Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

no meat

i checked

[radiant heart]

lol

[shell fiber]

any soft plant matter is fair game but no meat in any form

not even insects

[radiant heart]

surprised about that one, tought they eat the insects on the wood

well, today i learned

just an idea also, I've really come to enjoy the pumps that you can dump straight into the water, would it be complicated to get that as a standalone mod for the other factions? I guess some ppl would like that

[shell fiber]

seems quite nice to me

[shell fiber]

you mean like the bot-operated pump in knatte's water mod ?

[radiant heart]

no, just the actual pumps of the WB

they can be in 1deep water without beeing drowned and it's quite cool

[shell fiber]

oh i missread your message

well i could

[radiant heart]

it's nice alright but gonna be a nightmare to place if i get it right

[shell fiber]

nah it can be placed on flat ground, the support legs are purely visual

[radiant heart]

kk, i see, tought it was like the mine that you need a 2 hight clif for the "house part" and then the terrasse had to be 2high

[shell fiber]

no it's just because it would feel wrong to have it just hanging above ground

[radiant heart]

now i look at ppl playing and i'm "why the F don't they just put the pump in the river?" 🤣 and then my brain connects

[shell fiber]

although the large beams would be sufficient as support

but even with the wb it's better to put it on the riverside

to make a dam wall

[radiant heart]

that's gonna be a later thing, early on it's cool to use natural mini lakes in the river when it dries out

didn't have much time to play lately so the run is not super far, think i was in the 70~80 beavers range yesterday before hitting the bed

[shell fiber]

nice 🙂

i try to make my towns plannign for the long run

like thinking in advance how i'll dam the whole river

[radiant heart]

i drop some buildings ahead and put them on low priority for the "future dam" actually messed me up a bit since had too many builders and not enough projects, it ended up flooding all my crops 😂

[shell fiber]

i guess now i need to wait for @stone halo to have some free time to help me with the tobbytools mod not working and i can add in the tutorial

[shell fiber]

oh right, so about that, i could but honestly maintaining a bunch of mods is quite a drag

i prefer to avoid it

[radiant heart]

then just don't 😉

so used to the watertight buildings now, can't get my mind on the right track to play without those

thanks for messing up my brain🤣

[shell fiber]

Muahah that was my plan all along 😅

[radiant heart]

Happy days, didn't need to delete the folder before updating from mod manager!

glad you fixed that, I don't mind since i'm used to it but for the average player sure is a nice quality of life thing right there!

ladder still doesn't work tho, didn't you give @tawdry bronze the script to make it compatible?

And did tobbert update the shafts to make it work or it's now native in the WB mod?

and i lied, it was 90 beavers 😉

and might wanna give a little boost to all gravity batteries since flywheels are in, batteries become kinda irrelevant

[heavy lodge]

Put this in the specification folder of ladder mod !

[radiant heart]

thanks, just would be nice if it's implemented in the actual mod so it's a tad more user friendly for ppl that don't wanna mess around with that 😉

[heavy lodge]

If Tobbert has not enough time, what can I do ?

[radiant heart]

exactly what you did 😄 thanks

oups, toughtknatte did ladder since it's similar to staircase... sry for the ping i guess

[heavy lodge]

this in the specification folder of vertical power shaft mod ....

[radiant heart]

with all that vertical building, i don't mind using the log stairs, they look pretty cool but in some cases i'd really like the ladders

vertical shafts are working

at least i have the option, didn't try to build one yet, not making gears still, but on previous runs it was working

[heavy lodge]

It cannot, at least not for WB since was no definition for WB...

[radiant heart]

well, they are there

but i did something wrong, ladders are not there

[heavy lodge]

It means that you have the definition from someone ...

Ladder are in path groups

[radiant heart]

i know but in the sub menu they don't show up

got the curly ones and the metal ones ( icons not updated but who cares) but no ladder

[heavy lodge]

You must have the more group mod, to be in staircase group

or , staircase mod ?

[radiant heart]

i run very limited mods since WB don't like much of them

got stairs and ladder on but only stairs are in my options, ladders are not

[heavy lodge]

YA, delete the factionspecification, waterbeafer from ladder and put this in the specification folder of staircase mod ...

[radiant heart]

do i delete the ladder folder?

[heavy lodge]

No, just the factionspecification.waterbeaver.json from specification folder of ladder mod

[radiant heart]

alright, let's see if i crash!

didn't crash but ladders are still not in

[heavy lodge]

It seems that it need to add dependency from ladder to staircase in order to work, but, better not to mess with that

[radiant heart]

How about merging the mods? would that be too complicated?

it's all staircases afterall, would make sense to have it in one bundle

[heavy lodge]

No, just send to me the factionspecification,waterbeaver.json from water beaver mod !

[radiant heart]

don't find a file with taht name

this?

[heavy lodge]

No, it's in the specifications folder

[radiant heart]

or this?

there is something in the "extra specifications" sub folder with a subfolder called "ladder" but discord won't let me send it

[heavy lodge]

Put this (replace the old one) in the specification folder of water beaver mod

and, put back this in the specification folder of staircase mod

[radiant heart]

alright let's see

game didn't even load... gonna delete the WB and ladder and try again

give me 5

error repport if you wanna look it up while i delete/reload

wow, ladder was way down there, been a while since it received some love

downloads in progress

[heavy lodge]

Ya, I forget a "," Sorry 😬

[radiant heart]

don't be sry for helping me 😉

[radiant heart]

that's the one that goes where?

[heavy lodge]

Sorry for you. Don't have to delete water beaver and download-it again 🤣

[heavy lodge]

specification folder of water beaver mod

[radiant heart]

got some catch up to do on the download counter, missed a week remember 😉

alright, if i didn't mess up it should work, let's go !

there was some red text about greenudon but that's some sheninanigans @shell fiber is playing with, rest is white and yellow, game loaded, waiting on the opening

Thanks!

now just need for next update to F it up i guess 😂

[heavy lodge]

or, send again the file to add ladder ...

[radiant heart]

would you DM me the 2 files with the where plz? gonna be easier next time since update will most probably F it up

That pumping wall gonna look so cool with ladders !

[heavy lodge]

I need the FactionSpecification.waterbeavers.original.json from the updated water beaver mod, in case that something new is added into the mod

[radiant heart]

shit, gonna be a short night I guess 😅

[radiant heart]

well, you know who's in charge of that 😉

[heavy lodge]

[radiant heart]

gonna look even better with the pump upgrades but not there yet

love the way the bridges work with the WB, wished the dev of the game made them like that

@shell fiber med beds still 80 science 😉

[shell fiber]

For this layout the overhang platforms are much better 😉

Also it's not very obvious but if you go in the specifications folder of the wb mod, you should find a zip file containing extra specifications for ladder, paths extension and staircase mods

What's the message about green udon ? Did I forget the lock key ?

[shell fiber]

Your inventor will stand too low in regard to the pump upgrades

And I think you could use a nice pass-through house in that big wall of houses 😉

[radiant heart]

ain't pass-through a 3x3?

[shell fiber]

No it's 2*3 you're mixing up with the bridge house

I think

[radiant heart]

still need 36 science to open that one up and the barrel is not cooperating tonight 😦

reached 100 pop, almost half is haulers, barrel is prioritized and still... not here to complain but that one sucks...and yes i got the ingredients available

[radiant heart]

it's temporary, once i can make dynamite, i'll swap it for a pump

[shell fiber]

You need the inventor for dynamite ? 🤔

Gears needed for the screwpress?

[radiant heart]

the way the groun is on the other side i can't put a pump( well, i could but only would go one deep, dumped the inventor there and once the hole is blasted on the other side will bring in the pump to replace it

might be able actually to blast low enough for a 6 deep instead of a 2 deep, not sure tho

and it's not watertight apparently

and let's get stoopid with the pit tanks! kinda sad the covered ones don't store about the same if you stack 2, maybe a plank edition of the covered one so 2 stacked can store more then one pit? afterall gonna need to acces 2 places instead of one, more trouble should give more space IMO 😉

[radiant heart]

and ... softlock, waiting game starts since science is a pain in the ***,

time for micromanagment of the barrels

but not tonight, i'm done for the day!

[shell fiber]

How do you manage to get softlocked ? I usually get science running at 50 beavers quite easy.

