Water Beaver Overhaul

[radiant heart]

it would become way better then a flag , at that point might wanna BP lock it tho

like "tier one" is flags and tent like buildings... afterward if you wanna boost you need to start the house madness

Not a fan of this one, would hurt big time on smaller maps, i'm not on diaromma and space is getting cramped already and still a bit far from the balloons, didn't ruch it tho, wanna do the mega drill

Work on "power river" going nicely!

[shell fiber]

I got one running, but only at night because I don't have enough power 😅

I added the huge ones just so you know 😉

Produces twice more

Before you dynamite all that ground 😅

[shell fiber]

Oh there's an other issue : one plant can only belong to one planter group

So I'll likely have to make a crappy pine tree to kickstart resin

Otherwise wood is guaranteed with brambles

Let's say forester plants pink trees, regular pine and chestnut trees

Advanced forester or whatever it's called plants grape vines, bamboo, sequoias

And whichever nonsense I come up with next

I guess it's fine to be locked behind a red BP then 🤔

[shell fiber]

Which includes dandelions and berries

That was the main point

🤔

The hobby gardener needs a better walkaway

So that's it's far easier to make a line of them and build water pumps on top

(thinking about what are your options if you're really starved for berries and dandelions)

[radiant heart]

a huge baloon?

[shell fiber]

Water wheel 😅

[radiant heart]

same size as the FT one? needs 2 dep and 2 wide?

[shell fiber]

Uuh I don't remember which faction it comes from

It's bigger that the one you currently have

[radiant heart]

that i think is the FT one, 1 deep, 2 wide

[shell fiber]

Like it's 5x5x2 plus a little support on the side

[radiant heart]

gonna need a larger canal!

[shell fiber]

No the water part is two wide

You just need to arrange for the plug that is a bit different

[radiant heart]

kk, tought you came up with some sort of monster!

[shell fiber]

Ahah no

[radiant heart]

just gonna destroy and dynamine one lvl down

[shell fiber]

The custom animations on the water wheel currently don't work

Well be careful with your kaboom

[radiant heart]

that building is super cool, sadly the production rate makes it pointless

[radiant heart]

i know, 1k dirt per kaboom to fix is pricy

[shell fiber]

Well if it makes more it would magically feed itself 😅

[radiant heart]

can it have an upgrade(red BP) that makes the place the planter for dandelions and berries?

[shell fiber]

Yeah that will be a red bp

Probably will plant "domesticated berries"that produce more per day

[radiant heart]

EUUUUUU .... WTF, something is up with the waterflow over the passtrough house

my whole dam map is flooded now 🤣

[shell fiber]

🤔

[shell fiber]

What is going on ? They are more watertight then they should ?

Like they block water higher than that visually should ?

[radiant heart]

they block water +1 over the roof

it's like if i built a triple watertight lodge

[shell fiber]

Oh

That's not good

I'll check when I'll be home

[radiant heart]

nope, now all my crops are dead 🤣

[shell fiber]

You could have razed it you know 😅

You're using so many ladders 😅

[radiant heart]

i did but was busy chatting, managing the power river project and didn't notice untill too late ...

[shell fiber]

Even the berries and dandelions ? 😅

[radiant heart]

with the non-stackable platformns ladders are not that powerfull tho, can go 3 high max or need to be built from above

[radiant heart]

good thing they endure flooding more then farm food! lost 3 berries, was really time i noticed

That's the kind of situation i wouldn't feel that bad using cheater mode tho to repair the woopsy, afterll it was not me messing up a project, the building F'd me up 😉

[distant wigeon]

@radiant heart The game engine's water has a hard limit on how much water can flow over any given edge. You can correct this issue by adding more edge for the water to flow off of, like Weirs.

Especially if you can't give it more width

[radiant heart]

I had 2 regular lodges in that exact place but tried replacing them with the other build and it got weird

And there is also that ... almost crashed my game a few times, ( same with large artis and grapes)

talking bout grapes, did you abandon the wine ? if so, how about grape juice in the press?

[shell fiber]

Ah yes that can be an issue

[shell fiber]

I don't think that can actually crash your game but I'll take care of it

[radiant heart]

maybe not crash but tons of lag minimum

[shell fiber]

Actually I don't know how I feel about adding alcohol as a drink in game

[radiant heart]

yeah.... well, as long as it's not a "vital" 😉

if you decide not to, it would be cool to find another use to the building because the esthetic was really pleasing

Maybe the juice factory so the press is for oil ( and whatever your evil mind can think about) And have the juice in a diffrent building

[radiant heart]

Would it be super hard to make the power output of the bigger water wheel a 4way connector instead of a 1 way? just a little quality of life thing 😉

( well, a 3 way instead of a 1 way since one side is the wheel itself)

And just to get back on that plants priority thing, yes brambles is infinite wood but with the harvest time.... it sucks, other wood source will stay releveant

[radiant heart]

Project Dandelions almost completed ! now it has to spread....

[shell fiber]

hmm... i don't think i want to make brambles replace pine trees

even if it is still playable it would be altering too much the looks of the maps

i might still make brambles unplantable though

but that makes some map not usuable

unless i make them replace chestnut trees, maples etc... everything that has a harvestable component except pine (and of course i re-add chestnuts as a plantable tree)

i'll put wine in the game too

i'll see if i can make it have a small "drunkenness" debuff

like if you somehow have plenty of wine and not enough water, your beavers can end up wasted

unless i make a "cirrhosis" stat that just kills them if they dring too much

the wine cellar will just be a very big fermenter i thing

should be able to make wine also in the fermentation barrels i suppose

[shell fiber]

hmm... but then it is completely ignorable...

i need to take a look at the balloon trader to see where i want it to fit

but not for today

gn

[analog zodiac]

[radiant heart]

That's not ideal, most suggesitons i made were actually to make any map playable with the WB and IMO it should work on any map in the end when everything is in place

[radiant heart]

love that one

[radiant heart]

You need beavers to crush the grapew with theyr feets, the actual building is really cool, don't want to waste it but in theory you need

1- Feet press: where beavers walk all day long and dance on the grapes to squeeze out the juice;
2- Wine cave(wine cellar) to run it into booze...

Think it's not too many steps and makes it a bit better then just toss grapes in a barrel, aren't you French so you should at least try to make wine a tad properly? 😉

now that i think about it, the "Feet press" could be a tier one to the powered press, 🤔 and ratio/time can be individual right? like
10sunflower seed = 7 oils in 10h
10grapes = 9 juice in 5h
...
and anything else with a less efficient time and/or ratio then the press

IMO could use the top of a barrel, not sure if 2x2 or 3x3, maybe both, 2 versions, idk

( don'T wanna be annoying about it but power output from dust burning?) is it still a maybe or a nono?

[shell fiber]

Probably not, if possible I can to avoid this kind of controllable power as much as possible.

I'll likely make a gaz turbine that produces huge amount of power but burns through your methane faster than you can reasonably replenish it, so that it is something you only want to run during droughts

To be fair with the flywheels and gravity batteries we have plenty enough storage capacity, and the huge water wheel should generate enough power to charge them

[radiant heart]

methane is quite hard to produce, didn't think it would eat spadderdock that fast

[shell fiber]

Well that was in the old days, now people get the grape juice out with a normal screwpress 😉

[radiant heart]

unless gravity batteries get a serious buff flywhells are the way to go

[shell fiber]

I can probably rebalance it at some point

[shell fiber]

I think I already buffed them quite a lot

[radiant heart]

Flywheel fall is comming along nicely

3 to go

[shell fiber]

I don't remember the numbers rn but they can store 2.5x more compared to before

And they are a lot less expensive

[radiant heart]

( ladders on the left are a shortcut built from above, made my way up with logstairs and shitty platforms 😉

[shell fiber]

But that's a really nice stack of flywheels you have there 😅

[radiant heart]

gonna try them out once flywheel fall is done

[shell fiber]

Do they cost scaffolding ?

[radiant heart]

ladders or flywheels?

didn't realize i'd need that much bramble...

this isn't enough yet for 300 beavers ( think i got 10 that gathers)

[shell fiber]

Actually I have a nice idea : I could make grape juice in the screwpress, but also have it make grape mush that you can turn into methane in the barrels. While wine in made in the winery only

[radiant heart]

just plz tell me you are keeping the visual of the cellar 😉

[shell fiber]

Flywheels, in the last update they should cost scaffolding

[shell fiber]

Yes

The one that will change a bit off
Is the tree nursery

[radiant heart]

didn't update my flywheel mod since i had some in progress, didn't wanna kill my run, once they are built will update

[shell fiber]

I think they are struggling with the harvest time, you should build harvesters houses instead 😉

[radiant heart]

got 7 flags up there

[shell fiber]

Actually one thing I want to do is give a small debuff to flags like "outside workplace" that makes them unhappy and work slower 😉

[radiant heart]

didn't wanna do the house since I don't need a watertight place there

[shell fiber]

Also I was thinking about how I could force players to play with multiple districts

(assuming I should)

[radiant heart]

fine, will give it a try

[shell fiber]

Because that's a mechanic I generally don't use unless I'm forced to

[radiant heart]

mheee... with smart housing that faction is the perfect one to go 1 district, " All the contraire my friend" i tought about removing distric crossings

( trying to make a ressource a pririty on the gatherer house crashes the game .....) thanks ! 😂

[shell fiber]

Ahah sorry 😂

🤔

[radiant heart]

don't be , i know what i've signed up for 😉

[shell fiber]

But you don't need to prioritize anything right ? There's only brambles around

[radiant heart]

got some chestnuts in range

[shell fiber]

Oh

But they already go for the closest anyway right ?

