Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

some placement issues

[radiant heart]

when you go that way it's less of an issue, could do tempo landing for balloons and destroy later

With the red seed i was expecting something more like a Xmas tree 🤣

[shell fiber]

ahah

[radiant heart]

Base is 3x3 or 4x4?

[shell fiber]

well it's white because the texture is broken moslty 😅
and red icon = building core

base is intended as 3x3

but it will need to be planted in a "cradle" of sorts

or by a specific building (not forester)

[radiant heart]

kinda the "no forester faction" i tought about, needs a "seed bank"

i guess the best would be something that fits tomatoes and grapes, like the rails are also fences to dump in the big boy

[shell fiber]

oh i intended that to be different things

actually i think it would be pretty cool to make a faction that builds treehouses

pretty sure i can arrange slots in the tree to place houses and stuff

[radiant heart]

sadly that faction needs jobs not housing 😉

[shell fiber]

ahahah

[radiant heart]

point of merging grape/tomatoesmwith the big boy is to keep the menu not too crowded, it's getting messy down there

[shell fiber]

you mean the various plants ?

[radiant heart]

kinda like super platforms beeing a submenu would be nice

[shell fiber]

aah, yes, sure

easy to do with the new TimberAPI

[radiant heart]

even vanilla should use that and wrap platforms in on tap/submenu

My turn to get some rest, got a 3D weekend here so might be out till Tuesday!
Later👋

[shell fiber]

GN !

[shell fiber]

giant sequoia and sequoia cradle mostly ready 🙂

[split sparrow]

Redwood?

I mean...Whitewood? 😂

60 days and gives 60 wood?
Do you have that as a single mod? Would be fun to plant some of them.

Actually, more than 60, since it takes more space as well.

60 x the amount of tiles.

[shell fiber]

Actually it's going to give a few "giant logs" but this should be cuttable into planks I suppose.

Also the leaves are white because the tree textures are weird 😅

And giant logs are to be used as is for some buildings

[split sparrow]

Interesting

[jolly scarab]

Is loving this mod but struggling to get goods moving between districts. Did anybody have an idea on this?

[shell fiber]

Well the very concept of district is klunky no matter how you put it...
but you're in luck, update 4 will make districts mostly unnecessary, and easier to handle.
i need to update the mod to V4 though.

[radiant heart]

With update 4, that faction is perfect if workers would prioritize living the closer they can to the place they work

that is also gonna be the end of my diorama run just a tad sooner then expected

actually game is not even loading the first menu, is it possible that the faction mod would do that? 🤔

[heavy lodge]

You need a new version of ModManager and TimberAPI. ModManager can only be install by hand, delete the old folder from plugins folder and unpack the new one downloaded from ModIO

[shell fiber]

For now i have no version of the mod that is compatible with V4 (i'll start today)

so if you want you can choose to stay on V3 if you want to finish your run

[shell fiber]

that's indeed part of the plan

[shell fiber]

whelp, enough for today. cleaned up a bunch of clutter

[radiant heart]

since it was very close to the end i'll probably just leave it there. Was just balancing food so i get more sunflower seeds and less of the ones that fill up storage and are not even beeing fully harvested.

Was first time messsing around with super platforms and they are quite cool, wish they would fit on more buildings, specialy the ones that are ground only like the mush grower. Is the top of the super platform considered ground so "ground-only" could get up there?

Will probably go for a IT run to see how they evolved with the update and get back to WB later.

[radiant heart]

mod manager and API needs to be done manually or only ModManager? cauz i did only Mod manager and game still wo't open, stuck on a black screen 😦

[heavy lodge]

Mod Manager need to be installed manually. But, TimberAPI, despite been downloaded with ModManager, first, need to be removed (delete the folder on plugins folder of BeepinEx). This, because the old version of TimberAPI crashes the game !

[radiant heart]

thanks, made it to the first menu!

time to disable those lovely WB and give IT a go!

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber just ran into a situation i'd love those watertight storage houses, need to build a reservoir!

[shell fiber]

Oh, nice. But are you going to use water storage or normal storage to wall it off ?

Oh you're playing with the v4 IT 😅

[radiant heart]

would be water most probably, normal stuff is quite easy to plie up, tanks don't stack that nicely ( except for those you made, really nice quality of life)

[radiant heart]

stackable tanks would be awesome on an individual mod, is it that hard to do on V4? ( yeah i know you got a lot to deal with but if it's simple...)

afterall it's one of your building mod( mush farm) that got me into the WB and addicted. Having those buildongs available for other factions sure can bring other ppl to it

[shell fiber]

probably can do quite easily 🙂

oh you mean stackable versions of the medium 2x2 tank ?

yeah that's trivial to make, i already have my gaz tank model ready if i want

[shell fiber]

also don't forget that my main priority for now is to rebuild the mod on V4 😅

[radiant heart]

no, the small 1 block one

[shell fiber]

Oh I already did 😅
I added them to the 1x1x2 shall storage mod 😉

[radiant heart]

does it work on V4?

could sure use those on that super tiny map !

[shell fiber]

They should

Still not watertight though

[radiant heart]

can live with that, need to stack shit up since space is even worst then diorama 😅

[shell fiber]

Ahah

[radiant heart]

and used "cheater mode" to remove one of the 2 underground ruins, no way you can have to working on that map with IT, i guess with FT since it can make science from nothing it could be usefull but with IT... second one is pointless, so removed and placed a temple there

[heavy lodge]

You can use the second underground ruins for for Geothermal power plant. Will no need anymore any source of power, gravity battery and have enough power for all discord players 😜

[shell fiber]

was this mod updated ?🤔

[heavy lodge]

Last updated 5 days ago ... I assume it's for U4, but, not info on ModIO 🥳

Ya, was updated ... Look here : #1078602903822020639 message

[radiant heart]

Geothermal plant without bots is a beaver grinder, not sure i'd have the reproduction rate to keep feeding it beavers 🤔

[carmine dragon]

It is sad that people are letting beavers die from acute radiation syndrome without caring about their well-being
If they had some longer lifespan, they would be much more stable because they would not die in a day

[radiant heart]

even with a super high wellbeeing and the lifespan increased like crazy, it's still a grinder

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber Just a tought for the covered tank, could it be possible that the bleu rim around the door matches the color of the thing in it since we can't see inside of the tank like the open ones? The little board in front is not easy to see when you're zoomed out a bit

got it, no biggie, if it was an easy thing would have been nice but don't bother if it's going to be anightmare

Maybe keep the shroom icon diffrent since yours can be eaten raw and not the IT ones

"portobelo" let's get fancy!

ok, it's not that fancy... but fits the icon, would need truffles to go over the top fancy but those would have to be a crop since they grow undergound. Would not be proper for the grower i guess

[shell fiber]

nah i like those 🙂

it's paris mushrooms for me

but beavers don't know what paris is

😅

i don't know if portobello is clear to most people

because it's not for me 🤫

i should go to bed soon

leaving early tomorrow

[radiant heart]

GN !

[shell fiber]

aaah, what's it's problem

it can't find something

[radiant heart]

could it be the shrooms since yours are eatable raw and not the vanila ones?

[shell fiber]

no my shrooms have a s at the end, so as far as the game is concerned that's a completely unrelated thing

dakuf

[radiant heart]

At that point it's shitty but is it complicated to like disable all buildings to see if it's straight up un the faction programmming or a particular building that cause the problem? 🤔

[shell fiber]

long story short yes

i'm trying to load up all the specifications first

[shell fiber]

making some progress 🙂
could load all of the specifications, icons and textures

now attempting to bulk-load the buidlings

[shell fiber]

slowly taking shape 😄

[shell fiber]

It's alive !

Everything seems more or less functionnal, but i have a bazillion tiny things i need to correct, and maybe some long overdue changes i need to make.

in addition to the 200 suggestions from @radiant heart 😅

shortlist for myself :

• fix the 1x2 and 2x3 building sites (already done 1x1, 2x2 and 3x3)

• fix all of the storage building banners (including the two houses)

• paint everything pink

• add the "scaffolding" ressource, add it to the architect's lodge

• remove cogs from the handicrafter, give it to the mechanic's lodge

• make comics consummable (artist's lodge & copist lodge)

• add balloons reciepe to the handicrafter (to make balloons and keep them busy)

• add scaffolding cost to all platforms and platform-like storages, make roofless storages that don't require scaffolding

• take a decision about what to do with the buried storage from the FT

• rework the entire food system away from the FT and IT : FT grill & cook, IT ferment & "process" stuff, so for the WP everything will be stew ?

