Water Beaver Overhaul

[glossy hornet]

I was, just downloaded them all and thanks for pointing it out

still have the same problem though

[radiant heart]

double check if you got timber common 1.5, think it was not updated in the list

[glossy hornet]

once again, a problem that was present that didn't fix the original problem once fixed. not to sound like an asshole sorry

[radiant heart]

once we fix all the problems it should work, 😉

running low on ideas tho

🤔

99% of the times it's a depedencie with wrong version or something like that

you get any message in the console when opening the game that could hint towards something missing/wrong version?

[glossy hornet]

checked all installed mods, all are updated

here's what I got booting into the game

[radiant heart]

think you might have some non-compatible mods enabled, ( i see the no stomp) not sure if it works with WB

[glossy hornet]

installed but not marked enabled for a couple ones I know is incompatible

like rail extension, choo choo, etc.

[sullen cape]

I use houses as dams?

[glossy hornet]

Yeah, hell I used them as ladders to get off the top part of I think terrace is the map a couple versions ago

[glossy hornet]

Disabled no-stump to no-effect

[radiant heart]

idk, when i boot it console says 43 dll, you're at 88, 1 plugin, you're at 4. would need someone smarter then me from that point I guess can't pinpoint what's wrong

[glossy hornet]

Hell we’d probably need someone smarter to explain to me what that even means

[radiant heart]

got no idea, just trying to find what's going on and a solution

comparing my console start up with yours

[glossy hornet]

I’m on pc if that changes anything compared to your console stuff

[radiant heart]

it changes the spec thinggny since we are not on the same computer but other then that the mod booting and all should be quite similar

[shell fiber]

What are you talking about ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

You're one of the few 😅
You're not streaming by any chance ?

@glossy hornet
Not entirely sure, you either have something corrupted or there's a tbmpl issue.

My first try would be to remove tbmpl entirely (I don't think the no stumps mod makes any sense anymore, they don't cause any trouble)

Second option would be to remove all you mods and remake a clean plugins folder

In your log the crash point seems to be [Error : Unity Log] MissingMethodException: Method not found: string Timberborn.Versioning.Versions.get_VersionNumber() Stack trace: Rethrow as TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'TimberApi.Versions' threw an exception.

Which means there is something in there that doesn't answer what its version is properly and timberapi just quits

[glossy hornet]

is this in reference to me or ants?

[shell fiber]

Yours 👍

Oh I see, yeah my answer mixed up two things, sorry

[glossy hornet]

manually or via the mod manager?

Cause I tried removing tbmpl and got nothing

[glossy hornet]

removed everything apart from the mod manager, bepinex, timberapi, and the plugin loader. and now the mod manager crashes when I open it

[sullen cape]

No, but I am playing on hard, so I'm up to cycle 50-something with barely anything unlocked 😅

[glossy hornet]

I can’t even get to cycle 20 on the normal factions wtf

[shell fiber]

If you can give me the log without tbmpl I take a look at what changed

[glossy hornet]

Well I can’t even get this mod reinstalled due to the new modman problems I’m having

[shell fiber]

There is some mod.Io maintenance today I think, that may be an issue but it shouldn't last long

[shell fiber]

It's probably better to install manually from mod.Io btw

[glossy hornet]

It shouldn’t crash the game to open it I don’t think

[shell fiber]

Let's keep the plugin loader away for now, less variable will make it easier to fix your setup

[distant wigeon]

Confirmed "The Game Crashes as soon as you open the Mod Manager" is caused by Mod.IO having a moment and not responding to API requests and Mod manager has an absolute fit over it.

[glossy hornet]

Honestly thanks for the confirmation on that

[shell fiber]

But the maintenance was supposed to be like 30 minutes no ? Was it 3 hours ?

[distant wigeon]

Note: Deleting Mod Manager from your plugins folder does not magically make all mods load. DO NOT LOAD ANY MODDED SAVES RIGHT NOW.

[glossy hornet]

Wasn’t planning on it

[distant wigeon]

And no, I just tried playing like 10 minutes ago, Mod Manager is still having a fit.

I'm going to go upstairs and mop my LVT while I wait.

[glossy hornet]

I’ll guess I’ll go back to debugging in the morning then

[sullen cape]

I'll load the game, I have mod manager installed

And it works, and Mod manager shows mods. I don't install stuff using mod manager though

[sullen cape]

BTW I really like the triple lodge's 5 hauler jobs, feels much more efficient

[shell fiber]

@rare ferry Hi !
i'm trying to find where i left in your splaythrough but honestly... i can't find anything 😅
would be a huge help if you put an episode number on them, or arrange them into a playlist 😉

[shell fiber]

hmm... that's is of course not your fault, but this log is... incredibly unhelpfull 😅
i'll check a few things on my side

[glossy hornet]

might be an "uninstall/reinstall api" moment?

[nova crescent]

Why large farmhouse is not planting lotus? Am I missing something? Connected it thourgh bottom with a ladder.

[shell fiber]

possibly, trying to download whatever's latest (timber commons, hauling fix) i found a bug, but not the same one 😓

[shell fiber]

lotuses require 2-deep water 🙂

(the plural of lotus is lotus)

[nova crescent]

Thanks it started planting. 😀

[shell fiber]

i tried to update the latest dependencies (most have not been updated in a month) but no crash.
can i have a screenshot of your plugin folder ?

[shell fiber]

oh, bepinEX is not a mod, you shouldn't have this here

bepinex is the thing that allows mods

[glossy hornet]

does it screw things up to have it there?

[shell fiber]

possibly

also as you know choochoo is not compatible yet

[glossy hornet]

marked it as not enabled in the modman

[shell fiber]

you probably should take it and possibly rail extention and zip them

[shell fiber]

just delete it, it shouldn't be there

it's not a mod in the first place but it definitely have scripts etc that are bound to confuse Tapi

even if the modmanager says disabled, i'm not sure it can really disable something that isn't even shaped like a mod

if you don't want to delete stuff, just zip it

(in a "make it a .zip file", not zip it = shut up 😅)

[glossy hornet]

eh same dif

[shell fiber]

still crash ?

you also have Tapi twice but i don't think that's a huge issue

[glossy hornet]

it hasn't crashed once outside of the modman stuff I was talkign about "zip it" v "turn it into a .zip file"

[shell fiber]

oh ok

[glossy hornet]

every single ding dang time I hit new game it's the normal faction choice menu

[shell fiber]

goddamit

[glossy hornet]

log again

[shell fiber]

wait are you on experimental ? or on release ?

[glossy hornet]

tried on both versions, same result

[shell fiber]

i see

[glossy hornet]

currently release

[shell fiber]

hmm...

the error in yours appears where in mine it detects the game version

@tawdry bronze any idea about that ? i'm kind of running out 😓

[tawdry bronze]

remove both timberapi and redownload one is for old version of game

as you said he has 2 timberapi 😛 that he should never have

probobly the old version that is loading and crashing

[shell fiber]

by the way, how are you still living in 2023 😅

[glossy hornet]

once again, I AM NOT CRASHING

outside of one thing where it was a mod.io issue apparently

[shell fiber]

yes but Tapi does

[glossy hornet]

eh doin alright

[tawdry bronze]

well you are getting an error for tapi...

[shell fiber]

[Info   :   BepInEx] Running under Unity v2023.1.20.3515684
[Info   :   BepInEx] CLR runtime version: 4.0.30319.42000
[Info   :   BepInEx] Supports SRE: True
[Info   :   BepInEx] System platform: Bits64, Windows
[Message:   BepInEx] Preloader started
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [BepInEx.Preloader 5.4.22.0]
[Info   :   BepInEx] 1 patcher plugin loaded
[Info   :   BepInEx] Patching [UnityEngine.CoreModule] with [BepInEx.Chainloader]
[Message:   BepInEx] Preloader finished
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader ready
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader started
[Info   :   BepInEx] 4 plugins to load
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Mod Manager UI 1.3.6]
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Improve /Prioritize by Haulers/ 1.0.9.9]
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Quadruple Terrainheight 1.3.0]
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [TimberAPI BepInEx Entrypoint 1.0.0]
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete
[Info   : Unity Log] Starting game version 0.5.9.1-33dabbc-sw
[Info   : Unity Log] System info:
System: Windows 10  (10.0.19045) 64bit
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10900K CPU @ 3.70GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super
GPU memory: 8012MB
RAM: 32523MB
Drives:
  C:\ 16.09GB free from 218.67GB
  D:\ 89.23GB free from 368.10GB
  H:\ 97.56GB free from 97.66GB

[Info   : Unity Log] Modded: true, BepInEx
[Info   :TimberAPI Core] TimberAPI 0.6.5.0 - Timberborn 0.5.9.1, loader: BepInEx
[Info   : TimberAPI] Mod loading started
[Info   : TimberAPI] Found 14 mods
[Info   : TimberAPI] Deserialized 14 mods
[Info   :Billboards] Loaded version 3.0.7.0
[Info   :    Clutch] Loaded Clutch Script v0.0.1
[Info   :    Clutch] Loaded version 1.1.1.0
[Info   :Improve /Prioritize by Haulers//] Loaded version 1.0.9.9
[Info   :HousingOptimize] Housing optimization mod loaded
[Info   :HousingOptimize] Loaded version 1.0.5.0
[Info   :    Ladder] Loaded version 1.3.1.0
[...]```

my log looks like that

Tapi encounters an error and just drops everything

[glossy hornet]

