Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

I think i understood why sequoias don't plant on your map.
they are hum... 20 tall

and the max map height is like 32 ?

[heavy lodge]

Add quadruple-terrain-bounds as dependency of WBH and is solved ...

[shell fiber]

could be a plan

maps cannot have ground above the expected height limit right ?

[heavy lodge]

YA, and ground + object height is limited by game settings , but can be override by quarduple terrain bounds mod

[radiant heart]

will try again on lower ground, will see, true that i tried on one of the gighest ground of my map, tought it would be cool looking....

[shell fiber]

i'm about to give it a test rn

but i also don't think anyone in their right mind would try to go above a sequoia and build stuff there (and how ?)

so i'll probably shorten them

in terms of voxel occupancy of course

not visually

aaand, yep

they immediately go planting

[radiant heart]

i'd try just because you said so 🤣 on a hard mode run of course 😝

[shell fiber]

okay, good luck 😅

[radiant heart]

would look cool actually having bridges go across those huge trees, make the beavers heawoks

[shell fiber]

actually i was considering the possibility

but that requires a few adjustments

[heavy lodge]

Like this bridges ?

[shell fiber]

definitely doable to have overhang platforms be buildable on the side of the trunk

kindof

but going trought the tree trunk is not quite what i had in mind 😅

[radiant heart]

There are places on the west coast of canada i think trees were so big they have a tunnel for car going trough it... might be wrong on the location but I've seen that somewhere

[heavy lodge]

Maybe @tawdry bronze will make tunnels go through sequoia ?

[radiant heart]

Think the tunnel shafts will do it

Yup, confirmed, on lower ground they plant

[shell fiber]

i've fixed the inner path too

and added a fake floor to allow for that

yep, think i'll jsut add quadruple terrain height as dependancy

so now what was the weird thing with the bridges again ?

[radiant heart]

First issue was the 4-5-6 were broken it's gone on 2.2.2

that's the strange one from yesterday, the path under

won't let me place one there

[shell fiber]

ah, okay,

[radiant heart]

actually might have been the same issue just didn't notice

[shell fiber]

yeah, that easy to fix

no it was a different thing

just after the fixation point, the underside of the bridge was using a full woxel

which was a remainer of the old model that had struts under it

but that caused many visual issues with the library and irrigation tower

[radiant heart]

can we get longer bridges? 😅 like 7-8-9, maybe 10 with probably a "support part" of 3-4 long instead of 2 (also higher columns or cables won't have a decent angle to support all that) 😉

(please)

later in gamei like to make a mess of bridges going all over the fileds, think it looks sweet !

[shell fiber]

uuh

i had some silly idea in mind

[radiant heart]

on that one fields are a tad too big tho, even double 6 bridges cut it short a bit

[shell fiber]

i was thinking about balloon platform

[radiant heart]

tell me more, you know i like that ! ( usually after complaining a bit but still)

[shell fiber]

like a platform floating above ground thanks to a balloon

[radiant heart]

that's interesting !

[radiant heart]

oupsy, been forever since i opened the steel bridges

prefer the looks of suspendend bridges tho 😉

[heavy lodge]

but, it's only 6, max ....

[radiant heart]

that's why I asked for longer ones, who knows maybe our WB Gods will drop that in some day

[shell fiber]

well making models that look halfway plausible would be difficult

[heavy lodge]

God ? Evil one, who make beavers "eaten by a monster" 🤣

[radiant heart]

not that much, need the support part to be higher so angle is better for the cables, strictly from en engineering perspective a 10 long suspended makes more sence then a 10 long steel one the way they are in the game

[heavy lodge]

True, but the suspension bridges also need anchor blocks, and this must be ground only ....

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B2YJX2/anchor-block-suspension-bridge-between-islands-typical-norwegian-bridge-B2YJX2.jpg

[radiant heart]

beavers are not that heavy, just a good conterweight could do it ( some use for the useless rocks)

[heavy lodge]

and if beavers transport a sequoaia ? 🥳

[radiant heart]

the power of magic, don't you remember they "zip" the log for the transport ? 😆

[heavy lodge]

I must admit, it's the first time i heard about zipping the weight, something new 🤣

[radiant heart]

at that point suspended bridges could cross the whole map (would have a beaver fall down here and there tho i guess)

[heavy lodge]

Some bridge idea ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVhWu8zIhCA Or, maybe no 😬

[shell fiber]

not quite what i was hoping for

[heavy lodge]

😮 Another "eating beaver" ?

[radiant heart]

bottomless pit to toss useless eaters? 😆

[shell fiber]

no i wanted to remove the bottom visual so that the building that i place on top can make the hole appear

but that's not how the "terrain cutout" works apparently

uuh, i'm not being very clear here 😅

i thought the terrain cutout script would just make one layer of ground disappear but would instead diplay the layer under it

but it doesn't

it just makes a gaping hole leading straight to the void

[radiant heart]

lol

[shell fiber]

okay, what i wanted to do is probably not worth the effort

[radiant heart]

How about just making it part of the visual of the building?

[shell fiber]

well that's what i was poking at

i could manually make a dirt shaft plunging into the earth

but that would only be for displaying some sort of elevator platform being lowered into the ground

which i can do anyway

just need to make the building a couple of blocks taller so that it still feels you're lowering into somethign

[radiant heart]

is that gonna be the tier4 mining or something else completely?

[shell fiber]

mostly some endgame stuff

i just had a good idea

take a big barrel

flip it inside out

paint it dirt

[shell fiber]

possibly allow mining plutonium or something similar

[radiant heart]

just curious, did you upgrade the output of the annas/coconut ballons so 1 per 100 beaver can make it or i still got to figure one per 80 beavers?

[shell fiber]

uuh, didn't touch the reciepe speed

nor the need

so shoud be unchanged

[radiant heart]

ok

well, the need sure changed, coconuts are whine now, wine was not there last time I made balloons so...

[shell fiber]

coconuts are wine ?

what do you mean ,

?

[radiant heart]

This, and it ain't cheap...

[shell fiber]

aah

yeah they cost wine

those darn hippies only want booze 😅

[radiant heart]

IMO the ratio is a bit nuts, would have it the other way around

like the beer to shells make sence but the wine to coconut.. way too pricy

[shell fiber]

hmmm

fair point

which one is easier to produce ? wine of beer ?

*mass produce

[radiant heart]

kinda hard to tell

if i got to give a awnser right away i'd say beer since the barrels can make it but still need to process the nuts

but nuts are longer to get then the grapes 🤔

[shell fiber]

because i could exchange that

[radiant heart]

I think the beer/shell one is descent, specially since shells are not consumed that fast

maybe the shells brought back could drop to 40-45,

Coconuts on the other hand, it's basic food so they get eaten as soon as the ballon lands

like with that ratio i'd rather have more wine for my beavers then helping the islands beavers get drunk up 😆

Coconut +3 Wine +5 maths ain't hard on that one

[shell fiber]

oh right

i was about to say "i should recheck the WB buffs on that"

[radiant heart]

like cocos would have to be +10 to make it half descent with that trade ratio

[shell fiber]

oh don't forget that one coconut gives a straight +1 to the need while wine gives probably +0.3

[radiant heart]

but i don't need 3 days to make 40 Wine 😉

[shell fiber]

but i think you're right anyway, when you live on a paradise island with coconuts everywhere, that's probably not a very valuable ressource

i could easily drop the cost to 20 wine

[radiant heart]

even 15 unless you're willing to give more cocos per trip

( getting back to the little buff up i mentionned sooner about having 1 ballon per 100 beavers )

How about 18 Wine for 31 cocos?

(no i didn't use my calculator) 😅

[shell fiber]

ahah

let's keep it to round numbers

Hell yeah, look at that !

[radiant heart]

lol, kinda liked having numbers a bit messed up to change stuff

[radiant heart]

Just WOW !

[radiant heart]

20 wine for 35 cocos then?

[shell fiber]

could do

but then i want to check the other reciepes for pinapple and stuf

Ananas is taking metal fixations so who cares : up to 35

[radiant heart]

pinapple is 1 to one ratio with fastener, it's ok IMO, would just have to make it 35 to 35

Side Note : did i mention i really like the Trebs ? Tossed some all over the map just because they are cool 🤣

[shell fiber]

if only i could have the impact point destroy stuff

[radiant heart]

probably would mess it all up if stuff is sent outside the map

[shell fiber]

yeah sadly

[radiant heart]

just curious, when do you think next update is dropping in,? getting close to starting a new run but at the same time i'd like to try the ballon balance with what we discussed

[shell fiber]

not sure what shape i want this thing to have, but something like that

[shell fiber]

oh, don't know exactly, but soon

did i have any urgent bug going on ?

ah, the tree nursery path issue

hmm... not super urgent

i'll set the latest version live for now

[radiant heart]

nothing really "urgent" but a bunch of little things here and there that would be nice to have corrected for sure

[shell fiber]

i have a day off tomrrow, so i think i'll play for a while and probably push an update after

[radiant heart]

guess that one gonna need the sequoia big logs !

[shell fiber]

good night !

have fun !

