Water Beaver Overhaul

[radiant heart]

Just tought about it, Dynamite in the kart could be brought back down to 6 since the irrigation towers are back in

[shell fiber]

already done 🙂

[radiant heart]

and Done! next wet season all that is getting grenned up!

just need to figure out waht to do with it 😂

almost did a big woopsie and use up all my dam BPs, made me think about some sort of "BP Vault" or Archive building that would basically require all the BPs to get built but once done it can create one out of thin air (but loooong) as a failsafe. Or could even replace the copy/artist late game and create fancy BPs right away

[shell fiber]

dear god you monster 😅
you can use dam + dam upgrades you know 😅

[radiant heart]

i want to be able to open up if i flood upstream

[shell fiber]

yeah i thought about something like that

[shell fiber]

just build two floodgates variants and the rest can be static 😅

[radiant heart]

would look weird, i like it like that 😝

[shell fiber]

i thought i had made a good job making it so they could coexist nicely next to each other 😅

but if you feel like paying the extra cost, feel free to 🙂

[radiant heart]

the utility update is not a dam anymore, could have done with dams if it was the case

[radiant heart]

got the production to do it so...

[shell fiber]

not a floodgate you mean ?

[radiant heart]

yeah, floodgate

[shell fiber]

since i added a bunch of recipes that require saltpeter in the abyss lab, i figures an extra source of saltpeter would be neat

[radiant heart]

true

[shell fiber]

so i ended up reading about the haber-bosh process to make nitrate (saltpeter) out of thin air

since we have hydrogen, it is chemically plausible 🙂

so the distillery has a new reciepe

[radiant heart]

cool

[shell fiber]

it can't be in a building that otherwise consumes saltpeter (hauler glitch)

so there's only so many choices

the other option was a saltpeter drill, but that's not really how saltpeter is made

it seeps up from the rock, but does not exist in large veins as far as i know

[radiant heart]

there are not that many that use salpeter, i guess the alchimist would have been the other one making sense but can't be

[shell fiber]

yep exactly

if everything is working, i can upload an update in 5 min

the giga storage is a separate mod though

that will likely have to wait tomorrow evening

[radiant heart]

no biggie, still got all the other storages all over the place

and was more to give it a try, don't really like the place i dropped those after seeing it

will move closer to the ruins since a lot of my production is getting moved there

[shell fiber]

ah, i forgot the text key for the reciepe

oh, well, whatevr

nex update

[radiant heart]

figured out what cause that?

[shell fiber]

i see nothing abnormal in the banana tree properties

[radiant heart]

can't remember if it started at 3.3.5 or 3.3.6

[shell fiber]

it's probably comming from timbercommons if you ask me

[radiant heart]

maybe, anyway, as long as it doesn't crash the game 🤷‍♂️

The ginormous storage only has the mid hole door right? like you can't get in by a side

[shell fiber]

nope

because everything good has to be *slightly * inconvenient 😅

okay, new version is up !

[radiant heart]

aright let's see

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

did you update the other mods or only WB?

[shell fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-teapot-nuke-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-test-nuclear-footage-gif-15618232923822161090

[radiant heart]

I feel personaly attacked... coconuts for balm, like the only trade i don't have going atm

[shell fiber]

well you gotta use something creamy 😅

i take it no kaboom 🙂

[radiant heart]

nope

[shell fiber]

actually my GF will only come around 12h so i'll be around tomorrow morning 🙂

[radiant heart]

that salpeter is quite pricy tho in the distillery, doesn't seem worth it

[shell fiber]

yeah, i don't really know

but it's in case you want to get rid of the small mines

[radiant heart]

it's back to the stuff from ruins beeing limited, the 10 hydro is really the issue

[shell fiber]

if you have the ressource it can produce with less workforce

[shell fiber]

i thought hydrogen pumping was really fast ?

[radiant heart]

5-6/h

[shell fiber]

and the distillery consumes 10 / 2.5 h

so one should be fine to feed one

[radiant heart]

yeah but you need it for other stuff too

[shell fiber]

hydrogen ?

true

eh, it's fine, you don't need it running all the time

i guess

or i can make the gaz pump work at night too

[radiant heart]

will look a bit deeper into it later, need to get some work done

[shell fiber]

okidoki

i'll go to bed then

GN

[radiant heart]

GN

[twilit trench]

Gnite!

Ya know... is it just me or does the hauling sytsem not know how to handle dirt?

[radiant heart]

what do you mean?

your drills are getting cloged up with dirt?

[twilit trench]

Yarp >.< Got two hauling towers, and am dumping it into terrain blocks very close to the production source... just noticed that each hauler even buffed can only carry 3 dirt at a time

[radiant heart]

it's builders you need for the terrain blocks

[twilit trench]

that tower is taking forever as my "stairway to heven" to get to the access point is taking 9000 years to complete... seems like the same bug in the stackable housing (that stops more then 2 high stacks from being connected to paths) will happen with the stairs, unless there's something they can access. I think building a 2-wide stack should allow it to be built, but OY!

Err, sorry, "ladder" to calrify

[radiant heart]

they can't build straight above them, need some sort of scafolding when you try and build ladders more then 2high from the ground

the eassy way is just 2 sets of ladders side by side and you destroy one when done. other options are the scafolding/giant pillars

[twilit trench]

Aye, I came across the 2 wide ladder function and am using that, haven't had much opportunity to play with pillars yet

wish you could "stack" the pillars, cant get more then half way up the Construction tower with those it seems

[twilit trench]

I guess my question for a balance perspective, is could the "weight" of dirt be reduced some to allow more to be carried per trip per beaver?

That or invent the wheelbarrow

[radiant heart]

the builder tower is not that good on buffs, might wanna prioritizy tower lodge builder, they are way better

think it's +200% carry cap on those

[twilit trench]

aye

[radiant heart]

builder towers is good if you got too many beavers and mega building project, specially someting far from town with the extre walking speed, other then that, not so great

[radiant heart]

So, ( while assuming you got a max of 1 ruin) this is the basic you can't get away from, 1 for Hydro, one for nuclear and the tourism stuff because well beeing is import, from that point how good/bad are the options for the other 4? 🤔

right of the bat storage is a luxury item for maps you've got more then one

end game, 2 labs required (balm and alcool)

now got 2 spots left but need gears, blades and screw axels 🤔

and paper ....

in theory can ditch the blades and don't do Blossom farms (getting logs from giant logs but that means the huge sawmill can't be deleted)

didn't mention drillbits since it's the same amount of workers as the factory but at some point you also need pop space so.. yeah, those are staying in the factory

i guess it's gears and axels

(Btw something is messed up on the display) can't pick anything after scafolding

think the place name is too long

Final Awnser :

now... balance...

[rare ferry]

Just got 3.3.7 to work and noticed the 1 high industrial storage pile is gone. Can we have that back? I know a few of the items might have poked through the top, but I'd much rather have a small meaningless graphical glitch then lose vertical building options.

[radiant heart]

honestly tho gonna ditch those once the ginormous one is fixed, but yeah the 2high is a bit shitty

[shell fiber]

oh, okay, if people prefer it this way 😅

[radiant heart]

side note for the Kabooms, looks like the reactor is not sucking water anymore, had a little overflow accident after the update

good thing i did all those in dams afterall 😅

[shell fiber]

how is that even possible ?

it's supposed to be permanently destroying water

[radiant heart]

No1, it doesn't destroy water during droughts, it turns of like any water source

(taht is there since day 1)

but now it doesn't even destroy water period

i din't mess with the numbers

just was curious to look it up

and yes it's making power without sucking water

[radiant heart]

And just to be a bit more of a monster 😂 next "greening" plan

done for today, poked at hydro a bit but need to to try that "going to bed early"

Later 👋

[radiant heart]

confirmed, after a 9D drought, lvl by the reactor is still at 2.9 ( on a 3x3 hole) that started at 3 deep.... not sure what went wrong, but it's done destroying water

[shell fiber]

oh, okay, that's weird

ooh, i think i see

it's probably confused since the strength is set to negative

okay, i have to disable that somehow

[distant wigeon]

No, Regular water sources and badwater sources when set to negative in the Vanilla map editor will also turn off during a drought. Everything turns off during a drought. You would probably need to figure out where in the code the Ironteeth's Badwater discharge forces it back on during a drought and copy that - otherwise, everything turning off during a drought is normal. UNLESS it was working fine before destroying water during a drought and now it suddenly isn't working? If so, something funny is going on.

[shell fiber]

it possibly has something to do witht he building getting disabled when there is not enough water 🤔
it's going to be slightly tricky

but in the meantime, i fixed the giga piles so they connect properly

and apparently my gas company is made of fukken morons because they cut my gaz for not paying a 160 JPY (~1$ / 1€) bill... which i have actually paid... 🤪

[sullen cape]

P.S. I like how the Gas tank is now called the "Gaz" tank again, a little French is good 🥖

[shell fiber]

oh, i thought i had re-fixed it again, don't remember which one

i got some weird data loss at some point

[sullen cape]

Oui

[radiant heart]

keep it "gaz" it's cool like that IMO!