[Message:   BepInEx] BepInEx 5.4.22.0 - Timberborn (12/16/2023 7:31:26 AM)
[Info   :   BepInEx] Running under Unity v2023.1.20.3515684
[Info   :   BepInEx] CLR runtime version: 4.0.30319.42000
[Info   :   BepInEx] Supports SRE: True
[Info   :   BepInEx] System platform: Bits64, Windows
[Message:   BepInEx] Preloader started
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [BepInEx.Preloader 5.4.22.0]
[Info   :   BepInEx] 1 patcher plugin loaded
[Info   :   BepInEx] Patching [UnityEngine.CoreModule] with [BepInEx.Chainloader]
[Message:   BepInEx] Preloader finished
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader ready
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader started
[Info   :   BepInEx] 3 plugins to load
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Mod Manager UI 2.0.0]
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Improve /Prioritize by Haulers/ 1.0.9.9]
[Error  :   BepInEx] Error loading [Improve /Prioritize by Haulers/ 1.0.9.9] : Could not load file or assembly 'TimberApi, Version=0.6.5.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' or one of its dependencies.
[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [Quadruple Terrainheight 1.3.0]
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete
[Info   : Unity Log] Starting game version 0.5.9.1-33dabbc-sw
[Info   : Unity Log] System info:
System: Windows 10  (10.0.19045) 64bit
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
GPU memory: 4017MB
RAM: 16334MB
Drives:
  C:\ 7.46GB free from 111.19GB
  D:\ 5.70GB free from 7.26GB
  E:\ 11.90GB free from 465.76GB
  F:\ 104.76GB free from 1862.96GB

[Info   : Unity Log] Modded: true, BepInEx
Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 1062090
SteamInternal_SetMinidumpSteamID:  Caching Steam ID:  76561198304420945 [API loaded no]
[Info   : Unity Log] Successfully connected to the Steam client.
[Info   :Mod Manager UI] Loaded 34 custom labels
[Info   : Unity Log] Previous resolution: 1680 x 1050
New resolution 1680 x 1050
Display resolution: 1680 x 1050
Full screen: True
Graphics quality: Ultra
Resolution scale: 1

removed all of the tapis and got this

[tawdry bronze]

did you redownload tapi?

[shell fiber]

seems more normal already

[glossy hornet]

no but I just did

now we have this and the same issue plaguing us as before

[tawdry bronze]

that looks correct exept you have not installed water beaver overhaul

[shell fiber]

seems pretty good

for the record it's better to install WBO manually

[glossy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-computer-pc-trash-trash-can-gif-5707805033116147398

[shell fiber]

wait it wasn't there all along ? 🤣

[glossy hornet]

it was there until I purged the whole mod list

[shell fiber]

ah i see

[glossy hornet]

thought I reinstalled it

[shell fiber]

no worries 🙂

i'm uploading a new version btw

[glossy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-computer-pc-trash-trash-can-gif-5707805033116147398

[shell fiber]

i's a minor update, but there might be a bug

ah, shit, forgot one tiny thing

let's repack it

[glossy hornet]

GUESS WHAT BOYS! THE PROBLEM IS 👏 STILL 👏 THERE! WOOOOOOOOO

oh wait now the log's saying timbercommons aint there

[tawdry bronze]

new log and image of plugins folder

[shell fiber]

@tawdry bronze do you think it's okay for me to make a "dependencies pack" and just have that as a dependency ?

tbh there's starting to be a lot

i mean that will steal 'downloads' from other mods...

[glossy hornet]

aight we got it working now

finally

[shell fiber]

i just hope you're not going to hit the bug i just fixed

[tawdry bronze]

hmm you that is possible like a mod pack for mods WBO uses

[glossy hornet]

eh I'll just wait for the new update and then start a save

[shell fiber]

just uploaded it now

[shell fiber]

i was thinking about just taking my plugin folder and zipping it entirey, then uupload it

[glossy hornet]

*proceeds to do another 5 hours of trying to fix problems*

[shell fiber]

it's getting late for me

thanks @tawdry bronze for your help

i'll just wait for you @glossy hornet to confirm you could start a game just in case 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

that is not a good idea then you need to update that pack for each update of any mods and to give mods more downloads is not a bad thing

[glossy hornet]

yep yep just gimmie a minute to download it my wifi's kinda slow

[shell fiber]

yeah that's kind of the issue

[tawdry bronze]

how is it a issue? how ever you do it will still be the same download size?

[glossy hornet]

I think the issue they're talking about is just having to frequently update it

[tawdry bronze]

what im talking about is why even need it? if to many dependencis do a mod pack with an empty zip that has the mods as dependency and depend on that for WBO

[glossy hornet]

which seems like adding an unnecessary step

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah but i meant for people who do the manual install

mod manager in principle downloads them all at once rigth ?

[glossy hornet]

didn't for me

also I have now just loaded into a game

[shell fiber]

oh, good

GN then !

[nova crescent]

It's not planting lotus again.
Both of these places are deeper than 2 water.

[glossy hornet]

ok so am I just screwed the second a badtide hits because the berries die

[storm prawn]

too deep then perhaps ? afaik they grow in 1.5~2.5 high/deep water ... or something like that, 3+ deep drowns 'em

[radiant heart]

the trade with IT, the "lab glassware" i think it is called now

[radiant heart]

the top onelook like there is only one deep of water even if a step under but the bigger square on the bottom looks like you have no access

[radiant heart]

lately timbercommons is not downloading or not the right version, had a few ppl pop in here having issues due to that

[radiant heart]

Good job with the icons Lapan, now i won't burst my eyes out anymore trying to figure out what stew is going in !

[queen quail]

noob question. How do i get exotic seeds?

[vast anchor]

balloons

[queen quail]

thank you

[shell fiber]

Yup, no access and too deep. They are lotus not seaweed 😅

[radiant heart]

this i why drainhouses should default to good water, what a mess, at least caught it fast enough to save my berries 😅

and lucky me the water canons were still there spaaying to disolve a bit

[rare ferry]

Hmm, last I knew they were in a playlist. Let me check on them.

[rare ferry]

Somehow the Playlist got set to private. I dont remember doing that. I fixed it. Thanks for letting me know. Youtube does weird stuff sometimes.

[radiant heart]

Hey eld, is your connection back to top shape?

too bad new work schedule makes me miss the tuesday ones now 😦

[rare ferry]

Yep, its back up. ISP said they couldnt find an issue, then sent a truck out to fix an unrelated issue, then it worked it. So should have more Water Beavers streams going up at least for a bit.

[nova crescent]

They have access. Ladder is there on the corner. But maintaining 2 deep water level is going to be hard. Any suggestions?

[shell fiber]

It's the same as rice but one bloc deeper, you're probably overthinking something 🤔

[nova crescent]

Okay let me try after work. 😂

[radiant heart]

is it too deep? like the ladder is it only one to go down or2-3? can't really tell by the picture

[radiant heart]

the baobab won't let me put dynamite there and is 75% grown 😩

sad time for the recreation spot

[rare ferry]

Oh, I just remembered a question I had from the stream this morning, The buffet canteen. How does that work? It had several hundred food in it but nothing was getting made or used, and the beavers all started to slowly starve. I tried it with 0 employees, 1, and 10 employees, but same result.

[radiant heart]

they need all the food types in there and produce the "food buffet"

beeing quite big to fill up better stack a lot before building it

first time around i almost killed all my beavers from starvation while it was filling up ( and was not producing enough of one of the foods)

[rare ferry]

Hmm, It had several hundred of each type, but does it need to be completely full at 1000 food each to work?

[radiant heart]

nope

but i think they will try to fill it up prior to making the stuff

maybe?

[rare ferry]

Im not sure either. It just didnt seem to be doing anything and it had a ton of food of every kind in it.

[radiant heart]

My best guess is they were still trying to fill it up instead of preping the buffet but not 100% sure, maybe next time just click on the workers and see if they are running around with food instead of prepping it

[radiant heart]

Love those balloons flying all over the place, did i ever mention that it's such a cool thing ?

[heavy lodge]

Must have a balloon traffic control for this

[radiant heart]

good thing they can't bump into each others and crash 😅

and need a bunch more, didn't even start coffee and coconuts yet

[heavy lodge]

balloon apocalypse 🎈 🤣

[shell fiber]

Should not require to be full but definitely requires all ingredients, I'll take a look at it see if something is wrong with it

Generally speaking it is just a manufactory

[radiant heart]

mine are working fine (No3 not connected to the roads yet)

[shell fiber]

Oh right I need to include foreign food in the recipe

[radiant heart]

that's mean, they are eating those burgers at a crazy speed

[shell fiber]

But I'll also make smaller recipes variants so as to not crash entries colonies when booting it up

[radiant heart]

i'm up to 6 or 8 burger balloons and can't keep up yet

(using the polar one)

[shell fiber]

I think in proportion that will lead to them consuming less burgers

Oh actually I completely forgot to check the readability of the stews, do you have a screenshot? If the warm storage menu and UI if possible (I'm in the bus)

If you literally have the game on hand if course

[radiant heart]

playing atm 😉

it's really nice, now it's super easy to see what stews are what

talking about stews, need to figure out why the vegie one is not catching up, got 12 kitchens for both mush and vegie but the vegie one never really gets full

guess it's just filling up the ingredients since they need 10 for the vegie one and only 6 for the mush one ( not counting water and logs)

Would it be possible to get in the IT Monuments too? not a fan of the FT ones 😇 please

[radiant heart]

well, that sure is a tripping/cut hazard

[shell fiber]

I was afraid that would happen...

[radiant heart]

it's when they are almost full but not totally

the full ones don't do that, think it's like from 80%~ish filled up

[shell fiber]

Yeah but I have literally no way to prevent that from happening, this visualisation of meant for logs not those

[radiant heart]

don't really mind it, in the open ones it looks so great...

[shell fiber]

The only solution would be to make these storage piles 2-tall but fill only to 80% cap or so

Tbh I might just do that

Reworking the model seems really easy too 🤔

[shell fiber]

Yeah the icon was not really readable apart from the bowl, the colours help a lot.

I think the mushroom stew needs a bit more work, white/grey should be good except the storage texture is really dark, I would need a new one

[radiant heart]

it's good as is IMO, the diffrence is clear, maybe a bit lighter to appear more clearly but probably not worth it

[pine geyser]

so i might be bllind i cannot find a way to make laboratory glass thingy

[shell fiber]

in the factory (metal tab)

[pine geyser]

sorry i mean the item required for the thing

[shell fiber]

so you mean you need an anvil ? you get your first one when you destroy the broken kart, but do that only after you've build a new town center

[shell fiber]

that was indeed an easy fix

max capacity is 252 though

but i left the cost identical

(of course when full they lay nice and flat)

[sullen cape]

I think the new crude sawblade storage did something similar in a crappy pile when it was full...

