Water Beaver Overhaul

[urban topaz]

hey guys, what version of the mod is workin? I try to fix it for like 1 hour

[radiant heart]

2.2.10 on U4, latest one for U5 ( need to deactivate mods that are not depedencies or it might cause problems)

[urban topaz]

Good thank

[shell fiber]

Can't wait to watch the video ☺️

[radiant heart]

got used to the uncut ones from JC and DisturbedZ feels a bit weird now watching RCE progression feels too fast

Greenhouse now moves the rubble, yay!

[radiant heart]

Those princess beavers spend so much time cleaning theyr fur they barely work or use other well-beeing stuff, think the cleaning nerf was a tad too much 😅

[heavy lodge]

More then 100k views for the RCE video. New faction becomes visible to the world 👏 👍

[polar pebble]

Hello everyone. First time trying out this mod and I fear I have missed something stupidly obvious, but I am unable to store any of the special items from dismantling the starting cart, so I can't build the forge/library/etc. I've seen that there should be options to store them in warehouses but the icons are missing for me? I only have the Overhaul mod and dependencies installed.
Have I missed something I need to do before they are available, or is my game just cursed?

[radiant heart]

glorious storage is what you are looking for

the one from youtube is an older version

[polar pebble]

Aaah I see! Im guessing the playthrough was an older version that didnt have it that yet then. Thank you very much!

[radiant heart]

Yw

[rancid temple]

good morning

[static bobcat]

Hi everyone!
Just a quick question:

where can I find the bramble flowers required to make kimchi? the only resource I can get from the brambles are the plucked brambles. I'm sure its super obvious and I've just missed it, but it's making it impossible to get any science!

[radiant heart]

need to transform it in the handicrafter lodge

[static bobcat]

oh man, it was indeed super obvious. Thanks so much!

[radiant heart]

it's obvious once you know where it is 😉

[radiant heart]

Just a tought, since ladders now use metal, shouldn't they give the metal stairs bonus too?

I really like the esthetics of the new ballon pad but at the same time really miss the other one, was a nice haulling post. Could both coexist or it would cause some issues? with the one with more haulers beeing pricier obviously

[static glacier]

me too, but it is very hard to switch between stuff. I want to make a library-set and had to build a new press because i have trouble locating the other two making sunflower oil and berry juice XD

[radiant heart]

this is your best friend when thing starts to be a clusterfuck 😉

[shell fiber]

Oh actually would not work, the balloons rely on the "bottom matching prefab" script and it doesn't have any room for X "or Y"

Was wondering how people would feel if I added variants of mechanical buildings that don't have plugs and can connect in all directions, except they would cost a lot more science, gears, and possibly some special blueprint-like thing 🤔

I kind of feel sorry for JC because he made an absolute mess of an industrial center 😅

[radiant heart]

it's part of the charm of that mod but for sure would be more convinient later in the game to make a giga dam of buildings

[radiant heart]

aren't both landing pads the same in the background just reskinned and diffrent housing/haulers?

and if you could just unlock the megastructure eng lodge and push out an update would be nice, kinda getting stuck without the megaplatforms and would prefer not to resort to cheater mode 😉

that also brings back the methane production issue that was up in the air prior to the drop of U5

[shell fiber]

I think if you reach the point where you want to make a giga dam out of those, you probably would have no problem running shafts on the back of buildings

To be fair I think a lot of JC's issues come from not having vertical shafts

[radiant heart]

true, just less convinient, the shitty one is really the chimneys of the mecha coocking house, if at least they could connect with each other would be amazing

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah right, I had some ideas regarding that

[radiant heart]

i'm not getting maple pastries just because i can't find a way to stack up 8 in a not too sshitty maner 😅

and coffee... just need another side map making spadderdock for the methane production🤣

[sullen cape]

When I play this mod, I'm doing two "layers" of power shafts like supply rails. Then I can have all the main industrial buildings in a row I hope!

[radiant heart]

i usually drop stuff all over the place and at some point try and connect all my power suply together, almost done, just need a few more gears, forgot to unpause my meca lodge at some point 🤦‍♂️

total should run around 19k hp when not in drought

[rancid temple]

are explosives placed by haulers or builders?

[shell fiber]

i think all building related tasks are handled by builders only

but don't forget that some of the late game buildings are megastructures build only by the megastructure engineer lodge

okay, i did a thing that should allow the mechanised kitchen to stack neatly on itself

[shell fiber]

in case people didn't know : you can do that

thing is, that also works when the sequoia is cut 😬

ah unless...

bananas seem to get cut just fine...

[arctic olive]

neet!

[shell fiber]

@karmic lava
sorry for the ping !
i saw your last video (love it ) and since i think you record them quite in advance i want to tell you about a few minor bugs i know of in the version you're using

• The crappy windmill H9 has an error in the volume it occupies, when you rotate it there should be a square highlighted in blue for no good reason that might block you from placing it / other things later
• one of the reciepe of the advanced sawmill (you won't need that before a thousand years) should make ~150 planks and 380 sawdust from a sequoia log, but due to a typo it makes only the sawdust.
• the hobby gardener building doesn't have its bottom requirement set so it can be placed in absurd ways, just make sure to keep the blocky part on top of watertight building and all should be fine.
• some text entries are outdated, specifically the assistant farmer may or may not be the one to plant green peas, just hover on the green peas planting tool and it should tell you what actually plants it (unlike building description this one is UI-generated)
• you probably should install the vertical power shaft mod, i thought i had made it a dependency at this point but i guess not. assembling industrial building in a meaningful dam will be a nightmare without this mod.
• beware of the "we all do" billboard... for uuh... reasons.

[thorn dune]

does this mean sequoia also block water?

[shell fiber]

no, but since there is nothing that can be stacked IN the trunk there's no risk of weird water shenanigans

but now that you say it... wonder if i could make the trunk actually watertight 🤔

ah no the sapling model does not fill the space nicely enough

[shell fiber]

okay, i think i've bashed my head against this greenhouse waaaaay more than i should ever have. It now works as intended for the most part, the last issue being that if you destroy the megaplatform immediately above it, it will crash the game.

thankfully that should not happen a lot.

but i can't do much about it since it is due to the building being crushable, which is necessary to not erase the banana plantation zone each time you load the game.

which would be the other option, but i see that as far more annoying that the very specific crash issue.

oh, i just found the problem !

[shell fiber]

okay, now bananas and the greenhouse are fully fixed

[radiant heart]

As soon as it's back in the game they can build those 😉 ( or i'm just blind ?)

[radiant heart]

did you forget to send the update or still got stuff you wanna do before pushing one out?

[thorn dune]

my lovely beavers are sitting in the shower forever in .14
not sure how it worked with the wagon giving clean fur need but once I destroyed it the two in the shower never leave and no one else can be clean now

[radiant heart]

cleaning never been that painfull, hopes it's unnerfed a bit in .15. at that point it's just way too much

[thorn dune]

it's broken for sure
the wet fur need is wobbling at the very end so it might be the wet fur need rising before it realises it's satisfied fully?

no sleep only clean

[radiant heart]

Lapan nerfed the effect of beeing cleaned by just going into the water but i feel like it nerfed all the cleanings method. the amount of time they spend in showers/baths now is just dumb

[thorn dune]

I mean it's clean, you can see the bars. but they're still in there

they're just not stopping

[radiant heart]

i didn't get that issue tho, at least i think not

[thorn dune]

I don't know whatthe edge case could be. they're pups, and I guess they could've been in it when I built the new district and destroyed the wagon?

[radiant heart]

maybe, there are some strange stuff sometimes can't really do anything about it

Once lapan changed the door side on one building, ended up with an eternal beaver stranded in there that got over 300 Y/O 🤣

[shell fiber]

I'll see what I can do with the showers. Not sure I understand why this happens though

[radiant heart]

my guess is something happenned when you nerfed the water cleaning effect, maybe he had beavers in there and it broke something.

but cleaning overall seems like it needs some help, since the water doesn't clean they can spend a whole day in the shower, and a huge part of it in the baths, or was that intended ?

[shell fiber]

Not to that extend

What I wanted to avoid was just one bath being enough for a thousand beavers because putting a toe in the water was enough to clean 5 hours of sweat

But I have finally solved the banana issue so I can get on to that, then the ENS recipes

[radiant heart]

it jumped from an extreme to the other, but also feels like the beavers prefer showers over baths even if they are lesss efficient to clean

[shell fiber]

Still want to add more stuff

[radiant heart]

my guess is showers end up closer then the bath since they are out of the water they go to those first sadly

[shell fiber]

That's weird

Wonder if there was some changes in the beaver AI

[radiant heart]

those beavers are as dumb as they can be, calling that AI might be an overstatment🤣

[radiant heart]

seriously tho i think it's somewhat like the problem i had with Jail/washing machine, they won't use the most efficient thing to help them but the one that is the closer

[shell fiber]

I had a similar issue with beavers getting stuck when two medication types use the same cool down need, so I think there's something rotten in their behaviour, I need to figure out what

But at the same time I have different foodstuffs that provide the same need and it doesn't cause any issue, so it's weird 😥

[radiant heart]

they eat diffrent food, it's not a location they have to go to i guess 🤔

[shell fiber]

So they ever get stuck in the bath ?

I can likely unstuck them by unticking the "fill to max" box, but I'm pretty sure I have that in the bath too

[radiant heart]

i didn't have the "get stuck" issue but they stay in the shower for a dam long time

[shell fiber]

Grumpf grumpf

[radiant heart]

if it's red when they go shower it's basically one day in there

could it be that cleanning was tied to "wet fur" and by nerfing the cleaning effect of just beeing in the water it nerfed the speed on showers and baths too?

[shell fiber]

No it should be completely separate

[radiant heart]

🤔 cauz the issue was not there prior to the nerf

[shell fiber]

Nerfing the river water cleaning effect should just make Beavers use the bath more frequently

When they are really filthy they pretty much spend a whole day in the bath, but then that takes 10 days to fill up back again

[radiant heart]

15 baths, 10 shower, 500 pop, dirty beavers alert never turns off and barely goes under 10. that's over one cleaning spot per 5 beavers ( considering the 8 places in baths)

[shell fiber]

Yeah that's too much

Aaaaaaaah

Do you have a large farmhouse nearby ?