Not that it runs at 100% all the time though but still

[radiant heart]

on the bright side, library won't be a run killer since it doesn't consume anything due to the barrels 🤣

[shell fiber]

But you manage to unlock the mechanics to you have science

[radiant heart]

took forever, got 4 barrels, prioritized and still one worker in the library eats it up too fast

[shell fiber]

Generally my first 500 points go to paper, platforms and so on

Not enough salt ?

[radiant heart]

nope

[shell fiber]

Not enough cabbage ?

[radiant heart]

is the cabages that don't come in quick enough but i got some in the warehouse

[shell fiber]

So let's grow more cabbage 😉

[radiant heart]

that's what i've been working on for the last 2 cycles

even braised cabage storage is overflowing

and half my 10 farms are cabage prioritizeed...

[shell fiber]

Maybe the fact that Beavers can also eat sauerkraut as regular food is a problem 🤔

[radiant heart]

at that point i feel like it needs a little balance work

[shell fiber]

More sauerkraut barrels 😉

If you have a hundred beavers eating one every 4 days

That's 25 per day

[radiant heart]

most food transformation make more then the input normally, cabage+salt is a 1 to 1 ratio on that one, maybe make it 1 to 1,5?

[shell fiber]

Which is more than 1 barrel produced

[radiant heart]

got 4 barrels atm

like the half receipe making 30 instead of 20

[shell fiber]

I think most food recipes have a ratio of 1:1.2 at best

Except the deluxe stew that has a bit more

[radiant heart]

not sure for everthing but potatoes are a 1 to 4 ( and the 0,1 log)

[shell fiber]

That would make for way easier and other recipes wasteful

[radiant heart]

for FT

a wheat too is way above that

[shell fiber]

Yeah but the amount of potatoes you get per day and per square meter is balanced around it

Wheat is insane yes

But it requires 2 transformations

I have an excel table with those calculation,

[radiant heart]

that's 2 transfo also, cabage to sauer to science

😉

[shell fiber]

Ahah

Yeah but it's actually allowing you to "mine food" since salt is effectively food

[radiant heart]

IDK, just think that science should be a tad easier, been tempted a few times to use cheater mode and drop in a 1k science just because it's taking forever

like 2h of gameplay at 2x speed and barely made 75 science...

at least half receipe of sauer stuff seems to be working properly, 4 barrels are running

[shell fiber]

Well it's kind of intended to be slow and resource intensive

[radiant heart]

or maybe just have another building to cook it faster a bit? ( that cost only like 10-20 science)

[shell fiber]

If you could just unlock everything

That would be rather pointless

Well more barrels = more per day

[radiant heart]

at that point it's not about unlocking everything, it's about unlocking one thing 😉 i get it it is about the road not the destination but i rather have some HP under the hood, not running an old mule that is about to die

[shell fiber]

Which is exactly why I wanted this kind of slow recipe in small things tout can build many of

I'll think about it, but it's kind of meant as a factorio like system : you need more of A but then B becomes the bottleneck, so you make more B but then C is the bottleneck and so on and so on

[radiant heart]

totally agree, but i think that bottleneck is just a wee bit too tight to be enjoyable

gonna call it a day, too bad the pumpingdam is not done but i need some sleep, later 👋

[shell fiber]

GN 👍

Where's the water supposed to go ? 😅

[radiant heart]

there is a branch on the river on the right of the right hill on the image, gotta keep some suspense 😉

[shell fiber]

Nice

[radiant heart]

out

[shell fiber]

hmm...i had made a silly mistake in one of the mechanic's blueprints

also i think that the farmhouse would be so much better if it didn't hvae that crappy small yard in front

but then i should recheck the amount of space the large farmhouse takes

hmm...

[shell fiber]

i'm also considering making the pit & ladder lodge house only 1 family

and one job

because it is mostly useful as a towering thing

i kind of want a variant that has no side doors just so that it looks later when you're just piling up but don't need a side exit

[shell fiber]

i think there's still something wrong with the sauerkraut barrel

[radiant heart]

before closing yesterday the half receipe looked like it worked

[shell fiber]

i hope that's not going to be a problem with the mechanical drill and so on

because they consume goods for maintenance

so they need deliveries

[radiant heart]

i'm a nit far from the drill will let you know when i get there

[analog zodiac]

pokes head in how's the mod coming along?

[shell fiber]

it's going well 🙂

i think the early game is mostly finished

i'm reworking the mid-game

now playtesting it

i just added drill bits as a core for a bunch of buildings

of course as consummable for the big drill

and as construction material for the aquifer pump

because you need to dig a big hole

[heavy lodge]

But, change the unlock faction to IT, maybe with 20 wellbeing, afterall, it's the hardest faction yet 😮

[shell fiber]

well the issue is that it need to be triggered once the mod is installed

there's no looking back on previous games

so if you want to play that mod, you shouldn't have to play 20hours of IT first

[heavy lodge]

I know, that's the needed wellbeing is only 20, you'll have to unlock playing vanila 👹

[shell fiber]

that's not the point, if i want to buy an ice cream and the seller tells me to run a marathon first, i just don't buy the ice cream. i want people to play the mod not welcome them with a "go away" message.
especially if people don't like the IT.

and personnally i like the ressource management and town building, i really don't care much about the wellbeing

so 20 is a lot for me

[heavy lodge]

Good point, indeed ...

[shell fiber]

But if this faction was integrated into the base game, sure 🙂

[heavy lodge]

But, will lose you as modder (will be dev then) 😁

[radiant heart]

if you want them to build faster need a better well-beeing 😉 early game i think it's capped at 10~ish atm as long as you don't break the kart

[shell fiber]

just remembered that, and yes, definitely

flywheels are much stronger despite losing power over time

i'll probably x4 or x5 the amount of power

basically i want a tiny one place 4 or 5 meters up to be worth 4 or 5 batteries

hmm

but that's a whole crapload of power

[radiant heart]

it's a crapload, yes but got to fill it up

ok it's free when you build it but afterwards need to fill it up

[heavy lodge]

You can take a look over the realistic behaviour mod, I've doubled the amount of energy stored per tile ...

[radiant heart]

since there is no more making platforms to the sky each bloc higher is well earned

[shell fiber]

yeah, true

[radiant heart]

IMO balancewise, 1 battery ( the shitty one) at 4-5 high should have enough to power a 50hp building for the lenght of the drought, maybe make them a bit pricier but would need less, at some point it's not really pleasing on the eye to have a gizillion batteries everywhere

(considering the 9d max drought on normal, not a 30 one on hard, that would need 3-4 batteries)

[shell fiber]

i'll probably eyeball it 😅

2.1.12 uploaded

(accidentally hit enter) 😅

pretty happy with my poop

[radiant heart]

glad your blatter are healty! and your pop looks good too!

[shell fiber]

should be a nice dam

[radiant heart]

question, how can a shower be flooded?

[shell fiber]

hmmm

philosophical question

[radiant heart]

IMO it should still work if water lvl is not higher then one

[shell fiber]

but will your berver need a shower when they are in the river ? 😂

[radiant heart]

apparently yes, or going in the water removes filth?

[heavy lodge]

Question, why a fish must be washed before cooking ... Comes from water, no ? 🥳

[shell fiber]

yes, just swimming around also removes filth

[radiant heart]

Is a hot dog a sandwich? and ketchup a smootie ?🤔

[shell fiber]

is the ocean soup ?

[radiant heart]

kinda, but a cold one ( don't remember the name, mexican cuisine got one of those)

That makes me think how about tomatoes if you're looking at more food options!

[heavy lodge]

with all oil tanker, is a dirty soup 😬

[shell fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLHl9smuTCU

i should go to sleep soon, i have a date tomorrow 😉

[radiant heart]

GN and have fun !

[heavy lodge]

Good night

[shell fiber]

oh, well before i go to bed : which one of those two icons feels best for the drill bits ?

[radiant heart]

second feels like old starfox graphics on virtual boy !! I prefer the first one

[kind spire]

Interesting, I would have said the first, but to be honest it’s a close call

They’re both great!

[radiant heart]

there could be 2 types of drillbits someday and both could be used, idk

one for the drill and one for the water extractor or something like that

[radiant heart]

Just a tought, maybe walking/working speed for the builder lodge instead of carrying cap? or a mix, with optimized housing i don't see a real need for having many district so the walks are getting long for our poor whitepaws 😉

The farm upgrade looks AMAZING!!! well done sir, well done!

@shell fiber How about getting the treated planks back in? some cool stuff that works with the faction require it like the frog statue and the flywheels 😉

I know there is always cheater mode to build it anyway but rather not have to 😆

[shell fiber]

Didn't I give this recipe to the refinery or something ?