[radiant heart]

GN

[radiant heart]

Fun FAct: Grapes are messed up, red ones produce white ones and white ones produce red ones, no wonder my wine production is crap ...

and it's all stuck due to too much mush, can that be tossed away with the treb also or i'm missing a way of using it ? 🤔

[glossy hornet]

ok so, could someone tell me what the logic is with the crappy windmills? I'm on a map with a massive cliff right there and I can't just build an overhang platform off of it and get a top grade one

[radiant heart]

tought it works from a side platform 🤔

is that 12 above the ground under? like if you try to put the shittiest one does it work or can't place any on the platform?

[heavy lodge]

wait, it's windmill or gravity battery ? 😮

[glossy hornet]

the windmill

[heavy lodge]

No, it's about that need to hang 🤣 Like a gravity battery ...

[glossy hornet]

oh alright, I misread it as you asking me if I was talking about the windmill or the battery

[heavy lodge]

np, @shell fiber likes to make this mode deserve his name, "water hell" 🤣

[glossy hornet]

so uhh... is the windmill supposed to not work when on an overhang?

[heavy lodge]

Should work if is placed at least 6 block high then ground bellow....

[radiant heart]

Kinda hard to tell how high with the angle but doesn't look like 6 above

@glossy hornet tried the H3 on that?

[glossy hornet]

yep, still can't place it

[radiant heart]

🤔

[glossy hornet]

the cliff's 10 high

[radiant heart]

windmills work with height diffrence with the ground under and it's base, actual terrain hight means nothing

[glossy hornet]

...what the actual fuck?

why would you have it work like that

like I'm sorry for swearing but I'm actually surprised that it works like that

oh wait misread

[heavy lodge]

But, the blocking area is one tile around the windmill. Maybe the blocking area also need to be 6 block above ground ?

[radiant heart]

it doesn't work on platforms apparently, @shell fiber might wanna look that up, should work IMO

[glossy hornet]

I thought you meant terrain did not equal height when it comes to windmills

[radiant heart]

just tried it

[glossy hornet]

it might be that the windmills treat overhangs as ground

[radiant heart]

probably

try putting a shitty platform on it , will see if it's treated as ground

[distant wigeon]

It doesn't work at that particular spopt because WIndmills have an overhang that cannot hang off the edge of the map.

[glossy hornet]

can't put a platform on a platform for whatever reason

[radiant heart]

tought about it and tried it not on the edge, still not working

[radiant heart]

cauz platforms are ground only with the WB so it's normal, also means it's not beeing treated as ground, must be something else

[distant wigeon]

Huh. Interesting. Looks like a bug.

[shell fiber]

That's a bit tricky because the game contains nothing that I can access that actually measures the absolute elevation nor the amount of space under a building.

The windmills must be placed on something solid, and find something solid exactly 3/6/9/12 blocks under them.

Most watertight buildings have intermediary floors so you don't need to adjust too much on top of that but from a overhang it's more tricky

[shell fiber]

Pile up yet another house and try to place a h6 on either the top or side

[glossy hornet]

so if the cliff's 10 high then throw it on a 2 high house right next to it?

[shell fiber]

Yeah that should do it

Or you can place a one tall thing under it and place a h9 too

[glossy hornet]

wait, doesn't the gravity battery measure the elevation?

or is it just "X space below, therefore Y max power"

[heavy lodge]

Remember that this mod is codeless, elevation cannot be measured without code.

[glossy hornet]

I did not know the mod was codeless

didn't think such a thing was possible

[heavy lodge]

All Knatte mods are also codeless ...

[shell fiber]

i don't understand how that actually works sadly, but it doesn't seems i can use that anyway

i'm basically rearranging and abusing existing mechanics

[glossy hornet]

but there's new plants and materials, don't you have to dive into the code to add those in?

[shell fiber]

like the upgrades and buildings with internal paths, it's always been possible just the devs didn't think about / didn't want to do it

[shell fiber]

not really "code" but rather specifications

tiny code-like files that let you specify the name of a thing, the color of the box, is it consumable etc

basically one "item" like "cabbages" is a good specification for the item itself

then a need specification for the "cabbage" need that makes beavers want to eat it

and then you need to feed it an icon, text entries in different languages and you're done

[heavy lodge]

or to be "eaten by a monster" 🤣

[shell fiber]

ahah

that one is just a need 🙂

[heavy lodge]

A need for a monster ? 😄

[glossy hornet]

everybody needs a monster

[shell fiber]

hopefully the tiny flag will be a better indicator

[glossy hornet]

yeah that'll probably work

does that mean that 6 can't be placed at 3? I just through about it

[shell fiber]

uh, nope, but why would you do that ? 6 produces more 🙂

[glossy hornet]

I mean nobody would I was just thinking of how you mentioned the hieght thing works

[radiant heart]

got it, tought it had to be "above" not exactly

[shell fiber]

actually my description might say that

letme check

[glossy hornet]

on another note, who needs ground only platforms when you have vertical power shafts

[shell fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-night-live-maya-rudolph-snl-the-horror-horrified-gif-4550434

[radiant heart]

description is "at least"

[shell fiber]

well now i have something to fix

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-gingerbread-man-you-are-a-monster-broken-leg-shrek-gif-5498298

[shell fiber]

well you can do that, but that's kind of cheaty if you ask me 😅
it's like using small warehouses as platform in the base game 😉

[glossy hornet]

I physically can't reach that spot without doing this. I gotta reach there to put some water wheels

[radiant heart]

there is always a way, ight be a shitty one with houses and all but there is always one 😉

[shell fiber]

you can probably pile a couple of houses and platforms and stairs 🙂

typically the pit and ladder lodge can allow that pretty easily 🙂

[glossy hornet]

I'd end up blocking the entire river with houses

[shell fiber]

on that matter, did you notice that you cannot replant berries ?

before you brutally murder them all 😅

[glossy hornet]

I got a big ol field on another spot of the map

[radiant heart]

liar, you can but not as easy as other factions 😉

[glossy hornet]

which gave me a headache when I uprooted my local dandelion patch and realized every single other one has dried out

[shell fiber]

also once you managed to reach the upper ground, you can pretty easily build ladders down there, if you want to...hide the traces...

[glossy hornet]

I started on the upper ground

and I do not have ladders

didn't install them

[radiant heart]

ladder doesn't work unless you get the spec file from someone, at least that i know of

[shell fiber]

didn't i make it a dependency ?

[radiant heart]

No

[glossy hornet]

nah it's just in the small little list of recommended addons I completely looked over

[shell fiber]

oh you're right

[radiant heart]

recommended but not compatible atm, need the "magical folder"

[glossy hornet]

you could make the magic folder into a mod and make that a dependency

[radiant heart]

not sure about the exact detail but lapantoufle knows how to drop it in

(he made the mod not me ) just been playtesting the F out of it since ...

[shell fiber]

to be honest i think ladder are kind of OP but at the same time they are just amazing to build farms and stuff high up because going down does not cost movement

yeah 'ill make a tutorial part 3 i guess

[radiant heart]

Not Fancy ones?

( got 24 fancy waiting and it's not building)

[glossy hornet]

on my end it doesn't even ask for blueprints

and my artist shack doesn't have fancying it as an option either

[radiant heart]

i'm on 2.2.2, live version is 2.2.1 😉

[glossy hornet]

ah aight

[radiant heart]

testing stuff out

[glossy hornet]

good time to mention I do not like the blueprint system. Adds what's essentially red tape to what coulda been a normal recipe

it's a pretty eh way to force the player to put down 12 more beds in their city

3 for the mechanic's lodge, 3 for the architect's lodge, 3 for the hadicrafter's lodge (cause ya need pencils), and 3 to fancy the blueprints

[radiant heart]

haaaa dam, forgot now you need to build the balloons 🤣

[heavy lodge]

with this faction, only about lack of beds you cannot complain 🤣

[radiant heart]

actually i ended up with the opposite problem beeing too conservative on building extra house ( still 400 beavers tho)

[heavy lodge]

Sorry, was about starting a game, not the end one ...

[radiant heart]

just destroyed a bunch of flags and replaced with the house doing the same job

[radiant heart]

think i'm on an older version or something, my metal bridges stop at 5 long 🤔

[shell fiber]

it's more about giving the player things to think about and plan ahead.
in the base game you just build a bunch of inventors and forget about them forever. then everything is basically unlocked because you're swimming in science anyway.
Here you have to build the architect and mechanics to build gears and platforms, but you also have to thing about when and what blueprint you want to unlock next, because that will immobilize the guy for a good two weeks in game.

[heavy lodge]

Update the Path Extension mod

[shell fiber]

the thing with the artist / copist is also due to a game limitation, but when you don't use them they can produce wellbeing

[glossy hornet]

why not just have the blueprint be able to be used for everything? why do ya have to even have fancy blueprints?

[shell fiber]

that's because the game doesn't support duplication reciepes

[heavy lodge]

will be to easy

[glossy hornet]

I'm not saying "the blue blueprint will be used for these 5 buildings" I'm saying why does there have to be a fancy dam upgrade blueprint, why couldn't you just have the normal dam upgrade blueprint be used

[glossy hornet]

and I'm guessing it doesn't work to have multiple possible inputs for the same crafting recipe so you can't have "blue blueprint" that the artist can craft into the usable material then have the dam upgrade blueprint be made into multiple blue blueprints?