[shell fiber]

yeah i didn't show it but it's also fixed for the sawblades obviously

[sullen cape]

Not that it was much of a problem in the first place but thank you ☺️

[shell fiber]

well actually the problem is that the small piles (1x1, 1x2, 1x1x2) also need fixing

but i'm afraid there is an absolutely unforgivable issue with it

hmm.... yes, that is the issue.
I hate it

to be fair, it's not as horrendous as it looked like in editor

but it looks kind of stupid

HELL YEAH !
my theory was good it works !

that probably doesn't make sense to anyone without context

but the point is : you can display pilables (log-types) as an up-down mesh

here i made a pile mesh for silicon ingots

but the normal log-type silicon ingot storage still works perfectly fine 🙂

but i wonder what happens if...

so the first consequence of that is : my gigargantuan storages are possible

because this most likely allows to bypass the 20.000 mesh generation that kills the RAM

and also that solves the uglyness issue of the previous storages

because i can just conjure a mesh of 4 flat sawblades that just gets loaded in an up-down fashion

[radiant heart]

Now that's a giant cussion if i've ever seen one, Glorious storage MKII? 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh it will be glorious, but not for anvils 🙂

[radiant heart]

not like you need to store 200 anvils anyway 🤷‍♂️

BTW, planting shadow and placement is a bit strange on the baobab, is it supposed to be a 3x3 or 5x5? my guess is a strange 5x5 since you need the spot for the benches?

(can show you a SS it 10-12 mins when my save loads... neeed to start thinking about shrinking my pop)

Like it shows it there when it will grow in the green square. It's due to it's size and the way the game works i suppose?

[shell fiber]

oh, the baobab is 5x5 but the floor layer is actually 3x3

yeah it's weird

[shell fiber]

wait i thought i had fixed the shadow being out of place

grumpf

do you have the latest ?

[radiant heart]

oups

updating right now, will let you know

Ha it's like the WB, the balloons and the 2-tall storage, idk why but mod manager can't update those, need to delete it and reload

does that mean i get to de lemons and the stand ? 🤞

[shell fiber]

yeah i unlocked everything

[radiant heart]

Ho wait, that's gonna mess up my massive tank storage if i get one more drink 😅

well, now my OCD gonna have a fun time

[shell fiber]

ahaha

[radiant heart]

need 2 or 3 more tanks to fix that 🤔 could do a bad stew one but still be missing one .... or redo the whole set up... that's gonna be a fun problem 😆

[shell fiber]

damn i really love eld's rooftop terrace setup 😅

[radiant heart]

the one on squewer platforms?

like right above the district center

[shell fiber]

yeah

[radiant heart]

o yeah that's awesome

too bad once you got the buffet looks like beavers are not interested anymore in the rooftop terraces

[shell fiber]

yeah it fills that need too

it's to make beavers actually spend time in there

but i could do it an other way now that we have good consumming attractions again

[radiant heart]

like when they eat in there it takes some time?

[shell fiber]

in priniciple eating is near instant

but i can rework it as an attraction that fills all needs while consumming the omni food item, which then would not be edible in itself

[radiant heart]

but would still fill it all and the hunger?

[shell fiber]

with the added benefit that one beaver eating alone would likely consume as much as a full battallion of beaver

[radiant heart]

i think the game won't like that since they go for food prior to attractions 🤔

[shell fiber]

yeah there's no issue with htat

[shell fiber]

oh

hmm

don't know if that would work then

[radiant heart]

that might be an issue for stocks😅

[radiant heart]

Just put back "Nice view" on that one and remove the terrace bonus so they don't become obselete?

[shell fiber]

but making other stuff obsolete is kind of the point in a way no ? this building only exist to prevent beavers from spending all day running around trying to fill needs

[radiant heart]

*trying to fill food needs 😉

for the recreation and other need to lower working hours and make it more convinient

[shell fiber]

hmm... that's true

[radiant heart]

(actually running on 15h days and well-beeing can tik up to 70 when no one is injured)

[shell fiber]

i can just make a "neverending buffet" need

[radiant heart]

yeah, something like that

talking bout obselete stuff, ( or redundant i guess) i think braised cabages don't need to be in the buffet thing since it already has other stuff that fills up shrooms and cabages

[shell fiber]

right now i'm hacking at those storage issue

[shell fiber]

hmm... yeah but the idea was that it requires all cooked foods

because then that makes braised cabbage completely obsolete

[radiant heart]

having 1 food obselete doesn't feel that bad i guess, was more thinking about the buildings not becoming obselete.

In the end the small coocking tent still got 3 eclusive foods, it makes a lot of coocking tents to keep around later in the game got 24 atm, not making awefull stew and actually need more because chips barely keep up so not needing that many on braised cabages would be nice

[shell fiber]

hmm...

that's a good point

and cooking tents are not stackable

[radiant heart]

exactly, that makes a bit of a big footprint pawprint

now on a more serious note, how the heck do i drop another giant tank in there ? 😵‍💫

[shell fiber]

hmm... blow up those crate storages ?

put some giant pillars somewhere and link them with giant half logs

[radiant heart]

Ooo, didn't think you could use the giant pillars as support for the tanks

[shell fiber]

oh, not for the tanks

for the crates

[radiant heart]

anyway they barely drink water anymore, booze and juice only, now that i think of it on my previous run made it with 0 water for a long time and no one really complained🤔 alright, water one is becoming lemonade and that's it 😂

[shell fiber]

yeah, who want to drink plain water anyway 😅

[radiant heart]

without a "water" need they are not interested later on

That's turning out nicer then expected, too bad WB don't get the flame of unity, wanted to have some in there before i realized it's not a thing

[shell fiber]

are those tents all for making nails for trade ?

[radiant heart]

3/4

over did it a bit 😅

[shell fiber]

oh right, tools too right ?

[radiant heart]

yup

blades are made closer to the CW towers

that reminds me, sawmill is obselete later on, planks from giant log is so much easier, trying to think about something to keep it releveat but don't really see a thing

[shell fiber]

meh

it's fine

[radiant heart]

alright, deleting it then... or not, it's 3 layer deep in my water blockade in the middle of the map 😩

[shell fiber]

the wood CW farms consume sawblades right ?

[radiant heart]

yes

[radiant heart]

is it intended that the beavers get more contaminated in the badwater pumps then the bucketting stations? had like 10-12 bucketting stations, swapped them out for 2 pumps and didn't get nearly that amount of contaminated beavers 🤔 or is it just badluck on a %age thing?

was getting maybe one here and ther, now it looks like i'm getting at least one per day

[shell fiber]

bucketing post cause more contamination that pumps, that cause more than advanced pumps

[radiant heart]

do they need to actually pump to get contaminated or just to be there?

prior to the swap i was not using much badwater but restarted the ENS on nuclear Phd since the swap so pumps are running full steam. that could explain the more contamination if they need to pump the water to get contaminated

[shell fiber]

i'm pretty sure they don't get contaminated if they don't work

yep definitely

[radiant heart]

that would explain it then 👍

[radiant heart]

and that i forgot 4 buckets in an abandonned corner 😅 woopsies

[shell fiber]

Behold my victory over the game's system !

[radiant heart]

nice! now i can blast those storages i guess !

[shell fiber]

still have a handfull of ajustments to do though

[radiant heart]

fixed the RAM issue? what's left? some pathing thing?

[shell fiber]

the ram issue is more bypassed that solved i think

but what's left is a few meshes for the WP ressources

typically screpress axles

glass panes and solar pannels

and sawblades

[radiant heart]

they gonna be both piles and warehouses?

[shell fiber]

no they're just piles

oh but there is a box variant too

which i'm not sure will be very cooperative

but the pile variant is 90% done

that will be for an other day though

damn...i didn't notice until now but... i like how the treated planks look like 😮

Oh no,

[radiant heart]

good thing yo didn't remove them 😛

[shell fiber]

that made me realize one thing

there is litterally nothing preventing me from reworking the color of logs in stockpiles 😅

what shall i do 😅

[radiant heart]

well, can still get brown logs, can you use the color mix from the crappy platforms/logstairs?

[shell fiber]

Tbh i kind of want to swap the plank texture and display for the treated planks one

[heavy lodge]

Please, no white and pink logs 🤣

[radiant heart]

like the "scrambled" look

[shell fiber]

oh sadly a color mix is not going to be possible 😅

clearly more plank-y

[shell fiber]

uuh, that is...possible

maybe

yes, kid of

the first 3 logs will always be the same color, but i can scramble sets of 4

[radiant heart]

scrambled ones are my favorite, sure wouldn't mind the storage bringning back that look

[shell fiber]

hmm... but to be honest that is quite some work

[radiant heart]

don't bother then 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

i can't change the model beavers will carry around though... i think

[thorny pelican]

tried to get the big badwater pump to work, but I seem to do something wrong... the pump upgrade doesn't seem to get power from the basic building, and the 19 deep pipe goes upwards instead of down in the water. actually, oit looks like an antenna 🤔

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah this thing is a bit old

tbh i don't think it still deserves to exist

the pump should operate fine if the rear half is submerged in bad water

[radiant heart]

my badwater stuff basically always looks like taht anyway

[thorny pelican]

well, I guess I'll need some more dynamite then

[shell fiber]

poor paw-cranked pump

[radiant heart]

the bucket kinda killed it but at the same time i see why the bucket is required🤔

[shell fiber]

well if you can't be bothered with bringing power in, that's a solution

but the output of the big one is also worth the trouble

also lower accident rate

anyway, i think i was supposed to go to sleep

[radiant heart]

GN

[shell fiber]

gn!

[glossy hornet]

Question about these, should I bother making sure the beavers are going into work dry or is it just kinda a “they’ll get sick anyway don’t bother” situation

[radiant heart]

they get "sick lite" by working, decontamination takes about o time, if they dip into the badwater need the wole decon time ( if you got the washing machine + decontamination agent it's not that much of a big deal)

[glossy hornet]

Got neither atm

[radiant heart]

so better avoid swimming in that badwater

[glossy hornet]

Also do the jails cure contamination or does it just take them out back behind the shed?