• add in the pink trees, and a funny surprise 🤫

[shell fiber]

good night !

[analog zodiac]

'ello been a while! how's the mod coming along for the faction? 👀

oh shoot we got balloons now?!

[shell fiber]

oh long time no see !

yes there is a balloon trader now 🙂

[analog zodiac]

i need to catch up on so much lolol

[shell fiber]

oh but it's not yet ready for V4

[analog zodiac]

👀

[shell fiber]

i want to take the opportunity to rework a bunch of things

[analog zodiac]

aye!

so what's you been adding to the water beavs?

lmao that's a big ask honestly 😅

[shell fiber]

since list time i saw you ? i lost track 😅

among the important things, i changed the houses and stuff to be completely watertight, including the door voxel which changes gameplay quite a lot (otherwise some weird behaviors were possible)

so now building only get flooded when covered with water

we added a new crop with the help of wolfess

[analog zodiac]

lmao that's good honestly, you've kept busy af i see!

[shell fiber]

(pumpkins, whihc is 2x2 and cause random planting

[analog zodiac]

ooooooooo

that sounds so interesting

and also cool re new crop!

[shell fiber]

to be honest i didn't mod much in the last month since V4 was breaking the mod 😅

oh and something i'm quite proud of an really like is the water pump upgrade

i opened a few occupancies in the waterpump and made a building that can be placed on top

[analog zodiac]

ohohoho

yah that sounds fantastic

i need to find time and try both U4 and then the mod as well

[shell fiber]

https://thumb.modcdn.io/mods/4e92/2766781/thumb_1020x2000/c0e18106a8f658f4285966914ccceea.4.jpg

where you around when i made a "research" system ?

there's blueprints to make in order to make some advanced buildings

well, lots of stuff, i had quite some fun with the game 🙂

[analog zodiac]

YO WHAT

whilst duda and the rest of the devs are busy making Timberborn, you are straight up building Timberborn 2

[shell fiber]

shortlist for myself :

• fix the 1x2 and 2x3 building sites (already done 1x1, 2x2 and 3x3) ✅

• fix all of the storage building banners (including the two houses)✅

• paint everything pink ✅

• add the "scaffolding" ressource, add it to the architect's lodge ✅

• remove cogs from the handicrafter, give it to the mechanic's lodge ✅

• add scaffolding cost to all platforms and platform-like storages, make roofless storages that don't require scaffolding

• take a decision about what to do with the buried storage from the FT

• rework the entire food system away from the FT and IT : FT grill & cook, IT ferment & "process" stuff, so for the WP everything will be stew ?

• add in the pink trees, and a funny surprise 🤫

[radiant heart]

Everything stew some solid food is nice in a diet you know 😉

[heavy lodge]

Maybe will have thirst also fulfilled when eating 🤣

[radiant heart]

think it's more in the 50 range, kept a few for myself 🤣

[shell fiber]

not strictly everything, let's be nice 🙂

[shell fiber]

did a few thihngs

[analog zodiac]

ooooo

what's the bottom building?

also cherry blossoms!

will cherries become a resource? and cherry pies?

[radiant heart]

Non-stackable warehouse 🤔 guess they gonna require super platforms?

[shell fiber]

It's my modified district crossing, I wanted it stackable and with less workers, but I got lazy and just modified the warehouse

[shell fiber]

Nah this is just early game junk, because you will need to make scaffolding in the architect's lodge.

But then it makes sense for all platforms-like buildings to cost scaffolding (basically one scaffolding =one simple platform), which includes the warehouses because basically they are platforms with crap stored under them. But we still need storage early game so I need to make a roofless variant

Problem is that in a way houses also could arguably need scaffolding, but I don't want to charge that

And realistically you can just build your scaffolding on site without needing a pre-made one

[radiant heart]

Any idea when a V4 edition gonna release? kinda reached the end of the road on the tiny map thing, not much more i can do unless going full retard on side platforms and with the amount of space to plant the wood takes forever to gather

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Well it works now, mostly. I'm afraid it's full of bugs at the moment, Typically I think I need to adjust stuff on every building that has Beaver slots.

Maybe this weekend ?

[analog zodiac]

ooooo interesting! i thought it was like a stackable cafeteria thing 😁

[analog zodiac]

best of luck dude!

[radiant heart]

don't stress about it, it will be there when we get it, just curious
C'ant wait to burn my eyes with all that pink 🤣

[shell fiber]

no problem, i'm having fun poking at things

[shell fiber]

is that mostly what i wanted to do about storage ?

some roofless box piles, the storage house that was kind of pointless is now much larger so it has actual value, notably as a dam element

added the IT covered pile, but it requires both science and scaffoldings

platforms and doubleplatforms now requite heavy stackable (watertight) under them, but accept only light stackable (non-watertight)

which should limit scaffold towers

(you can still pile up tons of warhouses though)

oh i need to take care of the dependencies

[heavy lodge]

Strange mod . Cannot be played by girls, since is too hard, in the same time, cannot be played by boys, it's too pink. Even buildings are pink 😁

[shell fiber]

well their main wood source is some pink cotton candy tree 😅

very unfortunate 😇

[heavy lodge]

LOL

Those beavers deserve a pink ice cream treatment 😂

[shell fiber]

but i wonder if the platforms being pink is not a bit excessive 🤔
basically the color palette is

• pink (structural elements)
• yellow wood (roof and flat surfaces, door frames)
• white wood (other structural elements)

[heavy lodge]

Must be a warning... don't spend to much time playing with this faction, or you may belive that the life is pink 🥳

or the monitor ... ?

[shell fiber]

so much effort just to be different from the FT and IT 😅

[heavy lodge]

it's Timberborn II, don't ?

[shell fiber]

not yet 😅

@radiant heart you don't intend to retake your old waterbeaver save do you ?

because i didn't pay much attention to backward compatibility

😅

[heavy lodge]

LOL, water hell on your's beta tester ? 😮 🤣

[radiant heart]

So you gonna un-nerf a bit the windmills, they produce so little if on top of that there is no platforms tower to do, gonna hard to get them high enough. At that point they are basicaly useless IMO.

[radiant heart]

just a taad too much, gonna need sunglases to play that faction 😅

[radiant heart]

Nan, i consider old saves as dead, got to move on at some point

[shell fiber]

but i don't want wind power to be really reliable 😅

water power should be the way to go 😉

[radiant heart]

there is a line between non-reliable and useless, think that crosses it

[shell fiber]

hmm...

[radiant heart]

but but but... hard mode?

[shell fiber]

hard mode is crap 😖

maybe +50% power ?

15/30/45/60 ?

i think that's what you suggested before

[radiant heart]

Already getting on to 12high gonna be quite a task without platforms tower, maybe crank up the 9-12 ones a bit more so it's really worth it to go full vertical on builds?

[shell fiber]

hmm...

could be fair

[radiant heart]

like having 1 at 12 gonna bring in at least 12 pop if not more

[shell fiber]

maybe 15 / 40 / 75 / 120

[radiant heart]

seems fair do you know what's the output of the big one with FT? i'd say the 12 one could be around that

[shell fiber]

i think they were like 400 hp, which is absolutely ludicrous

[radiant heart]

Ooo, i see i had something like 200~250 ish in mind

400 is quite high for sure, that's an engine

[shell fiber]

i still need to mod in the engine

[radiant heart]

It's a bit hard to see just numberwise like that how to balance properly, I try to figure out how much of a pain it's gonna be to go for the 9-12

[shell fiber]

soon™

[radiant heart]

even the 6 high gonna need 2-3 buildings under it

[shell fiber]

well i went with a geometric progression just before. i sloppily wrote it but it's :
(10 + 5/set[3height]) * set[3height]

since it's reasonnable to assume that getting higher is going to be exponentially harder, that should sort of fit

the hard part is that the reward should climb faster than the difficulty

[radiant heart]

i get it but gotta consider that on lower ground you have a lower Re number and therefore the height works exponentially up to a certain point where it becomes constant ( yeah fuild engineering was a bitch but i remember that part )

Can the formula be in the windmill so you basically have only one and the higher you place it the better it gets? 🤔 with the tripple platforms the 3/6/9/12 made sense but now since it's gonna be a bit more random with the buildings as support

idk, just tossing out the idea

[shell fiber]

no, timberborn doesn't have this kind of flexibility, but the placement shouldn't be complicated

[radiant heart]

too bad that would have been a nice quality of life thing

[shell fiber]

i'm uploading the version i have, but i didn't really test it myself (should work though)
it's mostly so you can try it 😉

it's not set as "live"

the dependencies are logstairs and billboards, the 1x1x2 storage is recommended but not vital 🙂

[radiant heart]

ok, cool, with it not beeing "live" does it mean i have to go get it from mod.io manually or i can still get it via the mod manager?