[radiant heart]

normaly yes, tried it also on the large farmhouse to prioritize spadderdock but it crashes the game too. Something is up with the priority drop down menu on those buildings

lost 4 days, not that bad

[shell fiber]

I think last time I tried it just didn't do anything 🤔

[radiant heart]

( 2 left on flywheel fall)

does the spicy sode buff drops faster then the others? got 2 houses running full steam and still not much have it

[shell fiber]

I don't think so

But they will always prefer soda to water

Which is something I overlooked I thing

It's somewhat easy to fix of you want to give it a try

Go in the specifications, search for "need specifications . Beaver . Redsoda. Original.json" (and since we're at it e same with "dandelTea" ) and set "wastable" to false

[radiant heart]

gonna call it a day in 1h~ish, it's only wednesday, need some sleep to not slap someone at work in the next 2 days

[shell fiber]

Oh okay

[radiant heart]

in 48h will gladly give it a try 😉

[shell fiber]

I might have an update in the meantime

[radiant heart]

Wow, didn't realize how buffed the harvester house is !!!

bigger in house storage would be cool tho to kill the flags once you unlock those

4 workers = 80 storage with the flags, house is only 36

Soooo, the lumber house also would be super effective in the bramble field? 🤔 dang you, need to test something out, but need to sleep, gonna be a reasonable adult and test that out some other day 😉

[radiant heart]

fun fact, giga drill can't handle 0.00000001 of water 😦

tought bramble flowers were 1 or 2 days, did you nerf it?

[shell fiber]

Maybe, don't remember. Maybe I set it to four days, not more

[radiant heart]

it's 4 atm but it used to be faster

[shell fiber]

Probably the door voxel is flooded

[shell fiber]

Yeah it used to be two but I felt it was maybe too fast

[radiant heart]

does it have to be 1+ like a watertight building or any water running by the door floods it6 ( intended way) cauz atm it's any water passing by makes it flooded

[radiant heart]

not that much IMO with harvest time VS amount needed late game, maybe let's give it a try at 3days and i'll let you know?

Got 7 flags and now 2 houses (well beeing at average 33~35) think that field should be enough for the size of the colony ( getting to 300 beavers)

and getting late, got to hit the bed,

GN

[shell fiber]

hmm... that was unexpected, but i have glass now

or should i say "glass"

it's kind of the minecraft approach

[radiant heart]

that's cute

[shell fiber]

but now i have to rethink some stuff

[radiant heart]

always fin it funny when i see the notification in french on your screen shots, never botherred to switch the language of the game

[shell fiber]

why would i ? 😅

[radiant heart]

it went to french by default ?

mine not, maybe something with my steam account settings

[shell fiber]

no but i'm french so i play my games in french 🤔
it's true that i mod directly in english, that makes a weird mix

[radiant heart]

my first language is french too but when i was a kid "french edition" of games was quite rare so i got used to play in english and it stayed like that

[analog zodiac]

YOOOOOOOOO

[shell fiber]

but turns out it's harder to use properly due to the water mechanics

[analog zodiac]

Oh

[shell fiber]

and also i already fixed in an other way the problem glass was intended to solve

[shell fiber]

ah, i see what causes that

it probably happens too with the gatherer's flag

[radiant heart]

never triied that one but it happens on the large farm also

[shell fiber]

doesn't happen on my current version

it's because of the grape vines, having two plants that yield the same thing is not something the game handles very well

I'll think about how to solve that, but it might not be solvable

[radiant heart]

do wee really need the 2 grapes?

or make one Green grapes and the other red ones? will fill in the same need but the game will see 2 diffrent ressources

[shell fiber]

That's one of the solutions I was thinking about, but then to make wine you hit the same issue, you need two recipes again etc.

I think I'll still go that way because the point of having both time is just to ensure everyone have a model that fits his map

So you shouldn't ever need to actually plant both

I guess I'll have to fix the texture somehow

[shell fiber]

I think I'm going to remove the blueprint for the water pump, I don't really ever need nor want to build that thing

That will allow me to move the large water wheel BP back to the mechanics lodge, and with that open slot I can make a blueprint for the balloon trader.

Which will allow to start gathering some of the resource that will be used in the next tech tier

[shell fiber]

success !

it's really better to build on the ground, but stacked on some pit-and-ladder lodges works !

oh there's an issue though

because the pit-and ladder lodges are effectively ladders, right now they can't reach

[radiant heart]

could make bith wines each giving a well-beeing buff tho so ppl would have to make red and green 😉

[radiant heart]

You can build something solid over the hole of the pit and ladder? tought i tried that and it didn't work 🤔 maybe it was just a "blocking entrance" message and didn't notice

[radiant heart]

looks great, you keep amazing me more and more with every building you pop out!

[shell fiber]

no you're correct, only very select buildings can be placed on top of the pit and ladder lodges

hell yeah ! i'm on fire ! i added like 20 specifications, 10 icons and 4 materials at once, and no crash !

[radiant heart]

No crash.. yet, 🤣

[shell fiber]

that's your job to crash it 😉

[radiant heart]

can do it, just need to specify something in the gather house or large farm since it's not updated yet 🤣

[shell fiber]

i didn't fix it yet actually 😅

[radiant heart]

at least I know not to do it !

[radiant heart]

Grape mush is a step toward the wine or can be consumed as is also?

[shell fiber]

no it's trash to make methane

i mean it could be edible

oh i had forgot one

[radiant heart]

that's a lot of pink drinks!

[heavy lodge]

It's not for Daltonists 🤣

[shell fiber]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

only so much i can do

[shell fiber]

the rightmost one is just "alcohol" i'll rework it eventually

i don't even remember what makes it

alchemist maybe ?

[radiant heart]

booze is made in the press if i remember correctly and you didn't change it

[shell fiber]

booze in the press ?

nah that's just the juice

[radiant heart]

🤔

[shell fiber]

then you ferment it into booze

but that doesn't matter, i'll rework it

oh by the way, i had an hour to kill today at the lab, so i made some sort of roadmap toward my endgame

🙂

[radiant heart]

yeah, alchimist makes it, my bad

[shell fiber]

in very short, the university unlocks the tree nursery, that unlocks sequoias, that give giant logs that allow to make a super deep ruin exploration elevator

down there you find ancient magic whatever

and using that you can make 5 "wonders" (huge buildings with absurd construction requirement)

and once you have all five of them you can activate one last nonsense thingy that give infinite everythign

[radiant heart]

So it basicaly unlocks "cheater mode" 🤔

[shell fiber]

well yes and no, but it's a way to say "you've won, there's no point in doing anything else now"

Oh, i have an existential question :
should i make sure the tent buildings never become obsolete, or should i on the contrary make advanced buildings that render them useless ?

Ahahah, i'm an asshole 😆

i just had a brilliant idea on that matter

for now the factory doesn't make metal fixtures, not sawblades

but it can make anvils

so i made the building cost... one anvil

so you have to destroy your metal works to build the factory, then make a new anvil from it 🙂

which is horribly expensive

but thankfully the factory is not necessary early one, so you can accumulate scrapmetal and coal

[radiant heart]

They are too cool to go to waste IMO

the looks of it is amazing, i don't even make a sawmill and just dump in a gizillion more log gnawing stations because i like the looks of it

[radiant heart]

That's evil alright but gonnabe an issue early on, not sure balancewise how it would go, would have to start a new run with that implemented to give it a try

and on a personnal note i don't like it because i love my tents/awnings buildings 😉 don't wanna have to destroy them

[radiant heart]

Kind of the way each mining tier has a unique component that doesn't make it irrelevant in the later game ( salt for the mini one, quartz for the medium one, dirt for the mega drill....)

[shell fiber]

you can rebuild it later

actually you will have to

that's the only place to make sawblades and fixtures

[shell fiber]

actually i'm seriously considering retting rid of the quartz entirely

because how many chemistry sets will you ever want anyway ?