[radiant heart]

mod says that it is piles and warehouses but warehouses are not there 🤔

I want a refund 😝 🤣

[radiant heart]

Just noticed, no love for the "crappy irrigation tower" ? 😢

and the ground one is still broken btw

[radiant heart]

that's gonna be something else with 20~ish more balloons 😅 when are we getting air command center to avoid crashes ?🤣

[radiant heart]

Tought of the day:
Regarding the "lowering the pop" when hitting the endgame, having a gizillion handicrafters separating lotus from the nenuphars is not helping at all, gonna need a few of those for necklaces and toys so the building is not obselete. Having the CW farm make only flowers too would be nice. even with the burner able to get rid of the extra of one or another, there is always one that ends up full and clogs up the spply chain.
Don't get me wrong, the 2 burning options for early game is super cool and pretty sure i'll enjoy it on aother one.
At that point tho it's just annoying micromanagin on the burner that (IMO) souldn't exist when you reach that point in game.
Thanks for reading 😉

[radiant heart]

Think necklaces have the same problem as toys, storage is full but barely 25% of the pop got the buff

is comic books like toys and necklaces or it actually has a decay?

[shell fiber]

I think the GMO lab can grow flowers only 😉

[radiant heart]

so does the florist

[shell fiber]

Don't remember

[radiant heart]

GMO aint "free" once built

[shell fiber]

But I think I increased the necklace priority too

[shell fiber]

But it's not that expensive right ?

[radiant heart]

still it needs the carrying of a lot of stuff compared to plug it and and toss a log once in a while

[shell fiber]

Hmm... True

Maybe I should buff it

At this point in the game the building being a bit OP should not be a big issue

If I make the CW farm produce only flowers and super easily the GMO lab vaccines just pointless trash 😥

[radiant heart]

GMO lab is still needed for shrooms

just makes no sense that the claw can't pick that flower on top 😉

[shell fiber]

Well it should really just rip off everything 😅

[radiant heart]

(glowy stuff is needed a lot with the recent ruin stuff, GMO lab receipe taht need it just became ... mheee at best)

other idea i had is make the handicrafter lodge do the sorting, so you could have some on nenuphars and some on flowers

point is micromanaging the burners sucks when you produce a metric ton a day

[shell fiber]

Ah good point

[shell fiber]

Yeah that's a possibility too

[shell fiber]

Yeah

I think I can make some sort of handicrafter Mk2 for mass production

[radiant heart]

i guess as long as it's more pop efficient then the MKI and does the sorting it's ok, and could make neclaces, toys and all at a better rate, making one building just for nenuphar/lotus is a bit of a waste

[shell fiber]

Yeah that's the idea, but I'll keep that for a little later, my next thing will be updating the balloon mod with a script tobbert gave me (multiple custom storage), then I can use that to clean up the toys, comics and necklaces from the box storage and toss that in a hobby shop of sorts (possibly nerdy attic too), which also allows me to add more toys types from other factions, which allows me to complete the balloon mod

[radiant heart]

too bad, nerdy attics are starting to go bye bye, don't really need the regular farms anymore 😦

[shell fiber]

Then my next thing will be to unify the triangle roof buildings (farmhouse, herbalist, tappershack) so they are all more or less compatible with the farm upgrades and wood upgrade

A standalone variant of the nerdy attic is not unthinkable

[radiant heart]

some sort of "gamer central"

[stiff coyote]

Is there a way to prevent grue attacks? lolz

Just curious

[radiant heart]

not having mines 😅

[stiff coyote]

Yeah I had a feeling lmao. Ty.

I keep getting up in population and then all of a sudden, Mild disease kills off half my population and then I start recouping and look over and see like 6 of my beavers get eaten by grue and the process starts all over lmao

[radiant heart]

how many mines are you running to get that many eaten at once ?

[stiff coyote]

I only have 2 with a max of 2 in there. One for coal and one for iron. And I swear everytime they finally get 2 each, both get eaten.

Im only sitting currently at a population of 20 cause every time I get to my max of 30 is when everything goes wrong again

[radiant heart]

that's real badluck, i got 15 mines running full and don't get that many incidents

getting your coal from burning log might help a bit

[stiff coyote]

I FINALLY got my library so I'm hoping that'll help get me the medical beds and I can get the mild disease under control 😂 so atleast I won't lose my population to quickly again

[heavy lodge]

But , watch out your food . Running library will kill your food stock !

[analog zodiac]

knowledge learning requires a lot of snack breaks after all

[radiant heart]

(fruit press MKII?) 😇 asking for a friend 😉

[radiant heart]

tested out the balm lab(on paper) it's bad, how about removing nitro and coco but drop way more resin?
other lab stuff actually cuts down the supply chain and are more pop efficient, as it is right now, better still drop in more alchimist just on balm

I would keep the lotus/brambleand hydro number. but remove the other stuff and drop in 10 resin, 8 clay and use glassware as a fuel like the others, not logs.

If it can be disolved a bit and stay efficient, how a bout + 10 water too and double the output?

[stiff coyote]

I have the kimchi and berries library choice with the brain boosting mushrooms and bramble flowers. Currently my peeps live off sunflower seeds 😂 but I'm working on that

Also also
How the flip do you make sunflower oil??? Ive gone through all the tabs and I cant seem to find it

[rare ferry]

You'll need the press. A lot of presses. A lot lot of presses. So many presses.

[stiff coyote]

Know off hand which tab the press is in?

I cant seem to find it and maybe I'm overlooking it

[radiant heart]

or 1 nuclear press 😉

[rare ferry]

Its in the industry tab. Should be in about the middle.

[radiant heart]

to be fair i'm running 2 of those atm tho

idk but there is that TMNT vibe on the green glow that makes me wanna build more

[stiff coyote]

Crappy water wheel is built but no water wheel is shown

[radiant heart]

plug a shaft in there and it should work

some visual problem

@shell fiber thought that one was fixed 🤔

part of your "data lost"?

[stiff coyote]

Oh yeah it was working fine. Just no display image for it being there. Invisible water wheel lolz

[shell fiber]

I though I had fixed that at least twice already, I'll check again

[shell fiber]

Which version are you on ?

[stiff coyote]

Uh. I can tell you later. I just woke up and have to deal with kids 😂

[radiant heart]

they show up on 3.3.8 but back to the brown visual

[radiant heart]

And it's official, no more water pumpers on the map 🤣

[sullen cape]

Crazy, congratulations!

[radiant heart]

thx, those big aquifer are so OP, gotta be carefull on the axel suply tho, they eat a lot

[sullen cape]

Well I hope the axels don't run out heh

I'm on modified hard (10-15) days wet 20-30 days dry, nearly getting those large tanks lol 🤣

[radiant heart]

hope i realize first !

[radiant heart]

"Hard normal" or "easy hard" 🤔 the 5-6 days wet are the big killer on hard

trade central comming up! just need to balance it

[sullen cape]

I'm on cycle 70, and I'm only just now got my factory working, as my beavers kept dying off during the droughts. Lucky my backup district works, but it's painful when your beavers eat all the food you were saving for science 😂

I'd recommend 20 day wet cycles if you want 30 day droughts

[radiant heart]

last U4 run i did helix hard, took me about 60 cycles to get the ENS up

[sullen cape]

Yup

I'm on new Helix. It's actually very easy to dam for badwater, I just build/demolish one lodge as I need it

[radiant heart]

i don't like how they modified helix , IMO should have kept it the same but change the close from start good water to a badwater source and badaboom badabing, helix U5....

[sullen cape]

Here's a slightly old screenshot I took

[sullen cape]

Maybe I should import the old helix and play on it, maybe add a badwater source somewhere 😆

The badtide is just starting to reach my lodge dam

[radiant heart]

that looks great!

on one district?

[sullen cape]

I'm using many micro districts, there's 5

in that picture

I'm working on a 6th

[radiant heart]

kk, i can see 3 centers, does it help? never been a big district fan

[sullen cape]

Oh and I see you have great taste @shell fiber, sorry for the ping 😅

[radiant heart]

firt time i'm doing district since they removed limits

[radiant heart]

Dyson Sphere Beavers 🤣

[sullen cape]

Water Beavers feels like it could be Stellaris's version of Gigastructres 😂

[shell fiber]

Probably made with hooman tech 😉

[radiant heart]

Second half 😉

had like 10 gnawing stations on screws prior to the mechanic hooman factory

[shell fiber]

So I take it the new relic production rate is much better ? 😉

Do you manage to get extra ?

[radiant heart]

it's much better and i also did some change, don't need as much nuclear fuel as i expected since my water wheels are rocking

the reactor is nice but needing water basicaly makes it a glorified waterwheel sadly

maybe on a low water source map it would help but on 1000 island i get all the power i need from the wheels

(smart power got fixed, workerless buildings no longer get a cheap rebate)

[kind spire]

Did the water wheels ever get working? I realised I never followed up on that

[shell fiber]

oh, i reverted to whatever was before, it's not even remotely as important as any of the other things i have on my plate

[shell fiber]

oh, good to know

[kind spire]

Fair enough!