[heavy lodge]

Blueprint take a lot of time to make. Fancy is a way to make copy for BP, if faction don't changed too much ...

[shell fiber]

do you mean alternate input ? having a cooking place use logs OR coal as fuel ? the game doesn't allow that either. i could force it by having a reciepe duplicate for example but that quicly becomes unpractical

ah i see what you mean

no it does't work

the reciepe cannot be "blue blueprint X" -> "fancy blue BP X" and have X as variable

would be neat though

[glossy hornet]

I was thinking moreso "blue blueprint" -> "blue blueprint for [building]" and then "blue blueprint for [X], [Y], [Z], etc" -> "blue blueprint x3"

actually I just reworded what you said aight yeah I getcha

[radiant heart]

it was like that before the fancy and regular BP but you had to wait the 300h everytimes to make another, copy/artist is to make more faster of things you want multiple like waterwheel for exemple

[heavy lodge]

300 working hours ...

[radiant heart]

how about mecanic makes bleu, architect makes green and they are not specific to one building but require basically every items for all?

[shell fiber]

but then you only have one to research

that doesn't justify haveing a guy with a house for one blueprint

[radiant heart]

remove the copy?

( i don't like that tho)

[glossy hornet]

can't you only get research from the library? or are you saying research as a term for drawing up blueprints

[radiant heart]

trying to think of a way to make it a bit more simple while keeping it closer to the "intended way"

[shell fiber]

plus that would mean for example that the clockwork farm is made the same as the mechanical water pump

[shell fiber]

oh yeah i mean drawing up the blueprints

to be honest i like the system as it is

plus in that stage of the game, it's nice to have a variety of watertight houses to build a dam

otherwise it's going to be mostly haulers

[radiant heart]

just feels like it's at the limit, there is a fuckton of BPs already, can't really add more green/blues

[shell fiber]

i have no plans to add more

next is the diplomas

😉

[radiant heart]

noticed 😉 thing tho is it would be nice to have the icons everywhere the same as the ones in the archi/mecha for faster finding

[glossy hornet]

I only have one active house and yet I have 160 beavers, and my food/water production can barely keep up. Houses are useless apart from lodges acting as ladders for those who haven't installed that mod

[heavy lodge]

and an archive building to store those 🤣

[radiant heart]

scrolls rack in the librairy 😉

[heavy lodge]

Nope, it's too important to be stored there

[shell fiber]

Can you send some screenshots of your map ? Out of curiosity

[glossy hornet]

yeah sure lemme boot up the game rq

[radiant heart]

well, could have a "university archive right there"

[glossy hornet]

should I do top down or try to fenangle the angle that I can get some pics of a lotta stuff. I mainly built wide instead of tall

[radiant heart]

looks like a nice flat zone for an "upgrade"

[shell fiber]

whichever you fells lets us see how is your thing organised

[shell fiber]

you're not really meant to store diplomas you know 😅

[glossy hornet]

I'll just take a couple pictures of the map and do the best I can

[shell fiber]

dear god the bramble nightmare

[radiant heart]

planted that field actually, it's my flower source for food 😉

[glossy hornet]

straight up took me 3 attempts trying to remove a bramble bush around the size of hte field in the bottom right

[radiant heart]

best way is to flood them but shh 🤫 it's a secret 😉

[glossy hornet]

the 6th pic is the backside of the first pic

[radiant heart]

well, if i want to go from mush tent to mush house i'd need more then one production so would want to store and copy before doing the actual build

[shell fiber]

actually they tolerate water more now 🙂

[glossy hornet]

there's a shut off paper mill and an active rudimentary sawmill buried in the windmill hell

[shell fiber]

oh that's quite a nice build 🙂

i like how it actually looks like a village

but yeah you definitely need more waterpumps

probably more farmland too

[glossy hornet]

I wasn't even going for aesthetics or anything I just build like this

[glossy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[shell fiber]

so you lost all of your dandelions rigth ?

[glossy hornet]

got a field replanted recently

[shell fiber]

that's kind of painful 😅

oh, good

[glossy hornet]

that's what I tried 3 times to remove the bramble bush for

[shell fiber]

because the hobby farmers are not what most would call efficient 😅

ah i see

to let the dandelion spread ?

[glossy hornet]

so that I have room to plant some

[shell fiber]

ah i didn't see you got a tree nursery

[glossy hornet]

had way too many brambles placed to get some kimchi going, cabbage is the weak spot rn

[glossy hornet]

image 4, go a bit down from the center

[shell fiber]

i think your version is quite outdated to be honest

[glossy hornet]

wait what?

[shell fiber]

mod manager seems to not be working fully

i don't know what's happening to be honest

[glossy hornet]

I'm on 2.2.0

[shell fiber]

ooh, i see

not so late then

the tree nursery is supposed to require "exotic seeds" that you get through a balloon trader

which requires a green BP

[glossy hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[shell fiber]

but in your case it's good you could replant the dandelions early 😅

[glossy hornet]

already planted, they're front n center on image 4

[shell fiber]

yeah i saw theù

no worries

[radiant heart]

dam, missed that one, glad i built it on earlier version

[shell fiber]

it is also no longer watertight, but you can build the glass walls for watertighting when you have glass

which is quite further down the line

[radiant heart]

is it possible to have the top floor walkway without the glass walls ? think it'scool it can be a "staircase building" kinda like the librayry

[shell fiber]

uuh, no the trees are blocking the way

but you can build a bridge on the top door

[radiant heart]

so that's getting wrecked on next update?

[shell fiber]

🤫

sorry 😅

[radiant heart]

not the first time and probably not the last you pull one out like that, getting used to it 😉

[glossy hornet]

one last complaint before I go to sleep: the hitboxes when placing the dam upgrades and the upgrade end cap things are jank asf and I could barely place the end caps, each individual one took at best a minute to get on there

[shell fiber]

gotta afk for a little while !

[radiant heart]

you mean the pump upgrades?

[radiant heart]

later, gonna hit the bed soon here, ttyl 👋

[glossy hornet]

not the upgrade itself, there's a secondary building that's just for aesthetic purposes that's made to be put on the halves of the main pumps that aren't covered by the upgrade

icon's a little blue house with a circle with a line through it

[radiant heart]

yeah, that one is shitty to put in place, it's a problem that popped up with the U4 of the game and apparently there is no fixing it

ram camera in and when you see a smidge of green you click, only real way to do it without wasting a lot of time

[radiant heart]

is WB included in it or i should save the spec file prior to the update?

[heavy lodge]

Is included. But, is incomplete. You should throw this in the specifications folder of Path Extension

[radiant heart]

probably just need to toss that in then, cauz mod looks up to date

[heavy lodge]

YA

[radiant heart]

anyway, that's gonna be a tommorow thing, ( actually today) time to hit the bed

[heavy lodge]

GN

[radiant heart]

later 👋

[shell fiber]

i'm back !

went to have lunch with a friend

[heavy lodge]

Knatte will release today a fix, so ....

[shell fiber]

didn't make so many changes today in the end, i played a bit on a map, turns out i didn't like it so much (terrain too irregular, just annoying to build on) so i just ditched it and started a new one again.

but i still uploaded my current version (hidden) for someone eager to get the balloon reciepes fixed 😉

[bronze ingot]

HI ! Can anyone tell me which building I need to have to make "grape juice"? (I have to make wine, I have everything I need, but he asks me for grape juice) I can't find it anywhere

[bronze ingot]

the screw press, can only make "grape pulp" 😦

[tawdry bronze]

Have not checked these 2 videos but could have some good info.
#🤖mod-creators message

[floral copper]

Hey guys, I'm on my first playtrough for this mod. Can someone explain how I can place the mine? 👀

[native maple]

Apparently, it has to be against a wall/cliffside that's at least two tiles high. Something like this

I'm confused on what building I would need to make in order to make anvils...

[floral copper]

Thx Danny, that clears it up 🙂

I think you need the Factory for the anvils

[native maple]

More than welcome. I'm on my first playthrough as well

[native maple]

do you know which factory in specific?

[floral copper]

This one:

[native maple]

I see. but then my question then changes to, "Is there any other building that makes them?". Because in order to make the Factory, you need a anvil and metal fasteners, which in order to make those, you need to make the Ironworks, which also needs a anvil to make the building.

[floral copper]

Do you know how to make explosives? I think the explosives factory is missing

Let me check for you

You can make this ironworks from the anvil that comes from the cart, which you have to destroy after building your district center

there is one anvil in the cart

[queen oyster]

Handicrafter lodge

[floral copper]

Thx Panda 🙂

[native maple]

The broken expedition cart has a anvil?

[floral copper]

Yes

[queen oyster]

Yes. You have to build a district center first

[native maple]

AAAAAHHH, i see it now

[floral copper]

It's in the rubble after you destroy it. Make a small warehouse and set it to explosives. You can use them after they have been brought to the warehouse

[native maple]

Thank you both for that information!!

[floral copper]

You're welcome 😉

[queen oyster]

Build a district center (it can't be connected to paths). Once it's built, destroy the cart. Then connect the district center

[floral copper]

Yes, if you don't build one first, you're fucked 😛

[native maple]

Fair enough!

[queen oyster]

Correct. Lol

[floral copper]

Panda, I have fermentation barrels to produce Kimchi, and storage tanks set to obtain it, yet still the barrels stay at 0% production. Can you think of any reason why they don't work?