[shell fiber]

uuh, no idea 😅

might need to DL manually

[radiant heart]

lol, ok, just let me know when it's uploaded i'll give it a try

[shell fiber]

oh it's up

[radiant heart]

yeah guess i need to get it from mod.io, on the manager it's still 1.1.15

[shell fiber]

good 🙂

i need to write a bunch of lockkey and so on

but it's late

i litterally spend the whole evening modding, but that was fun

i learned to use blender at a basic level, that gives me so much more freedom 😁

[radiant heart]

not even on mod.io, it's "last updated 12d ago"

[shell fiber]

if you go into "download files manually" on the right

you can click on "access other version" and find 2.0.0

[radiant heart]

got it

[shell fiber]

i hope it won't be too buggy 😅

good night !

[radiant heart]

GN, will let you know later, can't play atm

[radiant heart]

well, didn't even go past the selection menu, went back on previous IT run and the UI had little surprises for me

[shell fiber]

note for self : make sure to break the mapeditor; make sure to put the last version (exp) as requirement

[shell fiber]

i have to go to a reseach conference tomorrow, so probably no modding for me until friday evening

[analog zodiac]

aye, best of luck at the conference fam!

[shell fiber]

foundry done 🙂

[noble owl]

Cool

[radiant heart]

wow, it looks amazing, tier 3 smelting?

red BP i suppose?

EXp mode downloading! time to get back to WB

dang, gotta redo all the wellbeeing lvls on the other factions...

at least i got futher then last try

@shell fiber can't see in the menu wellbeeing lvl required for IT, 15 right?

Can that be fixed?

[shell fiber]

oh, right i forgot about this

you can activate cheat mode with the FT and fill up your kart with everything to get 5 wellbeing easy

[radiant heart]

did it without cheater mode in 5 mins 😉

still can't get in

had to remove the WB and place back in tho since didn't have the wood tab with FT and the WB mod in

Since i removed and put back in WB game "forgot" i did the 5 with FT?

[shell fiber]

probably will remember

[shell fiber]

what do you mean ?

i tried to lock the factions then unlock the manually, didn't give me any issue 🤔

[radiant heart]

think there is still a requirement of wellbeeing on IT too, did the 5 with FT and can't get into WB still, went to bed had IT at 10, think it's 15 so gonna push for that and give it another try

[shell fiber]

That's weird...
If necessary you can enter chat mode then dig in the options, you will find a button to lock / unlock the factions

[radiant heart]

still didn't reach 15 with IT, the ways the food works it's a bit pf a step to get over 12, made it to 14 for a second but not 15 yet

[heavy lodge]

You can use wellbeing buffs mod to speed up .

[radiant heart]

there is no emergency, enjoying the process, first run on a regular map since update

[radiant heart]

well, game just won't open.. not sure what happenned, know there was an update on exp so....

[shell fiber]

hmm... that's kind of annoying... generally the only way to troubleshoot that kind of stuff is to remove mods one by one and see if something if fixed.

i didn't really have time to play my own mod recently so i didn't test it, but what i have now works for me so i'll upload it again in case something was rotten in the previous upload

[shell fiber]

tell me if you have time to test the latest version !
i'll probably have (at last) time to playtest it this weekend, at which point if it works i'll upload it publicly

also, i made this thing that is for now incomplete (imagine a bunch of sapling growing in the barrels)

[radiant heart]

didn't have time new job is taking an insane amount of time, past week been eat/sleep/work/repeat

[shell fiber]

Oh, that sucks, what happened to the previous one ? i had the feeling it was quite relaxed...

[radiant heart]

it was but money was not as good, it should tone down a bit in a few weeks but now we're playing catch up since there was a lot of employee movment in the past months and no one got a clue what they are doing and who should be doing what

[radiant heart]

stackable farming? love it.

3 high with a lvl 2 entrance?

[radiant heart]

!!!!!

I did it !

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-batman-here-we-go-gif-3430376

Yooo, I get it you want some pink but how about tuning it down a bit on the birch?

even with all the zoom zoom cam scroll out you'll still see a pink dot 🤣

[distant wigeon]

I mean, I think the pink is gonna be a bit unavoidable, it is a pretty strong contrast.

[radiant heart]

i get it but a tad ligher so the contrast is not that big

maybe drop some red in the other ones? maple can be all taht yellow/orange/red to help keep the clash less intense

@shell fiber name is weird 😉

like the lousy, maybe swap it to "lazy" 🤔

[radiant heart]

since we don't need the lodge with transport between district, can we get the lodges with a lvl2 entrance beeing haulers too?

( would really be sweet for my actual dam plan !

not up to science yet but it's working up to now on exp !

just tought about something, how about a 2x2 dam that would act as a roof over buildings ? ( or maybe i already said taht and forgot.. who knows !

[shell fiber]

Depending on how you shape the dam that would look weird (the reason mine are 3 long is so that it doesn't make a magical wall of water when it's blocking the current)

And that wouldn't prevent the houses from being flooded

Basically there's no way to have water flow on top of a house without having it flooded, there's how the game handles water, any amount of water on a tile floods everything under it.

But it is of course possible to have buildings that tolerate being flooded, or I could make buildings with the door deliberately off center since that seems to be the critical part

Actually yes that would be pretty neat to have, the 2x2x2 houses with the entrance in the first floor would be perfect for that

But maybe it's more interesting if they are larger and higher tier building rather that base ones. I want to make sort of luxury houses with a garden under a glass roof so everything is waterproof, so they would probably be 3x3, like a 2x3 triple lodge and a garden like thing

[split sparrow]

What's the difference between the 2 birches?

Pink and Regular (other than the colour of course).

[storm prawn]

Using v2.0.0, building Pit&Ladder house crashes my game with this error: InvalidOperationException: Topentrancewatertightlodge(Clone) doesn't have any required WorkplaceBehavior component ... is it just me or what?

[shell fiber]

The pink birch is slightly better, I don't have the numbers on hand but I think it grows slightly faster than pine for two logs.
It's also an excuse to not have people question where all this pink comes from 😅

[shell fiber]

I need to look that up 🤔
There is a lot of broken stuff due to the V4 update. There's no point removing it but to be honest the pit and ladder lodge doesn't really have much purpose anymore

[storm prawn]

So it really was broken ... oh well
You probably also need to figure out how to fix the UI for the original factions (FT/IT) since they are missing some vital toolgroups with this mod enabled (can't place a lumberjack flag for example)

[shell fiber]

That part is not something I can do much about beyond doing without my custom categories. It could be fixed by the guy who made timberAPI, but that would be a lot of work and I'm literally the only person who would make use of it, so it's just better to disable this mod if you want to play with the FT or IT

[shell fiber]

yep, it was somehow missing the "hauling center" script. i fixed it on my side, will be in the next update

[radiant heart]

something is messed up qith the log gnawing station

like the foundation is rotated 90deg

What's that last thing in the handicraffter? can't even try to guess, icon is not really easy to see

well... was not the gnawing station... 🤔 forester? 🤔

[radiant heart]

Yup, forester breaks the game, the gnawing station still builds normaly even if the foundation display is messed up

[radiant heart]

Chestnuts tree get removed with that faction or i just landed on a map with 0 at the start? 🤔 that's kind of a big one, without that stew is dead, might use cheater mode to fill up a wharehouse of chestnuts... guess it's gonna have to be that for now

Irrigation tower is broken, under part is kinda considering a super platform and needs to be build close to another building

[radiant heart]

pumpkins are not locked by large farmhouse anymore ( intended?)

[radiant heart]

and doing it!

let's see if districct center will crash it

[radiant heart]

Can't make science, library crashes the game....

[radiant heart]

something happenned, can't even reload previous back ups.... gonna call it a day i guess

[shell fiber]

oh, well sorry for all the bugs, but thanks for finding them 😅
I just fixed the forester and library

i'll check out the chestnuts, but i intend on reworking the food chain

the most basic food will likely be pumpkins

i'll see what happens with the big farmhouse

[shell fiber]

there's something weird i think, the pine trees now have a line saying they replace the chestnut trees 🤔

[shell fiber]

muahahahaha

i'm very happy with the stupid crap i did 😅

[shell fiber]

okay, seems that all of the bugs you've raised are fixed, uploading a new version now

[radiant heart]

ok, gonna test that out, got 1h~ish and maybe a bit more in the evening depending how long the dad's day diner last

[radiant heart]

well.... after the download can't open the previous save and the faction doesn't even show up on the "new game" selection menu

( that's with 2.0.2)

[radiant heart]

You asked me to test it, knew i was getting into a hot mess!