[radiant heart]

i don't see any building that can do it

and with 10 barrels running half receipe on sauerkraut science is kinda working 😅

How about making a place like the gnawing station but less workers and diffrent awning? ( for treated planks)

really like those "tent" buildings, we got a shitload for dams, might wanna make more open air places 😉

[radiant heart]

kinda confused, remember we talked about forester upgrades, is it in or it's still a WIP?

cauz mine could sure be a bit more watertight!

farm upgrades are a tad annoying tho, when it's assistant farmer they pop up the "nothing to do in range" quite often... do they need theyr own crops to remove that? ( if so, i'd say tomatoes! )

[radiant heart]

How about a MKII bath/shower that does both depending on water lvl? 🤣

[shell fiber]

Well I really think treated planks are a trash resource that shouldn't exist so I don't intend to give it any use, I'll probably slap it on the alchemist or foundry (that will likely be renamed "factory") but that's just to allow for other modded buildings or things I've overlooked

[shell fiber]

I'm seriously thinking about making homeless beavers refusing to work (at least once their "shelter" need is depleted) and so that it doesn't affect the early game the mine kart would emit a shelter aura in a large area

and to compensate i'll make some crappy tents / barracks to house homeless beavers (but no breeding)

this is mostly because it feels not very nice to make 40 beavers suddenly homeless as soon as the drought starts by stopping the water pumps.

[heavy lodge]

But, you can force the need to sleep to be full before wake up, even if they sleep outside. Since outside that need take longer to be fulfilled, having "homeless" beavers will be harsh ... 👹

[shell fiber]

hmm... i didn't think about that...

i think beavers will sleep litterally anywhere if their sleep need reaches zero

[heavy lodge]

Something like this. But, will need to add dynamic specification as dependency

[heavy lodge]

The idea is to sleep longer if don't have a house. Sleep ouside is not comfortable 😄

[shell fiber]

wait that's what "satisfy to max value means" ?

i thought it was a tickbox to have the need filled instantly

if that's so, it's quite interesting indeed...

i'll be streaming a bit now

[analog zodiac]

@shell fiber how long you gonna be streaming in voice chat? might join later in an hour or so

[heavy lodge]

That means, for dwelling, as example, that beavers won't leave the house at starting working hours, but, when sleep need is full ...

[shell fiber]

no particular plan

i'l probably still be there in one hour

[analog zodiac]

okie-dok fam, i'll see ya around!

[shell fiber]

i may have done something both amazing and ridiculous

[radiant heart]

tell me more !

[shell fiber]

give me a moment, fixing some other nonsense

[radiant heart]

mm something happened, can't reload last save ...

[shell fiber]

previous one ?

did you update since ?

[radiant heart]

nope

loading 2.1.12 as we speak

first is 2.1.11 crash, second 2.1.12

(timewise, they uploaded on the in the oposite order)

trying with older saves just in case

maybe something to do with the file @heavy lodge gave me so the ladders work 🤔 still it was working fine last time I played and updated nothing before the first crash

had to roll back 3 cycles but it loaded

all ladders vanished tho

[shell fiber]

yeah there was a problem with ladders

but i don't know what it was

there's something just bonkers in this game

i just spend a couple hours fighting agaisnt that

sometimes you change one minor thing and the game craps itself

do i have ladders loaded in my playthrough ?

don't think i used any

i had this idea like "would be nice if beaver could just walk on the backside of the architect's house, too bad it's too smooth to climb"

and then this

anyway, plenty enough for today

[radiant heart]

thing is it worked with ladder , closed the game, changed nothing and when i came back to it it wouldn't open....

[shell fiber]

😓

computer logic

[radiant heart]

kinda sad, was getting to a point to test the drill...

[shell fiber]

how far back did it send you ?

[radiant heart]

the save i found that still works send me back 3 full cycles, and have a fuckton of disconnected buildings since ladders vanished

[shell fiber]

i see

[radiant heart]

guess i can fix a good part of it fast by cheating my way into double platforms but some stuff will require more thinking

[shell fiber]

well you can remove the ladder from the specifications and load the last one in all likelihood

[radiant heart]

if i just disable the ladder mod maybe, gonna give it a try

[shell fiber]

not entirely shure though

did you have medium grav batteries build ?

[radiant heart]

nope, using flywheels 😉

[shell fiber]

OH for fuck's sake

i made a micro change to one plant and BOOM crash

[radiant heart]

lol

at least you changed something, i did nothing and boom crash 😉

[heavy lodge]

But, the latest version of flywheel is not what is auto downloaded by mod manager 😮

[shell fiber]

well i won't upload today then

GN

[heavy lodge]

GN

[radiant heart]

GN

[radiant heart]

it auto downloads now? tought you had to ask for the download

and nope, disable ladder didn't work it still crashes

[heavy lodge]

No, I mean if you open mod manager , on auto update will download not the latest version ...

[radiant heart]

? not getting what you mean

[heavy lodge]

latest version is 0.8.16, but, mod manager see version as string, so, will download 0.8.8

[radiant heart]

with ladder diseable even the save that they vanish won't load anymore... guess it's time for a new run...

[radiant heart]

i'm at 0.8.16 with flywheels, never had issue with those

my guess is something with the way ladders saved and try to reopen, can't see anything else the would cause the crash since I changed nothing

[heavy lodge]

Lucky you, not what happened to J C the Beard last night ...

[radiant heart]

shhhh no spoiler, gonna watch that later 😉

mm, looks like ladder spec for WB is gone from the folder, kinda strange since i didn't update or download it...

Would you be kind enough to resend me the file plz?

[radiant heart]

that's the one for the ladder folder right?

[heavy lodge]

That's enable ladder on WB

[radiant heart]

didn't i have one to put in the ladder folder also?

[heavy lodge]

it add-it to faction specification

No, there is nothing to add

[radiant heart]

alright, let's see

so it puts the ladders in the mod or i still need the ladder mod turned on?

[heavy lodge]

No, you need to activate the ladder mod

[radiant heart]

and... crash

this is with the latest save, gonne give a try with the one that worked sooner

[heavy lodge]

Wait to download the WB

[radiant heart]

it's already downloaded, sould i roll back to 2.1.11?

[heavy lodge]

No, in the specification folder you have an archive containing the needed file for ladder to work

[radiant heart]

dang, deleted the wb folder to load 2.1.12, so that archive is gone

i'll reload 2.1.11 and see, trying too many changes at once ain't good to find where the issue is

[heavy lodge]

this file must be in the specification folder of ladder mod

But, you need to send the mod.json , to add the dependencyes

[radiant heart]

the mod.json from the WB?

[heavy lodge]

YA

[radiant heart]

send it to you?

[heavy lodge]

here

[radiant heart]

i'm back on 2.1.11 so the one you already gave me should work

well it doesn't ! here you go

[heavy lodge]

Here it is

[radiant heart]

thanks

and crash....

[heavy lodge]

Try to uninstall tobbytools

[radiant heart]

uninstall or simply disable?

[heavy lodge]

Remove

[radiant heart]

oki doukki

🤞

nope, crashed again

[silver phoenix]

to be honest, these icons are a bit abstract. without any context I wouldn't recognize them as drill bits. I'd like to suggest something like this https://cdn.iconscout.com/icon/premium/png-256-thumb/drill-3316116-2778255.png you can alter the shape of the ground to resemble the shape of your drill

[radiant heart]

and tobby tool is now listed in the depedencies of the WB ( at least on the mod manager not in the mod.json file tho

[heavy lodge]

Ya, I've downloaded the WB (latest version) and, guess what ... An extra "," in mod.json 😮

Wait, I have to put together all mods to work and will send to you the whole plugins folder....

Shit, must unlock WB 🤣

[radiant heart]

so i delete the WB files and reload the 2.1.12 ?

[heavy lodge]

Wait, I will send to you the plugins folder when I finish

[radiant heart]

the whole pluggin folder ? with all the mods and stuff?

[heavy lodge]

YA, to be sure is working

[radiant heart]

cool, thanks a lot, really appreciate the effort 🙂

be back in 15~ish, gf is back with the grocery, will help her

[heavy lodge]

OK

[radiant heart]

nice, looks like it works! hope it opens my previous save

[heavy lodge]

I don't know, hope so...

[radiant heart]

🤞

[heavy lodge]

But, uploading to Mega is a pain

[radiant heart]

too large to just send in DM?