[radiant heart]

i made 5-6 when i opened the mine and think i got 2 left

[shell fiber]

i think you'll just have to trade a new one with a balloon

[radiant heart]

basically one per thing it can produce so it's a "set and forget"

[shell fiber]

ah i see

yeah makes sense

but still

[radiant heart]

idk about that one, always felt like ballons are super late game stuff and are there for "Bonus things"

[shell fiber]

i prefer give the medium mine something more interesting to do

i'll make the ballons more approachable

[radiant heart]

Maybe a tier one mini balloon then?

[shell fiber]

will need a green blueprint but otherwise i'll simplify the build

at least the cost

[radiant heart]

having extra alchimist locked behind ballons is a lot af steps IMO, already behind medium mine was a tad far for my liking but it's ok

early on you want 2 at least to have one for tar and one for nitroglycerin

some would say one for medecine too but the beds alone do the trick, i'm still not making any since i don't have enough dandalions, can't even make the thé

[shell fiber]

hmm... generally i'm fine toggleing between the two

i mostly make nitroglycerin, but sometime i set it to tar, accumulate 80-100L of it and go back to nitro

[radiant heart]

at first I make a bunch of tar, then switch it to nitro and it stays there , then build the second to get back on tar production

Maybe i use too much dynamite 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[shell fiber]

ahah

i use quite a lot too

i should be able to upload soon

once i get it bug free

i think i have all the name keys

i just tried to adjust the connectivity of the large waterwheel

let'see

slowly creeping up to 500Mo 😂

rightnow 415

okay ! it's up !

i erased some specifications so it's probably better to clear your old install 😅

good luck breaking it !

[radiant heart]

will get to the breaking later, got some work to get done first 😉

[shell fiber]

oh okay

i'll go to sleep then

gn !

[radiant heart]

gn

[distant wigeon]

Oooh! I love the Blue leaves on the purple stem! Looks MAGICAL. If only it glittered, too, but that may be outside your scope.

[radiant heart]

alright, time to see if i can crash it in a new way!

OOOOOOOooooo... 2.2 !!!! almost deserves a new run, at least gonna see if if works with the previous save and get my beavers drunk a bit before tho

[radiant heart]

2.2 Running smooth, time to build shits to crash it !

Yoooo those icons for the BPs is awesome !!!!! 😍

Ho shit, my chestnuts farming zones got swapped into bramble.... Thanks 🤣

[shell fiber]

Nah it doesn't change that much, it's just because I started modding the next tier of things

[shell fiber]

Ahah right

Sorry

It's more for when starting new games

You can just cheat mode everything back in place

Problem is that there is only one tree that could be replaced by brambles naturally and that's pine, but without pines there's just more issues

The way the game handles plants in game editor is really bad

My map editor mod fixed that but they don't want It for the contest

[radiant heart]

🤫

I know you're not a fan of floodgates but is there a house or something that could do that? like a "flow controler" that requires red BPS ?

should need power too or a crapton of workers

(mega drilll needs bigger storage space IMO if it's only haulers managed 😉

[shell fiber]

The utility dam upgrade works as a floodgate

[radiant heart]

cool, never tried that one

FYI, something is up with sollision detection on your bridges, let's me put a planting zone under a 2 high bridge, will not plant at least

[shell fiber]

What are you trying to plant ?

[radiant heart]

tried chestnuts and pink birch

[shell fiber]

Long bridges have some occupancy under them

I think trees are at least 3tall

[radiant heart]

like it lets me set the zone but won't plant at least

[radiant heart]

yes, but mine are at 2 high. normally i can't even set the zone to plant

at the same time looked kinda cool having the trees across the bridge...

[radiant heart]

lol, now i need to save my grapes cauz i can't plant more!

Mush farm prod rate is not that interesting, at that point mush tent on fast is better , would be cool if it had a buff up, maybe in the 80~100 range instead of 60. Kinda underwhelming for the trouble of making a red BP

[shell fiber]

Yeah but the point is that it's waterproof

And feeds its own population

[radiant heart]

i get it but still, since red BPs are quite far in game, having a red BP locked building not more efficient then the tier one is a bit strange IMO

[radiant heart]

Why no dirt in Tree Nursery ? They grow hydroponic? 🤔

Would also make the giga drill mandatory to plan back the berries and dandelions

[radiant heart]

YaY , finally made my First terraforming block!

annnnnd, shit, large wheel is five not 3.... lot of destruction to do

and thanks for making the exit a 4way!!! super cool perk

( and decent on the amount of gears)

[shell fiber]

Oh I just forgot about that

But do I want to ? The large drill is going to be pretty mandatory of you want to have metal long term anyway

[shell fiber]

nice 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

How do they transport those

[analog zodiac]

time for lap to create a public transit and hauling system

trains 2.0

[heavy lodge]

We may need one of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdpHAowtbac

[shell fiber]

nope, i'm still codeless

[heavy lodge]

You have zipped the log for transport ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

I could have them drag a gigantic log but that would require modding the beaver themselves, and i don't want to touch that

so... "magic"

in case that wasn't clear, both the sequoia feller and giant log storage use the same model for the building except for tiny details

the storage display system is different thought, so the sequoia feller is ground only (the log are hidden underground)

Something tells me it's time to make some storage categories 😑

there's like... 20 items now ? 😅

i want to see what happens if i make the trunk of the sequoia heavy stackable 😉

but maybe tomorrow

gn!

[radiant heart]

Don't need the drill with the medium mines on that one run i went up to bots i was making enough metal with 2-3 medium mines

[radiant heart]

1 sub group per "items" would be nice, like one for the piles, one for the warehouses, one for the liquids and so on....

plus production rate is better on the medium mine then the mega drill

[radiant heart]

if it was not for terraforming(and mud baths) , megadrill is pointless, output is so weak... not sure if it's what you planned for it but to compete with medium mine would need a serious buff and much more inner storage

[radiant heart]

Nursery Works A1, well done sir, well done ! 👌

(also tried cheating using forester to plant once unlocked but nope! it's hard locked by the nursery)

Bamboo alone is quite cool the pallet and all but it's a tad too much IMO, idk, feels totaly out of the actual esthetics for the WB....

like pink shaft and green leaves maybe or some sort of colors that are already there.. atm it just feels out of another dimension and has nothing to do with the WB

would work perfectgly with that "haunted house" skin you had for the buildings tho in black and purple 😉

And something funky going on with the large tank...

[shell fiber]

I like how it make the map colourful 😊
I don't want everything to be pink and white 😉

[radiant heart]

I get it but it's a bit of a big jump, idk, maybe it's just me but the clash is quite intense

quick question from the back, is there a difference in the spreading time for domesticated berries VS normal ones? i see they produce faster and it's quite cool but if i need to grow my field naturaly?

[radiant heart]

maybe give the tier 3 buildings a tad of bleu/purple so the baboom would not feel out of place? 🤔 Kinda the way you did the pink birch so the pink buildings make sence

[radiant heart]

Well, priority on the harvester also crashes the game 😦

[shell fiber]

I don't remember, I think they don't

[shell fiber]

You mean the harvesting flag ?

[radiant heart]

nope, the house

[shell fiber]

Oh well the house is a glorified glad so yes

Ugh

I guess I'm go for white / red grapes then

[radiant heart]

didn't dare to try the large farmhouse, is that one supposed to be fixed?

[shell fiber]

That's the only way to fix it

[shell fiber]

The farmhouse should be fixed

It was crashing because of the grape planting

[radiant heart]

it is !

made a little testing zone to see if domesticated will seed

getting closer to bot time! , but not tonight, need some sleep !

Anything for the underground ruin in a near future or i can delete them since they take up space for nothing?

Think something is up with the grapes planting tho, ain't it supposed to be the forester?

cauz none are getting planted now only living of my old plantations

[shell fiber]

Something coming, in the "near" future

[shell fiber]

Nope, tree nursery too 😉

The forester only plants basic stuff

Still plants chestnuts though

[radiant heart]

that's what i tought but was a bit confused since it used to be forester 😉

[shell fiber]

Basically I want an exploration facility that also works as a mine of sorts, I'm probably going to go for my own brand of geothermal/nuclear power.
Could do some sort of missile silo too but... For what purpose ?

[radiant heart]

Missile could just be a fun troll that ppl want to buy but once ou lauch it it just obliterates everything and flattens the while map 🤣

[heavy lodge]

Bigger dig, or, to be ready for an unlekly multiplayer 🤣

[radiant heart]

wow, that was a lot of typos, guess i'm better going tobed

later 👋

[heavy lodge]

will be funny to have a missile that spread a small amount of water to any part of the map (selected by player), not for growing crops, just enough not to die ...

[distant wigeon]

Blast a hole and place a strength 0.5 water source inside somewhere?

