Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

Pretty easy to do too

[radiant heart]

BTW, JC's moving on to 3.5.2 for next episode, poked him while you were Zzzzing 😉

( and after trying to boot it up with no kaboom)

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/age-humor-getting-older-quotes-aging-quotes-good-night-quotes-good-night-humor-gif-1500361326772395539

[shell fiber]

I think given how early game he is, there isn't much risk of kaboom

But I still need to figure out why the balloon platforms cause lag 🤔

[kindred gust]

I checkerboard my cut in the bramble fields. like early game and setting up pine to spread

[kindred gust]

As Requested. Nuttin under it. just against riverbank.

[radiant heart]

i do that early game too but late game when you have massive fields it's annoying having to checker board giant fields

[shell fiber]

eradicating brambles by accident is quite rare, what i do is set the whole area for cutting and there unmark a few brambles here and there to ensure there will always be some to repopulate

I'm watching JC's playthrough, and oooh, the pain 😅

[radiant heart]

is growth time buffed on the domesticated ones? ( since they get cut now)

[shell fiber]

yeah they grow in half a day or so

[shell fiber]

oh, i see, i found the issue

that will be for the next update

sorry in the meantime

[kindred gust]

awesomesauce.

a flipped lumberjack barn doesnt sem to want to accept farm

upgrades

[radiant heart]

didn't try to flip it but there is something with the upgrade that it doesn't like if the other building is on the side of the flat part

[kindred gust]

True. never had luck with the flat part. yet if the logger barn is on left side it wont take the saME UPGRADE IF BARN ON THE LEFT. THE FLAT PART AWAY FROM BUILDING TRYING TO CONNECT.

srry fat fingers and a hunt n peck typer

[radiant heart]

Gotcha, yeah the door of the upgrade doesn't line up

[kindred gust]

aha, couldnt figure the why. ty

[shell fiber]

It can flip ? 🤔

[kindred gust]

yessir, see above

[shell fiber]

I didn't plan for that but I guess why not after all, I'll see if I can make this one accept upgrade either case🤔

[radiant heart]

a 2 wide door would do the trick i suppose

those groung patches look a bit strange, is it really needed?

[radiant heart]

well, never tought i'd had that problem but i'm now lacking beds 🤣

[radiant heart]

GMO lab ain't that great for shrooms sadly, need to way overproduce at first so the press can get some for juicing purposes...

Not really sure how to make it better, even at 1 juice in the receipe the issue gonna remain the same just less demanding to kick start it i suppose

🤔

for now i'll rely on that 🤣

(40 growers) and that barely keeps up, like I'm finaly getting a sort of storage here and there

[radiant heart]

getting good tho, and didn't mess with the decorations ( except news board is up since i wanted to look it up)

[radiant heart]

still lacking some stuff but looks like 250~ish biobeavers and 100~ish bots is the bare minimum to do it all, assuming you don't need builders ( still got to get to the part where bots are beeing made but with the lifespan they have also don't need the bot maker running non-stop, probably lowering the amount of workers in the ENS gonna be the easiest way to control that)

[radiant heart]

(bot assembler can use bots, was that intended?)

[radiant heart]

that's on 12h workdays too and didn't care about pathing and all, jsut used the "plug and chug"

Do beavers making CPUs in the ENS have a shot at beeing contaminated since there is a science thing in there ( kinda like the librairy)?

[radiant heart]

sky fountain no giving "wet fur" ok with the "not cleaning" but the wetness?

[radiant heart]

How about CW Farms 2.0? like a 10x10 pawprint with a bigger internal storage? ( it's cool to build vertical but the walking time is becoming the main issue )

even dumber, would not have "The Claw" , would be a bot only thing🫣

[radiant heart]

dam that methane consumption....

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Not really I guess

[shell fiber]

Don't remember, but I think the ENS doesn't contaminate beavers

[shell fiber]

Oh completely forgot about that 😅

[shell fiber]

Uuuh, too much work

[radiant heart]

and it's not really needed anyway, realized you don't need that many CW farms as long as you can keep them suplied and have enough hauling going on to empty the stuff

[abstract vector]

What does contaminate beavers besides the bad water scooping station?

[shell fiber]

The other bad water pumps and the library. Possibly the ENS too but I'm not sure

[snow scroll]

What is a map favorite for Whitepaw playthroughs? Is there a goto map for 'mo betta' all around?

[abstract vector]

Search for maps that have preplaced lemon trees is my recommendation

[radiant heart]

waterfall is a nice "go to" that i like to revisit here and there

if you want a custom one gentle canyon is fun also

[radiant heart]

could you double check the ENS when you get a min plz 🥺 it's the only thing that would mess up "cheater town" otherwise it's mostly done

[sullen cape]

Lol the Ironteeth borrowed your treb ideas 😂

[radiant heart]

treb+balloon = gliders🤣

would be a nice wink if the IT trader had a visual change 😂

[shell fiber]

oh yeah it very much inflicts bad water contamination

[radiant heart]

that's a whole chain missing then, gonna prop up the pop a bit, will have to boost up the bamboo field but other then that...🤔

gonna finish JC's #06 and boot up cheater town to see how bad getting the decon line in gonna be

[shell fiber]

episode 6 is already out ?

oh because you have a subscription ?

[radiant heart]

yeah, i'm boosting, gonna be on in about 12h

not gonna spoil anything, it's a pretty good one !

[shell fiber]

oh damn, just killed a few duplicate texture folders, and already removed 60Mb from the mod size

now the big piece will be slowly hacking at all the other duplicates

basically i have the "timberborn V3 texture folder" which is providing most of the textures, but for a long time i couldn't be bothered with that (and also figured it didn't matter) and also used textures from whatever

i started to worry about the mod size at some point and tried to stick as much as possible to V3 and V4 textures, but cutting out V4 textures from the mod is definitely going to be a huge chore

i'll do them one by one i guess

sooo... if anyone sees some solid white texture somewhere it likely shouldn't be, it's likely a texture i forgot to replace.

(starting from the next update ofc)

[radiant heart]

k

[shell fiber]

hmm... i've plopped like 20 balloon pads but can't seem to see any performance drop... at least on my cpu

[radiant heart]

want latest udate on cheatertown?

it's "stable" except the decontamination line to make the bots

2 bottleneck atm
1- not enough bamboo to fill up the ice blocks but enough that it works
2-Methane, even wit the modules on the mines had to drop in ferm houses on it

tbh bamboo is not a real issue, just went a bit low on the field, gonna swap some pumpkins for bamboo and it's done

[shell fiber]

so you can't make enough methane with just the mines ?

oh to feed the balloons etc

[radiant heart]

nope ( 2 or 3 modules) need to recheck

[shell fiber]

but one big farm should be able to make plenty no ?

[radiant heart]

got only one big farm for pumpkins, and yes once it got kickstarted the field is too big

[shell fiber]

well some degree of farming is expected

but i gotta go !

see you later !

[radiant heart]

time to sleep anyway! Later👋

[abstract vector]

What do I need to get the map editor working? I have mapmakerplants and more plants mapeditor reader

[abstract vector]

Do I need to downgrade the game or disable other mods?

[radiant heart]

i think there is a conflict if you have the editor and the reader enabled at the same time

[radiant heart]

map maker doesn't work with WB on as a starter

[kindred gust]

I have two plugin folders. one with just map maker bepinex mod manager and timberapi, the other with map reader and all the mods i play with. map maker crashes when you place vegitation if the map reader is installed at the same time

[abstract vector]

[shell fiber]

Basically the "reader" is to play with the extra plants, and the other one is solely for the map editor, and they are incompatible with each other

Since most mods do nothing to the map editor, when you want to use it, it's best to have only the "more plants map editor" mod

[shell fiber]

I have the fix for that, will be out soon

[shell fiber]

updated the more plant reader mod

[heavy lodge]

What ? I never uninstall map_reader when working in editor with map_maker 😮 🤔

[snow scroll]

erm, where do I plug my shaft on the mechanical fluid pump?

[radiant heart]

both ends work

[radiant heart]

like the vanilla ones

[radiant heart]

lemons spread now?

[snow scroll]

hrm plugged and everything turning but the pump

[distant wigeon]

WB mech pumps work the same as vanilla mech pumps: Power must be inserted from the short side.

[snow scroll]

sweet. thanks. It may not be wide but at least its short.

[radiant heart]

sides, not front/back

[radiant heart]

or it works with the reader "on" while editing maps?

[snow scroll]

in early attempts I was unable to finish maps with both installed. now I just swap plugin folders out of habit and havent tried with both on

[radiant heart]

did that when i was juggling between U4 and ExpU5, don't want to bother anymore

[shell fiber]

Yeah

[shell fiber]

Didn't try tbh

Not recently

[radiant heart]

only thing i can complain ATM is ENs contaminating... CPUs are late game thing and at that point there should be no reason to get contaminated

first reason i brought up the aquifer pumping badwater

[past moon]

just getting started with the mod. how do I pick up the anvil from the starting thing? I can't find it as a category of stuff on either warehouse or pile

[radiant heart]

also the washing machine is soo cool it's kinda sad making it obselete😅

[radiant heart]

glorious storage

[past moon]

oh right thx

[shell fiber]

Well they still need some brain boosting to work on such complicated stuff 😉
And by the way bad shrooms / salts are not meant as a delicate way of saying "herbal supplement" 😅

[radiant heart]

build the district center first tho or it's game over

[past moon]

yeah that I gathered.

was watching the tutorial from before the glorious storage was added, I think

[radiant heart]

if anything goes wrong, just blame @shell fiber and enjoy the mod!

[shell fiber]

Ahah, yeah the tutorial is getting slight old

[past moon]

if anything goes wrong, enjoy
playing mods in a nutshell

[past moon]

ngl I'm struggling to figure out how to make proper reservoirs without access to floodgates

or how to manage badtides, for that matter. Do you just build houses upstream and then destroy them? that seems... inelegant

[snow scroll]

Houses are dams. :/

I usually do a slight delay on badtides in custom settings at new run creation. Cheaty, but more elegant

[past moon]

that much is clear, but I'm used to keeping riverbeds flooded in long droughts with upstream reservoirs and that's not an option until the apparently quite late gate floodgates. I guess you use the irrigation buildings instead?

[snow scroll]

house stacsks. screwpress stacks etc. make great retaining walls for resivoirs. if a lower part of said stack doesnt empty over a door, voila, resivoir

I can rush floodgates usually by cycle 12ish if that helps with timing a delay

[past moon]

yeah it's more the actually using the contents of the reservoir part which I was wondering about (besides pumping). ie releasing the water below to wall line you created, ie floodgates. but I guess pumping and irrigation towers is good enough?