[radiant heart]

helps decontaminate

[glossy hornet]

Aight

[queen quail]

Why do the water wheels no longer work or am i doing something wrong here?

thinking it was a flow problem i added a few levees to constrrict the flow. Didint work still. added the dam thinking maybe the water level wasnt high enough and still didnt work.

[sullen cape]

These look fine to me

[radiant heart]

looks like they should work, at bare minimum the 2 on the right, sometimes they can do strange stuff when flow is diagonal but most have flat land on both sides 🤔

don't have any around anymore i think, give me a min

[radiant heart]

Looks like it's just the animation that is broken, i get a power output in the UI, do you get soe hp display?

[queen quail]

i do, let me go ahead and hook them up and ill let you know if they work without the animation

they work fine actually. animation is just broke

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber something else for the "need a fix" list 😉

[radiant heart]

on another line of toughts, how about rebranding the baobabs to BonzaÏs? idk, feels like baobab should be much taller 🤔

[shell fiber]

Oh oopsie 😅
The animation is broken but they still work, don't mind it !

[shell fiber]

There's different kinds of baobabs 😉

[polar wind]

[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Missing the following dependencies: igorz.timbercommons
I got that error Msgs in my BepinEx, anyone a guess whats missing?
Mod manager is saying the mod is installed

[shell fiber]

maybe mod manger is wrong, or your installed version is too old.
either way, try do download it again, possible remove/reinstall

[radiant heart]

is it possible that it is not set properly in the depedencies? it's been happening quite a bit ppl not having timber commons

[radiant heart]

Finally figured out how to place those 😅 totally useless except for the looks right there but it gives a nice toutch!

[rancid tulip]

where are the error logs saved again? got a crash

[Error : Unity Log] ArgumentException: Faction with id Waterbeavers not found.
Stack trace:
Timberborn.FactionSystem.FactionSpecificationService.GetFaction (System.String id) (at <9e09aa6ff3394d5b8f00970db75ec0ed>:0)
Timberborn.GameFactionSystem.FactionService.SetCurrentFaction (System.String factionId) (at <f02dd804a6234353a25598b971025c50>:0)
Timberborn.GameFactionSystem.FactionService.Load () (at <f02dd804a6234353a25598b971025c50>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.DMD<Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService::LoadSingletons>(Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.DMD<Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService::LoadAll>(Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter.Start () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Timberborn.GameSaveRepositorySystemUI.SaveThumbnailCache.Clear () (at <25400e25dfbe4e5fb25ed950e8174aa7>:0)
Timberborn.GameSaveRepositorySystemUI.SaveThumbnailCache.Unload () (at <25400e25dfbe4e5fb25ed950e8174aa7>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.UnloadSingletons () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.UnloadAll () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter.OnDestroy () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)

not finding the waterbeavers at all!?

water-beaver-overhaul_2766781_3.3.4

[lethal topaz]

i have a problem with the last red error message, timbercommons worked after deinstalling from the modmanager and manually reinstalling it, but idk how to resolve: Good.Ballon.DisplayName ; i reinstalled the ballontrade mod multiple times with different versions but the water beaver mod still doesnt appear when i start timberborn

[lethal topaz]

Maybe it wants to tell me that i am a bad ballon and dont know whats a good one is since it isnt my dictionary

[heavy lodge]

lapan must add the missing keys to dictionary ...

[storm prawn]

Is that screenshot from before or after you reinstalled TimberCommons (shows v1.4, needs v1.5+, latest is v1.6)? Missing localization keys give a non-fatal error afaik, so that's probably not it but idk

[lethal topaz]

From before

The only error message I now get is : the given key Good.Ballon.DisplayName wasn't present in the dictionary

[lethal topaz]

Lapan?

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber

[lethal topaz]

Oh the creator Xd

[sullen cape]

Don't worry about the ballon name, Lapan just hasn't added it in yet. You can get the same errors with the deep mines and fluid dump, for example but the game works fine

[lethal topaz]

Oh OK, but I still can't see white beavers as a choosable faction

[heavy lodge]

Drop here the LogOutput.log file from BeepinEX folder to take a look into.

[lethal topaz]

Will do when I am back from work

[shell fiber]

timber commons missing again 😓

there's gotta be something wrong with it

people keep missing it 🤔

[sullen cape]

When I started installing Timberborn mods, I accidently extracted the zipped mods into a new folder, only to realise you shouldn't do that as they are already in their own folders within the zip file 😅
Wonder if this trips a few people up...

[shell fiber]

oh well actually some mods get dumped loose when you unpack them so be careful

[sullen cape]

While I made dedicated folders for installing mods for the game, knowing my luck 🤣

[shell fiber]

darn, i lost some data when update Timbercommon

does anyone remembers the range of the irrigation towers ? i think it was 9/12/18 or something ?

ah, no that's fine.

unity couldn't read the old script anymore, but opening it in visual studio the range is still written inside

it was 11/15/23

[sullen cape]

I'm still running an old version, and I keep my downloads too

[rancid tulip]

it seams it's not finding Waterbeavers at all?

[shell fiber]

you're missing a few dependencies
[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Missing the following dependencies: Hauling2RecipeFix, Lapantouflemagic.storage1x1x2

[rancid tulip]

So I am, that's remarkably easy to miss

I wonder if it can be written in rainbow text?

[shell fiber]

sadly that's not in my hands

but i'm starting to think that people are starting to get issues like that simply due to the amounts of mods to download

probably people click download, assume it will be done in an instant, and quit with stuff half downloaded

[rancid tulip]

I can't even find Hauling2RecipeFix to download it. . . searching mod.io for 'Hauling' didn't turn it up

haven't even looked for storage112 yet

"Prioritize by Haulers" Improved?

[Warning:Improve /Prioritize by Haulers//] Skipped: Minimum TimberAPI version required: 0.6.5.0, current TimberAPI version: 0.6.3.1

[shell fiber]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/prioritize-by-haulers-improved

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/2-tall-small-storage

[rancid tulip]

[Info : TimberAPI] Mod loading started
[Info : TimberAPI] Found 4 mods
[Info : TimberAPI] Deserialized 4 mods
[Info :BalloonTrade] Loaded version 1.0.2.0
[Info :TimberCommons] Loaded version 1.6.0.0
[Info :FloodgateTriggersPlugin] FloodgateTriggersPlugin is loaded.
[Info :FloodgateTriggersPlugin] Loaded version 4.0.4.0
[Info :Water Extention] Loaded version 0.8.1.0
[Info : TimberAPI] Mod loading finished in: 70ms, Loaded mods:4

I think my problem runs deeper. I had those, or have themm. and the mod loader is only finding 4 of my mods.?

[shell fiber]

can you send a screenshot of your plugins folder ?

[rancid tulip]

my last attempt it found 16 of them, but still barfed

[shell fiber]

hmm, that "old" folder shouldn't be there

you should probably zip it

[rancid tulip]

old just houses the .zips

[shell fiber]

and i can see a duplicate of timber commons

oh okay then

[rancid tulip]

timber-commons and timbercommons

well the 1.4 can go

[shell fiber]

oh your 2 tall small storage is old

yep

you have trading balloons twice too

[rancid tulip]

2.1.7 small storage>

balloon trade and trading ballons

becaues they needed two names.

they both look like 1.0.2 ?

[shell fiber]

i think one is from the modmanager

and one is manual download

generally speaking modmanager doesn't recognize manually downloaded mods

so it's better to stick to one

[rancid tulip]

seriously the modmanager is more of a tripping hazzard

[shell fiber]

for this mod yes

i'm thinking about making a "mod pack" that contains the essentials for this mod, but some of the mods i would like to put inside are not mine

[rancid tulip]

ok, i think I will try again after that open surgury.

[shell fiber]

like i could pack logstairs, billboards, 1x1x2 storage, housing optimize and hauler fix into one, that would be great

[shell fiber]

not anytime soon

don't mind it, i'm half talking to myself

[rancid tulip]

also it's slow enough that I am still here while it tries

[shell fiber]

you mean potato PC ?

[rancid tulip]

[Info :TimberAPI Core] TimberAPI 0.6.5.0 - Timberborn 0.5.9.1, loader: BepInEx
[Info : TimberAPI] Mod loading started
[Info : TimberAPI] Found 4 mods
[Info : TimberAPI] Deserialized 4 mods
[Info :Storage1x1x2] Loaded version 2.2.0.0
[Info :TimberCommons] Loaded version 1.6.0.0
[Info :FloodgateTriggersPlugin] FloodgateTriggersPlugin is loaded.
[Info :FloodgateTriggersPlugin] Loaded version 4.0.4.0
[Info :Water Extention] Loaded version 0.8.1.0

[Info : TimberAPI] Mod loading finished in: 83ms, Loaded mods:4

83 ms is not enough ms

[shell fiber]

can you put the full log ?

or is it the same as before ?

if it just doesn't see some mods, best is to delete them and re-download

but generally speaking i would still avoid keeping old zip files in there

maybe put them one level above ?

[rancid tulip]

It seams to have reverted ya

going to have to try the delete all and re-download.

[shell fiber]

ahh, uuh, did someone try playing with timbercommons 1.6 ?

[shell fiber]

oh wait, the game loaded but you couldnt load your save ?

[rancid tulip]

ya, the game loads, but when I go to load the saves it loads most but not all of the mods and then fails because it didn't load a few of the mods

after redownloading everything, it found the waterbeavers again.

Oh Glorious"

[Warning: Unity Log] The EnvironmentVertexColorPrefabOptimizer registry size is now 204, exceeding the expected size of 30
"

I missed you!

[shell fiber]

okay, gotta go for tonight !

have fun !

