Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

oh, crap, that time already

why did i start modding at almost midnight ?

i'm an idiot

[radiant heart]

😂

GN! ( for what's left of it)

[shell fiber]

that's probably where i'll be going with this building

(just so as to not lose it)

anyway, GN

thnakfully i don't have to get up particularily early tomorrow

[regal temple]

Sleep well - for I have questions, ahahah! 😄
I am a little confused about:
Why did my large farm not want to plant any lilies? Both were under water, but only 0.5-1 units. Large farmers just hung around, but wouldn't plant. They were next to the crop area, so no difficulties with pathing.

Also - triangle roof upgradable buildings, for the Forester hauler post upgrade. It seems straightforward...but I can;t seem to find one that works. What am I missing pls?

Sorry, always with the questions! Loving the mod though, if I didn't like the fiendish complexity(and decorative design!) I wouldn't persist! 😄
Cheers!

[radiant heart]

lotus needs a depth of water between 1 and 2

forester on the left, the "triangle building" on the right

observation deck/hauler upgrade need a forester, they don't go on 2 triangle buildings, taht is the farm upgrades

[regal temple]

Aha, that explains the lilies, cheers! I've tried a number of different combinations of the forester, will have another bash, cheers. Having a bit of a population crash at the moment though, sits a bit of a moot point lol. 500 deaths in a couple of days is normal, right? 🤣🤣🤣

[radiant heart]

not if your original pop was 200, other then that... 🤷‍♂️

[regal temple]

Blink and the food reserve of 14000 is in the triple digits, wait, double, aaaah shite! 🤣
Aha, worked out what the issue was with the forester - I wasn't accounting for the "garden" parts at the front of the triangle buildings, and so the different length footprints were lined up at the front...but not at the back.

[radiant heart]

14k 🤔 think you need a bit of work on your storages 😉

to be fair tho once you can get the food buffet running it goes up a lot

[regal temple]

Am at that stage where I'm considering another restart to put in place more of waht I've learned!

[radiant heart]

that works too, WB sure needs a couple shot to get a hang of it

[radiant heart]

glowy fluid... that's why...

not really pop efficient

with all the hooman meat chain, maybe if fuild was requiired as a building material but not part of the receipe.
option B: make it a fuel with really low consumption like the lab stuff in the ruins.

Or use that "florist MKII", drop a nice yellow awning on it and make it the "GMO/florist MKII" (Big fan of that option)

IMO GMO lab is a nice failsafe but too costly with the glowy fluids

[shell fiber]

Oh I see, fair point

I'll adjust the recipes

Probably option b

[radiant heart]

and the gatherer won't even let a bridge

think that one needs to be a free square

something is blocking any frontal access

i guess it's the "blason bleuet"

[shell fiber]

Oh I though I had made it so it could be build like that 😓

Okay I'll recheck it

But I'll also make it accessible from the side 👍

[radiant heart]

all the others you can access the front

[shell fiber]

(I'll remove the small barrier)

[radiant heart]

see, they will get a light anyway 😉

[stiff coyote]

Question
How do you get dirt?
I see recipes requring dirt but haven't found a way to get it

[sullen cape]

To get dirt you need to use the mechanical drills for coal and/or iron, but they are more advanced buildings

[shrewd horizon]

Hey! I need some help with tree nursery... what is the correct place to build it?

Mayby some screen and description please...

[stiff coyote]

Thank you. I must of been overlooking it

[radiant heart]

it's basicaly a forester but for other type of plantations

[shrewd horizon]

They dont need any special place?

[radiant heart]

nope

if you want to plant the bananas will need a greenhouse nearby, that's it

[shrewd horizon]

Ok... the long description on yhis structure scare me 😄

[radiant heart]

lol

[shrewd horizon]

Have you banana farm in your city?

[radiant heart]

you decided to play the WB mod, nothing can scare you 🤣

yeah, got 2 bananas plantations

one 6x2 greenhouse the other 4x? (6 maybe)

[shrewd horizon]

of course but i play WB last year

[radiant heart]

4x7, all under the balloons it's bananas

[radiant heart]

and all the base of the CW farms ( the 6x2 greenhouses)

the nursery is in the water on the other side

[shrewd horizon]

Nice

[radiant heart]

you can put pretty much anything you want on top with the megaplatform as long as it's not a watertight building

also you probably need that many to start with, ( got 1,6K pop)

[shrewd horizon]

You probably know... WB have some like as a water gate from traditional faction? I looking way to fight with bad water

[radiant heart]

they have one but it's a bit pricy

[shrewd horizon]

Some ideas for begiiner (like me 😉 )

[radiant heart]

get irrigations tower away from the river and avoid swimming in the badwater untill you get the washing machine are the 2 best suggestion i can give you i think

[shrewd horizon]

So... avoid them as long as i can...

[radiant heart]

jail + decontamination agent works but not if all your pop is running in the dirty water

can't stay too far from badwater, need it for your science

[shrewd horizon]

I know

Science - extremaly hard to get but is that what we all love 🙂

[radiant heart]

once you get to the better receipe in the librairy it's not that bad

( once you got treb it's even better)

[shrewd horizon]

I totally forgot about treb

[radiant heart]

lapan had to nerf the science from treb, it was way too powerfull back on U4

[shrewd horizon]

Thanks for all the tips, I will definitely write again if I don't understand something

[radiant heart]

anytime 🥂

[sullen cape]

What's your population Redneck? And maybe framerate 😂

[radiant heart]

12h days is recent, kinda sad it didn't make the well-beeing pop the triple digits ( technically WB can go up to 158)

[sullen cape]

Fark 1.5k, and that's decent FPS too

[radiant heart]

1.6k 😉

[sullen cape]

Yep, and only 6 unemployed 😅

[radiant heart]

those are most probably in batterytown, side district just to try and see how WB can be maxed out

or not, only 2 in there....

🤔

WTF

[radiant heart]

+2 overall with this addition! yay

[shell fiber]

Hmm... The fires from the temple do not emit light ? 🤔

[radiant heart]

looks like no

[shell fiber]

I'll try to fix that.

I can probably make it so that the temple can have a mega platform on top of it, but more importantly I should make it not ground only

Sadly that requires to rework the model

[radiant heart]

IMO it's fine as is

got better things to do i think 😉

[radiant heart]

Shouldn't glass be in the construction material line?🤔

[shell fiber]

Of the temple ?

[sullen cape]

I think redneck means glass should be a construction material, as it's used as such. (Logs, planks, scaffolding)

[shell fiber]

Oh !

Hmm, good point

[radiant heart]

yeah, what Ants said, I always search for it to see my number, always think it's in the "log section"

[radiant heart]

Could it be possible to have a state of inventory for the warehouse set for nothing and not have a "no thing selected" icon? my haulers tower a quite in the middle of nowhere since they are not houses and they loose a butload of time carrying stuff in there🤔

(using bones as place holder atm) 😉

[radiant heart]

and another dam going down!

[sullen cape]

Fill it with something useless 🙃

[radiant heart]

bones 😉

[sullen cape]

Something like that, or something you don't use

[shell fiber]

Put them in a place where they actually can be used as storage 😉

[shell fiber]

okay, put the glass panes in the construction material category

also added some internal paths in the nuclear power plants to make the chemneys accessible for building

[shell fiber]

Gaah !

dear god that took a while

mostly because i had to learn how the "curve" modifier works

and then adjusting the texture

[heavy lodge]

Yet to learn how to smooth (not battery one 🤣 ) the faces on curve 🤔

[shell fiber]

nah, that's way enough polygons

[shell fiber]

it's for this thing

[radiant heart]

you making train tracks lapan? 🤣

[shell fiber]

just need some animating 🙂

[radiant heart]

this looks really nice!

[shell fiber]

oh right the conveyer is going to need some support

[radiant heart]

needs to be built on something but does the support has to come with the building?

[shell fiber]

oh it's going to be a florist-like overhang

comes with its own stilts

[radiant heart]

so you can't put one on top of the other dues to the overhang of the top?

[shell fiber]

uuh

didn't really think that far

😅

[radiant heart]

tought about it before i have to complain about it later, yay 🤣

did you adjust the glowy fluid as "fuel" on the GMO lab too?

[shell fiber]

oh, right

okay, let's start with 1 glowfluid for 20 cycles

oh, almost 2AM already

[distant wigeon]

OOoh! Neat!

||Do I still see the conveyor belt box fly super fast back inside the building? Or am I seeing things?||

[shell fiber]

no that's correct, if you don't send everything back in its place before the end of the loop it does weird things. so i shrink the box to scale=0 and send it back before giving it it scale back

[shell fiber]

fixed that

also

[shell fiber]

damn i had forgot to make the forestry upgrades watertight and no one noticed 😅

[sullen cape]

That's neat!

Quick question, is the dam drain house's 3m³ 3cms of water?