[snow scroll]

And mechanical pump is cheap, only150sci and 200hph

[past moon]

ohh, that I had missed, that'd good

[snow scroll]

primitive dam upgrades bring dams to 1.5 height from .7 i believe

[snow scroll]

oh yeah, the lido uses the small fluid dump and drops nicely in a 2x4 hole.

[past moon]

any idea what I'm doing wrong with liquid storage house?
(tried in other spots too, path to 2nd floor entrance does not seem to help)

[snow scroll]

next update it will be fixed. thats version issue

[sullen cape]

Oh JC's reaction to the Beaver Jail is hilarious.

[sullen cape]

I'm pretty sure it's because it's a bridge and not a platform, you can see the house on the left connects becuase the mod modifies the vanilla bridges. But I don't know if the mod changes the accessiblility from the rest of the bridge

[snow scroll]

I think you are correct. i didnt look further than the liquid house

[past moon]

nah it didn't work on regular paths either, seems like a version issue. left connects because it's a regular 2 story house while the water storage house connects nowhere

[radiant heart]

yes, i tried a "cheater run" just for fun, no water source at all, aquifers for water and irrigation depending on what i want

[shell fiber]

There is no very tall floodgates so that's indeed impractical, but you can put a water cannon linked to a water gauge (if you have the floodgates trigger mod) and set it to refill an enclosed area automatically

[shell fiber]

It's currently defective, that's not your fault, that's mine 😣

[shell fiber]

Ah also yes

[abstract vector]

Any chance we can get bad water barriers for the water beavers @shell fiber ?

[shell fiber]

Likely not, the small irrigation tower can repell contamination, in terms of space usage it's more efficient anyway

[radiant heart]

noticed the shower tank is still there on cheater mode, does it work?
if yes why not keeping it in?
would be a nice option i think if you need to stay clean and don't wanna spend all the water the leaky bath needs 🤔

like if you got rss piled up and just need to stay clean during the drought/badtide and don't need the irrigation

[radiant heart]

there is a reason the "nickname" of the mod is "beaver hell" 😉

[shell fiber]

Well would anyone be using the leaky bath if there is the tank shower? I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to irritate with that anyway🤔
But maybe if I increase the water consumption of the shower it could be worth having both, that would mean you can either have permanent water consumption (bath) or per-shower consumption🤔

[sullen cape]

||maybe if you find a single spot on a cliff for the bath||

[sweet violet]

@shell fiber Hello, my game keeps crashing when trying to place Nuclear Stacks, any thoughts?

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Would need more details 🤔
Could you give a screenshot of your power plant just before placing it, and copy paste the log here?

[radiant heart]

back on U4 I used the bath(small irrigation tower) quite a bit, it sure is a huge water sucker but when earlyon you don't need massive fields to irrigate it got it's use.

I like the idea of the per-use consumption option can micromanage the bath to keep berries alive let's say but at the same time you don't have to micro-manage the "cleaning" with a few showers in

[sweet violet]

Here are my error logs and these 3 buildings when I select to place crashes my game. I completely wiped Timberborn, then fresh install. Then manually installed all mods, and only Water Beaver dependent mods. so everything's fresh. I'm running 3090 Xtreme, 5800X 3D, 32GB Vengeance 3600 MHZ, PCIE Gen4 NVME.

[radiant heart]

love the placement ( that's on waterfall right?)

[sweet violet]

Yessir, TY

[radiant heart]

will overflow when drought starts tho ( unless lapan changed the script of the reactors)

[sweet violet]

I'm able to place the Basic Reactor, but not the Steam Vent.

[sweet violet]

Yeah, I need to dynamite around the back to get the sides up, but it's good enough at the moment.

[radiant heart]

did you try rotating it? biult like 16 on my previous run and didn't have any issues but i know some stuff changed since that one

[sweet violet]

As soon as I click the button of the 3 circled above, my game crashes, not sure why.

[radiant heart]

that's weird, can post the crash repport in here too, some smart ppl will come to the rescue for sure ( it's like 4am for lapan atm so he won't reply for now)

[sweet violet]

The water is squeezing by just enough here so far though. I already dynamited a bit out.

[sweet violet]

I posted crash report above.

[radiant heart]

oups, i'm just blind, don't mind me 😅

[radiant heart]

that's because the reactors are not running, with 4 in there the water should not come out except when drought starts ( maybe?)

[sweet violet]

Good to know, this is my 1st time setting them up, thank god for Billboards and Discord! haha

Will they work in current configuration, I do they need the Vents?

[radiant heart]

the vent is where the power plug is, so it's kinda mandatory

usually when there is a major crash/bug like taht lapan gets on it quite fast if possible, just keep up on other projects and before you know it the fix should be out

[sweet violet]

Idk why, as soon as I click any of the 3 buttons, this pops on the command window immediately

[radiant heart]

someone smarter then me will sure find the issue, i got 0 clue what that means

[sweet violet]

You and me both! haha

[abstract vector]

Has anyone tried BeaverBuddies with this mod?

[radiant heart]

is that the one that lets you use buildings from the other factions?

[abstract vector]

Nah, multiplayer

[radiant heart]

never heard of anyone trying, would be nice if it worked tho but i'd guess not

[abstract vector]

Greedy builders is that one, and it's just its own faction that has both the vanilla ones

[radiant heart]

watching JC's last vid, that shower would shure have been helpfull 😅

[shell fiber]

I'd say there is a reasonable likelihood of it working just fine

Game assets and game system are very well separated, so I see no reason it wouldn't work

Does it also work with more normal mods? Like ladders, curly stairs etc.

[shell fiber]

found the bug !

[shell fiber]

also, good news : i found an efficient way to hunt down and murder duplicate textures and unnecessary crap that was loaded in the mod while no longer being of any use

basically i extract my own mod with asset ripper and see what nonsense has been dragged into it

[radiant heart]

so loading time chopped by a ton I suppose?

[shell fiber]

to be honest, i have no idea

but i suppose that will help with the amount of RAM the game gobbles up, so maybe ?

[radiant heart]

i guess if it doesn't have to load 400 out of 35 things when booting up the faction it should help 😅

[abstract vector]

Yes it does

[shell fiber]

of course i uploaded the update for that, also fixes the water storage house issue @past moon

[sharp flame]

Hm, I appear to have no water beavers to choose in my list

[radiant heart]

did you do manual download or with mod manager?

[sharp flame]

Manager

[radiant heart]

doucle check "timbercommons" to see if it's the latests version sometimes it messes up

[sharp flame]

OK

[radiant heart]

it's the usual suspect, but if it's not send me a screen cap of your pluggin folder and i'll double check the versions

[sharp flame]

Aight

Aha I also have a suspect

Or not, hm

https://gyazo.com/8a0cac87002b738ef6e727ca7f397a88

If any of those don't work with it, I'll remove 'em lmao

[radiant heart]

automation, decorative dams don't

might be some others, give me a sec

[sharp flame]

Aha

[radiant heart]

choo chho

[sharp flame]

Aight dropped those three

[radiant heart]

that's my folder things outside of of that could be an issue ( just need to diseable in mod manager)

[sharp flame]

Aha it was the balloons, I'd forgotten to activate them!

[radiant heart]

it's sad cauz choo choo used to work but i think it's since U5 something broke and there is no fix for it , maybe U6 got a nice surprise round the corner for us!

[sharp flame]

It is sad

OK, PEBKAC continues

https://gyazo.com/308f010b68fd65109faca6418a99b93b

[radiant heart]

sahre the error log and someone smater then me will probably find the problem 😝

[polar wind]

How to store antibiotics?

[radiant heart]

you can't unless you build more clinics

[polar wind]

And the beavers will consume it ?
Cuz I have 25 antibiotics all the time and clinic can't produce more cuz they don't consume it(?)

[radiant heart]

copy setting tool gives and error, not sure what that one is

[sharp flame]

Aha!

[radiant heart]

yes, and as soon as there is room the "docs" will refill it

[polar wind]

Okay

[radiant heart]

it's a good step forwards having clinics stacked up

GG!

always a pain in the *** on my runs

[sharp flame]

Aha, that seems to be it

[radiant heart]

now all I can say is GLHF and remember... 2beavers and a dream is enough to keep on trucking!

[sharp flame]

XD

[radiant heart]

let me know how long you lasted, just curious, and what was the bottleneck, i'm doing "cheaters runs" to test out the balance, any input is welcome

[sharp flame]

I will when I have time to give it a serious run

I just wanted to get it working so I don't have to spend time doing that and lose motivation

[shell fiber]

It cannot be stored anywhere, that's deliberate. 😉

[shell fiber]

Seems you have something broken in simple floodgates trigger, but that mod should work, probably the install is broken

Might work to remove it and reinstall

[sharp flame]

I did exactly that as part of troubleshooting and it worked

[shell fiber]

updated the map editor plant reader again

[snow scroll]

Heya Magic Slippa! Kudos! I am so amazed by the WBO mod. I csant count the times i chuckle and say "Fugin Awesome!" The new assets, the ones repurposed and sideways, the extent, the depth and thought that went in. Wowza!

Finally puttin in my first clockwork stack! heh, made it past ENS with less than 700 beavs even

There was an 'incident' badtide took me to seven. turned off everything but original pump farm and hauler pit n ladder and rebuilt.

I may have even, 'allegedly' abused some factors to stay home from work to play more.

more than once...

[dense urchin]

Why can't I access the game's main menu after installing my mod manager?

[arctic olive]

Is your game updated an newest version of mod manager ?

[sharp flame]

It amuses me that it adds some genuine danger even to 'stock' Timberborne

Beavers operating heavy machinery? They are in genuine danger

[radiant heart]

2 beavers and a dream 😉

[radiant heart]

that looks awesome

[snow scroll]

Thanks. Its been a blast. So many restarts. Finally realized my over building not only added population but "reserved" tons of goods needed elsewhere. Its still an issue. hehAnd Thankl you too! I know you have been "play testing" throughout! helpin us all enjoy it.

[radiant heart]

having a blast testing the new madness lapan brings out, always been a pleasure !

[shell fiber]

Thanks ! Glad you're enjoying it 😊

[shell fiber]

Please don't get fired 😅

[snow scroll]

inorite heh

[shell fiber]

Inorite ?

[distant wigeon]

"I Know Right?" but terribly misspelled.