[rancid tulip]

[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (32, 33, 9). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (33, 32, 9). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (33, 31, 9). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject Crappywindmill6(Clone) at (32, 31, 6). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (33, 31, 12). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (73, 4, 13). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (84, 110, 15). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (84, 111, 15). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject StraightToVerticalPowerShaft.WaterBeavers(Clone) at (84, 111, 16). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject BetterDamDrainPIPE(Clone) at (101, 101, 9). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject BetterDamDrainPIPE(Clone) at (101, 101, 10). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded BlockObject BetterDamDrainPIPE(Clone) at (98, 102, 8). It's not backward compatible. Deleting it.
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't validate loaded

..... what all is going to be left!?!?

.... well the damage was not 0 but not bad.

my crappy waterwheels make power but don't animate anymore.

[distant wigeon]

Known issue.

[rancid tulip]

I have been out of loop since just before the balloons update

my watergagues are nolonger working either. . .

nope that one is my fault. didn't re-download it with my mass downloading

[lethal topaz]

[

[heavy lodge]

hmm, it seems that TimberAPI get corrupted. Delete the TAPI folder from the plugins folder and downlod the TimberAPI again with the Mod Manager. If you got the same error, downlod-it from ModIO web site and unpack the archive to the plugins folder.

[rancid tulip]

interesting my level 1 irrigation towers show nan% for their effectiveness, and are nolonger expelling any contamination from my soils

[distant wigeon]

This sounds like something from the Water extention mod.

[rancid tulip]

My level 3 water tower works just fine, just the level1 tower that's floundering.

[rancid tulip]

where do we get the basic balm?

[rancid tulip]

nvm found it

[glossy hornet]

What progress would you expect the average player to be at at cycle 10?

[rancid tulip]

couldn't say, I am at cycle 141, and have not build the university/technical school yet. Just finishing up tech level 2. (but I leave the game on overnight just building resources. so...)

[shell fiber]

largely depends on players, but at cycle 10 you probably should have the library running and stating to get on the architect or the mechanic.
but it also depends on your map

[shell fiber]

updated 1x1x2 storage with giant piles

but it's not live yet (you have to ask the webside for other versions)

in case there is issues with it

[shell fiber]

you might need the latest version of WBO for it to work properly

and about that : updated

you'll need the latest version of Timber commons

[radiant heart]

anything special with last update ?

👀

[shell fiber]

it has the display data for the WP gigantic piles

i flipped the planks and treated planks visualization

[radiant heart]

so the giant storage is in?

[shell fiber]

it's in storage 1x1x2

but only the piles for now

[radiant heart]

won't close just for that but will load it when i reset 😉 that 10 mins loading is getting shitty a bit

[sullen cape]

I think my old Ironteeth save used to take 10 minutes to load lol 😂

[twilit trench]

Hrrm, anyone have any advice on handling badwater? short of making a hundred waterproof huts and not using em, I cant find a way to divert or separate the badwater... also dont have the underground blocks to stop the contaminated dirt spread....

[radiant heart]

got to live with it at fist, once you can irrigate a peice of land far from the rivers move your farming there

@shell fiber tried to select a receipe on the buffet and it crashed my game 😦

[twilit trench]

Err, just noticed a bug in the medical beds. The bed for injury will treat disease using sake and the bed for illness will treat injury using bramble flowers

[twilit trench]

Hrrm, deeper dive, it seems it's bramble flowers for disease and sake for injuries, just the bed names are inverted

[radiant heart]

Rolled back to 3.3.4 ( and forgot to roll back the 2-tallstorgaes) that crashed too, once i rolled both back everything was ok,

[obsidian dagger]

hello, downloaded mod today, not sure if its on my end or mod but i cant get the crappy water wheel to load, its there. just not visibly

[radiant heart]

crappy wheels are having a hard time but if you plug something into it it should work, it's just an animation thing

[obsidian dagger]

thank you!

[radiant heart]

YW

Lowering pop one dirt block at the time 🤣

[shell fiber]

goddammit, i though i had fixed that a while ago 🤔

[shell fiber]

you know each dirt bloc can allow you to place two log levees if a narrow wall is all you want 😉

[shell fiber]

you have the layer-skimming tool enabled, that's probably why it doesn't display

[radiant heart]

don't give me that easy way out, i'll do it as i please 🤣

[shell fiber]

aaah, stupid game engine, i see what the issue is

it's upset at the reciepes calling the same lockkey

okay, was there anything else that urgently needed fixing ?

[radiant heart]

the 2-tall also mad eme crash with WB 3.3.4, not sure if it needs a fix or just that 3.3.5 works

(and the lemonade stand entrance 😉 )

[shell fiber]

yes it's normal it is going to crash because it tries to find display data that doesn't exist in 3.3.4

oh yes, right

[radiant heart]

don'T forget to send Knatte the fix so the frog statue works 😉

[obsidian dagger]

you are right, when its set to infinity its disappears, any set level its there.

[radiant heart]

geez, basic balm is a pain in the... 2 clay pits per alchimist? anyone done the maths on those ? 😅

no wonder i can't get rid of the burns

[rare ferry]

Ya, I can never get the balm either. Getting the 300 for the clinic takes a ton of cycles.

[radiant heart]

never realized the ratio on those up to now, bottleneck been on resin for a bit but the 2 pits per alchimist... now i understand

[thorny pelican]

sorry, no maths, but I'm feeling the pain right now 🤣

[shell fiber]

whelp, lowered it to 1 clay instead of 2

[radiant heart]

that should help a bit, thx!

[shell fiber]

small update incomming soon

mostly fixes the buffet crash

but also added the hooman underground facility operating team

which is expensive, but can manufacture a bunch of stuff that was until now a chore to make

specifically crude sawblades, gears, scaffoldings, screw axles, and paper for good measure

but that consumes drill bits

which should not be too much of an issue since at this point you should have a factory dedicated entirely to this

[radiant heart]

"a" factory🤣 got 2 soon to be 3

[shell fiber]

I didn't run any number on that thing for a change

Tell me if it's too much of a drag, I'll change the recipes if need be

The other option was to have it consume hooman relics

[radiant heart]

will give i a try after lunch when kids are napping

[shell fiber]

But I intend to have relics be a "toy"consumable

[radiant heart]

BTW did you nerf the range of irrigation tower ? lost half that greenhouse at some point, not sure what version it went bye bye

[shell fiber]

hmm, that's due to some change to the scripts in Timbercommons

tell me where you're at with the new version and if needed i'll adjust the range

by the way, uploading now

and it's late so i'll be going to sleep 😉

[twilit trench]

ooph, ran the updates for about 3 mods, then this

[shell fiber]

arh

can you copy paste the crash log here ?

but i'm going to sleep, so unless it's trivial you might have to wait until tomorrow 🤐

[twilit trench]

aye... trying to recover... looks like the mod isn't working/enabled. Whitepaws aren't showing

[glossy hornet]

Don’t update until tomorrow, gotcha /hj

[twilit trench]

Welp, there it is

v0.5.9.1-33dabbc-sw
ArgumentException: Faction with id Waterbeavers not found.
Timberborn.FactionSystem.FactionSpecificationService.GetFaction (System.String id) (at <9e09aa6ff3394d5b8f00970db75ec0ed>:0)
Timberborn.GameFactionSystem.FactionService.SetCurrentFaction (System.String factionId) (at <f02dd804a6234353a25598b971025c50>:0)
Timberborn.GameFactionSystem.FactionService.Load () (at <f02dd804a6234353a25598b971025c50>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.DMD<Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService::LoadSingletons>(Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.DMD<Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService::LoadAll>(Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter.Start () (at <0e3e6ee2836245889b8990ec366615c3>:0)

checking the dependancies by hand

[shell fiber]

Do you have timberAPI installed ? If yes can you screenshot your plugins folder ?

[twilit trench]

Timber API yes, err, by SS plugins folder, do you the explorer window, or is there a subwindow I'm missing?

hrrm, just noticed that the overhaul may be duped...

narp, tried yanking the "waterbeaverfaction" folder but left the "Water-Beaver-Overhaul" folder

[heavy lodge]

timber-commons 1.4 ? It should not be 1.6 ?

[radiant heart]

commons needs 1,5 at minimum

[glossy hornet]

Nah that’s what they’re talking about. It’s to check if you have any incompatibilities or duped mods or w/e

Also yeah the modman defaults to 1.4 for commons

[twilit trench]

tried to update that one about 900 times, even pulled and reinstalled... sec trying to force

[glossy hornet]

I did it by clicking on the mod in the modman and then you can select which version to download and it worked fine

[twilit trench]

it wouldn't flip it over normally, finally got it but removing it, quit, restart, open mod, select version THEN download

[glossy hornet]

Oh yeah I think I had to make it uninstall then install the right version

[twilit trench]

hrrm, is TBMPL being installed as a dependancy, dont remeber having that before

[glossy hornet]

yeah I remember that not being on the list... weird

[twilit trench]

Oy Vey, i think I found it... for some reason it updated the Water beaver overhaul mod... but unchecked "enabled" >.<... I think I failed the "is it plugged in" test

and it didn't reenable it after uninstall/reinstall

[glossy hornet]

I forgot to reinstall it after purging the whole mod list lol you're not alone

[twilit trench]

Brothers in... err... flappy thingies..... ARMS! Yes!

Hrrm, yea, bug report!

Irrigation tower now seems to have zero range

or at least doesn't enable irrigation in range. Irrigation tower lodge seems to still work though

[twilit trench]

Gah, another errm, "bug"? All my 3x3 storage piles are showing as "Depreciated Entity", I can rebuild em, but they dont seem to play well for logistics

[radiant heart]

probably has to do with the new storage update, mine are locked back by science also

[radiant heart]

with everything updated it's still missing 3~4 tiles to have the same range as previously.

don't loose sleep over it it's not that big of an issue

[radiant heart]

?

[twilit trench]

Info for the irrigation tower thing

And yeebus, divide by zero error?

