Water Beaver Overhaul | Timberborn | Page 7

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:14 PM

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oh!

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you can also have the buildings cost Sunfloweroil for lubricant 😅

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(again for ref)

📎 GoodSpecification.Sunfloweroil.original.json

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:16 PM

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Damn, you keep suggesting things I have in the works 😅

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:16 PM

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for example the mechanical water pump costs 50 sunfloweroil

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:16 PM

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The large flywheel is going to use a lubricant to remove the 'resistance' that I'm going to be adding to them

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:16 PM

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ahah 😅

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:16 PM

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Great minds 😉

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:17 PM

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if you want to do that, maybe we can offload the sunflower oil in a separate mod, and both use the same specifications 🙂

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:17 PM

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I was considering doing a whole new fluid/good for 'lubricant' to add to the complexity (in exchange for immense power storage)

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Oooo that'd be an idea

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:17 PM

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because the IT already have canola oil

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:17 PM

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UUUUUHHHHHHHH

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I was searching to see is Canola oil is (in real life) a suitable oil for a mechanical lubricant.

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Aaaand turns out, it is used as a lubricant, but for NSFW things

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:18 PM

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most real lubricants are soap right ?

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µHAHAHAHAHAHA

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:19 PM

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shell fiber most real lubricants are soap right ?

sometimes, it's complicated - I've done a surprising amount of research into this (For school engineering scheme)

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Soaps are slippy, but ultimately remove the layer of protection - without that, the surfaces are more prone to deterioration, increasing friction

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the vast majority of lubricants are just types of oil or grease, though fancier ones exists

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:25 PM

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it works !

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:26 PM

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kind spire Soaps are slippy, but ultimately remove the layer of protection - without that, ...

hmm i see

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:26 PM

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shell fiber it works !

still a bit clunky though

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Looks great though!

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:26 PM

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thanks 🙂

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Also, I assume that the Water beaver 'medium flywheel' should not be stackable? (Folktails isn't, IronTeeth is)

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:27 PM

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nah, stackable is fine

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is it this one ?

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:27 PM

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Nope, this one:

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:27 PM

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the waterbeavers have slightly better thech than the FT 😉

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holy cow

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it's huge

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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ItonTeeth:

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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aaah

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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The large is a 5x5x5 😉

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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hmm... stackable or not... that is the question

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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The idea is, if you want stackable, unlock the framed variants

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:28 PM

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i think your support beams should be made out of metal though 😉😅

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:29 PM

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kind spire The idea is, if you want stackable, unlock the framed variants

oh, yeah, definitely an option

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:29 PM

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They absolutely should, but It's pretty low on my list to fix 😅

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:29 PM

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oh i have an idea

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wait no

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:29 PM

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kind spire They absolutely should, but It's pretty low on my list to fix 😅

well you can just slap my "metal for beams" material on it 🙂

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unless it is one solid piece with the rest

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:30 PM

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I'd have to modify the blender model to do that since they share a mesh 😦

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:30 PM

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oh well

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:31 PM

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It's doable, but a future me problem

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:31 PM

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maybe stackable is okay for the waterbeavers

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but it's "light stackable right" ?

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:31 PM

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Yes

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They're all light stackable, with no water-blocking

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:31 PM

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i hope the building cost is expensive 😅

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:32 PM

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40 planks, 10 gears, 50 metal blocks

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The framed variants are actually cheaper, but have 50% lower capacity, and high science

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:34 PM

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ooh,right, they cost a lot of gears

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nice

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you can add sunfloweroil even if they have friction loss 🙂

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:35 PM

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The only concern with that is then they would need to have a path connection, unless you mean adding it as a building cost?

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:36 PM

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kind spire The only concern with that is then they would need to have a path connection, un...

oh, yeah as a bulding cost is fine

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yeah i tried havign the mechanical pump consume oil, but that's too complicated

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Okay, the zauerkraut is running 🙂

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:48 PM

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Think I have the models and specification sorted, going to do some testing and then Flywheels 0.7.0 should have WB support!

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 12:50 PM

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yay ! thanks

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oh, so what science cost did you set ?

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i'd say in the 500s for the medium one

kind spire Jun 28, 2023, 12:53 PM

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So on the top, from left to right:
Small: 300 science
Medium: 1000 Science
Vertical & Horizontal Framed Medium: 2500

So you reckon 500 for the medium, 1500 for the framed ones?

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 1:04 PM

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hmm... looking at the power they store... maybe 700 /1200

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 1:29 PM

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@radiant heart oh, it seems i was wrong with the bridge issue, my bad !

radiant heart Jun 28, 2023, 2:36 PM

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holy wowzer, you guys were busy ! that flywheel looks greaat, need to test that out too i guess !

radiant heart Jun 28, 2023, 2:36 PM

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shell fiber <@632743666783485982> oh, it seems i was wrong with the bridge issue, my bad !

briges are ok or they were the cause of my crash? ( and the alchimist thing? did you figure that one out ? )

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 2:37 PM

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not the briges i think, you had a weird crash with the alchemist but i don't see what may have caused it :/

radiant heart Jun 28, 2023, 2:39 PM

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strange, if i remember correctly it was set to tar and I already had some made for a while now, don't see what "new" thing i did that might have caused the crash

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 2:55 PM

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radiant heart strange, if i remember correctly it was set to tar and I already had some made f...

dunno, it was saying something about not being able to store a log or something

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might be a very corner case

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i don't see any problem witht he water pump upgrade though, except the terminal segment can be fiddly to place on one side

radiant heart Jun 28, 2023, 2:58 PM

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shell fiber i don't see any problem witht he water pump upgrade though, except the terminal ...

yeah, one side I was unable to place it, the other one was a mess but ended up beeing placed

shell fiber Jun 28, 2023, 3:00 PM

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you kind of have to ram the camera in the building to go through some weird hitbox,but you can 😅

radiant heart Jun 29, 2023, 2:20 AM

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just reloaded the last save and paused the alchemist, will see if something diffrent happen

radiant heart Jun 29, 2023, 2:57 AM

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and "camera ramming" worked for the end part of the upgrade, so it "works" but was way better before, not sure how the thing got messed up that bad, is it due to V4 or you've been naughty?

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( it's when it goes above the door that it's a pain to place) not sure if it helps but noticed that

shell fiber Jun 29, 2023, 5:16 AM

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I didn't change anything, it's something in the game engine that has changed. Basically the cursor seem to follow voxel occupancy rather than just stackable floors before. But maybe I can change the pivot so that it's easier to place. But right now I'm more struggling to fix the irrigation tower, at the moment it doesn't allow crops under it which kind of defeats the purpose of having it on stilts.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888491376143134760/1123600363082235984/1.jpg

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Also I finished this but I'm not super satisfied with it right now. Having modules is neat technically but the constraints are kind of annoying

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I'll see what I'll do

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Also I want it to be slightly taller so we can see better what's going on inside

shell fiber Jun 29, 2023, 4:36 PM

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unusual bug someone has on mod.io

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This is the error report v0.4.9.3-6c7fb02-sw ModAssetNotLoadedException: Asset (icons_and_textures) it not loaded TimberApi.AssetSystem.ModAssetBundle.Load[T] (System.String path) (at :0) TimberApi.AssetSystem.AssetLoader.Load[T] (System.String prefix, System.String pathToFile, System.String name) (at :0) TimberApi.AssetSystem.AssetLoader.Load[T] (System.String prefix, System.String path) (at :0) TimberApi.AssetSystem.AssetLoader.Load[T] (System.String path) (at :0) TimberApi.ResourceAssetSystem.ResourceAssetLoader.Load[T] (System.String path) (at :0) Timberborn.Goods.GoodSpecificationDeserializer.Deserialize (Timberborn.Persistence.IObjectLoader objectLoader) (at <722bcc12e3e1443fb996566745d8e343>:0) Timberborn.Persistence.ObjectLoader.Deconvert[T] (Timberborn.WorldSerialization.ObjectSave objectSave, Timberborn.Persistence.IObjectSerializer1[T] serializer, T& value) (at <5ee48de2acd640e68956ec64c3fc3e37>:0) Timberborn.Persistence.ObjectLoader.GetObsoletable[T] (Timberborn.Persistence.PropertyKey1[T] key, Timberborn.Persistence.IObjectSerializer1[T] serializer, T& value) (at <5ee48de2acd640e68956ec64c3fc3e37>:0) Timberborn.Persistence.ObjectLoader.Get[T] (Timberborn.Persistence.PropertyKey1[T] key, Timberborn.Persistence.IObjectSerializer1[T] serializer) (at <5ee48de2acd640e68956ec64c3fc3e37>:0) TimberApi.SpecificationSystem.ApiSpecificationService+d__61[T].MoveNext () (at :0) System.Collections.Generic.EnumerableHelpers.ToArray[T] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] source, System.Int32& length) (at :0) System.Linq.Buffer1[TElement]..ctor (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] source) (at :0) System.Linq.OrderedEnumerable1+d__3[TElement].MoveNext () (at :0) Timberborn.Goods.GoodService.LoadGoods () (at <722bcc12e3e1443fb996566745d8e343>:0) Timberborn.Goods.GoodService.Load () (at <722bcc12e3e1443fb996566745d8e343>:0) (wrapper dynamic-method)

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shell fiber Jun 29, 2023, 5:02 PM

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2.0.11 seems to be bug free (at last)

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i nees to go to sleep

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 12:38 AM

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@radiant heart
The irrigation tower is "fixed" and presumably the terminal segment of the water pumps should be easier to place.

The large tent for now has multiple recipes but I think I'll make two smaller variants for the vegetable stew and mushroom stew, maybe 3x3, and ultimately this one will be much harder to build but will be the only place where deluxe stew is made (it is the ultimate food after all)

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Oh and I fixed the soybeans and renamed them green peas although they use the same model as soybeans

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Oh crap did I adjust the maximum enterable limit of the large tent 🤔😑?