[snow scroll]

correct. heh Tryin to fit in with the kids these days.

[shell fiber]

Me who was thinking of some kind of rock

[dense urchin]

Yes, I have updated to the latest version from the Steam , and the mod manager is from MOD.IO downloaded

[arctic olive]

If that's all the mods you use show some logs in #🚀mod-users, not quite related with water beavers. If you already installed waterbeavers and then it does not work you can post a log here

[dense urchin]

OK,THX

[shrewd horizon]

@shell fiber update 6 is supposed to bring wonders to the basic factions. Are you planning to add something similar to the water beavers? (of course, for me almost every building here is a small miracle of technology 😀)

[shell fiber]

well i already wanted to make a huge "okay you've won" building, so yes 🙂

what i want is players to make a big dam out of houses, so it's probably going to be a huge thing that wants to be half-submerged.

[shell fiber]

In the meantime

yeah it's far less of an eyesore like that

[distant wigeon]

That looks WAY BETTER. All it needs now is a little tweaking of the color to better match the game's water color, but beyond that, looks great!

[radiant heart]

nice!

[sullen cape]

The water colour is different because the cannon and water are highlighted but nice improvement! Though I found the squares funny and a reminder one person is making the mod

[delicate leaf]

Make some underwater aquarium then, make it req like 100k of science 😄

[snow scroll]

Got frustrated with the Nuclear Plant by not understanding what parts need to be submerged. I blew out the center where the pump was and My tower hated me for it.

Yet having played with so many new, late game, parts of the overhaul Im excited starting fresh. 5x5 hmm

I began with, "less generous" normal conditions and am reminded that my moniker, isn't! heh Damn Beavers, swear I fed ya at the beginning of the cycle...

[shell fiber]

Only the nuclear reactor (part 3) has a pipe that needs water or bad water. Don't remember what amount it requires though

[snow scroll]

my chimney read some kine not enough water error, i thought. kin prolly load a save...

[frosty ibex]

I am trying to build gears but I am unnable to find the building for it. Anyone may help me please ?

[snow scroll]

mechanics lodge. l\vanilla inventors hut

in the science tab

[sweet violet]

You're amazing, thank you!

[frosty ibex]

Thanks

[abstract vector]

A pinned message of best install practices may be a good idea

[shell fiber]

hmm... well it's already indicated in the mod description

[abstract vector]

I think I've helped 5 people this week on this discord to get the mod working, I get that people aren't good with following directions or even finding this thread, but 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

in this thread ?
not modding basics ?

[abstract vector]

Modding basics and I've been DMed after helping others

[distant wigeon]

Note that Lapan does not have the permissions to pin topics in this Discord - Pinning is, typically, strictly the purview of the mods and devs who run this joint. That said, Lapan CAN pin install instructions to the mod.io page, but the instructions are probably already there, and people just don't read.

[sullen cape]

I dare anyone to try RCE's season 8 map with the water beavers 😂 Maybe the jails would make it easier though

[heavy lodge]

Even if you manage to build a district center in a safe location, you cannot retrive in time all stuffs from broken cart 😭

[shell fiber]

hmm... actually it seems sort of doable, since all buildings are watertight, it might be possible to force the bad water away from the starting zone. and even though you don't have science, logstairs are available and 10 planks for the DC is not that expensive, then you just have to accept gettin a few beavers contaminated to retrive the red items

the difficulty is indeed that you need to get it all done within five days...

[heavy lodge]

is the eruption map. I have doubt that even you will manage to survive 🤣

[abstract vector]

If it was 10 or 15 days before it erupted it might be possible, but 5 days is kinda problematic

[heavy lodge]

with IT, I manage to move the district center witn o contaminated beavers, but with WB .... 🤔

[shell fiber]

when's the earliest drought in hard mode ? if it's before day 5 it might be actually easier 😅

[heavy lodge]

Nope, earlier drug is 6 days

And, for WB you must allocate the 5 day only to retrive the stuffs from broken cart, that let you with only 4 days.

[shell fiber]

you don't really need to retrive the items right away i think 🤔
actually i'm pretty sure you could manage with building your town directly across the river and keep the broken kart paused, using only builders from a small builder's lodge

[heavy lodge]

Better you take a look at the map : https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/eruption

[sullen cape]

I honestly think badtides are worse on that map, can't see any easy way to divert badwater 😂

[heavy lodge]

With dynamite at the back (a lot of blasting, that bad water source strength is insane) ....

[shell fiber]

hmm... it is also full of brambles

better not try to cut them

[shell fiber]

well there's just not enough trees 😑

at least not enough to rebuild a town center

and a forester, and stairs, and a water pump

and let's not even get started on fancy stuff like farms 😅

[distant wigeon]

So TL;DR: RCE's latest season is DOOMED???

[heavy lodge]

Nope, only on eruption map ... See above.

[shell fiber]

with the waterbeavers it would be very hard

i'm trying a few strategies

just realized the pit and ladder builder variants don't require tools when they should

or the small one should not require some

[shell fiber]

eh, the key was just to find more wood

in that top right corner there's a bunch of everblossoms, i think they contain 8 wood because they replace oaks

[sullen cape]

Doesn't look too bad?

Now in JC The Beard's latest video, I don't think showers or river baths consume water, but is that right?

The showers return the water they consume back to the river so there's no major loss I thought?

[shell fiber]

unless there's something hidden in the game in some weird manner, they don't actually consume water

[storm gulch]

That is very exciting news lol

[shell fiber]

cycle 3 day 2

overall it's not that hard, but the volcano overflowing in somewhat random direction means that something that seemed safe may actually not be. for exemple i removed my small farming/forestry operations next to the river, everything got contaminated during cycle 2

(please disregeard the grand 4 food i have in storage 😅)

[abstract vector]

I believe that was just the two water pumps up stream that he forgot about that was consuming the water

[sullen cape]

Oh I think the pumps he set as low priority so they don't pump water got beavers working in there anyway whoops. I personally just pause water pumps, sleeping under the stars is fun!

[sullen cape]

Green peas? I don't need them 😈

[shell fiber]

well you can have your beavers entirely live off cabbage if you want to, no one is going to call the police 😅

[abstract vector]

The super stew cracks me up with the amount of needs it fulfills

[radiant heart]

Good to be back home, so, what did i miss?

[sullen cape]

||Green peas are unnecessary || 😇

[snow scroll]

A delicate crop, too. dries out fast. I spam em to get the large farmhouse, and usually forget about em
o

[radiant heart]

i tried going for those directly and skip the cabbages, it works untill you need to make science, peas and rice apparently are a pretty good diet

and can keep them hydrated

[snow scroll]

@shell fiberyour Eruption screenshot got me to finally realize the irrigaation lodge can substitute a forester for upgrades... Guess I glossed over the building discription previously.

[radiant heart]

that was a super nice change recently

on top of all the "triangle" upgrades, options went nuts with that

[shell fiber]

But I didn't build the upgrade yet 😅

[radiant heart]

Hey Lapan! how you doing?

[shell fiber]

Hi !
Going fine, quite busy with work and the GF living with me now

[radiant heart]

( watching JC's stream i think the leaky bath might have an issue, didn't get to test it yet, still need to wrap up the trip result, probably won't be able to before the weekend)

[radiant heart]

LAdy Lapan! 😍 Hope you guys are enjoying it !

[shell fiber]

I didn't mod much recently, courtesy of nothing major being broken 😅

[shell fiber]

For now it's going fine, she's a bit of a cleaning maniac though, I'll need to change some of my habits to not annoy her 😅

[radiant heart]

it's a good habbit to take, feels better living in a clean space, been doing more cleaning ( and my GF too) past couple months and it pumps up the morale not living in a mess

[snow scroll]

@shell fiberyour layout was the nudge I needed to delve deeper.

[radiant heart]

can the lumber farm be placed on the left now? ( if not might wanna drop it in the description)

a clean version of that on a billboard would actually be helpfull i think

[shell fiber]

Oh right I forgot to check

But I made it flippable and in principle it should be able to support an upgrade either way

[radiant heart]

and upgrades are a bit scratered around, maybe a tab for triangle/tower upgrades to jam em up together ?

[radiant heart]

nope, door doesn't end up in the right spot ( unless you fixed that)

[shell fiber]

Yeah I definitely need to make a billboard for that

[shell fiber]

Should connect internally

[radiant heart]

another thing to check 😉

my WB list is dusty 🤣

[radiant heart]

worst case use my drawing for now and "soonTM" can get something better🫣

[shell fiber]

Ahah, nah that's fine, it's not difficult to do

The billboard mod is just kind of a pain to manage in general, it's very messy

[radiant heart]

and mine considers the "not flipable" lumberjack

[radiant heart]

GEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ

that's a brand new map loading.... tree replacement is getting bonkers

[shell fiber]

ahah, well the only thing left as original is the pines 😅

[snow scroll]

Does the pass through lodge forever stay flodded?

[kindred gust]

Winning!!

[shell fiber]

What do you mean ?

[kindred gust]

Even withnits fancy mechanisims the doors stay flooded when water on doorway

[radiant heart]

if water flows over the door, building = flooded

[kindred gust]

mkay. makes sense. I wanted to put a dam on them doubled up to make a deeper reservoir.

pass through, but not the underwater partheh

[radiant heart]

if you tetriss it to have the dam only over the "not door" part and another watertight building on the door voxel it can work

[shell fiber]

Well specifically for the pass through lodge the "true" door is in the middle voxels. But you're not supposed to have water go over your house in general, you can use your houses as a wall but the excess water needs to be diverted on the side, so using the terrain at your advantage is important.

[radiant heart]

ouch, that kinda ruins my plans 😅 at least i know now and didn't have to find it by myself 😂

[barren glade]

Did this mod break? 😅

[abstract vector]

I am having no problems with all mods updated. Make sure you have all the dependencies https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/water-beaver-overhaul <-

[shell fiber]

Downloading through the mod manager sometimes doesn't work, manual install is often better.
If it doesn't work post the logs here (the text from the black window) and we can figure out what's going on

Guess I'll make a clean install guide 😅

[sullen cape]

Huh, the traditional name goes back to some frog-eating tribe, interesting!