[shell fiber]

in prinicple

but it's sometime unclear

last time i checked in "clean conditions" it could channel the entire flow of a strenght 3 water source

but to be honest, i'm not very satisfied with the dam drain houses in general

i know people like them but i will likely severely nerf them

if not remove entirely

but likely just nerf

[sullen cape]

Yeah I've saw you dislike them

Maybe I should build with Mechanical Pumps instead, could work

[radiant heart]

MEcha pumps need a buff tho ( unless it's already done)

Not sure what is going on but all my receipes including rice are having a hard time even tho i have a ton. Did something change? 🤔

[shell fiber]

end of cycle 22 : Badwater defeated at last

[shell fiber]

not that i remember

[radiant heart]

wuess it's just moving my storage, i removed a few small ones all over the place so productivity went down the drain, alll my bad !

[shell fiber]

i think i'll mostly bring back the output of all water movers in the range of the cannons and mech water pumps

[shell fiber]

oh, hauler bots are incomming soon, that should solve it

i have removed the beaver bones and added "robot part"

[radiant heart]

so will have to import bots stuff from the IT to make them?

[shell fiber]

since they can carry 100kg and move quite faster, i think that should allow to reduce working hours too

[radiant heart]

i'm already down to 12h days

[shell fiber]

nah, the parts are made in the processing plant / manufactury

not entrirely sure of the name

they will also cost hooman relics and nuclear fuel, unsurprisingly.

[radiant heart]

sounds cool

[shell fiber]

ah also, important : i reverted a tiny change that i had done to the side platform

i had made them occupy less space for making things easier, but that's just not looking right with the model

hence why my paper mill suddently got disconnected

[radiant heart]

we got the overhang ones if we need the space under to be free, no big deal there

[shell fiber]

yeah there is the bridge ones and the squewer ones, that's good enought

quite the investment though

but i'm already starting to lack space on this map

almost eradicated my brambles

i need to quicly get to the tree nursery but i haven't yet unlocked the ballon pad 😬

or i could use some florists, but i don't have an particularily interesing spot for them in my dam

unless i raze half of it that is 😑

but i almost completed my dam

(the very deep and dark pond at the foot of the waterfalls)

[radiant heart]

there is a lot of room left on your map, need to get the CW running and reclaim farming ground 😉

[shell fiber]

yeah

i need to push a lot further than i ever did to make sure everything works as i want

btu enough for today

still need to go take a shower

[radiant heart]

GN !

[shell fiber]

gn !

[radiant heart]

well, that's a first too

🤣

[shell fiber]

How ? Are you on a map so immense that balloons end up landing in your fields ?

[radiant heart]

idk, well, maybe they ran out of methane and had to do an emergency landing 🤷‍♂️

[sullen cape]

Welcome to programming/computers 😂

[radiant heart]

How about making the small aquifer able to pump out badwater so it doesn't become obselete and can move beavers away from the contamination? afterall, if they are smart enough for pumping good water from the ground pretty sure they can bring in the bad one too 😉

[sullen cape]

Don't we have a bad water pump already? 😅

[radiant heart]

not one that doesn't require a worker

[sullen cape]

Ah makes sense

Also (without saving) I spawned some bots in for fun, but the icon that appears when you click on them is 😱

[radiant heart]

the black one?

that's some old stuff from U3, maybe 4... those bots were nightmare fuel 🤣

[radiant heart]

wanted to do that for a while but tought it would crash my game since no building should be bot vailable

anyway the hauler bot are looking sweet, can't wait to give those a try

(hope hauling includes district crossing haulers 😉 )

[sullen cape]

I wondered if it was from vanilla actually, and when I spawned bots buildings had all the science costs to unlock them for bots like normal so they should work (maybe make a diverging save game)

[radiant heart]

better make a back up cauz lapan said the bots are soon (tm) to be implemented, that could mees your save big time

[radiant heart]

well, sad news of the day, GMO lab for shrooms is not worth it..

to make it worth it would need maybe 3~5x the internal storage. needs to be more hauler friendly, otherwise the mush tent is a better option and by far

[sullen cape]

I didn't save instead, was "cheating" and messing around

[delicate leaf]

Didn't see a dedicated thread for the balloon mod but if I remember right your the author of it right lapan? Wanted to ask the feature I thought it was for when I downloaded it. Transporting workers from one point in the district to another in the same district. Would halve the journey of some haulers quite a bit.

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah right, i have to revert that

[shell fiber]

oh teleporting beavers, is way beyond what i could possibly hope to do.
sadly the balloon mod is not yet fully fleshed for other factions, i have a lot of annoyances with my job lately (my boss is somehow convinced that i'm slacking off when i'm not, but he clearly has no idea what my actual day-to-day work is) so i'm not really in a modding mood 😥

[shell fiber]

i think the benefit is really marginal given how overpowered the 3x4 advanced pump is, but this is trivial to do so why not

[delicate leaf]

Wouldn't be teleporting beavers, you'd be telling the game that building X connects to building Y as a path point,. the beavers would enter normally and you'd just pause them in place until the balloon reaches building Y, then change their coords to match the new location

The player would be responsible for pairing the buildings, like the pumps with the gauges

[shell fiber]

well yeah but all that stuff requires code. if you have a fully-functionning script that does that, i can try to add it to the mod, but on my own i'm not even close from being able to do any of that.

[shell fiber]

are we talking with of without the reduction in glowfluid consumption ?

[delicate leaf]

Well as long as it's added to your TODO list for the mod then that's good enough for me

I can wait for that

[shell fiber]

well i wouldn't say it's on my to-do list, that's not what i intended the balloon mod to be.
also balloons move pretty slowly, to move beavers that doesn't seem super effective

[delicate leaf]

While they certainly move slow, that doesn't mean they can't be more effecient than walking. Let'ds say you have a complex system of roads that are by no means a straight line to the destination (pretty common in my op), the balloon can just fly over all that, skipping the stairs, ladders, etc the beavers would normally have to take. THAT's how it can be more effecient.

There's also cases where you'd have winding stairs around cliff faces, a balloon can skip all that and just go straight over the cliff

If you do add it to the TODO list then you should make a copy of my comment regarding how it can be implemented since chances are you'd forget by the time you get to it and having a rough direction of how to do it could get you started pretty quickly

It should probably also have some sorta on/off state for the game to redirect beavers from it down the usual path while the balloon is active

[shell fiber]

i'll think about it

[radiant heart]

pop efficiency 😉

[radiant heart]

talking only about the mush, they don't need fluid

[radiant heart]

choochoo mod tried to have beavers transport and it's quite a challenge. I guess if that works it would be the same scrit for the balloon transport 🤔

[rancid tulip]

and choochoo mod doesn't yet work with waterbeavers last i heard.

[radiant heart]

nope, sadly

[shrewd horizon]

Is this known bug or i just find something new? I dont select all from available element to produce from mine. Probably long name cause that behavior

Alchemist (short name) dont have this problem

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah indeed, i'm surprised no one reported that earlier

wait what ? the thing on my side is correct 🤨

which version are you on ?

[shrewd horizon]

3.3.8

And by the way one more thing

Really long window not fit with full recipe

[shell fiber]

which building is that ?
but either way, latest update is 3.4.0, there's a decent chance i have fixed that suff already.
as for the UI there's sometimes not much i can do but i try to make it so you can see the whole tab at 95% UI scale, but you may need to fold up the building description / flavor text

[shell fiber]

oh right, fruit bar and buffet, that's the only 2 buildings where there's litterally nothing to do about it.

[shrewd horizon]

To more guest 😆

[shell fiber]

i might rework those buildings eventually, but at the moment it will have to do

[shrewd horizon]

Ok. One more question. To update i only replace the WB mod file with new one?

[shrewd horizon]

simple solution - don't let this building be an place to live

[shell fiber]

it's always best to delete the old version entirely and download the new one

[shell fiber]

the rule is that anything watertight also must be a house. if i rework this thing i would actually remove its attraction functionnality (the 32 small seats) and have the fruitbar item be consumed somewhere else.

[shrewd horizon]

Of course. I didn't know this rule

[shell fiber]

well it's mostly to prevent abuse of builings just for their watertightness effect

[radiant heart]

yes it is fixed on 3.4, sent you the issue a while ago 😉

[radiant heart]

with UI at 80% and description hidden it is stilll too big for the buffet ( think the bar also) those are the 2 major ones with that problems,the others are ok

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[radiant heart]

Hey Lapan, don't wanna be pushy or anything but if you get a min could you drop 3.4.1 at least to solve the viewing spot entry and give the GMO fuel fluid edition a try? think you have that done already, otherwise just ignore me

[sullen cape]

Wonder if this will work?! Pass through water only of course

[shell fiber]

Oh yes you're right, I could at last sleep decently tonight and my boss seemed somewhat in a good mood with what I showed so I'll probably be modding a bit today 👍

[shell fiber]

I see no obvious issue with that, except the severe abuse of dark drain houses 😅

Also dont forget that there's a nerf incoming for those

You will likely not have any problem filling a pond, but you won't channel the entire river thought this

[sullen cape]

Yeah I thought I may as well build them, then I will work something else out after your patch haha

[shell fiber]

new version uploading ! 😃

it might be a little sloppy on the sides thought

[radiant heart]

bots are in that one or you are just messing around with those?