[native maple]

That i found out after looking over everything for about 10 minutes

You have to make Lodges which makes one of the beavers in the house a hauler.

Then they can move the items to make Kimchi into the barrels

[floral copper]

Ok, but I seem to have those. And there are items in the barrels

[native maple]

In the picture, you're one Bramble flower short of it actually starting the fermentation

[floral copper]

Gotcha! I see that is true for all my barrels 🙂

[native maple]

then it auto makes the kimchi without any beavers needing to look at it

[floral copper]

Damn, 60% reduction in work speed and 20% reduction in movement is really something when you try to prevent everyone dying from hunger 😆

[native maple]

Rip

[floral copper]

[radiant heart]

something funky with the briges 🤣 not complaining, sure is fun beeing able to build it in before the platforms are there but i guess it's not "intended"

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber did you remove medecine from the med beds? ( now rest beds) like i can destroy the alchimist making the medecine and the tanks or there is some sort of hospital i can't find?

Also, just noticed, berries seem to be gone from the plantation options in 2.2.2, was that on purpose or a woopsie?

[shell fiber]

That's an unavoidable side effect of having the bridge occupy no space on their support. I don't know what happens if you save and load in that state though.

[shell fiber]

I think the hospital is in the village tab but maybe it would be better in wellbeing

[shell fiber]

The berries are a oopsie, it's fixed in the latest (2.2.3)

[shell fiber]

For once that punishment is not from me 😅

[shell fiber]

I really need to get that third video going 😅

And thanks everyone for helping each other. I'm in Japan so when most people are active it's the middle of the night for me.

[queen oyster]

Aight, y'all. What building(s) do i need for the bachelor's in mycology so i can finish my shroom farm? I've been looking for 2 days and can't seem to figure it out.

[shell fiber]

oh, sorry, it's made in the "ENS" which is a very large end-game building in the science tab

provided that your mod is up to date of course

[tawdry bronze]

maybe need a flow chart for all resources and buildings

[radiant heart]

tried, it stays there 😉

[shell fiber]

actually i have

but it might be a huge mess

if i omit a few things though it might be readable

just need to update it

[radiant heart]

you mean 2.2.3 is up? need to work

[floral copper]

Morning guys, can someone tell me how I'm supposed to build upwards if I cannot place platforms on other platforms? 😛 also how do you produce the scaffolding thing for the platforms?

[shell fiber]

actually i just uploaded 2.2.4

[shell fiber]

scaffolding is made in the artchitect's lodge (science tab)

you cannot stack platforms but you can stack houses and warehouses 🙂

and there is some side platforms things too

[heavy lodge]

or, you can use District Management mod and, extend the beaver arms 🤣

[floral copper]

Lol that sounds really attractive now xD

Little bit of cheating though 😇

[radiant heart]

still not updating with a press of "update"

2-tall storage worked tho

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , will have some fun now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsPg01oxXTU 😮

[radiant heart]

no spoilers plz, had to stop mid vid for a meeting 😉

[shell fiber]

oh, one hour

hmm...

i want to watch it but i have to get up early tomorrow 😅

[heavy lodge]

It's first try, I guess 🤣

[radiant heart]

Might wanna drop in the nursing liscence in the copy shack, i get it for the giant foundry it will probably not need many but the hospital, that one could require a few and a whole 500h for going over 3 feels a bit excessive

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , take a look into video at 19.19 ! I understand French, but, others, don't 🤣

[radiant heart]

feels better in the wellbeeing since the med beds were there too, feels more natural

[abstract egret]

@shell fiber Hello, good evening. Say all your benches. Could it be possible to have one bench that is a so called 'look at the clouds' bench and the beaver sitting there is musing about the world and gains 1 science per x time? Science is currently rather late game.

[radiant heart]

once you destroyed your kart science is available, need to grab the book from the rubbles and build the librairy 😉

kinda is the point where you move from "early game" to "mid game"

[abstract egret]

yes, I learned that from some nice person who recently made a video about this ^^

I really like the wagon style district center

[radiant heart]

same, i usually last as long as possible before deleting it

[shell fiber]

i really need to go to sleep, but i'll read you all tomorrow, promise !

gn !

[radiant heart]

GN !

[abstract egret]

you have a good night

[shell fiber]

thx !

[radiant heart]

Just an idea, the way it displays in the well-beeing menu, how about swapping "filth" for "clean fur" or something like that ?

[storm gulch]

I see you found my video

Reading through some of this thread has been very helpful so thank you to everyone who posts in here

[heavy lodge]

And, I replay into your video about recovering stuffs from broken cart ...

[abstract egret]

Am I blind? Which building produces dynamite?

[radiant heart]

the crafter lodge if i'm not mistaking, but you also need to make the nitroglycerin in the alchimist

[abstract egret]

thank you

[radiant heart]

yw

[kind spire]

What is this wizardry?

[floral copper]

@shell fiber I vote for the restore of platform functions. Building against mountains kinda sucks when you can't use platforms 😦

[native maple]

So, I have a question regarding the order of what to use the first anvil you get from the Broken Expedition Cart. I was attempting to build the Primitive Ironwork building to make Metal Fasteners, and the building requires 10 clay, 4 logs, and 1 anvil. After learning about a anvil being in the cart yesterday, it did solve the issue of obtaining one, however, after looking at the Factory building to make it as well, it not only required a anvil of its own, it also required 25 Metal Fasteners, which to my knowledge so far, is only obtainable through the Ironworks, which needs a anvil too. Am I missing a building/factory that would make a alternative recipe for Metal Fasteners besides the Ironworks?

Or is there another building/factory that makes anvils besides the Factory?

[floral copper]

I see why that would be an issue. Does it help if you build the metal fasteners with the ironworks and then destroy it? Does it give an anvil in the rubble when you destroy the ironworks?

[native maple]

I'll test that out

[native maple]

It does return the anvil once the building is demolished.

[floral copper]

Great 🙂

[native maple]

I guess you just use the anvil for the fasteners until you're ready to make the factory?

[queen oyster]

gotchya. seems a bit much just to build a shroom farm, but thank you

also i still cant figure out how to collect sunflower oil

[radiant heart]

you need to stock up on fastener, destroy the primitive, make the factory to make an anvil and then rebuild the primitive iron work

[radiant heart]

yes

[radiant heart]

press is using sunflowers to make oil, need a ton tho cause beavers are gonna eat them before you can press the oil

[radiant heart]

you got a shroom maker in the lower tier buildings that is gonna make some and doesn't serve as a house, the shroom farm is the watertight edition of that and also serves as a house

it's actually one of the first food source early game beside the farms

[queen oyster]

ywah i thought i had built one but it turns out i was wrong

[radiant heart]

happens to the best of us, no worries, been playing that faction for so long actually i'd be lost trying to go IT or FT since buildings are not watertight, my whole shit would be drowned in no time 🤣

[shell fiber]

I modified the 3d model of the ruins and put an inside-out barrel with the dirt material to make the hole. The terrain is removed by the "terrain cutout" script 😉

Then it's just a matter of swapping the item call in the map editor prefab list specification

[shell fiber]

That's for my future deep mine exploration facility

[shell fiber]

Building on mountainous maps is really hard I agree, but I really dislike infinite stackability without constraints. I'm sure you can manage your way stacking small warehouses, pit warehouses etc.
But try to keep them actually connected 😉

[shell fiber]

In normal mode the game always returns I think 66%-75% of building costs, and always rounds up so your anvils, chemistry sets and other core items should never be destroyed.

[shell fiber]

The shroom farm you're trying to build is an endgame building, it's a watertight building that can feed more than its population so it is extremely efficient to build huge dams, that's why it needs a diploma 😉

[radiant heart]

there is some echo in the house today 🤣 basicaly what i replied with a diffrent wording 😝

and gonna be my turn to call the GN, happy tho made it to that monster volcano project !

[boreal pasture]

Hi, I'm sorry if I've asked something already answered, I tried looking but didn't find anything helpful.
Basically, I can't get WBO to become a Faction option at New Game no matter what I do. I've ensured all dependency mods are installed, I've uninstalled every OTHER mod that's not on the dependency list, I've uninstalled and reinstalled the game, I've uninstalled all mods and reinstalled from scratch... nothing. Everything's up to date (game, mods) and I can't really think of what else to do. I know I have to be overlooking something, I just can't think of what.
Anyone able to assist? 😅

[heavy lodge]

Play with FT to achive level 1 and will unlock WB

[boreal pasture]

Oh, so by uninstalling and reinstalling the game I've reset my progress there? I'll try that, thank you!

[heavy lodge]

No, you need to unlock WB. Since this mod was installed just now, you need to play a short game with FT to unlock...

[boreal pasture]

Thank you so much, that wasn't explained in the mod description so I was really confused. Appreciate the help!

[shell fiber]

Well that was written in the green ribbon on the folktail need game miniature 😅

But no worries 👍

[shell fiber]

Nice !
You know that small flywheels quickly eat up their stored power right ?

[boreal pasture]

I'm sorry, I don't see that anywhere. I tried looking, I promise, but if you say it's there then I must just be missing it somehow. 🙏

[shell fiber]

Do you see the white Beaver guy in third position in the new game menu ?