Um the fancy bath tower blueprints's name is swapped with the non-fancy version

Oh I didn't realise the scroll rack had a pillow 😅

[shell fiber]

that was long overdue

okay rigth, gotta check this lumberjack barn thing

then let's make that curse billboard

[radiant heart]

leaky bath is alright btw, but would prefer some showers ;P

the constant water draining is killing me slowly

2,5 days to go and 0 wetar in stock >< should survive but gonna be close

didn't you make the lemonade stand free of science? ( or i forgot yo update more crops)

[shell fiber]

don't know who would want that many jumberjacks, but at least you can upgrade

the entrance doesn't connect yet though

[shell fiber]

yep, did that

[shell fiber]

let me check

[radiant heart]

it's already there when you open cheater mode so i guess it just needs to be enabled

[shell fiber]

yeah i just unticked the devmod box

but i haven't remade the water particles

oh , right, i didn't finish the water cannons either

[radiant heart]

someone that needs "more" i suppose 😅

[arctic olive]

This is actually very cool

Does it function like a normal warehouse ?

[radiant heart]

it's the storage for sequoia logs/half logs

[arctic olive]

Yeah awesome, didn't you need to program a new visualizer for that

[shell fiber]

yeah it works fine

nah, it's just a specification file

you just input min and max position

then it goes up and down with the stored amount

it's basically a dirt pile actually 😅

[arctic olive]

It uses the dirt pile visualize xD

Idk how you pulled it off but gj I suppose

[shell fiber]

it's a custom mesh and custom texture of course, but it is fed into the system that is used to display dirt, in terms that i understand 😅

[arctic olive]

Good job

Lapan creating Timberborn 3.0

[shell fiber]

also fixed the water cannons

[radiant heart]

steam shower 🤣

[shell fiber]

yeah, kind of

eh

oh maybe i can make it less blue

[radiant heart]

doesn it need logs or coal to boil the water? 🤔

can you like lower the "density" ?

or like that it's quite funny too and it's only for weirdos so....

[heavy lodge]

Another decontamination for JC the Beard videos ? Steam decontamination one ? 😮 🤣

[shell fiber]

let's pretend it's an mist shower or something

[shell fiber]

i just realized that the farm upgrade, hauling upgrade and builder's upgrade and nerdy attic look pretty much the same 😐

[radiant heart]

don't stress about it, some day you'll have a light bulb on how to make them diffrent and cool 😉

[shell fiber]

well, that said, i'm not sure many people use them, since there is plenty of hauling and builder in the pit and ladder lodges

but it would be nice to have them being visually different

[radiant heart]

i hoard my science for the large famr instead of getting the upgrade normaly

the one i'm really using a lot is the nerdy attic

[shell fiber]

i could just slap the old wooden roof texure that fits the model, but i think it's ugly

[radiant heart]

the green one from the harvester shack could work nicely i think on the assistant farmer

[shell fiber]

that's a pettry good idea, but i think it's better to maintain the color coding green = harvester

golden = farm

and branches = lumberjack

[radiant heart]

well, the assistant is "harvesting" crops from the farms 😝

Scienceless run, cycle 6, hard mode! quite happy with there i'm at right now

basicaly NOT destroying the kart untill ican survive a 30 day drought/badtide

if i make it there

😅

[shell fiber]

that seems a bit difficult, but maybe if you can build a dam of sorts

i don't see how you could pump in 6 days enough to last 30, so holding up some water seems necessary

don't know how to deal with 70% chance of badtide though

[radiant heart]

still need to figure out where to do the reservoir but it can't be super high or there will be a lot of "cheating" involved to use houses as platforms to go up

atm i'm just ruching to save as much lemon places as i can

[shell fiber]

yeah that's true

[shell fiber]

updating the billboard mod, feedback welcome 🙂

[radiant heart]

slowly contemplating my near death experience ! will update right after

[shell fiber]

i'm watching RCE's video now, you're probably faring better 🤣

[heavy lodge]

Not a video, it's a screaming pain 🤣

[radiant heart]

had to emergency pause all my mush growers to get the water back

[radiant heart]

is WB also updated?

[shell fiber]

not yet

[radiant heart]

think i'll need those showers sooner then i tought 🫣

[shell fiber]

oh, ahah

well you can place them through devmode right ?

they'll be there soon

[radiant heart]

yeah. gonna give it a try when water returns

190 left with 2 days to go, will live to see another cycle!

[shell fiber]

was there anything that required attention ? i fixed the small storage mod picture, the billboards, the water cannons, the lemons, the half log displaly...

i'm running out of things floating at the back of by head🤔

[radiant heart]

less lemon in the lemonade receipe? 😝

[shell fiber]

probably should go to bed though

[radiant heart]

GN

[shell fiber]

is it really that expensive ?

[radiant heart]

6 lemon to 10 water, that's almost lemon juice

[shell fiber]

didn't really run any math, just 6 lemons for +3 drinks seemed fine

ah

hmm

well true

oh right, there was a text entry error i saw in JC's video

anyway, sleep time

[kindred gust]

I believe I originally was trying to put the farm upgrades (farm hauler) on the lumber barn (flipped in my setup for some "essential" reason heh) and harvesters cottage...

what if... a haulers tower was also an upgrade for, mechanic (a yet unchanged asset) and a 2x2 roof piece...

Oh, Is it possible one of the balloon trader corner lodges blocks water even when on crappy platforms? will try post screens when Im not sposed to be working already😏

[abstract vector]

I use them plenty, I tend to have too many beavers without jobs otherwise

[radiant heart]

it's a basic game mechanic, can't put watertight over non-watertight. Back in U3 I think there was a watertight platform you can pu over a waterwhell... i'll let you imagine the mess....

[kindred gust]

I didnt think the balloon trader is supposed to be watertight. i hope not...

[shell fiber]

Things that look blocky enough to look like it could block water are generally watertight, and the two lodges at the base of the balloon trader fit that do that can block water (that makes quite a crappy and inconvenient dam piece admittedly)
Then as redneck said, the way the game handles water makes it mandatory for watertight thing to always only be on top of watertight things

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Well then that would imply that the architect also had something equivalent and the model doesn't fit either, and I'm fine keeping that stuff only for the farmhouse and other field workers whose houses are not very stackable.

but mostly designing a building from scratch is a huge pain, especially if you factor in fitting nicely with the upgrades, so I don't think I'll change those 😓

[kindred gust]

Im daydreaming with no Idea of how things happen behind the lapanmagic curtain. thanks for explaining.

[radiant heart]

architech already have theyr iwn thing, they can be walked on to go higher 😛

[radiant heart]

also, let's just take the forester or irrigation tower, change the vertical shat for a resized wind turbine on top of the mechanics and Badaboom badabing, no "design from scratch"

[shell fiber]

i'm increasing the storage ability of the advanced sawmill because with a storage size of 2 reciepes, i feel like 90% of the time is spend taking stuff in and out, with more space i hope it will give more time for haulers to haul while sawers saw.

[shell fiber]

i'd like some feedback on the cost of the nuclear power plant, i've been trying to build one for quite a few cycles i feel but the 500 metal blocks is just too expensive, i don't see any progress being made if i'm also building some other stuff at the moment.

but i think i finished most things that need metal, let's see if it actually gets done

oh, nevermind maybe, my foundry was making glass instead of steel

[shell fiber]

hmm...yeah it's slowly creeping up, still pretty slow though. for now i have 3 coal drills and one iron drill

[shell fiber]

my first legit nuclear power plant 😍

[shell fiber]

whelp, time to build a second ENS because i need so many diplomas

still waiting for my second nuclear phisicist, and then i want 2-4 roboticians

[shell fiber]

updated the mod btw

[shell fiber]

hm... i'm starting to see why some wanted the assembly line to make pencils...

[radiant heart]

i had like 8-10 factories up and 8 giga drills when i did my nuclear power plant so... yeah it didn't seem that bad but...

and 2 or 3 builders tower + ? tower lodge builder

[kindred gust]

Only time I got there I was pinballing around the techtree and had massive stockpiles before focusing on it, AND I was runningg 24day cycles. Im not allowed an opinion😏

[kindred gust]

And plants mod again! I still get confused in Mod manager as to the plant mods. took a bit to find the editor. its a naming thing I think. Can they be called (w/o mucking up everything) MorePlants Map Maker, MorePlants Map reader?... my two cents

[shell fiber]

The map editor mod is only for making maps, the reader is for playing

[shell fiber]

I think making your beavers work 24h a day is not very good, they end up dropping on the floor from sleep deprivation and that's a very inefficient sleep refilling method

[kindred gust]

I understand. I have been playing my own Maps the whole time. I used to give it all awy, now I like one live Baobab and some lemon trees. Another fun Mod! TY!

no no, I tend toward 17hr days. but 24 day cycles in my Temerate season. definatly CHEAT mode...

[shell fiber]

From my testing I think it would be more interesting to make things cheaper but increasing the science cost, since at some point you can just stop caring about the library and still end up with 10k science

[kindred gust]

That some point is pretty deep though... clinic, trader, trebuchet, exploration...

dont deprecate the beaver washing machine...

It sets the feel for the Whitepaws I think

[shell fiber]

Ah I see !
Nah that's fine if you ask me, the difficult part is how long the droughts are, not how frequent they are

[shell fiber]

That one is not going to be removed 😉

[kindred gust]

maybe unlock it from a blueprint though. its usually trhe last one I end up researching but it is very desirable to watch in action.

[shell fiber]

Nah it depends on people and the maps, some people will want to research it first, some people will prioritize other things, I'm overall pretty happy about the whole system, the only thing that might change in that tech level is the giant buried tank

[kindred gust]

oh good! i must be misremembering a conversation I saw

Billboaed Icons look Great

[shell fiber]

The part of the mod that I'm adjusting now is the late game, basically anything that gets unlocked through the ENS (diplomas and giant half logs)

Right now many thing just cost too much

[kindred gust]

ties in super well with existing.

Perhaps. Late game the juggle has moved from the shear volume of items to maintaining and smoothing logistics

the storage sizes of the late game piles and warehouses seem in line

[shell fiber]

Hmm... True, that's a fair point. Without any ens diploma we can solve food, water and badtides, need to check if we can also solve medical issues 🤔

Which means it's not crazy to have the next challenge be mass production,🤔

[kindred gust]

clinic now in Library! Balm and blue essense can, its just prioritizing them over everything else wanted

erm pollution resistrence factor, not blue essence

Blue essence is still just Balloon traser, not ens

[kindred gust]

I thought it was 😏

Because with the mass production comes massive population boom and restarts the food and water cycle

[shell fiber]

The nursing license can be made in the library, but I need to double check the requirements for the medication, some of them need awkward stuff

[kindred gust]

ice cubes about the most far out

[radiant heart]

that's a long way down

[radiant heart]

12h days is my target once you get a few fun stuff to do

[shell fiber]

I think the main bottleneck is metal block production, even with 3 factories working on that everything is really slow.