[shell fiber]

I didn't really attempt to balance it yet, expect for how much the drill bits cost and how much they will produce before they break. I can make more efficient

Edit : oh yeah the production was trash, but mostly because the medium mine is so much more efficient. but since i don't want to nerf it (it takes 10 beavers to run after all) i increased the output of the drill by a factor 30 😅

so now for one 3h cycle, it produces 60 iron, 60 coal and 200 dirt (i didnt x30 this 😉).
on the drawback side, drillbits still cost 30 scrap metal, but now require 50 methane to make, and are only good for ten cycles, down from 75.

one thing i'm not super happy with, is that it is completely unrealistic to imagine a place so rich in mineral that you can conveniently just drill it and find craptons of both iron and coal, so i'm pretty sure i'll make one variant for each, probably one variant for dirt too.

but i don't like producing so much dirt either, so i'm thinking about making it generate litteral waste, like just plain rocks that you need to get rid off the map with a catapult or something.

[shell fiber]

That would be a pretty fun idea actually, but without code this seems difficult 😥

I actually kind of want to see if I can make custom watersources

[shell fiber]

you'd be surprised how easy it is to model a trebuchet

[torn bluff]

Just an idea I had while briefly looking over it, but what if this specific beaver type had like an upgrade station? As in, there is a station with different things you can upgrade for beavers e.g. slowing down dehydration for beavers, increasing efficiency, etc

And as the levels get higher, the resource demand is a lot more, to create more for endgame?

I will definitely be trying this mod later though

[shell fiber]

That's an interesting idea, I had tested time stuff that can actually slow down hunger thirst and so on but didn't do anything with it yet.
It's not going to be age of empires style "armor upgrade" and things but there is stuff that is doable in roundabout ways 👍

[torn bluff]

An idea of an upgrade that'd fit the theme & both be useful could be one that just like increases the amount of resources it gathers, e.g. 1x to 1.5x logs or something

[analog zodiac]

LADIES AND GENTLEBEAVERS

WE GOT TREBUCHET

[analog zodiac]

oh so kinda like a techtree that researches upgrades?

[heavy lodge]

While not will require more BP, a research tree will be a good idea 😄

[torn bluff]

yeah like that, maybe it could use science points as once you unlock everyting you have no use for them

[analog zodiac]

hmmmmm, that could be interesting

i kinda enjoy the current upgrade system that exists, where building upgrades are applied directly on top of the old building, so the mod plays w the core modular form that timberborn allows

[heavy lodge]

Or, use SP as a general and very expensive wellbeing boost ?

[shell fiber]

hmm... that one's complicated. duplicating stuff is super messy in this game

[shell fiber]

i need to check what happens when you make a reciepe that generate negative science points 🤔

[heavy lodge]

will be more easy to consume SP as fuel

[analog zodiac]

that would be cool

a case for using science points to say boost your crops growth or amount you get, or other similar things

[heavy lodge]

Guess that SP should be only for wellbeing boost. For crops boost, a fertilizer can act as a fuel for something similar to FT bee hives. Maybe toilet for beavers, and what they left inside to be that fertilizer ? 😁

[analog zodiac]

but also yeah, honestly lol

lavaratories and the manure produced becomes fertilizer for crops

[shell fiber]

okay, so we can have reciepes that consume science.

the only thing is that when you reach zero science....nothing happens

the game wil happily let you slide in the negative with no care in the world.

but i think i want to be conservative with science consumption, it's made by having beaver read books and study, not witchcraft.

but i will definitely add in witchcraft, at least for the bots.

[shell fiber]

i actually thought about this 😅

[heavy lodge]

and, don't need yet animation for the beavers queuing at the toilet 🤣

[shell fiber]

problem is that i don't know how to make it produce poop more or less depending on how many beavers will come.

i can make a building that generate some every X hours inconditionnally and give beavers a need that drives them to come here regularily

that seems like a solid plan actually

🤔

i need some way to make fertilizer anyway

although using nitrate (saltpeter) from the mine is a lot less trouble.

yeah, toilets would actually pose quite an issue in regards to scalablility

i think i'm at 300 beavers now

even if building toilets would not be an issue, the amount of poop generated would

can always dump it in the river i guess.

[heavy lodge]

only if is not dried out 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh wait, herbivoran poop can be fermented into methane 🤔

[analog zodiac]

ah, the cities skylines approach i see 😁

time to employ the water cleaning facilities

[shell fiber]

but the real question is : would that be interesting gameplay-wise ? 🤔

anyway, time to sleep for me !

GN

[heavy lodge]

GN

[analog zodiac]

sleeb well, see ya!

[radiant heart]

that's so dumb I LOVE IT

[radiant heart]

Methane is a bit of a doozy to make tho, those haulers only barrels are not really reliable. will see how it effects the balance and let you know

Didn't you make Methane doable in the alchimist tho?

[radiant heart]

Maybe base it on the control tower from the IT, it consumes the SP to boost the bots

[shell fiber]

Last time I tried this script was really weak, it's only made to block the ranged effect but does nothing to the rest

[shell fiber]

I think in my version I made the spadderdock recipe far more efficient

[radiant heart]

that would be nice cauz i've had 2 barrels prioritized forever and tank is barely filling up, and i'm not really using it unless i missed some place that use it

[shell fiber]

For now methane is not used a lot. The plan was to make lamps with methane and limelights but I keep getting lost in other things 😉

[radiant heart]

exactly my point, even if it's not used a lot i can't fill up a tank the way it's produced atm, would need a better place to make it ( like a medium or large barrel that has a beaver dedicated to it maybe)

thinking about some sort of reskin of the "normal" large tank but it takes spadderdock, poop or whatever the F makes methane with a dedicated worler

[radiant heart]

is harvestable on the bamboo planned in the next update also?

still got an issue with that eyesoar so if it's only for wood will remove them 😉

Not sure if it's an issue or not but the right one is making wine so i get it it's a grape flag but the beer one still has a grape flag ? 🤔

[shell fiber]

It's planned but I don't know what I'll do in which order.
The main point of bamboo is to be grown in a dam reservoir though, as is okay with up to 7 metres of water

[shell fiber]

Ah that's leftover from when this building was tasked with harvesting, not fermenting.
I didn't really think it though to be honest, but I guess you're right

[radiant heart]

Euuuuuuuu now opening cheater mode kills a beaver? 🤣

[shell fiber]

That's a possibility but I think your problem is mostly not enough spadderdock or not enough fermentation barrels. Did you also set the Gaz tank to "request goods" ?

[shell fiber]

You probably accidentally hit delete with a beaver selected 😅

[radiant heart]

yes, spadderdock is always capped out, field not even beeing fully harvested due to full storage

have 2 barrels and tank is set on request

[heavy lodge]

If you are an evil dev 🤣

[shell fiber]

Soooo more fermentation barrels ? 😉

[radiant heart]

got 2 already on methane and i'm not using it ( and not been using it for a lot of time... tank should be more then full by now )

[shell fiber]

Oh I see

You're not using it at all ?

[radiant heart]

used it for the chimestry set or not sure what else but atm i got nothing using it

[shell fiber]

When you're in cheat mode can you click on a barrel and open the "see priorities something"?

That will indicate the priority of the request

Do you have a lot of other prioritized buildings ?

[radiant heart]

v

looks like the empty behavior is too low

[shell fiber]

Hmm

[radiant heart]

water pumps and other barrels

[shell fiber]

Same thing with the Gaz tank ?

[radiant heart]

nothing else is priority and got at least 40 haulers

[shell fiber]

Prioritizing water pump is a bad idea in my experience

[radiant heart]

0.92 on obtain

[shell fiber]

To be honest 0.38 is not terribly low

[radiant heart]

oups, was not prioritized, bumped up to 1.42

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah your priority list is clogged

The way I understand it, the task list has no safety check to ensure task don't stay buried forever

[radiant heart]

will let it run a bit and see, tought it was prioritized, might have been on a save i lost and had to rollback

[shell fiber]

With the zauerkraut issue the priority was often stuck at 0.1 meaning carrying even one drop off water was more important

But prioritising water pumps also will lead to that

At least I think

[radiant heart]

kimchy barrels are between 0,14 and 1 for empty, all fill up is above 1

Not prioritizing water pumps made me die quite often,

but i get the issue it can cause, like the haulers are running there but by the time they arrive someone came and drink it

so early on water priority = yes, later = no

[shell fiber]

That's normal basically the priority is 1-fill rate

[radiant heart]

will turn it off and see

[shell fiber]

1.42 seems pretty high so they should fill it

Should be at least on par with water pumps logically

[radiant heart]

thnk water not beeing prioritized helped, now tank is empty and producing

let's just hope i don't kill my beavers due to dehydration

*barrels are empty and producing

lol, gained like 30 methane while we are talking about it, looks like I had not enough haulers for the amount of buildings prioritized

That whole mess is only one district so... might explain the hauling issues ( speed boost for haulers plz? 😆 )

[radiant heart]

Why?

1-2-3 would work but 4-5-6 won't let me place them 🤔

tought it was the double thingny in the back but the 4 doesn't ahve it so ....