[radiant heart]

more then one

[shell fiber]

Is the shower within the farm's aura ?

[radiant heart]

I got farm aura over the whole map so Yes

[shell fiber]

Well yes of course the aura is huge

Ahah 😅

That might be an issue

[radiant heart]

think the only aura i don't have all over the map is the high temp foundry but still covers 2/3 of it

[shell fiber]

No apparent issue with food and water ?

[radiant heart]

nothing that isn't my fault 😉

this is a tad annoying tho

also balloon balance seems descent with the last changes, the 100beaver/pad is kinda there, some a liitle more, some a little less 👍

time to hit the bed, later 👋

[radiant heart]

tested annannnas, coconuts, and starting the shellnecklaces

ananas is a bit over, coco under, but i think once i can press enough cocomilk it will be ok

necklaces i see there will not be any issue, since they only need one in a lifetime might be way over

[shell fiber]

okay, i'm back home (at last)

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-go-bananas-gif-11390856

Won't be able to try out coffee tho, ( methane, bla bla bla, we've been over that already)

[rancid temple]

@shell fiber grats on the mod making the steam news post

[shell fiber]

oh is there something new ? i didn't see anything

[rancid temple]

todays post, fan maps and water beaver

*yesterdays

Community Showcase Timberorn Mods #2

[shell fiber]

i must be blind, can't find it 😅

[rancid temple]

"Community Showcase Timberorn Mods #2"

[shell fiber]

anyway, thanks for telling me !

[thorn dune]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1062090/view/3649657711496128094

[radiant heart]

even if mods are not officially supported it's nice to see the dev give em a shout out

[shell fiber]

oh, this one !
yeah i saw, but it's not new is it ? i think it was one or two months ago 🙂

[rancid temple]

It got reposted yesterday in my feed (if an old one)

[radiant heart]

i see August 21 on my thing, maybe they updated it yesterday

[thorn dune]

yeah they've reposted that and the build a map 2 contest ones

it's probably a steam bug 🙂

[rancid temple]

It was new to me anyways, only had timberborn a month or so

[radiant heart]

Fun fact i just found out about, rice fields produce methane, could some sort of greenhouse over the rice crops gather that ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

what the hell ?

i just realized i had somehow tripled the decay rate of clean fur 🤐

that explains a lot

[radiant heart]

well, i was not crazy!

[thorn dune]

I think I'll wait for that fix before trying to get further 😄

[shell fiber]

but how on earth did i do that ?

[radiant heart]

beeing evil without intention, you sleptwalwed that one maybe 😅

[shell fiber]

aaah no i see

i based the aura values on some very old test specifications i had made before introducing filth to the faction

i also reduced the time for ENS diplomas to roughly 1/3 of what it was

cost is the same though

actually no

they now all need brain salts

[radiant heart]

did i complain about the cost? 🤔 running 3 ENS at once think the cost was not the problem 😉

[radiant heart]

fair enough

[shell fiber]

you can get the bachelor in agronomy even without dirt now

in case you hate wine and only want beer / sake

[radiant heart]

Now that JC struggle with it you remove it 🤣

[shell fiber]

or are more interested in the turbo kimchi reciepe

[shell fiber]

well that's also why i look at the playthrough

[radiant heart]

with the cellar the bigger barrel is not that relevant, at that point just need a methane factory

[shell fiber]

yeah

[radiant heart]

but that also makes the small barrels not relevant 🤔 what could they do that keeps them alive late game ?

[thorn dune]

nothing, same as the bad water bucket. let them go

[shell fiber]

eventually i think small fermentation barrels can go obsolete

especially if i add a medium one$

but that mostly because they cause a lot of clutter and late game that kind of stuff can't stay

okay, update incomming soon

hopefully i'll get to make actual new stuff soon

[radiant heart]

small mines and small tents for chips in the end too tho... not advocating to get those removed, just consistency 😉

[thorn dune]

yeah if there was a fermenting barrel that was watertight and you could build on top of it'd be more useful end game

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah but those have their own workers, so they don't cause haulers to run in circle like headless chickens

[radiant heart]

problem is that would essentially be a "vanilla levee"

[shell fiber]

if it's watertight, it has to be a house 😉

[radiant heart]

levees are not houses 😝

[thorn dune]

well exactly, we have the cellar right? 🙂

[shell fiber]

but it doesn't make methane

uploaded !

[thorn dune]

ohhhh, yeah. I agree with whoever asked for that

[radiant heart]

and methane required is insane late game

[shell fiber]

i still don't think the foundry should be expected to be active all the time, but the plan was to find some methane in the deep mine maybe

oh i have an idea

[radiant heart]

if you want to have coffee you need it to run full steam on glass planes

[shell fiber]

oh really ?

hmm

[radiant heart]

glass=coffee, so yeah

[shell fiber]

i see

[radiant heart]

didn't get to try it out or crunch the numbers since anyway methane won't let me test it

[shell fiber]

i can reduce the amount of glass per batch of 50 coffee (10->5)

to be honest i'm not feeling super hot about all those relatively pointless luxuries 🤔
more food is nice i guess, but... meh

[radiant heart]

maybe get rid of coffee and have something like the shells that requires less

[thorn dune]

I think it could stand some slimming down too. or, abstract the luxuries. coffee gives "stimulants" and so does, um, tea?

[shell fiber]

yeah i need to rethink the purpose of that stuff

i know i want to keep the frozen human meat and the ice

i'll remove the cursed scrolls of damnation or whatever it's called

i want to keep the exotic seeds of course

i want seashells for concrete

[radiant heart]

pastries? if coffee is a gonner that one could too

[shell fiber]

yeah most likely

[radiant heart]

wont bother with it then

[shell fiber]

plus it's probably a source of confusion since people may expect being able to make them

[radiant heart]

And before i forget, bananas are stored in the freezer to make banana bread later right? 😅

[shell fiber]

what kind of sicko freezes bananas 😅

[radiant heart]

i was at first, but confusion is part of the game when playing WB

[shell fiber]

i was considering making ice cream and stuff eventually but that's the same as coffee

extra foodstuff for no purpose, we don't need

[radiant heart]

guess it's a cultural thing, here it's normal when they are about to go bad to just dump them in the freezer to make banana bread later but you end up with a shitton since you never make the banana bread

[thorn dune]

oh no I'd just make the banana bread immedialy

why else am I buying bananas..

[radiant heart]

that part could have many wrong awnsers...

[shell fiber]

maybe the solution is to go from two reciepes per balloon to only one 🤔

anyway, time to sleep

have fun with the new update

hopefully everything is back in order

[radiant heart]

i'd say one permanent and on consumable is ok, just need to figure it out

[shell fiber]

without excessive lags and crashes

[radiant heart]

jungle and island are keepers IMO and don't need to change

[radiant heart]

GN, later 👋

[shell fiber]

but coconuts and pineapple are also quite pointless in a way 🤔

gn !

[radiant heart]

at least they are unique, not stuff from the vanillas factions

and i'm doing them so ... yeah, don't ruin my stuff 🤣

[thorn dune]

a single need with multiple ways to fulfill seems best to me. so if it was "exotic fruit" or something and you could trade metals for ananas if you wanted a large metal industry or you could trade... I can't remember what it is but say chestnuts for coconuts if you had lots of free land for farming

[radiant heart]

free land for farming is not really a thing tho. Unless you play the super huge maps

[thorn dune]

and lots of metal isn't if you're on a small one

so it's sort of balanced. if you squint

[radiant heart]

with mega drills you can pump out quite a big amount of metal still 🤔 think it's time to return to diaorama 😂

[thorn dune]

balance of chestnuts -> coconuts vs metal -> ananas could need more metal for the same output if that's the way you think it should work.
I'll let it go I just htink it's nice for the game ot have multiple paths to achieve a single goal rather than having adozen separate goals with a single path each

[radiant heart]

balancewise the idea ( if lapan didn't change is mind) is 1 balloon for 100~ish beavers

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/shu-yamino-shu-yamino-shu-yamino-banana-shu-banana-gif-26242724

[radiant heart]

wow, took me forever to realise there is no terraforming station and it's the mega eng lodge 🤦‍♂️

[radiant heart]

Nice, this sure is some Qol stuff !

and it looks good

[hearty lake]

i'm having some problems installing the mod

can someone help me?

I installed all of the dependencies from mod manager, but when I enter to the part were you can chose the faction, the water one it's not there

[radiant heart]

are you playing on experimental or U4?

[radiant heart]

that plank receipe from the advanced sawmill is sweet, too bad it was hidden for so long 😝

[silver phoenix]

aside of the dependencies, did you also install the main water beaver overhaul mod?

[radiant heart]

Too bad i can't, that would look sweet

[radiant heart]

happy that works but dang it's pricy, would it be possible to have a "pass trough" connector ? 🤔

yes "tunnel" shafts could do it but since they are one directionnal mheee...

[shell fiber]

not quite sure how i could do that 🤔

ah but there's something on my waiting list

half giant log suspended platforms

basically a bridge made of a half giant log, but that can be build on top of

[shell fiber]

FFS

i can't ever delete the slightliest thing in this goddamn unity mess

got rid of an old test mod

i contained the textures of a bunch of plants

guess i'll have to rip a previous version to get them back

[thorn dune]

it doesn't have references to textures??

[shell fiber]

nah it's fixed now

goddamit

the plants are broken 😑

data loss

oh wait no

oh no it is broken

for fucks sake...

there's no telling how many things just got messed up

when i thought i could get back to interesting things...

[radiant heart]

basically it's a universal power shaft that would lose the top and bottom connection and that is 5x5x1

[radiant heart]

kinda like the metal bridges but reskined with giant logs and minus the side part?