[kindred gust]

Perhaps add a recipe to the foundry

[kindred gust]

I think my highest Well Being is only 53... I need to give it more attention

[shell fiber]

Did that at some point, problem is that a direct ore to metal block recipe makes things awkward since you still need scraps for sawblades and fixtures etc.

[shell fiber]

I think I'm at 60 something🤔

Trying to get bots

[radiant heart]

build more , you know that's how it works 😛

[kindred gust]

Heh. Ya, my biggest bottleneck seems to be my impatience. So many shinys. I want em so I Zerg it and then starve...

[radiant heart]

lol, impatience and WB don't make a good match

[abstract vector]

I just restarted so many times because I didn't plan far enough ahead

[radiant heart]

it's part of it 😅

[kindred gust]

and then restarted again because after better planning, opened up more tech and realized I didnt know how to plan this far ahead

Like turning the built in paths on the court to the inside so a mega platform will align much later

Like building large piles with a + path between so much later can further stack gargatuan storage.

like leaving a 5x5 in the middle of storage stacks for a hauler tower

[radiant heart]

or don't plan to much and do some delete and rebuild when you are getting the better stuff

[kindred gust]

Messy beavers. rubble erywhere

[radiant heart]

the rubble pick up sure becomes a hot mess at some point

[abstract vector]

I think I just got 100 year old beavers for the first time 54 happiness or so

[shell fiber]

Sometimes I raze entire blobs of buildings that had grown organically just to remake them in a cleaner, more sensible way 😅
Lack of planning if fine, no need to restart entirely😉

[shell fiber]

Yeah, at this point I honestly would like to have a buildings employing beavers whose only job is go pick up rubble and store it in their building like a farmhouse

[shell fiber]

It's there an achievement for that 😅?

[shell fiber]

Prioritizing the rubble can help but not when you're at saturation

[kindred gust]

Mass production. Its kinda intimidating when you are struggling to get the tar for a floodgate and you look ahead to see 700 tar for one building...

I was very excited when i no longer needed tar for the assistant farmer!

[shell fiber]

What building was that ? Nuclear power plant ?

[kindred gust]

yes.

In my play through it seemed reasonable. i even tore it down and rebuilt

[nova crescent]

Hi Where to connect the power in Abyssal Ore Excavation Drill?

Never mind got it It's an attachment to elevator building.
@shell fiber One suggestion would be can you please mention this in description of the building.

[radiant heart]

problem is if you prioritize the rubbles nothings gets built

[radiant heart]

flooded ?

[sullen cape]

Might be a weird water level or something?

Especially as the other two aren't flooded I think?

[kindred gust]

Kudos @shell fiber The new buttons in the medium mine are far superior to the drop down list.

Its a fun game within the overhaul to try notice the changes made. heh

[shell fiber]

I thought it was already made clear somewhere else, I'll check

[shell fiber]

Should not happen like that🤔

Do they flood in regular water ?

[radiant heart]

it's "composite water" don't reallly have a good spot in clean water to test it out

[abstract vector]

At 1500 beavers I am just locked at 1fps

I should try playing it on my gaming PC rather than my mini PC and see if it makes a difference

[radiant heart]

that's about twice the pop you need to do everything, can start and cut down on useless eaters 😉

no one is filling it up, 5,5k water available, ppl in the pumps and haulers too... 🤔

[abstract vector]

At this point I wanna see how far it goes though

[radiant heart]

went up to 1,6~1,7k pop and started making bots and reducing pop

[kindred gust]

What is "haul candidate" and "Modify Inventory" buttons?

[radiant heart]

stats stuff in "cheater mode"

[kindred gust]

under the hood! cool! dev mode?

[shell fiber]

I think my computer is pretty good and I'm losing frame rates at 800 beavers. I think reaching 1000 is fine but going above that seems ill advised 😅

[shell fiber]

Prioritize by haulers?

And can you show current values for the delivery jobs ?

[radiant heart]

got a few things to get done first but i'll get back to you on that one

[heavy lodge]

OH, no 😮 I lost my voice yelling while watching the video 😱 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU5-5zo5Tc4

[sullen cape]

Oh nooooooo

[radiant heart]

tht was a fun one, quite surprised how easily he got over it

[abstract vector]

Could the mechanized cooking house be flippable so you could stack them?

[radiant heart]

you can already stack them, chimneys don't block another on top

[abstract vector]

Oh lol, I guess I just never tried, just assumed

[radiant heart]

Hey Lapan, 2 questions:
1-can you play with the contamination lvl of the water for showers and baths? cauz it looks like it has to be quite above 50
2- could the bath still work in 2 deep water? would be nice to have the option to toss it in the lotus farm, would feel even more relaxing for our little albinos friends 😉

[radiant heart]

it wasn't always like that but somewhere in 3.4 versions lapan found a way to make those stackable, it was a happy day in pinkertown

[kindred gust]

A Rubble Plucker Scavenger Shed. Same footprint as Tapper. Auto prioritizes Rubble Pluckin for a great Distance

Houses three and employs four+

"Assigns clean up Tasks" for up to 8 starts with 3 /8

[shell fiber]

3.3 and it's not getting deliveries ? Do you have a million other things being prioritized and only one hauler ? 😅

[shell fiber]

1 is hard coded I think, and 2 seems a bit weird to me, you can just make a 1-deep cutout to place your bath 😉

[shell fiber]

Didn't watch it yet, but I'm afraid of the title

[shell fiber]

If a rubble picker script existed, I would likely do something like that. But that would maybe be a stackable square house rather than a triangle roof building 🤔

[kindred gust]

I just like throwing farmer haulers and nerdy attics on tappers and gatherer type combos

[sullen cape]

Watching this I was more concerned about the brambles. I don't have enough berries on Helix mountain so I use the florist, but that would have been painful arrgh 😫

[radiant heart]

it got some delivered at 3,3 just had to be patient i guess, problem is now beavers priorityse the shower if it's closer then the baths so i waste water when not in drought/badtide🤔 guess i can only micromanage it at that point i don't see a real way around except dropping the showers at the other end of the map

[radiant heart]

No2, there is no "cutout" happening, i'm not destroying my kart... made me think about something tho.

How about having the nerdy attic be a shitty tier 0 science thing? would give another option beside "rush for district center" still would have a lot of stuff locked behind destroying the kart but could give some QoL stuff like normal stairs ( even tho they don't look as nice as the logstairs😉 ) accessible a bit bit sooner

[shell fiber]

Nah if I give any way to get science without razing the broken kart that's going to throw the entire progression route through the window 😥

Plus I'll be sure to have idiots thinking that's how your should get science and then being completely confused about everything 😅

[radiant heart]

that's what i tought but without the anvil and chemistry set there is still not that much stuff that can be done, or i completely overlooked something🤔

roughly, the thing that made me think about this is having a "safe pool" to grow rice is now hardlocked behind science since canon and lidos are blocked. and isn't rice supposed to be a "early game food" ?

[radiant heart]

and the chauldron, no paper too

[shell fiber]

Doesn't have to be safe 😉

[radiant heart]

it can't even grow fast enough 😔

(you know, weirdos playing hard mode 😝 )

other idea I had was changing the leaky bath for something that actually leaks water ( kinda like a water dump) but would make the lido/water dump pointless so i guess it's not an option

[shell fiber]

Yeah, and it's also a different functionality that wouldn't work as an attraction very well

[radiant heart]

the easy thing would be having the canon not locked but iirc there was a good reason for locking it back

[radiant heart]

Little QoL thing, could it be possible to have a "prioritize rss" on the flags, kinda like the way there is one on the farms. Like that could prevent lumberjacks getting stuck on brambles forever while running out of logs

[radiant heart]

Well, fun fact, with contaminated not eating or drinking, it's actually almost better to get them to have a swim in badwater when running low on food/water 🤣

[snow scroll]

Watching JCs last episode made me think of that...

[radiant heart]

it's actually what saved his ass i think, ( also save mine on my last badtide!)

there is no way my run should still be alive but yet it is! 🫣

[snow scroll]

thats abuncha contaminated jails.. lotsa planks, early...

[radiant heart]

with the sawmill up for how long it's been on his run planks shouldn't be an issue

(plus didn't even scavenge the planks from the ruins around the map)

[snow scroll]

An early sawmill and the logs to feed it can jumpstart a run

[radiant heart]

i've always been on the "get more gnawing station" side and don't make a building that require housing if you don't have to

[snow scroll]

pit and ladder dam foundations do have plenty housing

[radiant heart]

starting a huge tower to cut out the pink detour... beavers need almost 2 days to go all the way up and down, not super efficient

(yeah, same map as JC)

[snow scroll]

I still havent played Lemon Canyon. I loaded it up and shrieked Too Messy! I didnt know where to start.

it might help me contain myself though. I get quite the sprall chasing river with farms

[radiant heart]

it's not that hard of a map, just inconvinient

[shell fiber]

I haven't tested it extensively and I think there's a few things that aren't as intended, but maybe I'll just make an other map instead with a similar game plan but less inconvenient

[shell fiber]

I see someone is cheating with paused houses 😉😉

[radiant heart]

they are not paused, just the acces path is not done yet 😉

paused stuff is lumberjack flags or irrigation towers i don't need atm

[shell fiber]

Oh that changes everything 😄

[radiant heart]

probably will never be done tho 🤣

not sure where i messed up on immigration policies but i got 1/3 beaver homeless

[radiant heart]

give me a break too plz, hard mode and not destroying the kart... 🫣 you know those weirdos 🤣

btw, lemonade is prime survival stuff, since they don't overdrink it reserve stays up and by the time they are thirsty enough to die the lemon buff went out so they will have a sip !

still think receipe is a tad harsh lemonwise but wouldn't want to lose it 😉

[snow scroll]

Game plan being? Damn, thats Big!? Dam that is big.

[radiant heart]

biggest question atm is the -1 source near the lemons, why? not like it would drain the badtide from above.

[shell fiber]

That's to prevent people from using the lemon grove as a water reservoir, but I'll rework that part too

[sullen cape]

ModsModsModsModsModsModsModsMods!

[radiant heart]

with 1 wide canal it would be a pretty shitty reservoir IMO tho🤣

[shell fiber]

welp, time to try the new modding thing i guess 😅

[snow scroll]

Yer gonna be busy... good thing you were content with the state of it!

and, definately metal blocks. giant tanks an ENS and a sawmill evaporated all I had

[radiant heart]

gonna look that up for sure, wonder how big it will be effective for making new factions🤔

But for the time beeing i'm busy with my weirdo run😝

[woeful sun]

nit localization for Mild disease. vs Mild disease (remove the period at the end of the text)

Same for Minor burn.

