Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

basically assemble them with robot parts, nuclear fuel and dark magic

but they will run on for all eternity

[faint stirrup]

Ooo that would be cool! I was expecting to trade for them from the iron teeth and have to provide them something to animate them or something

[shell fiber]

nah, i'm not particularily interested in bots in this game, they won't have any need i think

[faint stirrup]

Honestly i wouldn't use them if there was a better hauling post

Like an ENS level logistics Lodge, houses 5 but has work places for up to 50 haulers or something

[shell fiber]

yeah that's an option too

[faint stirrup]

I think it would solve the issue without needing bots and be useful to more people perhaps. Plus it gives a use for all the idle beavers i have that i can't give jobs to

[thorn dune]

yeah, being able to have haulers without more beavers than jobs would help a lot. the farm hauler extension lets you do it but it's hard to get enough land

[faint stirrup]

And i never build farms near my industry that needs the haulers most

[radiant heart]

that owuld be a good start, they make 1 gear per day on average so when you need a ton for a building it takes gorever plus the consumption of the buildings, it's really hard to keep up

get megaplatforms back in that can go over those maybe

[thorn dune]

though tbh I think you all need more haulers than me as you've one giant district. while I need 3+ district edge buildings which do give free haulers with no living space

[shell fiber]

oh like a watertighting upgrade for the mechanic and architect ?

that's also a workable idea

[radiant heart]

not too costly for sure but it's a mix of all the others

[shell fiber]

do they work as generic haulers when not busy with stuff ?

[radiant heart]

nope, when beavers have nothing to do they sit on theyr asses

[thorn dune]

no but with lots of small districts the vast amajority of goods are going to or from another district

and local movemnt is very short distance and can be done by workers without everything grinding to a halt

also prevent full chaos mode treks across the entire map. try it 🙂

might possibly speed up pathfinding and so giveyou performance boost too

[shell fiber]

those who are working in workshop yes, but what about the ones from the district crossiing ?

[radiant heart]

iit's ok~ish, everblossom still better for the wood then sequoia. cutting giant logs into logs is more of a failsafe. And the log prod direct from the sequoia is not even worth talking about

[radiant heart]

never researched district crossing so... can't really tell 🤣

[thorn dune]

ah I wasn't sure how good the gatherer collecting branches was

clearly district crossing research cost needs to be cheaper lapan 😉

[shell fiber]

the district crossing ?

[thorn dune]

yeah give them an incentive to try it

[faint stirrup]

I don't think i've used districts since mods became available 😂

[shell fiber]

i think people who don't use district just don't want to build them 😅

[radiant heart]

build more coocking tents, i bumped my pop to 750 yesterday and still no useless eaters or 10 max in rare occasion before the death of old age wave 😆

[radiant heart]

if the crossing was available way sooner, maybe but when i reach that point got a huge mess of a spagetti pathing and making cuts in there is just way too complicated

[faint stirrup]

I'd need 75 tents, i don't have enough space for that

[radiant heart]

tought about building a couple farms in a spot, pause them and dumb haulers upgrade on those 🤣

[shell fiber]

you sure ?

it's true that 300 science is waaaay to expensive

[radiant heart]

maybe... you know how i like my huge district but could be an incentive to try to split early on

[faint stirrup]

I had considered splitting a seperate food district, industry but it was already too late by the time i had it as i had better things for the science
Maybe if it was free? Available from the start would make it more usable

[radiant heart]

and with more workers, maybe? 3 only is a bit week compared to the 10 in the vanilla game

[faint stirrup]

It will need more than base game i'd imagine considering how many items there are to move

Food and drink alone

[shell fiber]

eh, let's remove the science cost entirely

also i just made a watertight house variant

and gave them 5 workers (including the non-watertight one)

[radiant heart]

the crossing beeing watertight would be nice too

[shell fiber]

i'll put in some sort of hauling center at least for testing purposes

time to go to bed

[radiant heart]

GN

[shell fiber]

GN

[faint stirrup]

GN

Ok i'm going mad, is anyone else having issues with the cooking house making cereal bars?

[radiant heart]

think i got 5 and it'a always empty

[faint stirrup]

I think i found my hauler backlog 😂 the beavers put 7 water in, then take 7 water out, constantly, they never leave it in there

[thorn dune]

I killed a lot of my berries with dam projects but otherwise it works fine. I'm still on .18 tho

oh dear that sounds like the builder problem me and someone else had a while ago

[radiant heart]

berries are not my problem large warehouse always full

[faint stirrup]

Like they actually get a request to empty it

Same issue with fried rice

[radiant heart]

i gave up on fried rice long ago, using the oil for chips and barely can keep up

[faint stirrup]

Looks like it may be the cook house as a whole, tea is doing the same
I'm trying to make omni food and wondering why i have 40k food but basically nothing from cookhouses

[radiant heart]

i can't make the omni food, not even making vegie and mush stews

[shell fiber]

Aaaah shit

[thorn dune]

are you low on water? is the water in the cookhouses the only water avaialble to give to something else?

[radiant heart]

going towards the omni drink atm

[faint stirrup]

I thought you were going to bed

I have 23k water

[radiant heart]

i ran on 0 water for a few cycles while the CW are building up 🤣

[shell fiber]

I'm in bed 😅

[faint stirrup]

😂

[shell fiber]

Uuh for a hot fix, go on the mod specifications folders find the one that is called "recipe specification . Icemelt original" or something like that and open it with notepad. Then replace "water" by whatever like Methane. Save and pretend that recipe didn't exist

[radiant heart]

think i found it , RE: cereal bars, the food and care clinic eats them up

[shell fiber]

It's the recipe melting ice back in water that makes a mess

GN for real this time

[faint stirrup]

GN, i will try the hot fix and let you know

[shell fiber]

👍

[faint stirrup]

That works!

Here is the file contents for anyone interested

And we have pizza! woop woop

[radiant heart]

GG, might get to pizza by the end of the week, need to start making those foods i was not producing first

[faint stirrup]

I need to sort the drinks out and massively bump up berries but i'm pretty much at the end of the game now

and i have haulers available! i can't believe i didn't spot that sooner

[radiant heart]

was all set on drinks but now coffee is a bit of an issue, getting beans instead of the finished product trew a wrench in the machine

[faint stirrup]

I haven't looked at it yet

[radiant heart]

was doing ok with 5 coffee balloons but now that we import the seeds need to get all the processing up

probably gonna end that run when i reach the omni drink, keep it around to test end game stuff but start a new one

whatever i try to do it's gears blocking me atm anyway

[faint stirrup]

I'm doing omni food/drinks then starting again. You don't need much production of the individual items to make loads
I hardly make any cereal bars and i have over 13k pizza right now

[radiant heart]

biggest issue atm is find a spot to build the pizzeria 🤣

[faint stirrup]

I threw mine over water in the middle of my main strip, its position looks awful but works great

made another 3k pizza 😂 got to love it, i was expecting it to be super slow to produce

[radiant heart]

my water is filled with wheels and crops, not much room to build in there

[faint stirrup]

It is pretty big

[radiant heart]

maybe when my 2 last spader CW are done i can start and unplant some , that could be enough room for the pizzeria

[faint stirrup]

I stopped making CW when it got to this level

[radiant heart]

i'm not getting there, at least not on that playtrough

[faint stirrup]

It took a very long time tbh, i'm just leaving the game to run on my pc in the background while at work its taking so long

Time to give my pc a break and leave the house 🤢

[radiant heart]

the shitty one is spaderdock specially, the 5k water takes forever

[faint stirrup]

Thats for sure

[radiant heart]

Just to be sure, there is still 0 irrigation option untill you destroy the broken kart right?

[radiant heart]

Vegies stew icon is gone

[faint stirrup]

That's been gone for ages

[faint stirrup]

I think so

[radiant heart]

that's bad, trying to think about something but other then having natural holes around and causing a massive flood qith houses blocking the river i don't see what can be done in a "smart" way.

I don't like having to rush anything, specially the district center, feels like there is a ton of stuff that can be done prior to it to set up the colony

[faint stirrup]

Agreed, it will make a new start difficult

[radiant heart]

i don't mind difficult, but beeing forced into rushing something is another topic

[faint stirrup]

Yeh

[radiant heart]

i still enjoy a hard mode run with the WB, it's a total mess, it's hard for sure but i don't HAVE TO do X or Y because no way to survive without it

(welll water pumps and farms obviously have to but you get my point I guess)

[faint stirrup]

I couldn't imagine hard mode on WB right now

[radiant heart]

i try and not happenning for now, or not at least before i find a way to keep some green space early game

[faint stirrup]

Yeh

[radiant heart]

on the bright side, 420 planks to go to get my drink station up !