[radiant heart]

if you got shit to test out i'm off tomorrow 😉

[radiant heart]

meanwhile, some dumb ass project taking shape!

[glossy hornet]

crashed probably because of this when starting a save

[radiant heart]

that is not causing the crash, got those too and no problem

[glossy hornet]

well it was the last thing in the log

[radiant heart]

maybe a yellow one higher that tells if a depedencie is not at the proper version?

[glossy hornet]

a what?

[radiant heart]

when loading the game, on the console, look if there is a lie a bit more yellow talking about some depedencie, might be one not at the live version

[glossy hornet]

nothin

also checked through the modman, everything I've got is updated

oh wait got some yellow

[radiant heart]

no idea what is the problem, you need someone smarter . sry

[glossy hornet]

being completely honest, I don't want to play a mod that breaks every single update

[radiant heart]

don't know what's up, it's been awhile since i had crashes from updates

try to delete
-WB
-2tall storage
-Balloons

and reload the last of each, those are not updating correctly with the mod manager

[shell fiber]

What did you try to update ? And with mod manager ?

[glossy hornet]

the main mod and ladders or something I forget, wasn't one of the critical ones

also I did what redneck said to do and got this

[radiant heart]

those are all new to me, never seen those "out of memory" things... 🤔

[glossy hornet]

maybe I just have too many things running when loading into the game

[radiant heart]

maybe

i'm clueless at that point

[shell fiber]

Yes

But I should try to make it so it doesn't happen

[radiant heart]

does that bridge need watertight anchors?

or i need to do some good old camera ramming?

Nvm, camera ramming it is!

Bungee ramp comming along 🤣

curious to see how the glow will look with the water and the batteries

[radiant heart]

Nooooooooooooooooooo

How can it be flooded if the only door is on top?

Glowy fluid and strong alcool got mixed up on the texture 😉

[radiant heart]

Sure they got enough fuel in there? they seem to fly a bit low 😅

[sullen cape]

Two doors, one at the bottom and one at the top? 🙂

[radiant heart]

i guess so but still... since the other "door" can't be used anyway i was hopping for it not to flood

anyway, dropped them somewhere else

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-scooter-scooty-puff-jr-fry-brains-gif-25118162

[shell fiber]

You monster 😅

[shell fiber]

The door is not actually on top 😅

[kind spire]

The red text earlier about missing text is just the logs for when it doesn’t find a language file key.

The errors in this screenshot though are quite interesting. I’d point to the memory exception as the main culprit - it may be causing additional required loading to fail

[radiant heart]

what? i was just curious to see if it would work. And since it does, might as well do something there

[radiant heart]

kinda figured it out the hard way 😆

[shell fiber]

Btw sorry everyone, I haven't been modding much this week (and actually playing even less)

[radiant heart]

don't stress about it 😉

[stiff coyote]

Question

When you start up a water beavers game, how many gears do you get from the district center cart?

[radiant heart]

not 100% sure, 5 maybe?

[stiff coyote]

I was trying to make the paper mill so I can unlock the gear workshop and I only have 2 gears but you need 8 to make the paper mill so im confused on how to get more gears

[stiff coyote]

yeah that
but it requires paper and i have none

[radiant heart]

need to go primitive papermill at first

(the white tent one)

[stiff coyote]

🤦‍♀️ I completely missed that one. Thank you

[radiant heart]

lol, Yw

[heavy lodge]

even more pain than making gears 🤣

[stiff coyote]

I literally said out loud "theres a primative papermill?!" xD

[radiant heart]

there is so much stuff in that faction it's easy to miss one

[stiff coyote]

But after not being able to control the mild disease in my last save, i reset, focused on food and water and now my population thrives at 120 beavers :D lolz

[radiant heart]

injuries/disease are hard to manage but burn is the worst, that balm is so rough to make

[stiff coyote]

yeah it is @.@ my current task is just bramble atm. the wild bramble takes so long to chop. im basically using as I collect on that stuff

[radiant heart]

until you cn get the domesticated ones sure is a long process ( and even there, domesticated don't gather that much faster)

The "bramble dance" takes forever

[thorny pelican]

Meanwhile, just a few shots... The rice terrasses are a closed loop, powered by 3 dam drain houses and one overworked lido on the bottom basin 🙂
and I hope the lido on top of the factory is in the spirit of the mod!

[radiant heart]

That rice farm looks awesome! 😍
Nice use of the overhang there!

[thorny pelican]

thanks, we tried our best

[radiant heart]

what map is that?

[thorny pelican]

new york

[radiant heart]

looks cool

[thorny pelican]

But tbh we modified it, that badwater source is not in the original map. And we added some more ruins 😅

[radiant heart]

can't blame you on that one, start without much ruin is quite hard for the WB

[radiant heart]

Kaboom nerding it out! 😆

well, looks like you don't have to toss those in the sky

[delicate leaf]

[Error : Unity Log] The given key Lapantouflemagic.RippedBrambles.DisplayName was not present in the dictionary.

[sullen cape]

Lapan just hasn't put a name in for the Ripped Brambles yet.

[shell fiber]

whoa, that lido sure is quite an original design ! works great though !😅

[shell fiber]

actually i thought i had removed the item entirely, but it seems to still be there and i'm sure what is calling for this entry key 🤔
if someone finds it in-game (not only in the log) that would make it easier to fix it

or i could just add the entry back and forget about it 😅

[sullen cape]

||Make it crash when it gets called, then you'll find it 😈 ||

[shell fiber]

may i interest you in the least efficient use of uranium possible ?

also i don't know why i missed that, but the relative density of wood / steel / uranium is actually 1 / 8 / 19 so i'm adjusting the amount of energy stored

in order to get round numbers i bump the log battery to 1300, which means the steel beams stores 10k, and the uranium 25k

but i would like to find some excuse for lowering the value for steel because otherwise that's not much of an improvement

toward the nuclear ones i mean

[thorny pelican]

Actually, I think I like this
Don't forget about the radiation issue though... Severe disease aura maybe? 😈

[shell fiber]

hmm... less wasted space, that can justify bumping it to 30k

[shell fiber]

that's a possibility but i'm weary about making radioactive stuff kill beavers because then people will not want to build them

[thorny pelican]

Oh, really...?

[shell fiber]

plus radiation if not too excessive doesn't cause anything noticable

except the occasionnal cancer when you're old

which may or may not have happened anyway

[thorny pelican]

But if you want to stick to real-ish physics, there's no way around that

[shell fiber]

well radioactive stuff don't actually glow green, but it's true that my nitpicking might be weirdly selective

but we can pretend beavers actually get sick... they just don't notice it 😉

but i'll think of a "radiation exposure" need

[thorny pelican]

Maybe you could make exposed beavers glow during the night and act as lanterns 😆

Something like Mr Burns or Homer Simpson...

[stiff coyote]

So the badwater pump needs to be submerged, is that like in 2 deep water or 1 deep water?

[thorny pelican]

The pump needs to be 2 deep so badwater can flow over it. Of course you should make sure the entrance stays clean 😉

[stiff coyote]

hm....ok

I glanced over here and had massive flood of badwater and now 100 of my 144 of my beavers are contaminated. thats fun

[kind spire]

You just need a geiger counter ticking sound effect to go with it 😛

[thorny pelican]

I hope you have enough jails. Or a convenient savegame 😅

[stiff coyote]

Nope and nope 😂 just time to suffer and recoup my losses. Lolz.

Teach me to save more often 😂

[thorny pelican]

Enable autosave ✌️

[stiff coyote]

Autosave is on but idk how to load a file from autosave cause when I click Load from within the game; it only shows my manual saves.

[radiant heart]

so it's a uranium infused giant log?

[radiant heart]

so we need to have the batteries submerged to keep the radiation away? now that i just finished the placement 😆

[shell fiber]

well it's supposed to be metal but i guess the round shape make it look as a log

[radiant heart]

and smooth got big signs in 😉

tought you'd like it

[delicate leaf]

All this talk of uranium, are you trying to take the beavers down the same path as humanity? Isn't the main goal of the beavers to avoid doing exactly that?

[arctic olive]

What happend before will happen once more

[shell fiber]

to be honest if humanity relied on nuclear as much as it relies on coal we'd be in far less sh*t 😉
but maybe that's my frenchness speaking 😅

but more generally it is just because in terms of game setting and flavor, nuclear stuff is the most interesting yet believable thing you could bring up 😉

[delicate leaf]

Nah, we'd just be in a different kind of sh*t instead. Even if the waste is barrelled away underground there's only so much space to work with before run out. Nevertheless I do agree that the public is a little too apprehensive about the safety of nuclear power

[radiant heart]

nuclear could solve a lot of problems, thing is, when it goes wrong it's a high risk that is publicaly not too accepted

[distant wigeon]

If we spent actual time and effort on Nuclear power R&D, even the high level waste could be reduced significantly, possibly reused. The low level stuff becomes harmless fairly quickly and then can be discarded and recycled via conventional means.

But anyways, off topic...