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I made a bunch of icons too

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The basic cooking tent I think has all recipes but I think I'll let it have only awful stew and braised cabbage, since now there is zauerkraut

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Which is basically kimchi except it needs salt and not bramble flowers

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But I like the idea of having science stuff use one specific manufactured food so I'll probably have it consume zauerkraut. But It should be much easier to work since salt just comes from the mine and it's used at a ratio of 1 for 5 cabbages

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Salt will of course also be used to make delicious fried pumpkins 😉 (does pumpkin chips transmit the idea better ?)

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:07 AM

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shell fiber I didn't change anything, it's something in the game engine that has changed. Ba...

glad you trying to fix that, it was bugging me a bit but not a big issue

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:07 AM

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shell fiber I'll see what I'll do

is it live so i can give it a try?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:09 AM

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shell fiber The basic cooking tent I think has all recipes but I think I'll let it have only...

wo wo wo you said basic stew was getting back in there too. 😉 will work around it don't worry

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:09 AM

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shell fiber Which is basically kimchi except it needs salt and not bramble flowers

Kimchy barrels were great, too bad you removed those, hard to manage at first but when you know how to it's a really sweet food source

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:10 AM

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shell fiber 2.0.11 seems to be bug free (at last)

oups, went in order 😉 gonna load it most probably tommorow

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:34 AM

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something is up, it shows 2.0.11 but never updates...

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and it crashe the game when i tried "download" ....

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no wonder you got 5k downloads, i probably have 20% on me 🤣

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:40 AM

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radiant heart Kimchy barrels were great, too bad you removed those, hard to manage at first bu...

Well they are back, sort of. Cabbages can be eaten raw but they are worth 3 foodstuff and give no wellbeing benefit, si now you kind of have to transform them either in braised cabbage or zauerkraut 😉

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:41 AM

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so berries give more well-beeing then cabbages technically ?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:41 AM

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Uuh, yes

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:42 AM

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F the farms then untill it can be transformed !!

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:42 AM

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Well no, cooked cabbage are equivalent

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But berries grow quite slowly

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:42 AM

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yeah but they spread and last a descent time even if not watered

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:43 AM

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Oh actually green peas can be eaten raw and give +2 but the growth time is really long

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Like 10 days

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:43 AM

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good news, can stilll reopen the game and WB are still on 2.0.10 and okd save works, not sure what went wrong with the loading of 11

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:43 AM

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Uuh no idea

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

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shell fiber Like 10 days

and the drying time?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

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I made sure to erase the staging folder before building

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But it was 2am so no big testing

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

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radiant heart and the drying time?

Unchanged I think

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

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like sunflowers grow decently fast, don't give much food tho but last 5-6 days before dying if i remember correctly

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:45 AM

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Yeah sunflowers are drought resistant

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:45 AM

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Kimchy was even more drought resistant 😉

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:45 AM

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I think the peas should be well weak to drought, and cabbage in between

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But zauerkraut is basically kimchi

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:46 AM

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shell fiber But zauerkraut is basically kimchi

yeah but didn't you say it's "science food" not food food?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:46 AM

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Aaaah

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No it's also regular food

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:46 AM

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kk

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 AM

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Just the library will ask for zauerkraut instead of raw mushrooms

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 AM

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but made in the tent right? or barrrels are back?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 AM

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Barrels 😉

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 AM

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shell fiber Barrels 😉

not sure if i should put a 👍 or worry about the wink ....

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 AM

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I think the bottleneck of kimchi was bramble flower harvesting

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 AM

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shell fiber I think the bottleneck of kimchi was bramble flower harvesting

haulers, not the harvesting

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 AM

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Instead of flowers you need one salt

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Which is the same as iron ore / coal so fairly easy to get

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 AM

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you basically needed 2 lumbers per barrel, maybe 3

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 AM

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Oh uuuh

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I think it was 6 logs

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:49 AM

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i mean lumberjacks gathering the flowers to keep barrels running

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:49 AM

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That's how I calculate the cost of buildings

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Ah yes you needed I think 4 flowers for 6 cabbage

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Ah in terms of workers

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Yeah seems about right

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:50 AM

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First thing i'll always try is the places i can dump my useless eaters 😉

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:51 AM

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radiant heart haulers, not the harvesting

Yeah but because you get one flower every 4 hours, they kept bringing them one by one

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:52 AM

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maybe, also that all my pumps are prioritized by haulers too keeps them busy

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only got 35 pumps afterall

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:53 AM

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In my experience hauler prioritisation is dangerous

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Yikes 😅

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How many beavers ?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:53 AM

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just broke the 200 pop

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bot district is starting to be a possibility

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

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I think one pump was capable of supporting 20 beavers-ish 🤔 but then I guess you have water for droughts, mushrooms, paper and so on

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 2:56 AM

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i could use maybe 5 less but better safe then sorry on water, also i'm in the process of swapping small ones for deep ones, 2-3 are about to get destroyed

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soooo... i need to make a path, build the new center, and then place a crossing in between? with the crossing that needs to be build, having the town center needing to be built is a tad shitty...

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alright, gonna give the alchimist another try and see if it crashes agaon

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I hate myself for saying that but all the bridges are terribly too yellow, mind dumping some pink in there a bit? 🤣

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or i just need to be a tad less cheap and the metal ones look awesome?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:10 AM

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radiant heart or i just need to be a tad less cheap and the metal ones look awesome?

The metal ones are vanilla, si that will be the FT model 😉
The one two and three are only missed to remove the science cost

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:11 AM

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radiant heart I hate myself for saying that but all the bridges are terribly too yellow, mind ...

I'll try but the model is monolithic so that requires some blender-ing

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:12 AM

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radiant heart i could use maybe 5 less but better safe then sorry on water, also i'm in the pr...

Nah for early game that would be troublesome

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:12 AM

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can't you just wap the texture for something else that would have variation a bit?

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shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:13 AM

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Oh by the way the normal and deep water pumps generate just as much water 😉 if you don't actually use the depth is useless 🤫

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:13 AM

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radiant heart

Hmm

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To be honest I think it looks nice

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:14 AM

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i just think that compared to everything else that got variation and all the bridges are plain a bit

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:15 AM

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🤔

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Kind of true

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:15 AM

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Stop, don't make those Fers all glowing cotton candy pink, that's not what i mean

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:15 AM

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But if I modify the bridge, I might need to also modify the platforms to fit

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:15 AM

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radiant heart Stop, don't make those Fers all glowing cotton candy pink, that's not what i mea...

Ahahah 😅

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Maybe I can make the bridge planks more white or something

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:16 AM

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maybe a darker wood for the planks covering it since we got oak and it's dark wood?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:16 AM

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We have Oak ?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:16 AM

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*chesnuts, my bad

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:17 AM

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But what kind of maniac would but chestnut trees ?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:17 AM

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i do, nut reserve is always full so...

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:18 AM

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Actually that reminds me that I kind of wanted to experiment with various log types

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Oh

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:18 AM

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(ok, i over did it on the nut farm)

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:19 AM

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Well agroforestry is a really interesting prospect even irl so I can't blame you 😅

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:19 AM

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Now THAT'S the kind of shit i'll lose sleep over tho ...

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https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

Tenor

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 3:23 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-what-wow-xd-wtf-gif-19480778

Tenor

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@strange seal I think we need an urgent update

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(sorry I shouldn't ping you for silly stuff 😅)

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:26 AM

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that aint silly, it's a severe engineering failure. beavers could die there if the bridge collapse 😆

distant wigeon Jun 30, 2023, 3:37 AM

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To be fair, it's usually supported against solid dirt/rock.

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:40 AM

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just downloaded the mod and went to start a new game with the whitepaws but when i go to click next it wont let me. foxtails says to disable it and start a new game do i use the foxtail or iron teeth factions or is there an issue with the mod not downloading properly for me?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:41 AM

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think something went wrong

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you don't see a tird beaver?

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:43 AM

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i have the same showing up as the screen shot but the next button is blocked and wont let me click it to go to the difficulty selection to start the game

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:44 AM

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Ooo yeah, think you need to start a game with FT, then close it to unlock the WB, kinda like in vanilla you need to reach a certain lvl of wellbeeing with FT to unlock IT

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:44 AM

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i have a bunch of other mods endabled as well such as bendix and timber api

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:44 AM

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need those 2

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:44 AM

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so disable the white tail reach a certain level the foxtails then it would be unlocked?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:44 AM

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also need logstairs, billboards

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:45 AM

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agile depot so disable the white tail reach a certain level the foxtails then it would be u...

just start a new one with FT, and go back to main menu, should unlock the WB

heavy lodge Jun 30, 2023, 3:45 AM

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radiant heart Ooo yeah, think you need to start a game with FT, then close it to unlock the WB...

YA, but to unlock with FT, must not disable WB mod ..., it's right ?

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:45 AM

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give me a sec gonna try something

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:46 AM

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the game crashes when i try to start the foxtails with the whitetail faction enabled

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:46 AM

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mmm won't let me start a game on FT' not sure about what's going on

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@shell fiber if you got a min, think we got something here

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:47 AM

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agile depot i have the same showing up as the screen shot but the next button is blocked and...

you clicked on the white beaver? and got that screen but no next button?

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:48 AM

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question is how does the game know you have reached the required level to unlock the whitetail faction if its disabled

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i clicked on the whitepaws but it wont let me click the next button almost like it disabled

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:49 AM

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like this ?

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like it's half visible

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:49 AM

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what all mods should i use when i use the whitetail faction? maybe one of the mods is causing the issue?