[faint stirrup]

Nice! i'm expacding spadderdock and berry production before i start looking for balloon space

[radiant heart]

space... 🤔

[faint stirrup]

Not there yet, got space on the left to work with

[radiant heart]

still got almost 2/3rd of the map available there ! you're still good to go for a little while

[radiant heart]

if water canon had a crappy edition that doesn't require fastener maybe 🤔

even if lido would be science free, still need the hole to drop it in and having a natural spot for that is far from a given on any map

[faint stirrup]

I do indeed, although I'm mostly at the end of what i want to do, it all takes a lot of teraforming now

[radiant heart]

as long as it's exploding it's not that bad, but making up terrain blocks is sooo dam long

[faint stirrup]

That i learnt, i still have a load trying to be build from over 100 cycles ago

[radiant heart]

same

my "dirt dump"

[faint stirrup]

haha i saw that in an earlier image and did wonder how it was going

[radiant heart]

it's going, slow and steady

[faint stirrup]

You wont ever win that race

[radiant heart]

got it set to 1 priority so as soon as there is dirt available they move it there, if i have something i want built right now just set it to priority2

downsized the project already, at first it was the whole side of the map 😆

[faint stirrup]

haha, that was never happening

[radiant heart]

even there, will be surprised if I reach half of it

probably gonna ditch the temples
1-need ground space
2-them eating brain salt sucks

don't think i'll ever produce enough salt to feed enough temples for all my beavers so might as well ditch it

[faint stirrup]

I have about 4 and thats it, beavers are sitting at 53 wellbeing

[radiant heart]

average i'm at 70

wonder what big chunks you are missing to be only in the 50s

🤔

[faint stirrup]

Those i think

[radiant heart]

Ho wow, that sure doesn't help

[faint stirrup]

Nope, can't get enough brambles or berries

[radiant heart]

wine is the big one at +5

[faint stirrup]

Hard to do at 1.6k beavers sadly

[radiant heart]

yeah, my Booze center is alreaady quite big for only 800~ish will have to boost it, getting to the limit

[faint stirrup]

Yep

[radiant heart]

(15wine cellars ATM)

[faint stirrup]

I have 7 CW spaddocks being built right now so their draining my builders

I think i have 2 haha

[radiant heart]

3 on kimchy and others beer/wine 50/50

3 on sake too

[faint stirrup]

Ok, more than 2. 3 beer, 1 kimchi, 1 sake, 1 kimchi

Drinks are my next expansion once i have spaddocks sorted and pizza is stable, vegetable stew is my restriction now

[radiant heart]

don't even have 1 meca food build so.. that's a long way ahead, gonna sort out the drinks first

[faint stirrup]

I did mine backwards, i struggled through and now their getting treated well

[radiant heart]

Holy shit, 1k storage for all items in the fruit bar, that's gonna make a dent while they fill that up the first time

[faint stirrup]

Yep, thats what i was saying the lapan earlier, you could end up with all your drinks stuck in there if your not careful

[radiant heart]

i hope water is the last one, like that at least at 80% i can scroll down to see them all

should be if they are in the same order as the receipe

[faint stirrup]

Yeh

[radiant heart]

other problem gonna be ice blocks, don't think i have enough bamboo to keep up the production... guess it's more spaderdock CW time and replace the natural ones by bamboo

[faint stirrup]

Ice blocks are really really slow to make

[radiant heart]

the block itself is not that bad, it's the distillery prior to it, need 5 distillery for one block maker ...

[faint stirrup]

Ouch, i just built one of each

[radiant heart]

and the amount of bamboo.... holy shit, didn't make the maths but it's gonna be bonkers

[faint stirrup]

Yeh, i built some and gave up

[radiant heart]

rough estimate is 50 bamboo plants ( they need a 2x2) so 200 squares of ground space ( and that doesn't take into account some gets eaten for frost balm)

How the F am I gonna find the planting space for that ? 🤣

[faint stirrup]

You dont haha

[radiant heart]

looks like all rice and spadderdock gonna have to be CW made

[faint stirrup]

Thats the route i'm going, spaddocks need a lot more than rice it seems

I'm up to 21 CW spadderdocks right now

[radiant heart]

at 6 atm but still a lot of natural planting too

[faint stirrup]

I have a bit but at 14 i still didn't make enough

Yep, so expanding to 21 to see if thats enough, then to expand rice some more

[radiant heart]

once spad is done rest should be easier since that one is the dumpster fire of the CW

[faint stirrup]

Yeh, their keeping my builders busy will all the water usage

[radiant heart]

i get it that water crops use more water to build but don't get the boost from rice to spad, gonna have to ask lapan about that one

[faint stirrup]

They do seem slower than the rest still

[radiant heart]

welp, this looks weird but Fthat it works

[faint stirrup]

....

[radiant heart]

CW not flipable so if i want door to aling on the opposite side... don't feel like building another colum of ladders

[faint stirrup]

Thats one think i wish i did, build the doors facing instead of opposite, mine back together

Makes them look messy

[radiant heart]

can't find a viewing angle to set the shafting 🤣 gonna find something else

[faint stirrup]

Just hired another 50 builders, hopefully that speeds things up

[radiant heart]

i need to up my giant log game but same issue as anything else, lack of space...

[faint stirrup]

I'm slowly trying to expand across the rest of the map while i wait for drinks to be done

[thorny sapphire]

this seems very possible as the explanation

[faint stirrup]

Coffee corner begins

[thorny sapphire]

this would be the thing in question, I think

I can't find the option

not here, right?

[arctic olive]

In what beta version are you

[thorny sapphire]

I think in the current one, but not 100%

also looked at what I could find in shift alt y

I think the issue was me not understanding the houses properly and how the ways in them function. I still don't, btw xD

[radiant heart]

🤔 the hidden log under it conflicts with the bath i guess?

i guessed wrong, even if i delete the bath it doesn't fit

[radiant heart]

all of those achi coffe only? dang, hope you make enough with that!

[radiant heart]

is it ground only and it's not showing in the description? 🤔

[radiant heart]

-adjust the balance of the ice block making process (close to the level of insanity spadderdock was for methane prior to the adjustments) i guess just bamboo giving more minty thing can do the trick. Amount of distillery/alchi needed is not that bad it's really about the footprint for growing the bamboo that is ridiculous

[shell fiber]

I didn't ruin the math either 🤐

[shell fiber]

You can nudge that greenhouse aside a little bit

[shell fiber]

Oh I see, this would really benefit from being flippable. And while I'm at it I'll try to move the door next to the power shaft column, I got I idea to do it without breaking everyone's stuff.

I should finish work early today so I'll try that. Also the hauler center

[shell fiber]

How ?

[shell fiber]

It's on the right side of the screen

[shell fiber]

The log displaying thing is different from the storage variant so I made this one require watertight support to hide it

Might not have been the brightest of ideas

[radiant heart]

at least it explains why it's not working, can stop bashing my head around with it

[shell fiber]

If you have time to kill and feel like running the math I'm not stopping you 😇

[radiant heart]

did a little but not in depth, 1 alchi needs 10 distileries to keep it running, and amount of bamboo... well it's like 400 ground spaces of growing bamboo roughly

[shell fiber]

But what do we need ice for already ? Drink bar, underground storage ?

[radiant heart]

frost balm

[shell fiber]

There should be one more

I think I changed this no ?

[radiant heart]

nope

[shell fiber]

Oh

[radiant heart]

at least not in 3.1

[shell fiber]

But that means we don't really need the alchemist to ruin 24/7

What do we need for the ft trade ? Deluxe stew ?

[radiant heart]

yeah, that's a rough one too, glad i piled up seeds before the swap

[radiant heart]

fruit+balm i think it's fair to assume you'll end up with one alchi full time on that

[shell fiber]

Anyway, I can easily up the bamboo shoots production as well as distillery

[radiant heart]

biggest bottleneck atm is the bamboo output, but sure 10 distilleries is a lot just for that purpose

bamboo IMO should produce close to 3X what it actually gives out (either bigger output or faster production, maybe a combination of both ) ;

distillery maybe just have it produce 2 instead of one for same receipe 🤔

[shell fiber]

Yeah I'll do a combination of those

[shell fiber]

Okay I found the French translation file I was working on

But I need to rework some stuff in order to make it easier to manage, done I keep changing stuff

[radiant heart]

Hey lapan, while you're around, quick question from the back, why are rice and spadderdock clockwork not the same water price ?