2.0.1 same issue

What version of API do you have on? there was a new update and think it might be my issue, even 2.0.0 won't show WB on new game menu now

even with a rollback of API it's not working, testing gonna have to wait I guess cauz i really don't see what else could be the issue

[shell fiber]

What the hell is going on 😅
I didn't update anything

[radiant heart]

got no clue... but any version 2.0.0 and up won't even display WB in the new game faction selection....

sad times ..... at least gave me some time to think about my foresterless faction !

let say WB is FT V2.0, ?? will be IT V2.0

actually might be the opposite in the end but you get waht i mean i suppose

[radiant heart]

something is clearly messed up with the wood, getting oaks with FT

[shell fiber]

i think i had completely misunderstood something in the common / faction specific plants 🤔

[radiant heart]

like you can play on your side and it works?

[radiant heart]

think i'll have to reload the game completely, removed all mods and something is still messed up, i'm still getting oaks with FT

[radiant heart]

wtf it broke the game for real, can'teven make a new colony with IT... time for complete delete i guess

[radiant heart]

well, deleted everything, game was fixed, tried again and still won't show WB in the menu....

[shell fiber]

Oh this one is my fault

Oaks I mean

Uuh, what the hell...

It works just fine on my side, but maybe because I'm launching it from unity...

Either way I'll upload something this evening 😥

[radiant heart]

and having the oaks on FT makes the game crash when trying to open IT 😉

[shell fiber]

oh, if you're around, let met upload whatever i have on hand right now

[radiant heart]

ok

[shell fiber]

i think i have fixed the tree issue

also the irrigation tower

it's uploaded

[radiant heart]

updating

previous error said couldn't find logstair depedency, added log stair, game didn't even make it to main menu on reboot

[shell fiber]

what the hell

do you also have billboards

?

@stone halo @tawdry bronze
sorry to ping you guys, help 😅

how can it work perfectly on my side and not at all on yours ?

maybe my unity is the problem ?

it is a weird mess after all

[tawdry bronze]

with newest timberapi you cant have language lines that is empty
and remove categorybutton mod its not needed or used since update 4

[radiant heart]

ok, will remove it, would be nice if it's just that !

but it's not that easy !

[shell fiber]

you still had categorybutton ?

[radiant heart]

yes but it wasn't the issue, removing it changed nothing

[shell fiber]

oh

[radiant heart]

still tells me i'm missing logstairs

and still crashes the game upon oppening if i put it in

[shell fiber]

but you have it installed ?

hmm

okay, i'll remove the logstairs dependency for a test

give me 30 min, i'm reinstalling unity entirely

[radiant heart]

ok

[shell fiber]

oh, apparently experimental is no longer needed

i removed all of my mods except modmanager and pipettetool

[radiant heart]

don't you need billboard?

[shell fiber]

not vital if you already know the mod

[shell fiber]

i'll check the language lines, maybe that's it

seems to work for me, uploading (it's 2.0.3 again)

oh, the billboard lang file was full of empty lines

same for the logstairs mod

[shell fiber]

it's up

[radiant heart]

so i should try without logstairs for now?

[shell fiber]

without

if what knatte says is true, that was the problem

i didn't update TAPI in a while

*couple of weeks

so yours might be more recent than mine, hence this issue

[radiant heart]

yeah, updated everything this weekend

and crash upon opening the game

[shell fiber]

you mean this weekend or right now ?

[radiant heart]

now

[shell fiber]

fuck's sakem

[radiant heart]

removed all mods except mod manager, api and WB

[shell fiber]

what does it say ?

[radiant heart]

lot of stuff,

[shell fiber]

@arctic olive did you change something in Timber API that can cause that ?

[shell fiber]

knatte seems to think so

[arctic olive]

Yes you a nauty person, adding empty string in the language file

Didn't know you did that too

The error shows which line should be removed or fixed

[shell fiber]

it's a lot easier to read / add stuff to the file if you split it in paragraphs 😅

but that might have broken a lot of my mods

possibly all of them

not hard to fix though

[arctic olive]

You can still have paragraphs just not commented ones

or if you really want to do it and abuse it, section.one,"", A super special comment for pharagraphs Could dos omething like htis

empty enters are fine

[shell fiber]

we're talking only about the text lockkeys right ?

oh

[arctic olive]

about the general language file

[shell fiber]

i just jump lines

[arctic olive]

enUS.txt

[shell fiber]

so that shouldn't be a problem ?

[arctic olive]

that should not

fake.text, < this would be

fake.text,"",- < is fine

[shell fiber]

i see...

i tried to download my mod, and it crashed the game during the download 🤔
saying "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"

that happened too when downloading the billboard mod

@arctic olive just to confirm, commented out text is okay in the specifications and so on right ? at least it use to be

[arctic olive]

Comment out text ?

Json doesn't have comments

[shell fiber]

i've been removing stuff for testing by adding // before it for a while, always worked just fine

[arctic olive]

in json ?

[shell fiber]

yeah

[arctic olive]

:/

I guess you can

Would not recommend doing it in production

[shell fiber]

but is there a chance something you changed recently caused it to go bad ?

[arctic olive]

igor fixed so that text now can be colorized

but it does not accept null so we found out this will happen

except we didn't know your mod didn't work 🙂

[shell fiber]

well it does...for me

but not for @radiant heart

[arctic olive]

maybe because you have not updated

[shell fiber]

which leaves me quite puzzled

i just updated tapi

[arctic olive]

are you sure

[shell fiber]

oh maybe last is not the live version ?

[arctic olive]

it's live

ar eyou sure it's updated in your dev enviroment?

[shell fiber]

right now i'm trying to load from the steam game

and it works

[arctic olive]

and you habe 0.5.5.5 ?

[shell fiber]

save for that one crash during download

letmecheck

[Info : Unity Log] Modded: true, BepInEx
[Info :TimberAPI Core] TimberAPI 0.5.5.3 - Timberborn 0.4.9.3, loader: BepInEx

[arctic olive]

thats the old version

[shell fiber]

but it mod manager it says 0.5.5.5

[arctic olive]

[arctic olive]

It's been ages since I manually updated a version so don't think it went wrong

press download ?

idkxD

[shell fiber]

just did, relaunch now ^^

things still work

apparently

but the console still says 5.5.3

[arctic olive]

h,

weird

can you manually install it

[shell fiber]

yeah i'll try

oh, kaputt

[Info : Unity Log] Modded: true, BepInEx
[Info :TimberAPI Core] TimberAPI 0.5.5.5 - Timberborn 0.4.9.3, loader: BepInEx

[arctic olive]

👍

now fix it

[shell fiber]

thanks 🙂

i'll do my best

[arctic olive]

it's not hard

just delete the lines or add "" on them

[shell fiber]

oh

hmù

okay

there's some new errors

"Localization Id does not have any text: Need.Minedeath.DisplayName"

[arctic olive]

It should show them all at once but maybe not

Nut that is the same error

[shell fiber]

no worries, i'll kill them one by one

ah, fuck, maybe my specification system is outdated

[arctic olive]

has not changed

[shell fiber]

did not ?

then what a localisation id ?

[arctic olive]

not since update 4

its in the lang file

[shell fiber]

🤔

[arctic olive]

search for that ID in the lang file

[shell fiber]

dafuk

why is this line empty

[arctic olive]

precicely

why is it

[shell fiber]

okay i guess

now it has one

[radiant heart]

Yay is real

too bad i can't keep going with my previous exp save, gonna need a bit to get back there

@shell fiber Works, kinda concern by those "strange flower" or however they are called.... gonna be back on testing this evening

Noticed, still no native chessnuts on the map but oaks are gone

[shell fiber]

Oh, thank GOD !

yeah, native chestnuts seems to be a goner

but that's likely V4 more than me

maybe

[radiant heart]

makes forester mandatory before getting stew, not a bad idea

[shell fiber]

those flowers are very nice, i assure you 🙃

[radiant heart]

stew is super effective food source and was a bit easy acces early on so having that step to get to it feels right

[shell fiber]

i think i'll make awful stew non-lethal actually, so i might shuffle some stuff around

i've been scribbling down stuff regarding how i want the food system to be

[radiant heart]

good idea, since papermill is a bit more down the line, i'm just burning dust

don't want my mush prod to rely on it since if it blocks somewhere i run out of food

[shell fiber]

you should grow mushrooms with it 😅

you're wasting precious ressources 😅

(joking, it's as you like)

[radiant heart]

actually think i just did a butload of storage to make paper further down the road, maybe gonna toss exp back on and see if i can continue on my old run

[shell fiber]

enough modding for me today

[radiant heart]

GN 🌠

[radiant heart]

Well, just confirmed rollback is not possible, just too bad will have to start from scratch

[radiant heart]

Maybe make it fill up hunger but no other bonus 🤔

[radiant heart]

Pumpkins placing crashes the game, cabage works tho

[shell fiber]

whelp, that was exactly the issue i suspected

[shell fiber]

@radiant heart are you around to do some testing ?