[shell fiber]

Doesn't seem it will change much

[shell fiber]

dear god today's JC's stream might be the end of it 😅
kind of my fault in a way, i think 🤐

[heavy lodge]

2nd in a row. It's a record breaking 🤣

[sullen cape]

Goodluck JC!

[heavy lodge]

Hard to work if half of beavers are jailed 😱

[woeful sun]

I just finished the latest episode -- omg, poor JC

That map is just evil

[storm gulch]

I should really read this channel more

I've got to remember to have timber trees open during video recording

Somehow it always slips my mind

[storm gulch]

I think I can save the playthrough, but the majority of the beavers are probably going to die. Next episode is going to need to focus heavily on damage control and abandoning everything that isn't building water and food storage on higher ground. But we'll see what happens when I go to record it, probably Monday or Tuesday

[shell fiber]

i think that's an option too, put together a small district in a safe place with some supplies, save a handfull of beaver and leave the rest to their fate 😅

but thanks to you i could update the map, it will hopefully be less evil

[sullen cape]

I learnt about the 2.2cms limit from Jcheung actually.

I think JC should dynamite the following two tiles to allow more waterfall water:

But I'm not 100% sure just yet

[sullen cape]

Nononononono not where it's currently been placed nooo

[shell fiber]

Yep seems correct, but probably not sufficient

[sullen cape]

Yeah with two dynamite it would add one more waterfall for the water to flow off. Note one red X is adjacent to the higher level and the other red x is adjacent to the lower level of land.

[shell fiber]

testing maps is hell

i'm at version 1.0.7 and now i have to restart again...

[gleaming tree]

i have found that by opening the river at points i noticed water "piling up" at narrow point really helped out my through flow and reduced the over flow. also helped i got dynomite up at the same time

[snow scroll]

As often as I restart I should be better at it🙃

[blazing raptor]

@shell fiber there's no way to manually download the mod, and then have it updated via mod manager?

[radiant heart]

the mod won't update via mod manager, need to delete the folder in the pluggins and reload it

[blazing raptor]

Yeah, that's what I discovered 😦

[radiant heart]

i load it via mod manager, just have to be patient a bit since it's an heavy one

[snow scroll]

i use mod manager, but uninstall the Overhaul and wait for it to finish installing on updates.

[gleaming tree]

i still need to finish e 13 of jc the beard

[radiant heart]

You can save it for sure, i kinda follow you on a dumb ass run ( hard mode and not destroying the kart) on that same map. Still 2-3 cycles behind tho, not much time to play

[sullen cape]

Heh that's even more limiting, no anvils?

[snow scroll]

no science, no paper...

[radiant heart]

nothing at all, tought it would be worst tho

if it was on normal the thing would be done and stable already. the irrigation tower is quite powerfull

[storm gulch]

Oh boy!

I think I broke the game

v0.5.9.1-33dabbc-sw
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
IgorZ.TimberCommons.IrrigationSystem.IrrigationTower.GetTiles (System.Single range, System.Boolean skipChecks) (at <350a27c150bc4726bba4539ab3d1e724>:0)
IgorZ.TimberCommons.IrrigationSystem.IrrigationTower.UpdateState () (at <350a27c150bc4726bba4539ab3d1e724>:0)
IgorZ.TimberCommons.IrrigationSystem.IrrigationTower.OnBlockedStateChanged` (System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) (at <350a27c150bc4726bba4539ab3d1e724>:0)
Timberborn.BuildingsBlocking.BlockableBuilding.Block (System.Object blocker) (at <e0874c5cde1b46c696abf4320403051c>:0)
Timberborn.WaterBuildings.BlockableFloodableBuilding.BlockBuilding () (at <689e04e1d1c74fa9b2f22ae7eb00267b>:0)
Timberborn.WaterBuildings.BlockableFloodableBuilding.OnFlooded (System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) (at <689e04e1d1c74fa9b2f22ae7eb00267b>:0)
Timberborn.WaterBuildings.FloodableBuilding.Flood () (at <689e04e1d1c74fa9b2f22ae7eb00267b>:0)
Timberborn.WaterBuildings.FloodableBuilding.UpdateFloodedState () (at <689e04e1d1c74fa9b2f22ae7eb00267b>:0)
Timberborn.WaterBuildings.FloodableBuilding.OnWaterAboveBaseChanged (System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) (at <689e04e1d1c74fa9b2f22ae7eb00267b>:0)
Timberborn.WaterObjects.WaterObject.UpdateWaterAboveBase (System.Int32 currentWaterAboveBase) (at <bff234c6de654912b482a94ee7974a2a>:0)
Timberborn.WaterObjects.WaterObject.InitializeEntity () (at <bff234c6de654912b482a94ee7974a2a>:0)
Timberborn.EntitySystem.EntityComponent.Initialize () (at <0150238a89c74c4c859f6e876dca95ca>:0)
Timberborn.Persistence.WorldEntitiesLoader.InitializeEntities (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable`1[T] entitySaves) (at <48bd5174d8034d21b9013e040f36d9a0>:0)
Timberborn.Persistence.WorldEntitiesLoader.LoadNonSingletons () (at <48bd5174d8034d21b9013e040f36d9a0>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadNonSingletons () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.DMD<Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService::LoadAll>(Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter.Start () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)

Sidenote, discord code block formatting can kiss my ass

I don't speak code very well, but the terminology in this wall of text seems to suggest it can't parse flooded building state correctly and is refusing to let the save load because of it

Have confirmed that the last manual save prior to this one does load

Buuuuut that's an entire episode (~1.5 hours) worth of progress behind and I'd really like not to lose that much

No autosaves since that manual save will load

[sullen cape]

I think it's somehthing called a "Null Pointer Exception" according to stack overflow which redirects me there anyway. I'm having a look in my save to see how hard it is to delete the towers manually. I need something to format the JSON data better though 😂

[kindred gust]

agreed,small radius keeps it in check i think

[kindred gust]

@storm gulchDid you update the mod? could it be as easy as reverting to the version you were using?

[storm gulch]

This originally happened with zero changes to the mod folder, so I updated everything I could and that still didn't fix anything

Previous save worked just fine with either version

But the current one is broken

[kindred gust]

Sorry, I dont speak code either...

if you need to rerecord you are welcome to blame me.

heh"probably shouldnt have taken advice from someone called Perpetual Newb."

Even without the metrics, Im glad you are doing a full play. I enjoy your content

[radiant heart]

maybe if you just go back 1-2 auto-save prior it would still load and not lose you 1,5h

[shell fiber]

hmm... never seen this one, might be worth showing it to igor who did the irrigation tower system.

@storm gulch do you still have your most recent save ? if it's only to fix your file i can make a specific version that removes irrigation towers, then you should be able to load, save properly, then revert to the normal version.

i'll see if i can replicate the bug, it seems to have to do with irrigation tower being flooded.

[shell fiber]

yep, just managed to replicate that

flooded irrigation tower = kaboom on loading

but that means i should be able to slap together something to save your save file

[radiant heart]

probably the leaky bath that are flooded on his save, iirc the irrigation towers were not in deep enough to be flooded

[shell fiber]

hmm

good point

i had a couple neurons screaming something about that but i didn't listen

let's test a few things

[shell fiber]

found a fix

testing it...

and yes, flooded leaky baths also cause the crash

[radiant heart]

too bad he didn't remove those long ago, they are kinda pointless now anywya where he's at

[shell fiber]

well it's a pointless building that only exist for that one weirdo who keeps trying to play on hard mode soo....😅

okay, making the irrigation biulding flood-tolerant seems to do the trick, let's roll with that until Igor works his magic

3.5.5 is up !

[radiant heart]

anything major in there? (except fixing JC's save)

[shell fiber]

absolutely nothing except that fix i think 😅

[storm gulch]

It worked!!!

Thank you thank you thank you

So now the suffering can continue as scheduled

[radiant heart]

that's gonna be entertaining for sure 😅

[heavy lodge]

Entertainment ? I lost my voice yelling in the last 2 videos 😮

[radiant heart]

lol, same but still it's fun!

[sullen cape]

Oh I don't think you're dead yet. The farms up the top look okay to me (well water tank access might be a problem but)

[heavy lodge]

Fun was the first episode with Jail and Beaver washing machine 🤣

[storm gulch]

Water tank access will absolutely be a problem. Probably going to have to build some new ones up on that bluff and then demolish the ones down low so that the beavers can gather the "water rubble" and bring it up there

[radiant heart]

set the bottom ones to empty, then all beavers will help move the water around, rubble is only picked up by builders, will take forever 😉

[storm gulch]

If the tanks downstairs are flooded, aren't they unable to get items from them?

[radiant heart]

they can't put stuff in them that i'm sure, probably can't drink but pretty sure they can still get the stuff and move it

worth a try at least before deleting, will save a bunch of labor hours

[sullen cape]

Well you'll wanna build a house behind the factory to sto the flooding, and then make some dynamite to help with the 2.2cms waterfall flow limit I think 🙂
Night night!

[radiant heart]

just tossing in a levee in the 1 wide channel that was dynamited should solve the flood quickly

[shell fiber]

I think that's the fastest solution indeed

[sullen cape]

Maybe, levees are much more expensive than houses I thought, so many more builder round trips

[radiant heart]

think only 1h20 max for the boosters!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/hype-gif-25972342

[shell fiber]

Yeah, of her has some science to spare a tall and narrow lodge would solve it

[radiant heart]

"science" ??? it's a sin, luxury are not aloud 😝

[radiant heart]

with the builders houses they carry quite a bunch more, it's not that bad

[sullen cape]

...yeah I haven't built one of those yet clearly 😅

[abstract vector]

If only there was a tall narrow lodge that has the door on the top block

[storm gulch]

Just finished recording, it should be live for the boosters inside of 2 hours

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber this, no reason not to and should be simple since the narrow one already exist. can the flip option change the door from ground to 2nd lvl?

[radiant heart]

still not getting used to Daylight time saving 😝 was an hour off🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

Flipping definitely doesn't do that 😅

[shell fiber]

I could but for 99% of all situations I'm pretty sure it would never be used and just clutter the build menu 🤔

[scarlet pelican]

You've found a bug! Thanks for that. Btw, the fix preview is already available.