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yes

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i have a bunch of map mods as well as 10 other mods enabled currently

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:50 AM

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disable all mods except the ones mentionned in the dependencies

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:50 AM

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ill try that

heavy lodge Jun 30, 2023, 3:51 AM

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Mandatory mods

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:51 AM

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the way mods work most can't handle the WB

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Bepin is not required?

heavy lodge Jun 30, 2023, 3:52 AM

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That's not a mod, it's a launcher for all

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:53 AM

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ok, Mr. smarty pants 😂 i'm just trying to help here ShrugIT

heavy lodge Jun 30, 2023, 3:54 AM

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Guess that I'm too academic 😮

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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anyway, hope I could help @agile depot but it's almost midnight here and i need my beauty sleep. Later everyone !

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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heavy lodge Guess that I'm too academic 😮

I just need to learn, still new to the modding world, it's the first game i play with mods ;0

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ok, out for real 👋

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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that didnt work either hopefully i can get it to work eventually. have a good night redneck thanks for the help

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 4:03 AM

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agile depot that didnt work either hopefully i can get it to work eventually. have a good ni...

Hi ! I'm not at home right now but I'll try to see what's going on. I think the warning message might be confusing people more that I though 😅

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Regarding other mods, you can keep UI mods (typically pipette tool) but other mods that try to add buildings/ressources often simply won't work.

Only curly stairs, ladder, vertical shafts and flywheels I believe are working without any manual fiddling

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If you can reach the faction selection screen it means that you at least have all dependencies correctly installed, but apparently the last version 2.0.11 didn't upload properly so I'll push an new one this evening (Japan time, UTC+9)

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 11:56 AM

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shell fiber Hi ! I'm not at home right now but I'll try to see what's going on. I think the ...

awesome thank you. im looking forward to using your mod the game is starting to get boring as its become rinse and repeat at this point.

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 12:24 PM

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hmm... i tested on my side and see no obvious bug, can you give me a list of the mods you've installed ? and if possible the crash message (in the console, the small window with lots of red text)

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 12:59 PM

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agile depot awesome thank you. im looking forward to using your mod the game is starting to ...

totaly forgot, I had issues also with 2.0.11, on the download screen take 2.0.10 and you should be ok

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 1:18 PM

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OOOOOOh

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i have updated something in the 1x1x2 small storage mod, make sure you update it !

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i have changed the dependency to require the latest

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honestly that was maybe unnecessary on my part

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you probably launched the game and clicked continue, but the mod was not active

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sometimes you have "acces denied" crashes i don't know where that comes from

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 1:22 PM

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not having the 2-tall updated would crash my game when downloading the WB update? 🤔 that seems strange

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well it won't update to 11 again, will see later, gtg for now

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 1:42 PM

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wait what ? when downloading ?

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oh, that must be your access denied issue

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maybe try a manual install 😕 that's not something i can do much about, seems to be on your side 😓

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but i'll revert the 1x1x2 dependency because really there's no vital need to have this update specifically, it just allows to render salt and kaolin properly

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:06 PM

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hmm... i have no idea what to make the medium tent look like... 🤔

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 2:46 PM

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shell fiber hmm... i tested on my side and see no obvious bug, can you give me a list of the...

not able to click next after selecting the whitetail faction i have tried to start a new game with the folktail faction but it goes to a black screen shown in the second picture i have all mods except the dependencies disabled

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 PM

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if you alt-tab in that state you should be able to see the console somewhere

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 PM

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shell fiber if you alt-tab in that state you should be able to see the console somewhere

no console is coming up

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:47 PM

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i need to see the red error message to see if i can understand what's happening

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you have timber API right ?

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 PM

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shell fiber i need to see the red error message to see if i can understand what's happening

yes i also have the bepinex which wont let me disable it

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:48 PM

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oh, sometime it's weird, try to alt-tab to chrome or discord, then try to find the console

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if there is really no console, then there is something very strange

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 2:49 PM

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shell fiber oh, sometime it's weird, try to alt-tab to chrome or discord, then try to find t...

theres no console at all i have checked everything. if i delete the bepinex will it make all mods not useable?

shell fiber Jun 30, 2023, 2:50 PM

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uuuh, let's ask in the general #🤖mod-creators channel because i'm not sure

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 4:32 PM

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shell fiber uuuh, let's ask in the general <#888491376143134760> channel because i'm not sur...

when i placed the water pump the game crashed

📎 error-report-2023-06-30-11h25m42s.zip

radiant heart Jun 30, 2023, 4:54 PM

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shell fiber if there is really no console, then there is something very strange

back on the V3 version i didn't have a console opening

agile depot Jun 30, 2023, 6:24 PM

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📎 error-report-2023-06-30-13h21m14s.zip

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:15 AM

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good morning !

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sorry for that, i'll take a look

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:16 AM

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agile depot when i placed the water pump the game crashed

hm, that's a new one

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:17 AM

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shell fiber good morning !

good morning. thank you not sure why it wont let me place the water pump

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:17 AM

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no sure yet either, might be related to how i fixed an other issue

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i have a little hour right now, so i can try to fix it quicly

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:26 AM

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shell fiber no sure yet either, might be related to how i fixed an other issue

awesome thank you

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:33 AM

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Aaaah, i see

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yeah, the "crushable" propery doesn't play nice with the "optionnally underground" one

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long story short, the pipe of waterpump is allowed to be underground

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but in order to place the pump upgrades easily i made the building crushable (you're allowed to place new buildings even in the building volume)

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but if a volume is full of dirt, unsurprinsingly...

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:36 AM

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so i need to place it on a higher surface then?

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:38 AM

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it should work better like this, but 'ill have this fixed soon

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like in ten minutes

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:38 AM

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ok

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:38 AM

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actually i already fixed it but i wanted to adjust something at the same time

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except this one is a tad bit more difficulut

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:39 AM

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how do i make the last resource needed for the library? it the red book looking item

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:41 AM

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ahah, you won't be able to make that before a long time 🙂

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take a close look at the broken kart 🙂

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:47 AM

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i see now you have to destroy the broken cart to gain the needed item. that's very cleaver.

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:48 AM

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if you look closely you can probably see an anvil laying aroung an a metal cauldron 😉

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:49 AM

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same location as the broken cart or different building?

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:49 AM

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in the broken kart

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:50 AM

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just closed the game as its almost 9pm here. just about to head off to bed.

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:50 AM

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oh, okay

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:50 AM

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ill take a look in the morning.

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:50 AM

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yeah, i should have the update up soon

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:50 AM

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have a great night ill post any other issues i come across for you to take a look at.

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:51 AM

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just in case my next verison happens to be broken too, you can try to rollback to i think 2.0.10

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one of the not-toot-distant ones was pretty stable

agile depot Jul 1, 2023, 1:52 AM

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ill give that a try if i come across issues with the new update/updates

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any ways im off to bed good night everyone. thank you for the help @shell fiber and all those who have helped me.

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 2:06 AM

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goddamit, don't have time to fight against this thing right now

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there's a custom base level and pivot issue that is causing me trouble on multiple buildings

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i'll fix that once 'im back home

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in 6-ish hours

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maybe more

distant wigeon Jul 1, 2023, 2:36 AM

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IGNORE THAT, SORRY WRONG CHANNEL

radiant heart Jul 1, 2023, 4:46 AM

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12 loaded !

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6 long bridge gone ? SadIT

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where's that super cool food tent? gonna be a 13 thing or my thing is broken again?

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@shell fiber something is messed up big time with irrigation towers

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the worker in it is just jurking off in the water storage and never brings water to the tower... good thing i caught it before the drought, that's it for today !

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later 👋

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 11:55 AM

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okay i fixed the irrigation tower, and moved the pivot point of pump upgrades so they are easier to place.
i'm a bit confused about the terminal segment because sometimes they are easy to place, sometimes it's a huge pain

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6 long bridge ? was there ever such a thing ?

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 12:17 PM

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uploaded !

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streaming my playtest now 🙂

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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@radiant heart there's something weird happening with zauerkraut barrels, new ones are being serviced properly, but not pre-existing ones, at least in my save. destroying/rebuilding seems to do the trick

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not much of a fix to be fair

fair wolf Jul 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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What map is this? It kind of of looks like one of mine

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I swear if it is, that's kind of awesome. Lol. First person I've seen playing one

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 2:17 PM

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note to self :
kitchen house with side chimney (stackable)
rework irrigation tower entirely

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 2:34 PM

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fix all the bridges ?

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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add tools as ressource ? (handicrafter reciepe)

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change the small cauldron in a clay pot, make the primitive ironworks able to make small cauldrons (kitchen house, alchemist)

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possibly remove the anvil mold and cauldron mold from the game

shell fiber Jul 1, 2023, 4:06 PM

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Hmmm I think I may be better off ditching scientifically plausible glass making and just coming up with a clay pit for clay 🤔 (I need a clearly heat resistant material for the foundry)

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ha ! first try ! (okay that wasn't hard, i reskinned a building 😇 )

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(the regular grill will go through the window)

kind spire Jul 1, 2023, 5:33 PM

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fair wolf I swear if it is, that's kind of awesome. Lol. First person I've seen playing on...

Hey man, you make good maps!

kind spire Jul 1, 2023, 5:34 PM

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shell fiber ha ! first try ! (okay that wasn't hard, i reskinned a building 😇 )

Ayy looks nice!

fair wolf Jul 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Thanks. Lol. I try and put a lot of thought into them, hope people enjoy them. Only one of them took off with the downloads, and U4 broke it. 🤣

fair wolf Jul 1, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Okay. Yepp. Just seen this one. Thats definitely my map. Haha. Hope you liked it

fair wolf Jul 1, 2023, 6:17 PM

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Even crazier considering that map only has 24 downloads

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:37 AM

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oh i think i have downloaded it too

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didn't play it much though

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okay, the debris that are stuck in a warehourse are not collected, that's uncool

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:21 AM

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shell fiber 6 long bridge ? was there ever such a thing ?

yes, bridges from 4 to 6 ( normal ones not metal ones) used to exist

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:23 AM

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but they still do 🤔

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:24 AM

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fair wolf What map is this? It kind of of looks like one of mine

It's tourniquet, i like those small maps it's a fun challenge, sadly non-playable with WB, they need too much space due to the way they operate, didn't even try diorama yet, maybe someday when it's a bit more polished, for playtesting it's not fun

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:24 AM

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@shell fiber were you able to fix the water pump?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:25 AM

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i think

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:26 AM

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ok cool ill check it out and let you know if it has any issues.