[shell fiber]

yeah

except it would need to have support on both sides directly

[radiant heart]

how long ? 3 min i suppose

[shell fiber]

probably 4-5 long or so ?

didn't really give it any work yet

[radiant heart]

maybe couple versions on lenght for variety, windmills fan sure gonna like a 4 one to drop 2 par platform

[radiant heart]

power note, maybe it's just me but i feel like the solar one is a bit underpowered for how late game it is and what is needed to build one

like atm i build one just to remove that "unpowered" build thing

[shell fiber]

hmm...good point

it makes like 200hp ?

[radiant heart]

that would be double the actual output

[shell fiber]

it only makes 100 ?

[radiant heart]

yup

[shell fiber]

oh

well that's a bit low

even though solar power is not that great irl, htat's weak

[radiant heart]

and a connector on both side so you can chain them would be the cherry on top 😉 ( yeah i know you don't like "too convinient" stuff)

[shell fiber]

i'll think about it 😉

in the meantime i think i have fixed the 3 types of medicine

i think i will make the medical degree accessible from the library directly

[radiant heart]

cool, those "severe" are getting annoying not to be able to deal with

[shell fiber]

presumably readint every medical book in there makes a beaver a doctor ? 😅

[radiant heart]

let's say a nurse since it's not the ENS 😉

[shell fiber]

well the paper is called nursing license actually

[radiant heart]

on another note, 20k dirt to go and i'll have my first battery in outter space 🤣

[thorn dune]

how are you making that much without bottlenecking ? 🙂 all I can think of is a load of drills running 100% making iron + coal, turning it into metal and drill bits, then selling the metal for food with a dozen balloons so you can eat it all.

[shell fiber]

okay, i think i fixed my mess

tell me if you see broken textures in the next version

although i should have fix everything

[shell fiber]

i think that's basically what he's doing

[thorn dune]

that's absolutely crazy. have pity and give him a dirt drill lapan

[radiant heart]

can't even store metal blocks atm, building my clockwork farming tower takes a butload of rss

plus the 5 balloons constantly trading for ananas

about to need a 6th, pop slowly creeping up to 600

actually need more builders, drill still jamming on dirt

[shell fiber]

i may or may not have decreased the speed of drills 🤐

[radiant heart]

just gonna build more 😂

[shell fiber]

please do 😄

[radiant heart]

Excess is always the solution with WB 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

the factorio approach

[radiant heart]

actually if i build more gonna be cloging on iron/coal, those 30~ish primitive smelters not gonna be eating the rss fast enough

and my steel blade production soon gonna stop, almost filled up the storage on that one

wasn't there another more efficient place to make scarp metal or it's been changed ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

might make a larger one

doesn't make much sense to still be stuck on a primitive smelter when you can make electronics grade silicon

probably will be a job for the foundry too

that requires removing the scrap metal from the steel sawblade reciepe though

[radiant heart]

not like it's releveant

[shell fiber]

oh yeah you're right im an idiot

i thought it would have scrap as input and output

which causes issues

but scraps would be output in both cases

[radiant heart]

lol

guess it's time to prep another metallrgy degree then 😝

need to clear some ground space tho 🤔 where the F can i removing something 🤦‍♂️

[shell fiber]

  "CyclesCapacity": 4,
  "Ingredients": [
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "Ironore"
      },
      "Amount": 80
    },
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "coal"
      },
      "Amount": 60
    },
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "Methane"
      },
      "Amount": 100
    }
  ],
  "Products": [
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "ScrapMetal"
      },
      "Amount": 70
    }```

hmm

too much methane

50 good enough

i think the big aquifer pump was eating way too many axles right ?

200 ->500 cycles

[radiant heart]

never really tried that one but seen come ppl complain in here about axel usage yes

[radiant heart]

even that is high untill we get the better methane source 😉

duration a bit excessive too, the chunker is not like the smelter, not gonna work if no one is in there

as is the primitive smelter stays a better option, gonna produce 75 with same "working" time and runs 24/7 and not require methane

[radiant heart]

not relly sure how to balance it properly without beeing too OP at the same time but like that it's not appealing at all even prior to doing the maths

( compared let's say to the logs from giant logs, numbers look tempting but when crunching the numbers still better to have a 3x3 patch of everblossom then a sequoia, still gave it a tought tho)

[shell fiber]

there's twenty workers in the foundry, that makes the reciepe be completed in 10 hours

i mean i suppose if you compare with running 20 primitive smelters...

twenty smelters would make ~300 scrapmetal in 24h ish

using 500 iron ore and coal

hmmm

  "CyclesCapacity": 6,
  "Ingredients": [
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "Ironore"
      },
      "Amount": 100
    },
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "coal"
      },
      "Amount": 75
    },
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "Methane"
      },
      "Amount": 40
    }
  ],
  "Products": [
    {
      "Good": {
        "Id": "ScrapMetal"
      },
      "Amount": 100
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with adjustments that should do that

[shell fiber]

that was a lot easier than i though

visuals are not great though

but i seriously need to make a roadmap of what i want to get done next

i think i'm done with most of the U5 fixing

i started working on the nuclear power plant, i know what i want it to do, but not how to reach that point

also want to get the balloons fixed

i was thinking that instead of methane, you could find hydrogen in the ruins, and use that to either make methane (by reacting with CO2) or balloons that have improved carrying capacity

probably will make the previous balloons consume methane too

i just change the recipe for methane from 10 spadderdock to 8 methane to 20 methane

because someone constanstly says he never has enough methane 😅

[hearty lake]

of course

[hearty lake]

im playing on the experimental update 5

and I have the latest versions olf all the mods

[faint stirrup]

yes please! that or a better way to make axles rather than the basic way?

[radiant heart]

looks way better ! ( just eyeballing it not mathing it out)

[radiant heart]

only thing i can see is you might have one that is the latests live not the latest available, like the WB mod if you don't manually select it you will get 2.2.10 that is the latest "Live" version ( so it's for U4) you need a 3.0.X version, curent one is 15

[shell fiber]

Can you copy paste here the contents of the console (the black window with white/yellow/red text)

[radiant heart]

Hey Lapan, tought about the chaosmode/distribution issue. How about a kinda "snackbar" that could store X ( no big quantity) of all foods/drinks. workers could be haulers that are ONLY working to fill up the food court. One could dump a few here and there and have a better distribution of the stuff around the map with one main storage in one zone

doing a food courts like that is a hell of a job with small storages/tanks and can't really garanty a certain amount of haulers that would take care of it. I used to do that but it's so annoying i call it quit normally after doing the mass storage zone only nowadays

[shell fiber]

Hmm... I thought about making a food court of sorts but it's a bit complicated, there is no building that just stores stuff with a worker dedicated to keep it full. In fact the closest from such a thing would simply be a cooking tent that just serves the food it makes.

What I could do is make some sort of cooking place that uses a bit of everything and makes a foodstuff that gives no hunger but fills meant food needs

But the problem with that is that it renders many foodstuffs obsolete, unless they are the ingredients

[radiant heart]

With your modular thing you could have
-the base ( kinda hauling post)
-the modules ( storages prededicated with one for all food/drink)
thing i don't see is how to force the "haulers" only to bring stuff in the food court

[shell fiber]

Yep, the only way to make them dedicated to this building is to make it a kitchen like thing

[radiant heart]

ok, idea of the day V2, ear me out.

so the modules are "kitchen"
-they transform "X" in "X-2" ( since can't produce what they use)
-But "X-2" fills in the same need as "X" (kinda like both grapes fill in "grapes" )
-receipe time 0 ( can the game handle that or it would have to be a tiny thing? )

but that would double both storages up top and be a hot mess of way to big UI🤔 ?

[shell fiber]

I think that would mostly be super confusing

It's probably better to have just one Omni-food

[radiant heart]

unless they could be set to not show in the storage bar

[shell fiber]

But even with that, in the buildings tool that would make a building that takes one resource to make... The same resource. No one would understand why this exist

Plus beavers would not necessarily go to eat the made resource and may prefer the original 🤔

[radiant heart]

it's in the background, the player doesn't see that, to him it's just a dtorage of all types of food

[radiant heart]

do they prefer one grape over the other?

[shell fiber]

Nah the UI generated that on its own

[shell fiber]

Don't think so

[radiant heart]

the "kitchen modules" would be idden in the building, players can't see that part (unless some serious camera ramming is happening)

anyway, was also curious if it's do able even if it's not happening 😉

[shell fiber]

I'll taking about the bottom bar

[shell fiber]

Well it is doable but I'm not sure it's a good solution 😅

Maybe I should just allow beavers to overeat deluxe stew 🤔

[radiant heart]

if they can overeat anything to fill up hunger in priority would they only en up eating the closest thing only?

[shell fiber]

My understanding of their behaviour is limited but I think that is something like if they're not working they try to consume whichever item fills the most points. taking into account how much is already filled, so they won't go for carrots if carrots is 99% full already.

In that process the hunger / thirst need is basically a limiter.

So if I make an Omni food that doesn't fill hunger, they can all eat it until every need is filled even without being hungry, which means that when they will actually be hungry, most food will seem equivalent to them

Which should reduce food chaos

[radiant heart]

if that's the case those 2 could be aloud to go over maybe. issue i see is what about water and food that only covers hunger, they gonna get stuck to those forever or since there is not anything else filling up they will move on?

[radiant heart]

thay will still eat just a bit if the need is already filled and hunger won't go away

[radiant heart]

actually might be the other way around, let them eat as much of one thing even if it overfills one need but hunger needs to be filled when they eat, not just a nibble to fill up the need and move on to some other food

[shell fiber]

Ah yeah right, I still will need a tiny limiter so they don't go eat a full course of everything because they used up 1% of their food need

[radiant heart]

got a big day, might not have the brain for that ATM 😆

[shell fiber]

Ah I see, like every time they go eat something, they eat it until they're full, and won't go grab something else until the next day or so ?

I think that's not something I can do much with

😅

I don't know exactly how they already behave on that matter, that's the issue

Would need to grab one Beaver and follow it thought multiple days si see how it behaves

[radiant heart]

from what i see it looks like they go for other needs before food/thirst, often they take a tiny sip or bite that unger/thirst don't fill up

[shell fiber]

Like they go read a comic book before getting to food?