[radiant heart]

we're just talking how could beavers not have problems with the nuclear reactors, nothing to do with politics and stuff 😝

[radiant heart]

that's new

[delicate leaf]

"fairly quickly" = 20 odd thousand years = beavers, like humans, might not be around to clean up their mess

[distant wigeon]

Low Level Waste =/= High Level Waste

[regal temple]

Hi, hope you're all well. Looking for some assistance with the mod please - I've clearly done something wrong, but unsure what.
When I start a new game, I don't get the option of the new faction. I have only the mods that this depends in installed - I had some others previously, but they are uninstalled for this.
I have tried:
Uninstall all the mods, and reinstall>
Uninstall WBO through the in-game manager, and reinstalled it manually(C:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\Timberborn\BepInEx\plugins\water-beaver-overhaul_2766781_3.3.8)
Deleted that and tried installing via in-game manager again - waited 10-15 minutes before leaving the screen(and game).

I have testeed a new game without WBO, and the other mods all seem to work and show just fine...I just can't seem to get the option to play as the new faction to come up.
I'm not running the experimental branch of Timberborn, and I'm using Steam on Win11. Any suggestions please? Cheers!

[radiant heart]

when you open the game, look at the console, probably one depedencie is not at the right version

it wil show you in there

[regal temple]

Aha, cheers. I've got an error:
[Error : Unity Log] The given key Good.Balloon.DisplayName was not present in the dictionary. I'll try deleting and reinstalling it again, just in case.

[radiant heart]

i get this one too, it's not an issue

the ones about depedencies will pop in yellow i think, not red

[regal temple]

Oh, hah, jumpoed the gun. I also have a yellow one further up. Timber Commons...which is installed, odd.

[radiant heart]

probably not the updated timber common

let's say the mod is looking for timbercommon 1.5 and you have 1.4 installed it will show you it's "not installed" since it's not the proper version

[regal temple]

I only installed it this eve, lol. Maybe the mod manager isn't finding the right version? I see that it was updated 16 days ago, will try it manually, if mod manager tweaking doesn't. Thanks!

[radiant heart]

think mod manager still installs and older version that doesn't work with the actual version of the WB, i think by updating timbercommon you should be ok

[regal temple]

Success! Checking the folder, I could see it was 1.4 it had installed, instead of 1.6
Ticking the box in the manager to install the higher number instead of the live version, did get the correct version.
Now I can begin the pain and struggle! 😂
Cheers for your help! 🙂

[radiant heart]

you're welcome, GLHF!

[radiant heart]

how about using gold for a "Bling Bling" something that would give quite a boost?

(69th bar in the making)

[stiff coyote]

In the screw press. The one before the book

[radiant heart]

there are a few like that, not a big issue, gonna be fixed someday but it's not messing up anything so not a priority for our funmaker 😉

[stiff coyote]

What is it if I may ask?

Is it the golden fluid?

[radiant heart]

ananas juice

gives "juice" and "ananas" buff at once

actually working on getting more of that done

[radiant heart]

glowy fluid is from milking the giant firefly (and it's not food)

[stiff coyote]

Ah

[radiant heart]

+6 wellbeeing ( +3 juice +3 ananas)

[regal temple]

Hi -if that was aimed at me...I have no idea what any of what you said means, sorry!

I am a bit confused about how to harvest bramble flowers. I've gatherer flag next to brambles that are at 100%, gatherer sat on their arse, not picking?

[regal temple]

Think it might have been a bug - I was on the way to a mass death and reloaded, suddenly they are collecting them. Just one of those things. 👍

[thorn dune]

can anyone remind me how the large farmhouse works?
without the upgrade does the building part of it act like a leeve or just tolerate <1 tile of water height flowing through it?

I know what it says it just looks so water tight I was hoping I can use it

[sullen cape]

Wild needs lumberjacks, domestic (unlockable) need gatherers 🙂

[sullen cape]

There's a building unlock to make it watertight, sadly

[shell fiber]

I really don't understand why this keeps happening, really annoying

[shell fiber]

It just lets water thought but tolerates 1 deep water

[thorn dune]

thanks, time to replan 😅

[radiant heart]

nope, taht was towrds lapan 😉

[stiff coyote]

My large farmhouse for some reason isnt planting any lotus. I have 4 beavers employed, selected lotus to plant and then the beavers just stay in the house all day and dont do anything

[shell fiber]

lotuses need 2-deep water

maybe that's the issue ?

[stiff coyote]

oh

yeah. the water is all one deep

[thorn dune]

oh, two deep water. time to replan the replan. I play factorio for a couple of months and forget everything

[stiff coyote]

lolz. same. im like, well time to massbuild some dams up here cause i got nowhere thats 2 deep lmao

[thorny pelican]

I have two questions about the power plant...

1. where's the water pumped from? the middle of the base structure or from somewhere else?

2. does it have 2 entrances at that 2x3 part or just one out the front=?

[radiant heart]

the center of the open cross in the middle (when you place the reactor part you will see wheere the pump lands)

[radiant heart]

good question, didn't try getting in from the "back" since i'm having the badwater in there but by the looks of it it should be an entrance

[thorny pelican]

so your beavers never tried to get out the back door...?

[radiant heart]

never noticed if they did, now that you mention it probably some of my contaminated ones are from there actually, might wanna block that out just in case

gonna have to give it a try later

[radiant heart]

so...mmm yeah, the backdoor is open, need to block that out, not sure if it's where some get contaminated but better not take the risk

[thorny pelican]

thanks, our plant is still getting built, I'm sure there's some house that we can place there

[radiant heart]

overdid it a bit 😅

just need to blast down in front of the door like the one on the bottom and the backdoor problem gonna be solved

[thorny pelican]

actually, that's a nice and simple solution 👍

[thorny pelican]

I guess these are the big reactors?

[radiant heart]

green ones are the biggest, the blue one top right is tier one, think tier 2 is yellow

[shell fiber]

You know they can't connect without the chemney right ? 😅

Also are you still having the issue of the reactor getting stuck to zero water deletion after droughts ?

[sullen cape]

Need a pump, or a dip anybody? Only problem is the lido's now connected to the wrong district 🙃

[shell fiber]

nothing that can't be solved with building more stuff 🙂

[sullen cape]

I saw you mentioned people weren't using buildings as dams so I thought hold on, I need a way to keep my berries irrigated and beavers in one district clean

Oh and I've got two big water tanks and the game feels so much easier, I don't have big die offs during long droughts anymore

[thorn dune]

and some of us use buildings as dams a little too much
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[sullen cape]

Heh looks alright to me 🙂

[radiant heart]

yes but they are pain in the ass to build, neeed scaafolding and all, gonna get to those when my actual project is done

[shell fiber]

hadn't thought of that

[radiant heart]

my issue is actually when the drought starts, all the flow of the river that is not sucked up anymore burst a wave of badwater in the center of my reactors

underestimated ( a lot) the amount of buildings moving all food processing there would be, will have to blast the side too for the gristmills/wine cellars and more presses

[radiant heart]

would it be complicated to make it buildable by the inside? like if it had something in the middle going to the ground ( kinda like the super irrigation tower that is built from the ground)

On the other hand, that scafolding can afterward be used to also place the power line to it so... not that big of a nuisance

[shell fiber]

probably not very hard, but i need to check

basically i give each segment a bit of internal path and that should do the trick

no idea if that will allow to build the connector shaft at the moment

[radiant heart]

don't stress about it, it's more some QoL stuff then an actual problem 😉

[heavy lodge]

QOL on water hell ❓ 😮 🤯

[radiant heart]

to be fair i'd say 5~10% of the QoL stuff i brought up got in, wasn't expecting that much 😆

[shell fiber]

well hard and mildly inconvenient doesn't have to mean annoying 😉

rn i'm fixing the irrigation towers

apparently I didn't make the irrigation tower flippable, it is now

[radiant heart]

fixed the ground one not irrigating at all too?

[shell fiber]

yep

but no one told me it was broken 😅

(or i missed it)

[radiant heart]

did you just forget the shitty one or decided not to bring it back in?

[shell fiber]

the leaky tub ? nah, it's not an interesting one

[radiant heart]

the tiny tank that irrigated maybe a 5~6 radius

[shell fiber]

yeah no it's crap

the irrigation lodge is good enough

[radiant heart]

it's more about the price tag early game, iirc it didn't need planks, you know for those weirdos that play hard mode 😝

[shell fiber]

aaah

hmm...

true

grumpf grumpf

[stiff coyote]

Me:
Playing peacefully working on large farmhouse
Learns lotus need 2 high
Builds dam
Didnt see the 3 wide gap in the bramble and flooded my field of green beans
🙃🫠 lmao
Building yet another mass dam 😂

[radiant heart]

that's cute!

[heavy lodge]

some little bubbles to be... jacuzzi ?

[shell fiber]

that would require power 😉

[radiant heart]

the bubbles could just be beaver farts powered ... 😆

[heavy lodge]

nothing is without pain 🤣

[arctic olive]

Noice!