[radiant heart]

looks like 4-5-6mcan't be built on ground... intended?

WTF? works on one side but not the other...

idk, something is up with the bridges i think ... or i'm dumb and missing something

the 5 one works on the left but not the 6 one... 🤔 super confused

[shell fiber]

Il check

Probably some occupancy issue

The original build are indeed confusing but I rolled with it assuming it made sense to whoever made it

[radiant heart]

tried a lot of stuff but would not let me place the 6 on the left whatever i tried

[shell fiber]

Probably some wrong occupancy issue

[radiant heart]

that's the thing that makes me go hummmm, the set up on the left is the exact same thing but on the left it will not work

*on the right it doesn't work with the bridge going left

[shell fiber]

That's a bit ... Excessive maybe 😅

[radiant heart]

that one worked once i dropped it on any combination of platform/ladders, but if I do a 180deg it never works

And on a side note, they drink booze quite fast, is it possible to make the wellbeeing buff last longer? atm they are just dumb alchoolics 🤣

is that a "mountain Dew" skin for the dandelionthea?

[shell fiber]

Nah I just googled "green yellow liquid" and picked just whatever

[radiant heart]

lol

[shell fiber]

The different drinks needs are I think -0.05 per day and each unity consumed fils 0.2 so you should consume 1/day/4 beavers

[radiant heart]

kinda sad the press worker won't put the grape mush himself in the barrels... is there a way to make that happen or the storage for the mush is unavoidable? ( will see tommorow, already way past bedtime for me )

[shell fiber]

Ooooh makes sense

Hmmm

Okay maybe I'll make a bigger barrel with one Beaver managing it

[radiant heart]

50~ish beer a day, for 350 beavers... guess i need another booze maker then

[shell fiber]

I'll keep the small ones for early game though

[shell fiber]

I don't have any good way to make them Stackable anyway so it's fine to eventually phase them out

[radiant heart]

super platforms? or you gonna ditch those?

( and GN, i'm out, need some sleep not much time left )

[shell fiber]

Yep, they were (in addition to glass) the answer to the lack of Stackability of many industrial buildings

But I solved that in a different manner

Si they are basically pointless now

I could put the one from the large farmhouse back though 🤔

[radiant heart]

idk, maybe some sort of upgrade for the large farmhouse, maybe a hauler attic that doesn't make more pop? ( out for real)

[shell fiber]

GN 👍

[shell fiber]

damn, there's a lot more downloads since the mod showcase post 🙂

[analog zodiac]

ya made it fam!

[shell fiber]

yay ! 7k downloads !

my trebuchet animation is messed up though, despite being perfectly fine in unity editor

[radiant heart]

Need ti to toss useless eaters out of the map not rocks, might solve it 😆

[radiant heart]

Not sure if you changed anything but the end part of the upgrade went super smooth for one side, the other is still a hot mess to put in place tho

[shell fiber]

you wouldn't guess what can happen with a 3/1000 chance 😏

[shell fiber]

yeah, there's not much i can do about that i'm afraid

[radiant heart]

some unlucky beaver will have his paw stuck in the treb i guess

[shell fiber]

XXXX thought it would be hilarious to hide in the trebuchet basket. For the record it was.

[radiant heart]

if youmake the "end peice" inclluded in one upgrade could it solve the placement issue?

[shell fiber]

uuh...i guess but that pose issues with science cost to unlock and stuff

[radiant heart]

end part would have to be more expensive since it contain an upgrade

but at the same time you would need a left and a right one so here you double the cost again🤔

[shell fiber]

yep exactly

i added in the description "ram the camera into the building if placement is difficult"

[shell fiber]

ah, i found the issue causing the crash with the berry harverters etc

it's more than i originally thought

there's the grapes of course

but there's the berry duplicate too

i would be a lot happier if the devs could fix that someday.
might be worht asking

[shell fiber]

everything seems in order

update incomming

uploaded !

[radiant heart]

time to crash my game! ( this evening, now gotta work a bit)

[shell fiber]

gotta sleep for me.

gn

[radiant heart]

gn

[jade gate]

how do i

download

this

[radiant heart]

mod.io

or directly from the mod manager if you have it installed already

[jade gate]

alr

thank

[radiant heart]

yw

be sure to remove other mods tho this one doesn't work with a lot of them

[slow locust]

am I the only one who noticed that the bottom one swaps direction when the 2nd one gets added to the shelf.

[radiant heart]

it's alll part of the magic 😉

[slow locust]

ahhh, nobody told me to ignore the dude behind the curtain.

is there somewhere a modlist, which mods works with this mod?

[radiant heart]

not much actually, flywheels i know work, for the others i'm not sure which ones have a specification folder included for the WB

[shell fiber]

It's because they are added from the bottom then raised up 😉
How would you ever put the second one above the first ? 😊

[radiant heart]

The same magic that let's them carry it as a small log 😉

[radiant heart]

well, my drill is still there, but it decided to do ore... kinda bad

Oooo, cool trbuchet making science is awesome! well played sir, well played

white grapes = food, red =juice/wine? is that it or they can still eat the red ones raw?

is there something on 4-5-6 bridges set to ground only? looks like i can't place those on platfors atm

well, even on ground something is up 🤔

on the little overhang of the buildings it still works tho

Mangroves and bananas incoming? 🤔

[shell fiber]

Oh I assumed the iron ore would be more important 😅

[shell fiber]

Both grapes are exactly the same

[shell fiber]

Oh sorry it completely slipped out of my head

[shell fiber]

Hmm ... Maaaaybe maybe not

Isn't there a barrel with dandelions and one with a berry bush ?

Mangrove doesn't really have any use with the huge bamboo

And the other thing is a coconut tree, but I think coconuts will only be traded

[radiant heart]

yes, also pine,bramble and bamboo

[radiant heart]

Mangrove is for the fruits not the wood, it's an emergency wood but basically you want the food from it

[radiant heart]

so we could get bananas ? 🤣

missed all that on the first one, did a sunken one... it looks amazing

animation on the treb looks ok, not exactly how it should move from an engineering POV but it's not glitchy

just misses the "basket" at the tip of it and the rocks flying away

[shell fiber]

I think it looks somewhat natural, maybe a bit wobbly ?

[radiant heart]

it's just the last part that is not natural and feels a bit odd but unless you know how a treb works and look at it carefully it's working no problem

[shell fiber]

Actually that's a good idea, I was missing something to trade with the jungle beavers I think

[radiant heart]

like the animation after the trow is a bit too stiff,

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-i-am-the-smartest-man-a-live-gif-8196999

[shell fiber]

Hmm 🤔
Well I did Google a tiny bit trébuchet videos to get the launch angle correct, I'll see

I also asked chat gpt to calculate the ballistics for me 😅

[radiant heart]

angle and all is cool, just the "gets back to stable" animation is rough a bit, with all that inertia it would have to wobble a bit more

[shell fiber]

Ah yes

[radiant heart]

nice, wanted to see it hapen before hitting the bed !

[shell fiber]

I felt that it could use one more left right cycle of wobbling but I got lazy

[radiant heart]

Could do without an extra cycle but that cycle is too fast/doesn't go back and forth enough IMO

just noticed the basket is there, just not moving with the treb 😅

[shell fiber]

Might not be worth the effort tbh 🫤
Especially because when the arm is wobbling around the vertical, I need to animate the half attached bucket flailing around

Which I had done, but then unity did unity thing and it didn't look the same at all in game

[radiant heart]

there are more cool things you can do, just put it there in the "might happen one day"

(was about do hit the bed when you popped up, can't fight it anymore)

GN

[shell fiber]

GN 👍

[shell fiber]

Ahahah

Just though about something

I don't need to animate the bucket flailing around if I make it toss the bucket too 😂

[slow locust]

simple! MAGIC 🥳🤩🤫

[slow locust]

oh damn. didnt read further 🙂

[kind spire]

@shell fiber Quick question - is there any plan to reskin the power shafts for the White Paws?

Make them yellow and pink or something

[shell fiber]

well i should but i'm not sure the animations will work with the meshy thing issue

[kind spire]

I've got an animator script for it already if you'd like that?

it replaces the Mechanical Animator script and works with Unity animators

[shell fiber]

oh

then we most likely can do it

wait would that work with the water wheels too ?

[kind spire]

I could take a look at those if you'd like 🙂

shouldn't be too hard

[shell fiber]

that would be neat

but no hurry

right now i'm doing this

[kind spire]

Holy heck, that's something!

Ballons making a comeback? 😄

[shell fiber]

balloons had never left

but they were very far in the late game

now i want it to be more mid-tier

so i've lightened the structure, reduced the cost

and so on

[kind spire]

Nice one! It's such a neat Idea 😄

[radiant heart]

is the large baloon pad gonna stay and there will be one for mid-game and the other for late game or it's entirely moving ?