[boreal pasture]

No, he's not there. 😔 Also I got my FT to Happiness 4 and still don't see it (I assume that Todor Alin saying "Level 1" it meant Happiness level? Or maybe I misunderstood)

[shell fiber]

Oh I see, no you probably are missing something, that's why

We need to check your mod list

[heavy lodge]

It's happiness. But, how do you installed the mod ? Manual or with ModManager ?

[boreal pasture]

I installed manually since I saw the warning about it on the mod page.

[heavy lodge]

Do you see in the game menu ModManager button ?

[shell fiber]

Wait why is there a "assets" and "Lang" folder in there ? Maybe you put them in the wrong parent folder

[boreal pasture]

Yes, I just sent the file list because it was more compact than trying to screenshot the mod manager install list.

[heavy lodge]

If YES, delete all folders except ModManager and download the mod again using ModManager

[boreal pasture]

I did that earlier.,

[shell fiber]

No wait a sec

What is the folder we're looking at right now ?

[boreal pasture]

BepInEx/plugins

[shell fiber]

Uuhhh that's odd

[heavy lodge]

delete manifest.json file and folders assets and lang. After that, if WB won't apear, drag and drop here the LogOutput.log file from BeepinEX folder.

[boreal pasture]

The Assets folder contains a file for the Mod Manager plugin; I don't know if that's a good idea.

[heavy lodge]

Picture of the ModManager folder ....

[shell fiber]

I'm not at home so it's hard for me to tell right now

[shell fiber]

Other mods should be next to the mod manager mod folder in the plugins folder, was that the case ? 🤔

[boreal pasture]

yep; and I tried deleting the files that Todor suggested and still didn't see the WB guy.

[shell fiber]

Did your modmanager works by any chance ?

Do you have the button in the main screen ?

[boreal pasture]

Yeah it seems to work just fine; I've modded the game many times over the past few years and never had an issue with it.

... wait why does it say modmanager isn't installed...

[shell fiber]

And you did manual download ?

[boreal pasture]

of WBO, yes I did

[shell fiber]

No that's normal

Hmm... This is weird, there's something we're missing🤔

[heavy lodge]

@boreal pasture , if you can accept my aufull english and can make a live, come to beaver-noises channel.

[shell fiber]

Il go back to work, I'll come back later

Good luck

But no worries we'll get this to work

[boreal pasture]

Okay, sorry to bother you at work, thank you for your assistance 💜

[boreal pasture]

@heavy lodge helped me out and it seems to be working! ❤️ Looks like it was just a faulty install via the ModManager, probably I clicked something too quickly and it didn't work right. Sorry for the hassle, and thank you both so much for your help. 🙏

[shell fiber]

Oh good 👍

[kind spire]

You can do that with a specification??? 😮

[shell fiber]

Yeah sure

I don't guarantee you can swap anything with anything though

[kind spire]

I just find it endlessly wonderful how much you can do with just specs

[heavy lodge]

Maybe you can make a mod so other faction can have this mine . Guess will make a lot of players happy , me included. And, you can change your name to "Water beaver magic" 🤣

[shell fiber]

but it's just visual, there's nothing actually changed 🤔

[heavy lodge]

For visual, of course, look so cool 😍

[radiant heart]

something is meesed up could it be the logs in the back of the Wine cellar blocking the voxel behind? 🤔

[shell fiber]

yep, i had the wrong values 😅

time to sleep, good night !

[radiant heart]

and the path under bridge thing is still not working, is it fixable tho?

GN

[tawdry bronze]

@shell fiber probobly missing the generate floor check box tick

[native maple]

Thank you for the clarification

[radiant heart]

Something is up with the scrolll racks for the hydroponic farm, ot doesn't see the storage, others that i made up to now are working, only this one got something wrong****

[shell fiber]

Try to store it in a different scroll rack in the library 🤔
Might be an access issue

Or is your artist paused / doing something else ?

[shell fiber]

Though I fixed that 🤔

[radiant heart]

well, not sure what happenned but forgot about it and now the scroll rack if fulll🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

Oh well 😅

Good

Because I don't want to touch the scroll rack and library ever again 😅

[radiant heart]

looks like medecine is not transfered to the general ward, suply upstairs is dry but downstairs it's loaded

[shell fiber]

Oh I probably forgot that one script

The med beds supply is specifically handled by the building producing it for some reason

Well I have material for an other update I guess 😅

Yesterday I wasted my time playing that planet drilling game RCE showcased

So I didn't mod anything

It's pretty fun though, albeit very dumb 😅

[radiant heart]

didn't watch that one, been catching up on OOT triforce blitz tournament, missed quite a few

[radiant heart]

I need a treb for grap mush 🤣

at that point i'm making warehouse, deleting them, delete the rubbles and repeat

[shell fiber]

oh yeah right

turns out i had forgot to fix the 6-long bridge, i thought i had though

[shell fiber]

i spend too much time on this 😅

[arctic olive]

WHen do we get dynamic images for user input

[shell fiber]

that would require code wouldn't it ? 😅

[arctic olive]

Maybe

[shell fiber]

dear god, a script that just takes one image and generate the entire building would be great 😆

[arctic olive]

The image is just a sprite with the same board ?

[shell fiber]

but to be fair for my purposes i already did the work so here goes the benefit 😅

well i need to load the image in a material, then make a new prefab and slap it on the board, define the entry keys

also give it to the factions in the specifications etc.

but to be honest, making the image is most of the work

[arctic olive]

Define entry keys ?

[shell fiber]

the name of the thing as it will appear in the build menu

[arctic olive]

I see

[shell fiber]

i suppose with code you can just make one template, then have a script that just duplicates it and ctrl-H all occurences of "template" for let's say the name of the image you're trying to feed it

[arctic olive]

What would be better.

• Placing a board (empty)
• Clicking on board
• Click on button
• Select an image from a popup

or

• Have 40 buildings in tool groups

[shell fiber]

oh definitely the first one

i litterally have 40 billboards i think 😆

[arctic olive]

That would be not too hard to make, except for the UI.... ALWAYS THE UI..

Maybe a dumb scrollable list with just showing the image might now be too hard to make

Maybe @kind spire wants to code it as a small challenge , does not seem too hard.

• Create a BillBoard BaseComponent (Step could be skipped if all done in fragment)
  • to set the image in the billboard
• Create fragment on Billboards with a button to change image
  • Create Panel to show list of images
  • Load images from specification
  • On save place the material or texture in the correct prefab thingy
• Retrieve image from a single use specification like BillBoardSpecification.json
  • Just a list of links to materials or textures, like lapan/billboards/anime-weeb

,-, maybe it's alot of work

But if done once, INFINITY IMAGES

[radiant heart]

Maybe image could be linked to a receipe to change it? so let's say the Help billboards coulld all be in one with the image changing. Is that the idea or i'm not understanding correctly?

[kind spire]

Well well, I'd be up for that!

Oh, BTW @shell fiber I built a system for adding smoke particles that react to the in-game wind if you were interested in using that somewhere? 😉

[arctic olive]

He is getting fancy, shaders ?

[kind spire]

He gettin FENCY!

Nah no luck with shaders so far I'm afraid - it's using particle system and particle forcefield

then it just needs a quick bit of trig, and bam

[arctic olive]

[radiant heart]

Scavenger doesn't feel like getting the log from the giant sequoia 😉

[shell fiber]

oh, damn ! that's amazing !

[shell fiber]

just to be clear, it's cut by the sequoia feller 🙂

[radiant heart]

not the giant log, the regular ones you get weekly

in the description it says picked up by gatherer flag

[heavy lodge]

It means that now can have clouds ? (A big particle up in the sky affected by the wind) 😮

[shell fiber]

oh, right ! it's not functionnal yet

[shell fiber]

yeah that would be nice 🙂

[radiant heart]

And didn't bother with picking up the giant logs since no building requires it yet

[kind spire]

I hadn't thought of that, but yes!

[shell fiber]

I'll give it to the tapper's flag for now

[shell fiber]

fair enough

by the way, what do you think is best ? a heavy sawmill that can cut it down to planks / logs or just an other reciepe for the sawmill ?

[radiant heart]

Is the tier 3 sawmill close on your list? got like 6 gnawing stations 3 mills and can't produce fast enough for my expension project 😆

[shell fiber]

ah wait no, there would be an issue with the fuel part

[radiant heart]

Heavy sawmill, log is to big to fit the actual one 😉

[shell fiber]

yes

semms like a plan

[radiant heart]

something Heavy foundry size or just a tad smaller

(actually making a second of those so yeah copy BPs would be cool 😉 )

[shell fiber]

plus i have this placeholders for steel sawblades and even a neat 3D model of it 🙂

[shell fiber]

you can't copy diplomas 😅
i mean you can but... you know

and the headmaster can't be at two places at once, guess you'll have to train another one !

[radiant heart]

got to ENS now 🤣 so 2 headmaster i suppose

gear production is not up to my needs, starting to set up for bots

[shell fiber]

this guy is insane

oh, well bots will be changed soon

"soon"

[radiant heart]

guess when they change that' will be then end of that run or maybe sooner, fps atarting to drop a lot

[shell fiber]

didn't you wonder what were those very weird ressources you get from the balloons ? 🤐

[radiant heart]

didn't wonder, but really curious to see how it shapes up

hooman meat got me concerned a bit i gotta admit

[shell fiber]

well i wanted the bots to be ungodly abominations 🤐

[radiant heart]

already the skin is nightmare fuel...