[heavy lodge]

500 Mb, zip file

[radiant heart]

lol

[heavy lodge]

62% ....

90%

[radiant heart]

bottom menu looks way better like that, all stairs combined is much cleaner

[heavy lodge]

You have the file

[heavy lodge]

I like how it looks the power group at mine 🤣

[radiant heart]

engines? lapantoufle dropped them back in or it's you? 😉

[heavy lodge]

No, it's IT play

[radiant heart]

kk

unzipping

[heavy lodge]

here is the path group . I can build even slopes in game

[radiant heart]

nice, but dirt is a bit far down the road, at that point you have the stairs anyway, or i'm missing something

well, crashed trying to load previous save...

[heavy lodge]

Not with the dirt mod .... It's early in game ...

[heavy lodge]

Try a new game, to see how it works

Can be something wrong with WB mod itself....

[radiant heart]

WTF???

[heavy lodge]

What ?

Don't supose to be so ?

[radiant heart]

got 2 WB faction to pick from, right one crashes the game, let's see the left one

left one too...

[heavy lodge]

Power of WB is 2 😮

[kind spire]

WhitePaws²

[heavy lodge]

You have something more in the plugins folder then I send to you ?

[radiant heart]

had WB V2.1.11 but deleted it... deleted everything and gonna try again

[heavy lodge]

what I send to you is 2.1.12

[radiant heart]

yeah, i mean in my plugin folder i had the 2.1.11 but deleted it before opening maybe there was still a trace somewhere so I ended up with 2 WB, the .11 and the .12

[heavy lodge]

delete all files from BeepinEX\cache folder

[radiant heart]

ok, now i only got one in the selecction menu, still crashes with old ( before deleting the cache)

new game loaded at least, guess my old run is a gonner 😦

maybe since flywheels are not in your package and i hed some in place🤔 will give it a try

looks like not? see anything in the error log that could solve it?

[heavy lodge]

YA, replace the file in specification folder of staircase mod

[radiant heart]

🤞

still won't, but it's strange, in the stair file there is double specks there... is that normal?

[heavy lodge]

Nope, the error is from WB mod, this time

@shell fiber must see what is about with that

Just play the new game until then

[radiant heart]

maybe later, spent my playtime trying to get that to work 🤣 Thanks for the help, hope lapan can fix that one later

[heavy lodge]

The specification is not doubled, it exist the meta file ...

[radiant heart]

not exactly sure how that works, my modding skills are not really existant so, if you say so i'll beleive you

[heavy lodge]

Me neither, so 😄

[radiant heart]

Holy shit it worked !!!!!!

My guess it's either florist or farm upgrade that messed up with the going from 2.1.11 to 2.1.12 since the save that has those not built yet work ( and ladders are there thanks to todor )

alright, let's build them one at the time see which one crashes the game

guessing the issue was already there in 2.1.11 tho since i didn't build any of those prior to that save and never reopened

farm upgrade is a succes ( assistant farmer)

sry for the spam, using this as a reminder also to what i tested and not 😉

Nerdy attic is next, then florist

[radiant heart]

nerdy attic : check and it's the issue

game won't reload with the nerdy attic built

@shell fiber nerdy attic prevents game reload, here is the repport

gonna try florist too just in case there is a double trouble but need to get the kids in bed and eat something first 😉

[radiant heart]

and yup, pre-nerdy save loads no problem so the attic is clearly the issue

[shell fiber]

Good morning !
I see there was a lot of troubleshooting while I was sleeping, sorry for that 😅
I'll check what's wrong

If you're confident the nerdy attic is the issue and want to reclaim your previous save, go in the main WB faction specification and find the line that ends with "FarmupgradeC" (likely in the "town stuff" paragraph) and delete it or comment it out by adding // in front.

Then save changes and try to load your save

[radiant heart]

still didn't try the florist, confirmed one issue wanna be sure there are not 2, anyway at that point main thing i lost is dynamite production, not a big deal

maybe 1-2 ideas but gonna have new ones it's ok

like that hill was flat

[shell fiber]

There's a higher chance to be the florist I think, I don't remember what I changed last time

Still it's weird that it started crashing despite your changing nothing

[shell fiber]

Water barrels in the river... You monster 😅

[radiant heart]

never reloaded a game with attic built, it's not when you build it it crashes, it's when reopening the game and one is buolt

[shell fiber]

Did you find the Extra specifications I left in a zip file ?

[radiant heart]

love my pit tanks in the middle of the road !

[radiant heart]

guess not, only uploaded with mod manager. but todor setted me up this afternoon

[radiant heart]

florist loaded no problem 😉

[shell fiber]

Grumpf

😐

[radiant heart]

and shrooms are planted with that huge tic tac toe frame

[shell fiber]

Oh

I see what your mean

[radiant heart]

side note, for now only thing keep big farm relevant is the pumpkins since i know they are supper effective but for a first runner the upgrade makes it decently

[radiant heart]

is there any 1x1x? watertight building?

would be cool if sauerkraut was not required for BPs since it's already a hot mess for science 😉

(and the "nothing to do in range" for the farmer helper) guess it needs it's own crop like all other farming stuff to get it out

[shell fiber]

Yes that's what I thought with my playthrough, the farm upgrade already has a pretty good pop/worker ratio so I think I'll boost the large farmhouse but it will also get other crops. Probably rice at the very least but I'll see.

And yes I made an other decorative plant for the farm upgrade yesterday, but that caused a good two hours of head bashing and the only solution I have is to kill the assistant farmhouse and add in a clone with a different prefab name 😑

Let's hope that's the last time I get caught by this issue

[shell fiber]

The log levee and tall log levee ?
I thought about making a crappy 1x2x2 damhouse but that seems like a very unpleasant place to live (and that would call for a top entrance variant)

For the large farmhouse I'm thinking one less family (3 families, 6 workers +boost)

Or keep 4 families but increase to 8 workers + boost

Which would be double the amount of workers for the same footprint

I also exhumed the old mushroom farm building (stackable) but that will be a red blueprint

It's a 3x3x3 building with 3x2x3 watertight part that would make food so it's the kind of think you can build a hundred of

[shell fiber]

Also contains a walkway

I think it's going to consume both logs and sawdust to make shrooms

Possibly dirt too

[heavy lodge]

and water.... it's a must !

[shell fiber]

Oh well that goes without saying 😉

I kind of feels this faction should have mangrove trees too, but they will also be for an advanced building

Note that I have enough room for one more architect and one more mechanic's blueprint

[heavy lodge]

maybe cofee, too ?

[shell fiber]

I also want them to be taller and bigger

For deeper water

I though about coffee and I think it nicer to just trade it with the balloons 😊

I need to give those a rework eventually too

They provide waaaay to many haulers

[shell fiber]

well, i officially have no idea what was the problem.
there's no issue with the nerdy attic as far as i can see, and somehow my unity stopped complaining about me changing stuff in the plants so... that's good i guess ?

[tawdry bronze]

@heavy lodge hmm maybe is better to do a seperate mod with all mods needed and any specs needed to use with WB. Example "Water beaver compatibility patch" that has the mods needed as req in mod.json and on mod.io and a Specifications folder for any changes done😉

Should be possible

[heavy lodge]

And, if someone don't want ladder or staircases ? Of curse, it can not use then, but, not sure if it is an option ...

[tawdry bronze]

Hmm if they dont want ladder or staircases they cant disable those no but they can chose to not use em.

[heavy lodge]

Trouble is that we do not have an optional dependency. It is possible that a json to be loaded before the original one, and, this mean trouble ...

[tawdry bronze]

Hmm what changes have you had to do? Add it to load for factions and move them?

[heavy lodge]

Not too much. Completed the dependency in WB mod.json to be sure that WB is loaded last and added correct WB factionspecification in dependency mods.

Not touching the factionspecification.original in WB !!

[tawdry bronze]

Thinking if i maybe can update my mod with the stuff🤔

[shell fiber]

well we could put the specs i have prepared in your mod 😉😉😉
the ones about staircase and path extention i mean

[tawdry bronze]

hmm have to find them an other day then

[heavy lodge]

but in the specification for staircase is missing 2 stairs ...

This is the compete one

[shell fiber]

But they are just visual variants right ? I think one copy is enough

[heavy lodge]

YA, but @radiant heart has a crash because those 2 are missing ...