I don't see that being much of a problem

[radiant heart]

No, but they eat not to fill unger but the "food type" need

like they eat sunflower seeds and if seed need is full they move away as long as the hunger bar is green, not full

so they barely get to work or somewhere before it turns red, they finish one task ( at slower speed because hunger) and move to some other food

makes for verry inneficient days

[radiant heart]

Watching JC i feel like the district crossing needs way more worker otherwise gonna have to drop a couple side by side, i think the previous district distribution was better

[shell fiber]

Yes he definitely needs more than one

[shell fiber]

The previous one was not stackable

[shell fiber]

So a solution could be to have very long and narrow warehouses so you could store lots of food with all the doors in a small area 🤔?

Like 6x1x1

[knotty hearth]

hey guys!

tryna figure out how to build a large farmhouse

cant figure out where to get the fancy blueprint any pointers?

[shell fiber]

normal blueprints are made in the architect / engineer lodge (science tab), but before using them you need to make it fancy and should duplicate it a few times (artist / copyist lodges, village>village jobs tab)

[knotty hearth]

oh ok awesome!

thanks

youve made such an awesome mod man ive been addicted for like 6 hrs now

last thing how do I get gears?

ah ENS nvm

[shell fiber]

ahah, thanks !

gears should only be made by the mechanic's lodge

there is a wiki if you need :
http://whitepaws.wikidot.com/

[thorn dune]

could it be rebalanced so each unit of food gives a lot of hunger need, so you'll likely be full after eating it, but the specific berry/udon need decays extremely slowly so you only need to eat each type once a week or so?
then you won't chaos around the beavers will jsut eat one thing at a time
might need changes to recipes to generate less output items and that affects storage balancing etc but it may work out?

[shell fiber]

not entirely sure that would be better, i think smaller hunger values are actually better. typically if you triple all foodstuff to make them provide 0.9 hunger and you have a beaver that spent 1.5 hunger, it gets food but can only eat one thing, since a second one would overfill the bar, so it travels across the map to eats up to 0.6, then a few hours later travel back across the map when it reached 0.9 again

wait no, not necessarily

if i'm correct, beavers will drop everything to go eat / drink when their need is in the negative

i don't know

more importantly i need to move forward on the endgame

do you guys generally like the luxury ressources brought by the balloons or it's more "meh" than anything

i have a lot of decisions to take

for example if we keep those luxuries, there is purpose in making the deep mine elevator being able to extract hydrogen

hmm...

the idea of having a phase in which you can drastically increase wellbeing is not half bad

[thorn dune]

I have only built one balloon, and I used it for pineapples, but mostly I like the idea of collecting them all but I'm not sure in a single playthrough I'd ever try and get a stable supply of all of them. stable supply si more important that getting a a lot of them so I plan to focus on one at a time as I build up.
not sure if that helps

[shell fiber]

any input helps 👍

not removing them also saves me some trouble 🤔

okay let's keep them

at least some of them

i think i should go with my hauler bots plan

i'm getting less and less convinced by my concrete idea

i wanted that for the nuclear power plant, but do we really need yet another ressource ?

[thorn dune]

using rock would probably be enough? bit tough using a byproduct of drills perhaps but redneck has proved that can work 😄

[shell fiber]

wait quicklime can be used as flux

for glass and steel making

[barren glade]

First time trying to install this mod and I am having a small issue, is this the channel to ask a question in or is there somewhere else? The error I am seeing is with the EnvironmentVertexColorPrefabOptimizer registry

This is coming up in the command window when I try to load into a map, I guess I am doing something small incorrectly so if there are any pointers, greatly appreciated

[shell fiber]

hello !
yes you're in the right place 🙂
is that the thing where you have hundred of yellow lines saying that there is too many aliases or something ?

[barren glade]

Oh great, ya that is it

[shell fiber]

oh, yes that's normal

it's just the game being very confused at having way more assets loaded than expected

if you can see the white beaver on the new game screen, chances are you're all good

[barren glade]

Thats fair! I thought something was a miss because I am staring at the loading screen, I guess patience!

[shell fiber]

oh, yes, it definitely takes a while to load, not much i can do about that

[barren glade]

I well believe that! Thank you!

[shell fiber]

you're welcome ! have fun !

what more could i make possible to get from the folktails ?🤔

already have pastries

Dark scrolls of forbidden magic™

don't really have anything else that would fit

[thorn dune]

parts for a larger windmill?

[sullen cape]

Knowing this mod, yes 😂 🙃

[shell fiber]

huhuhu 😁

[shell fiber]

honestly that's not the worst idea 🤔

[thorn dune]

I try not to suggest things than need modelling time because that seems like a lot, but the ft large windmill should be around already and useable

[shell fiber]

the ft large windmill was a barely taller version of the small one last time i checked 🤔

if i were to make a large windmill, i would probably upscale it to a 2x2 base

but i just got a better idea

i'll give the exotic seeds to the folktails, that makes a bit more sense for them to be into gardening

and the jungle beavers will give firefly larvaes

i'm just really not fond of wind power

[thorn dune]

I just like trying to find roof space to place them all. it's kind of fun, like on my mass mills for udon.
I guess it might work better with wb if it were a wind mill house but that's modelling

[shell fiber]

windmill house... i kind of like the idea 🤔

but not right now

[shell fiber]

okay, i have reworked the balloons

[shell fiber]

whelp, enough for today, gotta leave early tomorrow

[radiant heart]

the painfull thing is to have to like 14 warehouses, 8 tanks , select the ressource on all of them, set them to require the stuff, would be nice to have a one thing you place and it's all preset

[radiant heart]

it's cool but there is kinda enough IMO, unless there is some sort of tier 2 balloons that can bring back way more stuff, the amount of balloons required at some point becomes a bit too much if more comes in

And it looks really cool having all that fly around

[radiant heart]

not really there is already a ton, ultimatly clay and rocks can do the job without going over the adding of another thing

[radiant heart]

"zeplin" turned into a giant bee? 😆

[radiant heart]

second yellow line, looks like you are missing the "logstair" mod and "staircase" mod or it's not the right version, logstairs I have installed is 2.0.4, from your console looks like you got 2.0.3

and ladders 1.3.0, you have 1.2.7

[graceful ether]

Is there a fix for not being able to build on platforms?

[radiant heart]

you should be able too, just can't stack them

[graceful ether]

Okay, I was trying to use them to create a straight ledge for a line of water pumps and it's not letting me.

[radiant heart]

watertight buildings need to be on topof something watertight

a levee would work but not a platform under the pump

( or a terrain square but that is far down the line)

[graceful ether]

Thank you so much, I'm still trying to figure out the mod

[radiant heart]

np, if anythng else feel free to ask it's the place for

[faint stirrup]

Am i reading the above correctly that there is an issue with beavers and food? Most of my colony of ~800 beavers spend most of there day grabbing 1 item of food, running back to work, then immediately going for food so they get absolutely nothing done

[radiant heart]

it's something that happens when reaching that kind of colony size, unless you dump tiny warehouses with all types of food all over the map they spen more time walking to food then working ( plus the bla bla we are trying to find a way to solve it)

In short, beavers eat and fill a food need first, if hunger is greeen they move on but with the walking distances a bit long the hunger gonna be back in red before they do anything and the cycle starts over

usually starts above 400

might be sooner if you are really spreaded

it happens in the vanilla factions too btw

[faint stirrup]

I thought that was the case, i hit 600 ish and doing naything takes several cycles now its so bad, but their so hungry they wont produce enough food so i'm in that cycle again. To eb honest, on vanilla i notice it less as i often bot everything. Fingers crossed i cna produce enough food to lower working hours to prevent it

Good to know as i'd never paid attention long enough before to notice it

[radiant heart]

when going full chaos mode, shut down all food productions except the real basic and slowly get them back when they stop running around with the yellow/brown puck over the head

riceballs/cabages regime for a few days helps reset the chaos

[shell fiber]

I'll make some hydrogen balloons with 4x the carrying capacity or something 👍

[shell fiber]

Grumpf grumpf...

Okay I'll put the food mall higher on my to-do list

All last do we can start testing what works

[shell fiber]

I'm also getting things ready for adding boys e back into this faction. But they will only be hauling

[shell fiber]

After spending so much time bashing my head at the banana issue I might even have the courage to actually make those zeppelins 😅

[radiant heart]

hydrogene making the "self-power" of the base so it flys?

[shell fiber]

Nah it's for floatability basically in the construction cost.

I might make it require a diploma or something too

[radiant heart]

Just trying to keep a purpose to the ruin running constantly other then the visits

[shell fiber]

You will be able to use hydrogen to make methane though

[radiant heart]

Yay!

that sure will be warmly welcomed

[hearty lake]

It looks strange to me becouse i installed the latest versión but i will try again

[shell fiber]

did you get it to work ?

[radiant heart]

are you doing it from mod manager or mod.io?

mod manager can be a bit tricky to pisk the right version, sometimes they are not in the actual release order

[shell fiber]

Before i sink 10+ hours into making a food mall (fills all hunger linked needs) and a fruit bar (fills all frinks and fruit related needs) i made the actual consumable items for testing.

they are normally not storable, and there's no reciepe yet but you can go in cheat mode to find the [unstorable] storage building and give yourself thousands of each to see if it is effective at stopping the food chaos 👍

and on that note : update incomming 🙂

[radiant heart]

ok, will try that this evening, actually didn't hit chaos mode yet, just verry low efficiency

[shell fiber]

i don't know how much modding i'll be able to do tomorrow

probably a little in the morning, i'm waiting a sofa delivery

then the GF arrives around noon

but i think you will like the extra platfrom i made 🙂

it doesn't need any support under it, but needs support on both sides

so that should allow to pile up as much storage as people want

that replaces quite well the vanilla platforms in terms of stackability, but without being as limitless

3.0.16 send

[radiant heart]

hope you got a good movie to test out the sofa!