I mean it makes sence for water crops to be more pricy but why the spadder even pricier?

just curious if it's a woopsie or there is some logic behind that

[radiant heart]

Ended up deleting the exercise ground and drop another greenhouse right by the other towers, it's much cleaner like that

and bananas were getting tight a bit win/win !

[radiant heart]

ok, i'm confused, why is this guy transporting water all across the map to those tanks instead of making the spicy soda he should be in his workplace?

that the thing discussed earlier about the ice melthing thing messing up stuff?

someone forgot if input==output in same building = problems? 🤔

that would explain why I have that big of a problem with the spicy sode tho, never was a problem untill recently, probably when changed version

[shell fiber]

I though that rice was only semi aquatic while spadderdock is fully aquatic 🤔
But maybe 5000 water is a bit much

[shell fiber]

Aaaah, yes the entrance is placed on the same column than the power shafts...

Which means the exercise plaza wants to be placed either on the floor or on top

[shell fiber]

Probably

[faint stirrup]

25 new builders lodges xD

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aExKksQ6V00 Will be ... interesting ? 🤫

[shell fiber]

oh, nice ! i hope he chose a better map this time 😅

[heavy lodge]

Only HelixMountains to avoid 😮

[shell fiber]

in the meantime :

made the CW farms flippable, moved the entrance one block to the right. (old one still should work)
Added everblossom CW farm
modified the exercise plaza to have different entrances (old one still should work)
coffee reciepe from beans is 3x faster
bamboo shoot harvesting time decreased, production rate increased (same yield)

mint essence is faster (4h instead of 10h), requires double in gredients and makes 3x more

[radiant heart]

wait, i could have dropped a megaplatform over the exercise plaza?

[radiant heart]

sounds good, hope with that ice blocks get in at a descent rate

[shell fiber]

yep

[radiant heart]

o well, needed the bananas anyway but good to know for next time

added ananas juice storage?

[shell fiber]

oh, i noticed that the dam drains were both pointing outward, which is not good.
but since they can be mirrored now i made one variant pushing water out (the door side being "inside")

[shell fiber]

oh right

[radiant heart]

to make it simple can't it have door on both side? kinda like the "bridge house"? cauz when draining badwater you don't want the entrance to be in the toxic goo

[faint stirrup]

Entrances on either side is bad. If your pushing out bad water then it ends up on both sides and they get contaminated regardless

[radiant heart]

didn't think about that one 😅

guess there is some ways to avoid it with the terrain under the output beeing lower a bit

[faint stirrup]

Its been an issue for me since they were added but the only fix is to remove it from having works and residents since it works without them anyway

[faint stirrup]

That might work actually but i'm not sure

[faint stirrup]

You've been busy, looking forward to these

[radiant heart]

Fun fact, when you don't have a press pressing coconuts, you can't have cocomilk.
Guess i forgot i swapped it at some point 🤣

[faint stirrup]

I built 5 presses for cocomilk and 5 for berry juice yesterday, not finished my baloons yet but i'm hoping to get omni drinks mostly done today

I'm at the point of just stack them and build more instead of swapping them

[shell fiber]

damn, this "just build more" logic is getting out of hand 😅

[faint stirrup]

And that's why i'm almost at 1.8k beavers 😂

[radiant heart]

maybe need an advanced variant kinda like the samill, that would use a GIGA axel made out of giant logs

geez i left y brain in the bed this morning, was looking all over the place for the coton candy trees CW 😆

[radiant heart]

5 for coco is overdoing it a bit, I still run on one and it's fine so you need 2 maybe 3 ( kind same for berrie juice, got only 2)

the big ones i'd use the advanced press are oil and grape juice

[faint stirrup]

I haven't made them yet so it's just build more than I need and hope now. Drinks the only thing I'm under on. I need to expand grapes still as I'm still nowhere near on wine

[radiant heart]

wine is the hardest drink to make enough, it's just on the line of not beeing on my complain list 😝

[faint stirrup]

Now I have food sorted I'm swapping most of my farms for berries, grapes etc. So I'm hoping to get enough this week

[radiant heart]

i guess anything that is CW doable is not beeing planted anymore?

[faint stirrup]

That's the plan at the moment. I still have rice planted as I seem to have under estimated that but cabbage etc. I have loads of now

[radiant heart]

I'm ok~ish on that for now but didn't start the fried rice yet so i guess i'll have a lack of those quite soon

[faint stirrup]

Yep, they use a lot, and cereal bars etc.

[radiant heart]

i have the bars running, don't understand what my bottleneck is tho, might need another cook house

little issue with the storage segment foundation visual

[faint stirrup]

Did you put in the water fix yesterday?

[radiant heart]

nope

[faint stirrup]

That will likely be your cause

Without it the cook houses for cereal bars etc. Basically do nothing

[radiant heart]

let me scroll back and find it, it's most probably the cause for my spicy soda too

[faint stirrup]

Yeh, without it they pull the water out after putting it in so they just never run

[radiant heart]

i see some beeing produced here and there but something is clearly not right

ok, now melting ice produce logs, should fix it

[faint stirrup]

Yeh. I gained a few fps fixing that yesterday lmao, I had loads of haulers stuck in an endless loop doing it

[shell fiber]

logs ?

logs is probably the one ressource you should not use to replace water, because it is also the fuel in some recipes

[faint stirrup]

I swapped for methane since that's not used in cooking

[shell fiber]

yeah, something completely unrelated is best

[faint stirrup]

Omni foods work great by the way, even at my colony size I only have the odd beaver with hunger

[radiant heart]

just typed in the shortest one i could think about, woopsies

well, here we go for another 10 mins of loading...

[shell fiber]

fixed

[radiant heart]

alright, now making Bones, no way a cookhouse gonna use that, right? 😆

[faint stirrup]

Bone broth incoming lmao

[radiant heart]

that wouldn't suprise me now that you mention it 😂

[shell fiber]

i just made the grape grow in 5 days instead of to help a bit

[radiant heart]

Are CW only beeing empty by haulers or if someone needs X rss they will get it from there?

[shell fiber]

beaver can come get the ressource from them directly

was there anything really important in need of attention ?

that doesn't require an entire production chain being made 😅

[radiant heart]

won't change much i think, thing is the steps of production don't increase the amount like the beer . Grape to juice is 1to1 and then to wine 1 to 1 again

Like :
1 grape = 1 wine
1 chessnuts = 4~5 beers
1 rice = 2 sake

[radiant heart]

the stew icon missing in the meca house ( not important but might as well if it's not long)

[shell fiber]

That's because you add water to the recipe 😉

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah right

[radiant heart]

i know but point is the wine bottleneck is not the amount of grapes but the processing

btw, the new way to plant the crops/trees that need more then a 1x1 is super cool 😄

[shell fiber]

what ?

[shell fiber]

soo... faster recipes ?

[radiant heart]

now they won't let you place them down if there is not enough room for one to grow

you basicaly just need to place the corner, removes the random placement

easier to control where they grow

like here the sequoias, only need one corner to place it

[radiant heart]

that could help for sure

[thorn dune]

it's been like this for all of update5 I thought?

were you on 4 until now?

[radiant heart]

yeah, think it's been like that since U5 started, guess it's game changing it then not some dark magic by lapan 😝

[shell fiber]

oh i see

not really intentionnal though

but i think it's not me indeed

now that you say it i think you could place pumpkin fields anywhere before

[radiant heart]

yeah, just hold and drag and placement was random

[thorn dune]

yeah it's a good change, much easier to see which corner is the right one

[radiant heart]

Like 9 wine cellars on wine for 800 beavers feels a bit much ( that's half my cellars and others are no where near beeing short)

[shell fiber]

oh, i see

that seems like a reciepe issue

i made turbo reciepes for the beer and sake

but the wine is slower and doesn't have high yield

yep, to keep them in the same ballpark i need to make the reciepe a good 4x faster 🤔

not sure how they will manage to keep the thing supplied but eh

[radiant heart]

3x would be descent, it's ok to be a little slower since it's the higher buff in the group

[shell fiber]

too late 😅

[radiant heart]

alright, gonna change it in my spec file then 🤣...not

gonna cancell the build of my 5 other wine makers then i guess 😅

was trying to "just build more"

[shell fiber]

12h it is now

same duration as the others actually

but half yield

[radiant heart]

so you just made it less efficient?
atm it's 11h for 50

i'm confudsed now, should i have not cancelled the extra ones?

😵‍💫

[shell fiber]

oh that's just counting the workers

the reciepe originally said something like 32h

but there is two worker and the building itself

so effectively 11h

[radiant heart]

*3 workers

so 5,3h to produce

that should do the trick cauz even my grape juice is always maxed out, it's really the juice->wine that stalls the process

[shell fiber]

okay, i made a few icons too and some text entries

should be all good for now

update posted !