[shell fiber]

I can send them to you again
If you had time a variant with the right color palette would be neat too but it's not vital

[tawdry bronze]

will take a few days before i even have time or energy 😦

[shell fiber]

In principle you can not have crash because of a missing prefab, that was likely not the issue

[shell fiber]

No prob

[tawdry bronze]

if its in the save and then removed then you can get a crash
because if removed something above becomes invalid = crash

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , see this #1070709592176197642 message

[tawdry bronze]

also not that in staircase mod i move the ladder to a different subgroup the same can be done by you for the subgroup 😉

[shell fiber]

Yes I made those specifications too, with the staircase mods (or is it path extension ?) I have my log stairs placed into the stairs subgroup and my custom bridges in your bridge group

[tawdry bronze]

🙂

[radiant heart]

so i should expect to lose my save?

[radiant heart]

just a watertight storage to plug the gaps in the dam/terrain

[shell fiber]

Well that's always the same issue : anything watertight that you can build without severe restriction makes everything else irrelevant.

[shell fiber]

I think not but honestly these bugs are so much BS that I have zero understanding of what it okay or not. Like I have a large farmhouse build since quite a while, I modify it to add two more workers (total 8) start the game and my last save crashes no matter what I do. But if I load an other save that is one cycle early it's all good. What the hell ? What changed ? Nothing ! This is absolutely nonsense.

[radiant heart]

a tier 2 producer that consumes both sounds nice, i like the "mush farm" model that is a standalone mod, that could be the tier 2 and the 3x3x3 the tier 3

[shell fiber]

Honestly my best bet at this point is that I still have a inventory need behaviour on some low priority building that corrupts saves every now and then 😑

[radiant heart]

just remove the nerdy attic for now i gues then, other upgrades are working fine

[heavy lodge]

You can change worker amount using dynamic specification. I never loose any save this way

[radiant heart]

ruth rho, game not loading

[radiant heart]

same here nut usually has to be 3 cycles back

[shell fiber]

Nerdy attic is working fine for me too though 😑

[radiant heart]

today's fun...

[shell fiber]

Sorry ...

It happened again ?

[radiant heart]

if levees could be built on the side of a levee at minimum, they could only extend natural thing, not plugging holes in nuildings and at the price they are... it's not an "easy" way out

[radiant heart]

not sur ewhat's the issue tho

had to go 3 saves back, lost only 20 days tho, made frequents back up

OOOO, i see, might be the lumberjack house

[shell fiber]

Just build houses 😉

[shell fiber]

What ?

[radiant heart]

sometimes the land is wonky, need a 1x1x1 or 1x1x? plug to make it fit

[shell fiber]

I'll try to avoid modifying existing stuff but I really have no idea what is going on

[radiant heart]

that's the other new building i had in progress... was built on last save

[shell fiber]

Then dynamite the blocking part 😉

[radiant heart]

still used to not having terraforming so i'm verry cautious about what i blow up since there is no going back 😉

[shell fiber]

But that doesn't make sense, it's just a reshaped flag

[radiant heart]

kinda like why does the nerdy attic crashes my game and not yours

[shell fiber]

There's definitely something random in this, I need to look it up

It's gotta be some behaviour that got duplicated because the buildings are perfectly fine

[radiant heart]

gonna build it up at 3x speed, save and see, and then it's GN for

[shell fiber]

Permanent issues doesn't let the game crash

I'll try to find what's wrong and upload this evening

Now that I think about it, having the farmhouse upgrade have an extra storage seems a very bad idea

[radiant heart]

my wanna see with todor, he made a sweet chunk of compatibily work with other mods and like knatte suggested to have that in there. Just some quality of life thing

[radiant heart]

why,?i really like it, can remove the small shitty warehouses by the farms

4 planks and i'll see if it's the lumberhouse

[shell fiber]

Try to save a second before it's finished too

[shell fiber]

Well yes but since the building also had an inventory from its farmhouse script, that makes three same thing having two inventory scripts, which can understandably make a huge mess

I'm only taking about the assistant farmers upgrade the others should pose no problem

[radiant heart]

well, nothing wrong with it yet

got 3 of those and they work perfectly

Lumber house crash repport

and i'm out, GN

[shell fiber]

Well that was the issue with the inventory need behaviour script. The game can roll with it no problem, but it causes nerves to have duplicate tasks. I suppose when the finish one the duplicate disappears but if you save while the duplicate exists in the beavers talks lists, that creates a state that the game cannot load saying "multiple matching elements"

At least that was the issue before and I suspect the same thing to be happening here

I'll check the lumberjack house too

[radiant heart]

mmmm, file prior to the lumber house is crashing tooo......

[shell fiber]

Ah !

No worries, you can only do so much from your side 👍

[radiant heart]

anyway, got to hit the bed, back tommorow for more "WTF is going on"

[shell fiber]

aaannd, first try !

found a crashing save

removed the stockpile property of the farm upgrade

now it loads fine 😎

i increased the farm output inventory to 150 to compensate though.

[radiant heart]

guess the files that loaded properly had the upgrade empty and if it had something it would crash when reloading

is that it?

[shell fiber]

2.1.13 uploaded

no if there was something in the upgrade, it will likely be deleted

the game is really not bothered by stuff disappearing as far as i've experienced

but the zauerkraut barrels are still dysfunctional

i suspect this is actually a priority issue more than a bug

when a buidling is empty, the priority of the "fill me" order is 1 (because it is 100% empty) , but when a barrel contains 36 cabbages and 0 salt, is it 90 full, so the priority of the next filling is 0.1

hence it never get to the top because litterally anything is more important.

so for now i tried to put the salt first, but i'm afrait that might not solve the issue

the barrels will get stuck when you run out of salt

because they will get filled with cabbage

which is also why you can restart the thing by emptying it

[radiant heart]

gonna have to try that later, need to get some work done first 😉

I hope it doesn't mess up the ladders too, todor did some work to make it happen, would be nice if it still works, hope it's only gonna need a update of the mod.json file in the V2.1.13

[shell fiber]

uuuh

if the specification file for adding ladders to the WB is in the ladder mod folder, there should be no issue

[radiant heart]

there is one in the ladder folder but he also modified the mod.json in the WB folder

[shell fiber]

uuh

don't modify the one in the WB folder, it will be a pain every time i update

give me a sec

this is to be placed in the ladder specification folder

[radiant heart]

think he mentionned something about making it a depedencie, guess it's not a biggie if it's not there, right? like you can have mods that are not depedencies anyway , right?

[shell fiber]

well yes, but ladders are not vital for this mod to work and i don't want to force people to have them

so it's not a dependancy

but vertical power shafts are absolutely necessary

so they are

[radiant heart]

as long as tobber doesn't put the specification in the actual mod can't really make it a must anyway, it would simply not work

[shell fiber]

well no if i decide it must be in the mod, i can make my specification file call for something in his mod, that works just fine

but then if you don't have said mod, the game will crash

so it's all or nothing

[radiant heart]

🤔

[shell fiber]

anyway, i want go to bed a bit early today

[radiant heart]

IMO they are pretty essential but that's just me, i basically use logstairs or ladder 🤣

GN

[shell fiber]

well... they're nice, but they're a bit too strong actually

anyway, next thing i need to do is fix the sauerkraut thing... or remove it entirely

gn 🙂

[radiant heart]

at least removing it from BPs would be nice since it's such a pain, maybe if it's fixed get it back there but for now it's already a hot mess for science

[shell fiber]

Should I take the lack of complaints as everything working ? 😅

[radiant heart]

just sat down

[radiant heart]

does that fix the farm upgrade issue or I should not upload yet?

[shell fiber]

Should fix it

They might have disappeared though

[radiant heart]

alright, upgrading right now 🤞

[shell fiber]

But you can summon them back with cheat mode 😅

[radiant heart]

is sauerbugger out of BPs too?

[shell fiber]

Nope

[radiant heart]

nan, just gonna complain in here, you know the drill!

[shell fiber]

I might revert to kimchi actually, I want brambles more useful

Plus too many recipes in the small mine is annoying

[radiant heart]

maybe make salt a tier 2 for food and only medium mine can get it?