[shell fiber]

i definitely forgot a bunch of translation keys, but unity crashes 3/4 times when loading the mod so that will wait an other day

[shell fiber]

yeah, they're in 🙂

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-19806504

[shell fiber]

at the moment they should only be employed in that waiting area and in the hauler tower

which i think is nice because that also tells you if your hauling capacity is sufficient or not

[radiant heart]

like if they have nothing to haul they will go and chill in the waiting zone?

[shell fiber]

basiically yes

of course it's "chill" for a robot

ie, wait in line somewhere and not move 😅

[radiant heart]

last chimney almost there! ( probably won't bother for the 2 bottom one, don't need the pop nor the power)

[shell fiber]

trying to boil off an ocean or something ?

[radiant heart]

want to suck up all the badwater i don't need, problem is the overflow when they stop sucking during the droughts so had to make a "blow off"

[shell fiber]

yeah i'd like to find a solution to that eventually

[radiant heart]

talking bout badwater, did you drop it on the quifer on that one?

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah right i did

only the small one though

[radiant heart]

can't there be something in the IT badwater discharge that prevents the stop during droughts?

[shell fiber]

there should be

need to poke at it

anyway, GN !

[radiant heart]

is there another depedencie you updated or only the WB one? ( need to know what folders to delete 😉 )

downloading...

[shell fiber]

no, not yet i think

[radiant heart]

openend, yay!

can't set the bots in the tower 🤔

[shell fiber]

i think the option doesn't appear untill your first bot is made

[radiant heart]

the chilling zone is also a "hauler center" ?

[shell fiber]

yes

it's intended as the primary one

it will have a better name eventually

[radiant heart]

kinda like the "bot chilling zone"

Anyway, GN, gonna mess around with it and let you know if something explodes 😉

[shell fiber]

yep, thanks !

[radiant heart]

it's happening!

[radiant heart]

Little display issue here,

plus it's only eating gears up without making the badwater, guess it's a typo thing like the planks from giant logs that were not there at some point

[radiant heart]

Clay pit,forester are available for bots at 500science. well, when you hover your mouse over it tells you can be unlocked for 500 but won't unlock

gristmill similar, showing at 750 but won't unlock

Not sure i like this one, gonna end up cloging on one or another juice at some point

rather have individuals options like the berries

similar comment about the clogging for the nenuphar/lotus one and the toy/necklaces one

I get what you want to do, i like it but I think it's not super convinient and doesn't solve the lack of this/too much of that problem

like i couldn't use that receipe atm just because my cocomilk is maxed out

District crossing beeing available for bots would be awesome, afterall is just haulers rebranded 😉

[radiant heart]

They are all called "hauler bot" no No, kinda sad, wanted to follow my first one 🥺

Maybe to avoid clogging a bit, that one could be only flower, here is the tought:

• once you got the gaz extractors, don't need nenuphars anymore for methane, so way less needed.
  -CW farm can produce the nenuphars alone
  -really in the endgame the shitty one to make becomes the flower ( still need to look up the GMO tho)

[radiant heart]

but popwise GMO needs more then just plucking away flowers in one building

[radiant heart]

After giving it some more toughts, I think the mechanized factory is good as is but more as a mid game element, still a jack of all trade but master of none. Helps a ton on production without removing the clogging issues

[shell fiber]

Ah crap, okay

[radiant heart]

sry bout all the reading, just went along as trying it 😉 can do a TLDR if you want

[shell fiber]

Yeah that's kind of what I'm worried about but at the same time if it just a bit faster / higher yield I thought it would not really be interesting

[radiant heart]

didn't try the berrie one yet but looks promissing

need to move receipies on 30 presses, didn't feel like doing that today 😅

On the visual side, bot might look less silly with a 15~25 % shrink, like if they could stay within "1m" high would look better

they clip in all platforms, doorways and all, not that i care but pretty sure you do 😉

[shell fiber]

Ah yeah right I saw that a bit

[radiant heart]

at least i'm not gonna have any nightmares from those "dark bots" 🤣

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah right

Completely forgot

[radiant heart]

and only one science for the unlock?

tought it would be at least 1k

[shell fiber]

Was unsure what would happen if I put zero

[radiant heart]

FYI, today's production, got stuck with a lack of metal at some point, probably would have a full tower by now otherwise

(6 cycles)

[shell fiber]

Actually for the assembly line, there was something I was considering at some point to ease the work of kitchens etc, would have been to make a building that pre-pack the ingredients in one single item

[radiant heart]

bots will probably solve that, just need them to catch up

[shell fiber]

But I don't know if that's really useful anymore with the fruit bar and buffet canteen

Yeah

Oh btw, don't forget that your bots will live on for 3000 cycles so no hurry I think 😅

[radiant heart]

since you need the kitchen stuff to do the buffet it could help. another cool mid game thing. but there again, will see when bots catch up a bit, with 6 hauling towers... hope those produce big time

thing i noticed is the amount of ingredients in one receipe is the big hold back, like 1 receipe that needs 50 of 2 ingredients VS one that needs 10 of 10 gonne be way easier

was the case for vege stew, now fried rice got that issue

looking at the receipe, who puts cabages in fried rice??? 🤣 i think just swapping the 2 cabages for 2-3 more rice would help ( and make sense , maybe?) 🤔

[shell fiber]

Beaver recipe 😉

But maybe I can do -1/+1

But rice is more a pain to produce than cabbage no ?

Also don't know if you've noticed but I made the CW farms require robot parts instead of resin (why did it ever need resin in the first place, it's not watertight)

I'm also considering replacing the CW farm blueprint with an actual item like a "clockwork brain" that would be easier to make but not duplicateable

Oh and I suppose I forgot to have the robot make require the PhD in robotics ...

[shell fiber]

That would keep the ens useful long term

[radiant heart]

-1+1 won't solve it, it's about how many diffrent items, not the amount total needed

[radiant heart]

not since the buff, can't be consumed raw so production is a tad better (when considering planting/harvesting) but it needs to be processed

[radiant heart]

didn't notice but makes sence with a "robotic controler blueprint" needed

[radiant heart]

geez, if each robot needs a PhD i quit😅

but a PhD for the bot assembly makes sense

[radiant heart]

Nice, didn't think it would work!

(yes, had to frop in 3 more coal drills 😅

the night view is amazing!

[radiant heart]

(side note, 10 metal blocks for only 2 drill bits is a bit expensive, under 5 it's kind of a rip off)🤷‍♂️

still doing it because i f'd up big time but not really efficient on mining stuff, it is a bangner for oil tho but with the nuclear press oil is a done deal

[sullen cape]

I forgot to ask, my build "didn't" work, the Pass-through lodge doesn't have road access via the 2 long bridge?

[shrewd horizon]

I think this place mrk red block your beaver

[sullen cape]

Ahh but these are modded bridges!

A better image

[shrewd horizon]

Ok... that is interesting🤔

[sullen cape]

I wonder if it only works on one side of the lock system (for the passthrough lodge, which I'm only using because it's 2x3x1)

[sullen cape]

Okay that make sense, I'll move my bridges around, guessing it's a base game limitation

[sullen cape]

Derp still doesn't work, might just connect it to a different district or something

[shrewd horizon]

Just for my curiosity... if you replace the double bridge with a single one, will it work?

[sullen cape]

Ahh I already placed the lower double bridge with two platforms :/

Well apart from that one weird building, it works! Soon to be nerfed, but I'm okay with that, still have the old badtide diversion system in place

[shell fiber]

It's a bit weird but I can look into it

Probably has to do with the press though lodge itself

[sullen cape]

Note, it's the Beaver pass-through lodge below it that doesn't have access (currently)

[shell fiber]

i found the issue with the pass-through lodge

[sullen cape]

Oh thank you 🙂

[shell fiber]

also fixed the aquifer pump badwater reciepe

what else was there to fix ?

[radiant heart]

WB bridges allow for that, it's not the issue

[radiant heart]

rest is not really a "fix" just stuff we were talking about but nothing that doesn't work

[shell fiber]

fixed that, but it's not retroactive

i don't really feel like poking at the fried rice reciepe right now

[radiant heart]

there is no rush there anyway, it works just a tad inconvinient

[shell fiber]

oh, right building seemingly allowing bot but in fact not, also bot scale

[radiant heart]

and allowing bots in district crossings

[shell fiber]

yeah but it i remove cabbage, there's just rice and green peas, that doesn't feel right

is should have oignons, carrots etc

but let's not add to much crap

what i can do though is increase the storage cap for ingredients

[radiant heart]

let's try that and see how it goes. not sure how it will change something but worth a try

[shell fiber]

i didn't really like the idea of a small building being able to store 500 fried rice if that would normally require an entire warehouse, but i guess gameplay smoothness is more important

[radiant heart]

there is also the multijuice thing but not sure if you planned on changing that

[shell fiber]

i'd need to try

oh right, the bot district crossing

[shell fiber]

new version uploading

[radiant heart]

with bots in the crossing a 30 storage is a bit short tho to take full advantage of the hauling capacities of the bots

well, that's a bit of a problem 😅

crossing too

[sullen cape]

I spammed District Crossings once I had ladders, it definitely helped stop one of my districts run out of water 🙂

[radiant heart]

i miss the good old way with the 10x transport mod, that was way more efficient for transfering stuff

(like in U3 i think)

[radiant heart]

No more plugs? ( game froze when trying to plug a new one)

[sullen cape]

oops lol, anything in BepInEx?