[shell fiber]

if everything seems to work, i'll upload a new version soon !

added grapes and rice 🙂

and fried rice

[shell fiber]

okay, i have uploaded 2 versions, hopefully one of them works 😅

good night folks !

[radiant heart]

nope, was in meeting all day, gonna test that tonight

[radiant heart]

still won't open my previous save, could however open a back-up save I made just prior to planting food, 12-15 days rollback but at least some stuff was preserved

[radiant heart]

Giant sequoia looks a bit messed up, not gonna bother trying it and crashing the game, description still looks like it's pine FYI

[shell fiber]

Oh yeah I didn't change the growth time and didn't remove the resin production yet but it seems to plant and grow properly

And... Well aren't sequoias very big pine trees? 🤔

[heavy lodge]

But, only 2 logs ? Or, is about 2 giant logs ? Not clear from description ....

[shell fiber]

It's eventually going to give giant logs yes. Don't remember if I added them into the game yet

I wanted to experiment with custom pile meshes because that would require dedicated storage

Also to make some silly storage like coconuts being stored as a pile and stuff like that

[heavy lodge]

Maybe 200 days to grow (produce 3 giant logs), and each of them to be cut in 20 days in a new working shop to produce 30 normal logs ? That's beyond the normal usage os giant logs.

Except I can't figure how a beaver can carry such a giant log. Maybe a superbeaver ? 😁

[shell fiber]

I want the growth time to be long but anything too realistic would be boring, I would go for maybe 50-80 days not more.

I think you should be able to cut the giant logs into normal planks or logs yes but I'll need an advanced sawmill for that

[heavy lodge]

and the transport ? Or, a temporary sawmill where is the giant log ?

[radiant heart]

tought the seeds were imported by the balloonns and it was a late game thing... ( but i like the seed thing, kinda need that you know 👌 )

[radiant heart]

Is it possible to make it produce but keep on growing to reach dumb stoopid height as long as footprint allows it?

idk, let's say you can cut a log per X days and a giant log per Y days

or odds to get a giant out of the cut but i'm not a fan of RNG,

RNGesus is not often on my side quite often

[shell fiber]

Unfortunately unless some crazy maniac is willing to code some stuff, there's limits on what I can do, but having it produce a log without cutting the tree every now and then is definitely possible. I didn't bother with the sequoia seeds yet but I will put them in the mix, maybe as a cost for the cradle it as a cost of the tree nursery or something

Basically plants have only 2-3 States : sapling, mature, and mature with "fruit", plus the dried / dead variants

So having multiple stages of growth is not possible as of now

[radiant heart]

first drought for the 4th time, on crater , on normal since V4 and WB

[shell fiber]

Same for the plant itself costing seeds

[shell fiber]

Nice 😊

How do you feel about my brambles ? 😅

[radiant heart]

hate you for making the pinkies the most efficient wood source but I respect that, just gonna keep a blended forest, actually look nice

[shell fiber]

And what are those things at the foot of your dam ? The building site is wrong

[radiant heart]

used my big brain and pre-pathed around to avoid the spread, at the rate you need them tho it's nice it spreads fast

[shell fiber]

Actually pines remain ever so slightly faster, but pink birch allow more frequent harvest

[radiant heart]

the path

[heavy lodge]

Maybe, a mature sequoia can produce, instead of fruits, logs ? I mean, cutting branches from seqoia can give a decent amount of logs ...

[radiant heart]

2/12=1/6
1/5=1/5.. pink shit is better as long as you plant fast enough

forgot you need planks for irrigation tower, that's gonna hurt a bit, good thing i'm noton hard mode

[shell fiber]

Yeah that's a good idea

[shell fiber]

Noooo, that's cheating 😂

[shell fiber]

But everyone is definitely gonna do that 🤔 I need to rethink this

[radiant heart]

on the map i'm on it's not a big deal, but not beeing usefull untill having a waterfarm and replacing native chestnuts... that could turn real bad on some maps

[shell fiber]

I oh I just remembered someone wanted a water highway right ?

[shell fiber]

I would call that "hard mode" 😅

[radiant heart]

you know i'll do a hard mode run soon~ish when at least food is stable 😉

[shell fiber]

Of course I want people to be able to contain the damn plant, but I would prefer it to be done with fences rather than a road. Anyway they won't grow during droughts like any plant so you can push them back with reasonable ease at that time

[radiant heart]

don't remember the map, something like waterfall but a tad harder, you got chessbuts ( evil plants) right by the base on the place you would make your farms... sure can do it, make lumberflags, delete, delete the rubble but it's just shitty at that point

Irrigation is fine !

Covered tanks gone?

[shell fiber]

Covered tanks are part of the 1x1x2 small storage mod, you should install it 😊
(Maybe make a save before)

[radiant heart]

Oooo, sry

[shell fiber]

What's that building site at the back ? It's wrong too 😅

[radiant heart]

sure will do a save, make one prior to every building i try to build atm

[radiant heart]

i's the farm on the other side of the river,

it's in place noww

[shell fiber]

Oh the trust in my modding ability 😂

[radiant heart]

just don't need to path it in right now, already at 10 useless eaters

[radiant heart]

I trust you, not V4 😉

all of that was working before the mod

[radiant heart]

and the next one is planned a tad on the left 😉

[shell fiber]

Oh, looking closer it is correct, weird, maybe that's the night lighting

[radiant heart]

reaching the breaking point where i need the distric center and the science.

Gonna call it a day, need some sleep,

Cycle 4 day 2

[shell fiber]

Oh it's nice !🙂

Potatoes won't be here for long though

I'll try to give something the backward compatibility though

I would say rice but it's a water crop 😅

[shell fiber]

version 2.0.6 Uploaded !

[radiant heart]

mm trying to upload 2.0.6 crashed the game...

[radiant heart]

had a long one, don't feel like doing some remove and reinstall and fix it, better hit the bed soon, 3d weekend ahead and need some rest to be in top shape for the kids and the friends commming home, might give it a go tommorow evening tho.

[shell fiber]

This is getting really old really fast 😓
I should really torch the staging folder every time I try to build the mod

[shell fiber]

version 2.0.7 uploaded ! it should fix the main bug that have been plaguing a few mods up to this point

@kind spire this is the dedicated thread for my mod in case you never stepped foot here 🙂

[kind spire]

Noice, thank you!

[radiant heart]

at least download didn't craash the game but reloading old save did ...

[radiant heart]

had to roll back only one save and was ok !

Fun dact, water goes higher ( visually) when beavers empty the irrigation tower 🤣

[radiant heart]

brambles just don't cut.... what am i supposed to do?

[radiant heart]

i get the idea but it's not really fun, some maps can get really messed up with that kind of feature

at the point better play hard mode and hope they die fast 😂

[kind spire]

"I killed the brambles... but at what cost...."

[radiant heart]

sounds right

[kind spire]

(Looks at dead beaver colony)

[radiant heart]

i could make a survivor thing, divert water out of the map and way till it dies ( just 90 days)

[kind spire]

Wish I could torch them

[radiant heart]

something is up with the dams, blocks like a 1high even not built....

[radiant heart]

also branble flower don't really seem like they are beeing collected

like i got 14 in my kimshy barrel and non in the flag with all that

and it's been up for at least 2 cycles if not 3

[shell fiber]

Hmm I wander what might be going on.
But it takes a good 8 hours to remove a bramble

Aussi the best way to kill them is flooding 😉

[radiant heart]

ok so 1 lunberjack needs 8h to grab the flower on a ramble?

i got like 7 lumberjacks in there and no one is working

tried setting the ramble on cut but nothing happennend

[radiant heart]

do i need to kill them to harvest them?

[shell fiber]

oh yeah you definitely need to set the area on cut

is your storage full ?