[shell fiber]

we still have a bunch of anime to catch up to 😉
right now we're watching Helck and Sousou no Frieren (i recommend frieren) 👍

[radiant heart]

still in the process of watching all DB, DBZ and DBsuper, got all the DVDs last year, about halfway into DB atm

[shell fiber]

oh right, dragon ball arrived in the us quite late i heard

like a few years ago ?

[radiant heart]

heck no, was watching that as a kid but was 1 episode per week, never really got to see the whole thing ( had all the books tho)

like 30 years ago we had it

[shell fiber]

oh, good

[radiant heart]

think we were getting a book per month or something like that with translation time and all

[shell fiber]

yeah for me it's more by older brother's thing

i remember my mom found it too violent for me

[radiant heart]

lol, my GF isn't a fan of the kids watching it but DB got way less fighting then DBZ so for now it's ok

[shell fiber]

i think it aired quite extensively at some point in france on some cable channels, i watch maybe most of it, but possibly not the most unpopulat parts like when goku is being made a kid again and goes on space adventures with his granddaughter i think ?

[radiant heart]

and helps them learn english so... i won my point

[shell fiber]

but tbh i don't think DBZ really aged that well

the fights are kind of cheezy, or maybe i don't remember well

[radiant heart]

that one is GT, lots of ppl hate it, got the DVDs too, back when i was a kid think i got to see like 2 or 3 episodes of those

[shell fiber]

maybe one day i'll rewatch them, the part i quite liked was the cell saga, and also when gohan played the super hero, but maybe that's because i found bidel cute 🤣

[radiant heart]

i like the whole sayan saga at the start of Z too, basically the one i'm less a fan of is the freeza one, not sure exactly but it's like 6 episodes for the "planet will blow up in 5 minutes" thing

the other part on namek is ok

[shell fiber]

ahaha yeah that's exactly what comes to my mind when i think "DBZ fights"

honestly one of the main reason why i think that whole series is sometimes a bit overrated

it was pretty good for the times, but nowadays... meh, average maybe ?

it's like watching the gundam series

it's nice but in a way... dear god

the old ones i mean

[radiant heart]

it's about the only TV time i do and not much a week so my opinion might be a bit biased 😉

apparently super is on another level but it's not as old too

[shell fiber]

the new series that were made a few years ago ? with the blue hairs, the purple cat etc ?

[radiant heart]

yup

and golden freeza that comes back from ? ( got no Fing clue, need to watch it)

[shell fiber]

yeah me neither

i guess if i ever have too much time on my hand i'll probably try to catch up with one piece eventually

that or one of the truckload of animes that i left half-finished

oh just remembered about the latest update : i also made it so that beaver can eat as much deluxe stew as they want, hopefully that reduces chaos a bit by itself

[radiant heart]

just need get my clockwork tower bigger before i an make enough, don't really have much ground space left

target is to stop using farms for anything that can be done in the clockwork farms

[shell fiber]

check out the small bridge platform 🙂

oh but the megaplatforms will require glowfluid now 😉

that light ain't magic

[radiant heart]

so beavers are gonna jerk off the giant "luciole" to get that juice?

😆

[shell fiber]

i'm pretty sure that's not that type of fluid 😅

[hearty lake]

Im rryong arround 6:15

[hearty lake]

Mod manager, It looks easier to me

[radiant heart]

it is, just the order the version are placed is messed up some times

[hearty lake]

so what should i do?

install everyithing from mod.io?

[radiant heart]

don't need to, i did everything from mod manager and it worked, maybe wanna remove everything and download it all back

[hearty lake]

im checking and everithing looks up to date

[radiant heart]

( WB doesn't like beeing updated since it's too big gotta remove from pluggin and redownload when a new one pops up)

[hearty lake]

so i uninstall everything and reinstallit?

[radiant heart]

it's my best guess

[hearty lake]

ok i'll try

[radiant heart]

that's what i mean about mod manager, top one ( red) not the latest one ( green)

[hearty lake]

yeah i know

IT WORKED

YEAHHHHH

[radiant heart]

here is my pluggin folder if it can help, stroke out the ones i disabled, and path extension/pipette tool and smart power are not required

[hearty lake]

thanks for your help

[radiant heart]

YW

[radiant heart]

Now all I can say is Good Luck ( and have fun! )

[faint stirrup]

So, 830 beavers, i cheated in 10k of the food with the pizza icon and put it on the busiest part of my map where everyone can grab it, within 2 full days, they ate 8k of it. I still have probably 100 beavers running around constantly saying their hungry but its a lot less than all of them
For reference, i was not in chaos mode before this, average wellbeing was 17 but they were just so hungry all the time that no work got done. Average food stocks were always over 500 ish at any point

[radiant heart]

that's a bit low on wellbeeing IMO, 17 for a pop that big, go 0 decoration/monuments?

walking speed sure not helping

( close to 60 at 600 pop for reference)

[faint stirrup]

Correct, it was so bad from a food perspective that it took 2 cycles to build a single wooden stairs so its been impossible to get anywhere without intentionally killing pop

I genuinely considered turning off farms to cull the pop down to a workable number just to build stuff 😂

[radiant heart]

i'll be cutting out on farms "soon tm" once the clockwork farms are a bit at a higher number

[faint stirrup]

That would be the dream, i haven;t even got an ENS or anything yet and i'm on cycle 80. I played through 20 cycles yesterday paying no attention and getting nowhere with the food. Lesson learnt, more decorations

[radiant heart]

even prior to decorations i was int the mid 30s, i guess you don't have much food diversity? Wine is a good one to get, gives +5

( on cycle 90 something, maybe 92 atm)

[faint stirrup]

Food has always been an issue to be honest. Even in the base game i never bothered with too many foods, looks like it times. I struggled with science and still am so its taking ages to unlock stuff still. My own fault really

[radiant heart]

gonna learn and improve ( or die trying) 😉

[faint stirrup]

Exactly, this is my 3rd play through trying to learn it and i've only just figured out i need to spend way more time on wellbeing. Last play through was water issues. i'm getting there. Atleast now their out of the food issue i can do stuff. That 10k food seems to have completely stopped them getting stuck food food. Its been 5 or 6 days in game since they finished it and so far, no hungry beavers

[radiant heart]

I'm at my 15th run with WB so it's a bit more natural now

[faint stirrup]

Yeh. I can confirm i've gotten more done in the last 20 minutes after giving that one lot of food then i did yesterday in 3 or 4 hours

[radiant heart]

food diversity is a good way to pump well-beeing without having to spend too much science

but if you don't produce enough chaos mode kicks in

[faint stirrup]

Agreed, just being able to remove the -10 buff from food with other things makes a huge difference

[radiant heart]

hunger or thirst give an extra debuff on top of the -10 wellbeeing, one is workspeed and other walking speed but not sure what is what

[thorny sapphire]

Huhu, I am new to this mod, started playing it today and I have 2 questions:

I installed it manually as recommended. First I tried with the newest version and it did not work, then with the version shown as default on mod.io and it worked.
How do I update from here? (It did not show up in modmanager)

How do I make cogs? I did not see any building allowing me to trade for them or produce them.. maybe blind xD

Even still I enjoyed my time so far with it and I am impressed by the sheer scale of the project

[radiant heart]

depends what version of the game you are on, if you play on U4, the 2.2.10 version is the higher you will go, over that it's for U5/Experimental

[radiant heart]

cogs?

[thorny sapphire]

ah, okay

gears

yes, I went back to U4

[radiant heart]

that's the mechanics lodge in the science tab

[thorny sapphire]

hm.. I guess I overlooked that being able to produce them. thank you 🙂

[radiant heart]

maybe ENS still does them too in that version, not sure it's been a while since i've played on U4

[thorny sapphire]

what does ENS stand for?

If there was an update I would update manually, correct?

[radiant heart]

École something something in the science tab

[radiant heart]

there won't be anymore updates on U4 , unless you move to U5/Exp you got the latest and last available

[shell fiber]

Will one thing to consider is that in this mod cooking is not something that just increases wellbeing, cooking food also increases the yield. Like the braised cabbage takes 6 ingredients but makes 7 good items, so you're gaining food

[radiant heart]

alright, V16 booting, let's see that cool new stuff!

would be cool to have some dots on the Giand log bridge to get how long it is

a bit lost with it honestly

same with bridge platform

Methane in the trade... that's gonna be a problem 😭

[radiant heart]

Nice buff on the solar, feels more worth it now

And thanks for double connector!

[radiant heart]

Am I searching for nothing if i'm searchng for the better methane receipe?🤔

[radiant heart]

gee wizz the line is monstrous to go to the pizza 🤣

since they are missing a need in that one they all rush for it even if there is other food closer to them, just proved my point i think 😉

5k pizza eaten in less then 2 days

and a +20 on well-beeing 🤣

but after the conga line party it became real quiet and everyone went to sleep on a full belly!

takes a few days they don't hit the pizza, eat other stuff and i guess when one of the needs I don't have produce for they go back for pizza

[shell fiber]

Don't forget that the methane production got x2,5 😉

[radiant heart]

didn't remember the receipe for methane prior to the update

need to get that firefly sement tho before cllockwork tower can get back nto building

[shell fiber]

Well that was the point 😉

[radiant heart]

spadderdock is the real bottleneck for methane and need my tower for it 😒

[radiant heart]

but this "omni food", can they overeat ?

[shell fiber]

Used to be 10 spadderdock for 8 methane I think, now it's 20

[radiant heart]

but my usage exploded, on top of the chunker have 15 ballons running, even with the buff...

[shell fiber]

No but it fills all needs, and 6 times more efficiently that any other food

[shell fiber]

Pause the foundry then 😉

[radiant heart]

need the scrap from the foundry for the trade 😆

removed 12 primitive smelters to put up the foundry before finding about the methane for trade 🤦‍♂️

[shell fiber]

But that's mostly for ananas ans coffee right ?