[radiant heart]

YaY !

[shell fiber]

wait i just realised something

is there ANY map that doesn't have pine accessible early ? like realistically ?

[radiant heart]

can't tell but sure must be some

[shell fiber]

what is there preventing me from having the most early building cost pineresin ?

[radiant heart]

would need to reduce logs or something to keep building time the same tho, early game is already super shitty with no irrigation options

[shell fiber]

i'll let it go for now 😅

[radiant heart]

as long as forester stays log only to prevent locking progress.
And on a Pineless map it would suck big time, would be stuck in a waiting zone for 22 days ( plus the time to get the forester up and plant the pines)

Well, it messed up the old CW farm

😱

"cheater mode" time i suppose !

No large warm storage yet or i missed it?

[shell fiber]

not yet

[shell fiber]

crap

[radiant heart]

fixed it anyway 😉

[shell fiber]

how ?

[radiant heart]

cheater mode

moved the ladders

[shell fiber]

and then it connected ?

oooh

[radiant heart]

yes

[shell fiber]

of course

uuh

shit

i see what the problem is, but how do i fix it nicely ?

also probably have a similar issue with the exercise plaza

[radiant heart]

you just don't it's part of the fun of playing experimental 🤣

it's not like it kills the save, just a bump on the road

exercise plaza is ok, still shows the mid entrance too

is omni drink storage 1k? ( can't see it even at min UI size sadly)

[shell fiber]

it holds enough for a thousand cycles yeah

so effectively 24 k ?

[shell fiber]

that's deliverate, a building cannot have multiple entrances

or what i could do...

okay, i got the CW farms to connect even with the old ladder layout

uploading a new version

also, updated logstairs and storage 1x1x2

[radiant heart]

only thing is the CW or changed other stuff worth the loading?

[shell fiber]

i had forgot to load up the wood CW farm

[radiant heart]

ha dam... here we go ! 😅

[shell fiber]

also one of the dam drains was not here ?

sorry 😅

[radiant heart]

nope, both drain are there

[radiant heart]

don't be, it's my fault, told you the CW was messed up 😆

[shell fiber]

yeah but that one was actually important for maybe many people

[radiant heart]

all those that can't access cheater mode sure would have raged

[shell fiber]

yep

[radiant heart]

made those 2 live tho, won't it mess up U4?

[shell fiber]

oh, crap thanks

[radiant heart]

btw logstairs giving me the same thing as the WB when trying to "update" from mod manager, it won't and tells me access is denied in the console

[shell fiber]

oh, right, knatte said that it can be related to something being opened in windows maybe 🤔

[radiant heart]

1x1x2 worked tho

just a tought, why ain't the light version of the logstairs and the crapp platform the left one, feels more natural for it to be the first with the palette of the faction ( and i hate ppl always using the brown ones)

[shell fiber]

i don't really think the order matters

maybe people like the brown ones better ?

i tend to prefer the birch ones

[thorn dune]

I like the brown ones. if everything is white I can't see what'sgoing on

[radiant heart]

i prefer the scramble one, feels more natural

icons of the omni food/drink places a really cool 😍

Now that CW makes blossom feels a bit wrong in the food tab tho 🤔

[shell fiber]

yeah i'm thinking about making an "advanced industry" tab

[radiant heart]

and just curious, is it planned that all buildngs that require giant logs or sliced ones be considered megastructures? ( like the advanced mill, omni places...)

[shell fiber]

i guess

uh, not necessarily

not the sawmill

tbh i'm not entirely sure about this megastructure thing

[radiant heart]

i like how it splits the building process, had regular builders managing the dirt while the engs are on other more important stuff ( CW platforms)

[shell fiber]

yeah that's part of the point, also make a visible progression step, but i'll need to come up with more megastructures things for it to be worth it

i'll see where it goes

anyway, GN !

[radiant heart]

GN

[faint stirrup]

Lapan didn't mention buffing the dam drain did he? They seem to be pushing more water

[faint stirrup]

Ok, something has changed, i've gone from averaging maybe 2 contaminated beavers to 150?

160...

170...

I have no clue whats going on bit i'm officially unable to play

[slate cedar]

How does the rudimentary sawmill connect to power?

[faint stirrup]

This connector on the back

[slate cedar]

Oh! Well that's unfortunate for me. lol

[faint stirrup]

The power connections are a learning curve of their own in this mod

[slate cedar]

Let's be honest here, everything in this mod is a learning curve

[faint stirrup]

Thats for sure

Ok i found whats causing my contamination... theres no way the latest version has altered water output some how is there?

[radiant heart]

strange, you manking antidote? your washing machine is powered ?

[faint stirrup]

Looks like something has changed with the dam drains, their pushing a lot more water than normal, caused my bad tide to rise over the platforms and make 400 of them ill

I've altered the dam triggers and its sorted now its filling much less

[radiant heart]

kk cauz i didn't have any issues regarding contamination after the update

[faint stirrup]

Yeh, it took a while to spot, i was checking my entire water way to make sure i didn't screw up a path somewhere

[tawdry bronze]

@shell fiber Metal fasteners is this the ID?
"Id": "Metalfixation"

[radiant heart]

I'd guess yes because nothing else would make sense with that name

[faint stirrup]

Coffee is rolling in, just waiting on coconuts and wine now

[radiant heart]

wine should be good fast with latests adjustments

[faint stirrup]

Grapes is my slow down currently

[radiant heart]

might be able to destroy a few cellars actually

plant more ! 😝

[faint stirrup]

Thats the plan, i managed to run out of drill bits and tank my fastener supply so i've been slowly getting out of a hole, lots of primiteive mines being built

Got my 400 contaminated beavers sorted as well, its getting there

[radiant heart]

lol, 400, yikes, that must have been quite a line up for the washing machine

[faint stirrup]

I hadn't bothered to build one as i was so careful keeping them clean, it took a long time to get out of that with building it and being under my worker need

[radiant heart]

once you have the washing machine and antidote they can swim in badwater all they want

[faint stirrup]

Washing machine is done, not done antidote yet

[radiant heart]

still struggling a bit on ice here, need more bamboo, slowly reclaiming the old spadderdock field

[faint stirrup]

Once i sort out wood from the CW i plan to scrap my sequoia trees and use that for grapes

Or at least make less

[radiant heart]

still keep 1-2 sequoias maybe if you end up needing giantlogs

i completely removed the sawmil atm and only run on 2 advanced ones

[faint stirrup]

I have about 50 sequoia's planted right now, its a lot of lost land

[radiant heart]

if you don'T use those for logs or planks you'll have enough giant logs for a little while

sure can remove a few

[faint stirrup]

I've been using them for logs to get me out of trouble but the CW's should fix that need for me and i can keep 30 or so in storage

[radiant heart]

got a bit over what i need for grapes ( could give you a rough idea what kind of field you need) 2 plantations, top and bottom left

[faint stirrup]

I just have this atm

Planning to flatten this and use it for grapes

[radiant heart]

i'd say half maybe 2/3rd of what you'll need

[faint stirrup]

Yep, it'll get there. Wine and coconuts are all i'm missing now for the omni drink

[radiant heart]

still a long way to go for omni food, focused on other things

[radiant heart]

might be tight on bananas for omni drink

[faint stirrup]

Agreed, i have 7 green houses, wish they could be stacked

Are the wood CW's working for you?

I think its a tomorrow issue now as i need to go to bed but yeh, wood CW's on my save are currently not being provided with blades.
I have 60 blades in storage, spare haulers, CW's are set as high priority and have a 1.5 hauling score but are being provided with nothing
It may be a fluke and just a me thing but its worth mentioning just in case

[radiant heart]

my first should be done soon~ish, will let you know if I have the issue too

GN

[faint stirrup]

GN

[shell fiber]

Ah yes, forgot to say. I made it so they can push out water even if the other side is already filled

[faint stirrup]

I assumed they already did that, maybe the difference is just me running 8 now instead of 4 as before the bottom ones must have shut off

They were pushing so much it caused my water level logic to fail and flood. Its fine now with adjusted values so all good

[radiant heart]

mine got suplied, you have the right blades? it's the bsic ones ( for regular mill) not the fancy ones

One up and running !

Not sure why but i find this little set up quite satisfying !

