventing water from moving horizontally but that's the opposite, it's the wall that it horizontal, that's to prevent water from falling vertically from the floodgates voxel when it is set to zero

So basically that's the watertight floor script 😅

[radiant heart]

hope it gets fixed next episode!

[radiant heart]

Ooooo Fency !

[shell fiber]

super fency 🙂

[radiant heart]

i like the green bush on the gate, that's new right?

[shell fiber]

i also reverted the hedge to be just decorative visually,

nah, always been there

[radiant heart]

only did golden gate i guess that's why i never noticed

[shell fiber]

whelp, that will be it for today

GN !

[radiant heart]

GN!

[snow scroll]

oops! The number disparity is for paused hauling towers and mines for another 240 jobs...

[snow scroll]

50 odd water pumps, 40 odd farmhouses all marked highest priority. and I thought they chose to fly a trading balloon. It was the balloons shadow as I moved around the map😅

[shell fiber]

did you lose 99% of your population or something ? 😅

[radiant heart]

the great clean up has arrived !

[snow scroll]

Oh mais oui. A slight miscalculation on a stream guage. I wish i could say. pure neglegence on my part. sadly I have dropped back to 150 beavers a couople times since as well

[snow scroll]

I actually think a big part of the problem is not continually dispersing water tanks throughout after expansions. plenty of storage but poorly placed for all the buildingws as houses

[radiant heart]

i noticed that it's super cool to do a mountain of storage with large tanks in one zone but walking time is quite an issue later on and there is not really a stat about it, would be nice to have that in the stats

[snow scroll]

exactly

and putting a giant tank where it needs to be doesnt get it filled without serious prompting

[radiant heart]

once you have bots it's not that bad tho, they will dispatch between the gient back up storage and some pit/mediums spreaded over the map

with the amount they can carry it should go smoothly, didn't try it tho

[snow scroll]

the theory is correct yet any time I have had bot they seem to carry a nominal amount ofn their capacitye

even when pick upmand drop off have the numbers for an exchange

I think Eldgames pointwd itmout in an early WBO stream. I had the same experience

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thing is they pick what they can drop at the other end so it becomes a hot mess of prioritizing and actually not having too many hauling capacity or they just run all over the place carrying 1-2 items instead of huge chunks

biggest hold up IMO is at the bot district crossing, with the crossing limited to 30 of whatever you drop in there, bots don't get to use theyr full load ever

[shell fiber]

i think i fixed most buildings from the "wellbeing" folder

the color of the upside down statue is not right, but that's an easy fix

[radiant heart]

roofs shouldn't be placeable on ground tho 🤔

[shell fiber]

oh, good point

i didn't bother much with that tbh

i'll fix that

[radiant heart]

i kinda like it like that too tbh

[shell fiber]

anyway, probably running out of time for today, i'll test the other buildings later

[heavy lodge]

maybe, hidden stuffs, under ❓ 🤣

[radiant heart]

O yeah, that infinite storage, or the corpses of the dead ones ?

[heavy lodge]

What ? Cemetery ? ... But, hope not for stupid stucked beavers 🤣

[radiant heart]

Would be surious to see how many beavers died early U6exp due to unstuckify not beeing in, that's the kind of mod that creates bad habbits

[heavy lodge]

@stone halo, maybe you can add a counter to see how many time the unstuckify was triggered ?

[radiant heart]

lol, that would be a fun one to pop at the "end" right by the "exploded beavers"

[heavy lodge]

It is 😍

[radiant heart]

nice

[shell fiber]

is there a count of how many beavers have died and how when you complete a map ?

[heavy lodge]

Saddly, no #🐸experimental message

[abstract vector]

They are in base game

[radiant heart]

yeah but doesn't it feel wrong a bit?

[radiant heart]

there is an "exploded" beaver count

i guess there would be a way to have them all but the size of the save file would be ginamours at some point when you go for a long time

[shell fiber]

like with their names and everything ?
if it's just a number you can easily count trillions of deaths of all kinds

[radiant heart]

only number iirc

[shell fiber]

colors too saturated ?

[radiant heart]

yeah, a bit much

the pink one is ok

red and green could tone down a bit

could the pink one be another color tho? would make it easier to spot the med stuff lying around🤔

even the green now with all the greenery you added recently are a bit harder to find

like Blue / Yellow / Red ?

[shell fiber]

the central one is actually meant to be white / light grey, but it looks pink due to the dusk lighting

hmmm

[radiant heart]

still, that one was hard a lot to find back 😅

[shell fiber]

for the color i was thinking
red = burns
green = disease
white = injury

[radiant heart]

🤔

[shell fiber]

i can make a different color coding, instead of 3 different textures now it's only one and the 3d model adds the color

[radiant heart]

i get the idea, just would prefer them to contrast a bit more, when you start doing those it's nice to find them fast to see if they actually do something/get filled

[shell fiber]

Hmm 🤔 there's only do many colours that give a decent contrast 🤔

I guess blue is possible

[radiant heart]

have to check also if it looks totaly dumb too tho 😅

[shell fiber]

Well the green one is hard to find right ?

[radiant heart]

the white one is super hard

[shell fiber]

Oh

[radiant heart]

green i'm thinking with all the greenery you added in the past updates might be a bit harsh to find too but didn't have issues at that time

but iirc you don't end up with that much green around so maybe just swapping the white to a blue tone would do it

worst case i'll tell the complain department when i try the U6 version 🤣

got a bigger issue atm anyway, need to figure out a way to reach and tame those 2 without killing anyone 😅

[sullen cape]

I'd let people play how they want

[snow scroll]

And in the 13th cycle, 17TH cyc, 29TH...43RD Cy

And in the 80th cycl, the great pointer in the sky declared "there will be great industry"

[shell fiber]

That sure seems like one busy city 😍

[snow scroll]

thats just the upper corner heh

hovering over 1k. establishing clockwerk farming to try ruducing

[shell fiber]

One trick to know is that they can build diagonally in spaces that don't let gases through.

I also often use the small wall pump mods to make true airlocks if you choose to go with atmo suits instead

[snow scroll]

I was watching Francis John in the new frosty DLC. ONI is a gem

[shell fiber]

Quick question :

Does anyone really likes or use the 2x3 NOT triangle harvester house ?
It's meant to go on a dam to be stackable, but most of the time I end up just wishing it was a pit and ladder type of building rather than just a 2x3 house

(probably with two opposing doors for good measure)

Same goes for the lumberjack stackable house, although it has some value due to its 2x2 land footprint

An important detail is that as far as I know (change in U6 ?) vertical distance is not taken into account for the range of farms/lumberjacks/etc

[snow scroll]

I do Like that you left them in when you addsed the upgradables. they are options. It becomes a tetris min i game staking house/wall/dams. mo options is mo betta