[stiff coyote]

Imagine employing a beaver just to fart for other beavers comfort 😂

[radiant heart]

i don't see what's the problem

@shell fiber coffee buff is in the omni food but required for the omnidrink and not in there 😉

got 100% of my beavers with coffee and barely started importing, made me do some research 🧐

[shell fiber]

fixed

i also added foreign food to the reciepe and the associated need to the effect

[radiant heart]

coffee is in the buffet or the bar now?

[radiant heart]

did you end up removing braised cabage from the buffet?

[shell fiber]

bar

[shell fiber]

nope

what was the reason for removing it already ?

too many cooking tents ?

[radiant heart]

all the bonus it gives are covered by the stews and yes, way too many coocking tents

[shell fiber]

okay, but since there is clearly cabbage and mushrooms displayed on the tables, the reciepe requires one raw cabbage and one raw mushroom instead 😉

not that it should really be much of an issue

[radiant heart]

fair enough

[shell fiber]

oh crap, midnight already

and i still need to take a shower

[radiant heart]

GN !

[shell fiber]

well i started a new timberborn game

[radiant heart]

that never works with a "trying to go to bed early"

[shell fiber]

because i felt if i stayed too long without playing i would forget what i wanted to do

cycle 4 day 13

[radiant heart]

no water canoning the lake yet ? 😢

Ooo, yeah they are locked back , forgot

[shell fiber]

it's science locked now

actually i also added a small 30 science lock to the irrigation tower (not to the irrigation lodge)

just so that people don't try building something that cost 45 planks when they don't even have science running

[radiant heart]

not aware of most of the early game stuff, didn't start one in months, still on that same run ( 250+ cycles)

[shell fiber]

and my next to do thing if i remember correctly, was to rework all triangle-shaped roof buildings to they are all interchangable for upgrades

i'm also thinking about an irrigation tower upgrade for farms

but that will require yet another custom model

[radiant heart]

who needs farms?🤣 except to place a nerdy attic on them

[shell fiber]

or maybe that will be for a forester + triangle roof whatever (berry harvester / tapper / woodcutter / farm)

[shell fiber]

well no one who lives in the space age 😅

[radiant heart]

atm it's opposite world, small farms are helping the large one gather the pumpkins and not planting anything

[shell fiber]

how many pumpkins do you have for an entire large farmhouse to not be enough ?

they don't even take so much workforce to harvest 🤔

[radiant heart]

not sure about the exact number, it's more about the moving it to the diffrent warehoues then the harvesting itself

[shell fiber]

uploading new version

[radiant heart]

let's just say the storage is not super efficient atm, redoing all my production and then gonna work on the storages/transfer thingnies, now it's all over the place 😅

production reservoir is comming along nicely

[shell fiber]

oh i just tested the mega box storage, it doesn't cause any ram issue so it's probably going to be up soon

actually i could do it right now

[radiant heart]

cool, sure gonna be nice having those around

[shell fiber]

(i didn't test them extensively)

[radiant heart]

as long as it only crashes the game and doesn't corrupt the save ...

[shell fiber]

i'll be back in 10 min

[shell fiber]

manual saves are never overwritten so they can't get corrupted

but there's nothing in there that could cause such heavy issues

storage mod updated

[radiant heart]

alright, time to update both

[stiff coyote]

Thats the map I'm playing on lolz

[radiant heart]

that was my first run on U5, waterfall is a classic

[shell fiber]

it's a good map 🙂

doggamit it's already 1:30 am 😭

GN !:

[stiff coyote]

Good night!

[radiant heart]

GN!

No Kaboom!

[regal temple]

Hi! Hope you're all well. My brambles got killed by a bad tide, aha, so Floristry for me! Except - wherever I try to place it, it is red. Are there limits on its placement that I have missed? Thanks!

[radiant heart]

the "terrasse" part needs to be above ground, not on ground

[regal temple]

Aha! Cracking, cheers!

[radiant heart]

running out on ICE, barZ can't keep up 😦😢

[radiant heart]

is balloon that far to get seeds and plant domesticated now?

[rare ferry]

Did the 1 high industrial piles get added back in?

[radiant heart]

nope

but the Ginormous ones are in, just warehouse on top of warehouse is not cooperating

[rare ferry]

Eh, I just want the 1 high. Not really playing maps where much more is needed.

[radiant heart]

I get it, not a fan of the change too, maybe would need some sort of storage like the glorious one for the problematic items and give them theyr own but it is not a priority for lapan atm i guess

[rare ferry]

Im just stuck on 3.3.4 till then

[radiant heart]

Gentle canyon and waterfall you could probably find space for a ginormous stack and some meds/smalls where needed on request mode🤔

medium maps are not that bad, wouldn't wanna do a run on diaorama 🫣

[radiant heart]

this looks a lot like a 1 high pile to me guess it's back on the menu

(first try since today's update)

probably a woopsie so get it while it's there 😉

[radiant heart]

Thanks ! Nice that it actually works

[shell fiber]

Oh I though I did

[shell fiber]

Oh so the one-tall piles are back, no error ?

[radiant heart]

none

[radiant heart]

they are not "back" as previous ones came back, but can be built again

[shell fiber]

But I hadn't deleted them in the first place 🤔

Just Dev mod locked them

[radiant heart]

they were showing up as "decrepetated entities"

or something like that

[shell fiber]

Ah yes, but that's just the name

[radiant heart]

but we couldn't build them anymore, a new build was the 2 high edition

[shell fiber]

Yeah

But now I swapped them again

So you should be able to build the normal 1-tall variants

[radiant heart]

got to side with eld on that one, don't really want the more storage but 2 high most of the times

[shell fiber]

Despite glass and saw blades poking though the roof

[radiant heart]

just did with last update and it works

[shell fiber]

? No comprendo

You don't like them being 2 tall correct ?

[radiant heart]

Eld stayed on 3.3.4 so he wouldn't have to deal with the 2 tall piles

[shell fiber]

That's a fair point

Ahah

Sorry

[radiant heart]

was mostly done with those and replacing with ginormous but i get his point

[shell fiber]

To be fair i didn't like it much either, but stepping on saw blades...

[radiant heart]

having both would be cool for more options but if only one has to stay, plz only the 1 tall

[radiant heart]

don't wanna know how many times my dudes and dudettes had to step over glass 😅

well, my turn to say"shit, midnight" later 👋

[shell fiber]

Ahah, good night !

[sullen cape]

It green!

Nice

[shell fiber]

and not even radioactive ! 😅

[shell fiber]

new lumberjack

With that we have :

• Regular farm
• Lumberjack
• Gatherer
• Tapper shack

all interchangable as far as the farm upgrades are concerned

and i'll make them all also be able to carry the triangle half of the wood upgrade

despite it being quite boring to be honest

btu that's because i don't have any great idea of what to do with it

of course those will be in addition to the regular stackable ones

whelp, it's midnight, let's call it a day

[abstract vector]

Welp I finished greedy builders, time to figure out how to get this mod to work

[shell fiber]

Make sure you have the right version for all dependencies (especially timber commons...) And no weird incompatible things😉

[shell fiber]

hell yeah !

also, i made a variant for the forestry upgrade

the previous one will have a shorter tower

and the old tall tower will be an observation deck attraction

this way there is some actual purpose in building either

also, since i made them display the beavers that are currently inside, they are no longer houses

much to everyone's benefit

[thorn dune]

you've found a way to convince me to build tapper shacks 🙂

[shell fiber]

well you don't have to build the tapper shack

farms or gathering houses also work 🙂

also, would anyone be really upset if i were to remove the windmills entirely ? now that we gaz and nuclear

[radiant heart]

with the nerf they have it's not like they are super usefull anyway

[shell fiber]

If i make an irrigation upgrade, should it be a farm upgrade or a forestry upgrade ?
(should it require a forester or not ?)

note that i can do both 🤔

[thorn dune]

but they're all late game, how do you keep anything running during droughts without windmills?

[shell fiber]

i was thinking more battteries and such

but yeah, meh, might as well leave them

[radiant heart]

farm makes the most sense (coul it be an upgrade on only one building so you could have it on top of 1 farm, one lumberjack....?)

[shell fiber]

nah, i think i'll let people sacrifice a couple squares for a proper irrigation tower

i've poked enought at those for quite a while

[radiant heart]

we already have quite a few optins, it's not really needed

[thorn dune]

honestly I use windmills because they cost 10 science

[shell fiber]

whelp, everything seems functionnal with my latest changes

time to playtest a bit

might as well stream a bit

[shell fiber]

oh, in case i didn't say it : since i trashed the need increase system entirely, beaver jails will actually prevent jailed beavers from getting out by freezing the thirst, hunger, sleep and filth needs

while still slowly removing the contamination

so... they're in jail, with nothing to do except clean themselves

also the farmer assistant farm upgrade now requires pine resin and no longer tar, to make it a bit more accessible (you can use your first science for that rather than unlocking the screw press, alchemist etc)

[radiant heart]

cool! sure will help the early game

[radiant heart]

nice

[shell fiber]

hmm... i always want to build the pass-through lodge far earlier than i can afford it, am i the only one ?

i'm thinking about lowering the price drastically

[radiant heart]

prior to badtides, yes, now not really,

[shell fiber]

without it it's hard to plan a dam early on

[radiant heart]

idk, never used it much, it's cool but i fail to find a use for it most of the times

[shell fiber]

well basically i want to start damming up the river, but if i place anything else on the bottom layer, i'll have trouble finding a path to the other side later

so i changed Tar to PineResin and removed the science lock

increase the cost in general building material too

and the kart gives 2 gears so it can cost 2 gears instead of 6

[radiant heart]

never tought of that, i just stair/platform over the dam, quite a waste of walking time now that you make me think about it

[shell fiber]

ahah

oh i should also probably remove the worker from the small irrigation lodge

that's really a waste of workforce

[radiant heart]

those early gears are for pump upgrades normaly in my case 😉

[shell fiber]

hmm, after all no

if somehow haulers get overwhelmed not having water deliveries would be too dangerous

i'll let people min-prioritize it

so my next thing to make would be the food processor / assembly line

for replacing a bazillion handicrafter

[radiant heart]

no idea what you're talking about (only got like 20 of those 😅 )

was worst but now dynamite is made in the mine

those mine modules are quite handy!