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:28 AM

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@shell fiber did you mess around with mush production? feels like my production sank big time and can't even stocl up some with 5 growers ThinkingIT

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:29 AM

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no but do they have someone working them ? there is a strange bug that affect deliveries to zauerkraut barrels

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my mushroom storage is full

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:29 AM

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yeas, i even have useless eaters still...

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:29 AM

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and plenty of logs and water ?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:29 AM

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yes and yes

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:30 AM

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but up to the previous update science and blueprint consume mushroom right ?

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aren't they just vanishing in there ?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:30 AM

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think so

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idk, gonna pay a bit more attention to it ( at least try)

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nvm the bridge thing, they are there it's just strange the way they display now, like the 1-2-3 are not in the sub categorie and the 4-5-6 are

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:37 AM

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Aaah, that's because of the path extention mod i believe

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 1:40 AM

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dumped in 4 more mush growers will see if it racks up a bit

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plans on getting the grilled nuts back in the gril? or that could be a coocking tent thing IMO since it's one ingredient and simple to make

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just wanna be sure i can cut my nut farming trees without second toughts 😉

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Looks like i was just not producing enough shrooms with all the food that need it as an ingredient, with +3 growers it's sloly going up

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8 growers for 200 beavers... used to be way above with 4-5 and 300+ beavers Maybe production could be speeded up a bit since so much stuff requires them in that new food chain

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 2:24 AM

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radiant heart plans on getting the grilled nuts back in the gril? or that could be a coocking ...

the chestnuts will only be for stew and ground for flour, no gilled chestnuts for this faction 😉

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yeah but because i replace shrooms with Sauerkraut in science reciepes (turns out it's written with an S) you will need less

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and i'll get to work on the bridge issue i also want stairs to be placed nicely together

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 2:40 AM

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shell fiber and i'll get to work on the bridge issue i also want stairs to be placed nicely ...

my OCD will sure like that

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is branble flowers useless now? can't find a place where they are needed ThinkingIT

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 2:49 AM

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deluxe stew and vegetable stew

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might end up inventing some whacky stuff later on

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 2:50 AM

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i feel like at the speed they grow they should have food stuff only for them in early game

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 3:00 AM

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radiant heart i feel like at the speed they grow they should have food stuff only for them in ...

well they are more here to be an invasive crap than to help the player 😉

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:01 AM

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question why wont the beavers pick up the resoruces from a demolished building?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:01 AM

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agile depot question why wont the beavers pick up the resoruces from a demolished building?

they need to bring them in a wharehouse

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:02 AM

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i have warehouse for all of the resources that need to be taken to the warehouse

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:02 AM

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ThinkingIT

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:03 AM

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i got the district center up and destroyed the cart but theres lots of scrap metel and logs they wont pick up and take to the warehouses

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:04 AM

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logs i'd say look if your storage is full but normaly that early on you don't have enough scrap to fill up your storage

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:05 AM

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log storage is not full i built 5 so theres enough space for logs and planks but for some reason they wont pick it up.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 3:05 AM

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it's also possible they are busy with a lot of other tasks, try to click on the rubble you want cleared and tick 'prioritize"

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:05 AM

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trry putting priority higher, if they are busy building stuff somewhere else they won't pick it up

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:06 AM

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i have the priority set all the way up and currently have nothing to be built.

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:06 AM

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that's strange

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:07 AM

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its the first time i have had the issue so not sure what the problem is. i wunder if its because the warehouses are to far away?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:08 AM

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don't think so, it would take forever but thay would bring it

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:08 AM

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hmm ill just let it sit and see if they will eventually pick it up.

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:09 AM

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did they pick up the chauldron and anvil?

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:09 AM

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i have the game speed on 1 so it may just take awhile

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they did

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:13 AM

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I can't do 1x anymore, maybe first 3-5 days and then it's 2x minimum

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:14 AM

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i usually set it to 3 once i get the game going and running smooth.

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trying to figure out what to build next kinda lost as to what needs to be built first

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:15 AM

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water and food first 😉 after it's up to you what kind of food

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:16 AM

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water and food is going. the library is almost built

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:16 AM

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carefull, librairy eats food, almost killed a run once overfilling it

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:17 AM

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ill pause work until the food supply is built up.

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:18 AM

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better put it to lower pririty and make sure no one works in it caux the building itself gives a well-beeing buff

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 3:18 AM

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ah ok. ill do that then

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well its bed time yall have a good night.

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 3:19 AM

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same for me, later 👋

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 9:49 AM

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not sure what caused the game to crash this time.

📎 error-report-2023-07-02-04h48m27s.zip

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 10:02 AM

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hmm... the log is not super helpful indeed... seems like there's a problem with a need and a ranged building

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Oh, no rigth

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that's the billboards

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thanks, i had completely forgot about that

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fixed, billboard mod updated

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new update on the 1x1x2 small storage mod 🙂

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 10:16 AM

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so i need to update the storage mod?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 10:18 AM

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well you don't "need" unless you want to have those

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but you probably should update the billboard mod

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 10:22 AM

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i updated both i like the little storage for making tiny villages.

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 10:48 AM

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for some reason im not able to build on top of the single and double platforms.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:12 PM

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oh, sorry i just saw your message

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you can't place watertight buildings on top

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anything that looks like it could block water (typically a forester's lodge) is watertight

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and thus can only be placed on ground of watertight buildings, otherwise weird things happen because the water mechanics are a bit crude

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check with a tiny storage to see if that works

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 12:15 PM

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i cant build platforms on top of platforms or other buildings on top of the platforms.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:20 PM

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platforms on top of platforms being not possible is intended

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but you should be able to build paths and storage and stuff

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stackability is very limited

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that's to avoid people just building a huge scaffolding tower to immediately get the best wind turbines and gravity storage

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the game must be hard 😅

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but i think it's more fun to try to build with the terrain and actually stack houses to make a dam wall

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can i see some screenshots of your village ? out of curiosity

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 12:32 PM

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ill load up the game and take some

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what about the placeable blocks of terrain are those not active with this mod?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:37 PM

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ah, the terraforming thing that uses bots right ? it's not in, but to be honest i'm not there yet as for the faction tech tree

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i'm thinking about adding some sort of terrain block for the very VERY late game, but it would be pretty expensive and require advanced ressources

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the point of the faction in general is to terraform with houses, so that effectively your village is your dam

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 12:38 PM

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heres a few when i first started the village a couple of the buildings were able to be built on the platforms but now im not able to for some reason.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:39 PM

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what map is that ? it seems nice !

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just so you know those blocky houses are watertight

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but it seems to me that the river is very shallow

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 12:40 PM

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ill look it up i dont remember what the name of it is

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the river is about 1 block high

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the name of the map is old capitol terraces

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i choose a harder map for this game save.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 12:54 PM

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agile depot the name of the map is old capitol terraces

that does't seem right, old captial terrace look like that

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https://thumb.modcdn.io/mods/7635/2797952/thumb_1020x2000/oldcapitalterraces.1.jpg

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but it's okay, what makes a mad easy or harder with this faction is probably very different than with the FT/IT

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for example i find "meander" quite hard

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:03 PM

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i just noticed that im looking for the right map name now. sorry about that

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is there a way to see what map you choose when starting a new game?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:04 PM

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uuh, not sure

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maybe you can look up in the console

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:05 PM

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ill find the map name and post it

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:05 PM

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but that's okay, the point is that there are maps on which is it hard to form a dam without making a huge mess and flooding everything, or where arable land is scarce

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:08 PM

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ok found it the actual name of the map im using is new yosemite

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:09 PM

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ah, yes, i see

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:10 PM

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land is a bit scarce on the map im currently playing on. im thinking i might need to find a different map for this mod sense theres more to it then the basic in game factions.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:10 PM

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it's an interesting one

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:10 PM

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its going to be hard to build up to the top levels not being able to build on top of platforms lol

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:11 PM

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but you can still stack some buildings

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typically the pit-and-ladder lodge can tower up really easily

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(if you can support the population 😉)

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:11 PM

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im trying to figure out how to place the mines. do they need a big hole in the ground?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:12 PM

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the primitive mine, no, it just needs a 2x2 cliif

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:12 PM

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im needing salt for the zauer barrels

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:13 PM

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the medium mine yeah, requires you to dig a hole with dynamite

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:13 PM

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which one produces the salt?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:13 PM

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the small one

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primitive

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basically you need to place the two tiny flags on solid ground

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:14 PM

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the small one is perfect it will fit right behind the barrels on the cliff behind them.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:15 PM

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i think the entrance doesn't have to be on solid ground though, if youhave a 3x2 cliff you can put it on top of a warehouse or somethign

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:15 PM

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so basically it just needs to be elevated and on some dirt?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:16 PM

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not necessarily elevated

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against a wall and whith the two tiny flags on ground

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:17 PM

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ah ok. about to head out for the day. so far everything seems to be working properly at least what i have placed so far. none of what i have placed other then the library needed to be built by the beavers is that the way its set up?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:22 PM

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what do you mean ?

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everything is build by beavers no ?

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🤔

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:25 PM

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none of the houses or storage nor the platforms were built by the beavers just placed them and they were atomatically built.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:27 PM

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what ?

heavy lodge Jul 2, 2023, 1:27 PM

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Remove the creative mod ... LOL Still working in U4 ?

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:27 PM

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ooooh

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aahahah

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i was wondering "damn you have a lot of big storage quite early on !" but i figured different people have different priorities for what to unlock 😅

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:31 PM

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i deleted the creative mod. i was thinking there might still be part of the creative mod somewhere thats causing the building to be automatically placed

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:33 PM

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agile depot i deleted the creative mod. i was thinking there might still be part of the crea...