[radiant heart]

idk, game is not crashing just getting those warnings

[radiant heart]

this is not an issue, just that the name of the thing is not set in the "name list" it's not that thing cauzing the irrigation tower problem

the lido one lost range too, lapan said something about the script that changed a bit, probably downs the range of the crappy one to 0

[radiant heart]

Looks like even the ones not built are draining, taht gage ain't going up 🤔

[radiant heart]

Even with the nerfing balm just can't keep up, i think the biggest thing is the med beds for burn should not use that. in comparaison to the other 2 beds, that one is quite demanding. brambles you just get them and sake is an easy thing with the barrels.
Tought about swapping the balm for the bamboo shots but that would lock the burn healing behind the tree nursery. 🤔 (would it be that bad?) Not sure what else would make sence for that but i think you get whre i'm going with that. Balm sould be for the clinics not the beds, think that would help a lot to balance it out cauz even at ~~11 ~~ 15alchi on balm ( and yes they have the storages right across the streets) It's always mostly staying in the single digits

other option would be to lower the burn rate a bit, at least for the minor ones

[shell fiber]

They still work, no worries

[radiant heart]

could district crossings get a little kick? trying for real but 7 crosssings and can't feed a 75 pop district independant on water and basic crops 🤔 ok with the "build more" but... if you need 200 pop to get stuff to 100 pop...

[shell fiber]

Hmm... That's not normal

[shell fiber]

Hmm okay I'll see what I can do

[radiant heart]

scratching my head how to move things around a bit maybe without breaking it totally

it's just feels way too demanding as it is

[shell fiber]

Well but would that work with the vanilla district crossing ? Probably not much more 🤔

How much stuff are you trying to transfer ?

[radiant heart]

teh second district it independant on basic CW crops and water, basically they iport the "luxury stuff" ( except deluxe stew they make theyr own)

ain't vanilla districts liek 10 workers?

[shell fiber]

Yeah

You'd need 5 instead of 10 but that would still make 50 workers

[radiant heart]

got 7 atm so 35 workers

[shell fiber]

There's something I wanted to try with balloons and district crossing but that wasn't exactly a priority

And the answer to your problem should obviously be trains 😉

[radiant heart]

choo choo works with WB? don't think my PC would survive trains on top of that tho 🤔

[shell fiber]

But isn't the house version hitting more too?

[shell fiber]

Not yet

As far as I know

[radiant heart]

house version is 8 but i'm on platforms and don't need those extra mouths on the small side

that's why i was taling about double doors storages, could have that "storage wall" between 2 districts and the haulers would do the job

or a "district crossing tower"?
+300 cap
+100 speed
😝

on another line of toughts, the giant cold press for juice could bypassed simply by having the basic presses running "workerless" like the shroom maker and such. once they tossed the fruits in there power does the pressing no need to watch it go 🤷‍♂️

anyway, time to hit the bed, later 👋

[shell fiber]

true, but that would not reduce the amount of housing in the press

and also even if i make some super efficient building, there's eventually a bottleneck in the amount of work it takes to bring stuff in/out

[thorn dune]

Hello I am back quickly to beg for the bad water caps to be enabled in water beavers. looking at the new map competition entries a lot of them have mixed good/bad water sources in one place and without the caps it seems very difficult to really play them with wb.

there's another issue with mixed good/bad water where I'm not sure showers will work right, and it might not be possible to set up a pit of clean water to shower in quickly enough. another feature of the new maps is a lot of mixed good/bad at the start you have to clean up

[radiant heart]

showers should work unless you are in 100% badwater,

you have options to "purify" water, the drain house or the canon let you pick clean water only so oyou can divert it to somewhere else and have a clean water pool/river independant from the mixed one

[radiant heart]

such a bottleneck is not really an issue with 4-5 haulers towers 😉
my biggest thing atm is trying to reduce pop a bit (mostly to help my PC) but i fail miserably, while i remove 4-5 pop here i create another 10-15 over there 😅

[twilit trench]

a non-bug but annoyance to note: When making a blueprint, I an make one and then copy it off, that parts easy. The problem is the building queues resources for a second blueprint, and then when it starts at 0% it "consumes" the resources so even if I switch I lose the consumed resources. Normally I would switch to say a gear and the resources queued would then be hauled out but not in this case.

And aye, it took me forever to find the the 10 hauler forester/tapper tower... would it be possible for a feature request for a forester/logger tower?

[radiant heart]

yeah the forester/chopper combo would be nice, normally i get a forester up, plant the pines and delete it to be replaced by the tapper shack. Don't racall keeping both in the same area

[shell fiber]

how didn't I think of that ?
Of course beavers exploring the ruins need cereal bars !

sorry, that was completely unrelated to anything 😅

[radiant heart]

they need also strong alcool theyr "liquid courage" 🤣

[shell fiber]

like... it would sit on top of a forester and a logfelling planification lodge ?

that's...technically doable but it would mess with the regular stackability of the woodfelling lodge

but to be honest, i'm not entirely sure resing tapping is truly deserving of its own entire dedicated building

the task could be entirely dumped on the gatherer

and if i can find an opportunity i would definitely reuse the tapper's shack skin

it would indeed be nice for a lumberjack house

[radiant heart]

yes!

so all the "tappers" would be removed to go to the gatherer?

[twilit trench]

Or invert them, the tappers got a lot of love, and are needed, but loggers are SO much more central to the game

[shell fiber]

regarding the blueprint issue, there is only so much i can do, but there's a trick to save your ressources : do NOT make any storage nor order anyone to copy the blueprint nor fancyfy it. this way it stays stuck in the mechanic's / architect's lodge, and because the output is full, the ressource can't be consumed for round 2.
then in that state, just change the reciepe to whatever, and then allow storage of the BP / fancyfy it

[shell fiber]

meh, now that i made a tapper's flag, there's not so much point in that

what i'm thinking is more in the likes of "have a stackable and non-stackable variant of all of those"

yeah that seems like a good plan

[twilit trench]

Except the tappers flay is like -50% and the tapper hut is about +100% I think

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah true

yeah i did that to make sure there was a point in building the house variant

[twilit trench]

nodnod

[shell fiber]

let me finish what i was doing then i'll poke at that

[twilit trench]

Mayeb something like the other "utility" buildings? Use flags, but you have a tappers convention? Maybe needs booze to run! lol

[shell fiber]

right, i was working on the abyss upgrades and so on

so i'm making a "abyss tourism center"

but should it be a house or not ?

[radiant heart]

about the abyss things, the metahne one is cool but it breaks the lotus chain since nenuphars are clogging it all not beeing used for methane

[radiant heart]

is it watertight?

[shell fiber]

i kind of want he endgame to allow reducing the beaver population at some degree

[shell fiber]

no

[twilit trench]

use engines to burn the excess methane?

[radiant heart]

didn't even unlock those, full on nuclear and large wheels produce like 10x the power i need

[radiant heart]

so not a house if we follow the "base principle"

[shell fiber]

the base principle is actually the other way around : if it is watertight, it must be a house, but non-watertight things can be houses 😉
for example the district center 😉 (although maybe i should change that)

[radiant heart]

watertight district center would be nice, i mean it's the base of the colony based on stuff beeing watertight

[shell fiber]

wait what ? didn't i change the wood burner to burn sawdust slower ages ago ?

[radiant heart]

tought so

now that you mention it i'm not sure

[twilit trench]

Heh, I went solar

[radiant heart]

went solar on my previous run, on thousand island ground space is at a premium so solar was not really an option ( unles it can tolerate one deep of water?) 🤔

[shell fiber]

nope

it clearly has live wires running on the floor 😅

[radiant heart]

that's new

[twilit trench]

Bah! So it works fine in freshwater, maybe a little hydrogen on the side, but fails catastrophically in badwater?

[radiant heart]

Rhut RHO... just noticed, thanks reduced range on towers 😢

[shell fiber]

oh i'm increasing the range by 2 in the comming update

that should restore the previous range

[radiant heart]

it's one tile short to keep the tree alive 🤣 so yeah, +2 should fix that one

not sure if it's actually 2 or 3 looking at that one tho

and can't figure out what's up with the vege stew yet, up to double the amount of kitchens on those, plenty of ingredients but it's barely ticking up (like it hovers between 0 and 100) while the mush stew and fried rice are alway full at 4,7k🤔

Euuuu, WTF it's still drying ?

[shell fiber]

are they actually running ? do they all recieve ingredients ?

[radiant heart]

yes, they are in the same exact spot as the other kitchens with all the storage right beside

1 to 8 are there and another 8 at another spot

[shell fiber]

hmm... probably it gets eaten more because it fills more needs 🤔

[radiant heart]

maybe, i figured with the buffet it should not be tho but even with the buffet filled to the max it still can't fill up

[shell fiber]

i made a couple minor changes to the reciepes and the needs they fill, hopefully that will be more balanced

[radiant heart]

will see!

[shell fiber]

new update uploaded !

[radiant heart]

No kaboom !

[rancid knoll]

I updated the app by hand. (Deleted old

[radiant heart]

my baobab is still drying out tho, no clue what's wrong with that one

[rancid knoll]

lets try that again. I updated by hand. Deleted the old waterbeaverfaction directory and put the download in to the directory again. no errors. Now i get a new error when i boot

[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Skipped: An item with the same key has already been added. Key: Lapantouflemagic.WaterBeaverFaction
[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Missing the following dependencies: Lapantouflemagic.BalloonTrade, Lapantouflemagic.storage1x1x2\

what did i do wrong?

[radiant heart]

you are lacking 2 depedencies ( or are not updated to the proper version) 2-tall storages and balloon

[rancid knoll]

hmmm thought they were there

[radiant heart]

maybe not the right version

[rancid knoll]

ahh

ya they were gone

still getting

[Warning:Storage1x1x2] Skipped: An item with the same key has already been added. Key: Lapantouflemagic.storage1x1x2
[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Skipped: An item with the same key has already been added. Key: Lapantouflemagic.WaterBeaverFaction

[radiant heart]

this looks like duplicates in the pluggin folder

[rancid knoll]

game is crashing when i try to resubscribe to ballons

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber something is up with the connection on those,

[shell fiber]

If you download something manually you don't need to tell the mod manager you have it, that will make it download it again

[rancid knoll]

now im getting these errors

[Warning:BalloonTrade] Skipped: An item with the same key has already been added. Key: Lapantouflemagic.BalloonTrade
[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Skipped: An item with the same key has already been added. Key: Lapantouflemagic.WaterBeaverFaction
[Warning:WaterBeaverFaction] Missing the following dependencies: Lapantouflemagic.Billboards

[shell fiber]

Maybe you need to build a path 🤔

[rancid knoll]

mod manager says they are there and updated

[radiant heart]

where? the bottom one is connected

[shell fiber]

Mod manager doesn't know what it's doing

[rancid knoll]

lol k

[Error : Unity Log] The given key Good.Balloon.DisplayName was not present in the dictionary.

new error

[shell fiber]

Not an issue

[rancid knoll]

think i found a brpboelm

problem

[radiant heart]

top one won't connect from the top. so i guess it's something with the top of the bottom one not connecting to the others 🤔

[shell fiber]

Indeed that's odd

Welp tomorrow !