[thorn dune]

does the pass through work if it has water flooding both entrances?

if it does I'd have used it more if I knew that

[radiant heart]

it just can't flow over it like any other building it would be considered flooded

[thorn dune]

the biggest issue with making dams in rivers is getting a three long set of tiles to put the 3x2 dam on top of.
even the 3x3 blocks are uselss for it cos they flood inside the hole

so if you can put two pass throughs back to back and have the exit of one lead into the entrance of the other it solves the problem, you can put the dam on top without having one side entrance completely flooded

[radiant heart]

that should work, used some pass trough and one side is directly connected to the door of a badwater pump

[thorn dune]

I've used 3x3s with side doors for it before but it's tricky to make work becasue of the hole

the issue is really if it'll count as flooded but I guess the doors in the middle of the block definitely have no water so won't. I should've done this much earlier

[radiant heart]

not sure how the "flooding" is managed on that one, normaly it's as long as the door voxel is not underwater it's ok but with 2 doors🤔

[shell fiber]

New version uploaded ! some nice new things ! 😉

i don't remember where the door voxel of the pass-through lodge is, might have put it in a weird place

anyway ! shower time, then GN !

[delicate leaf]

I strongly disagree with that statement. On some maps (like the trickle map) it's near enough impossible to make use of waterwheels etc right out of the gate. Even after all the bombing I've done to flatten out the land I still don't have enough space to get started with waterwheels. Windmills have been a key element to my playthrough for quite a while since the start,

[radiant heart]

true, didn't think about that

[radiant heart]

🤔 so i have to get in by the back? could the path part in front of the gatherer be buildable? (like for a platform or a ladder)

[radiant heart]

Paper not showing up

[radiant heart]

is the pumping speed of the mechanical pump better, worst or equal to a drain house? 🤔

[sullen cape]

I think the most powerful one might be useful still, but I'll need ladders and vertical power shafts to actually be able to build them on top of a storage tower.

Was cursing the lack of a triple platform, but I guess that's part of the game play. Also it feels illegal to use the curved stairs lol 🙃 coming from vanilla

[regal temple]

I'm confused how the upgrades for water pumps work. Wherever I try to place them(next to one, between 2, on top of one, ontop of 2), they are red. What have I missed this time, lol? Cheers!

[radiant heart]

it goes on top of 2 side by side, in the middle of the 2

it's easier to get it in place while looking from the door side

[radiant heart]

tapper shack let's you build a platform there, didn't try the lumberjack barn yet

[sullen cape]

My game just loaded in 130 seconds, after normally taking 7 minutes?

[sullen cape]

This screenshot might help

[radiant heart]

yeah, think lapan got rid of the aura things so it loads faster, mine too the loading time chopped out at least by 50%

[sullen cape]

I can finally run my library all the time haha!

[radiant heart]

lol, even if you pause it the aura was effective 😉

I had all those "negative buildings" rammed in one corner of the map, no way i redo all my colony but would be curious how it would have ended up not having those from the start 🤔

[sullen cape]

I feel called out haha

[radiant heart]

you're on hard mode?

(the shower barrel also has that comment, was actually a request i had on U4 while playing hard😝 )

[sullen cape]

Note my cycle number haha, yeah it's super-duper hard not to have your population crash, I should have spammed even more water tanks haha

[radiant heart]

On my hard run I had massive pop swings, like between 25 and 75% die out during droughts untill i could build a massive reservoir. at one point iirc went from like 350 to 3

[regal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-pick-up-lines-matthias-matthiasism-youtube-gif-3835102

Oh wow, thought I was doing well to get to 13 - 1 pop left after a bad tide followed with a drought lol. Beavers reproduce via budding, right? 😂

[radiant heart]

yeah... need 2 at minimum (unless playing IT or if they changed it)

but the basic rule is "2 beavers and a dream"
-you get the water and i'll get the food...

[shell fiber]

try to build a side platform or something

[radiant heart]

would not let me build one in the front

can they access by the side?

[shell fiber]

drain house is pretty high if i remember, probably higher than the mech pump

[radiant heart]

will have to do some redesign then, 4 mech pumps can't even fill up my reservoir :S

tought they were better then that

[shell fiber]

maybe i should buff them

but to be honest... i don't like the dam drain house as they currently exist

too complex, too strong

[radiant heart]

would be nice, i mean my thing is deep but not that wide, basicaly it's 4 meca pumps large (plus the corner shafts since they can't link directly 😅 ) 16x10 maybe? can't go on game, atm to double check

[radiant heart]

too complex?

too strong i get what you mean, maybe nerf the water output?

[shell fiber]

it's more than that, the purpose for which they have been made in the first place doesn't really match what they feel like they should be used for

not sure i'm very clear

basically i wanted something that can pump out lots of water from a dam, removing the need for a side channel using a regular triangle dam

[radiant heart]

gotcha

[shell fiber]

but there's no way a single building can pump enough water

[radiant heart]

like having it prevent the dam from flooding ?

[shell fiber]

yeag

building lots of tiny ones could do the trick, but that causes issues with the dam = house rule

plus the power issue, plus the protruding part messing with water pump upgrades

[radiant heart]

Maybe lock it with at least a BP for the house and a ENS thingny for the actual turbine?

I get you don't like what you've created but at the same time they are so cool and usefull...

[shell fiber]

well that is a building that kind of need to be at the bottom of a dam, so it can't be late game stuff

doesn't have to i guess but that's how i think it's supposet to be used

[radiant heart]

that's what i did, dropped them at the bottom of my dams, mabe a bit too many, tho since they pump so much😅

[radiant heart]

guess i'm missing a point there since i've been in "late game" for quite a while and basicaly none of my initials dams are still up except for 2-3 hauler/builders house

[shell fiber]

well i'm not going to take any rash decision of course, but i need to think about how i want things to work in relation to that

there's the option of "make pretend" underground buildings

[radiant heart]

i don't get it

kinda like the "tunnel shafts" that something exist but you don't see it?

[shell fiber]

sort of

imagine a mario pipe comming out of the ground in whichever location you want, and 5-10 blocks away an exit pipe to transfer water

well actually that's just an other water cannon

but that can be build at the bottom of a dam i guess

hmm

[radiant heart]

knatte already has something like that in water extension i think, just not houses

[shell fiber]

oh yeah right

good point

but the issue is the water output i think

i should ask him

but i think ultimately the problem is more that the entire thing might be unnecessary

maybe the true solution would be to make all watertight buildings **completely ** unfloodable

so you could just let water flow above it, no F given

🤔

[radiant heart]

that would be quite a game changer

[shell fiber]

did i have a good reason for not going that, or did i just forget what it was

i mean i wouldn't want entirely underwater cities, that's kind of weird

Oh !

[radiant heart]

"beavers need some air in theyr houses" or something like that iirc

[shell fiber]

i could just make a snorkel building to add on top of the door voxel

like a tall chemney thing

that would actually be watertight

[radiant heart]

would have to be clear where the voxel is tho ( wink wink pass trough lodge)

[shell fiber]

but that would require people to plan their dam so the doors are all stacked 🤔

OR

[radiant heart]

that would be more then a "minor inconvinience"

[shell fiber]

yeah

[shell fiber]

Ahahahah !

lol what a TANK

litterally takes the full road 🤣

🤣

[radiant heart]

🤣

Hauler bots in the making? 👀

[heavy lodge]

❓ A new faction, starting with bots, ending with beavers 🤔 😍

[radiant heart]

you got 2 cycles to "produce" beavers or your bots run out of juice and you're dead 😆

[shell fiber]

that's actually something that i'm considering

[shell fiber]

reasonnable chance of this

hence why it's double size and has a 100 carrying cap

[radiant heart]

but hauler tower got +200%... 🤔

did you miss a "0" and meant +1000?

[shell fiber]

oh no it's in kg

[radiant heart]

kk, so +800~ish

[shell fiber]

beavers have a base of 14kg

right now i'm eyeballing it

[radiant heart]

speed the same?