I have no idea how that mod works 😓

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 1:34 PM

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the library had to be built with the parts from the destroyed cart then everything else was automatic not sure whats causing the issue ill have to dive into it once i get back home and let you know whats going on. ill look into to the creative mod and see how it works.

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so in just taking a quick look there is part of the creative mod still in the plugins folder but does not show up in game.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 1:56 PM

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agile depot so in just taking a quick look there is part of the creative mod still in the pl...

just erase the entire creative mod folder

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sometimes there is stuff that is not cleaned up properly

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oof, that map is going to make for a tought start

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not much wood, narrow valley

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no slope to go in the river

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 2:19 PM

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are you reffering to the yosemite map? @shell fiber

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im currently looking for a better map for the wb faction as the yosemite seems like its not the best map for it.

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 2:33 PM

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yes, well it's tough, but there is a nice oppportunity to dam and flood the entire valley 🙂

shell fiber Jul 2, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Uploaded version 2.1.0 !
It changes a bunch of stuff so it might mess up your saves a little bit (don't hesitate to cheat to give yourself a chemistry set or two)
if it ends up being not that stable, you can probably roll back to the previous verison.

IMPORTANT : Because i erased some specifications, it is possible that mod.io updating forgets to delete them. uninstall the mod completely (delete folder) and reinstall properly if some weird crash happen

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 5:09 PM

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"weird stuff" how could that happen, it's impossible, it nevers happens in that game 😂

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WTF , same bug as last time, "update" won't do anything stays on 2.0.13

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and download crashes the game... think the delete previous is a must

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 5:27 PM

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I don't really get the 2 recipe thingny in the barrel? dou you have to swap it everytimes it's full?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 6:08 PM

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Love the giga coocking tent, LoveIT those buildings you can walk across is super cool, we definetly more of those,will save a bunch a space at some point

i guess modules are not in yet or i'm just blind?

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 6:12 PM

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the amount of sawdust produced is a bit rough to deal with i have had to build 10 large storages just for the saw dust. is there a ways to slow the production of sawdust down a bit when producing planks?

radiant heart Jul 2, 2023, 6:35 PM

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make paper or shrooms with it, or just burn it

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in the metal tab you have the wood burner, it will solve the dust issue if you don't use all that you produce

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 6:45 PM

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ok ty. gotta start planning the main village out so hopefully some of it can get used and i can demolish some of the stroage buildings.

agile depot Jul 2, 2023, 11:53 PM

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ive looked at every building and cant figure out how to make tar any pointers? tar and gears are my hold up cant figure out which building or buildings i need for them.

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 12:30 AM

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agile depot ive looked at every building and cant figure out how to make tar any pointers? t...

pointers?

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tar is in the achemist but make a save pior to it, don't know why but sometimes tar crashes the game, actually if it happens to you it would be helpfull, @shell fiber not sure wtf is happening with the error logs i sent him

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gears i'm not sure where they've been moved, there was a lot of replacing recently

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actually might ditch that run and start a new one so see from scratch what the rebalance looks like

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:46 AM

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radiant heart I don't really get the 2 recipe thingny in the barrel? dou you have to swap it e...

The two recipe are exactly the same, but I need to have two to be able to choose none (in order to refresh deliveries, you need to have the barrel be emptied)

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The gears are made by the mechanic's lodge, in the science tab

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:47 AM

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radiant heart tar is in the achemist but make a save pior to it, don't know why but sometimes ...

I've seen them but I have no idea what really causes them at the moment 😓

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:49 AM

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agile depot the amount of sawdust produced is a bit rough to deal with i have had to build 1...

Producing planks with the sawmill actually generates a lot less sawdust per plank than une gnawing tent, and more planks per log too 😉

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I'll thinking about moving the mechanic and architect into the village tab but then there won't be much left in the science one 🤔

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:01 AM

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shell fiber I'll thinking about moving the mechanic and architect into the village tab but t...

with alll the shit you got in mind that tab gonna overfill anyway 😉

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:02 AM

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shell fiber The gears are made by the mechanic's lodge, in the science tab

and mechanic logde needs gear, life is great 🤣

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jk

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:19 AM

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which building produces the fancy blue prints? ive been trying to figure it out for hours now i placed tons of buildings but none of them say anything about fancy blue prints.

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this mod is great but a bit confusing. im hung up on multiple things that my brain cant seem to figure out. is there a spread sheet that tells you what each building does?

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:25 AM

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agile depot which building produces the fancy blue prints? ive been trying to figure it out ...

you make the basic bp in the meca or architect and then need to make it fancy in another building

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sure is confusing but the game limitations made it be that way

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:26 AM

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i know how that is farm sim is the same way. theres so many restrictions that make it a head ach to create mods.

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:27 AM

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radiant heart you make the basic bp in the meca or architect and then need to make it fancy in...

what other building makes them fancy?

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eventually ill get it all figured out and wont have to bug you guys. lol

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:30 AM

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can't remember, the copyist copies the fancy to make more so you don't have to rewait the librairy time

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:30 AM

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agile depot eventually ill get it all figured out and wont have to bug you guys. lol

i've been there, don't worry

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:31 AM

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im the kind of person that doesnt like to ask for help i try to do it all on my own but some times i run into road blocks that i just cant get past.

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:31 AM

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thing is i need to bug @shell fiber when i get lost 🤣

Now you are here too, it's fun !

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:31 AM

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agile depot im the kind of person that doesnt like to ask for help i try to do it all on my ...

exactly what that faction will do to you 😉

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:31 AM

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im enjoying the mod but some of it is a bit confusing

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i knew it was going to be a learning curve but gees my tiny little brain is smoking at this point. lol

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 1:57 AM

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You have to get in it with the "it's a brand new game" minding

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 1:58 AM

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agile depot im enjoying the mod but some of it is a bit confusing

Maaaaybe I should try to bug tobbert to help me make a tutorial 😅

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 2:02 AM

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shell fiber Maaaaybe I should try to bug tobbert to help me make a tutorial 😅

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

Tenor

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 2:02 AM

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/summon @stone halo

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Do you have some time this week for a tutorial 😅

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 2:04 AM

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or i'm not sure how to make it more instinctive, just the thing that you ahve to make a warehouse to get the anvil and all..... confused me big time on my first run can't they be "in" the cart but the buildings are locked untill you make a district center? that would help ppl finding out about it

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Uuh, the game can have things locked behind an other building's science lock but not behind the buildings being build I think.

But I think having a tutorial that explains that stuff step by step would be nice

radiant heart Jul 3, 2023, 2:34 AM

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ThinkingIT

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trying to find a way you don't need to build wwarehouse for the anvil/....

Is it possible to have a box that spawns once the kart is destroyed that doesn't need a warehouse?

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at least for a first timer it would sure be nice

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once you know you know but i had to ask to know, that's not a nice game design IMO

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or maybe a billboard, if it's clear up top from the mods that the "tutorial" is the billboards... way easier, just have to make them in the right order and a "tuto" tab in the sub menu

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 2:46 AM

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so far no game crash from the production of tar.

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 2:47 AM

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radiant heart or maybe a billboard, if it's clear up top from the mods that the "tutorial" is ...

I could indeed make a billboard 🤔

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Making things spawn out of thin air is not within my capacities though

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 2:50 AM

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radiant heart once you know you know but i had to ask to know, that's not a nice game design I...

Yes but that's base game behaviour... Granted in the base game that is less of an issue because you don't need to wreck stuff before you've likely build some storage

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:13 AM

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ive come acrossed an issue with the mechanics lodge im trying to produce the smelters blue print and the beavers keep taking the gears out and putting them back so it never gets to the 10 gears it needs to produce the blueprint.

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:14 AM

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Aaah shit

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I though I had fixed that 🤔

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Hmm well this is a really problematic thing

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If you want I can tell you how you can hotfix it on your side but otherwise that requires a new update

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:16 AM

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sure whats the info and ill take care of it

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:17 AM

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So you need to quit the game first, then go in the mod folder, specifications and find the one that is likely called "recipespecification.smelter.original.json"

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Or something extremely similar

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Open it with notepad and you should have a list of ingredients

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Well before you quit the game actually

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Oh well

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:19 AM

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lol just closed the game but wont take but a minute to reload the game

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:19 AM

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Okay

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Well I was about to say "check if other recipes in that building use gears"

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:20 AM

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ok

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:22 AM

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shell fiber Open it with notepad and you should have a list of ingredients

In the list of ingredients change the "Gear" with let's say "Clay" and change the value to 50 or something

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That is a game engine bug that happens when a building both uses and consume a sale item, even across different recueillis recipes 🫤

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:23 AM

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all but one of the recipes takes gears the one that doesnt is the sawtoothed gears that are produced

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:23 AM

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What ?

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They all need gears ?

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I though I had checked that 😞

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:23 AM

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they all do. the one that is produced is the sawtoothed gears

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:24 AM

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Well crap

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That needs a more extensive rework maybe

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:24 AM

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how difficult would it be to add the production of the sawtoothed gears to a different factory?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:25 AM

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I think from your side it is complicated

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Let me check

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:25 AM

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ok

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:26 AM

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Wait it's almost noon maybe I can sneak home quickly and hot fix this

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:26 AM

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i can always take a dive into the mod and see what i can come up with. im use to creating mods for other games so it wouldnt take me long to figure it out.

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:26 AM

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If you're okay waiting one hour or so

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:26 AM

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sure im up most of the night any way.

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:27 AM

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Oh where are you from ? I'll currently in Japan (I'm French though)

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:27 AM

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Texas USA

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im of german heritage but born and raised in the us

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:39 AM

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oh, i see

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which version of the game are you using ?