[radiant heart]

About the treb, is it the visitor and/or the worker that can take a ride in the basket?

[shell fiber]

well turns out i had an excellent reason to make that building how i made it, so i just reverted to what it was and lowered the cost

i fixed the animations too

[shell fiber]

only the worker actually

although i can probably make it so it can happen to visitors too using the beehive script 🤔

[radiant heart]

mhe, that would result in too much deaths i think

just was curious in case someone wants to send a specific beaver in the air 😉

[shell fiber]

ahah

[analog zodiac]

seeing sudden influx of notes going "beaver fell from the balloon" 😁

[radiant heart]

ballon is a drone i think for now so no beavers should die from that

[shell fiber]

well for that i need to get a beaver into the balloon 😅

[radiant heart]

poor little things, give them a parachute, don't let them become beaver sludge !

Trading with the canibal beaver could be dangerous tho

[shell fiber]

someone here reads my mind that's worrysome 😑

"XXX was devoured by cannibal beavers during his expedition"

[kind spire]

I'm gonna go ahead and crown @shell fiber as the king of funny death messages

[analog zodiac]

time for manned beaver flights

next stop - the moon

[analog zodiac]

god there is so much potential for funny easter eggs w this one tho 😁

can you write multiple potential death messages by balloon expendition? lol

[radiant heart]

since there are many type of expeditions i guesss each one could have it's own

[radiant heart]

the treb one really cracked me up

[kind spire]

Ditto, so so good

[shell fiber]

i'm not certain i can have beaver ride the balloon in a meaningful way yet, so let's not get too hasty

but if i can, yeah, i can likely put at least one per balloon

[radiant heart]

and you can make parachute n the base to avoid the deaths? ( well except for the canibals) 🤔

[shell fiber]

oh i didn't actually plan to have them fall off the balloon so no need for parachute

but they can be eaten by cannibals, get excessively drunk at an islandbeaver party, get enlisted in a strange folktail cult, being jailed by the Ironteeth for breaking some ludicrous law etc...

oh, i may have partially suceeded

on tiny detail though : kits can also ride the balloon

which means...

🤐

well crap

when a beaver gets out of the maps boundary due to riding the balloon the game crashes 😑

which is annoying but just means i need to fix that other beaver displaying issue

using a regular work slot otherwise woudl have worked just fine

[radiant heart]

can't the "worker" stay in the ballon base technicaly and just have a visual of a beaver in the baloon, so game won't see teh beaver actually leaving the boundaries?🤔

[shell fiber]

yes that would be the idea, but i can't get the beaver to actually display properly 😐

[radiant heart]

just let it roll without a beaver in it for now then i guess, if it works, kinda like the treb animation, it works but could have some fine tunning on a later date

[kind spire]

Would it be worthwhile having the beaver 'enter' the trbuchet (like a warehouse) and then have a fake beaver in the slot?

[shell fiber]

well there is also issues with having the beaver work the balloon because they leave their workplace during the night

which in that case would mean teleportation

[radiant heart]

can't it be stuck there while teh baloon is away, kinda like a builder will not go to bed with a log in hands, he's gonna dump it before going to sleep

[shell fiber]

i can easily slap a FT model though a meshy summon though, but that implies the ft come to trade, not the other way around

which is fine

[shell fiber]

yeah, there might be a possibility for that, i need to do some testing

[radiant heart]

can't wait for new ways to crash the game ! 😆

[shell fiber]

well nothing seems to work

attractions can force a beaver to stay in the balloon overnight, but being both an attraction and a workplace only works when you have a lot of enterable slots

for now that's how it's gonna be

no cannibal beavers yet

[radiant heart]

feels kind of right to have the other factions visit them since they are the new kids on the block 😉

[radiant heart]

Not sur eif i'm doing something wrong, the sequoia is not getting planted

[shell fiber]

Is the tree nursery in range ?

[radiant heart]

yes

tried a forester too, not getting planted

do I have to build the storage before they plant?

[slow locust]

make his workspace, his home?

[shell fiber]

No maybe I made some change I shouldn't have. I'll check this evening, hopefully most people won't have reached that point yet

I'll have to be more careful with updates from thereon I think, otherwise I'll be flooded with people complaining 😅

I think I'll make some sort of large update bulletin billboard to make sure people have the info 😅

[shell fiber]

I don't have any mean to ensure that, even the house optimiser mod doesn't work that way. 🫤

But it's okay, in the current state is satisfactory and functional, no need to flip the earth and sky just to get some funny death messages going

I think next on my checklists is to make the blueprints for the balloon trader, then rework the sequoia seeds item and recipe into "exotic seeds"

Then I can start working on stuff that uses giant logs, particularly the super deep mine shaft that goes on top of ruins

Oh and see what I do with the chemistry set. If I make it directly tradable with the balloon, maybe I want to ditch the quartz entirely, but if I do maybe I should find something else to give to the medium mine.

[shell fiber]

Or the current state of things can be just fine I suppose 🤔

But if I keep the current state of things, I needed to remove the broken glass trade with the IT

Which is fine

At least I'll get to use my wonderful high temperature foundry model

Yeah seems like a better plan

But then what do I use glass for ?

The large farmhouse upgrade is an obvious first pick

So is the tree nursery

I guess I can just go wild with deluxe watertight houses

With some sort of glass backyard that gives view on the dam's wall of water

[radiant heart]

let me do the complaining, think i'm doing a good job at it 😉

[radiant heart]

chemestry atm is made from quartz, just need the medium mine ( which is fine) putting it behind the balloon makes a bit too much micromanagment , at least for someone that didn't do 8~10 WB runs, the line is hard between hard and still doable for less expiremented players, now that you got the spotlight on the mod billboard early game can't have dumb bugs IMO ( and most are out actually from what i can recall0

ZZZ time, just seen what time it is

GN

Oups, i forgot, A mothat F ing big YAY for door voxel abuse 🤣

metal fall looking better everydays

out

[shell fiber]

You monster 😂

[shell fiber]

Yeah I think I'll just keep the chemistry set as is, so in effect it is locked behind gears, the factory, and the medium mine, si basically a bunch of science and no BP

Since methane is readily available

[radiant heart]

and medium mine, hated it at first but with a step back it's ok i guess

Aight, out for real, stop the ping for 10 mins plz so i can hit the bed 😉

[shell fiber]

You know that ladders are way more expensive than stairs right ?

I just had the greatest idea for fixing the relatively boring mechanical Waterpump

[analog zodiac]

i am intrigued

[shell fiber]

Water CANNON ! 😉

[analog zodiac]

these beavers will learn to fly and to use canons before they unlock the secrets and merits of the catapult, smh my head 😩

also re: trading w FT - i feel they'd be able to trade secrets about the wind, and how to utilize and harness wind power

#🤖mod-creators message

that, and more advanced techniques for growing crops

[radiant heart]

i know but far more efficient too, and stairs i'm at the point where i delete and replace by metal stairs for the buff

bots factory are starting to build up, just need to finish exploding the way for the shafts to power all that

[radiant heart]

well, not sure if it's just something broken with a mod i got in but sequoia just won't plant

Could it be possible to have the nursery also harvest? feels kinda sad deleting that building but it's pointless once the dandelion/berries/grape fields are done

[shell fiber]

i don't know what's going on, they plant properly on my end, so that at least should be fixed next time i update it, just pause the building for now

[radiant heart]

need the beds, went a bit over the top with flags and now i'm missing beavers 😅

feels strange having population issue but the other way around

[shell fiber]

today i reworked all balloons reciepes, next i need to make a bunch more items that work with them

[radiant heart]

so i sould prebbuild like what? 20-30 landing pads?😅

[shell fiber]

well there is five balloons, each have 2 reciepes, but one is luxury and the other is for progression stuff.

actually except for the exotic seeds, most will be bots damned souls related

anyway, got to go to sleep

[radiant heart]

GN

Btw looks like the press is not making juice with the grapes, only mush ...

[shell fiber]

Oh crap

Guess I made a typo in the recipe

Okay I'll fix that tomorrow too 😅

[abstract egret]

Good Morning, is there a guide for your Water Beaver faction? It seems that some buildings can't be placed. But since I play this faction the first time today, I am not sure, if I'm the problem or if it is buggy. (For example: the water dump requires to be build inside a lido, but I can't build in anywhere at all.) So, I'd like to do some reading about the faction.

[shell fiber]

hello !
hmm... sadly there's no good tutorial for now, but i should try to make one.
as far as i know there is no issue with the lido/waterdump, the slot in which it needs to be placed is indicated by a tiny blue flag in the lido, does that help ?

[abstract egret]

Hey : ) No, if I place it there the game crashes. The game by the way also crashes when you place a normal water pump but you're on cheat mode ^^

[shell fiber]

do you have other mods active ? particularily mirrored buidings ?