[radiant heart]

ananas, not producing enough to bring in enough coffee

[shell fiber]

You can do without for a while

[radiant heart]

coconuts and ananas atm mainly

and started the larvas

but metal blocks beeing eaten by building to fast, not one left out for larvas yet

[thorny sapphire]

okay I am heading to bed waay too late, but I wanted to say thank you to @radiant heart again for the advice as well as huge props to @shell fiber. I am now at the stage where I finally get science in and I really liked the progression so far, because unlocking something through production chain necesseties feels meaningfull to me. Similarly I liked the added challenges in building placement.

[radiant heart]

GN

[radiant heart]

actually the buff is better then i tought, forgo i've just lost about 1/3rd of my spadderdock due to the badtide, it's stabilizing ( 2nd chunker not up tho)

[radiant heart]

Major burns are pilling up anything to heal them glazing in the horizon?

[radiant heart]

Soma plant now show up pink/purple when setting plant zones, is that normal? ( spadderdock and sunflower seeds , didn't try them all)

deluxe stew for the seeds... ouch, wouldn't want to have to make that off the hobby gardner... that's mean😆

How? and where are they stuck ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

Oh right I have fixed that thing I think, try to build a clinic base and make frost balm.
The top part should not be necessary

[shell fiber]

Not exactly normal but I know how to fix that

[shell fiber]

Is that a factory ?

[thorn dune]

the new dam drain houses, do they cost power or generate it? I thought it was like hydro power

[faint stirrup]

They cost power and act as a very large pump

[thorn dune]

oh I get it they can filter. looks like you could put a wheel below them and make more than they cost to run too

[faint stirrup]

I will post my setup on helix mountain once my game loads. Bit different to intended but it works well for my use mixed with stream gauge logic

Water flows down, bad water gets pumped to the left, good water goes straight on. Stream gauge logic turns the good water off when my reservoir is full and the left has a dam to allow the overflow to run off. Removes all risks from bad water as i only allow through clean water. Pumps on the left are there to help force drain bad water after a bad tide

They dont pump as much as you may expect from the description as a heads up. I was expecting the 3 m3/s to mean 3 blocks wide worth, i.e. what could fit through a 1 block high, 3 wide flood gate. Not the case, it took roughly 4 at full power to achieve that

[thorn dune]

water sim is half speed so should give 3x1x1 blocks of water every 2 seconds

[shell fiber]

paused houses used as levees 😱

[faint stirrup]

Nope, paused dam drains 🙂

[shell fiber]

oh

but the dam drain is also a house 🤔

[faint stirrup]

Yeh i had that thought, they fill my reservoir until full then pause to stop overflowing...

I would love them to have no pop to be honest but i know that breaks the water tight = house rule

For reference, this is the other side of my reserviour. Each side has pumps that run to keep the water levels level either side

[shell fiber]

wouldn't it be easier to just dig a side channel and put a dam in it to let the excess water out ?

if you like the dam drains, sure, but it seems quite a hassle to me

[faint stirrup]

There are easier ways for sure but i decided to go all in. Originally before i moved them to the bottom of the mountain, all water flowed to that point and those 4 pumps put clean itno my base and bad water to the left. Then i moved back as i got chance, its legacy setup in reality but i have to pop the reservior to fix it now

I find them required to an extent due to dams being capped at 2 tall and wanting taller water storage areas

[shell fiber]

soo... does it seem like the omni-food and omni-dring solved the chaos issue you have on very large colonies ?

[thorn dune]

do the grue live in the mines?

[faint stirrup]

From what i can see, it appears to. I only tried the omni food.
If i put 10k pizza in a box and let them eat it all without topping up, i seem to get around 6 cycles without them running into constant low food. Thats a 1.1k beavers
I have done other things to help like better handle well being so they will be throwing it off as well but it does still happen periodically without it

[faint stirrup]

Ok, i have a request/question. Is there any plan to implement a large larger battery system for late game like the flywheels mod does? (as that doesn't work)
I have loads of metal gravity batteries everywhere but with mass hydroponics to save on space later game, i'm using a ot of space for batteries

[radiant heart]

yes

[radiant heart]

i tought the same but no, they drain power to move water

[radiant heart]

looks like yes, only tried the food, since i have way too much drinks production for my pop and it's all in one spot so didn't really have issue with those

had my lesson on previous run and avoiding chaos mode on drinks is way easier then food 😉

[radiant heart]

clinic? can't see it anywhere 🤔

[thorn dune]

yeah I was confused by the nursing licence. I figured it was coming later

[radiant heart]

clinic was there on U4

but since they removed medecine in basic game it broke it

[radiant heart]

Methane to the trade broke the balance too, now ballons needs to fill in more materials per trip so it slows them down, not sure how to better solve that 🤔
1- have haulers in the base have a bigger carry bous
2- cut on the original item so total amount of items per trip is closer to what it was
3-crank the ouput

.... 🤔

( with the buff on the barrels it's cool for methane tho, struggling a bit for spadderdock but production rate is way more descent)

[pure lynx]

Hello. i am trying to get this mod installed. I have successfully installed mod manager and the options are showing when i launch the game. i then closed the game, download the mod file, extracted it into the bepinex/plugins folder and relaunched the game but the whitetails arent showing as a faction option. How do i get it to work?

[radiant heart]

did you get all the depedencies too? ( when downloading from mod managers it does it automaticaly)

[pure lynx]

i got all the dependencies from mod manager. but the page for this mod said it didnt work through mod manager so i had installed it alone manually.

[radiant heart]

it works but takes a bit to load since it's quite heavy, i'd suggest remove the file from pluggins and reload from mod manager to be safe

also, need the right version
U4-> 2.2.10
U5-> 3.0.16 ( and need to go over all depedencies and pick the latest one by one)

[pure lynx]

if my game is set in experimental mode will that affect it as well?

[shell fiber]

Experimental means you're on U5, no problem with that. You just need to dl the mod v3.0.16 and whichever is the latest for all dependencies (you will need to click on "show other versions" to see them)

[pure lynx]

OK thank you.

[shell fiber]

I'll thinking about giving them a worker and allow the recipe to run on its own like the mushrooms

[radiant heart]

that would be amazing

guess it will break the actual baloons and have to be another one ?

[pure lynx]

its working now. thank you both for your help

[radiant heart]

Could the flags be linked to the receipe, kinda like the storages? would be nice 😉

[radiant heart]

All the Glowing fluid chain works!

[radiant heart]

Something i noticed that husrts productivity, beavers will move production to storage even if the place is not full prior to making more ( wine cellar at least) so haulers don't ge the chance to do the moving and the workers waste a lot of time. is there a way to make them "not move stuff unless place full" ?

Coconuts are still a bit down ( 8 balloons runing and can't keep up for 600 beavers 😦 )

and 2-3 presses on milk to upgrade the coco buff availability

not even 400 have the buff, 1per50 is quite demanding

[shell fiber]

sadly i don't think so 😓

[shell fiber]

wait why does it produce 5 science 😅
probably a leftover from whatever reciepe i used as template

[shell fiber]

i think that's how they normally behave, is your storage prioritized ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

wait how many... 😱🤣

oh, wait wait wait, coconut milk is wasteful

it was originally intended for ice cream or general milk replacement in reciepes, but as a normal juxury you're better off not making juice

i'll correct that asap

okay, done

now pressing coconuts into juice makes +40% coconut need, and provides drink value

(the drink value was already here)

[distant wigeon]

The mod has gigantic carnivorous fireflies now???

[thorn dune]

building big dams is so much more fun in this than just slapping down a load of levees

oh, I remember you were asking about a way to make harvester buildings good lapan. can it give an aura that boosts growth of berry bushes?

[shell fiber]

oh i was maybe more thinking in terms of improving the visuals, i don't know if the fertilization script actually works on berries 🤔

was there an update recently, my timberborn crashes on main menu 😱

[thorn dune]

I started it up a few hours ago no problem

[shell fiber]

eh, i'm reinstalling bepinEX etc

[sullen cape]

reads back

Frozen Hooman Meat? 👀 👀 🤔 😱

[radiant heart]

tought that was cool they study zoology afterall and it's not like waste rocks that you have a steady production so it's a cute little bumb but that's it

[radiant heart]

got wine and kimchy settled, beer still needs more ( think i got 12 overalll atm)

[radiant heart]

that's why I stuggle so much 😅 up to 10 balloons and still can't have any leftover

[radiant heart]

storage isn't prioritized, need the priority in other places otherwise everything will be prioritized 😆

[radiant heart]

maybe kinda like the herbologist of FT, have dandelions and other plants racked up on the front wall( just decorative not actually blocking a voxel like the lumber house did)

[radiant heart]

not that I'm aware of, everything worked fine before bed yesterday, didn't open up this morning, need to get some work done

[radiant heart]

if you're talking about the behive script it works on crops not bushes and trees ( unless it got changed on U4)

[shell fiber]

well i want to reserve that for stuff in which you learn by doing, like metallurgy etc. i don't want mulpliple gimmick science source to be able to replace the science you should make with the library/ ens

[radiant heart]

unless you start building a ton of giga tanks it can't really replace the science making process, production is descent and caps quite fast once you got all the ingredients in place ( would not hurt if it was longer to produce IMO)

1 balloon per giant firefly is enough to keep it running so that's that and it's ok i suppose, needing many for one production spot would be too much

unless you come up with something that consumes the glowy juice on a steady base, i don't see the issue of it handing out some science for the few times it will be producing

( also if it becomes a steady consumption, the actual production rate is better not changed before seeeing the speed it gets drained)

[radiant heart]

you and not wanting gimmics in the same line 🤔 🤣

Anyway i've reched a point in that run i don't really care about science anymore, sure got some stuff still locked but got enough to do what i want to, just slowly pilling it up to get a fountain of joy somewhere

[shell fiber]

the intend is to have it used for exploing the deep mine

so it is going to be steady consumption

but one balloon supplying larvaes should be enough

[radiant heart]

it is witht the actual rate, tried it out ( built 2 planks tanks to let it run a bit and see)

one larva and one meat balloon is working, no need for a second one

or tird, however you see it

[radiant heart]

so better not mess around with the timing untill that is up then ... Ooo gonna have to give myself a deep ruin back then, totally forgot i removed those 😅

[shell fiber]

oh well an update just popped

let's see what broke this time 😅

[radiant heart]

that new IT building is cool !