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:39 AM

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4.9.3

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:40 AM

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i just checked and in my last build i purged gears from all blueprints costs

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oh, sorry, i meant mod version

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:41 AM

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2.1.0 off mod.io

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:44 AM

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that is really weird, this is what i have on that version

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letme check what's on mod.io

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there's no error on mod.io either

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:46 AM

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each blue print has the gears

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:47 AM

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try to delete/reinstall the mod i guess 😕
kind of a drag but if it doesn't update properly...

heavy lodge Jul 3, 2023, 3:47 AM

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agile depot 2.1.0 off mod.io

Do you remove the mod folder before installing new version ? Seems left over old specifications.

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:47 AM

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i replace the folder with the updated folder i can try deleting and adding a fresh download of the mod

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:48 AM

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yep that is the old reciepe

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should have been overwitten by the new one but for some reason you stiill have it

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:48 AM

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ok ill redownload the mod and delete the current folder for the mod

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:49 AM

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if you want you can just overwrite the specification folder, but htat's cleaner to wipe it all

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sorry again for the trouble

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:49 AM

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i have learned that some times windows doesnt overwrite the files like it should

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no worries i understand things happen beyond our control. it comes with the use of mods territory

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:50 AM

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okay, i'll head back to lunch /work

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have fun !

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:50 AM

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be sage getting back ill keep you posted.

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safe*

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:52 AM

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Oh I live next door, no worries 😉

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Thanks

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 3:54 AM

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not sure why it says its unsafe.

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lol now i have to figure out the kaolin clay.

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 9:15 AM

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Oh i ditched the kaolin, there's just clay from the clay pit now

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from what i looked up it is chemichally plausible to make glass out of kaolin, but you can also grind it finely to make a clay that has refractory properties

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so it would have been a nice ressource to add in the game

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the thing is the gristmill (that may be renamed "broyer") is a blueprintable building, thus quite far from the early game

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 10:29 AM

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streaming now, because why not

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:24 PM

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what am i doing wrong?

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:24 PM

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shell fiber streaming now, because why not

are you live streaming the game?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:28 PM

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Oh I think I forgot to cut the stream

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Don't know how to log off from cell phone

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:29 PM

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do you have a twitch or youtube?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:29 PM

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No

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I'll just streaming here sometimes

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:29 PM

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oh ok. what am i doing wrong with placing the mine?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:30 PM

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Not sure 😅

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:30 PM

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does it need to go down more?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:30 PM

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Can't tell without a screenshot

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:31 PM

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shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:32 PM

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Oh you do too much on the side

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It's 3x3 plus a staircase

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 12:32 PM

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oh i did 4x4 3 tiles deep

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 12:44 PM

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Ayyye

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 1:10 PM

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how many tiles deep does it need to be?

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 1:43 PM

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oh, sorry

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uh, well four deep

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if you look at it carefully you can try to figure out the exact shape

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putting the camera vertical might help

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 2:35 PM

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game just crashed.

📎 error-report-2023-07-03-09h34m16s.zip

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:06 PM

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you build a Lido right ?

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that's weird, firt time i see this bug. ever

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it's complaining about a type of animation slot that only exist in the lido, yet i never modified this part 🤔

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at least as far as i know

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that is weird, log says you have version 2.0.13

tawdry bronze Jul 3, 2023, 3:17 PM

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shell fiber it's complaining about a type of animation slot that only exist in the lido, yet...

Renamed slot names for update 4? #slot#swiming etc

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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if that's the case i'm very surprised @radiant heart didn't already hit that bug ages ago 🤔

shell fiber Jul 3, 2023, 3:53 PM

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it seems you're correct, but i'll fix that tomorrow

kind spire Jul 3, 2023, 7:50 PM

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shell fiber new update on the 1x1x2 small storage mod 🙂

LOOONG boi

agile depot Jul 3, 2023, 9:31 PM

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shell fiber you build a Lido right ?

i built the lido and placed the water pump inside it

radiant heart Jul 4, 2023, 12:25 AM

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shell fiber if that's the case i'm very surprised <@632743666783485982> didn't already hit t...

never had that bug on V3 but my V4 run doesn't have/need lido irrigation i used the towers and built some sweet haulers house dams, cana give it a try tomorrow ( if i don't forget 😆 )

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actually i would need dynamite for that and i'm far from making some... or i'll just toos a lido in a random spot to test it out

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 12:49 AM

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No need, I tried and it indeed crashes the game

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 1:15 PM

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I have some new stuff !

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because i added the clay pit, i felt it was very wrong to see those white pristine beaver not get all grimy and dirty, so i added a need for that. but because of game limitation i shall spare you from having to deal with soap...for now.

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so i modded the shower to actually remove filth not just wet their fur (filth also takes 3x longer to reach the point where they need to shower) and added a new riverbath thing to drive them to get cleaned in the river

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 1:18 PM

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LOL, was expected something like this, but for mud bath 🤣

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 1:19 PM

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well i didn't really think about the mud bath, but yes

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i should do this too

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but i don't like the mud bath so much

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because my beavers make stew, they shall make a STEW BATH !

MUAHAHAHAHAHA !

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 1:47 PM

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I'll be uploading the mod soon

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It's up

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IMPORTANT !

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before you update, save your game, destroy your mud pit if you have one, then save the game again

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the game seemed oddly upset at not finding the "need applier" property in the existing building when i added it

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analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:05 PM

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shell fiber

👀

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what's this?

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:05 PM

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a river bath 🙂

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for filthy beaver to get cleaned up

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:06 PM

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oooooooo

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damn

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ok that is very smart, i like it!

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reminds me also a bit of a building that used to exist, where beavers would drink directly from the river

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i cant recall what it was called, but i feel this could be reutilized in your mod if it doesn't exist already!

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 2:08 PM

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shell fiber a river bath 🙂

Hope it's 1 tile depth, only ....

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:08 PM

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yes only one deep

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:09 PM

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analog zodiac i cant recall what it was called, but i feel this could be reutilized in your mo...

well won't they get sick from drinking directly from the river

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oh, important precision : beavers will refuse to work when too grimy

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:09 PM

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shell fiber well won't they get sick from drinking directly from the river

that is the justification given for removing the building BeaverDabbing

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:09 PM

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analog zodiac that is the justification given for removing the building <:BeaverDabbing:762743...

ahah

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but there is waterpumps

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htat's almost the same

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:09 PM

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but yeah, that building got replaced w waterpumps

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which i recall back when it happened caused quite a stir

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but the old building was too useful tbh; you didnt need to store water and redistribute it across your village cus you could just plot one of these by the river, and beavers would go, have a drink, and carry on

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 2:11 PM

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shell fiber well won't they get sick from drinking directly from the river

Sick from untreated water, solved with need for active carbon to eat 🤣

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:12 PM

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analog zodiac but the old building was too useful tbh; you didnt need to store water and redis...

well yeah, and if you think about it, why even have a building then ? just... drink in the river wherever you like

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:12 PM

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exactly!

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i do feel these buildings could come back, but w a modifier that if a beaver drinks raw water they could potentially get sick from it being unfiltered

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thus more reasons to utilize medicine as well BeaverDabbing

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:17 PM

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true that medicine is kind of useless

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:17 PM

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i feel the bigger issue w medicine is that illnesses are kinda... not really dangerous

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they're just temporary debuffs, but the injuries and illnesses never lead to beavers losing their lives, esp in the case they might need treatment

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which i both kinda like, cus it allows for a chiller game experience, and kinda dislike, cus yeah it is ultimately just temporary a debuff

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:18 PM

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but even if they die, there's no penalty for that

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:19 PM

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in which we turn timberborn into the pathologic simulator

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quick, make a polyhedron

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:19 PM

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ahah

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i just realized i made a terrible mistake

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was wondering why everything was so easy

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:19 PM

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oh no

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:20 PM

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i had left the cabbage set to make 3 cabbages

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while at the same time a cabbage is worth three food

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so i had accidentally made a mega-crop

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:23 PM

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LMAO

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amazing

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cabbage, the food of the future

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 PM

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i'm thinking about something... what if you couldn't plant dandelions and berries ?

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you'd be forced to protect them where they are 🤔

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 PM

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oooooooooooo

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 PM

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that gives incentive to expand to this or that location...

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hmm....

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 PM

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good points!!

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and to also preserve nature as well

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 PM

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let's fix the cabbage then do that 🙂

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yeah 🙂

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 PM

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BeaverDabbing 🔥

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:28 PM

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but should i go completely unplantable, or just requires very high tech ? 🤔

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maybe unplantable is best

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let's hope the "toolspecification" trick works on plants

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to make them devmode

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 2:30 PM

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shell fiber but even if they die, there's no penalty for that

Penalty ? Maybe all beavers refuse to work couple game hours, to say good bye to unlucky beaver that past away ?

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:33 PM

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that seems difficult to do

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escpecially when you don't know how to code

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:33 PM

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heavy lodge Penalty ? Maybe all beavers refuse to work couple game hours, to say good bye to...

hmmmm

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i could see potential in this, esp if there are things like commemorating the last day of wet or dry season for instance, where beavers celebrate for instance as well

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but i could see, if the game tracked the genealogy of the beavers and from whom they came from, to have a need to pay respects to their departed family members, thus an x amount of beavers are out of action, or underperforming for a day, maybe more if we wanna be more realistic/hardcore

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cus grieving aint easy, esp if the death was not from old age

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 2:37 PM

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A dead beaver last a time until game remove-it. That remove could end the commemorative period ?

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:38 PM

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hmmm, yeah!

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how long is that timer?

heavy lodge Jul 4, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Now couple of.... minute in game time, maybe

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:44 PM

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aye, makes sense; should probs be caluclated in terms of in-game days as well to make a more accurate assessment

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 2:45 PM

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if you can slap an aura on the corpse, that's a pretty easy thing to do, have it emit a need that prevent works and you're good to go

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:45 PM

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~~also, loving how the water beaver is becoming the hub for all the wild timberborn ideas too xD ~~

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 2:45 PM

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shell fiber if you can slap an aura on the corpse, that's a pretty easy thing to do, have it...

aye, that's a simple and neat solution

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question - are corpses movable, or are they immboile always?