[shell fiber]

But I want to also work on adding the custom mangroves

[radiant heart]

output gonna be just stoopid tho if it's medium mine 🤔

i like the idea of salt for food, would keep it there for now, maybe another stew in the small coocking tent that gives another bonus and uses salt🤔

guess i still need to delete previous folder

if you make the ladder a depedencies, can you alter the price of them at the same time? tought if it's one scafolding, 4 planks and 8 fastener it would make it ok~ish for how effective they are

🥳

Upgrades are gone ( rambling complain, rambling) but it loaded and everything else is in place

and got to unlock them again with science that requires a buttload of sauerbugger..... aight, cheater mode is on but only to get the science back 😉

does the decorative from florist and upgrade give a boost for ppl walking around or really just a way of getting rid of the "nothing to do" alarm?

feels like floris is useless with the assistant farmer tho, got plans for the future for it? otherwise, it's not really releavent

[shell fiber]

Just to get rid of the nothing to do mark

[shell fiber]

Yeah it's quite useless at the moment

[radiant heart]

would be cool if they had an array of buff kinda like the bush, or maybe like the beehive, one or the other so they have a purpose

[shell fiber]

Maybe I can just get the model from tobbert's mod and make my own variant, I would need to talk to him but I think he's on holidays or something, he's not being very responsive lately

[shell fiber]

At the moment it's not something I can do

[radiant heart]

tried to ping him a few days ago, no return yet, he's busy IRL i guess

[radiant heart]

or just that they give something, IDK, maybe for some BPs? like you need the decorative plans for the large farmhouse would make sence at the same time to lock the large farmhouse behind at least one farm upgrade, otherwise one could just skip it

[shell fiber]

Oh it's okay to skip it I think

But the idea of having the deco plants produce something for blueprints is not bad

[radiant heart]

too bad my architect is already in place, the back stairs is a pretty sweet add-on!

[shell fiber]

You can rebuild it you know 😅

[radiant heart]

yeah but not sure where, might actually build 2 to make scafolding faster

[radiant heart]

nerdy attic still has a storage, should i delete or it's fixed ? 🤔 tought you said the storing in the upgrade was the issue

[shell fiber]

It was only an issue because the farm part also has an inventory, the other upgrades don't so they're fine 👍

[radiant heart]

let's see....

and....

3

2

1

....

YAY !

decorative plants look really cool!

what is "nice view"? got a few with that but not sure what gives it

[distant wigeon]

What's this about decorative plants???

[radiant heart]

the florist and farm upgrade can plant decorative plants so you don't have the "nothing to do in range" alert on those

power upgrade in progress!

[shell fiber]

It's a buff to wellbeing given by the irrigation tower, I was thinking about doing more with it but I kind of left it there for now

[radiant heart]

cool

just dropped a 2 more towers so it will boost me a bit more!

and gave up on sauerbugger, turned on chest mode but try to go at the beat "i feel like" it should be comming in 😉

[shell fiber]

To bad it still consumes far more water than a lido😑

[shell fiber]

Oh right, I fixed that yesterday

Went back to kimchi

[radiant heart]

maybe drop it to 0.5 per hour? and can you extend the range? would make it more releavent then the lido irrigation

[shell fiber]

Should work better

[shell fiber]

I don't know if I can actually, I think the script wants a round number

[radiant heart]

don't you have something like that on wood in some places they consume 0,1 or something ?

[shell fiber]

But if I really want to I can make fertiliser or something that is made with a 20:1 ratio with water

[shell fiber]

That's for recipes, you can specify how many recipes I've unit of fuel last

[radiant heart]

and the "farm upgrade" could be the fertiliser maker, makes sence, and if they are full they help gathering

[shell fiber]

Hmm... No if don't think those functions could coexist happily

But I'll think of something

[radiant heart]

une "bécosse" google that 😉

old log toilet ppl used to have

[shell fiber]

Yesterday I made the copist and artist bigger because they are not super useful, so at least they are good dam blocks

[radiant heart]

lol, just deleted those 2 because they were not high enough for my project 🤣

[shell fiber]

Be careful what you suggest, I might add a "poo" need and use that for fertiliser 😅

[shell fiber]

I have them walkways too 😉

[radiant heart]

make ladders mandatorry and we got a deal 😉

[shell fiber]

Actually as soon as you start to build a big-ish dam ladders become really necessary really quick

[radiant heart]

honestly, i'd remove regular stairs, keep the log ones, ladder and metal/curly

log ones look soo cool, IMO it should be the only way until mid game

[shell fiber]

I wouldn't go that far, regular stairs are one of the things that push the player to make planks because you want them

[radiant heart]

you need a butload of planks for everything else already

[shell fiber]

Well you can build logstairs when you want to save up on planks then 😉

Wonder if I should add hemp and ropes to the game 🤔

Any excuse to add more types of watertight houses is good

[distant wigeon]

....can I see them?

[shell fiber]

Basically i'm using this asset pack
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/vegetation/mushroom-land-1035

i can make more flower variety

[shell fiber]

i just found a pretty nice coconut tree too

better than the one i have

i also have grapes and a lemon tree

if i find the motivation this next few days i'll make a custom plant reader (for playing) an add extra plant to the all crops plantable mod

[shell fiber]

the rice and big mangrove trees are supposed to be in water though (the big mangrove is okay between 2 and 3m deep)

[shell fiber]

OOOh, i just had the best idea !

some very big tree, but the trunk in heavy stackable so we can put overhangs on the side 🙂

could do with the giant sequoia too though

hmm...

maybe i should get to work on that

[radiant heart]

Nan i build logstairs because they are cool ! nothing to do with rss managment ;P

[radiant heart]

not sure if the beavers will start trying to smoke it tho... rope is cool but at some point I feel it could become too much, there is already a lot of stuff compared to the regular factions, there is a braking point where it just will be too much IMO

Unless you have a lot of use for it, like clay, ok you need some but it becomes irrelevant quite fast since you don't need that much, maybe having a thing similar to the packing plant that consumes it or idk but basicaly it was on for 2-3 cycles, now reserve is full and it's never getting used

[shell fiber]

yeah it's true that clay is not that useful

[radiant heart]

IMO it could be a basic material for ground only stuff like it serves as fundations

or for "plugs" like if you have a hole to patch in a super dam project, not sur tho how to make it work that ppl can't just make monster clay dams 🤔

had to rework a whole dam project just because of a 1x1 gap and finaly just did it in another place since there was no real solution

like if levees could be build on and beside watertight buildings but not levees could that work?
I get what you want to avoid but try to figure out a way to have more flexibility

[shell fiber]

problem is that there is only three types of support : ground, heavy stackable (watertight) and light stackable (non-watertight) so you can't specify next to heavy stackable but not next to itself if it is heavy stackable.

[radiant heart]

so basicaly anything that is 1x1 could serve as regular levee, right?

[shell fiber]

well only if i make it watertight 🤔
i'm not sure i understant what problem you're having, i've made the log levees specifically to give a tiny bit of terraforming ability to fill some pesky 1x1 spaces

[radiant heart]

in the pilling of the buildings, ended up with a 1x1 gap between to buildings and could not place the dam on top

the whole was not close to the ground so i could not drop in a levee and on another instance since the ground was 2 blocks high and i wanted a 1 high levee it didn't work either

like that for the second issue

the hole i had in the dam simply didn't work because the levee is ground only

[shell fiber]

ah i see

[radiant heart]

to do something like that

[shell fiber]

well in that kind of situation the easiest is simply to dig out the last dirt to make a 2x2 hole and then place a house inside

more houses ! 😅

[radiant heart]

lol, but that would be cheating, the bottom of the river is not accessible 😉

[shell fiber]

it's only up to you to make it accessible 😉

with those nice ladders 🙂

[radiant heart]

that area is already a cluster fuck anyway decided to make something nicer on the other side 😉

[shell fiber]

ahah

[shell fiber]

but that's also why i made buildings that have their entrance on the first floor

so that you can fit them in a hole like this to complete your dam

it is kind of a clusterfuck indeed 😅

[radiant heart]

need to rework the paths once dynamiting the mountain is done

[shell fiber]

what did that mountain ever do to you 😅

[radiant heart]

nothing, but need the land for farming, my beavers are on the edge of dying from hunger, actually think i lost a few due to that

if i have to pick between the mountain or my beavers, the choice is easy, bye bye mountain

[shell fiber]

i had an idea for the clay, i think it should be used to make metal fixations (molds), but also anvils and whatever

[radiant heart]

you mean for the fasteners?