[storm gulch]

Thanks very much for taking care of it, I appreciate your hard work 😎

[scarlet pelican]

Players excitement is the best gratitude 🙂

[radiant heart]

that's what i tought but who knows what kind of dark magic you could have popped out 😉

[abstract vector]

Wonder if you can add a vertical flip too instead of just horizontal flip to declutter the menus

Probably need a whole mod for that

[radiant heart]

Might be something in the old "flip building mod" that could be reused for that but got 0 idea on the "how to"

[heavy lodge]

What is this : https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/erosion1 ? Is possible to play with WB on it ? 🤔

[radiant heart]

Looks possible but quite a rough start, don't forget WBs have the 1 and 2 long brides available so expending would not be that bad as soon as you can make planks

[heavy lodge]

YA, but water flow is a mess, and, so little flat land to build something....

[radiant heart]

it would be challenging for sure, need to plop an irrigation tower right at the starting location

[abstract vector]

Levee restrictions are gonna kill you on that map

[radiant heart]

the 2-tall one sure look like it would be prime thing to get with science

[woeful sun]

🎉 JC's comeback bid was successful. What a way to snatch the game back from the jaws of defeat.

[radiant heart]

tought it would be much harder until we started discussing it in here, curious how he will manage the clusterf*** of chimney/shafts tho

[woeful sun]

heh, yep

I think he might be able to swap the Factory with the Mechanized Kitchen, i.e. put the chimneys on the outside near the edge of the cliff,

it means moving basically everything though

[radiant heart]

replace the factory with 2 mech kitchen and move the factory ? 🤔

vertical shaft could help, too bad he just looked up the multi and got scared by science

[woeful sun]

Instead of [Factory, Mechanized Kitchen (on top of pass through house), Screw Press], reorder them to be instead: [Mechanized Kitchen (on top of pass through house), Factory, Screw Press]

ahh Vertical Power Shaft sections are "only" 50 science each, yea more possible

[radiant heart]

lol, 50 science, lapan was nice for once

anyway, still on that scienceless run, lasted way longer then expected so... gotta finish what you start

[radiant heart]

but the "straight to vertical"? 150?

[woeful sun]

It was 50 in an earlier version, I might be looking at outdated numbers,

[radiant heart]

"vertical to straight" is more of a decor, should almost have a "decoration" bonus

[woeful sun]

Timbertrees hasn't been updated since wb3.5.0

[radiant heart]

booting up the game, just finished uploading last version, give me 336000ms at least...

loading sucks, if there is one thing i have to complain about WB it's that

[sullen cape]

10 minutes into JC's video, oh my gosh 😂
Spoilers: ||It fixed itself, that's hilarious||

[radiant heart]

otherwise lapan is making an awesome job and wouldn't be still playing timberborn without that mod

[radiant heart]

there are 3 options
1- the dynamite worked (yay, @storm gulch did a smart one that no one could math out)
2-Water sources change output near the end/start of seasons so the lowering of the output did it
3-RNGesus was on our side and it only needed to stabilize

I don't care what it was, that was equaly awesome as anticlimactic. Top tier content! ... and then the kitchen 🤣

[sullen cape]

I'm 14 minutes in, the Kitchen sounds funny

[woeful sun]

I'm betting on all 3 🙂

[radiant heart]

will talk back in 1h, ||don't wanna spoil||

[radiant heart]

good job, you've just brain F'd me 🤣

Is that cheating? did the housing before the paths? 🤔

[woeful sun]

It's not yet having any effect right? (water level looks the same on both sides)

[radiant heart]

right on the start of a 20 day drought

[woeful sun]

(and wow, that's a lot of housing)

[radiant heart]

to be fair i'm doing some "not legal" usage of buildings, but on hard mode, gloves are off

[woeful sun]

lol

[radiant heart]

yup. @lapan, i did that 🤣

[sullen cape]

I was mostly staying legal, then I realised I was pausing my pumps during a drought, not realising I was using it as a dam for a Lido. So I stopped pausing them, and now I'm using the Fertilising tanks instead

[radiant heart]

that super duper irrigation fertilizer tower is awesome

sadly i don't have acces to science because... weirdo clause

[radiant heart]

Hey lapan, one big issue with "weidos" is rice production, i get all the tech tree and all but having a way to keep rice alive long enough to actually would be harvested would be nice. Was thinking about something like the lido but it's a "Rizière house" probably overthinking it but... yeah, weirdo....

can the small coocking tent make "edamame" with peas and salt? asking for a friend ! 😝

[shell fiber]

I didn't change the values, that's tobbert's mod (I only asked him to make them cost scaffoldings)
And strictly speaking, the vertical T shaped shaft covers all needs except universal, that's why it's more expensive

[shell fiber]

Boooooo ! 😅

[shell fiber]

Not the right kind of beans 😉

[shell fiber]

I guess you can build / destroy watertight buildings to fill a pool of clean water, then close it off when badtides hit 🤔

But you're really shooting yourself in the foot playing with no science 😄

[woeful sun]

otherwise they could just use a Floodgate?

[sullen cape]

Hmm I think he got ||Chimney'ed|| haha whoops

[shell fiber]

Floodgates are science locked 😅

[radiant heart]

wwanted to give it a try just for shits and giggles, i get it the mod is not intended to be played like that at all

[radiant heart]

yeah, that could be done on some maps i guess

[woeful sun]

and it's a lot of science because of the blueprint from the ENS

[radiant heart]

floodgate is not in the mecha lodge?

[radiant heart]

Just noticed that, does it mean the 2 builders in the kart can't get dirty so you can't sofltock your game by having all the beavers dirty before making shower/baths?

[radiant heart]

lol, got to the point i'm contaminating my beavers willingly so they don't eat/drink during the badtide 🤣

[snow scroll]

is that a change? I have definitely soft locked from dirty beavels

[radiant heart]

idk, just noticed it today 🤷‍♂️ Lapan will probably enlight us when he wakes up

[sullen cape]

They say hard node is crazy 🤪

[radiant heart]

hard mode is not the main issue, not destroying the kart is ( means no science at all)

[sullen cape]

I put my Science in a separate district to my food production. Even crazier, as the beavers just eat the produce instead of using it for science 😩

||Wonder how hard it would be to make a "packaging" more, so you can transport stuff through districts without it getting consumed first?...|| not really a spolier

[sullen cape]

Heh yeah I'm calling your gameplay even crazier 😅 😁

[radiant heart]

15 cycles in and still alive

https://tenor.com/view/trump-shrek-gif-19551630

it ain't stoopid if it works 🤣

[snow scroll]

@radiant heart forever immortalized as that "one weirdo" who plays on hard mode🙃

[radiant heart]

I'm not the only one probably but a couple cool stuff came from those dumb run. like the tank shower is one of my personnal favorite

(think it was on last moments of U4) did a helix hard and needed a cleaning solution, lapan delivered something quite cool

At that point i'm over 3kh deep in the WB... if it would suck i would probably not have passed the 3h mark 😉

[snow scroll]

Hear Ya! Just passed half my total Oxygen Not Included time. <My most hours per Steam metrics. And more than Half those are WBO

[radiant heart]

need to try that game but i'll get sucked into it and ppl gonna start putting up my picture on milk cartons🤣

WB are so awesome, hope with the mod support it could be a choice for everyone when starting a game and the dowloading and all would be automatic if someone wants to give it a try

[sullen cape]

Yeah I'd be spamming water tanks hehe

[radiant heart]

it's what i did but still....

[sullen cape]

Yup

[radiant heart]

not having the deep pumps or the pumps upgrade make it very hard to refill fast enough

with some "cheating" on building usage can build a reservoir but can't pump it with the short strws

[snow scroll]

Deep p[umps a lil faster too. adds up fast

[radiant heart]

badtides are the big issue but with the "jailed" beavers not eating/drinking need to send them ASAP in the poluted water to save on stuff but stop before you have no one to work

un to now worst i had were 20 days, not sure a 30 day will be survivable

[snow scroll]

was wondering about the 15 cycles in... Im cycle 32 on a second run of a a map I made after you began your run. lots of micro to be at cycle 15 at all, Im understanding

[sullen cape]

I think you could do 30 days, you just need a crap load of small tanks, no less than 200 lol

30 water * 200 tanks = 5k water, which should be more than enough 🙂

[snow scroll]

lol

well w no science what else they gotta do? heh

[sullen cape]

Ah yes, pump pump pump now haha

[radiant heart]

quite a lot 😉

[sullen cape]

HOLY I didn't realise that was your no-science game

[radiant heart]

Kart is still there

[sullen cape]

What's your population? I see how much water you have

[snow scroll]

whatcha gonna do w all that scrap?

[radiant heart]

220 in 2 districts

[radiant heart]

idk, just clearing out the place since i have nothing else to do except trying to survive 🤣

[sullen cape]

220 beavers x 2.13 water per beaver per day x 30 days = 14,058 water for a 30 day drought

[radiant heart]

if the "dirt mod" was working with the WB it would be something else, could do some terraforming a bit

[radiant heart]

but i don't have enough time to fill up my tanks

[sullen cape]

468.6 tanks (30 storage) needed for one drought assuming no pumping of course

Yup

Need those resovoiurs

Do plank tanks need science again?

[radiant heart]

drought is not that bad with my "multilayer pumping district"

[radiant heart]

nope it's all planks or pit tanks

[radiant heart]

but badtides....

[abstract vector]

You might be able to add a waterbeaver specification file, unless there's a compatibility problem

[sullen cape]

Well at least the pit tanks help haha
Ouch

[radiant heart]

the guy that made the mod usually gives me the "WB spec file" for other mods, at least used to back on U3 and U4, but it would break the WB having dirt that soon...

17d BT, should survive 🫣

think I actually have more jail space then beds 🤣

[sullen cape]

10 000 dirt for one block that early (they try to build the block but it keeps falling down 😂 )

[radiant heart]

they got logs and clay to hold it together, do not underestimate the will of the WB!

[sullen cape]

Oh they dooo

And the dirt block's unlocked without science for some reason...

[radiant heart]

slowly removing the brambles to get to unclog the 3 lakes upstream...

tought it would be much easier 😔

[radiant heart]

well, got a little problem right there 😦

[radiant heart]

well, down to 40, last bad tide was brutal

[sullen cape]

Ouch

[radiant heart]

been over worst

last run i did on U4, ( hard Helix) went from 150 to 3

2 beavers and a dream is all you need 😛

[sullen cape]

Rotate the middle house to the right and change it to the top floor door. Not sure about the pump yet

At least on IT you can pause the pods just before they finish 😂

[radiant heart]

destroyed it, pump on the left terrain miss reading F'd me up and the one on the right i just forgot to think about the path to get there

i just need a little luck, like a 8 day temperate to refill the tanks and i'll be good

[radiant heart]

FFFFF, 4th badtide in a row....