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cus then the potential of a graveyard and a graveyard keeper does increase; someone tending to the departed and removing them from in-game

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taking them to their final resting place and all that

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 3:19 PM

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analog zodiac question - are corpses movable, or are they immboile always?

to be honest, i have no idea how anything in the beavers work

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and as far as i know, they don't interact with each other

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ahah !

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victory !

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 3:21 PM

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BeaverDabbing 🔥 🔥

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 3:26 PM

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actually let's remove the bramble flowers too

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i mean 'hide'

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oh, wait no that's a bad idea

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there is maps with none maybe

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 3:34 PM

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😔

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 3:41 PM

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but it's okay, no one in his right mind would plant those more than necessary

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uploaded 2.1.2 to be honest this one might ruin your game if you've (carelessly) ripped out all of your dandelions 😅
make sure to replant some before updating 😉

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 3:46 PM

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honestly, would be a cool mechanic if there was forraging of some kind

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where in order to unlock specific trees, you'd have to actually find nuts and berries they're made out of

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instead of just unlocking everything

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would lead also to themed maps as well

shell fiber Jul 4, 2023, 3:53 PM

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yep

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i'd like to have planting actually need seeds

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isn't there a roadmap for the game ?

analog zodiac Jul 4, 2023, 4:17 PM

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nah

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that one's close to the devs' chests only lol

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 9:06 AM

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streaming mod playthrough 🙂

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 9:58 AM

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lies

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 11:24 AM

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oh yeah i had a zoom for one hour ish

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i may have accidentally created a new defeat condition 😅

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the filth-pocalypse

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:42 PM

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what is going on here

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i make a tiny change to the tree stup of my pink tree, and now i have this :

[Error  : Unity Log] Failed to read data for the AssetBundle 'C:\Users\lapan\Documents\Timberborn\Water beaver overhaul\ThunderKit\BepInExPack\BepInEx\plugins\WaterBeaverFaction\plugins\WaterBeaverFaction\assets\icons_and_textures'.```

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:43 PM

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shell fiber i make a tiny change to the tree stup of my pink tree, and now i have this : ```...

Ask help from the mod maker Happybee

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:44 PM

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is it timber API related ?

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:44 PM

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No absolute no idea

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corrupted file ?

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:45 PM

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i tried deleting staging and rebuilding but that didn't help

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Change back waht you changed ?

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:46 PM

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already did

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:46 PM

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Did you commit your work 🙂

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:47 PM

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well not really i just keep modifying my stuff

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:47 PM

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timefall_green_oof

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Try to revert it manually as best as you can I thin

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The error makes no sense at least fo rme

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:48 PM

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hmm

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:48 PM

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https://forum.unity.com/threads/unable-to-read-header-from-archive-file.955392/

Unity Forum

Resolved - Unable to read header from archive file

Hi all,

I'm loading scenes in the following way:

using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;
using...

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You sur ehave the correct string used ?

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:49 PM

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i never changed it

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:49 PM

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Have you removed all files from staging

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and the place it gets dumbed after

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and then rebuild

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:50 PM

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uh ? it's okay now

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:50 PM

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thonkeyes

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:50 PM

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not sure what i did

arctic olive Jul 5, 2023, 12:50 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/moana-gif-25791948

Tenor

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 12:53 PM

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let's never touch that thing ever again 😐

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okay, back to streaming then

shell fiber Jul 5, 2023, 3:23 PM

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well, my village died because of my mistakes 😐

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turns out the map "new yosemite" is hard

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who would have thought

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good night folks !

radiant heart Jul 5, 2023, 7:46 PM

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looks like i misssed quite a party! 2 days way and shit never got this active in here 🤣

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 12:55 AM

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It felt empty without you 😉 you missed like 5 updates 😅

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:54 AM

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that's sure not gonna help the download counter

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so i guess i should delete the file prior to uploading ? 😉

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 2:26 AM

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well, been on the loading screen for 15 mins, looks like something is going wrong

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trying some custom maps for shits and giggles, the way ramble works, it has to be a primitive food source if you wanna have less maps that just won't work sith the WB

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like that's not gonna last 1 cycle since the ramble is useless early on and it replaces starting wood that is kinda required

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keep it in, just make it kinda like the tress, 1 "log" ( talked about it already) when cut and the flower is a harvest ( chestnuts and the wood)

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like you don'T even have enough wood to make 1 water pump since bramble replaces some wood

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well, confirmed, that map doesn't work, not even enough wood to make a pump ... because ramble, thaT's clearly an issue IMO

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 3:26 AM

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and looks like previous save is totaly fucked up... been waiting 1h on the loading screen

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is the lido fixed?

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 3:46 AM

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clay for wood burner.... I feel like early game is getting a serious beat up...

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thanks i built some prior to that update 😂

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:24 AM

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Lido is fixed

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 5:25 AM

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radiant heart keep it in, just make it kinda like the tress, 1 "log" ( talked about it already...

In that case...

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Hmm

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I think the best solution is to make the pink tree look bigger, give 3 mod every 15 days (better rate than pine) while the brambles give 1 log on cutting but can be harvested for flowers

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But then should I swap the replacement property for pink birch replaces oak and maple while brambles replace normal birch 🤔

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That mean brambles are an endless source of wood but requires an army of lumberjacks because the harvesting time is insane (4 hours, might go back to 8 if they give wood)

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Also replacing birch ensure pretty much every map has some 🤔

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Which means I likely can hide the planting tool

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:10 PM

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still might want to plant some on a huge map where drylands become wet later on tho

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does harvesting and cutting time has to be the same or it can be let's say 1h for the flower and 4h for the wood?

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:15 PM

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shell fiber But then should I swap the replacement property for pink birch replaces oak and ...

with pink birch at a log per 5 day it's the most efficient so i guess yes it should replace maple/oak

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 1:35 PM

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i set destruction at 4h, harvesting wood at 8 (just have a bazillion lumberjack, that's infinite wood) and flower harvesting also at 4 hours

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i felt that it would help keep your beavers busy since you always have useless mouths to feed 😅

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:37 PM

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sounds right, at the speed it spreads it's gonna be a nice infinite wood source, not super efficient tho so forester doessn't become useless

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 1:39 PM

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well it's also going to be hell clearing the space once you want to get rid of them 😅

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:40 PM

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there is a cool trick for that but not gonna say anything or you'll make it not working 🤫

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 1:53 PM

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puttin paths everywhere ?

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:53 PM

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that sure is a way

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but not sure if it's going to grow over the paths again so might not be the best solution

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 1:54 PM

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no it won't

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there is an other solution but 🤫

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:54 PM

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"cheater mode" 🤣

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 1:55 PM

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this one too

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there is a non-cheaty solution but i won't say

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 1:56 PM

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can you build over it?

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wait a min, does it spread over a "planting zone" let's say i don't have a forester nearby and mark the zone to plant branble.... will it spread over the zone it should be planted? That sure is a way better option then the paths if it works

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 2:26 PM

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i didn't try that but i think it works

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which is not cool

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 2:26 PM

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still ppl need to think about it... it's not obvious

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 2:27 PM

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yeah

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plus blocking them off is not actually hard

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there's no real point "cheating" to contain them, because they tend to contain themselves pretty easy

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unless you start with that next to your village, in case a path does the trick

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anyway, i wasted most of my evening fighting against some mind-boggling nonsense bug comming from nowhere

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now i can play, but i have like one hour before going to sleep so i might as well watch some anime instead

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i uploaded 2.1.3

radiant heart Jul 6, 2023, 2:30 PM

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have fun!

shell fiber Jul 6, 2023, 2:30 PM

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have fun 🙂

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thx

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:33 AM

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shell fiber i uploaded 2.1.3

I already was on 2.1.3 so is it 2.1.4 but you did a little typo or ???

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mmm, how the F do I make a path to those pumps.... ThinkingIT

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shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:49 AM

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🤔

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:49 AM

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shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:49 AM

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I guess some elements of more platforms could be in order

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:50 AM

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gonna sucke but it's the only "easy" way without cheaters buildings

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:50 AM

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This works too

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:50 AM

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don't even have the smelter, BP is at 30% 😂

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:50 AM

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radiant heart gonna sucke but it's the only "easy" way without cheaters buildings

Honestly that's not a solution I particularly dislike

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:51 AM

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i like it but gonna take forever to build

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:51 AM

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The factory must grow 😅

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:51 AM

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at least it gives me 2 spot for rooftop terraces at the same time

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:53 AM

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radiant heart I already was on 2.1.3 so is it 2.1.4 but you did a little typo or ???

In case of doubt just erase whatever you have installed and DL the new one 😉

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:53 AM

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it's already getting to a descent size

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250pop, wellbeeing moving around 28

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:54 AM

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Nice 👍

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:55 AM

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is the bramble modified in the last version, would like to give another go to that custom map i tried 2-3 days ago but without that iT's just impossible

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?

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:56 AM

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radiant heart

I think you aussi could build some sort of warehouse ziggurat and link everything with bridges

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:56 AM

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radiant heart is the bramble modified in the last version, would like to give another go to th...

Yep

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:56 AM

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true, but most storages would en up not connected i suppose, or it's gonna be a logistic nightmare i don't feel like going for

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:57 AM

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shell fiber I think you aussi could build some sort of warehouse ziggurat and link everythin...

Now that it think about it, we need more buildings like the bridge House

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Typically the 2x3 warehouses and 3x3 industrial piles should only require corner support

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 1:58 AM

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buildings like the big tent that has 2 ways is super cool, also the librairy that can be used as a stair, that's something you came up with that is very nice

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 1:59 AM

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I'll try to make a few others but there is limitations

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I think with small side overhang platforms and bridge buildings it should be possible to stack up without real blockage

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Oh also making glass is for now not possible

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So I don't know what I'll do with the super platforms

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:01 AM

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idk, one one side you want ppl to do dumb big dams with buildings but on the otherside making path is just a nightmare....