[abstract vector]

What are some recommended maps?

[sullen cape]

I'm playing on Helix mountain and badtides are easy to divert, but they will kill most of your berries first

[sullen cape]

Welcome to the District Crossing towers! Each small district crossing only has one worker in it, but 30 storage per item per worker is really helpful!

I hope I'm not abusing ladders too hard 🤣

[shell fiber]

No worries I'm working on it

I made the 3d model yesterday

[shell fiber]

I just removed the plug and allowed connectivity from both voxels on both sides, there's no reason why it would freeze or crash

[shell fiber]

Recommended is waterfall or gentle canyon

[abstract vector]

Brambles grow and spread like twice as fast as I'd like them to

[sullen cape]

At the start of the game you can fence them off with paths haha

[sullen cape]

Maybe a slightly overpowered way of dealing with badtides? It's fairly "simple" to build though 🙂

AND I'm getting access to the water I previously had to reject as it was partially contaminated 🙂

[shell fiber]

but that wouldn't be quite like brambles if they grew at a manageable speed 😉

i made some minor cosmetic tweaks, like forcing the bots in a static pose in their standby area, added some nasty orange smoke to the alchimist and a barely more appealing black smoke to the factory. also (presumably) fixed the lights of the agora and the fire in the exercizeplaza.

does anyone has stuff stuff in that vein that needs fixing ?

[sullen cape]

Fluid dumps don't have a description? And a few other buildings, but that's about it

Not that that matters at all

[radiant heart]

the downside of ladders is travel time, you don't really see it since the game only shows you the distance on the x,y plane, doesn't recognize the purely vertical movement

[radiant heart]

will have to recrash my game for the greater good i guess 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh i had the game on hand right now

yeah it just crashed

wtf

oh, i see

stupid error on my part

inattention error

the same voxel was defined twice

probably missed hitting a key

okay, i just finished rechecking EVERY SINGLE RECIEPE 😓

for most of them the storage space now got x3-x5 sometimes x10

that will seriously reduce the need for storage

[radiant heart]

hope it helps solve production/supplying issues

[shell fiber]

but will allow haulers (squishy ones included) to run at a higher potential

yeah, that's the hope

[radiant heart]

kinda like the quifers, it's a bit sad to see a bot carry only one gear to fill it up 😅

[shell fiber]

ah, i didn't touch those

that's a different storage

but it's true that i should poke at that too

[radiant heart]

ATM I'm trying to figure out if in the end game you can totaly get rid of badwater, like remove the need of anything "decontamination related" the big issue is the glowyfluid line right now, need those mines to be able to run. Can the beavers get contaminated by feeding the firefly?

[shell fiber]

no, the firefly can eat them but not contaminate them 🤔

okay, time to try that bot crossing

[radiant heart]

Builder's lodge

[shell fiber]

oh if you find missing line breaks also

[radiant heart]

lol, bots can work at the lemonade stand 🤣

small aquifer doesn't like beeing flipped 😅

[shell fiber]

that is really weird, the district crossing apparently work, but those idiot bots keep taking at best 3 of whatever items they should

[radiant heart]

well, that looks like it's confirmed that (if firefly can only eat beavers) will still need badwater but all the decontamination stuff can go out the window!

[shell fiber]

oh, nice 🙂

[radiant heart]

still got 1 unwell, tho need to figure out what's happening 🤔

[shell fiber]

uuh

[radiant heart]

probably forgot a bucketting station somewhere

[shell fiber]

library ?

[radiant heart]

Ooo yeah, don't need to make science in there, but don't wanna loose the +3 🤔

[shell fiber]

i don't remember the full list of buildings that have a chance of causing contamination

[radiant heart]

librairy books then, just gotta be sure i have 0 storage for those, don't want my paper eaten in there

can they still get contaminated even if the receipe is the books tho?

like it's set on the building and not the receipe?

[sullen cape]

Oh I noticed that too but forgot

[shell fiber]

unfortunately yes

[shell fiber]

yep

[radiant heart]

so it's get contaminated beavers or get rid of the librairies.... not sure what i prefer to do 🤔

[shell fiber]

nah, you can set the library to duplicate book, but never actually use them, eventually it will clog and stop causing contamination

hmm

don't know if i really did anything significant, but this one is actually carrying a full stack of 30 pencils

[radiant heart]

crossings are a bit weird and didn't dig really deep in there, just tossed a bunch and more and more untill it worked

[shell fiber]

sadly i don't have access to the property that sets the storage space in the district crossing

i think they actually tend to split task between workers... which is nonsense

[radiant heart]

did you mess around with the decay of higher tier well-beeing stuff or it's still the same as always?

well, had 2 buckets i forgot in the "paradise district" that's where most my infected came from i guess😅

[shell fiber]

oh, it had slipped off my mind again

i need to rewrite the agora need righ

[radiant heart]

not a big deal, still hovering in the 90s, can't cross the 100, was hopping bots would help but still capping at 99 ( only 40 bots tho) but could remove 100 beavers, i guess once i get to 150~200 bots will be able to remove all the haulers beavers

Dance hall not super popular too

[shell fiber]

• Exercise plaza decay 0.4/d -> 0.1/d (saves 45min/day)
• Greater cooking tent decay 0.5/d -> 0.125/d (saves 45min/day)
• Lido decay 0.4/d -> 0.2/d (saves 30min/day)
• Dancehall (fruitbar) decay 0.4/d -> 0.2/d (saves 30min/day) (also doubled fruit bar need filling speed)

the others are early game attraction, don't want to touch them too much

btw do you actually see beavers IN the fruit bar / in the buffet canteen ?

[radiant heart]

sometimes, mostly the canteen, not really the bar, didn't see beavers IN but when looking at the popularity bar there is some slight toutches of green

[shell fiber]

hmm

yeah i need to rework those...

but i also need to poke at the nuclear power plant to see if i can get the capping mechanism to work

at long last !

[radiant heart]

geez, 7 coal giga drill and can't even reach 1k in stock 😅

back up to 8 contaminated... does the basic shroom maker contaminate beavers since it uses badwater to make the red shrooms? 🤔 good thing i didn't destroy the washing machines and decon agent makers 😅

[radiant heart]

that should be an acheivment 🤣

[shell fiber]

I think not

[radiant heart]

that's another one that would be nice to have in the description but way less important then the "can run without workers"

up to 62 bots BTW if you were curious 😉

[shell fiber]

Ah yeah right

But I would need to hunt back all of them

Definitely will do at some point

[shell fiber]

pretty happy with that setup 🙂

[shell fiber]

can you spot the tree planting order that will cause a catastrophe ? 😅

[sullen cape]

Is it the rubble that might get pushed under the irrigation tower?

[shell fiber]

nah rubble should not be an issue

that weird overhang though...

honestly i should have removed it a while ago

[sullen cape]

...I used it to for a water tank for the irrigation

[shell fiber]

yeah, but the irrigation tower has a dedicated worker who spends 90% of its time sitting on its bum, it really doesn't matter if water storage is far or close i think

[sullen cape]

Yeah makes sense 🙂

[shell fiber]

damn the waterfall flow limit is so #µ£$*$ infuriating

waterfall has 12 m3/s of flow, that is impossible to channel with less than a 5 wide watefall

but that requires blowing up half of the map

[sullen cape]

Doh

12/2.2 = 5.45 reoccurring, you you need 6 blocks if you're not pumping enough water

[shell fiber]

ah yes correct

[shell fiber]

one more update

probably not massively different from the last one

except for the needs rebalancing etc

time to give a shot at millenia 🙂

[sullen cape]

Good luck!

[radiant heart]

Hauler tower still stuck on botbeaver-only... 😢

Something still up with the mec pump, looks like the "plugs" are still there but not on the visual.
Like this shaft should be turning right? cauz it's not atm

it is ok on the other side , just that one voxel is not plugging

[shell fiber]

yes that's normal, it's a workplace for beavers 🙂

[radiant heart]

tought you said bots could go there and the "chilling zone"

[shell fiber]

at first i let the hauling tower too just in case

but the chillling zone can have megaplatforms placed on top

[radiant heart]

gonna stop looking if they can get bots at every update then 😂

[shell fiber]

ahah

yeah i didn't forget

[radiant heart]

at some point boosting carry cap for treb worker was a thing, is it still a maybe or not happening?