[radiant heart]

0 in storage

0 in the lumberflags

[shell fiber]

that's weird

[radiant heart]

something is up, still only at 19 with a gizzillion lumberjacks around and the area set on cut

*29

[shell fiber]

but if you have some it means that it used to work 🤔

[radiant heart]

it's still going up but super slow

they brought in 15 in 45mins gameplay at 3X speed

[shell fiber]

are you sure you're not consuming some with other stuff

[radiant heart]

do they eat it raw?

cauz i close the stewmaker, and don't see other place then the kinchy barrels it would go in and anyway at that point with that many lumberjacks it should be filled up in the flags i guess

[shell fiber]

can you try give priority to brambleflowers to your lumberjacks ?

[radiant heart]

there is no priority on the flag

[shell fiber]

oh

[radiant heart]

lol, tought about it like 1h ago 😉

[shell fiber]

any chance they are busy cutting other stuff

can you send me the save file

?

i don't have much time to mod before i leave today

[radiant heart]

they just sitting on theyr asses

[radiant heart]

sure, as long as you don't complain too long for the "cheating" 😉 Afterall i'm trying to test stuff out

[shell fiber]

it's okay for this time 😉

[radiant heart]

just don't remember where to get it 🤣

[shell fiber]

go in "load save" then you have a button to browse the folder

[radiant heart]

sent

got 2 kimchy barrels so total i told you is split between the 2

and there is a ramble flower storage right in front of the librairy

[shell fiber]

wait WHAT ?!

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

I thought my shenanigans didn't work ! i had forgot about that 🤣

the brambles capable of invading roads 😅

but do they actually keep invading ?

[radiant heart]

they even invade places i dropped foundation now i got flags under the brambles

they pretty much invaded everything they could

[shell fiber]

i think you have a slightly broken version

they don't proliferate in that state

[radiant heart]

actually i think in 2.0.6 they stopped growing, there is still a tiny gab in there

*gap

[shell fiber]

oh that's definitely not normal

you need to make a clean install, go in the mod folder and remove waterbeaverfaction folder entirely, then install again

i'll upload a correction now

[radiant heart]

ok

[shell fiber]

uploading

but brambles were being cut propoerly when i tried your save

they cleared the area quite quicly

but i made the brambles easier to cut now

but since they spawn seedlinig so fast, completely killing them requires a drought or flooding

or mincromanagement

[radiant heart]

and when they cut they harvest a flowe or it's like berries, kinda not clear on this one

?

[shell fiber]

it's like a tree but that gives a flower instead of a log$

[radiant heart]

on another tought, how about some "steel platforms" but small ones the could do the 3 and 4 high like the wooden ones do 1 and2 ? (sure keep it ground only but at some point you need to accesss those upward house dams 😉

[shell fiber]

but to be honest behaving like berries would be better

[radiant heart]

tought about acting like berries but can be cut for "small wood" you either burn or make dust

could be a nice way to get coal early on, not sure how much balancewise to make it not too OP but....

on maps without a 2tall ledge it could be the starter source

[shell fiber]

i think a log for cutting the plant is too much, as it doesn't seem it would give more than twigs

but twigs for sawdust or charcoal seems okay

[radiant heart]

that's what i meant "twigs" by the "small wood"

[shell fiber]

but you really just want to harvest the flowers actually

so in that case it would just be an invasive bush

[radiant heart]

i get it but it gives options, it's always nice

[shell fiber]

yeah

[radiant heart]

is it just me or it injures them a lot gathering the flowers? 🤔

geez, i see what you mean by fast seeding 😅

Grats on forcing my hand into doing the cotton candy birch btw, took me a while to realize it's the most efficient log source

looks like with 9 lumberjacks i can beat the seeding 😂

wo, cycle 10 and already rocking 100 beavers! popexploding is real

[radiant heart]

still won't make any Kimchi, got a gazillion haulers, and the barrels don't fill up.... gonna be my last complain for today! gonna let them build stuff a bit and hit the bed in a few

nvm got it, had watertanks set to require goods and since they are right by the irrigation towers the haulers were busy 24/7 getting water there, think it will work better now

[radiant heart]

11 Cycles in finally got science !!! gonna call taht a day, Later 👋

[shell fiber]

It doesn't injure them any more than any tree I suppose, I don't know how the brokenteeth effect is done

[shell fiber]

classical mistake 🙂

[shell fiber]

this doesn't happen for me, probably your install is deeply broken 😅

some of the crash logs you had sent me were sayign "access denied" or something like that

[shell fiber]

grapes will be nice 🙂

[radiant heart]

they look awesome, also not sure if it's intended but soybeens are beeing eaten raw

[radiant heart]

Imean with all the crash i had not surprised something broke

[radiant heart]

ok, took me way to much time to realize where you make gears instead of the handicraft lodge 🤣

@shell fiber FYI, most of the "cheaters buildins" are now used in the district 😉

"it's not cheating. it's planning ahead" 😉

Side note, since Kimchy is required for science, would be nice to have a more reliable way to do it, got a load of haulers but it's still not happening,,,, maybe in the coocking tent?

I'm actually making planting zones for that nightmare bush just to try and get science going...

Yup, even removing Cotton Candy land...

@shell fiber did you rework the "simple code lines" for ladders, stairs, vertical shaffts and other cool quality of life mods so they work with WB on V4?

Or want me to try to see if they still work before going over the trouble if not needed ?

[shell fiber]

i see no reason why they wouldn't work, i need to try playing a bit more myself to see if that needs rebalancing

but to be honest i'm not super passionate about this whole kimchi thing

[radiant heart]

I like the idea but it would have to be a side thing, not required for science, maybe just swap it for soybean in the needs for library?

since there is already all those tiers and this blocking that and all, having a not so reliable thing needed for science... makes it a bit shitty

[shell fiber]

i made it because i wanted some early cooking before reaching the stews, but it kind of is redundant with the green stew anyway, to i thinkg it will go through the window entirely

but then what cooking can we make instead ?

[radiant heart]

I'd keep it for the barrel and stew, just remove it from science

dandelions for science if you wanna keep it a forester thing and not a farm one

[shell fiber]

also soybeans are a problem because it takes 8 days to make 1 soybean, in the IT they are supposed to be fermented at a ratio of 6 for 20, so 1 for 3 foodstuffs

[shell fiber]

hmm...

[shell fiber]

but right now i'm too lazy to make yet another entirely new plant

[radiant heart]

can't you just make it "soybean" instead of "soybeans" and make the ratio nicer? kinda like the "S" on shrooms

the real issue is science, just remove the kimchi and drop something else there and it will work

IMO it'S either dandelions or soy, depending if you want it to rely on forester or farms

[shell fiber]

right now i have a problem with grapes not being harvested :/

[radiant heart]

that sucks but i'll never get grapes anyway since science isn't rolling 😉

[radiant heart]

mmm mecha lodge blocked by gear but handicrafter can't make gear anymore... need to work that out cauz it's not working 😉 @shell fiber

[shell fiber]

oh, that's something i was wondering about 😅

[radiant heart]

hope it gets fixed soon cauz I can't move forward without cheating 😉

[radiant heart]

that also is a bit of an issue 😉

done for today

(large farm)

[shell fiber]

yep, i already fixed that on my side

i realized that cabbage and mushrooms are not cooked together early on (and both are accessible from start) so i added braised cabbage which cost 1 cabbage, 3 mushrooms and makes 7 rations of braised cabbage (does't have a dedicated need, only +0.1 for each ingredient)

also made the awful stew only being made of unedible stuff, so you can make some when you realise you're starving and have no ressource anymore

both are made in the cooking tent

vegetable stew and mushroom stew have been moved to the old grill house

(along with fried rice)

i gave up on the grape for now, it is not harvested and i can't fix it

the plant can be cut, so i can make some very stupid wine where beavers cut the vine each time :/

now 'ill playtest for a while see if kimchi is that bad

now i want to fix this pit and latter lodge to make it how it should always have been

[shell fiber]

Version 2.0.9 uploaded ! It should be stable and science no longer require kimchi 🙂

5000 downloads 🎉
the power of updating the mod thrice a day 😅

[radiant heart]

gonna give thata a try

[radiant heart]

looks cool, just a big house/hauler post or something more?

dang my irrigation towers vanished, and i'm in a drought.... that's gonna hurt

actually they are broken...

the door does't connect

[shell fiber]

Aaah, shit 😅

I see what I forgot

Oh and I see water is still floating above 😅

Well except this it should be fine 🤔

[shell fiber]

It's just the pit & ladder lodge that has been improved 😉 now it's stackable on itself and has a side entrance too. Pretty convenient for climbing two levels because it's also easy to place logstairs on top

[radiant heart]

had to take a break or either cheat my way into lido irrigation, decided to just take a break 😉

[radiant heart]

that might be broken only for me, didn't remove the mod, just did update

[shell fiber]

That's a building property so it might be for everyone. Leftover crap is mostly due to removing specifications or buildings as far as I understand

[shell fiber]

I need to make tiny adjustments though, right now the top entrance doesn't actually occupy any volume so you can place weird things on it. But I'll need to also make a niche for it in the district center so it can be put on top

[radiant heart]

that would look really cool like a tall appartment under the center!