[heavy lodge]

Then ears and red tail 👹

[shell fiber]

third video tutorial uploaded 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H11IPKtxCX0

[abstract egret]

I've been playing around with this mod now for a few days. A lot of maps don't work well without floodgates. Often you have a one tile gap between waterproof houses and rock, or need to reroute water depending on season, then you need to break your damn dam.
How do you guys deal with this emotional beaver trauma?

[native maple]

i think it would kinda help if there was a one-tile dam rather than starting on two. but i haven't played that far in the mod/not using a map that would make the need for rerouting water that much of a necessity

[shell fiber]

The utility dam upgrade acts as a floodgate of you need to

[abstract egret]

jaaaa....no ^^

[shell fiber]

You can build one less house on the dam and build a3 wide dam no ? Plus I recently made a narrow tall damhouse to help with that

[shell fiber]

No ? It's there an issue with it ?

[abstract egret]

Well, the utility dam can't be used in all situations.

[shell fiber]

Ah I see.
You can probably place a log levee or a tall log levee on this tiny gap. Might need to bow up a terrain block or two though

[abstract egret]

It's not a tiny gap. The dam is 3x3 in size. I can't place it on top of the previous damns as these are already double hight. it doesn't work. The damn glitches out into the mountain side, that is what the picture shows.
So basically the game limits the total damn height to max 3? At least that's what I experience.

This place in the river was a place where I had enough space for such a dam.

take for example this situation:

[shell fiber]

With this kind of dam you're limited to. 2 high actually. Most of the time you're really expected to build your dam out of houses

[abstract egret]

So, I use the houses as damns as you intended. in the front you see a dam, and at the bottom of the picture, just outside the frame, are more houses and another damn. Depending on the season I need to controll the water flow. Which is of course not really possible, since the damns are limited in functionality

[shell fiber]

That's a weird system you have here 🤣
It looks really nice though

[abstract egret]

oh, and is it true that you can'T plant berries

XD thanks

You should see the long Channel

[shell fiber]

Yeah I can see you made a long tentacle to irrigate some land

[abstract egret]

which key combination lets me hide the UI again?

[shell fiber]

That's not really a layout I though about but it's interesting

[shell fiber]

No idea

[abstract egret]

strg+h

[shell fiber]

So basically you want to fill the channel with 1 height of water then block it in by raising the floodgate right ?

[abstract egret]

yeah

I can fill it with 1 height of water, but then I flood the rest of the map. because the height of other places limit my options. I think the idea of beaver dam-houses is just awesome, but you limit the options because of the offered damn widths.

[shell fiber]

Holy crap I never saw anyone use that many storage houses 😅
I guess that means they are balanced somewhat correctly

[abstract egret]

And, if you allow me...a personal questions...why do you hate windmills XD

these storage houses are pretty nmeat, they are 3 long but only 2 wide.

but they are also very empty....I somehow forgot the beavers need more than love and water...

[shell fiber]

So you're having trouble setting up a proper floodgate on that part with the sad face upstream right ?

[abstract egret]

well yes, there but also at the tentacle inlet.

[shell fiber]

Well I want to force people to use waterwheels, and I felt they were ridiculously overpowered, like how can you extract 400hp from this tiny crap and barely a breeze ? It just feels so wrong.

[abstract egret]

I already have an idea for another strategy. I will try to place the houses in such a way that I encircle farmland, and flood the whole outside.

windmills are beaver magic XD

you gotta believe in green energy

(the waterwheels won't work on hard mode wiht long draughts)

Well, 01:00 o' clock, That explains why I ran out of ideas. I'll try again tomorrow. You have a very good night lapantouflemagic

[shell fiber]

Yes but that's because hard mode is trash 💩

(sorry I really dislike how it is set up)

[abstract egret]

XD I like it, it is challenging.

[shell fiber]

It's morning for me 😉
Good night !

[shell fiber]

The first 30 min- 2hours maybe, but then it's just the waiting game.
This mod should be hard enough as it is, my recommendation is to choose a hard map rather than use hard mode

[abstract egret]

True. The challenge with your mod is not the hard mode. It's the balancing.

different playstyle.

[shell fiber]

But the drawback is that they have almost zero functionality in themselves 😉

[radiant heart]

Wonder with the new early game balance how insane it's gonna be on hard mode... some da=y it will happen for sure but enjoying a bit too much the new cool late game stuff for now

[abstract egret]

which early game balance?

[radiant heart]

there was a lot, think the first version I played didn't even have a 1 in front

[shell fiber]

Probably the parts when I added clay and stuff

[radiant heart]

tapper flag doesn't look like much but is quite a game changer early on

[shell fiber]

Yeah, but it makes things easier right ?

[abstract egret]

ja, learned that the hard way

[shell fiber]

Oh and also filth

[radiant heart]

it's about the only thing you made easier actually 🤣

[abstract egret]

LOL, one day ALL my beavers were filthy, and I stopped ALL jobs and put everyone in building to finish the river bath

it was like day 11 or so... that was a close one

ok, gn8 you two. or good morning : )

[radiant heart]

don't remember if I said it or only tought about it but the way it displays in well-beeing, i'd change the name of the buff for "clean fur" or something like that, might be a bit more clear for players

[queen oyster]

Are higher elevation windmills better? Bc the 3 meter ones don't do shit

[radiant heart]

yes, they improve but even the 12 one is... mhee, focus for power should be on wheels

even the hamster wheels are better ( wonder if @shell fiber made it so it improves with walking speed just like it is now in vanilla game 🤔

[shell fiber]

It does ? If so probably too with mine

[radiant heart]

yeah it's a thing from U4, basic output is 50hp and if the well-beeing gives a walking buf it's the same on power output, let's say a 25% walking speed bonus would give 62.5hp instead of 50 or something like that, not sure if it's directly applied, never really paid attention

[radiant heart]

got an issue, don't have a freezer to put my ice cubes from the polar beavers, hope they don't melt before the FT receives them 😉

[shell fiber]

Ah yes, I'll probably just unearth the folktails buried storage because anything that would look like it would keep cold would also look like it is watertight.

But I'm also considering making the deep mine thing have lots of modules. It's 5x5 so I could easily fit with up to 18 different 1x1 modules

[abstract egret]

Good evening all, the scroll holder for the library, how do you attach the road to it?

[radiant heart]

they have to be built in the librairy on the walls

[abstract egret]

I did build one, there are designated spaces for it, but it is not connected to the road, but I can't build a road inside t he library

[radiant heart]

the "road inside" is part of the building, you should see the paths inside the librairy

@shell fiber now billboard also doesn't update, need to delete and reinstall 🤔

[static glacier]

i am back at this mod after i think half a year and my first run almost ended because of filth XD lucky me, the newly grown up kits where willing to build for me

[radiant heart]

is you don't have baths or showers, just a stair down to the river can save you, it's slow but they will go walk in there and it removes filt slowly

[static glacier]

they build a bath for me, i am saved XD

now the bath dried up (small building mistake with the damms) and i have a stair into the river and they wont go in. I would have to rely on sheer luck that they "bathe" in it

[queen oyster]

It's counterintuitive. It won't always look like it's connected. Just pick a spot and rotate until the dialogue box about entrance being blocked vanishes.

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber something broke the connection to lodges in the latests release

looks like it's all the "Two-story" that broke, door up or down, left or right

and for some obscur reason door changed side on the ones with door on the ground lvl

[queen oyster]

Personally i find the blueprints to be an unnecessary complication on top of the already insane level of complexity in this mod

Especially considering they're not even needed in all cases and the process doesn't make sense.
Mechanic and/or architect make a print, the print goes to the artist lodge to get a fancy print, but then the copist lodge takes a fancy print and makes it a regular print again? What's the logic in that?

[radiant heart]

it's the only way to avoid making the BP in the architect/mecanic lodge and wait the whole 300h everytimes you want to make one

game does not let you simply copy the BP in it's mecanics so the "fancy/normal" thing came up

[queen oyster]

So shorten the time required?
Some of these requirements are ridiculous like 1000 dirt per terrain block and there's no excavator equivalent to get dirt quickly.
Everything in this mod seems to take 18x longer than would be even halfway reasonable. I don't understand.

300h to make a blueprint is insane

[radiant heart]

lapantoufle didn't even want to put terraforming in so it's better then nothing i guess, sure i slong but with 2 mega drills i don't run out of diirt and it's advancing

[radiant heart]

Bots are back to FT skin BTW, gonna be easier to sleep tonight i guess 🤣

[shell fiber]

Having kids fix the parents mistakes, bad beavers 😅

[shell fiber]

Disregard the arrow for the scroll racks and just place it so that it fits visually on the wall. It's weird but should work

[static glacier]

yeah... but they are doing okay now XD i must say this mod has gotten a lot harder and more managable at the same time XD

[shell fiber]

But how do you determine whats too slow what's too fast and what's unnecessary ? It's like taking factorio and saying the rocket should be builable with steel plates crude oils and green electronics.