GN !

[radiant heart]

GN!

[rancid knoll]

yep that wasnt it

you mentioned i need a path?

night

[radiant heart]

the path is for my problem not your crashing 😉

[rancid knoll]

ah ty

is the fix deleting the mods and letting it reinstall?

[radiant heart]

usualy i delete and reload, some mods are not working well with the mod manager for "update" and will crash the game

WB and 2 tall storage to mention a few

not sure about balloon

[rancid knoll]

delete everything but the mid manager?

mod manager even

[radiant heart]

just the mods you want to update

[rancid knoll]

i did that but i shoukld try again

[radiant heart]

i'd say keep bepinX and mod manager at bare minimum

[rancid knoll]

think im gonna go for broke

[glossy hornet]

I’d keep bepin, timberapi, and the modman. iirc the api’s a requirement for the modman

Also double check you’re downloading the latest timbercommons, the modman likes to download 1.4 instead of 1.5 and it screws everything up

[rancid knoll]

k

says 1.6

now just getting this error

[Error : Unity Log] The given key Good.Balloon.DisplayName was not present in the dictionary.

[radiant heart]

this is a non-issue, just name calling thing not happening, i get it too and can play no problem

[glossy hornet]

Didn’t know it updated, haven’t played all weekend

[rancid knoll]

thats the only error but water beaver isnt an option in new game

ahhh cause it isnt listed even thouh i told it too

ill do it by hand

i see dont trust the mid mamanger

manager

mod manager im old my fingers dont work anymore

[radiant heart]

i do it with mod manager and don't ahve problems

[rancid knoll]

yes that fixed it all

everything back

thank you very much

[radiant heart]

yw

[rancid knoll]

im a retired programer i forgot most of it

but i do remember pascal for some reason....

alright you all have fun i hope not to be back soon 🙂

[thorny pelican]

just noticed, the stackable piles are now 2 blocks in height, but the storage space didn't double (dam...) now there's a lot of air that could clearly be filled with logs 🙃

[radiant heart]

had to be done due to some visual glitches with some storages, was the easiest way around that

[thorny pelican]

Ah I see... Sawblades sticking through the roof in all their beauty?

[radiant heart]

and the glass planes 😉

was a tripping hazard, injuries are already off the charts, don't need anymore

[twilit trench]

My kingdom for flashlights, I;ve lost more beavers to the Gru then I have to starvation

That said, do we have a pic of the layout for the Medium mine? it looks like I need to blow a specific shaped hole in the ground, trying to get it right

[thorny pelican]

there should be a billboard with appropriate instructions

[radiant heart]

there is one 😉

[radiant heart]

if you got ladders unlock all you need is a 3x3 hole

[twilit trench]

Hrrm, was looking at hat for something else, might go for that then, woots!

And found the board, thanks!

[radiant heart]

if it was at all possible to get rid of those injuries probably would be a 90

[shell fiber]

There's a billboard but it is from before the multi-level dynamite were added, ideally I should redo it in a clearer way

[thorny pelican]

nice! how old do your beavers get?

[radiant heart]

didn't hunt for the elder of the tribe but seen a couple above 100

[radiant heart]

Not sure how new this is but good call on swapping the agora material 👍

[obsidian dagger]

nvm on original post, building for set wrong.

do i have to get rid of my primitive ironworks and use the anvil to make the factory?

[radiant heart]

yes, be sure to have enough fastener first 😉

[obsidian dagger]

roger that! thanks!

first time making it this far with whitepaws lol

[radiant heart]

one trick is to set the factory, let your workers bring it all in and once only the anvil is missing then destroy the primitive ironwork

[obsidian dagger]

oh good idea thanks again!

[radiant heart]

yw

[shell fiber]

Don't forget you need a glorious storage for anvils otherwise they can't pick them up from the floor

[obsidian dagger]

i found that out my first play thru. i make those 6 storages pretty early now.

rice seems to be a big struggle for me. between the balls and sake.

[radiant heart]

rice received a good buff recently, you have to plant more 😉

[obsidian dagger]

more farms! haha

[radiant heart]

not reallly more farms, but more planting space ( unless you can't gather all that you are making )

[obsidian dagger]

not enough river where my current farms are to plant more 😦

[radiant heart]

maybe tone down the sake if you're in a big need for food and get it back up when you find more farming ground

[obsidian dagger]

i need it to get alcohol started. i may turn off rice balls for a minute while i do that

plenty of food

i haven't quite figured out the supplies line, there's so much in this.

[radiant heart]

one step at the time, keep food and water comming and slowly move towards the next step

[obsidian dagger]

yeah i over expanded before i got gears which really hurt, now im just trying to upgrade and get some research saved up. i had to turn badtides off because i can't figure it out yet with them.

but ive also spent just as much time looking at what each building does.

[stiff coyote]

I miss this mod and cant wait to play once I figure out what is wrong with my game @.@

[glossy hornet]

Well what’s wrong we might be able to point out the solution

[radiant heart]

no shame trying to learn before going full on, when starting this faction it is almost like a brand new game compared to the other 2

[stiff coyote]

#🚀mod-users I put my last crash report. Someone said try redownloading the WBO and it still sending the same report after doing that.

[radiant heart]

probably missing a depedencies or iT's not the right version ( timbercommons often is not right)

[heavy lodge]

Not quite ... InvalidOperationException: Failed to load asset (Lapantouflemagic.WaterBeaverFaction/Icons_and_textures/NecronomiPage). Asset name does not exists inside bundle

[stiff coyote]

Which I don't understand why its missing? I grabbed the latest file from mod.io

[twilit trench]

Ooph, without save scumming I had a devil of a time getting this to work.... and finally figured it out... it appears I was at map bottom at only 3 levels down... not the 4 needed.... go figgure

[radiant heart]

that sucks 😢

and trying to fill back the whole is so painfull the way WB terraform. if you blasted only 3x3 at least it can make a spot for a giant tank

[twilit trench]

aye, just puts a fer zags in my layout... lol

[radiant heart]

Wasn't it supposed to be drillbits? 🤔

and the "ruin exploration" price on those is a bit bonkers, 150 even 100 would be more then enough to make it long and tidious already

production is very restricted and need to use them for nuclear waste too

[radiant heart]

and ratio... the ruin can make 1 relic per 10h, either the ruin need to produce more or the "fuel" last longer. would need 4 ruins bringning out relics to 1 factory running on gears.

like there is no point even making 2, one can't be fueled full time

As for the tourism center, would it be possible to free up the center spot so at least the ruin can still run while it is beeing built? otherwise it's a huge wall basically stopping all nuclear related stuff (or use the other modules) untill you can store enough to build it

[radiant heart]

All super cool stuff btw, don't wanna sound like i'm shitting on that stuff.

just think it's a bit too much versus the amount of rss available for those. it's not like wood or food that you can just "make more", amount of deep ruins is limited

The 4 cereals bar in the ruin is a bit harsh, went from "i'm ok on nuts" to "god dam i can't even have 10 in stock"

Not total removal but dropping it to 2 or3 maybe?

[radiant heart]

Fun fact, the "power network lag" is going away the more i remove medium water wheels. could it be the game recalculating the "aura" of the wheels everytimes you make a change to the network? 🤔

[shell fiber]

Well I figured if you already have multiple factories making only this, it would be better to consume hooman relics and allow it to make drill bits too

[shell fiber]

Was it that slow to pull relics out ?

Okay I'll adjust then

[shell fiber]

Probably make the ruin produce more

Or a combination of both

[shell fiber]

Was the building so expensive ?

Oh in terms of exploration maps right, I'll lower that

If it's not excessively pricey or should be fine having to unplug the whole mine for a little while

[shell fiber]

As you probably could figure, I may or may not have run the numbers 😅

[shell fiber]

Same for that

[shell fiber]

Hmmm...

I should really toss this whole system though the window...

That would also allow the jail to work as I wanted

I'll probably have some time to mod tomorrow 👍 I'll fix all that mess

[shell fiber]

I'll look into it

[shell fiber]

That's weird... How can you be the only one to have this 🤔
Also didn't I remove this resource entirely ? Maybe you have some leftover specification letting around, but I need to check which mod it comes from

[heavy lodge]

Nope, was in the crash sended by Miki_Silence 🤣

[stiff coyote]

Thank you

[radiant heart]

i don't mind the switch, actually makes sence, just that the drillbits it's easy to just make more, not like the relics 😉

[radiant heart]

yes, well, not the relics, the ruin explorations thing were terrible. to be fair tho i didn't stop the nuclear waste production so it sure not helped but on that map i have access to 3 deep ruins ( 2 only on waste) so basicaly it took the time that one mine alone would take. and it was awefull

[radiant heart]

"little" keuf keuf. since that one is 3 wide and just a bonus recreation it's not that terrible if it stays pricy, it's really about the unplugging. specially with the underground laboratory (btw would be nice of those to make balm 😉 ) i tought about downing amount of alcimist thanks to that but if they can't run... yeah, gonna be delayed.