Just a tought, with the new water sucking mecanic from the soil too, how about having levees in a larger range of height? maybe up to 6-7 ? with, idk, over 4-5 needing a BP or whatever to make it not too convinient ( not talking about changing the got to be beside ground part, this stays 100% i know 😉 )

would prevent having to dig those dumb trenches to keep contamination out+ should save water in reservoirs for a longer time if i understood properly the new mechanic

[thorn dune]

I think you've misunderstood the mechanic. it's a change to evaporation rate for water tiles with few water neighbours

[radiant heart]

there is not a thing also about ground sucking in the water?

heard that mentionned in a couple vids, might be a general misunderstanding

[thorn dune]

as I say you've misunderstood, that's just flavour it's not how it works

also I wouldn't rush to reblaance anything based on experimental things liek that. it could change entirely next release, or not

I linked the full description much further up, you might find it with a search on my name. or maybe "neighbour"

got to sleep too late forme but it's there

[radiant heart]

well, forget what i said about water drainage, blocking contmination higher still would be nice tho

[radiant heart]

ok, GN

[shell fiber]

Whoa, nothing broke or exploded while I was asleep ? Nice !

[radiant heart]

Nope, not sure what's up on bigjme side, he said his CW cotton candy not getting blades but mine is fine

[radiant heart]

what's the actual blade consumption of the CW wood farm? trying to figure out how many can be suported by one blade maker only

[radiant heart]

Also, what is the "contact point" to be able to build the mega platforms? the corners? kinda strange i get the "too far" message on that one, got bridges towards it

[shell fiber]

One blade per hundred logs

Maybe could be 1/50

[radiant heart]

kk so a blade last a couple days

[shell fiber]

Oh uuh, that's complicated. Probably corners yeah

[radiant heart]

cool so one ironwork can feed a couple CW

[radiant heart]

tried some dumb stuff and looks like yes

[shell fiber]

But bridges are also not so good for reaching construction sites in general

[radiant heart]

well as long as it's under it or at the tip it's fine

that worked

[faint stirrup]

I think its likely a fluke, will try again tonight. I have 60 basic blades and 300 ish of the better ones so they have plenty to work with

[thorn dune]

if I place a small plaform, then place a bridge from it, then destroy the unbuilt platform, and place a stair up to the bridge it works
but then when I reload the bridge is deleted.
not sure if this is a vanilla thing or wb specific but if you're missing bridges anywhere that might be why?

[shell fiber]

that's normal, the bridges look for support on position (0,0) but they at the same time occupy no space on that spot, that causes some weird behavior of the type you said

[shell fiber]

seems like a priority issue if you ask me, too many things prioritized can be an issue

[faint stirrup]

I think that's likely the case, their delivering elsewhere but not those, I'm sure it will fix itself

[shell fiber]

i'm making a couple of non-house hauler building

[thorn dune]

finally, full beaver employment. no idle beavers allowed

also no idle beavers boosting the well being score making me think things are better than they are

[shell fiber]

i may or may not have come up with some stupid design 🤐

[faint stirrup]

Stupid designs keep the game interesting!

[faint stirrup]

Still had no luck getting saw blades delivered over the last 2 hours, think i'm cursed

[shell fiber]

can you enter devmode and check what is the priority of the request ? (on the right side of the screen)

[faint stirrup]

Ok i have a weird one i;ve just spotted with the saw blades. I have 5 in a storage, its set to request. The number in the storage is jumping from 5 to 2, then immediately back to 5 for no reason like their taking out and putting in

Saw blades are right there at the bottom

[shell fiber]

yeah that's a pretty high priority

there must be some access shananigans

[faint stirrup]

I just watched a beaver run into the glorious storage, drop the quantity from 5 to 2, then set it back to 5 and leave with nothing....

[shell fiber]

the strange thing is that it works for other people

maybe some weird corner case

[faint stirrup]

Yeh, its really weird

[shell fiber]

i'll adjust a couple of values that might help in the next update

[faint stirrup]

Its hard to show as i can't record it

Its bad but that may show it

[shell fiber]

yeah i see

that's weird

[faint stirrup]

Yep

[shell fiber]

if it was beavers from a factory that would be easy because i know what causes it, but in this case...not so much

best i can tell you right now it to destroy it and rebuild it 😓

unless you already tried

[faint stirrup]

I can build new ones and they behave the same

They transfer to factories fine

sawmills i mean

[shell fiber]

i have an idea to test

use devmod to put a bunch of logs in the inventory of the building

see if they manage to fetch them

it's probably an access point issue in the farm

the weird thing is that somehow it works for other people

[faint stirrup]

50 logs in, nothing collected yet

Looks like it must be access, their not collecting either

[shell fiber]

okay, that's easy to fix

i had a value that was kind of shaky

[faint stirrup]

I've just deleted the ladders and rebuilt them to see if that helps at all

New ladders did not help

[shell fiber]

no worries, update incomming

[faint stirrup]

🥹

[shell fiber]

the forester/tapper upgrade houses one family and hires 10 haulers, and the large tower just employs 48 haulers 🙂

except the entrance is on the 8th floor

😅

i'll work on making beavers idle in the building appear on the ledges later

that or visitor spots

oh, now that i think about it, since the entrance is high up, it does'nt care being half in water 🤔

[faint stirrup]

48? Building that the second my game loads!

[thorn dune]

I didn't even see that giant a-frame in the background 😄

I thought it was a base + tower extension like the pit +_ ladder ones

[shell fiber]

actually i had the forestry upgrade model ready for months, but i had nothing really interesting to do with it, so just slap one problem on an other and solve both 🙂

for the tower thing i wanted to make some sort of human relic study lab of sort, kind of a litteral version of an ivory tower, but then people wanted more haulers and i felt that design would work well for that too 😊

[faint stirrup]

By people, he means me asking for it constantly 😁 it does look amazing

[shell fiber]

okay, uploading new version now

[faint stirrup]

CW's are fixed, thanks 🙂

[slate cedar]

Alright, I give up, how do I make gears

Ohhh mechanic's lodge

[shell fiber]

my next objective

after i solve that starvation issue that is 😬

[thorn dune]

that build would solve the starvation issue if you finished it 🙂

[shell fiber]

that is the issue 😅

oh wait i can make awful stew

oh, whoah, everyone is fed

that was potent

oh in case no one had noticed

a couple updates ago i changed the awful stew reciepe to not use dandelions anymore

i figured that if you're starving, you probably don't have space to plant dandelions

might be wrong though

[faint stirrup]

I think thats a valid point as dandelions are not an important plant really. I never actually made the stew to be honest

[shell fiber]

oooh, i just realized something

i can make a flamethrower station

[thorn dune]

for... science? 🙂

[shell fiber]

to kill brambles at unmatched speed

[thorn dune]

oh yes brambles. yes very good carry on 🙂

[slate cedar]

THANK YOU

[shell fiber]

ah, wait no

the cutting sucess chance doesn't remove the plant if the beaver fails 😥

my idea was to make a lumberjack of sorts

but that gives its worker -99% harvesting chance, and x50 working speed or whatever

but that won't work i think

sad

or happy brambles i guess

[slate cedar]

Is there a way for a beaver to drop a bit of badwater somehow? They could dump it on the bramble, kill it, then harvest/delete it

[shell fiber]

well i'm not sure why the brambles are crushable in the first place soo that should not really be part of the plan

but dead brambles dont proliferate though

i think it is possible though

to have a water dump that only dumps bad water

note that you can already do exactly that with a water cannon if you really want

[radiant heart]

can do with the dump too, got the option to drop badwater still, just need the lido do be placed first

I did it with the water canon, much easier

[shell fiber]

hmm... yeah but then there is really nothing edible in this reciepe... sawdust, brambles, pine resin... that just wood wood resin

[radiant heart]

it's "awefull" who said it had to have some sort of food in there?

[shell fiber]

well you can't boil sand and rocks and somehow make it nutritious 😅

[radiant heart]

it's a placebo for the stomac 😆

[shell fiber]

with dandelion, bramble flower, and pine resin you have a "technically edible" base

[radiant heart]

you'll gt some minerals i guess 🤔

[shell fiber]

sawdust is just filler

i'm getting really sleepy

a bit early for that though

but let's get to sleep anyway

[radiant heart]

it doesn't hurt to do it sooner sometimes you know 😉

GN

[shell fiber]

have fun with the huge hauling towers 🙂

[radiant heart]

probably not today, still trying to figure out my ice blocks production

[faint stirrup]

I have 2 hauling towers being prepared! can't wait. GN

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NCE7tGmMM at 49 minute in the video . LOL 🤣

[radiant heart]

The tapper forester upgrade is cool, my only downside is that i never see a forester by a tapper shack, useally it's a forester to plant the pines, then destroy it and replace by the tapper shack since won't be replanting those pines, just collecting the resin

if a tree knida like the bananas that would be planted by the forester and harvested by the tapper. THAT would be an amazing use of this. otherwise i feel like it will stay on the shelve and collect dust ( or get built in random corners with forest/tapper paused to get more haulers)

[radiant heart]

can't even find a place where the footprint of the tower fits 🤣

well, could dump it on top of the CW towers but that will make reaching the door a nightmare

Hope that works 🤞

[faint stirrup]

I had the same issue but I managed to get in a couple, finally down to No idle beavers!