[shell fiber]

was that really necessary ?

[shell fiber]

fixed that

right now

[shell fiber]

let's just decrease the weight of rocks

5 -> 2

[radiant heart]

since the treb went from 5 per shot to 10 it makes sence that they can carry more, lowering the weight of rock should do the trick

[radiant heart]

is crossing supposed to be able to take bots on 3.4.3?

[radiant heart]

Funny thing, my beavers are soo boosted with the well-beeing bots actually look like they are moving at turtle speed 🤣

[shell fiber]

not the usual small crossing

the bot crossing is much larger

[radiant heart]

Holy SHIT! didn't notice it 😅

well, now how do i manage that, want bots only on one side of that 🤔

[radiant heart]

Can't reach the 3rd "X" now

Ooooo 😍 Nice!

[surreal moat]

how do you install the mod its broken for me

[shrewd horizon]

Lets download all necessary mods from mod.io manually end extract it to your plugin folder inside the game. Plugin folder is installed with BepInExPack (extract BepInExPack and run game after that). All guides are on the mod.io😏

[shell fiber]

if you can't get it running, post either a screenshot of your mod folder, or copy paste what the black log window says.
generally it inidicates what is missing

[radiant heart]

most of the times it's timbercommon that doesn't load the latest version, updating that one has a good shot at solving the problem

[cold wave]

will this work with Choo Choo?

[radiant heart]

sadly no, choo choo is not compatible

it was at some point but updates broke it, don't remember it was U3 or U4 that choo choo worked with the WB

[surreal moat]

ok ngl the mod is so confusing

[radiant heart]

Assembly line is not connection to a path on overhang platforms

sad day in Pinkertown

[abstract vector]

I cannot figure out the Forestry Hauling upgrade for the life of me. Anyone have a screenshot how you're supposed to set it up?

[radiant heart]

forester has to be on the left and any triagle top that can take the upgrade on the right

[radiant heart]

tought that would work... ( same result with the tall platform

[cold wave]

aww, thanks

[radiant heart]

I asked tobbert about it, someday probably but it's not a priority

[radiant heart]

looks like the last WellBeeing update or the bots got me over the 2 digits finally!

[cold wave]

idk if it's the base behaviour of them or some odd interaction with another mod but my entire growing area keeps getting overtaken by brambles 😭

[abstract vector]

I've found you have to quarantine all the brambles with paths as soon as you get into the game

I have no clue how to get Nenuphars though, I can't plant them with the large farmhouse

[shrewd horizon]

Use two deep water😉

[abstract vector]

I think I'm gonna unlock a drill and skip actually planting them lol, I like the florist exists

Ok, next thing I'm stumped on is the Nursing Liscense

[sullen cape]

Well the Nursing License is expensive, but you make it at the Library

[shrewd horizon]

Help... where to find PHDin Robotics for bots?

[sullen cape]

E N S

Last building in the science tab, a challenge to build

I like to think Water Beavers did it first! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3782180535349412

[shrewd horizon]

I don't think so.... i'm on 3.4.3 and ENS produce: metalLurgy, agronomy, science points and robotic controller...

Robotic controller thats is not PHD in robotisc right?

[sullen cape]

Yeah I haven't updated yet whoops, will have to have a look or someone else might answer for you

[shrewd horizon]

@radiant heart you now for sure where to find that scroll and start build =>

Unless... its bug that i cant find it?

[radiant heart]

that wasn't a thing when i did my bot factory on a previous version, i'd say it's the robotic control thing in the ENS, otherwise, no idea

[shrewd horizon]

So please check that. At this moment in my opinion not exist correct scroll

Or im blind😅

[radiant heart]

yeah, can't find it, maybe @shell fiber forgot to drop that PhD in the ENS, will have to ask him when he pops up

[stiff coyote]

How do you make explosives??

[radiant heart]

handicrafter, alchimist for nitro

Geez, that's quite a lifespan!

only 10% durability gone

welp, no wonder i still had contamination 🫣

100% forgot about that one

[shell fiber]

That has to do with the assembly line, or the building under it, not the platform

[shell fiber]

Oops 😅

Sorry all, I didn't check discord since yesterday evening, I'll fix the PhD in robotics soon, as well as the connection issue

[shell fiber]

since i had my hands in that thing, i also made the additionnal turbo juice reciepes for the assembly line

[shrewd horizon]

I also notice from some buldings gone corecct name fe: alchemist, woodburner

That knowing thing - to long name (alchemist.luck.name) and some recipe cant select

[shell fiber]

looks just fine to me

but i'll change them all to the small arrow

[shrewd horizon]

3.4.3

[shell fiber]

oh, maybe i did it just after pushing the update then 🤔

well that will be fixed bery soon

[shell fiber]

no kaboom, no apparent error : uploading 3.4.4

[regal temple]

Since last night, I can't load my game. I had seen about the update. So I've uninstalled everything through the installer, and reinstalled(and re-enabled everything through the installer. As there was still no joy there, uninstalled all via installer, and reinstalled all manually. I can start a new game with Water Beavers...just not load a previous game. 😦 Any suggestions please? I've done too much swearing to give up on all those beavers(who will doubtless soon be dead anyway, lol)! Cheers!

[regal temple]

Ooh - while its the latest update that I have manually installed, it was the previous update that I was running last night, that had been perfectly fine earlier that same day - so it shouldn't be specifically caused by the latest update. I've not added any mods or made any changes to my machine.

[regal temple]

Some further testing - it only seems to be the last couple of saves(phew!). Can't think if there is anything I built in that particular day, that I didn't already have. Happy to provide any logs if you want them!

[radiant heart]

🤣 assembly line production productivity:1% those guys spend theyr life carrying stuff around

(and yes even with buuilding prioritized by haulers)

[sullen cape]

Got any errors in BepinEx? 🙂

I personally don't use mod manager to update the mod

[radiant heart]

mod manager won't update it, need to go delete the file and redownload latest version

[radiant heart]

Little display issue here

[shell fiber]

Not sure what happened but manual installs are generally better, glad to see all seems to be back in working condition though 👍

[shell fiber]

Yeah but that's also because the recipe runs in like 10 in game seconds 😅

I could make it slower but then the efficiency gain as compared to just building 4 handicrafters melts really fast

I'll poke at the calculations again sometime

[shell fiber]

7hp ??? 😱

[sullen cape]

!

[shell fiber]

I'll add the icons next time

[shrewd horizon]

Question: it is bug or not the WB heavy battery cost exactly the same as normal battery?

[shell fiber]

Oh I completely forgot to change the cost, oops 😬

So not a bug, strictly speaking

[radiant heart]

yeah because it's not running , it's full so smart power reduce the demande while it's on idle

you can't see the "too much products" thiing under my yellow line that's it

[radiant heart]

also the order, shouldn't be the best one on the further right? (kinda like anything else in the game)

[shrewd horizon]

@radiant heart You use smart power with WB?

[radiant heart]

yes

[shrewd horizon]

Its worth it?

[radiant heart]

yes, specially on smaller maps where power is limited.
power needs for WB is quite intense, having the buildings that are not producing on idle gives a chance.

[shrewd horizon]

You meant to say limited space for power generation. BTW smart power is great mod

[radiant heart]

with the engines it's a bit less of an issue but prior to that beeing limited to water produced power could bottleneck your production fast

[shrewd horizon]

Ok... at some point f game solarPanels is great option IMHO

[radiant heart]

yeah solar too but still needs space, engines beeing stackable is the more reliable power ( don't even have one 🤣 )

[shrewd horizon]

Ok... WB can stack engines? I didn't even know

😆

[radiant heart]

yeah the model let's you tower them up

But that line of waterwheels + enough storages i have no need for engines, solar, even my abusive nuclear power plan is always on idle

Like this is only a decoration at that point 🤣

[radiant heart]

this one also

[radiant heart]

Chilling zone not connecting

[radiant heart]

think it's the usual suspect, need that "square" in front, ballon landing pads are connecting on top of gigastorages

[radiant heart]

I love and Hate that assembly line so much of both at the same time. super usefull, the design is awesome but path managment is the biggest annoying thing you came up with in a long while 😅

[radiant heart]

LOOOOLLLLLLLLL Dafuq is that one, never seen it? they got a chance of beeing killed in the nurseryclinic?

[radiant heart]

🤔 Why does a gaZ extractor needs a worker?

[radiant heart]

(where do I start a petition to bring back the "Z"?)

[radiant heart]

the swap is done, thanks for the early bird rebate ! 🤣

[distant wigeon]

This sounds like the consequences of dabbling with Uranium.

[wispy crypt]

Harvester's Cottage doesn't have the bonus/benefits that Harvester's Office has

Is it a bug?