[shell fiber]

i'm... a bit worried about the building flipping for the water pump upgrades😬

and the farms

[radiant heart]

yish, mudbath consuming dirt... always tought it should have been like that but....

[shell fiber]

well that part is really nice, because that means there is some script i can make use of 😉😉

[radiant heart]

well, temples gonna be broken, need extract to keep the fire alive

[thorn dune]

Smaller water bodies irrigate smaller areas.
oh no

[radiant heart]

hope my lido irrigation is good enough 🤞

[shell fiber]

hopefully

[thorn dune]

I don't use tiny pools much but some maps people have made have 1 wide water channels and I wonder how well it'll cope

and I do admit to blowing a tiny hole in a pool so I get to keep a little irrigation once I pump it all out in a drought.

[shell fiber]

to be honest i've always felt those were really exploits

[radiant heart]

my main concern is the "mirror building" beeing implemented, it's been a hot mess with a lot of mods and stuff, hope it doesn't totally break the WB

[shell fiber]

but that probably means they will put the irrigation tower back soon-ish

[shell fiber]

i hope that won't nuke my animations

[radiant heart]

i want my super fertilizer irrigation non-stingny hive lido back 😭

[thorn dune]

well it's one z level down form normal so you only get to keep irrigation in a smaller area

[radiant heart]

well, no more WB for a little while, latest update crashes the mod 😦

was expected tho, hope it's not too much work on lapan's side to fix that mess they created with mirror building beeing part of the actual game

[shell fiber]

From what I could see extracting the new scripts out should be mostly fine, the mirror thing is just a check box.

[radiant heart]

imagine beeing able to mirror the plug on the buildings.. how rude of them to implement that kind of stuff

[shell fiber]

And in case anyone had doubts, I am probably not going to make flipped Waterpump variants, that would mess with the stacking of upgrades

[radiant heart]

farms also i guess

[shell fiber]

Actually I would consider allowing those buildings to be flipped

[radiant heart]

anything with an upgrade won't be mirrorable i suppose

[shell fiber]

If that doesn't mess up anything, I don't mind

[shell fiber]

Could be made mirrorable but might be a bit fiddly to make. The benefit is mostly not with the time, I have already too many things to do

[radiant heart]

with the amount of time you spent making the power connection a clusterfuck i tought you would not let it be mirrored 🤣

[radiant heart]

totaly not worth it, you got better things to do ( coconuts juice keuf keuf 😇 )

[shell fiber]

Oh right, I didn't get to show what I was working on today

I started to make the food mall but ended up with the fruit bar 🤔

I think it looks cool, but the question is whether I'll manage to get the beavers sitting dancing etc the way I like

Because the dance hall has a script to have Beavers slots occupied in a precise order, I can make a building that is both a house and has visitors slots without ending with the inhabitants sleeping on the dance floor 😅

Or at least I hope

Game imploded when I tried to test it

[radiant heart]

woopsies

[shell fiber]

Well it seems to be the update

I just commented out the new building but wouldn't work either

[radiant heart]

can we get the IT new building too plz, looks really nice ! 🥹

[shell fiber]

So I'll just wait for @arctic olive to sacrifice a few virgins too the programming gods

[shell fiber]

Ah the theater thing ?

[radiant heart]

and there is something that needs to be done with the temple since WB don't have extract, some other sort of fuel will be required

[radiant heart]

yes

[thorn dune]

glow worm poop

[radiant heart]

problem is the glow worm poop is kinda far down the road

[shell fiber]

Putting it in did be easy enough, but making a WB - custom slow...

[thorn dune]

wait should I be building a temple? I never have enough science to build dams with the three kinds of platforms

[radiant heart]

just dump is as is for now ì suppose and the custom a future project

[shell fiber]

ATM temple is just a wellbeing thing

[radiant heart]

temple doesn't make science

[shell fiber]

No specific plan for what to do with it yet

[thorn dune]

right but it costs science. I only buy the shrub to keep them happy

[radiant heart]

For the temple i'd say pine resin maybe 🤔 or what that has 1 step of processing could be used 🤔

[radiant heart]

lol, gotcha, think i did the bushes at cycle 85~90 on that run

[thorn dune]

when it's fixed in a few days I'll buy the 1x1 roof too. they deserve a present

[radiant heart]

started those at the same time, actually went on a decoration spree and unlocked them all at once, dumped everywhere and set to orange priority so they slowly get to those when other stuff is built or lack materials

[shell fiber]

No guarantee that the temple keeps the same functionality if I ever mod it, but if it's only a matter of patching for functionality, either brain salts or glow fluid, or maybe I want to find more interesting uses for minty bamboo shoots 🤔

[radiant heart]

my isssue is those things are either locked behind a few steps and are not available as early as the extract is on vanilla pushing the temple to a higher tier it actually is. If the well-beeing it gives gets a boost it's fine i guess tho

[shell fiber]

Oh I could come up with some weird drink to make with it 🤔

[radiant heart]

"crème de menthe" , here comes another 5-6 wine cellars 😆

[shell fiber]

Temple is +3 ? +4 ?

[radiant heart]

don't remember

i'd guess +3

[shell fiber]

Probably more of a distillery thing 😉

That's a bit weak

Anyway, time to sleep for me

GN !

[radiant heart]

got only 2 of those so bring it on i suppose 🤣

GN !

[thorn dune]

+5! it's a huge boost for just logs and planks in vanilla, the tech costs doesn't matter there either

[radiant heart]

Ho wow, didn't think it was that big, guess the inclusion of some consumable is normal then

[thorn dune]

I always thought it was a little op in vanilla tbh. 5x5 and must build on ground aren't that' restricting

the extractis a good idea

[radiant heart]

often ended with problems placing it since i kept it for late game and was runnong out of ground space

[thorn dune]

the real problem I had with it was the same as alot of other things, you need one per district. I like lots of small tight districts and it's very inefficient to have one everywhere

wb is worse as you need 10+tiles of storage minimum just to have every building material avaialble 😅

[radiant heart]

getting the same issue but on a large one district, need a couple anyway in every corners of the map otherwise they don't go since it's too much walking

[shell fiber]

I think you should try to make multiple districts someday, just to see how that affects the efficiency of some stuff. Like make a micro district that just handles a bunch of kimchi barrels or mechanical drills 🤔

[radiant heart]

Next run i wanna go on a bigger map where I won't really have the choice to go many districts. On smalller ones the thing is when i get to a point i would unlock the crossing, it's already full and just finding the spots where the paths could get chopped for it is a nightmare 😅

there is also the part that the new rss distribution is super innefficient, probably gonna need 3-4 crossing at every place to keep up

efficiency should be better just wondering how bad distribution will be

[shell fiber]

probably should up it to 5 workers and check the bonuses 🤔

[radiant heart]

Vanilla is what, 10? and it looks not enough so...

[thorn dune]

yeah I agree. mine seems to work with 3 crossings but I'd feel better about it with a single building. i don't trust it works right in all cases and I have to check three places to see what's waiting to transfer

[radiant heart]

not sure if it could be done but having the good old distribution post would be much easier, not sure if both can coexist or if it is even doable

[thorn dune]

though it might be a while before we get to play again. still can't start up, seems like the flippable building code requires all textures to actually exist lapan 😄

[radiant heart]

Started a non-modded run whila lapan was fixing the WB last time, getting back to it while it gets fixed again

didn't have dynamite unlock, that irrigation thing hurts a lot

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgxEdXjesfo LOL, the first player planting brambles near the main district 😮

[radiant heart]

will have to watch that later

but if he doesn't remove the planting zone it won't do much...

[heavy lodge]

Will have fun. A lot 🤣

will see

[fluid wagon]

can anyone suggest a really large map to play with the water beaver overhaul? havent yet tried the experimental branch features so would like to give them a chance with this

[radiant heart]

won't work, last exp update broke the mod

[fluid wagon]

aw damn... well any suggestions I can keep in mind for when they become compatible again?

[radiant heart]

i always tend to go for helix when going for a large one. Want to try out volcano next time tho

new helix is not quite WB friendly tho

first badtide will most probably kill all your berries

[thorn dune]

something with lots of land for trees and food is good to start. plains, waterfalls etc.
or you could just do bad terrace like I did, though I removed badtides in the cutom difficulty.
might help first time too

[radiant heart]

waterfall is fun but not on the "large" size side, i guess the target is one in the 250x250 when talking about large maps

[thorn dune]

oh that's fair, it wasn't that big I guess.

[radiant heart]

150x150 is kinda the limit where 1 disctrict only is doable, over that travel time gets too dumb to be viable

[bronze ingot]

Hi, there is no way I can install Water beaver in U5, neither by using the mod manager in the game, nor by installing it manually.
I deleted everything everywhere, uninstalled and reinstalled, I've done it so many times that the beavers are now telling me to fuck off..
I don't know what to do anymore, can someone kind-hearted help me?

[thorn dune]

it won't work rght now due to an update yesterday
though, that error looks like you don't have the latest timerapi not the problem with WB
make sure you manually select the latest version as the default is to pick the u4 one

[bronze ingot]

thanks, but I installed the U5 version

[thorn dune]

no I mean the u5 version of the mods in the manager

[bronze ingot]

i have it

[thorn dune]

the error looks like timberapi, the latest for that is 0.6.3.1 ?