[shell fiber]

ah, yes.
sunflowers are really inefficient as a food crop

[radiant heart]

they are there for the oil not the feeding mainly

got to get on the aquafarm so i can start making the super cool coocking tent

[shell fiber]

what does the aquafarm has to do with this ?

it is so useless that i was about to remove it

[radiant heart]

need it to unlock the rice

i'm dumb, this one doesn't require rice

[shell fiber]

but rice is used in the fried rice reciepe

yes 😅

[radiant heart]

but i was a bit too efficient at removing brambles, now i'll have to replant some 🤣

[radiant heart]

dam, now i don't feel like working and want to fix my food situation.... 😆

[radiant heart]

Oouf, was the unlock of more alchimist always that deep or you reworked it to make it a higher tier to get? don't remember needing that much stuff just for a set

[shell fiber]

the alchemist used to be slightly less complicated but i've modified it in my current build by giving the methane reciepe to the barrel (now fermentation barrel)

but the chemistry set or whatever it was before was always intended to be made in the factory (formerly smelter)

i'm working on putting the grapes back in, somehow my brain worked out the solution while i wasn't thinking

oh i forgot the size randomizer

aren't those nice rows ?

(they are planted by the large farmhouse, and so is rice)

okay, enought for today

gn !

[radiant heart]

looks cool can't wait to see with actual grapes grown in them, !

GN

[radiant heart]

Why do you do this to me... double platforms can't stack over llog platforms 😦 sad time in Pinkertown ....

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber would you mind fixing science before the next thing? 😉 don't like living the cheaters way but that sauerfuckthing gave me no choice

[shell fiber]

yeah i'll push an update today

you'll need bramble flowers though 😉

oh, turns out i did'nt ever bother to remove the grapes item

[shell fiber]

Hmm... I'm thinking about removing clay entirely...

If I add it to many things just to make it useful it probably will feel forced, and make too many things to supervise (planks, logs, gears, scaffolding, fixtures) which means more reasons that can lead to production halting.

[radiant heart]

good, it's a really interesting mess you created but didn't push it to what it could be IMO 😉

[shell fiber]

Well sauerkraut is not working because of how the game engine handles priorities for hauler deliveries. Basically any building that requires lots of A but a tiny amount of B will face this issues UNLESS there is a beaver working full time at the building in question

So my backup solution would have been to make an intermediary "sauerkraut mix" item made in a manned workshop (for ex handicrafter) and then the barrel turns that into sauerkraut

Which would be nice in that it makes an excuse for a watertight house

[radiant heart]

why not just make the sauerfucker in the small coocking tent? would give clay more usage since ppl would need more tents and there is a worker in so it would run steady?

[shell fiber]

but sauerkraut is made by fermenting cabbage, not by cooking it, and i want to have this type of small buildings running reciepes.
don't worry it will be better with the next update

[shell fiber]

so i made the berry juice more interesting to make, now it requires water but you can fill more betty need with berry juice that with raw berries, which means less will be eaten and more available for science

i (at last) made the proper icon and item for chestnut flour

i added "red soda" which is a drink made from bramble flower

i (at last, again) added the coconut milk reciepe and item, but it doesn't fill more coconut need, it's going to be a cooking ingredient

[shell fiber]

added some dandelion tea

basically i was thinking that there was little to no variety in drinks

[radiant heart]

cool, and can we store those drinks in tanks or it's only in the press like the carrot/berrie juice used to be?

[shell fiber]

nah i made them storable because i'm so nice 😉

i'm about to update too

i've made a squewer-type overjang platform

that can extent other platforms once

or itself once

but it costs metal blocks which is quite expensive

[radiant heart]

i'm not making much metal yet, should start soon to try the super drill!

can't wait to try the one out, it looks sooo cool

[radiant heart]

florist is cool but kinda pointless with the farm upgrade and large farmhouse, any plans with that one?

[shell fiber]

i gave it a nicer overhang that allows to place a curly stair and go on the top floor

but otherwise it is supposed to plant decorative stuff, so in essence it will always be useless i'm afraid 😅

2.1.14 uploaded !

[radiant heart]

Loaded ! do they eat raw grapes or it has to be processed somehow? And they require the large farmhouse but are planted by the forester? kinda confused on that one

And crash...

it crashes when you hit the "prioritize" in the large farmhouse, tried it again and it causes the crash

[radiant heart]

Wow, you said low output but that is crazy low for the hobby gardener... think it could use a little boost, either produce 3 each or just faster prod

[radiant heart]

look like mechanic lodge rolled back to a version where it's not watertight

[radiant heart]

Something is up with the screw press, the worker got stuck ...

21 cycles in!

suggestion : would be nice if the "plug" for power on the buildings was a bit easier to see, turns ou i plugged my gristmill in a window not the actual plug on the second floor 😉

florist bugging, says not connected even tho it is

honestly you could just get rid of it and bring it back later if it serves a purpose but with the farm upgrade and the large farmhouse... it's not really releavant

[radiant heart]

Path doesn't look like it works, and can't pu a bridge on the is the bridge thing intended?

[radiant heart]

Grapes are causing lag big time when you click them

same with wine cellar

Whine Celler got a "prioritize tab like the large farm that also crashes the game

[shell fiber]

ah, right, this stupid issue again...

[shell fiber]

i'll see, but it's meant as a way to prevent soft-lock, it's not really supposed to be efficient.

[radiant heart]

lost the module thing on the big kitchen? why? Now it's more lelevant then never with all the things you added to food, still not getting why the tea and the soda are not press things but... let's say i builded too many press just because...

[shell fiber]

okay, i fixed the florist and wince cellar

[radiant heart]

and mechanic?

it's back to non-watertight

[radiant heart]

This

and grapes are not beeing picked up

or it's only the cellar that can pick them up?

grapes need some adjusting to be less confusing,
1-need large farmhouse to plant ( need it to unlock or the large only can plant?)
2-it's in the bush/tree tab, so is it the forester that plants it? ( I know it's not, did a test)
3- Harvest?

[radiant heart]

Stuck there, won't build any further

even if i use cheater mode and tell it "finish now" nothing happens... and that was my last test for today!

GN

(BTW, mountain is gone )

[shell fiber]

the mechanics is watertight, there's no error with that i think it's your setup that cause water to fall direclty on top of it

[shell fiber]

it's planted by the large farmhouse but harvested by the wine cellar

but yeah, it's a bit weird

[shell fiber]

uuuh... i've spend too much time on that crap

i'll just make the grapes plantable by the forester and harvested by harvester's flag

i wanted to do something more interesting but it's complicated

and i've been modding too much since yesterday

need to unwind and just play for a while

2.1.15 uploaded

[radiant heart]

so they eat it raw?

[shell fiber]

oh, ah, yes

it's a crappy food, but it fills up thirst

regular foodstuff fill up 0,3 hunger and drinks fill up 0.3 thirst

grapes fill 0.1 of each

[radiant heart]

good deal, gotta figure something else for my dam tho 🤔

[shell fiber]

i'm making some sort of humongous bamboo that can tolerate 7m of water

also seriously considering making all watertight buildings tolerate 1m of flooding, which would allow to use them directly as dam

which could be a pretty huge change

[radiant heart]

or at least if you put a dam on it it doesn't flood, but yeah that would be awesome

[shell fiber]

that's unfortunately the same

dams are either pass or block

so water going through a dam on top of the house = house underwater

[radiant heart]

is there 2 numbers you can enter or it's only one limit like 0.5 to 0.9 = not flooded?

[shell fiber]

i think it's only round numbers saying how much water is okay

[radiant heart]

too bad, think that would have coverred the "if dam on top donT' flood"

Just curious, are you still on experimental or WB only works on normal?

caus i'm on normal

[heavy lodge]

Works on both, since now the both are the same build.

[radiant heart]

Forester not planting the mangrove, or it has to be under between 1 and 2?

[shell fiber]

needs between 2 and 3

but will be removed and replaced by ginormous bamboo

[shell fiber]

okay, that likely won't work. a pile of watertight buildings covered with a thin layer of water still makes every building think it's under Xm of water, where X is the difference in height between entrance and water level so they still see themselves as flooded

and there's no elegant way of changing that, except making all buildings entirely unfloodable

so let's keep it how is is now

[shell fiber]

I had a silly idea pretty happy with it, but that's not quite the color i was going for

better

ah, at last

[distant wigeon]

Hmmm.... I preferred the Second purple.