Actually in my case gonne be a rerouting too, shafts are running by the back of the mine 😅

[radiant heart]

it's okay i guess just as long as it's not on powered stuff

And endothermic essence for dynamite? not sure where that makes sence 😉

Regarding the district tranfer bottleneck, i think that just upgrading internal storage to something like 100 instead of 30 could help, sometimes beavers carry almost nothing since the other side is not empty. not gonna break the amount of workers or give a dumb ass boost to the capasity and walking. worth a try IMO if it can actualy be changed

[radiant heart]

alright, going full retard and pausing nuclear, let's see how fast it goes!

[radiant heart]

oldest i found so far

[radiant heart]

with the 3 ruins running full blast on explo papers and not spending one on nuclear, it's a bit over one cycle to get the 300 ( already had the relics in stock)

So 4cycles~ish if you got only one ruin

[radiant heart]

• 5 cycles to build it because you don't realize you are out of tar and not making some 😅

[shell fiber]

No need to force yourself to build it right now, I'll adjust the cost today 😅

[sullen cape]

Mind if I ask, what's the life expectancy boost %?

[radiant heart]

between 130 and 150 when not sick/contaminated

[radiant heart]

wanted to give it a try just for fun, don't have much to do anyway while sequoias grow back and i get the giant logs to make the coco balloon project

[sullen cape]

Looks like they'd live to 125 days, nice!

[shell fiber]

Nice banana plantation 😉

[stiff coyote]

After downloading a fresh file from Mod.io three times It has worked!! I have a new settlement up!

[shell fiber]

Oh sorry I finished work really late yesterday, but good job 👍

[stiff coyote]

its ok :) idky it was pulling some weird asset lolz. im just glad i got it working

[radiant heart]

gonna be one maybe 2 more rows when i'm done blasting the mountain

[shell fiber]

It's because when you update a mod, it doesn't delete and reinstall, but just overwrite it, so when erase something like an item that I make but never actually used, the specification for that item remains and is still loaded. But the icons and such are packaged in a different way so old icons actually disappear, hence your crash

[radiant heart]

Side note, underground lab is quite nice

[shell fiber]

Visually ? 😅

[radiant heart]

i like that it's diffrent from the others, easier to find it

[shell fiber]

Next module for the abyss will simply be a mine that can provide with pretty much anything 😉

[radiant heart]

is the lab getting balm? 😇 Plz🥺

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah sure, that seems like something you could manufacture from scratch with hooman tech

[radiant heart]

still not sure what i want to do with the other 3 spots ( one gaz is in construction)

[shell fiber]

I think I'll also going to add a "supplementary exploration team" module too

You can also make multiple labs

[stiff coyote]

i understand that. it was just weird that it kept doing the same crash even when i completely deleted all the mod files, grabbed fresh ones, and put them back

[radiant heart]

to get the relics and/or explo papers like the mainshaft?

[shell fiber]

Same but half the workers 🤔

[radiant heart]

6 or 8 like the other modules maybe

[radiant heart]

except for tar ( and balm) don't really need a lab in there and tar gonna be done soon, once that row is done won't need much of it

Dynamite is a bit pricy, would consider if the endotermic stuff was not in the receipe

beeing able to make all those without the oil is super cool tho, best part of that lab!

[shell fiber]

Oh there's nothing that consumes tar 🤔
Interesting...

[radiant heart]

at least not that i can think of fast

nope, basically it's balloons and dams

[shell fiber]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's only a building resource.
I guess you can expect some plastic toys soon 😅

[radiant heart]

mheee, not everything needs to be a constant need , like planks, if you don't build you don't need them and it's not bad

could be used for trade tho, don't think there is one needing tar

[shell fiber]

True, but I like the idea 😉

[radiant heart]

do adults use toys or it's only a kid thing? never really figured that one out

[shell fiber]

There is no distinction between adult / kits in terms of need

Which is why they can drink wine beer etc

[radiant heart]

guess they just don't have time for toys, not making much but stock stays full

[shell fiber]

Do adults can play with toys too

[shell fiber]

But is the need filled overall ?

[radiant heart]

nope

(and running 15h days)

[shell fiber]

Not enough time to grab it then 🤔

[radiant heart]

there is so much stuff, they can't do it all unless worhours are almost non-existant

[shell fiber]

Yeah

[radiant heart]

will export some to the small district and see what happens ( side district is at 94 WB)

[shell fiber]

🤔

Problem is you can't reduce worktime too much...

Unless there was some purely mechanical kitchen and hauler bots...

[radiant heart]

tried down to 13, not so bad, keeping it at 15 while stuff is building

[radiant heart]

ain't most of the food stuff able to run without workers in there?

[shell fiber]

I think but I don't remember

[radiant heart]

i think even the small coocking tent is running on it's own

BTW, vege stew adjust made it work !

[shell fiber]

Oh great !

[radiant heart]

pretty much done on food stuff, only the foreign food not cutting it, had to swap a lot of polar beavers to hooman meat

and deluxe stew could use 2-3, maybe 5 more tents

after that it's fruit bar time, didn't even start coco import yet 😅 nor making wine

O and thanks for the nenuphar/lotus burner !

[radiant heart]

even in side district only half are getting to play with toys. How about making it like the necklaces, a one time deal, you get your toy with you forever 🤔

There are so much things with decay, some one time done deal would sure be nice. Was thinking also maybe one that the ENS can do, at some point you can just delete it, not like the librairy that gives the books bonus

[shell fiber]

I don't think toys decay, they are like necklaces

[shell fiber]

Good point regarding the ENS 🤔

[radiant heart]

so they don't even have time to grab them ?🤔 storage is full, and only 1/3 has the bonus

[shell fiber]

Yeah the beavers do not take into consideration whether that decays or not, mostly how full they are and how much wellbeing that gives

Toys are only a +2 so that's not super important to them

Oh yeah would you mind testing something ?

[radiant heart]

sure can, what ?

[shell fiber]

If you can find the need specification for toys, try to increase the "importance multiplier" value and see what happens

It should affect how important that is to take toys, but in my testing I never could see any effect

Maybe that is only ever sensitive in situations like yours

[radiant heart]

in what file can i find that?

[shell fiber]

Specification folder, "needspecification.toys.original"

Or something extremely similar

(I'm at work now)

[radiant heart]

got it

"Wastable": false i guess that means no decay

alright, move the importance to 2 instead of 1, now give me 10 for the game to reload

[radiant heart]

Had a conga line at the end of the work day going to the storage 🤣 now almost half got the buff.

So i guess for those "non-decay" stuff importance should be in the higher tier. Anyway once done they don't need to redo it

[obsidian dagger]

is the only place to get dirt the mechanical drills?

[shell fiber]

oh, no no that's not what it means

it means they can overuse it

it it"s wastable

for exemple the cabbage need is wastable

which means beavers can eat them for the hunger value even it that will overfill (waste) cabbage need value

[shell fiber]

yes

[shell fiber]

oh, really ? neat !

i'll set importance to 2 then 🙂

[shell fiber]

okay, so :
ruin exploration : cereal bar cost x0.5 maps generated x1.2 (also supplementary teams if you need more)
hooman relics : 10x faster
abyss tourism cost "only" 100 exploration
chem lab costs 60 exploration
underground factory cost 50 exploration

[shell fiber]

underground box and pile storage got a little price increase (cost 40 exploration) but now have a storage cap of 1 000 000 and 500 000 respectively

because why not ?

who wouldn't want to store a million cabbages ?

[obsidian dagger]

update out?

[shell fiber]

Not finished yet, sorry 😅

Tomorrow !

But the update concerns mostly endgame stuff

[twilit trench]

Don't know if this would be an option, but would it be possible to add a hydroponic option from brambles? Even with the GMO version, I swear keeping enough for science and treatment is nigh impossible

Wups, or I could have missed the "Growing lab" option....

Or the florest... errrmmmm... hides under rock Sorry bout that...

[obsidian dagger]

thats okay, took me 30 minutes of reading the building to figure out which one to take apart lotus flowers only to figure out it was a building i had unlocked 4 cycles prior

[rancid tulip]

Ya. I did the same thing looking for healing balm to cure burns.

totally missed it the first 4-6 times though all the buildables

[radiant heart]

then i think all food and drinks should be set to that, easiest way to aboid chaos mode. sure gonna need to crank up the production a ton but...

[radiant heart]

yup, in 3 days the storage was empty and 75% of my pop had the buff ( compared to 15~20%) probably want to set necklaces like that also

[radiant heart]

but how can i store 1 million of each rss? taht one gonna need a couple "upgrade" modules (14 actually if we talk only food)

[radiant heart]

the best option i found is just reclaim ground space by putting other stuff in the clockwork farms make huge bramble fields ( they also grow in the rivers)

[radiant heart]

(friendly reminder for the "To Do" 😉 )
-top connection of ginormous storage
-balm in ruin lab
-giving yourself a pad on the back for the awesome job

[radiant heart]

Sry if I already asked, don't remember😅
Is it possible to unlock the decoration/monuments/wellbeeing of the IT on the WB or since they are FT based the game won't like it?

windtunnel by the deep ruin could make for quite a fall tho if something goes wrong 🫣 ☠️

(windtunnel got pink walls, WB must have it 😝 )

[stiff coyote]

The Bad Water Bucketing Post says it requires a water source but you can place it anywhere not near water? Is it meant to be like that?

[radiant heart]

the access has to be on ground and the "bucket" over badwater

[stiff coyote]

Yeah but its allowing me to place it absolutely anywhere on the map not near water [compared to like the water pump which only allows placement near water]

[radiant heart]

you could place a water pump over any clif

[stiff coyote]

even in the middle of a completely dead area? it will just allow it to be built?

[radiant heart]

yes

[stiff coyote]

interesting. i didnt even realize the regular water pump would allow that either. i thought it told you it needed water

[radiant heart]

that would prevent building them during a drought, not super practical

[rare ferry]

Is 3.3.7 working? Cant get my map to load after updating.

[twilit trench]

Hrrm, am I mising anything for the Hauling/Construction towers? or do we just build stairs/platforms however we want to the door?

[sullen cape]

What's the error?

[twilit trench]

Looks like I may have answered by own question, I think I need to use a bridge peice to cross the gap

[radiant heart]

it is working, look up the console when you boot up, probably just a depedencie that was not updated