[shell fiber]

But will you be able to feed them ? 😅

[radiant heart]

well, removing the stew from the coocking tent sure made a dent in my food production, not a fan of the change but i'll get used to it

[radiant heart]

with a vertical farmtower next door it should work 😉

[shell fiber]

Ahah

Actually yes I should work

Hmm

Now that I think of it, these towers will likely become the cornerstone of tall builds, since platforms are now ground only people will have to rely on those and bridges

I'll need to think this really carefully 🤔

Can I make some really strange balloon hanging platform 🤔

[radiant heart]

kind of a reskin of the sideplatforms?

[shell fiber]

Side platform ? You mean in the extended architecture mod ?

[radiant heart]

not sure exaclty in what mod they are but can basicaly make a whole flooring at any heigh over all the map as long as you got on point to fix the first one

[shell fiber]

Yeah I think that's this one.
That could be an idea but I would go more with one big 3x3 or 5x5 platform hanging from a balloon, with just a path on the center and some sort of light (fake) crop growing on the sides

It's really more of an excuse to have vertical farming that is not contained in a barrel than anything

Although I will definitely have a food equivalent to the tree nursery

But I think I need to play more to see if I find more bugs and more balancing that needs being done

I still have work to do on the foundry for glass and ceramics

[radiant heart]

did you fix the impossible gear thing? didn't really notice, was a bit busy with my irrigation issues 😉

anyway, getting late a bit, catch y'a next time !

[shell fiber]

Oh I think, although since I'm an idiot I may have made it cost sunflower oil instead, but I just remembered that the screwpress requires gears too 😅

But didn't the broken kart drop a couple gears ? 🤔 Need to recheck

But worst case scenario you can use cheat mode to give yourself 10 sunflower oil and here you go 😅

[shell fiber]

okay, i wasted a lot of time making beaver become dirty with time and then trying to make showers that use soap, so i also made ashes and soap. if all is correct, beavers get gradually dirty (makes them unhappy) but getting in the water removes the dirt. alternatively using a shower also removes the dirt and gives a "fluffy fur" bonus. the shower is a lot faster if it consumes soap. and then going in the river slowly removes the fluffy fur buff.

at least that was the plan, but it doesn't seem possible for shower to apply a certain need only if they have soap.

long story short : big waste of time :/

good night ! version 2.0.10 uploaded 🙂

[radiant heart]

Yay 2.0.10 didn't kill my save !

Side note, maple pastries are still there even if we don't have maple 😉

ouch, made a uge kimchy production line to feed my beavers, now food gonna be a problem

The idea of having a food source producing on it's own was cool, too bad you ditched it

[shell fiber]

Oh so it was finally working? I tried on my side and didn't really find it efficient

I just realised that I changed the cabbage plant to produce 3 cabbages instead of one and made each unity be worth one food item, but forgot to rebalance all recipes to require more cabbage

[radiant heart]

if i have a major complain for the food thing is the stew going out of the coocking tent, you don't need a grill to toss a bunch of stuff in water and make it food,

was running
-2 tents/one (per stew)
-1 grill for chesnut
-4 kimchy barrels

balancewise it was nice

Now
-swapped the 2 tents for cabage
-added one grill to keep making both stews
-no more barrels.....

Food produced per houssing needed is too low IMO

currently building up the large farmhouse tho, pumpkins might help balancing it out but it's quite shitty atm sith the swap

just used cheater mode to remove the bramble i planted 🤣 Guess it's fair

[shell fiber]

Well yes but then the grill house would have no purpose 🤔
Plus you can still use the tents to make braised cabbage

I mean your point is correct that visually the cooking tent is appropriate, but it was more intended as primitive cooking place with crappy recipes

Hmm... Maybe I can flip things around...🤔
Like early on you make the cooking house that makes braised cabbage (and later on fried rice, cake, whatever) and awful stew. And when you have the ingredients for the stews you can build the cooking tent (that I would make larger like 3x3 for good measure) 🤔

Except well... I kind of want the game progression to move towards watertight houses not away from it 😥

[radiant heart]

braised cabage is far less efficient then the 2 stews, since you wanna keep a tad of control on the pop, had a grill for grilled chesnuts and those helpped too since they were not in the other food bonus. you already need a bunch of farms since they have only one worker. IMO it's just making the early game a tad too shitty for someone just starting the faction.

don't forget i even went Hard mode, i know how to play it and can survive dumb shit even without cheater mode. for "intended" gameplay, i feel like it cranked up the food making a tad too far for early game

[shell fiber]

Hmm... True

I'll rethink this

Oh about the maple pastries, that's on purpose, the folktails balloon trader can bring you pastries 😉

[radiant heart]

"spoiler allert"

and scafolding/platforms works, about to get my first overwater building

honestly, I think just keeping the kimchy would have kept the balance descent

since haulers = dam.... it's super fitting and the ration was ok~ish

[shell fiber]

But kimchi uses basically the same ingredients as the vegetable stew so it's not super interesting.
Maybe once I add salt back I can make sauerkraut 😅

[radiant heart]

i planted damn ramble to get more and make more kimchy, wasn't it just water and flower?

i'm missing it but there was a dif and made it worth it

[shell fiber]

Kimchi was just cabbage and flower but veg stew also need beans and dandelion I think

[radiant heart]

can the large farmhouse gather aqua farm stuff? that would be real cool, i always end up building my large farm over a river

[shell fiber]

But kimchi had only +1 food compared to the ingredients while stew has +3 I believe

[radiant heart]

sunflower seeds.... that's the dick part
and beans and logs...

[shell fiber]

Aaah yes

Right 😅

Oops

[shell fiber]

Hmm not possible I think

[radiant heart]

and the +6pop to make 2 stews 😉

[shell fiber]

Well yes but I think the overall gain covers that

[radiant heart]

nope

[shell fiber]

The recipe takes how many hours ?

[radiant heart]

4

• the water to keep 6 more beavers ydrated

[shell fiber]

So If they make four batches per day that's +12food and one Beaver eats basically 3 food a day 🤔

Plus water yes

But water gets easier to produce

[radiant heart]

the change looks small nut made me go from Ok at 170 beavers to ... holy shit how will i feed them

[shell fiber]

Oh ahah

[radiant heart]

(including the removal of the kimchy)

[shell fiber]

Okay I'll put them stews back in the cooking tent then 😅

[radiant heart]

yay !

[shell fiber]

But I think if that's going to be a permanent building, I want it to be bigger

[radiant heart]

making it 3x3 just upscaling the curent one could work

[shell fiber]

Well yes

But I can use blender now, so I can make it look better 😉

But yes make space around it so hopefully it doesn't disappear 😅

[radiant heart]

will have to relocate

or could it be a "lvl2" that produces a bit more? that you build over the previous one

and my first pumpkins drying out...

[shell fiber]

Oh whoa you're already there 😅
How do you feel about the architect making scaffolding and the mechanic making gears ?

Does that make the building feel more useful ?

[shell fiber]

I could make a larger cooking tent but it could hardly be an upgrade, because the thing on top doesn't hide the previous one

[radiant heart]

yes but the building is a bit far compared to how soon you want it.(architect) At least crappy platform cover that part .... simple awnser: Yes

as long as you don't need gears to make the mechanic 😉

Cycle 22 Day 1

[shell fiber]

Oh right, you would want to make it soon after unlocking science right ?
Maybe both the architect and mechanic could be cheaper to unlock and build 🤔

[radiant heart]

maybe since they now make basic stuff just have them at 0 science but same building price? even price could be nerfed since they eat a lot for the scrools

*BPs

[shell fiber]

Maybe 50 science to unlock and 20 planks instead of 40 🤔
I don't know maybe I should try myself more, if I didn't waste so much time making silly showers

But I still like the idea that they should take baths sometimes

Well there the lido for that

[radiant heart]

lido is kindof a bath for them you know 😉

just like the lake when in cmaping, it counts as a "shower"

[shell fiber]

But I kind of wanted to add soap for a while

Ahah yes

Best shower 😉
When I was a kid I did that too, but the water is full of calcium so you can feel it on your skin when you're dried up 😅

[radiant heart]

should get on aqua farm tommorow, architect just starting to make the BP but i gotta call it a day

[shell fiber]

I guess soap can be a valuable trading resource 🤔

Okay

Light day at work for me

I've been reading news and stuff more than working

[radiant heart]

trade is already doing a lot, don't wanna turn it into a "feed the balloon" game 😉

[shell fiber]

The safety cabinets being an taken didn't help

[radiant heart]

safety cabinet ? dafuq is that? some sort of panic room?