[shrewd horizon]

Fermentor house work without beaver

[shell fiber]

For once I didn't really intend to make it shitty though, it just... Happened 😅

[shell fiber]

Ahahah 🤣

This is the death message for mild disease I think, but I wasn't sure it could actually happen since mild disease are contracted in workplaces and most of them don't give more than a fraction of the negative need

[shell fiber]

Probably just forgot

[static rivet]

Really looking forward to trying out this mod, I really like the depth of the tech tree, though it's a bit daunting in comparison to the relative simplicity of the main game but am looking forward to it when the mod is a bit more complete

[shell fiber]

well it's really close to completion at this point, the early game is not going to change much anymore

[shell fiber]

yes, there is a bunch of buildings that don't require constant supervision to work. the mushroom grower does that too, but now it should be indicated in the description

[static rivet]

Yes. I've been following the updates constantly 🙂 I'm close to finishing a modded IT play through but it's getting a bit boring now as there is not much to do once you have 'solved' the badwater, even on hard. Looking forward to a different challenge with more gameplay systems and variables to balance 🦫

[radiant heart]

you're so good at beeing evil now you don't even think about it 😂

[radiant heart]

sure gonna have fun with WB + hard mode 😉

[radiant heart]

when you play long enough everything will happen!

[radiant heart]

Giga drill for salt plz? it's getting a bit ridiculous the amount of small mines you need at some point 😉

or i guess some sort of "in water" mech thingny assuming the water is a bit salty 🤔

[radiant heart]

How about giving those "triangle roof upgrades" the "roof" bonus?

like this is dumb but still better and more compact/popefficient

even the basic building could have the bonus since they have a nice roof 🤷‍♂️

maybe it's just me but IMO that one should be better

[radiant heart]

How about a "purifiying station 50 gold bars+ ... whatever, 3x3 and sits on top of a badwater source. with "awe" bonus "you won ?" ok it's dumb but would be a nice "you did it but you ain'T done milestone"

[sullen cape]

Heh the dam drain house seems to be nerfed, but it still says 3 cubic metres per second, what's the new value? (assuming it has indeed been nerfed)

[sullen cape]

Surely you have plenty of dynamite 😂 💥 🧨

I might take a liberty here, I think the new storage amounts for the earlygame stuff feel quite powerful, I used to have to remember to have enough materials to produce say Mushrooms overnight 🙂

Edit: at least I don't think I have to prioritise them by haulers anymore, so I'll take it

[radiant heart]

mountain salt not salpeter 😉

[sullen cape]

Haha I mean to dynamite out more minesites

[sullen cape]

Once in a blue moon (very occasionally) I get the death message described by this line:
Lapantouflemagic.Injury.DeathMessage,<color=green>got eaten up by heavy machinery and died</color>,159

That's a funny LoTR reference you snuck in there too 😂

[outer holly]

1st drought kicked my ass! had enough berries for 1 adult and 1 child. Now I have 2 adults and 1 child, so in this save, there is a lore reason why they are albino lol

[radiant heart]

2 beavers and a dream, that's all you need!

[outer holly]

humble beginnings, cabbage and tree farm. And plenty of water from the ancestors

[radiant heart]

been there a couple times, those ancestors are nice when they leave you a bunch of stuff

[outer holly]

WELP with only 3 beavers, the next drought will be EASY

[radiant heart]

that's what i thought, gotta be mindfull about your reserves, at least it can't be a badtide, yet...

[outer holly]

shhhhhhh

[radiant heart]

🤷‍♂️

[outer holly]

first baby since the "Incident"

[radiant heart]

"we don't talk about 'the incident'tm "
-RCE 2024

[outer holly]

MHMM

3 sapient beavers starting an outpost with cabbage and blueberries as their only food. Time to make it a D&D locale

[radiant heart]

water and cabages, that's all they need, rice balls is a nice bonus once you can do some

[outer holly]

gonna base em off of Castoroides Ohioensis

The size of Halflings

[radiant heart]

Ooo yeah those massive 10ft tall beavers

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[outer holly]

i wonder if i can make a family tree off this

get it?

lol

[outer holly]

this family tree

[radiant heart]

not gonna talk about it but those reboom are some really bad insest pools

[outer holly]

the difference between hoomans and beavers

[radiant heart]

need the IT breeding pods 🤣

[outer holly]

i'm literally just basing this on the housing the moment a baby pops up lol

[radiant heart]

like it, tought about it but too busy keeping them alive to actually do it , good job!

[outer holly]

and since the game doesn't really seperate genders, i have to make do lol

[outer holly]

I wish there was a way to assign permanent housing, so the adults don't move out or change housing unless it's to leave their parents

[chilly nacelle]

What is that?

[outer holly]

ever seen a yoga class before?

[chilly nacelle]

No

[outer holly]

the green things are beaver yoga mats

[chilly nacelle]

Oh I see.

[outer holly]

lmao, I'm guessing anyways

my son pointed it out lol

[chilly nacelle]

I'm guessing everything in here is about this mod?

[outer holly]

yea

[chilly nacelle]

That's a shame. It adds very interesting things but I don't want to change the water or anything

[outer holly]

the water doesn't change from my experiance

they are called Water beavers because almost all their buildings are Levees

[chilly nacelle]

Is everything they have restricted to just them?

[outer holly]

no, sadly. But it says on the other "clans" that the mod is installed and will make them wierd

I just enable and Disable whenever i want/don't want to play them lol

Family tree getting kind of funky

the yellow X is for when one of them decides to die

[radiant heart]

would have to ask lapan if there is a way to turn off "housing optimized2

[outer holly]

you know i honestly forgot i had that installed lol

[radiant heart]

it's a depedencie for the WB

[radiant heart]

so they are reptiles?

[outer holly]

idk. I was originally assuming the genders of them based on housing, But Colovux and Khajaki (previously both labeled as Female) had a child, so. . . .

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-action-mighty-morphin-huh-no-idea-gif-3517910

Then again, I'm autistic and the separation of genders these days has been confusing me. Like I get sexuality, but biological genders?

Meh, this isn't the place to get into this lol

my wife has assured me that i am wrong on every count there LOL

[outer holly]

I got to 21 beavers, and I missed one

so here is the final draft

[radiant heart]

someone spent a night out with ? 🤣

[sullen cape]

Beavers are true hermaphrodites, like breeding animals in Minecraft 😂

I dreamt I run out of supplies in my backup district, again 😅

[shell fiber]

It's an entirely new faction so they have their own food, their own production chain and everything.

The most important changes are that you don't have levee blocks, instead most buildings are levees and houses, and science actually costs resources to make instead of the "build a few science huts and forget them forever" of the other factions.

And lastly there is a lot more resource variety and tech progression in this mod, so it's a lot harder than other factions

[shell fiber]

still somewhere on my to-do list 😅

[shell fiber]

wasn't there a balloon trader that can bring tons of salt ?

[outer holly]

I have yet to play this game vanilla lol
I love how the Dams state "built as is beavers of old used to" but it uses nailes and screws and such lol

and thank BEAVER JESUS for the irrigation systems lol

[shell fiber]

well at least in terms of design 😉
but it's also to guide people in to rebuilding the district center first

[outer holly]

honestly better than just dumping 60 logs in a river and hoping they cluster

i love how challenging they make the Diorama map because of the need to plan everything

[shell fiber]

ahah 😅

i think diorama will be an exercise in patience more than anything, gotta keep the population low

[outer holly]

i figured since i lost everyone except 1 adult and 1 child lol

I have yet to try it on Hard lol

[shell fiber]

uuh, hard mod is not really something i recommend but sure 😅

[radiant heart]

yeah, right like if I need more of those 😅

[radiant heart]

the big issue on hard is the power mamagment, WB don't really have a reliable power source until quite late in the tech tree, they depend on water flowing a lot in the early/mid game

[shell fiber]

should it bring more ? right now it's 20/loop, i can up to 50

then i need to remake the hindenburg 😅

[radiant heart]

even there, at 50 by 3 day gonna need an army of those, got like 10-12 smalll mines and it's not cutting it

[shell fiber]

well to be fair with 1500 pop many things are not going to scale efficiently

for example you have like 100 kitchens right ?

first one is yet another lumberjack

second one is yet another harvester

also, i added the roof effect to farm upgrades

[radiant heart]

32

for the mechanized ones, think somewhere around 30 too of the non-mech ones and 12~15 coocking tents.
9-10 great coocking tent but need a bit more of those

[radiant heart]

1,4k, slowly bringgning pop down 😉

[radiant heart]

should be able to chop out another close to 100 when i figure out how to replace the presses in my dam by assembly lines

[rare ferry]

Did the bad water pipes get removed?

[shell fiber]

bad water pipes ? you mean the shower-like attachment to the 3x4 bad water pump ?

[rare ferry]

Ya, the one that let it reach down into deep reservoirs. I cant find it anymore and didnt know if it got moved somewhere or if its just gone.

[radiant heart]

it's gone, with the bucketing station there is no need for that, was an old relic of the past

[radiant heart]

Looks like something is up with the depth detection on the drain house, or now it needs to be at least 1 blockunder?

noting a little dynamite won't solve!