[radiant heart]

will have to wait for the evening to see, need to get some work done

[faint stirrup]

One by the clockwork tower, one by coffee corner

[radiant heart]

the spiral around is actually paths?

[faint stirrup]

I don't think so

[radiant heart]

tought it was with your bridges towards them

[faint stirrup]

Was just my easy way to build up

[radiant heart]

remove them then you're confusing me 🤣

[faint stirrup]

😂 better?

And so it begins

[radiant heart]

i'm at 300~ish and climbing ice blocks beeing the issue

[faint stirrup]

Ice blocks will watch me at some point but i have 1k ice right now

[radiant heart]

slowly upgrading the production on those, don't wanna overdo it or i'll drain all my stuff in making omni drinks

[faint stirrup]

I'm expanding sun flowers and grapes still

[radiant heart]

expanding sunflower too, need to get those cookhouses runnning on fried rice for omnifood

and not sure why but now i'm running short on chestnuts, need to reclaim farming ground and plant more of those

[faint stirrup]

I seem to always be low on sun flower oil

[radiant heart]

Oil is THE bottleneck for WB

chips eat a crapton, not sure how bad fried rice is compared to them

[faint stirrup]

It seems it, i'm low on chestnuts as well actually, i wonder how long thats been low

[radiant heart]

my chestnuts been low only since 3.1.0, not sure if lapan changed something somewhere 🤔 or did i pass the tipping point on pop size at the same time

[faint stirrup]

My pop has stayed the same and i've gone down a lot but omni food did start so i'm unsure

[radiant heart]

i don't have omni food so it's not that for me

[faint stirrup]

More beer?

[radiant heart]

beer is capped out

[faint stirrup]

What about the amount stored in the omni drinks though? That will take a chunk to fill

[radiant heart]

it's been filled for a while, idk, will just have to figure out a growing ground, probably gonna cut out on the pine field, got quite a load of resin stored up and not using that much at this stage of the game

CW chestnuts probably gonna be a thing someday i suppose, didn't think lapan was gonna drop the trees in there but now that we have the cotton candy CW why not a nuts one

[faint stirrup]

It would be nice

[radiant heart]

just hope it doesn't consume blades since the trees are not getting chopped down technically

[faint stirrup]

Something for vibration i guess

😂

[radiant heart]

plz not press axels, got already 12+ gnawing stations making those and can barely keep up

[faint stirrup]

Springs from the metal forge

[radiant heart]

would need other uses for spring tho, having a new material just for one thing is a bit mheee

[faint stirrup]

They would work in his new hauler bots and cutter i guess

[radiant heart]

i'd say gear would make sence

[faint stirrup]

It would yeh

[radiant heart]

got only 11 meca lodge on gear, think i could use 1-2 more 🤣

[faint stirrup]

I think there is a plan to make them faster with metal

[radiant heart]

i'd prefer the Advanced press first tho, getting close to 20 screwpresses it's a bit of a mess

[faint stirrup]

Agreed

[radiant heart]

metal or giant logs for the advanced screw tho? 🤔

[thorn dune]

I'm struggling getting the log gnawer to gnaw logs for some reason

[faint stirrup]

I think metal

[radiant heart]

dust pilling up?

[thorn dune]

every godam time

[faint stirrup]

I just leave a wood burner on constantly now

[radiant heart]

got a burner or you only get rid of it making shrooms?

[thorn dune]

this is what I get for restarting again and forgetting hte mushroom man 🙂

[radiant heart]

same, once you use paper only for coic books better have a burner always on, specially with the big sawmills, they produce a LOT of dust

[candid basin]

The faction isn't showing up for me. I did put it in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Timberborn\BepInEx\plugins

[radiant heart]

got all the depedencies too?

[candid basin]

Yes

[slate cedar]

Send a screenshot of your plugins folder

[radiant heart]

and what version of the game are you playing on?

[candid basin]

exp. 5

[radiant heart]

mm, with manual download it's a bit hard to know if you got the proper versions for all of that 🤔

[candid basin]

I got everything on the latest version.

[candid basin]

i did that

Just to make sure

[faint stirrup]

The latest selectable version from the list in the mod manager?

[candid basin]

Not through mod manager

I could try

[faint stirrup]

If your fetching them manually, did you click the "View other versions" option on mod.io and fetch the latest on there?

[radiant heart]

if you don't mind, it will be a bit easier to see the versions and try to help you

[candid basin]

I did

[faint stirrup]

What is the launchers showing?

[candid basin]

That's why i'm confused

[radiant heart]

if you wanna double check versions : ( disregard the ones you don't have, i have a few extras in there)

[candid basin]

Imma try downloading them again

[radiant heart]

if you don't mind doing it via mod manager please do, it always helps us help you 😉

[candid basin]

Probably

[radiant heart]

and better delete the previous downloads first, sometimes it can cause issues

[candid basin]

I just found the problem

it's housingOptimize

but i do have it

[radiant heart]

tought you forgot frog statues and made the frog gods angry 🤣

[candid basin]

😂

[slate cedar]

Can someone explain how levees work?

[radiant heart]

they can't stack and have to be beside ground the same height

the arrow on the ground

[slate cedar]

So I can't make a line of them to block water?

[radiant heart]

nope

[faint stirrup]

Nope

[slate cedar]

I can really only bump out ground by 1 block

[radiant heart]

yes, to block more water need to use the watertight buildings

[slate cedar]

Okay

[candid basin]

I fix it

Downloading housingoptimized manually stops the mod from loading

[radiant heart]

gotta be patient when loading WB from mod manager, it's a chunky one, takes a bit of time

[candid basin]

True

[radiant heart]

loading WB from mod manager should automaticallly get you housing optimized tho since it's a depedencie

[candid basin]

Yeah it does, but i wanted to make sure WB got downloaded properly

[slate cedar]

What's the point of the double platform vs the tall platform?

[radiant heart]

can have a path on the first level and shaft on the higer one or whatever your imagination wants to do it with, been added since you can't stack platforms

[boreal oracle]

hey @shell fiber could it be that food that gives hunger and thirst wont be eaten unless the beaver needs both? my people are starving while having 200+ grapes

[shell fiber]

Yep exactly. Can't feed only on grapes 😉
Pretty sure that would give you diarrhea irl too btw 😅

But grapes are really intended for wine more than eating like that

[boreal oracle]

I thought about wine too but didn't see the building for it (just having the food mod, not the actual water beavers mod)

[shell fiber]

Ooh

Good point

[boreal oracle]

my people are dieing 🥲

[shell fiber]

Need more carrots / kohlrabi

[boreal oracle]

I think it's a good idea but a little hint when hovering over the grapes would be cool I think

kohlrabi?

[shell fiber]

These things are generated by the game, there's not much I can do about that 😔

[boreal oracle]

oh ok sadge

[boreal oracle]

would've had more if I knew, but now I know

[shell fiber]

Well if you pause water production a bit maybe they will start eating grapes

[boreal oracle]

btw I noticed the punpkin plant giving 30 pumpkins, is it actually a really op food or do I have to do something with it first?

[shell fiber]

Nah it's just a very good food

But each crop is 2*2

[boreal oracle]

I only noticed when ~30 were dead already, the rest on the brink of death lmao

should have been more cautious but I'm tired already, should really go to sleep haha

[shell fiber]

As long as you have 2 beavers surviving you're fine 😅

GN !

[boreal oracle]

'll probably just cheat some new ones 😉 don't have the patience to wait a month for the population being half decent again 😂

thanks :D

[distant wigeon]

What madness are you up to now?

[radiant heart]

it's a hauler post on stetoids ! quite nice but a bit rough to place when you didn't plan for it

[radiant heart]

Cool it worked !