[abstract egret]

yes

I noticed I have to be carful with that

[shell fiber]

oh, nopenopenopenope

[abstract egret]

I didn't use it

[shell fiber]

this mod is not compatible

oh

hmm...

[abstract egret]

I'll deactivate and uninstall it and try again

[shell fiber]

i have the game on hand so 'ill see if something went wrong but i don't think so

[abstract egret]

Ja indeed, it doesn't crash now that I have the mirrored building mod uninstalled

By the way: You did an AMAZING job with the design

[shell fiber]

ah, good.
no issues on my side

[shell fiber]

oh, thanks 🙂

[abstract egret]

And I can personally confirm the brambles are growing the same fast in my garden as in your mod XD

[shell fiber]

ahahah 😂

i only have weeds, but they are equally out of control

i'm going to push an update soon if you're interested.

but there is a moderate risk of kaboom

[abstract egret]

Well, I crashed the game 5 times this morning due to the incompatibility. I'm not afraid of kaboom

right now I'm playing the mod, but also cheating a bit, because it is difficult to understand all the co-dependencies. I shall see what I can do to help with the guide.

[shell fiber]

i'm adding in the mod description that mirrored building is specifically not compatible, i think many people assume it's an IU mod and should work, but i really have no idea what's inside

and you're like the 7th person who has issues with it 😅

[abstract egret]

Ja, it makes your buildings totally glitch out

Which is sad, because it is the one best mod this game needs XD

[shell fiber]

i think it's not that of an issue

especially with this mod

with the FT and IT it is useful mostly for a few select buildigns notably the waterpumps i think

but here you have incentive to build a nice straight line of pumps, so being able to flip them becomes unnecessary

everything seems in order with the new version...

[shell fiber]

2.2.2 update uploaded !
i kept it hidden for now, just in case it's buggy, test it at your own risks !

[shell fiber]

If you want to try the latest version, it's set as 'hidden' in mod.io but you can get it if you click on "see other versions"

@radiant heart : when you test the newer version from thereon, can you try to just update without clearing the previous install ? i suspect most people won't know that so it would be great if you could tell me if that works or not. of course i'll try to be careful about this issue but it's hard to tell and i have to clear staging too often when adding stuff.

[shell fiber]

I posted a video tutorial for the mod ! enjoy !
I'm gonna be a youtuber now 😎

[queen oyster]

Just started playing white paws today. Dumb question: how do i get tar to build the farmhouse upgrade?

[radiant heart]

tar is made in the alchemist

[radiant heart]

I always try update first but it almost never works and i have to delete and reinstal the more up to date version

it worked once in a long time

[radiant heart]

can't be on hidden if you want me to try update instead of destroy old folder 😉

2-tall storge is not updating too now, got to delete and reload .... "Access to path C... denied", same as when i try to update the WB without deleting the old file.. like mod manager can't delete the old version

[tawdry bronze]

In modmanagr To updated select the mod and select from the list 🤔

[queen oyster]

Need chemistry set to finish alchemist but i have no idea what happened to it. I have a warehouse designated for it but the warehouse is empty.
I demolished the supply cart hours ago. Idk what happened to the chemistry set.
Any ideas?

[radiant heart]

since it's hidden gto to go from mod.io, it doesn't show up on mod manager

[tawdry bronze]

Are you sure its not that its not the live version?

[radiant heart]

maybe it's already in the building and you're missing other materials?

[queen oyster]

Nope

Checked that

[radiant heart]

did you prioritize the rubbles from the kart? maybe it's still on the ground

[tawdry bronze]

And you have not deleted piles?

[radiant heart]

live is 2.2.1, not 2.2.2

[tawdry bronze]

Ya so select 2.2.2 from the list when you open the mod description in modmanager

[queen oyster]

Yeah i did. Pretty sure it all got picked up. Pretty sure i never deleted any piles from the cart.

[radiant heart]

that's strange, otherwise you can make some in the factory but it's a bit far down the road...

actually might be locked by the alchimist don't remember the path to it

[radiant heart]

I see it now, my bad tought it was not on the mod manager when not live

[queen oyster]

Factory requires tar, so yeah

[tawdry bronze]

Its just not the version it mass update to 😉

[abstract egret]

@shell fiber The water beaver video really helped. I'm still trying to figure out the balancing for housing, population, jobs, science etc. The faction looks amazing, and there are a lot of co-dependencies that challenge the player. Some maps don't work well with this faction, but now water maps are much more interesting. I didn't have time to try the latest update today. I was stuck deep cleaning my kitchen.

[radiant heart]

well, shit... that's strange...

[radiant heart]

balancing is quite a mess, took me 2-3 runs to get the start running smooth

@shell fiber trying to load 2.2.2 crashed my game ( during the download, didn't even get to open it)

[abstract egret]

Yes, there are so many benches on this mod, I wish one of them was a 'watch the clouds pass bench' and it gives you like 1 science 😄

[queen oyster]

Also, how does the factory require an anvil to build, but it's the only structure that makes them and there was only 1 to start with which was needed for the ironworks?
But you need the ironworks to make the metal fastners which are required for the factory?

[abstract egret]

Yes, that's where I am stuck right now as well

[radiant heart]

It's a shitty trick lapantoufle pulled on us, gotta store a bunch of fasterner, destroy the primitive ironwork, grab the anvil and make another one to rebuild it

[abstract egret]

LOL, I thought maybe there is one in the shipwreck, just like the book for the library?

[radiant heart]

actually got passsed that point before it became a thing on my last run so didn't have to do that struggle, gonna be for next run

[queen oyster]

Side note. The. Log gnawing station makes WAY too much sawdust. I can't keep up with the storage requirements

[abstract egret]

And not enough planks, it's a bit unbalanced

[radiant heart]

make a burner ( in the metal seciton)

[abstract egret]

it gets more balanced with the sawmil

[radiant heart]

or make fast groth shrooms

better make shrooms then just burn it but have a burner built in case of excess

make paper also 😉 think I have like 6-7 gnawing stations on my curent run and burner is almost never on

[queen oyster]

So with the alchemist, I'm screwed and have to restart or find an early enough save?

[abstract egret]

if the woodburning would at least be usable for regenerative wood-pellet-energy ^^ of be good for the bubble bath or the cooking tent ^^

so environmentally unfriendly 😂

[radiant heart]

suggested back then to have the burner make a bit of power but it nerver happen, maybe it's still in his mind but not a priority

[queen oyster]

Cheater mode meaning....?

Tf is "strg"?

Ctrl?

[abstract egret]

no...the other left....

[abstract egret]

interesting keyboard, I recommend a vaccuum

[radiant heart]

Before i ran on laptop i was getting keyboards at the dollar store and just toss em away when too sticky/dirty, now i can't so eat/drink while gaming is a bit of a No,No

[abstract egret]

I'm way too cheap for that. I regularly clean them with a brush. Sometimes also with Q-Tips and acetone.
My old cherry keyboard I would disassemble and put it in the dishwasher. Sadly that's how I lost the F12 key. It's inside the radiator now....

Rest in pieces...for real....

[radiant heart]

sawmill=more pop tho, those "not a house" building become more and more usefull as you go on

[abstract egret]

yes, the houses and haulers combination is a tough one.

[radiant heart]

playing that faction made me realize how much haulers are valuable tho ( and on that one a must, don't wanna spoil, you'll find out when you get there 😉 )

[abstract egret]

I mean I'm using haulers in the other factions, but I believe with this one it is much more important due to all the ingedients

[radiant heart]

some buildings actually don't work if you don't have haulers since no beavers work in there

[tawdry bronze]

While downloading did you not click on anything while its downloading(if you click it crashes!)

[radiant heart]

nope, just deleted old 2.2.1 file and it loaded perfectly, lapantoufle always had issues with the file "updating" since U4 except once it worked and nobody understood why that one time it was ok

[tawdry bronze]

🤔

[radiant heart]

well, @shell fiber V2.2.2 didn't mess up my previous save too bad, only issue is the rework of the nursery, it's now not connected anymore... other then that everything looks ok ( for now), well, it's not only not connected anymore but also flooded even if the top door is in the air... it's bye bye time then

Looks like the issue with 4-5-6 bridges is fixed too

[queen oyster]

New dumb question.
Where the hell are the explosives in this mod? I can't find them in any of the menu categories.

[abstract egret]

off topic question...why do we all have different coloured names? Is this some discord function?

[queen oyster]

Idk how i didn't see that. Lol. Thanks

[abstract egret]

same?!?

[radiant heart]

Yw

[radiant heart]

no clue about that one

[abstract egret]

help me again with that anvil please. My primitive ironworks just doesn't build. Didn't you say there should be one initial anvil?

[queen oyster]

When you destroy the cart (after building a district center), there is an anvil among the rubble

[abstract egret]

Ah, well...that's ...creative

[queen oyster]

Why does my sawmill not have power? Water is flowing, the wheel is spinning, what gives?