[heavy lodge]

Second in the first image, or in the second one ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

made the right color palette for the rooftopterrasse and campfire

[shell fiber]

hmm... it is nice too

[shell fiber]

Huge dam completed !

holy crap when did i get 300 beavers ?

no wonder my supply of food is slowly dwindling

[arctic olive]

That is ot a dam, thats a city

This one not having a great time

[shell fiber]

no that's the dam it's supposed to let water pass through

although visually it's a bit strange

i need to trim those bamboos a little bit, i can't see a thing 😅

[shell fiber]

okay, i need to rework the clockwork waterfarm because right now it's not very interesting

[shell fiber]

updated !

some minor fixes

i'm still undecided about the bamboo color

we already have pink trees

which is why i wanted them blue

but it's true that forcing the blue by removing the red tint entirely makes it visually a bit dull

i'll think about it tomorrow

[radiant heart]

how about making roofs watertight so if you put over over the door it will not be considered flooded? will give them another use then just the wellbeeing bonus

[radiant heart]

i prefer that green edition tho, the purple ones are a bit not natural enough, maybe greeen shaft and purple leaves? kinda same thing that you did for pink birch

[heavy lodge]

Do not dare to make them pink. We'll need then pink panther, too, and, he hates water 🤣

[shell fiber]

That would make weird visual artifacts with the water magically staying around. Also you could just use a bunch of them at levees

[shell fiber]

Not really, it was also wolfess who did it but the entire color palette was modified

I think it's possible though, but o don't know which I prefer yet

But I want them to look kind of unnatural

[radiant heart]

I mean the roof decoration, they could "block the door from flooding" and they caN't stack so yeah, could do a one row but that's about it

[shell fiber]

Still way too much 😉
But that also just doesn't work, if it is watertight without being heavy stackable you can end up with situations that visually are nonsense, but if it is heavy stackable you can no longer place it on platforms. There's just no good option except the current state of things

[radiant heart]

but i already see the issue if you put in on a platform it's gonna be a dam.....kinda like when i dropped a watertight build on super platforms over the river....

[shell fiber]

Basically yes

Need to sleep though GN and have fun

[radiant heart]

GN

making my waterway one dynamite at the time !

Forester sitting on his ass not planting the bamboo

[distant wigeon]

Maybe a bit more of an indigo color then?

[distant wigeon]

Like this one!

[radiant heart]

HAving a switch to only get dirt on the mega drilll would be nice, feels like my terraforming project ( like 10 tile) will never happen since i'll be stock with and overexcess of the other stuff

[shell fiber]

But I don't want terraforming in the first place 😥

You keep trying to revert to the folktails 😅

[radiant heart]

nan, just as simple as a wrong dynamite, at some point waant to be able to correct it

not complaining about the 1k price ( ok it's dumb but prevents abuse) sometimes tho that one square is worth it, want to be able to do it

[radiant heart]

I never liked FT so dont't insult your hard work plz 😉

[radiant heart]

plz tell me that only the door voxel is gonna make the mega drill drowned ! , tought it would be cool to have it with water flowing across to keep it cool!

And looks like Methane is not beeing moved from the barrel to the storage, been at least five cycles i'm stuck at 15 even with the barrel and the tank on "prioritize by haulers"

[shell fiber]

i think the door voxel is the one that matter but i'm not 100% sure

i havent's reached the point where i actually want to store methane so i need to test

i might be better to prioritize the barrel though

[shell fiber]

ah, seems like you need to set the gaz tank to "obtain from other storages"

[shell fiber]

oh, i like this !

[distant wigeon]

Hmmm.... Is it possible for the stalks to be a different color? Or darker?

[shell fiber]

would be pretty easy

what color ?

[distant wigeon]

Give Indigo or violet a try?

[shell fiber]

violet seems promising

letme load it up

(btw i reduced the density from 5 stocks on a 2x2 space to 2 )

[analog zodiac]

Next level of approach - megalumber

We got the giant stalks

Now for the sequoia trees and the huge pines

Would be fun if those huge trees could only be lumbered w specialized equipment you have to build too

[heavy lodge]

The worst possible thing is to give to @shell fiber some idea 🤣

[analog zodiac]

That's exactly my plan

[shell fiber]

well that was the plan all along

[analog zodiac]

🔥 🔥

[shell fiber]

i want the sequoias to give giant logs, that you can either use as is, or cut down to planks with a special sawmill

[analog zodiac]

hmm makes sense

[shell fiber]

i'm still hesitating : should i give the giant bamboo a harvestable component ? like it look cold so i could harvest some leaves to make mint tea or something

oh, yeah, i can pretend it makes 'incredibly strong mint" that you can use for ice, then icecream

that would save me making a compressor-refrigerator building

i mean i will need a dedicated building anyway

but if it doesn't use a compressor it saves me a lot of trouble for the animation

[vapid pollen]

Basing this off of what you've said earlier in here, maybe this method could lead to a more industrialized one later down the line and this is the way to discover that other way?

[silver phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/timon-pumba-the-lion-king-in-the-jungle-singing-gif-17850734

[radiant heart]

I feel like the harvestable would be leaves so they could make decorations or baskets or whatever... don't really have a clear idea

[radiant heart]

That no planting dandelion is pure nightmare in late game

[radiant heart]

just a crazy idea, instead of having the berries and dandelions not plantable, how about the brambles? ( would also prevent the place plnating zone to clear them easily) 🤔

[shell fiber]

Well ideally I would want that, but I can't guarantee brambles present on most maps unless I make them replace pine trees

Which seems a bit extreme

But maybe I should try

[shell fiber]

I think that is my second next thing to mod, i'll add the huge water wheel with a blueprint and then go on the advanced red BPs that will re-allow planting berries and dandelions and so on

[analog zodiac]

hmmmm, so you'd be replacing already generated trees within a map w others?

this gives me some ideas 😏

if it's achievable at least

[shell fiber]

the game has a function that allow to have something the faction you're playing doesn't have (but is specified in a map / savegame) to be replaced with something your faction actually have. but it only work in a certain measure, the most annoying right now is that you cannot replace a "simple" tree like birch (just makes wood) with a "producter" tree that generates a ressource (chestnut, pine, etc).

[analog zodiac]

ahhhhh rip

yeah, my idea was, if you crack that code like a fresh omelette and are able to scramble it, to try and see if the idea for tree placement depending on height and distance from a water source can be achieved in a reasonable and fine fashion

[shell fiber]

oh, not even close from what i can do, not without code

[analog zodiac]

😭

time to enlist duda into the project lmao

[arctic olive]

Time tro intriduce yourself to code

[radiant heart]

ok cool cuz I almost finished the school and have a real dig dandelion shortage, curently deleting everything around and leveling the ground so they can spread a bit, quite a mess but not even sure that would be enough tho

there was only one patch of dandelions on that map and quite a small one too, that thing is a lot map dependant

[shell fiber]

The university is going to require two blueprints just so you know 😉

I also added tiny icons next to the blueprints recipes

[shell fiber]

won't be watertight nor a house either

given how ridiculously large and expensive it is, it could be watertight without being a house i guess

but that's moslty to save up space in the UI

enought modding for today

[radiant heart]

Why am I not surprised ! a blue and a green i suppose or you got some other evil trick behond your head? 🤔

[shell fiber]

Well it's supposed to be the threshold for go the next tech level

[radiant heart]

Does that mean the one i'm building ATM with get destroyed?

[radiant heart]

Am I mining mountain salt for nothing? 🤔 🤣

How about a "seasoned kimchi" or something like taht in the barrel that uses salt also? could fill in "salty food" well-beeing and any receipe that has salt in would fill it

[shell fiber]

oh right i forgot to add the fried stuff. i was thinking fried pumpkin and uuuh... don't know 😅

[shell fiber]

no but it would be better to wait for the next update before you complete it, otherwise you'll skip the blueprints

but i'm slightly concerned how far i want the exotic plants and stuff to be in the tech progression

maybe i can make a tree planter flag that only plants pine trees (if i make the brambles replace pine)

and then the real forested is locked behind some science

[radiant heart]

gotta be able to plant the pink birches, it's the mascot of the faction ! 😉

[shell fiber]

then the exotic forester (that can plant vines, bamboo, sequoias etc) is locked behind...

[shell fiber]

hmm... well i don't want to render the real forester pointless

[radiant heart]

with pine and birch you can do a log, then the rest can be science locked and depending on the maps you get some freebies, feels fait

[shell fiber]

it's hard to compete with a flag

maybe i can make the trader's balloons far more accessible

[radiant heart]

can the forester have a boosting aura kinda live the beehive does for the plants?

[shell fiber]

and lock it behind a bunch of seeds

could have

but that would likely affect both trees and crops

so need to be careful