[snow scroll]

People gravitate toward train wrecks... ya outta stream... I wana see it all transpire.

probably need to add an

do NOT try this at home. warning

[radiant heart]

tought about it but can't have a regular schedule and whatnot... and just have fun doing those dumb shits on my own, don't want to have peer pressure to do this or that, gaming is a fun time, not a job

i like the chit chat about it but making vids and all... don't feel like it

Holy shit, 25D BT, sounds like the end

[snow scroll]

Agreed! and I have a great face for Radio heh

ouch, as the 4th of 4 in a row?

[radiant heart]

same 🤣

[radiant heart]

yup, last one was 20 and it was bad...

on the bright side i got 1k logs to make shrooms, but 200 water

[snow scroll]

heh, It would kinda suck... Alarm goes off, Sigh, "sorry cant stay. I gotta go and play video games so i dont lose my job." heh

They prolly dont have time to pump. running to the one next to 'em each time there is one of the 2.35ish water they need. three trips to wherever there "turn" comes up for the next available

[radiant heart]

biggest problem is I lost top of lemon groove in a badtide incident, lemonade is prime survival material

untill the bottom groove growa back i'm lacking citrus big time

(and can't plant them because "weirdo clause")

[snow scroll]

Part of the reason I started adjusting the map I was on

of course that turned into a completly new map altogether

I lost lemons early

and berries

and brambles. not all but the ones that would save me later heh

Does he live at the South Pole? I dont know the story of that Klaus...

[radiant heart]

"Klaus" is at the North pole, "Clause" is the kind of shit the F you up when you don't read the fine print before signing 😉 not similar at all

[snow scroll]

I get it. That was some of my weird comin out.

did you make it?

[radiant heart]

Cycle 18 14D to go on the BT, kids woke up had to pause 😉

about to unclog the second lake

still need to figure out best path to No3

i'm dumb, got the technologie, can use bridges

but that zone is getting real far with all the lack of options I have to move around...

[radiant heart]

not gonna see the end today, need to hit the bed, find out next time on timberball Z 🤣

[snow scroll]

NIce!

Sleep Fast!

[shell fiber]

It's been there for quite a while 😉
It's not an actual cleaning buff, it's making it decrease slower, but that gives a chance to get a shower build in emergency since the two builders will in principle be the last two beavers to complain about filth 😉

[shell fiber]

It's easy but the problem is that it adds clutter in the game. But only that adds once more item in the storage menus, it also requires a building to make said package.

It doesn't seem like much but If you extend that to a bunch of things (cooking recipes for example) that quickly gets out of hand

[sullen cape]

Heh that was actually an idea for my own mod, if I ever got the motitvation to make it. I would have to make some kind of packaging and unpackaging kind of building as well

And yes it would make a mess of menus

[radiant heart]

Welp, cycle 20 i've reached the point i don't see other options but to be doing that ... :S And didn't even get those 30 days bad seasons... at that point it's pretty safe to say it's not doable, at least not on that map

did a woopsie and kept sending kids to diffrent district, enended up with 80 homeless 😅 migration managment is hard

[radiant heart]

turns out i just needed to supress my error, now no one is getting sent to the "diying zone" 🎉

28 day drought, time for the real stress test! tbh i think droughts won't be the problem, badtides will be, just got lucky, had none over the last 4 cycles

[radiant heart]

or not, when there is a babyboom still get somewhere between 20 and 40 sent to theyr death... it's for the greater good tho!

[snow scroll]

I may, "Allegedly" have a death disrict, or as our governments want us to believe, a Quarantine zone. In my custom normal play throughs

not bad, you were doubtfull at cycle 18

[radiant heart]

did it over the long as droughts, still no badtide but i'm pretty sure the first big badtide gonna be my end

[snow scroll]

you got your 15k water stockpiled though ya?

[radiant heart]

nan, can't pump fast enough

highest it's been is around 8~9k

[snow scroll]

what if yo opened the road and just expect a huge population "change" each cycle?

the road to all you paused two stoies

[radiant heart]

it would be too much, already the "dying district" helped control the population swings

went down to 30 beavers at some point😅

200~ish is "survivable" at least untill the badtide hit, will see when i get one but up to now RNGesus wants me to survive apparently

[gleaming tree]

noticed i had some food problems, mad more farms, knew i was gonna have water problems after, installed more pumps. went from ~200ish to ~300ish while i fixed my industry and moved up to factory... sign i need more farms again...

also trying to make a self reliant district of about 20 beavers so if i get messed up like jc did i wouldn't worry about the mass hexa-chrome poisoning issue with the beavers.

[radiant heart]

for food a crapton of mush growers on slow mode, lowest priority but priorrityzed by hauler is the best way i found to help making more without too much of a pop increase

1 grower per 20~25 beavers is my basic go to, worst case if they are full it's abit of a reserve plus the water stored in there can save your ass. Carefull tho because when you build those it's gonna strain your water supply while they fill up

all those buildings that "run without workers" are better to be set at lowest priority and let the haulers take care of it

[snow scroll]

That does ssem to be the gameplay loop. when you are about to burst, you notice that you have upgraded and smoothed logistics enough to start eliminating the early necessity buildings

[radiant heart]

tried a full blown cheater run, basically target with WB "doable" is get to 250 biobeavers, and about the same amount of bots, kids don't count tho so male it 300~325 beds

that's about GG on any map, you can let them run forever

Worst part is setting all of those tanks to water 🤣

[snow scroll]

though it seems to take 7-900 biobeavers to get to bots

[radiant heart]

didn't test out that part, i guess with micromanaging it could stay under 400, with my recent dumb run i'd guess a stable colony without science on normal is a 150~200 bio

biggest issue end game is you end up with a huge chunk of beds only there to support the contaminated from the ENS so keep the bot stuff happening, other then that there is no contamination happening unless you ask for it

[radiant heart]

@lapan, one thing i noticed, nuts are available right of the start but not much to do... crazy idea, how about having a receipe in the small tent and moving those to the nursery? would not "softlock" the game but would be a really high value thing to save at the start 🤔

don't wanna bring back the grilled nuts debate but...

[snow scroll]

I dont turn on the ENS till I have all the mats.. Churn out at full staff, a few jails and 4-5 clinics...

Oh wait! Dont use my math. I cheat with the custom settings

[sullen cape]

I do a survival district that's self-sufficient and doesn't export much just in case

[snow scroll]

@sullen capeThats a good Idea. Kinda, everything right before the library, then district next...

[gleaming tree]

you can double stack that with covered tanks and cruddy platforms

[shell fiber]

yeah i've been thinking about this for a while, making chestnuts and possibly nenuphar edible raw (or grilled or whatever) but there's already plenty of edibles so i'm not sure what to do

[gleaming tree]

maybe a less efficient flour recipe like 2:1 or something at the hand crafter. maybe a pickled nenuphar in the fermentation barrel with salt and water

but i agree, there is alot to eat already

[snow scroll]

@shell fiberperhaps just move cereal bars to the tent

there is quite a bit of logistics involved in them. it would allow utilization of the chestnuts that are already on maps. by the time you need them for the abyss, the logistics for all the mats have been streamlined and worked out for other means

[shell fiber]

hmm... the cooking house is not that far off i think 🤔

[snow scroll]

right now they are locked behind the papermill/factory

[shell fiber]

althought the cooking tent could have a reciepe for it too i guess

[snow scroll]

oh there ya go, a less efficient one

[shell fiber]

yeah, maybe that's a good idea

all of the ingredients are available from start too 🤔

[snow scroll]

yupper

chestnuts are in the way otherwise heh

[shell fiber]

updated the lemon valley map again

regarding the cereal bars i gave the original reciepe to the cooking tent, but it only produces 18 cereal bars per round, and made a faster one for the cooking house, which produces 22 bars.
i also re-adjusted a bunch of reciepes

and with that i'm good to restart my lemon valley playthrough

[shell fiber]

if i make a summary of existing reciepes (non-edibles not counted, oil is 2 SF seeds) :

cooking tent

• rice balls input/output 25/25 = 100%
• braised cabbage 6/7 = 116.6%
• cereal bar (slow) 12/15 = 125%
• fried pumpkin chips 0.333 * 28/55 = 65.5% (+large wb bonus)

cooking house

• fried rice (slow) : 15/22 = 146.6%
• Cereal bar (fast) : 14/22 = 157.2%

mechanized kitchen

• Fried rice (fast) : 15/25 = 166.6%
• Vegetable stew : 6/10 = 166.6%
• Muchroom stew : 6/10 = 166.6%

Gristmill

• Weird udon : 6/12 = 200%

Great cooking tent

• Deluxe stew : 20/50 = 250%

also, i'm seriously considering making the mechanized kitchen house a "robot" that would require no worker, but then i would push it up technologically speaking (which means its reciepes would also be given to other buildings like the cooking house) for example having it require robot limbs and a clockwork core or something.

thoughts ?

[sullen cape]

So the numbers are old/new, that's nice
Unless you wanted to add another tier of cooking house? Cooking Factory or something

[shell fiber]

oh, no no, it's input / output, basically how much more food the reciepe produces

i don't really feel like adding a new tier, it's just that the mech kitchen feels underpowered for its requirements

power + chemneys + workers

i don't know it doesn't feel that great to me and i wanted a cooking solution that could run entirely alone if supplied by bots

[radiant heart]

since a lot of later food give "grilled nuts" already it would only be a lower tier way to fullfill taht need, kinda like kimchy also fills up cabages

[snow scroll]

lacked behiond robotics seems like it would be kept out of useful range

Could the mech kitchen do the lotus and spicy? those take a buncha small kitchens to make a useful quantity. would putting them in the mech house give thit more utility?and thus less underpowered?

[radiant heart]

mheee, rather have a 3rd tier coocker instead of loosing the mecha kitchen

[snow scroll]

agreed

[radiant heart]

think the mecha works without workers anyway , or i'm confused?

[snow scroll]

yer right. it canm

-Quickly tics'prioritize by haulers' in current run

a third tier would also another way to reduce population needs later

[radiant heart]

once you get to the buffet/fruit bar it's really not that big of an issue once you managed to kickstart them

[snow scroll]

there we go, a goal to shoot for. havent even tried em yet