[rare ferry]

Well I had need of it.

[radiant heart]

at that point just get it from the small aquifer, will avoid contaminating your beavers

[shell fiber]

well the rationnale for this thing was that there was some maps (typically plateau) in which bad water was essentially inaccessible early on because it was far lower than the starting space. but since then i realized that there was simply no way around this issue, and since i made other types of bad water pumps i figured this thing has no reason to exist anymore

but yes, now the small aquifer pump can also pump bad water

[shell fiber]

enough playing for now, got my first exploration balloon up in the air, preparing location for a second landing pad

[shell fiber]

new update posted btw 🙂

[shrewd horizon]

@shell fiber please update the changelog (in free time if you have any😁) because we don't know what's new

Canteen and fruits bar.... three recipes with identical ingredients? Thats is todo yes?

[radiant heart]

nan, it's to help not chug down all your foods when starting it

they don't have the same amount of stocking

[radiant heart]

it is on mod.io think mod manager just can't get that much text in

[radiant heart]

Those still don't work after the update, do they have to be completely submerged now with the nerf? didn't have that issue before

[rare ferry]

Did the treated planks get removed as well?

[radiant heart]

Nope

(alchimist)

[rare ferry]

👍

[shell fiber]

oh, right the billboard 😅

had completely forgot about this

tbh it's kind of a drag to keep updated

[shell fiber]

hmm...🤔 not sure what the issue is, i didn't change anything major on those recently

but the water capacity is reduced

[shell fiber]

i don't think anything in this mod requires treated planks (i think that's a pointless ressource) but if you have supplementary mods, maybe

[radiant heart]

it's very strange, some on the other side of the map are not submerged but do actually pump 🤔

[shell fiber]

maybe you have something blocking the entrance ? or the exit ?

[radiant heart]

could it be the overhang of the assembly line beeing considered a "watertight" and it blocks the flow under?

on the entrance it's platforms and shafts, almost always have something like that on the others that work properly

Just tought about it, didn't connect the house part to a path yet since it was in the testing, does the house part beeing not connected prevents the drain from pumping?

[shell fiber]

i don't think i messed that up, is there water flowing inside the building ?

[shell fiber]

and no, that shouldn't be an issue

[radiant heart]

can't look that up atm, in a bit of a messy thing i need to figure out for work.

Last i checked they were not turning and the little water bump near the entry was not there

[radiant heart]

frog statues and flywheels need those, don't see anything else ( well, mudbaths but you got rid of those)

[radiant heart]

that one is not even under the assembly line 🤔

could it be the ladder blocking the outflow?

removed it and nope.. really strange

worst case i'll just delete them all and drop in mech pumps 😅

[radiant heart]

RE: well-beeing, now hovering around 105, 107~8ish max, but been pinning decorations all over the place so a bit hard to see if the slower decay helped that much now that i think about it 🤔

[rare ferry]

The frog statue did, which Im not sure if its a required mod at the moment. Also the Fountain of Joy does which I dont think requires a mod.

[distant wigeon]

Frog Statue is made by someone else, and is not a requirement for this mod, is my understanding.

[radiant heart]

frog is a mod but not the fountain

[shell fiber]

The fountain is a leftover from the folktails, like a few other decorative things

I'll poke at that... Someday 😅

[radiant heart]

unlock the IT ones PLZ?🫣

[shell fiber]

Well I could, but ideally I should make whitepaw-specific variants 😉

[sullen cape]

My unlimited dam drain ones work, but it's 0.5 flow rate instead of 3 😅 . But that does make sense keeping it in line with the other late game water pumps. Are cannons 0.5 cms as well?

[radiant heart]

F that, i'm scrapping all the drain houses, need to lower my~~ pumps ~~pop anyway and nuclear is not even running 🤣

[radiant heart]

(btw this is still not connecting)

[shell fiber]

Oh right

[shell fiber]

What are those wooden stands on the right ?

Oh Hollywood letters

[shell fiber]

I think the exact value is 0.15 but sometimes it's really not clear to me what it means 😅

[sullen cape]

I used the ||Dev mode|| and the results from the dam drain were identical to the mechanical water pump at 0.5 measured by a Stream Gauge (finally remembered the name)

[radiant heart]

Yeah, big signs

[shrewd horizon]

An alternative to sunflower oil would be useful. I noticed that at a later stage of the game we won't go further without a huge field of sunflowers. Mayby some synthetic version...

[radiant heart]

with enough CW farms i'm not even planting sunflowers anymore 😉 combined with the nuclear press it works

[shrewd horizon]

I only notice sunflowers are everywhere... in food, oil, mechanical parts like drill, dynamite as a part of nitroglicerine...

and of course tar

[radiant heart]

Yeah they are heavily used, need a lot of planting space for sure up to the point you can get the vertical farming

biggest issue is beavers eating it before you can use it to produce other stuff, need to overproduce

[shrewd horizon]

The resin has its own synthetic version... maybe sunflower oil too ... a building similar to an oil refinery🤣

[shrewd horizon]

The same with grapes

[radiant heart]

yup grapes too but wine is i think the most powerfull well-beeing boost makes sence that it is a bit hard to get there

[shrewd horizon]

It doesn't matter that you have thousands of other foods. beavers still attack grapes or sunflowers

[radiant heart]

they go for the one they don't have , if you don't produce much they just get one bite and it doesn't fill up the green bar to the top

that run i did grapes super late on a large field and it was way easier to manage instead of just making a tiny patch that creates chaos with all the beavers running around for one bite of grapes

[shrewd horizon]

We need this 😅

[heavy lodge]

Maybe, a new farm, only for sunflowers, with an additional farm upgrade on top (serving as oil press)🤔

[radiant heart]

sounds like a nuclear press with CW sunflower on to of it 😉

[heavy lodge]

Is not environmental friendly to use mineral oil. Organic one, IS ....

[shrewd horizon]

We spoke about beavers used nuclea waste? 😁

[heavy lodge]

Nuclear waste, usually goes underground, mineral oil into the water, so .... 🐸

[outer holly]

0.o haven't seen this before:

[sullen cape]

Om nom nom nom

[radiant heart]

flipable assembly line would be neat if not too much of a mess to do 😉

[sullen cape]

BTW, you know what I think is harder to deal with than hard mode? Districts. Making Kimchi? Nah, the beavers eat all the cabbage rather than export it haha. As soon as I grew cabbage in the same district that I was making Kimchi it worked a lot better. ||Stop. Eating. The. Sunflower seeds gawd damit||

[radiant heart]

that and the grapes, grape juice when you start to kickstart the wine production 😉

[abstract vector]

Prioritize with haulers my dude

[shrewd horizon]

A mysterious riddle... how to take beavers on a balloon trip

[radiant heart]

not sure if it's still a thing now that the balloons have the "balloon aura"

would have to ask lapan when he pops up

[outer holly]

especially since cabbages barely give any hunger, so they eat a SHIT TON of it

[outer holly]

doesn't matter when a single adult on normal mode eats 10 cabbage each

[outer holly]

I don't understand

he died durring the day lol

[outer holly]

GUYS, I'm dumb and blind and can't find where to make Scaffolding for platforms

[radiant heart]

Architect

[outer holly]

thank you!

[radiant heart]

yw

[outer holly]

omg i went through a baby boom earlier so now all my adults are dying at all once

[sullen cape]

Haulers don't work cross-district lol. I do haul to storage near district crossings though

[radiant heart]

Ok, fine, i give up, no clue how my beavers are getting contaminated still ( even got a kid contaminated🤔 )

[sullen cape]

River surging? Turn off the library as kits can visit? Not sure

[radiant heart]

No surge, and lapan said that if the librairy is not producing stuff beavers don't get infected

[sullen cape]

I'd turn off buildings one by one and see when you stop getting contamination

[radiant heart]

that's gonna take ages 😅

[sullen cape]

Yup

[sullen cape]

Maybe it's the bad shrooms

[radiant heart]

they can eat the bad shrooms?

[sullen cape]

Making the bad shrooms?

[radiant heart]

kids are not making those tho, that's where i'm getting really confused with the kid getting contaminated

5-6 contaminated on 1,4k is not a big deal, just annoying

[sullen cape]

BTW your map is incredably well done

[regal temple]

Ooh, what mod are you using to get that much of a zoom out?

I also can't find how to get the glowing fluid. 😕 I know it comes from fireflies, but can't find the bits in between the imported larvae and use of the fluid?
Cheers!

[shell fiber]

Hi all, i haven't been on the computer so much lately, some trouble with my job (again)

[shell fiber]

oh, i may have forgot about his one yeah, i don't know if i will keep it or not at the moment

[shell fiber]

cabbage fills 0.3 hunger, just like most other foods, but eating them raw fill very little the cabbage need, it's better to cook them.