[bronze ingot]

yes

[thorn dune]

sorry I don't know, you do have tw otimberapis with different version in that mod folder though, is one disabled somehow?

with wb and other mods installed right now I can load into the main menu and it's only breaking when starting a new game or loading, on a "unstorablestorage" texture. if that helps

[bronze ingot]

I check, but I seem to have only one version, having manually deleted any previous version, moreover

[thorn dune]

I mean this one, looks like the old + new versions both installed together and the old doesn't have the number mod manager gives it so it might have been done manually? But honestly I'm guessing a little now, if it's not starting up I think it's more likely to be a general mod problem not WB and people in #1064824859563130951-basics are probably better at helping than me

[bronze ingot]

now I only have the one indicated by you, and it tells me this

I'll try again to uninstall everything and repeat the procedures, then I'll give up, I've been trying for many weeks now Thanks anyway for your help

[thorn dune]

aha 😄

sorry missed it as you said u5, wb is very old there.

here's mine in the main menu

as I say wb won't work for a bit until lapan fixes it, but when it does you'll likely need 3.0.17

3.0.16 shoudl load to main menu at least for now

[bronze ingot]

ohhhh

I'll wait, thanks again for your patience

[tall cobalt]

Yeah WB is broken on newest update

Hmm. As to the bamboo shoots having another use - maybe a "curry rice" that is kind of like the fried rice except it uses later stuff like coconut and ananas alongside the bamboo shoots? I was very surprised when I realized bamboo shoots aren't edible

Also, still pulling for "hot spring" which is an attraction where it's a nice completely normal-looking bathtub except you need to dig a 12 unit deep hole for it

I had several other ideas but I am going to wait for after I get an opinion from lapant on hot-spring to say anything else

[sullen cape]

Sounds interesting. If Lapan doesn't want to include it maybe you could make your own mod

[radiant heart]

There is already plently of food stuff, beavers hardly can eat them all already, it was discussed a few days ago in here and the idea is probably to cut out some not adding since it's already a tad overcrowded in the food section

[tall cobalt]

fair

[shell fiber]

I like the idea, but remind me someday 😅 I have broken stuff to fix 😞

[shell fiber]

Yeah I don't think I'll be adding any more food, but I want the minty bamboo shoots to be useful so I may base a drink on it, and probably want to use it a coolant for the nuclear pizza power plant (don't question beaver logic)

[radiant heart]

could be tradable maybe? getting a bit redundant to have all trades use methane, could switch some for the bamboo stuff

[shell fiber]

Right now my priority is to fix the mod, then fix the food and drink chaos, then nuclear power plant

[radiant heart]

At lest Battery_smooth is back and arranged the flywheels ( before i even have my first bettery in space 😆 )

[shell fiber]

But how do you get hot air for a hot air balloon without something to burn 🤔

[radiant heart]

you cool the air around so the ballon is hotter and floats ( don't question beaver logic😝 )

honestly didn't think about it that way, tought they were bringning methane on top of the other rss, makes more sence like that

[radiant heart]

Just a tought, if it's only the flip option that wrecks the WB, can't the mod itself simply disable it ? at least as a quick fix

[tall cobalt]

Attempting to deal with WB's awkward building shapes is part of the fun, so I honestly don't mind if WB turns flipping off permanently

[radiant heart]

maybe some basic buildings like the woodfelling lodge to swap the door but nothing in the industrial zone, they look great and don't wanna imagine the trouble to flip all those cool visual/animations

[thorn dune]

it's gonna explode if we run out of water right?

[sullen cape]

DON'T give them ideas 😱

[shell fiber]

I'm pretty sure that's not the issue

[shell fiber]

Only if someone makes a script that does that 😅

[shell fiber]

Will mostly depend on whether flipping buildings works effortlessly or not

But for example of I make the paper mill flippable, it might be more convenient in some situations, but it doesn't change that the door and plug are in weird places.

[tall cobalt]

Flipping the water pump would make it extremely convenient, possibly too much so

I mean part of what I'm thinking about wrt excessive convenience is things like the screw press

[mighty scroll]

help my game cant load it just red screens me I want to make new whitepaws settlement

[thorn dune]

we need to know versions of everything, game and mods, to help

[mighty scroll]

i only have the nessecary mods downloaded and activated

the ones in the 'dependencies'

[shell fiber]

it depends if you're trying to play on the "normal" game version or the "experimental" one (that includes the new bad water, bad tides etc)

[shell fiber]

ah, i think i found the bug

or should i say bug N°2

well it's not imploding yet

[thorn dune]

more stable than my beaver's food supply then, ship it

[shell fiber]

crash

after 568614ms loading 😓

oh i see, some sounds call are not correct

[weak root]

i'm having graphics problems where i'm getting pink cubes instead of fire after installing this mod (and its dependencies) with game version 4

[shell fiber]

are you playing on mac by any chance ?🤔

[weak root]

yes! it's monteray 12.7.1 (edit: thats an excited "yes!", not an annoyed "yes!")

[shell fiber]

hmm...
i think you're the second person who has this issue (at least that i know of) and unfortunately i have no idea what's causing it 😥

[weak root]

my game log file has hundreds of these repeated errors: [Error : Unity Log] Desired shader compiler platform 14 is not available in shader blob [Warning: Unity Log] The EnvironmentVertexColorPrefabOptimizer registry size is now 265, exceeding the expected size of 30

i was told those are just saying there are mods present but when i searched "pink cubes" here, i found this message #🤖mod-creators message where a modder talks about pink cubes being involved with shaders

[shell fiber]

maybe @tawdry bronze has any idea about the shader part ?

i the meantime i managed to get the mod to lauch, no idea why it crashed before

starting a new game first seems to have helped for some reason

[tawdry bronze]

[Warning: Unity Log] The EnvironmentVertexColorPrefabOptimizer registry size is now 265, exceeding the expected size of 30

this message is because we add stuff to the game

[Error  : Unity Log] Desired shader compiler platform 14 is not available in shader blob

unsure exacly why this message is but can be a defective shader that does it.
do you have a complete Bepinex/logoutput.log that you can upload and its possible that it gives a hint of why

what OS do you use?

[weak root]

oh okay if they're separate errors that makes more sense that the first one is just saying there are extra files

here's the log. it's a txt file because i copied the original to remove my username in textedit

[shell fiber]

he's on mac

only other person who reported that was on mac too

[tawdry bronze]

ya so it could be that the shader behave different for him

[shell fiber]

(sorry to ping you btw, but i'm a fish out of water for that stuff)

[tawdry bronze]

do you have the fire on top of the cart in your game?

np

[shell fiber]

in my game yes

[tawdry bronze]

my problem was in my game i did not see water drops from the pump but had added it but on mac it showed as pink

but have not found a sure solution for the problem 😦

[thorn dune]

have you seen this?
https://forum.unity.com/threads/error-in-mac-build-desired-shader-compiler-platform-15-is-not-available-in-shader-blob.457515/
just googling but it seems like the assembly package can be given a different version to the main unity version, and if mac unity doesn't support all the ones pc does that might do it?

I resolved changing the Graphics API in Edit - Project Setting - Player, to same API in project build game.

I avoid getting too deep in unity and the thunder* stuff for modding confuses me even more , sorry if I'm way out

[tawdry bronze]

well we are happy it builds and we are using thunderkit to build it 😉 its 80% magic

and if its some change needed when building we cant do anything for current stable (we have updated for U5 to get that working)

[shell fiber]

oh you mean his issue is fixed in U5 ?

i just fixed the mod

also made a bunch of inconsequencial building flippable, this thing work really nice

[arctic olive]

Neet!!

Does it remove building tools in the bottom bar ?

[shell fiber]

why would it remove building tools ? i guess the flipped lodge is removed but that seems about it

i didn't confirm the animations are in order yet though

i'll jsut upload it and leave that for @radiant heart to figure out 😅

aaaah

i made a terrible mistake

i removed the flipped variants that i had made myself, but forgot that it would make them entirely disappear in people's saves

uploading a new version immediately

[thorn dune]

loading a ..

yes 🙂

new game works 😄

[shell fiber]

aaah, no wait 😅

your left entrances lodges and double loges will disappear

[thorn dune]

loading the save actually crashed on the sound error you had earlier

not sure it even got so far as to hit this problem. there might be an issue with one of the buildings

[shell fiber]

try to start a new game first with the wb

then try to load the save

[thorn dune]

ahhh

[shell fiber]

hmm... i had the game crash on title screen, but clearing staging fixed it

why... ?

okay, fixed version uploading

it's almost midnight 😥

[thorn dune]

deleted 3.0.17 was bad

[shell fiber]

well uploaded 3.0.18 if the game start it means nothing is really rotten at least

[thorn dune]

it works

[shell fiber]

including your save ?

[thorn dune]

3.0.18 loads directly from main menu

amazing

yes my save

[shell fiber]

not sure what i did but nice !

[thorn dune]

a quick check shows all my buildings exist 😄

[shell fiber]

maybe that was indeed the staging / libraries folder

[thorn dune]

yeah I thought it being a mustic problem meantit was unrelated to your fix but eh vOv

[shell fiber]

also i added the clinic back

but not the clinic upgrades

[thorn dune]

it is there yes

the weirdest bit is all my irrigation looks good

[faint stirrup]

3.0.18 crashes on the sound error for me when loading btw. Not done a new save yet

[thorn dune]

is it as dumb as loading a second time and it works ?

it might be luck. I'll try saving and reloading

[faint stirrup]

Hmm i think i have an issue with timberapi so let me fix that first and i will try again

[radiant heart]

if it works it works, don't overthink it !

[shell fiber]

one of the thing that might help is reinstalling timber api for some reason ?

don't know why, i did that and it worked once 🤔

well good news for you @radiant heart i can most likely add back the tank showers 🙂

[thorn dune]

seems solid to me save -> main menu -> load worked fine

[shell fiber]

also the hospital is back on the table

[radiant heart]

not that i'm going for a hard mode run soon tho but still nice to have them they look cool and might want some for whatever obscur reason

probably some near the "dirty buildings"

[thorn dune]

oh I unpaused and all my trees are out of irrigation. argh

of course

[radiant heart]

lido irrigation FTW ! think i'll be ok, can't wait to see

[faint stirrup]

Fetched a new timerapi as i had forgotten to update after the update
Still loading but currently seeing these in the log

[thorn dune]

I have enough dynamite to fix it I think

[thorn dune]

never getting to the endgame saves me again 😉

[shell fiber]

strange... how old is your save ?

are your megaplatforms on top of clockwork farms or on top of greenhouses ?

[faint stirrup]

The map is maybe a week old but the save is just before the update? I had some ontop of clockworks, some ontop of greenhouses
Half my clockworks and mega platforms are there, the rest are missing