I think it makes sense to have some guy work for a couple of weeks on designing something complicated that makes your life easier. When I play the 300 hours are never an issue for me because I have so many other things to deal with.

I could go the direction you want but if the blueprints are quick to make then I can remove the artist and copist, and then the expensive cost is pointless to let's just remove blueprints entirely and just unlock things with science and we're back on the boring system where you build the "science thing" and forget about it forever and everything is basically unlocked it you let the game run in background for two hours.

I understand your point but design-vise that's not the kind of game I like. I want the game to have multiple small steps of progression, like setting up some proper paper mill so you can stop having to wait hours to make just pencils and dynamite, then a factory because you need a second anvil to make more sawblades, but that calls for a bigger mine etc. It goes in all directions and everything is tangled together which is more interesting.
At least to me

[shell fiber]

Actually now that I have put waste rocks I could remove dirt entirely 🤔

[radiant heart]

rock could still be used for terraforming with clay and wood i guess but spending that would not give the science from the treb price of the terraforming patch would have to be a bit more descent 😉

and need dirt for mudbath so ....

maybe 2 forms of terrain blocks ? 🤔

the one with rock and clay beeing faster a bit, like a tier 2

[shell fiber]

I think near the end I want to make some mortar or concrete by calcinating seashells

[radiant heart]

concrete is more of a dirt/rock mix

that not connected buildings cutting like 42 beds is devastating my town 😆

[radiant heart]

Actually the floor ones are messed up a tas more then i tought, the "entrance" is on a side but the visual door on the other

actually looks like all double story lodges the "entrance" moved down to bottom right not giving a F about where the door is

saved a few haulers by remaking some paths but the rest are dead untill it's fixed, the actual voxel entrance is behind a pump pipe

[radiant heart]

Fun fact, don't need the cradle to be built for the beavers to plant the sequoia 😅

[distant wigeon]

That's a lotta sap

[shell fiber]

What the f... It's going on, I just added the fake floors and the damn things exploded 🤔

[shell fiber]

Oh I see what I did wrong. I copied the block object for the fake floors but forgot this contained also the door location

[shell fiber]

I might be late on making some visuals 😅

[abstract egret]

Good Morning /afternoon / evening Does the balloon actually take off?

[abstract egret]

Can berries really not be planted?

[shell fiber]

Oh btw previous version should not have this issue

[shell fiber]

Not until you reach the tree nursery (requires exotic seeds which requires a balloon which requires the blueprint from the architect)

[abstract egret]

Aaahhh, yes, I'm not there yet.

[static glacier]

to build the iron factory i really have to destroy the ironworks right? That kinda hurts XD but okay, i get the logic behind the one anvil thing

[shell fiber]

I didn't really touch anything regarding bots yet, vanilla stuff likely doesn't make sense

But recipes will just ignore resources that don't exist with this faction so effectively that's free I guess

[abstract egret]

Ja, I'm currently testing the logic of the game design. I agree that it can go. Simply because you've got an armada of haulers anyway.

Spadderdock is available

[shell fiber]

Oh there will be bots of sorts, they simply won't be made of sugar spices and everything nice (I did consider making the recipe exactly that though 😅)

[abstract egret]

The question is, what type of faction is it, what is the core culture? Waterbeavers are about trade. Is there a bot, or actually any other artificial entity that can act as bot, but also fits the trader design?

I would say, you can include pumpkins as heads for design purposes, bamboo as legs and barrels as body, Circuits can be made from all those artists.

[static glacier]

How do i get the "gatherer" to collect the dirt from the decorative plants. I figured out the correct flag but it says no work nearby

[static glacier]

also why? the normal pumps beneath work just fine

[shell fiber]

oh, sorry decorative plants are just decorative, they can't actually be collected

[shell fiber]

that is a very weird thing that i really do not understand myself and for whatever microscopic amount i get, there's no fixing it.
that said the buildings should stop being flooded if you completely get the floor z-level dry behing them,(next drought) or you can just save and reload, and they should be no longer flooded.

[shell fiber]

update now uploading 🙂

[abstract egret]

How do you change the colours of things? Do you need a special program to be modding? Or can you just open the file and fumble around with it? I checjed my installation, but don't recognize the file types

[shell fiber]

each building is a different file in unity, you need that to poke at it. but i don't really "change" the color of existing building, i just make a duplicate of an existing one that i can modify as i want, then load it up.

gotta go to bed !

GN !

[abstract egret]

Gn8 : )

[radiant heart]

Yeah fuel is quite free for now !

[radiant heart]

It's nice to replace those haulers by bots actually what i've started on my curent run

[abstract egret]

My problem is, I would like to pause the haulers, but if you pause the houses, the poor beavers do not only lose their jobs they even get evicted! THEY TAKE THEIR JOBS AND HOMES! 😭 😱

[radiant heart]

Make them at the lower priority then?

[radiant heart]

still need delete and reload

[abstract egret]

Ja, it was lowest priority at the beginning, now I've got 70 unemployed beavers anyway

are beavers getting happy or unhappy when unemployed?

[heavy lodge]

Happy, since will have more time for fun

[radiant heart]

ultimalty you need working hours really low to cap well-beeing

[abstract egret]

Ah, right. I always let them work like 8 or 9 hours, everything more will cause more accidents.

[radiant heart]

thing also is walking distance, first i try and swap haulers and builders to bots , with optimized house they live close to the job so it helps a ton too, my days are at 18h early game, dropped to 15 recently and will keep dropping as more robots pop up

[radiant heart]

Sadly Pinkertown XII about to reach an end, those beavers don't need the great white pointer in the sky anymore, they have a 500 colony in the depth of "Gentle Canyon" and can live a happy life

( yes i will try to build a freezer before moving on but that's about it, went way further then i tought i would on that one )

[shell fiber]

That's a pretty nice city 😊
What's going on with the balloons ? They just happen to be there when you took the screenshot or the animation is not looping correctly ?

Only one district ?

And I can see the trebuchets are in the correct orientation 😅

Thankfully the rock according to my calculations should fall a good 190m away
Or double that, I fed the Initial angle and velocity to chatGPT because I was lazy, but I feel there's a factor 2 missing somewhere

[shell fiber]

By the way, how about I upload that on the mod.io page ? 😉

Oh you didn't finish your sequoia cradles you monster 😅

[radiant heart]

be my guess 😉

[radiant heart]

they happenned to be there, seen them moving a few times

[radiant heart]

yes only one district, feels tho this is the maximum size map to be decent on only one district, bigger then taht will require 2 minimum

[radiant heart]

there was a 3rd one by the balloons but removed it, there are 2 more ballon things beeing built, wanna try that "freezer storage" and a few other dumb stuff before calling it quits for good

[radiant heart]

they are on the way but built a gazillion crappy platforms to connect power from both ends of the maps so having a little log shortage atm

[shell fiber]

send me some screenshots when it will be fully complete 🙂

[shell fiber]

oh by the way, i have a tiny issue with the bots

i probably can't have them look the way i want

which is a problem

because if they don't look like dark abominations escaped from the dephts of hell... well they're rather pointless aren't them ?

[radiant heart]

you had a skin on a previous version, what happenned to it ?

[shell fiber]

That was in update 3

Now there is some things changed. Modding bot properties seem easy enough but the visuals are called through meshy and I think no one understands it yet

Maybe I can summon him for a sec 😅

@tawdry bronze any progress on the meshy issue ?

[radiant heart]

i'll pretend i understand what you're taking about 🤣

[shell fiber]

I tried to load up the version3 bot in the game but there's some bugs that I don't quite understand

[shell fiber]

Basically it's a script that allow items to call a visual. So effectively all game building have one object that contains the scripts and behaviours and such, but for the visual they all tap in one single memory cell. At least that's how I understand it.
In theory I could just make it call my visuals but somehow it doesn't work, not for me not for anyone.

Anyway, GN!

[radiant heart]

GN

[queen oyster]

Started a new iron teeth colony. Suddenly i don't have an option to plant berry bushes. Is this a known glitch caused by the white paws mod?

[heavy lodge]

Guess that you must remove the WB mod

[radiant heart]

playing other factions with the WB mod active will be a total mess

[queen oyster]

Is there an easy way to disable mods other than moving the files?

[radiant heart]

in the mod manager you can disable it

[queen oyster]

What mod manager?

[radiant heart]

mod manaager is a mod that makes an icon in the main menu of the game to maange the mods

[queen oyster]

Oh gotcha. I'll have to find that

[tawdry bronze]

nope none

[radiant heart]

do you want the actual save file so you can get all the screen shots you want?

[radiant heart]

spadderdock consumption is a tad intense ... i'd say make it produce 4 or tone down the cycle to 10 days would be a bit more balanced, actually both at the same time might still not be enough.

That whole field geting turned to spader dock and if my maths are right it will barely be enough

[radiant heart]

Mmmm, looks like waterpumps upgrades are leaking..

might also be the cause of the "staying flooded issue"

[radiant heart]

Forgot to mention, pumpkin chips is a super cool food thing! Would be nice tho to have a « better food » that uses salt and basic crops… since salt is trier one and the cocking tent also. Thought about rosted salty sunflower seeds, WB need so much, having something to buff it up a bit would be cool

[mellow dawn]

hey can i ask about how to get dirt in this mod ?