[shell fiber]

at the momentyes

but to be honest, right now i'm mostly poking at the bot system to help out battery smooth

regarding the waterbeavers, i think using the enslaved souls of the damned as workforce is still more fun

but there is the texture issue

[radiant heart]

How about helping me with my juice/lotus ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh yeah right 🤣

[radiant heart]

the black ones you had on ( U3 or U4) don't work? those were creepy

[shell fiber]

but i didn't forget, just got sideway'ed

[shell fiber]

trying to

problem is that i don't think the current ones have been extracted correctly by asset ripper

and the old ones may or may not be able to tap in the game's animations

but i can probably find roundabout ways to do my thing

like remove the model entirely, and replace it with a cloud of black smoke or something

[heavy lodge]

Bots will be dead, not me, I hope 🤣

[radiant heart]

*your run is dead 😉

[shell fiber]

well for now my bots will live for a solid 3000 cycles 😉

[radiant heart]

well, i'm almost 10% of the lifespan done if i had it on day one 🤣

[radiant heart]

that's cool! ( so only bots could move the giant logs around?) 😅

[heavy lodge]

LOL, that monster could take all storage, not only a copuple of items 🤣

[shell fiber]

quite litterally actually

but no for the giant logs, i don't think i can make it bot-carriable only

but if i can mod bots, i can mod beavers too, and in theory i could add a carrying model for the sequoia

but that seems like absolutely not worth the effort

[heavy lodge]

Well, don't need trains anymore 🥳

[shell fiber]

oh trains would still be amazing

but what i wanted to check with this tiny video was the movemment speed

[heavy lodge]

Not if require too many scaffolding for tracks 😛

[shell fiber]

right now i have halfed the animation speed to fit with the double size, so it feels natural

but if instead i keep animation speed and double the movement speed...

[radiant heart]

If the price tag is high ( and i guess it will) they better be OP!

(btw did you forget to toss in the nuclear grav batteries in the last update or just decided not to include them?)

[shell fiber]

The walking animation is a bit yikes but otherwise it's fine

[radiant heart]

looks a bit funny when carrying stuff

[shell fiber]

i think they also can carry stuff on their back while running, i can just lower the walking/running threshold

probably

[kind spire]

I think they carry on their back when they’re employed as a hauler

[shell fiber]

ohh

probablyyes

let's try that tomoroow

gn

[radiant heart]

gn

[distant wigeon]

Yeah, the halved animation speed looks better.

[radiant heart]

maybe 75%?

[kind spire]

I wonder if you can make it so only bots can carry the sequoia logs

Or am I giving the evil mastermind too many ideas?

[radiant heart]

lol, said it earlier 😉 guess yes if you put up the sequoia things bot only

but the builders 🤔

[kind spire]

Ah darn! Beaten to the punch lol

[radiant heart]

idk, way above my brain

[kind spire]

I don’t think there’s anything in the game that limits the hauling of goods, so probably not an easy way to fix that

Or rather, implement that

[radiant heart]

is there any ressource that is "bot only"? even the grease/punch cards.... biobeavers can make/transport it 🤔

and i guess even if you put the giant log super heavy the beavers will still try and move them around just be super slow at it ( kinda like the anvil that is technicaly above carry capacity)

[stiff coyote]

Are irrigation barriers in this mod?

[radiant heart]

nope

[stiff coyote]

That crossed out section sounds like something RCE would say lmao

[stiff coyote]

Darn. K. Ty

[radiant heart]

it's move the badwater away or isolate from it. a 2 or 3 deep trench will do the same job as an irrigation barrier

flow/ground/hole/ground ( if it makes sence, can't boot up the game for a srennshot atm )

[delicate leaf]

Just do a reverse water pipe 🙂

[delicate leaf]

Thought for a second that was a cannon on the right XD

[radiant heart]

not sure i get what you say? 🤔

[stiff coyote]

On waterfalls, the 2wide badwater river in the back sends bad ground bout 2blocks past the cliff sides and I had an irrigation building [not tower] to resist the bad ground but it didnt work so I was curious

[radiant heart]

the irrigation towers don't remove the contamination, just get it green. it's not like if the water was partially contaminated

[delicate leaf]

Air vent for underwater buildings you were talking about

[stiff coyote]

Ahhh the description made it seem like it should push it back

[radiant heart]

kinda like a chimney on top you mean?

[delicate leaf]

yep, but without the smoke XD Edit: Mines are supposed to have the same thing the deeper they go to prevent suffocation

[radiant heart]

Who reads those ? 🤣

well, to be fair i do but guess i skipped that one

[stiff coyote]

Me so I don't seem like a psycho trying to find what goes where 😂😂😂

But anyway, I just turned the contaminated area into mines for more coal lolz.

Also, when I said my beavers kept getting eaten by grues; as long as I had 2 beavers in there, the number of eaten beavers significantly dropped lolz.
If I ran the mine with only 1; they almost immediately got eaten lolz

[radiant heart]

guess when they have someone to watch theyr backs they can be safer ! ( wonder if lapan made some dark magic in the back for that to be a real thing 🤔 )

[radiant heart]

that back zone sure is a nice place for an easy set-up of a lot of mines

[stiff coyote]

Definitely!
I think I currently have 4 coal, 1 iron, 1 saltpeter, and 1 maintain salt.

[radiant heart]

geez, 4 coals, ain't that a bit much? never considered burning logs for coal? I guess it's better to have the beaver eaten then a useless eater with a burn tho 🤔

[stiff coyote]

I need my logs atm 😂 im using as fast as I'm chopping lmao.

And I use the coal for a lot of other things atm. Idr but I'm using the coal as quickly as its coming in too lmao

[radiant heart]

how many iron works are you up to to munch on that much coal? think the highest i'd been is 2(coal mines) before a megadrill was up

[stiff coyote]

I think the one cause I dont have a factory yet but because the flooding incident, I'm making dams and its using the fasteners rather quickly lmao

And the dam is only halfway done
I have a population of 150 beavers atm but I get a mass old age dying around the 100 beaver mark cause of the #badwaterflood I caused not paying attention lmao.

I need to update however, haven't played in a couple of days

But after the dam, my next project is getting the engine and factory and I can progress further

[radiant heart]

kk, is your dam only actual "dams" or you have some buildings in there? helps cut out the price a lot

[sullen cape]

The walking while carrying stuff animation is hilarious 😂

[sullen cape]

Wonder what the building debuffs will be replaced with... if anything

[radiant heart]

🤫 don't give him ideas

[sullen cape]

Ideas? Sure! ||Forced hard mode for water beavers!!||

[shell fiber]

the irrigation lodges do repel contamination, maybe you have an out-of-date mod version 🤔

[radiant heart]

wait what?

tried it here and didn't notice a change 🤔

[shell fiber]

not the towers, only the ground one

[radiant heart]

kk

well that's good to know if i ever end that run a day and start another 🤣

[radiant heart]

Something i noticed today:
Think it is not really possible to max out everything in social/fun and whatever since there are too many things and not enough hours in a day(running on 14h workdays). Made a tiny district with everything and there is just too much stuff, technically they could go somewhat close to 160 ( last i checked, hard cap was 156) but still can't break the 125/130 barrier, except those lazy useless workers and even those for now the max i've seen is at 144.

Maybe in the end it starts to need more places that combine bonus things like the buffet and some others become obselete or it just won't happen

calling it a day, Have a good one 😴

(hardcap is now 158 with the observation deck giving another +2, that includes lemonade and baobench tho)

Had to check, out for real

[distant wigeon]

In the Vanilla game: Bots. Bots are still basically a hard requirement to reach max wellbeing even with the removal of Dirt mining restrictions. You run into this with the Vanilla game, too and the only solution is Less work hours.

...Which is only practical with Bots doing all the work.

[shell fiber]

i think we might be heading more toward simple beaver bots and not toward enslaved souls of the damned

because the game gets upset if it can't find some stuff regarding animation that i don't feel like poking at at the moment.

[sullen cape]

"A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is bad forever" Well less so these days but thanks Miamoto

[regal temple]

Just tried it, and not seeing it - upgraded to latest version yesterday. Do upgraded versions only apply to new games, or will they apply to saves as well?

[regal temple]

alas - also spotted that they don't seem to be irrigating, either. 😦

[stiff coyote]

I tried not to use buildings cause the instructions say thats cheating and I don't like cheating so theyre actual dams lmao

[stiff coyote]

I do have a ground one and it did nothing against that back wall on waterfalls.

[stiff coyote]

Yeah they dont turn the ground green, the towers turn it green but do not push back the badwater poison.

The ones sitting on the ground are supposed to push back the poison but dont

[regal temple]

Good to know that is not something I'm doing wrong, at least. Cheers.

huh.

[shell fiber]

you're definitely using an outdated version, i fixed that issue recently

[regal temple]

I did upgrade yesterday, seeing you post - and selected for latest version. I'll try deleting and reinstalling instead, just in case.

Cheers!

[shell fiber]

hmm that's strange

but yeah, try deleting the old one and dl anew it should work

[regal temple]

Awww, yeah!(deletion and reinstallation worked) cheers!