[shell fiber]

Oooh, right i had forgot about that !
well hum... you have a certain number of beavers living in nuclear reactors pushed to overdrive, that may have a tiny chance of side effects 😅

[shell fiber]

if you open cheat mode, there is a bunch of option like freecam, remove fog etc

and the glowing fluid is made in the firefly grooming station, it's a triangle-shaped icon in the "advanced buildings" tab

[shell fiber]

found the error causing that, probably

i'm trying to poke at the thing that allow water sources to stay open during droughts to keep the nuclear power plant from shutting down, but it's a gigantic clusterf*ck

i mean the property required is trivial

but the nuclear power plant is a clusterf*ck

[radiant heart]

lol, that's what i tought since all my contaminated are living in there but at the same time it's so much housing oods are they willl live in there and might have missed some. Even if the reactors are not working tho ?

[radiant heart]

think it can go away, you replaced it with the aura anyway 🤷‍♂️

[radiant heart]

anyway can start "pausing" the houses, don't think it's cheating since the reactor is never running and is just a cool decoration, unless i remove all the water wheels... could help my framerate, maybe🤔

[radiant heart]

it's not as easy as tweeking the IT's badwater thingny that lets them flow during the droughts?

[radiant heart]

Don't stress about it, mod is running fine for 99% of the stuff and it's really just some minor things here and there 😉 Happy to see you pop up!

[shell fiber]

not sure, it's a beehive aura

[radiant heart]

since there is not much in that zone, if it's not to go to bed there is no real reasons for beavers to go to the nuclear power plant

[shell fiber]

i got it to work... sort of. i can force open or close the reactor negative source, but it still produces power when forced closed so that sucks

[shell fiber]

oh, no the aura is very tiny, it's just affecting the beavers living inside or in immediate proximity

but it only affects them at night

since it's a living place, not a workplace

[radiant heart]

can't you just force it to be always on and hide the button in the UI?

[radiant heart]

so if i pause all the housing there contamination should go byebye ?

[shell fiber]

well UI stuff is complicated

but maybe a custom script can do the trick

like the bad water rig force closes a source

without possibility of opening it

so it should be quite easy to make a variant of that that forces it open

aaah, i see, the FT bad water dome can only force close but otherwise the bad water source still dries up during drougts

but the IT bad water dome can force it open or close irrespective of the season

well, i asked about that in the water extension mod

Oh

i just had a terrible, terrible idea

[heavy lodge]

Hope not a rig for water source 🤣

[shell fiber]

the aquifer pump would be a lot more fun if instead of being a water pump, it was a water source 😁

[shell fiber]

that would be pretty easy to do actually 😉

[heavy lodge]

Nope, will spill sometimes bad water, or not ?

[shell fiber]

uuuh

now that you mention it...

yes, that would happen

hmm...

[radiant heart]

mheeee, that removes the whole point of lowering pop in the late game

the idea is cool tho but would make it another building entirely instead of changing that one

[shell fiber]

well yes

hmm...

well, that is a complicated thing to do, for an other time

okay, gotta go to bed

see you later !

[radiant heart]

well, no more beavers in the nuclear facility, just chopped the paths, will see how that goes

up to 200 homeless tho but need to lower my pop so it's a good start to chop out 280 beds

[outer holly]

my 8 year old was watching me play and asked "So, droughts mean that the water evaporates, and Badtides are dirty water from humans that are now dead. How do the wet seasons come back if it never rains?"

I'm was like "dude i'm playing a game of sapient beavers, that question is above my paygrade."

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-pinch-so-fluffy-gif-15488998239354870297

[outer holly]

been playing for 81.3 hours and i JUST realized I coan drag the "demolish buildings" selection...

[radiant heart]

we've all been there 😉

[shell fiber]

To be honest he's right, kind of weird that it never rains 😅

[outer holly]

It would be a really cool feature

so like wet season, dry season, badtides. And like every day in the wet season has a 1% chance of flash flooding cuz the rain

I put it in suggestions

[distant wigeon]

I thought someone was making a rain mod...

[radiant heart]

looks like it worked, 0 contaminated for a couple days now since they don't have access to the nuclear power plant 🎉

[radiant heart]

Kinda sad that doesn't work, would have made really nice spot for decorations + lights for under to avoid accidents!

Is is possible tho to manage ? i love my giant pillars under with bridges and all but with the pipes able to go 10 deep there is not much ways to "platform" a path without getting into the badwater🤔

at that point it's a bunch of ladders on top of the pillars but.... or giant pillars beeing stackables is the simple solution i suppose

[shell fiber]

not sure i understand, you would like a 3 wide half giant log bridge ? that's pretty easy to do

[shell fiber]

i kind of like my shaft skybridge 🙂

probably enough beavers for today

[shell fiber]

new version up, although quite minor

a few icons

the bot standby zone access issue

and the 3 long giant log bridge

also, getting enough rice and nenuphars on medium-small maps is...difficult

i'll probably make an irrigation tower-like thing that doesn't irrigate (obviously) but hasten the growth speed of rice and lotuses (probably will consume saltpeter, because nitrates are fertilizer)

but maybe that's not a real issue

just...build more, terraform more

anyway, good night !

[outer holly]

Gonna to do an Easy run, to try and do some building designs

[radiant heart]

if it can be placed there

[radiant heart]

get to the CW farms and stack those up to the clouds!

[shell fiber]

i'm starting to realize that scientifically accurate alcool distillation ratios might not be the best for a game

i think i'll up all strong alcohol production by 50ish %

like amazake distillation 7 -> 10

could go higher but for now that will do

[shell fiber]

oh, right, one more thing

i know some people kind of like them, but the dam drain houses are probably going to go depreciated

I.E: will still exist, but will no longer be buildable

i prefer people to rely on water cannons to be honest

and also because they are a complicated mess that often dysfunction

[radiant heart]

well, sake and wine should turn out more strong alcool then beer since it's normally at a higher %age

[shell fiber]

yeah i think the calculation i made was that half-fermented sake (amazake) and beer were likely 7% alcohol or something, so 100 volumes of that would give one volume of pure ethanol

but that was too much of a miserable yield

so i doubled it

and i took 12-14% for wine, so double

for now in my run, it worked quite respectably, but even with a lot of rice farming, i think the bottleneck is strong alcohol for the production of brain salts

now i'm trying to save up 2k science for the ENS

but i also foolishly went and unlocked giant sequoias and such

which i have actually little use for

[radiant heart]

for the medecine stuff too still one of the thing i need to up my prodution on my run

[shell fiber]

let's increase the output of the reciepes

[shell fiber]

oh i also moved strong alcohol to the drinkable inventory list, but it's not actually drinkable

it's just too hard to find it otherwise

[shell fiber]

i'm trying to add a new something you might like, but at the moment i'm struggling to find a nice-looking material

[radiant heart]

to replace the wooden dence?

[shell fiber]

nah, just to have something to do with all that gold 😅

they would give a decoration buff tho

if i feel motivated enough maybe i'll try to poke at the statues and such

[shell fiber]

looks good now !

[shell fiber]

time to sleep !
GN !

[radiant heart]

GN

[rare ferry]

I cant remember if I've asked this before but is there a way to show the grapes that are ready to pick on the vine? Its hard to tell if I need more gathers in the vineyard.

[radiant heart]

Big grapes mode plz!

[shell fiber]

Ah, hmm... Well the grapes actually show but I agree it's not very visible. I'll see what I can do

[shrewd horizon]

@shell fiber Let me remind you about balloon trips🙂

[shell fiber]

Probably going to remove it, there is already to many activities for beavers to do, and three balloon platforms act as decorations with the sake intent

[shell fiber]

I...uuh... i don't know what to say for myself 🤣

Statue of waterboarding

[sullen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/bowser-bowser-jr-dont-watch-dont-look-age-restriction-gif-22819362

[radiant heart]

love it !

[radiant heart]

the "Dunking" monument🤣

[radiant heart]

ain't waterboarding with a towel on the face and a more laying down position for the middle beaver? 🤔

[radiant heart]

100% too bad i'm at max depth 😅 unless the reactor or the chimney can support it it's too low for my set-up ( ok might destroy one and do it just for shits and giggles 😉

they don't like to have a bridge under tho

IMO they should have some sort of decoration buff, the 4 long goes so nicely over small mines 😉

it's basicaly a "deluxe" lantern

[shell fiber]

Actually yes (had to look it up), but the gist of it is to cause simulate drowning, so maybe that counts ? 😅

[radiant heart]

need to talk with my lawyer before i give a reply on that one 🤣

[shell fiber]

Could do, I'll think about it

[shell fiber]

Oh nice !

I should also redo the colours on those roofs

[radiant heart]

next door mining i'm not sure what will go on top or stay like that

[shell fiber]

Looks fine like that

[radiant heart]

and.. because why not

[radiant heart]

anyway no one works there so they don't need an aura

[rare ferry]

Are the small beams that are used for building spiral staircases disabled in Water Beavers? If so is it not possible to build a spiral staircase?

[radiant heart]

i have a few of them around

the one with the sorta giant log in the middle?