Solid? tried dropping stuff on top of it and nothing will show in green 🤔

[shell fiber]

The floor that has the doors can have bridges placed in it

[shell fiber]

Like that

[radiant heart]

too bad, that would have looked better

not like i'll need another one soon, did a bunch of mechanics/architects to speed up the built but noww stuff is pilling up so can reduce and that's gonna drop my pop by at least a good 50

[sullen cape]

Those new towers look really cool, it's amazing what you can do, even without access to the game code

[sullen cape]

Ooo new experiemental update

No Irrigation towers though 😢

[shell fiber]

Removed Terraforming Station from the game. It had its purpose when terraforming was exclusive to bots, but in Update 5, this duty is also handled by the regular beavers.

ayyyyee here goes the megastructure engineer lodge...

probably

[sullen cape]

Oh boy

[faint stirrup]

Hopefully they don't break too much this time

[shell fiber]

probably not

i'm already converting the megastructural engineer lodge into a normal builder's lodge

but if it doesn't serve as a pretentious hideout for engineers, the design is less interesting

😅

[faint stirrup]

Honestly having it as the builder version of the new hauler could be cool? Maybe a larger build speed buff on it or something and make megastructures much slower to build?

[sullen cape]

Maybe spoilers, but what did the old Megastructure lodge do?

[faint stirrup]

Built megaplatforms etc.

[sullen cape]

So I guess the old Megastructural engineering lodge used parts of the terraforming station. Wonder if you could import the assets from the old game into the new...

[shell fiber]

yes basically i used the terraforming station systems for that. it is likely possible to add it back, but not within my capabilities. it's okay though, i was considering removing it anyway

for a building that gives a crapton of builder, i was more thinking about a duplicate of the big tower, since the pit & ladder lodges also have a builder variant.
plus i like the idea of having a bunch of those linked by long bridges

but right now i have to figure out what is broken, i'm probably calling an icon or something that no longer exists but not sure which one 🤔

oh no yeah right the temple and shrine were renamed

[faint stirrup]

Crapton of builders works for me! Although i am pretty much at the end of my run now, once i have wine and omni drinks sorted thats it i think

[shell fiber]

okay, mod fixed

uploading soon

was there anything that urgently needed fixing/adding ?

oh, i just noticed i made a terrible mistake in the previous update

i forgot to make the hauling tower use pink wood 😱

[faint stirrup]

???

[shell fiber]

okay, uploading today's fix

[radiant heart]

Noooooooooo

[radiant heart]

Advanced screwpress 😇

[shell fiber]

hmm...what would that do ?

as compared to buidling more presses 😅

[radiant heart]

the build more is getting a bit ridiculous on that, tought since there is an advanced mill/foudry..etc would be nice to have a higer tier of that one too

particulary for oil and grape juice taht require large amounts, maybe don't give it all the receipes so the small ones don't become obselete

could also get a unique receipe later on for whatever madness you come up with 😉

[thorn dune]

you just need more wellbeing so they get a +150% work bonus surely? 🙂

[faint stirrup]

I heard that bigger axels will be needed for that 😂

[radiant heart]

yeah, but a metal one or giant log ones?

[faint stirrup]

@shell fiber

[radiant heart]

wellbeeing is in the high 70 and still

felt a bit wrong but ended up destroying all the pump upgrades, those aquifier are super efficient. Screwpress prodution to support that is of the charts think i'm at 15gnawing stations if not more

[shell fiber]

ah i see, makes sense

[faint stirrup]

They do use an awful lot

[radiant heart]

probably will require some of those metal gears or the wooden one would break too often to run a screw that large

[shell fiber]

you can keep them at low priority, they works as dam elements 🤔

[radiant heart]

not realy the way i placed them, still got the pumps for housing but some also might go, doing a big rearrangment, remove 6 farms already and more cuts comming, need to keep some beds

[shell fiber]

uploading the fix for the sound crash issue

what i could do for an advanced press, is a building that press multiple different fruits at once (and give multiple separate juices)

[radiant heart]

that could help and let me swap some of the small ones to oil. My idea was more towards a super efficient oil maker since it's always the bottleneck

[shell fiber]

hmm... i see

in that case a hot oil press would be a solution

because that allows to exctract more oils from seeds

[radiant heart]

no idea what that is but it sounds cool !

[shell fiber]

well if you buy olive oil, some are advertised as "cold press" right ?

that's because hot pressing is a thing

exctract more oil, but also exctract some less desirable stuff, or so i heard

[radiant heart]

makes sence

or is it just marketting to sell the other one at a higher price ?

[shell fiber]

that's definitely a possibility

[radiant heart]

if it makes more oil per seed I'm clearly down for that

[shell fiber]

actually it's a nice idea because that feeds in what i was getting to for nuclear waste

like for the advanced soup storage, let's just say it will not be consuming wood to keep things warm 😅

so how will the hot press be hot... you can figure 😇

@faint stirrup did the last update fix your issue ?

[faint stirrup]

It did indeed, its booted anyway, not had chance to try anything as its running in the background at work 😀

[radiant heart]

is the eng lodge gonna vanish? that's gonna be an issue for my hauler tower access 😆

[shell fiber]

not immediately, but i'm not sure i'll keep it

[radiant heart]

if it doesnt work anymore guess there is no point in keeping it

[shell fiber]

well it still works as regular builder lodge

[radiant heart]

4 builders for a thing that huge, that's overdoing it 🤣

[faint stirrup]

I suggested making it have 30 builders or something

[shell fiber]

max is 8 i think

[radiant heart]

gonna have a serious lack of pop 😂

[shell fiber]

i was thinking about making a builder variant of the hauler tower, but then that makes all builder houses obsolete 😑

[faint stirrup]

That's for sure, maybe we need a housing complex that does the good view and spacious?

[faint stirrup]

Make it ens? I think at that point the smaller ones have little use anyway

[radiant heart]

with a big one the small ones would sure become useless, ( got like 10 samlls ATM)

GTG, later 👋

[faint stirrup]

👋

[slate cedar]

Do adjacent buildings not share power?

[faint stirrup]

Only if the power points touch

For most, they don't

[slate cedar]

So for buildings with only one power point, that's impossible?

[faint stirrup]

Yep

[livid nimbus]

On the M1 chip. Does not allow you to select the water faction.((

[radiant heart]

there are very few with more then one power plug, think solar power maker and advanced sawmill are the only 2, at least that i can think of right now

[radiant heart]

probably got a wrong version of one of the depedencies or the WB itself

[livid nimbus]

Where can I see which versions of dependencies are needed for it to work correctly?

[radiant heart]

what version of the game are you playing on, U4 or experimental (U5)?

[radiant heart]

if you play on U4, the live versions on the mod manager are the proper ones, if you are on experimental, you have to manually pick the latests versions for the WB and the depedencies

[livid nimbus]

U5

[livid nimbus]

got it

[radiant heart]

well, something is wrong on my side, guess it's one of the other mods that crashes my game tho... let the searching begin

the frogs... sad time had cute little spots for those

😂 "hand of soup" 😂 love it

[radiant heart]

well, found a new one

looks like there is something strange with the storage pit and ladder, double strange is that they got filled up but no one goes in as Dwellers 🤔 had the bottom one built prior to the update and no issue, guess it's the last patch that broke it. Need me to test anything else @shell fiber ?

[shell fiber]

Not sure I understand what is wrong 🤔

If there anyone living in the building on top?

[radiant heart]

yes all 6 spots filled out

[shell fiber]

Oh it says not accessible ?

[radiant heart]

yeah, only the 2 storage ones say "unconnected"

[shell fiber]

And no one lives inside ?

In which case that's just an access point issue

[radiant heart]

no one lives in

at least they make the connection to the top and bottom

[radiant heart]

wtf, now that i have omni food, chaos mode has started 🤣

i guess it's the time they fill up the buffet food went down

[shell fiber]

okay, i found an issue in the building connection point, let's see if that is fixed

[shell fiber]

oh, god that is so much better

i just made the water icon bright blue so that it's easier to find in liquid storage

[sullen cape]

...I've been wondering about the water towers, wonder how hard it would be to mod them back into the game. Probably best to wait for full update 5 though

[shell fiber]

i think they will be back soon so maybe we can just wait a bit. if Update 5 releases without them i think we'll mod them back in

[shell fiber]

just found a bug in the district center, when it is only sitting on top of a pit and ladder lodge (no horzontal connection) the vertical connection was dysfunctionnal and caused builders to glitch. maybe that was the cause of that weird but someone had

[shell fiber]

found an issue when trying to flip the dam drain houses

guess i'll upload what i have now if it's fixed

[radiant heart]

Hey lapan, DSP got a new major patch, will be playing that a bit, let me know if you need anything tested in particular, kinda reached the end of my actual run anyway unless i jusst wanna go dumb pop boosting

[shell fiber]

what's DSP ?