[shell fiber]

i have made a terrible mistake

[shell fiber]

finally solved the bad water issue

[shell fiber]

hurray !

paper mill is online

AT LAST

that was quite an ordeal

although i am definitely the last person on earth who can complain 😅

[radiant heart]

it's not cheating if you actually use them 😉

[radiant heart]

happy little accident 🤣

[radiant heart]

Gave it some more toughts, instead of stuff becoming obselete/having building do many, is it possible to play with the decay on the fun stuff? Like let's says they have to do "X" activitie once per cycle or something like that or it'S a switch between normal decay or none?

[shell fiber]

no i can make things decay slower if i want

but that affects the balance of how many you need / beaver more than how many activities each beaver can do, at least in the early game

for the late game it is probably better to have large capacity combined entertainment

wait wat ?

the floodgate dam blueprint requires kimchi instead of brainsalts ?

that's not how it's supposed to be

[radiant heart]

later stuff=slower decay
so you don't mess up the early game stuff , maybe?

[shell fiber]

well that's an option yes

since you probably don't want to have to build a dozen temples

[radiant heart]

it's fun also to have variety, if you just build one giga entertainement center that does everything it's kinda restrictive

[shell fiber]

hmm, true

[radiant heart]

would need to recheck but i think i got only 4 or 5 atm and they go for it

it's more about the low bonus stuff they skip them since they go for higher ones first and by the tie those decay they never go to the smaller ones

kinda like the toys i was producing and was always full in stock but no one played with them

[shell fiber]

ah, yeah i see

so if the late game stuff decays slower, that would free up some time to attend the less important ones

seems like a plan

but i should go to sleep soon

hmm... this is kind of a shame

i could have planned better but if that could connect naturally... 🤔

anyayw, let's call it a day

GN

[radiant heart]

GN (not an emergency, well-beeing over 100 is already quite nice for the bonus 😉 )

[stiff coyote]

Thats how I lost 100 beavers lmfao

[stiff coyote]

Alrighty I will update later

[stiff coyote]

Yeaaaaah but I dont have a need for 50 something houses 😂 atleast right now cause the demand for food would be exponentially more than what I currently handle lolz

[radiant heart]

you can also do some "ahead planning" let's say for exemple, the copyist and artist lodge, often i'll build them ahead, in my dam and just pause or not connect them. According to lapan that's not cheating if they are to be used in a not to ffar future 🤷‍♂️

[stiff coyote]

Big brain

But I find it funny that lapan said they solved their badwater issue
||Have they experienced a badwater tide yet?? Lolz||

[radiant heart]

well, 5 temples but only 112 beavers with the bonus 😅 didn't think it was that bad

[regal temple]

The Artist lodge is glorious!

[radiant heart]

yeah, not sure what lapan was on that day but its awesome

taht one building you don't serch for

[regal temple]

indeed! 😎

[radiant heart]

let's let it run for 2-3 cycles and see how it improves....
269, Nice! (insert meme) double, well, for temple, plaza not even breaking the 1%of pop ... but they show visitors....

Wait a minute, does the caroussel needs nuclear stuff ? or it's just there for fun and giggles?

yeah, skipping the "reading the description" just asking out 🤣

[radiant heart]

well, gave up and looks like that ladder is a must ( didn't try the 3tall pillar tho) so not the entire mid cross doesn't need support.

Not sure how to make it clear in the description tho🤔

the middle needs a support🤔

[stone halo]

@shell fiber I pushed TobbyTools, so what you can now do is download that, load it into the same placec as TimberAPI and then use the SpecificGoodsStockpile Component to specify what it should hold

[shell fiber]

The carousel is folktales default, I didn't touch it 🧐

[shell fiber]

Hurray ! Thanks !

[stone halo]

If you dont wanna use it anymore, i can understand (took a while). If you do decide to use it, lemme know if you have issues. Will tryy to fix as soon as possible ofcourse

[shell fiber]

right now i'm trying to poke at the tutorial, it is crashing but that might be my fault (at the moment i'm not sure if it wants prefab names or file names)

[radiant heart]

just kidding, tought that top design looked like the nuclear sing that's it 😉

[regal temple]

Hi! I'm finding quite a few buildings that are marked as "Solid: Other building can be built on its top", can't actually be built on. The buildings that I'm trying to build, don't say anything like "Must be built on ground". Storage on top of storage, for example. Supposed to be like that, or something I'm missing? Cheers!

[radiant heart]

sometimes it's just part of the building that can be build on top(or there is an upgrade for that building)

game doesn't make the diffrence tho, so as soon as something can go over it goes in the description "can be built on top"

[regal temple]

I was wondering if it was like the...florist, I think it is. Its the cooking house I was actually trying to build on top of some storage, not storage on storage, my mistake. Storage on storage works just fine, which is a relief to realise! 😂

[radiant heart]

thing with the coocking house ( the mechanized one) the chimneys can block constructions on top of them

the chimneys themself can connect to each others tho

[radiant heart]

Tought of the day:
Would be really nice if in the building description when selecting to build there would be an indication for the ones that will still run without a worker in it as long as it's filled up ( like the basic mush grower) it's quite hard to figure out and honestly would not have even known that was a thing if i was not in here and it was told to me. It's a super cool/powerfull feature that (IMO) should not be hidden indicated somewhere somehow.

[radiant heart]

lol, lowering working hours to 12 gave me almost a +5 WB bonus 😍 😂

*+6

[radiant heart]

think necklaces priority needs some love like the toys, still have 120 in stock and only half the beavers with the buff, on those permanent things, i think storage should be empty unless everyone has it 🤔

[radiant heart]

Fun Fact, could "buff" the mec pump 25% just by having the plug "daisy chain friendly" 😉

ok getting scafolding up there to redo it gonna be shitty but.. kinda don't mind doing it at that point

[shell fiber]

hmm... it's true that those pumps are kind of trash anyway...

i could allow them to connect like batteries, from anywhere

in the meantime i'm trying a couple of things now that i have my custom storage script

right now i'm not even sure what i want this to look like

it is meant to be a hobby shop of sorts, imagines seats and tables on the first and second levels

but that might not be a great idea

basically i want a building to store the follonwing :

• Comics
• Seashells
• Shell necklaces
• Toys (multiple types)
• Hooman Relics ?
• Beaver bones ?

[radiant heart]

that looks nice

[shell fiber]

so what makes most sense is some sort of hobby shop, or a nerdy game cafe

[radiant heart]

Hooman relics been used only in the ruins i don't really see the point of getting those in that "hobby building"

[heavy lodge]

Beaver bones ? Who wants to buy toys from a cemetery ?

[shell fiber]

i think i'll make the relics be either directly some sort of consummable (thinking beavers like to have some funny hooman trinket)

[radiant heart]

toys/books/coffee

[shell fiber]

but since all of those are also "valuables" in beaver terms, i thought it could be some sort of bank or vault or something

(that would be a different building though)

[radiant heart]

voodoo dolls that combine the hooman relics and cursed scrools? 😅

that would need to be a non-decaying one tho otherwise don't want to imagine the amount of balloons needed to sustain it

[shell fiber]

at the moment i think the cursed scrolls are not in the game so we're safe 😅

[radiant heart]

feels more like a MKII florist to me atm tho

(still running 10 florists i think on flowers)

wouldn't mind a more popefficient way 😉

[shell fiber]

the GMO lab has a pretty good reciepe i think 😉

[shell fiber]

but yes i based it on the old florist design

[radiant heart]

will have to look it up, like the esthetic of the florist tho

[shell fiber]

i like the overhang terrace

ahah

understandable

[radiant heart]

it's a bit confusing first time you try and place it but not a big deal

[shell fiber]

maybe i should make it easier to place, like the path part at least doesn't have to be above ground

[radiant heart]

it's just about understanding that the terrasse part needs to be above ground that is not intuitive

[shell fiber]

yeah i should add it to the description

[radiant heart]

other then that it doesn't need any rework IMO

[shell fiber]

still early on it can be tricky to place without adding a platform to connect the path

[radiant heart]

if you can connect it without science it's a non issue i suppose, only reason you'd want one early is for science anyway

or i'm missing something?

[shell fiber]

well i just dont want to have people not figuring out how to place it AND getting stuck on science somehow

but no major change

it will be just a tiny bit more tolerant in terms of placement

[radiant heart]

so basicaly it just extends the 2x2 "ground" part to a 2x3 but that extra 2x1 can be air or ground?

[shell fiber]

basically yes

i'm also working on the assembly line or whatever that will be called

[radiant heart]

that looks like it will need a crapton of ggears to build 😅

[shell fiber]

i kind of want a threadmill like in the food packing plant of that mod

[shell fiber]

of course 😉

[radiant heart]

with the mine modules for gears/scafolding at least it's not hard to produce massively now

[shell fiber]

but just the thought of making and animating it... ugh 😅

problem is that i always have the same constraints

i need the top to be flat for stackability, and the bottom is best flat too

same for the sides because of the watertighting script

so my only choice is to go wild with the front segment

[radiant heart]

i guess visualy they don't need to as long as you have some "invisible wall" for the watertightness