[shell fiber]

if you want to do terraforming, it's really extremely limited (i didn't even want it in the mod actually), dirt is only made as a byproduct by a quite advanced building (the mechanical drills in 'industry' tab)

[shell fiber]

the waterpump + upgrade is only 2 high in terms of watertightness

aren't you above that ?

[shell fiber]

what do you use it for ?

[shell fiber]

i definitely have my priorities straight 🧐

[radiant heart]

methane, deluxe stew and whatever else i can't remember it's required for

[radiant heart]

nope, could drop in a gauge to be sure but quite sure it's not too high, feels like the caucking between the pump and the upgrade is worn down and need some work

[radiant heart]

that looks cool, but what is it?

[radiant heart]

How do you get rid of dirt appart from terraforming? 🤔

[shell fiber]

That the issue, I put terraforming back in as a way to get rid of dirt. But I might get rid of it entirety and the drill will just make rock

[radiant heart]

terraforming is nice to have, need an option if you do a woopsy with dynamite 😉

[shell fiber]

Or I can toss it out with the trébuchet

[radiant heart]

that too, cauz now i'm stalling since dirt is accumulating, the "build pile, destroy rebuild and rince and repaet is not a fun option

[shell fiber]

Oh wait the endgame mushroom farm is consuming dirt right ?

[radiant heart]

yeah but 5 per 64h, and don't really need it...

[shell fiber]

Hmm

[radiant heart]

the basic shroom farm is enough if you build many and they look great so...

need a little dirt for the mudbath too

btw, finally finished the sequois craddles 😉

to be fair didn't cut them before the craddle were done but anyway got nothing to build with the giant logs yet so...

more af a that's cool i did it then an actual need

Ready for the final blast of spadderdock land, just need the drought to end or i'll kill everything i got planted already

Not at a powerpoint mode yet but my computer doesn't like 3x speed now 😅

And , yes balloons are flying !

[radiant heart]

BTW regular logs not getting harvested from the sequoia, not sure if it's supposed to be in, just letting you know 😉

[shell fiber]

the very definition of necessity 😊

good night !

(i also have a bunch of small changes in my hood)

[abstract egret]

Hi, Good Morning, which map is this?

[radiant heart]

Gentle Canyon

[shell fiber]

Good map

[radiant heart]

does that mean screws, anvils chemestry set and drill bits are getting a personalized storage system?

[shell fiber]

Yeah 😉
I also want to do a few others too (cauldrons, library set) but that is very time consuming

[radiant heart]

well, that's gonna be the run killer on that one i guess then !

[shell fiber]

Why ?

It's not actually changing the game much

[radiant heart]

space is cramped up a lot and don't really wanna redo all the storage managment, anyway it's quite far and don't really have projects left

[shell fiber]

Oh okay

On Pinkertown XII ? 😅

[radiant heart]

yeah, lol

[shell fiber]

(nice name btw 😊)

I think I'm also going to remove bots entirely for the time being until I decide what to do actually with them

[radiant heart]

is the giga drill going bye bye or only the bits?

[shell fiber]

Oh *bots

Not bits

[radiant heart]

lol

getting to cycle 74, don't think i've haad one going that long yet

601 beavers and 122 bots

and my stoopid big spadderdock plantation is still not enough 😆

BTW farm got a little watertitghness isue

[shell fiber]

Ahah, that's literally the last thing I fixed yesterday evening 😉

[shell fiber]

I'll need to look at your save on details to see what eating too much

[radiant heart]

it'S methane and deluxe stew only right? or there is something else? 🤔

got 2 alchimist few barrels and methane production doesn't keep up

[shell fiber]

Oh btw I gave rice to the small farm and spadderdock to the large farmhouse, and the fried rice recipe to the cooking tent.

This way water can be exploited for food production much earlier, and spadderdock is not really usable before you're in a situation to make blueprints anyway

[radiant heart]

sounds great

those 2 big boys sure are eating a ton

[shell fiber]

Who would have thought 😅

But in a way it's okay, it's good that resource use would push you to extend your city and cultivate more land

[radiant heart]

at that point i need to expand the map 😆

[shell fiber]

Actually I need to work on the stackability of clockwork hydroponic farms

But for that I need to make a bunch of items again

[radiant heart]

just an upgrade with glass?

kinda like the tree nursery

[shell fiber]

Calcinate seashells for quicklime, then glass a metal to make limelights, then consume a tiny bit of methane and you get artificial light

[shell fiber]

That's the easy option 😅

[radiant heart]

i mean there is already a shitloads of material, i'd rather be able to use them for more building instead of having new ones that are used only for 1 building

kinda like clay, it's not having that much use

[shell fiber]

🤔

That's true

But I also want it to be somewhat plausible

You really shouldn't be able to grow crops in the dark after stacking ten farms

So that's why I want to add some light stuff

[radiant heart]

true, but methane needs a more efficient receipe at that point

[shell fiber]

But there is other options

[shell fiber]

I was thinking of using the refinery as a more efficient way to transform this kind of stuff

[shell fiber]

I can also make a clockwork farm for spadderdock

[radiant heart]

sounds good, but refinery is easier to make then an alchemist 🤔 or refinery gonna get a rework to make it a higher tier i suppose?

[shell fiber]

Rework

Right now it's the vanilla building

[radiant heart]

still, the consumption is intense 10 per 8 methane and the chunkers consume together about 350 methane per day (i'm on a 15h cycle atm) that's 20~ish alchimist making methane and 400 spadderdock per day

not even sure a 256x256 map only making spadderdock would be enough 😅

[shell fiber]

Oh whoa I hadn't calculated that

What are you doing with all this glass ?

Or metal ?

[radiant heart]

me neither, just did the maths right now

glass to get my coffee from the IT and metal to build stuff

also just noticed, alchemist and fermentation barrel take sam etime and have same ratio for methane, shouldn't the alchemist be a bit bettter?

[shell fiber]

Hmm 🤔 yes

[stone halo]

@shell fiber can you provide me with the neccesairy materials to create WB variants of ladder and VPS

[stone halo]

@radiant heart what?

[radiant heart]

Toddor made a spec file for the ladder to work but it basically just uses the FT model

can send it if you want but not sure it will be really usefull

[stone halo]

no i need the unity materials

[shell fiber]

oh, it's super easy, just replace the Basewood brown with Basewood yellow (folktails)

for example with the straight staircase that's the result

for the power shafts i was hoping to go for something like that, but on my side i'm not confident in my ability to repaint the wood AND get it to animate

because of meshy whitchcraft and all.

[kind spire]

Oh I can do the animation no problem

[shell fiber]

the only thing you don't have is the pink wood

[shell fiber]

that would be really nice 🙂

[kind spire]

I think (?) I've got the Update 3 stuff still downloaded so should just be a copy, paste, reskin and changing out the animator script

Urgh I do not

damnit

[shell fiber]

oh i have that stuff

give me a sec

[kind spire]

An export of the entire Power resources folder would be chef's kiss

[shell fiber]

oh, okay 😉

[shell fiber]

oh right ! one thing i forgot ! it's a tiny bit more involved, but can you make any of the stackable items (ladder, vertical power shaft straight, vertical power shaft T, and universal power shaft) cost one "Scaffolding" (good specification for reference, one scaffolding effectively cost the same a small plaftorm) ?

you don't need to declare the item, you just list it as a cost and my mod will recognise (and it will never be called by people not playing with my mod so that won't impact them). @kind spire did that for some of the flywheels 🙂

for example :

[stone halo]

will try to remember

might do that tonight or hopefully very soon 👍

[shell fiber]

thanks !

nice to have you back 🙂

[stone halo]

not back yet

but atleast more active

[shell fiber]

there's no hurry, it's mostly visual so no need to force/rush 😊

[stone halo]

so its add scaffolding and remove planks and logs?

[shell fiber]

basically yes, -2 logs - 4 planks +1 Scaffolding should keep the price equivalent

[stone halo]

👍

and science cost?

any formula?

originalx2?

or what?

keep same?

we will have to discuss this some more

i feel like thats ugly

but you can decide

[kind spire]

I think science is usually cheaper

[stone halo]

but ima have dinner until idk when xD

[kind spire]

the small flywheel went from 300 to 5 or something

Hope it's delicious!

[stone halo]

thx

[radiant heart]

Science is a luxury item with the WB so most are tone down from the FT/IT versions

[shell fiber]

have a nice dinner 🙂

[shell fiber]

but at the same time i used them, and they didn't seem overpriced to me

the universal power shaft is pretty salty though, because i make gears more expensive

[radiant heart]

same, for the ladders i'd keep it the same i guess

[shell fiber]

but that's not an issue

well ladder should cost one scaffolding but that won't change the price in logs and planks

[radiant heart]

They could be a bit pricier to slow the abuse of ladder platforming 🤔

[shell fiber]

hmm... it's true that it's very monochrome. in that case the third main color on the WP color pallete is folktails white wood, which generally is good to highlight the rest

[radiant heart]

Not that i did that to make a 30~ish long bride but some ppl might 🤫

[shell fiber]

well the issue is that if people want to abuse ladder as platforms, they have a million possibilities that also work : small warehouse, vertical power shafts etc

[radiant heart]

• a 50 long bridge 😉