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see what i mean?

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:03 AM

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I think so 😅

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But I don't want people to just build a scaffolding tower 🤔

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So I think overhang platforms are the best choice

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:04 AM

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the big issue is one you can't control sadly, the thing with watertight/non-watertight buildings beeing built over one and another

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ain't there something in the "tunnel mod" that could solve a part of it?

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or the "water pipe" one? 🤔

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:05 AM

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Not as far as I know

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:05 AM

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radiant heart the big issue is one you can't control sadly, the thing with watertight/non-wate...

Not sure what you mean tbh

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Watertight is only on top of watertight

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:06 AM

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let's say i want to build a water pump but i can't have a square over a platform, simple like that

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:06 AM

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Ah

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Well log dam or dynamite + watertight building

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But I want to make more useful watertight houses

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Typically a farm helper watertight house

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(cannot plant but otherwise is a farmhouse)

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:08 AM

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at the price you made the levees, they could work like "normal" ones almost 😉 and thanks for the 3high one, didn't use it yet but sure gonna help someday

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:08 AM

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Actually it's 2 high I made a typo

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:08 AM

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lol

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:10 AM

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I'll think of other things regarding platforms and pathing

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:10 AM

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didn't you bring back the stews to the small tents or we just talked about it and it's not getting back in there? can't remember

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:11 AM

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Uuh early game is just sauerkraut, braised cabbage and awful stew

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:11 AM

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kk

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:11 AM

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When you have science unlocked you can build kitchen houses

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With unlocks the other stews

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:12 AM

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( and yes, latest should be 2.1.4, bramble is still the old way on 2.1.3) 😉

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:12 AM

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🧐

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What ?

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:12 AM

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shell fiber When you have science unlocked you can build kitchen houses

you mean grill? or that is changed also on 2.1.4?

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:12 AM

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Grill is out

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So is the bakery btw

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:13 AM

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kk

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:13 AM

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Might come back in an other role though

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:13 AM

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well, according to mod manager i'm on 2.1.3 and got a grill and bramble is only flowers 😉

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:14 AM

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Oh maybe it's messed up something

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Try manual update from mod.io

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:14 AM

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i didn'T update, just seems like the number didn't go up on your update in the last 24h

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so mod manager soesn't tell me i have an update available

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i don't care anyway, testing out the clay buildins and baths/chowers

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:16 AM

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Oh okay

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Maybe I had a brain fart and forgot to upload

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I'm more and more thinking about remaking all of the bridges

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So that they occupy less their resting tile and don't require an other place to turn

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:19 AM

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shell fiber I'm more and more thinking about remaking all of the bridges

but why, with the suspended and metal bridges there is already a ton of options, better put your efforts on other stuff IMO

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:19 AM

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shell fiber So that they occupy less their resting tile and don't require an other place to ...

OOOOO corner connections! I LIKE !

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like this here would not need the platforms?

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:20 AM

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Yeah but typically, take the irrigation tower, I would want to be able to make a bridge from it to connect (in front of the door) and not block the other one tile

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You would still need one of course

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But that's the idea

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 AM

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one, not 3

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Yeah

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:21 AM

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*4

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that sure would be cool

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:22 AM

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That requires reworking the model too, but that would be the same change six times

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Not extremely hard

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:22 AM

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gonna hit the bed, i'm brain dead.

Good news, caly/bath/showers seems to work properly!

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:22 AM

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And that would open a lot of possibilities

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GN !

radiant heart Jul 7, 2023, 2:23 AM

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only thing left is to flood the bath over 1 tile but that's gonna be for another day 😉

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Have a good one!

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 2:24 AM

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radiant heart only thing left is to flood the bath over 1 tile but that's gonna be for another...

Should flood it

pine geyser Jul 7, 2023, 10:54 AM

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there is nothing on industrial option and i cannot find lumberjack on the bar

shell fiber Jul 7, 2023, 11:01 AM

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pine geyser there is nothing on industrial option and i cannot find lumberjack on the bar

the lumberjack is now in the "village" tab

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 12:29 AM

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time for second try on slim pickin with the branble now giving wood!

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hope i get to build pump that time around

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mm, 0 brambles at the start? how did the rss been ratributed?

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WTF is that log size ??😂

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not sure, are the non-seeded beries a thing you managed in the mod or it's just this map? anyway food gonna be rough at start but beavers are getting a cute little setlement

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does water have to be at least 0,5 high?

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 1:19 AM

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aaah, shit

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i had set the minimum to 0.4 but it was too high, i had the same issue on an other map

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i feel 0.1 is too low visually but it needs to work even with minimal water

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 1:26 AM

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fixed the bath but clay is too far ...

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with how deep in the tech the dams are, it has to work with barly no water IMO

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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uploaded a new version where they only need 0,1

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tell me if it's better 🙂

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 2:58 AM

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it's fixed so... i managed, but it was shitty

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buildings are paused only because path is not reaching due to seeding trees, not to cheat 😉

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the not connected notice was bugging me

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anything else new on that upload worth closing and reopening?

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 AM

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well it adds an assistant farmhouse that is stackable and watertight, but can't plant crops

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i'm considering giving it some pointless crop that will only be there to remove the "nothing to do" mark when there is nothing to harvest

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:03 AM

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shell fiber i'm considering giving it some pointless crop that will only be there to remove ...

good idea, but not pointless, needs something to do with it since we go over the trouble of doing it 😉

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:04 AM

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on my save i barely managed to build an irrigation tower to save my last 2 dandelions 😅

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:04 AM

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holy shit, just noticed you can't plant those anymore

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and berries... that's gonna be an issue on some maps for sure

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:06 AM

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well, not all maps are meant for the waterbeavers 😅

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:06 AM

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a good faction should be playable on any map ( and on hard mode) 😆

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:09 AM

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ShrugFT

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if there is no berries nor dandelions accessible, it's the mapmaker's fault 😉

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:20 AM

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berries are usually available near the start on any map ( kinda must be for IT and the breeding pods) but dandelion... it's not an early game thing so... let's say ok for no berries planting but dandelions kinda required, even some base maps they are far enough that if you don't rush for it they dry and need to plant some

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:26 AM

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If you don't manage to build a dam after the 2-nd drought in hard mode, most, if not all bushes will dried out in the 3-rd drought ...

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:26 AM

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well, really don't play on hard mode 😅

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i really like the concept of plants you can't grow yourself, so you have to protect them

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:27 AM

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and making a damn with WB is quite an accomplishment in 2 cycles, remember my first play and i was all happy ( on normal) to do it by the start of 2nd drought

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now i don't really care, i play more relax and try dumb shit 😂

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:28 AM

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shell fiber i really like the concept of plants you can't grow yourself, so you have to prot...

them, make the vanilla levee available from the start, but , to cost, let say, 100 logs each ...

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:29 AM

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i'd like to, but it's not possible to put a cost on plants

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:30 AM

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dam levee 🤣

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:30 AM

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and any cost that is actually achievable would undermine the concept seriously i think 😅

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:30 AM

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heavy lodge them, make the vanilla levee available from the start, but , to cost, let say, 1...

levees are nicely priced, problem is you can't pu one on the side of another

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:31 AM

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vanila one's, you can

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:31 AM

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that's the point 😅
otherwise you could make an entire wall out of them, and you're just playing weird folktails again 🤔

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:33 AM

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but, if will cost a lot of logs to build-them, will be not so funny in the earlier stages of the game 👹

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:34 AM

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hmm... cost is largely irrelevant if you ask me, it just drags on the waiting game

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:38 AM

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Then make the dam to cost 100 logs and 20 resins . Will be a headache, since almost all buildings use resins 🐸

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:40 AM

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you can just build an irrigation tower to keep the dandelions alive you know 😅 probably less expensive

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:41 AM

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the path to get there tho, sometimes it's impossible

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:41 AM

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I hate the irigation towers in this game ...

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:41 AM

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but i made them better 😥

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and you can always stack up a house or two, put logstairs and so on

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:42 AM

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"better" sure are cool but the lvl2 entrance is a bit hard early on with all you need to get up there

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:43 AM

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hmm... i could make a crappy one 🤔

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like 1x1, on the floor, but only irrigates in a 4-5 radius

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just to keep the dandelions and berries alive

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seems a good plan

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:46 AM

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shell fiber just to keep the dandelions and berries alive

So, we had to make a choice ... To keep bushes alive during first's droughts, or to die from thirst , if you don't have enough stored water 🤣

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:47 AM

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in normal mode it takes a good 5-6 cycles before the drought really get long

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so if you play in hard mode... well you get the pain you asked for 😅

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:48 AM

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after 2200 hours in Timberborn, to play normal mode ? Are you joking ? 🐸

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:49 AM

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well if you like a game that is 60% drought 40% rainy season that's up to you. i think the hard mode is not hard, it's boring

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if you want a challenge i'm playing on some pretty insane map by puppy

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even on normal mode, it's hell

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i don't know why i keep playing it, maybe i'm just too stubborn to call it quits 😅

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:51 AM

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heavy lodge after 2200 hours in Timberborn, to play normal mode ? Are you joking ? 🐸

I'm only up to 1,5k hours, 2/3 of that was on hard mode !

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:52 AM

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shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:52 AM

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but you would have reached the same point in 1000 hours in normal mode because of all the time spend waiting 😬

radiant heart Jul 8, 2023, 3:53 AM

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not that much waiting, they can build in the drought

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:53 AM

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but no power, sometime no crop growth either

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unless you have masisve battery storage and wind turbines, but i always felt that undermines the 'beaver" part

heavy lodge Jul 8, 2023, 3:54 AM

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You have wind for FT and logs to burn for IT 😆

shell fiber Jul 8, 2023, 3:55 AM

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cries in waterwheel

#Water Beaver Overhaul