[radiant heart]

Dyson sphere program

[shell fiber]

ooh

seems nice

yeah of course no issue, have fun

[radiant heart]

super nice but been shelved for a while, was waiting on that patch to get back on it

[shell fiber]

i probably won't be modding much until new year to be honest

[radiant heart]

just fixing what exp messes up is enough atm i guess 😆

[shell fiber]

i have a bit more time tomorrow, but after that i'll have my GF home, and i'm flying back to france on the 22nd

i'll be taking the computer with me though, bought an alienware specifically because i want a gaming pc that is "carryable"

wouldn't really call it a "laptop" since it would probably cool my laps

[thorn dune]

have a good christmas
I usually play a game of a civ4 mod over christmas as it's old enough to run on my laptop so I won't be playing too much either

[radiant heart]

Lol, been running on alien for 12-15 years. Almost made the swap to razor last time i changed but the lack of usb was a big issue

[shell fiber]

yeah same, my previous alienware lasted me almost 11 years

and honestly it still did hold its ground except it's toast

[radiant heart]

my previous one lasted me until i dropped a bottle of pepsi in it 😢

[shell fiber]

but i think i'll get it fixed

[shell fiber]

oh, that's sad

[radiant heart]

had it for 12-13 years i think

and yeah it was still holding up nicely, changed last year

[shell fiber]

i used mine for so long that i ran through three chargers, but after the last one started to die (the cable ends up being faulty near the plug to the computer) i figured i would tinker it and solder the power directly on the main board, which is somethign that i had successfully done on a previous computer, but i think i inverted the polarity like a moron and something got toast.

but there is some motherboard fixing service that cost like a 100€

and after so long i'd stilll like to have it functionnal so i'll give it a shot

[radiant heart]

had it fixed, at least it runs but the toutch pad is dead and some key never recoverred, as long as i can plug a keyboard and a mouse in it it does the trick, became a back-up/ CD burning station

getting a CD burner onboard nowadays is kinda impossible, they've all been removed for space purpose

[shell fiber]

yeah i noticed, but i think mine didn't really work anymore, i supposed if i need i'll get a usb disk drive

[radiant heart]

got one somewhere but the thing is i'm out of available USB ports 😆

[shell fiber]

gotta by a dock 😅

oh quick question : would you prefer to have scrapmetal be in the "log" ressource category ? with the pine resin, metal fasteners etc

[radiant heart]

yeah since it's a building material

kinda shitty to find in the leftmost column

[shell fiber]

orignially i thought about it more like a raw ressource that is then transformed, but it is for most purpose a building material

okidoki

that's what i thought

[radiant heart]

tought about it too but always forgot to mention 😂

[boreal oracle]

do the pumpkins always gro in one specific direction from the source? if not how can I influnce the way they grow?

[radiant heart]

they do

talking about small details, moving crude blades from the fancy warehouse since they are consumables?

[thorn dune]

if you try placing a single pumpkin farm tile near an edge you'll see you can't place it on some edge. that tells you it'll grow towards that edge so you can place individual tiles perfectly

[radiant heart]

think there was another one storage thing that would make more sence if moved but don't remember

[shell fiber]

yeah that's on my low priority checklist

but i need to decide how i want it to display

and then make the 3D model

[radiant heart]

the endo essence took me way longer then i'd like to admit to realize it was not a liquid 🤣

[shell fiber]

ahah

[radiant heart]

can't it be to one on the pillows just scaled down a bit?

[shell fiber]

actually i'd like to split the "box" ressources into more types of storages to avoid people being overwhelmed with 70 icons in their face at once

[shell fiber]

it's going to be largely the same yeah

but do i want it to store like the logs ?

[radiant heart]

like splitting food/materials/consumable in diffrent storages?

[shell fiber]

or do i want some sort of dirt-like thing

[shell fiber]

yeah basically

[radiant heart]

that's cool, just less convinient when changing the storages. will get used to it i guess and sure will be easier to find stuff

[shell fiber]

my problem is that there is essentially 3 types of display modes

• the easy one is the dirt type : just a mesh that goes up and down, but ONE mesh.
• the complicated one : log-type, lines up to X items, then the X+1 calls a separate model and start piling up above
• the box one : calls 9 colums of stuff in each occcupied voxel, no idea how it actually works

ideally what i was thinking is some log type where i make X saw blades stored vertically side by side (that's how the displayer works) in racks, then when there is 4 lined up, they shift to flat storage.
except with that mode, next sawblade would make a new rack display on top of the flat sawblades which i'm not super fond of

a solution would be to make the rack visually look nice

an other solution would be a dedicated storahe building which capacity is capped to prevent that

soo... long story short that needs a lot of testing

and willpower

[radiant heart]

why not just store them like the boxes? maybe have some sort of racking around it to fit the cube volume so they are not just floating in the air

[shell fiber]

if i make a simple 1x1xZ storage, i can just make a vertical moving mesh and call it a day

[shell fiber]

i kind of waant to try to poke at this visualization, but it's the one i know hte least about

what would be neat, is to find a way to trick the game into making the box-type storage bigger that normal

i know i can, but having it look nice ? difficult

[radiant heart]

isn't it just a reskining thing? like 90% of the item stored are in boxes

[shell fiber]

ah yeah but i want the sawblades to be visible

i mean, i'm clearly making my life harder than it needs

[radiant heart]

that's what i mean by the blade with a "safety crate" blade wuold be visible

[shell fiber]

aah i see

hmm... texture wise that's complicated

[radiant heart]

😢 tought i was smart for once

[shell fiber]

sorry 😅

but that is actually a pretty good alternative for a log-type storage

have them encased in tiny wood frames

then they can stack relatively fine

right now i'm mostly playtesting though

i'm playtesting now

actually the toxic island map is cool

i had to restart my run though

building the dam increased my population too much, it was a mess

i also try some other map that SEEMED nice at first

[radiant heart]

i know the guy you can blame for that, want to DM him? 😝

[shell fiber]

i tried flooded canyon

wich seems nice, except it is made so that every drought is 4-5 days longer

because your water comes from an overflowing reservoir

but every drought it slowly empties through a small crack

which means that water only comes back in the middle of the wet season

that could be fun with other factions, but since with this one you can't just levee up the crack, you're f**ed.

oh right, there's edl games streaming today

[radiant heart]

yep starting it

lol, yeah, think i can play another game a bit !

[shell fiber]

i have only 1000h

[radiant heart]

if you include the modding time tho...

[shell fiber]

beavers eat raw cabbage before eating braised cabbage ? that's weird

[radiant heart]

don't ask me, i'm all confused with the food thing, chaos mode is back on the menu since i started making the omni food ( and the buffet is right in the middle of everything so walking can't really be the isssue)

[shell fiber]

is it stocked ?

[radiant heart]

all is full bottleneck is the vegie stew

[shell fiber]

hmm

the buffer should litterally be the best food possible

[radiant heart]

maybe once i improve that it will fix it but other foods are there so i don't really get what is happening

[shell fiber]

but you're not actually making enough veggie stew then ?

probably that's the issue

maybe you can pause the building so that beavers can eat what's insde

yeah but that won't solve anything

[radiant heart]

not enough yeah, that's what i think, but to fix that need so find some planting ground that doesn't exist 😆

i get it that badwater is only for science but i feel the stuff to pump it out should still be in the "water" tab not science

[radiant heart]

is it kinda new that the pump can pump water on same lvl as it's built?

GN

[shell fiber]

it has always been capable of pumping even when the pump mechanism is submerged, but the placement rules allowing to place the pump on flat ground is something i changed quite some time ago

[radiant heart]

ok, cool, always assumed it couldn't and never tried it again, it's neet 👍

for an early game dam it's super cool, one more thing to my hard mode arsenal 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh right, tank showers and medical beds for the to-do list !

[radiant heart]

aern't they done already? last patch broke them again?

[shell fiber]

no but i want them to work as intended, ie consuming the ressource as part of the attraction like the temple

[radiant heart]

so atm the tankshower just bleeds water non-stop if placed?

(same with medbeds and the medecines?)

[radiant heart]

Another tought, how about the decorative fern take 1000 years to build so you don't end up with that "red X" item in the inventory? or i got that only because i opened cheater mode?

[shell fiber]

I'll try a few things, if I understand the sequoia issue correctly custom cutting groups only cause crash when someone tries to go cut it, but if the building doing that cannot be build, that should not happen

[shell fiber]

Not really, the ability to have an attraction consume a resource had been removed entirely, now it's back in a more convenient way.
Before the change, you could still use a med bed even without medicine, but it was slow, now the attraction only works if there is the consuming good. Which is better because otherwise you could just stand in a dry shower and somehow get cleaned ever so slightly