[queen oyster]

There's a bunch of special items in there

[abstract egret]

I believe the houses don't transfer power through walls?

[queen oyster]

Yeah that fixed it

[radiant heart]

Exactly, buildings receive power only from that point

gotta look carefully, plugged my shafts in windows a few times 😅

Kids are done napping, pool time, bbl 👋

[queen oyster]

That's kind of obnoxious

(The power thing)

[abstract egret]

Have fun : )

[radiant heart]

didn't like it at first too but you get over it, ( flywheels work with the WB so more shafting = more power storage)

[queen oyster]

Are any of the platforms stackable in this mod?

[radiant heart]

nope, but later you got terraforming that is not locked behind bots

[queen oyster]

That's pretty annoying early game

[floral copper]

Hi all, I'm using the mod for the first time today 🙂 I'm struggling to make Kimchi. The fermentation barrels do not produce anything. In red there is the text "Set storage barrels to 'request goods' and prioritize to allow storage"

However, in the storage menu there are no storage barrels... where can I find those damn things? 🙂

[radiant heart]

it is but you get free of science logstairs that are quite usefull ( and IMO they look awesome)

[radiant heart]

it's the "tanks" same as you use for water

early on it's a bit hard to make the kimchy since beavers are gonna eat the raw cabbages before they get to the barrel, once you get a bit more source for food it truns out better ( more haulers helps a ton too)

[floral copper]

ah thanks, good to know! A little bit confusing to call them storage barrels there lol. I found it now 😋

Cheers!

[radiant heart]

true, maybe @shell fiber can change the description so it's a bit more claer

[queen oyster]

Yeah but that doesn't help when you need to go up 4 or more levels

I can't figure out how to get sunflower oil. I'm sure it's simple and I'm stupidly missing it, but...

[radiant heart]

the press makes it, and need a fuckton of seeds since beavers like to eat them, might wanna drop in some billboards to help theyr need go down slower( i always forget about those when playing but they help)

[radiant heart]

need to make a funky assortment of the buildings 😉

[radiant heart]

well, call me crazy but think it's time for another hard mode run... anysuggestion for a map? i'm thinking waterfall but at the same time i'd like something a little bigger but not crazy hard 🤔 gonna give me some reasons to complain and stress test the balance for real 😉

lol, coal is an issue cauz i forgot to prioritize the dirt management ( aka terraforming project)

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber sequoia still not beeing plant, is there some magic trick that has to be done to get it planted other then the square planting thing and marking it as planting?

[shell fiber]

Good morning !
Thanks for taking care of the forum while I was sleeping 😊

[shell fiber]

I thought the tree nursery didn't connect ?
But I'm really confused now because it works just fine on my side

[shell fiber]

The easiest way might be to stack a bunch of pit and ladder lodges until your high enough, of you can deal with the extra population 😉

[shell fiber]

Yes you're crazy 🤣

[shell fiber]

It's related to how many messages you've posted on the discord

[radiant heart]

Good Morning, need someone to keep up the fort while the grand master sleeps 😉

[shell fiber]

Just stupid question you planted giant sequoias in this cradles right ? Not pine trees ? 😅

[radiant heart]

I ain't that stoopid 😉

[radiant heart]

the door on the top used to be the one managing the "flooded" status, and yes it connected, kinda like the librairy is a "ladder"

but since you removed the little walkway around on the second floor it doens't work anymore

[shell fiber]

Can't say for sure but if you cancel a building while a beaver is carrying an item for it, he will bring it back to the storage, but if the storage has been changed to another resource the item will just vanish from his hands

[shell fiber]

Oh yes that's because the glass cage/ walkway is an upgrade now 😉

[radiant heart]

well, i don't have that version yet i guess 😉

[shell fiber]

It's in village structures

Might not be the best place though

[radiant heart]

and that is sequoia right?

[shell fiber]

But it's sort of platform-ish soo 🤔

[shell fiber]

Looks like it

[radiant heart]

IMO a cool thing would be to use the "more groups" thing, like the farm is now a tab and on top you have the farm itself and the upgrades beside it

[shell fiber]

That's weird

[shell fiber]

More groups mod ? What does that do ?

[radiant heart]

basicaly what you are doing with the storages, menu is now 3 layers and it's easier to find waht you want

I'm a big fan of that one, my OCD likes it a lot

[radiant heart]

you said it last time and it helped out balancing stuff a lot so... 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

I'll take a look

[radiant heart]

would be super cool, like you don't need to search for the farm upgrades all across the place, they are right there with the building and it's easy to see what it does so... ( like the nerd shack, don't have to think about ooking in wellbeeing, it's right there with the other options for the farm upgrade)

the power one could sure use some shrinkage, specially with the flywheels in !

like windmills, 1 on the secoond stage and after you get to pick from all the windmills

didn't try the mod but it gets shafts together too

DAFUQ?

and the claw is a bench too?

were you drunk last time you modded ? 🤣

eu... the nursery upgrade is there ok, but the base building... can't find it ( might be blind tho )

and even with the upgrade it's not connecting anymore

not flooded tho

and they are not planting bamboo anymore... gees, yuo said 2.2.2 would be at my own risk but... at least it fixed the 4-5-6 bridges, won't complain, just find shit that broke 😉

[shell fiber]

Ahah, no that's a weird thing, in order to get the icon for the blueprint recipe you need to load a building that has it (or load it as an item icon or something) so I made bench duplicates as icon holders

[shell fiber]

What ? Wth 🤔

[radiant heart]

could those benches do something special ?

like a "chilling time" well-beeing bonus?

[shell fiber]

They do absolutely nothing just like benches

😅

[shell fiber]

You deleted the previous version right ?

[radiant heart]

used them sometime just to look cool but actually having a buff tied to them would make them releavent not only a " let's do that shit cauz i got a hole and nothing to drop there"

[radiant heart]

yes. had to

[shell fiber]

What the f... It's going on ?

[radiant heart]

update still doesn't work and had the same issue with 2-tall-storage, had to delete to update

[shell fiber]

🫤

[radiant heart]

told Knatte earlier today and was confused too about what would cause that, maybe ask the devs at that point? it's free to ask and nothing to loose

[shell fiber]

I would assume it has more to do with the way the modmanager works

[radiant heart]

Why can't I place a path on either of those?

( and having a path on the left would not let me place the bridge

[shell fiber]

You should 🤔

[radiant heart]

tell taht to the mod maker 😉

[shell fiber]

I guess there's still some weird occupancy issues 😅

[radiant heart]

that's what i tought

at least they can be dropped on platforms now, gonna be a 2.2.3 or + fix i guess

[shell fiber]

I guess so

But I need to try to replicate your issue with the tree nursery because that just doesn't make sense

Oh also can you try something ? When you pause a house, are inhabitants still kicked out as usual ?

Like yesterday I had a Waterpump that was flooded, but beavers where still living inside

[radiant heart]

yes

[shell fiber]

Fine I guess

But then I paused it and that's didn't kick them out

😓

[radiant heart]

dang, that was confusing alright, tried to make a forester and found all that stuff, might wanna change the icon

[shell fiber]

Oh

Well I though people would look for the forester first so this icon would be best

[radiant heart]

i get it for new commers, just gonna have to get used to it i guess, makes sence

just FYI, tried also dumping a forester nearby, and they also don't plan the bamboo

would be curious to see what was the first version of the WB i played, seems like ages ago

[radiant heart]

Although, artist and copyist would feel more appropriate in the "science tab"

[shell fiber]

That is kind of true

[radiant heart]

i try to be constructive a bit, not only complain you know 😉

[shell fiber]

But it is also a village job

So are the architect and mechanic actually

[radiant heart]

everything is a village job 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

Yes 😅

[radiant heart]

( trying to find a way to say "blue collar" in beaver ways)

to replace "village job"

[shell fiber]

Menial labour ?

The problem with the categories is that you always can think of 2-3 way that all make equally sense

[radiant heart]

i get it, maybe some newer player to the mod could give an input on that one, to a fresh eye something that Fs me up could be really claer since they didn't play 5-10 runs on those

sooo... thaT's a good point to do a ping everyone and see what comes in ? 🤣

on the bright side, now grape juice works so wine is getting in shortly!

[shell fiber]

Let's avoid that, I feel like half of the people are not actually around 😅

[radiant heart]

probably gonna need more production to get everyone drunked up tho, 2 beer factories are not even close to enough

328/384 on beer atm ( are kids aloud to have booze?)

that would bring it down to 328/363,

anyway, gonna let you do your magic while I sleep and crash my game a little more tommorow 😉

Have a good one

(booze should not help thirst tho) 😉

GN

[shell fiber]

They are clearly French beavers 😉

[shell fiber]

Why not? It's still mostly water 😅

GN !