[shell fiber]

Yeah maybe I should shelf that for a while

[radiant heart]

anyway, gotta hit the bed

later 👋

[shell fiber]

Ahah no, it's the thing for cell culture, so that the filth form the outside doesn't contaminate the cells

Yeah good night 👍

[radiant heart]

no storage for fried rice?

or i'm blind?

[radiant heart]

and there is something about the ratio, either spadderdock needs a boost on production ( either spped or amount per spadder) or fried rice uses too much

no more grilled spadder tho?

that's gonna be it for this morning, need to get back to work

[shell fiber]

i couldn't keep things simple, as you could have expected 😅

[radiant heart]

the improved coocking tent ?

[shell fiber]

yes

[radiant heart]

love it

if i may, it would be cool with a big chauldron in the middle 😉

[shell fiber]

but the issue is that one building cannot have multiple recipes cooking at once, so i need to make the hot pots modules

[radiant heart]

kinda like for the modules on the industrial kitchen?

[arctic olive]

Who has made more buildings now, knatte or lapan

[shell fiber]

so that mean i need to place the pots in locations that will be easy to find out when placing modules

but yes, originally there were 3 in equilateral triangles, and one at the center

[shell fiber]

i guess we need to start counting 😅

[shell fiber]

might replace the industrial kitchen entirely for all i know

but no blueprints

possibly will cost a few scaffoldings to push it a bit away from early game

[arctic olive]

How would cooking different recipes even work at the same time ?

[radiant heart]

it already works on another building but it has some separated section that cook each food

[shell fiber]

well if multiple instances of the workshop script could coexist in the same building, you could imagine multiple reciepes running at the same time

but here i just make the big tent that does nothing except being an attraction spot

[arctic olive]

Yes but like would 1 recipe go faster than 2 ?

[shell fiber]

and i put niches inside for the hot pots that each are manufactory buildings

[shell fiber]

no but that's not the point

it's a building that i expect should be only build once per colony

but i have multiple stew reciepes

so likely people (for ex @radiant heart ) will want to make both reciepes no matter what the circumstances

so he would likely build multiple of those, which i think is not the desired outcome

so one big tent, and 4 tiny cauldron each making whatever reciepe

[arctic olive]

Yea

[radiant heart]

if they give diffrent well-beeing bonuses for sure i'm coocking them all !

[shell fiber]

for now they both feed in the same "stew" need but have no specific need (the deluxe stew has the "amazingfood" buff though)
i could give them each a specific +1 i suppose, but when there is too many types of food, they just can't eat and fullfill everything anyway

sorry, i think i won't be able to update before going to bed, you'll have to survive one more day with the current build 😅

[radiant heart]

no problem, still got a few things to test out 😉

[radiant heart]

I get it why you wanna have the platforms beeing groung only but with that limitation i feel it's not needed to remove the 3high one, would even use the ones from "more platforms" and have them go up to 6, the basic need to make walkways on a 6high dam and deep water pumps 😉

( ladder and vertical power shafts don't work anymore, remember you making a simple few code lines to give to the dev of the mod to make it work with WB, might wanna get that updated too 😉 )

at least i can still get my metal and curly stairs !

[radiant heart]

Something is broken with the pump upgrades, just won't work

it's really hard to place it, not sure what changed but it's not cool

[shell fiber]

Aaah, shit, this goddamn issue again.
Yes there has been some change in the pivot that doesn't play as nice as it used to. That's why I modified the irrigation tower, there's something weird going on.
I think in the case of the pump upgrade the fix should be somewhat easy though, I just hadn't poked at it yet

[radiant heart]

i mean it's doable to place it but really shitty

[shell fiber]

(Pivot is the point of the model that attaches to your mouse when trying to place it)

Yeah because now the pivot seems to be forced linked to the entrance when there is one

Before you had complete freedom including on the Z Axis but not anymore

But if you manage to place them, do they work?

[shell fiber]

Oh really ? I thought the ladder and vertical power shafts still did 🤔

[radiant heart]

it worked on earlier versions on experimental

at least i think so, could be mistaking

well, don't know where i went wrong that bad but 184 pop and still 29 useless eaters...

(sure no pump upgrade doesn't help but it's not only that)

[shell fiber]

So they don't work or are just really hard to place ?

[radiant heart]

really hard to place, couldn't make it happen on the normal and the deep one took me a while

[shell fiber]

I installed the curly stairs yesterday and saw no problem, also the ladder and vertical shaft but I didn't attempt building them

[shell fiber]

Oh okay, so I have only one problem to fix 😅

[radiant heart]

i have the mods on right now but don't see them

[shell fiber]

🤔

I'll check that this evening

[radiant heart]

curly and metal stairs are there, didn't buuild one yet tho got a mega bridge network in progress

only ladder is missing

[shell fiber]

I'll think about it, but 3 tall platforms directly allow you to build windmills on top which is not great 🤔

[radiant heart]

with the nerfing on 3 and 6 it's not that big of a deal, I mean at that point it just encourage "cheating buildings"

[shell fiber]

Oh wait I think there is something slightly strange with the bridges too, they can no longer be build face to face for some reason

[shell fiber]

For example ?

[radiant heart]

one could just make a bunch of small whatever buildings and drop the mills on top without ever connecting them since there is no other way to build high enough for mills

[shell fiber]

Why do people hate water wheels so much 😅

[radiant heart]

in my case it's 90% hard mode, 10% water farming

[shell fiber]

Maybe store a crapton of energy in flywheels 😅

[radiant heart]

didn't try that mod yet

[shell fiber]

But I think something like the overhang platforms of the more platform mod could be nice

[shell fiber]

Well @kind spire is working on it 😉

Actually that would be a very good mod for this faction

[radiant heart]

it's live already if i'm not mistaking, didn't look it up since new stuff would probably just crash the game if i try it with WB 😉

[heavy lodge]

Will not work since has no faction specification for WB. Must talk with battery_smooth to make also a variant for WB too.

[radiant heart]

so this will not work?

[radiant heart]

welll, game crashed, not sure if it's the 2 bridges thing, it's either that or the pump upgrade...

[shell fiber]

Likely not the bridges

Good news is, my god canceled today's meeting

Bad news is, I hardly got any sleep tonight and feel like crap 😅

[shell fiber]

the bug you send me has to do with the alchemist

super weird

[kind spire]

On it! I’ll get that on the ready!

[shell fiber]

ahah, thanks ! but no hurry 🙂

[kind spire]

For specification files (etc), what's the faction prefix? "WaterBeavers"?

(or suffix, I guess)

@shell fiber Specification is as follows for folktails:

  "CommonBuildings": [
    "battery.flywheels/battery_flywheels/SmallFlywheel.Folktails",
    "battery.flywheels/battery_flywheels/MediumFlywheel.Folktails",
    "battery.flywheels/battery_flywheels/MediumHorizontalFramedFlywheel.Folktails",
    "battery.flywheels/battery_flywheels/MediumVerticalFramedFlywheel.Folktails"
  ]
}```

[shell fiber]

this is the file name, inside is just like any other faction spec

you can just copy paste the specs for the FT and it should work easy peazy

[kind spire]

Nice!

Thank you kindly

[shell fiber]

thank you for making the compatibility 😉

[kind spire]

Just gotta get the models looking slick now!

Thoughts?

@shell fiber Generally, do Whitepaws/WB use metal textures? If so, Folktails?

[shell fiber]

nice 🙂

[shell fiber]

for relatively advanced buildings yes

folkails is i think slightly brighter and shinier, but doesn't really matter

i have made this if you ever need

it's a metal texture that fits most beam-like game objects

although you probably don't need that 😅

and for the "painted metal" i usually use the FT one 🙂

[kind spire]

It actually might help, will give it a look!

Ah, I was considering making a pink painted metal texture - thoughts?

[shell fiber]

typically most of those beams were originally wood

[shell fiber]

that would be nice 🙂

[kind spire]

Oooooo she lookin' nice!

There's a Unity package for the painted metal you can import

[shell fiber]

thanks !

yeah, looks nice !

but maybe yellow wood instead of brown would fit the color palette more

and for the grid like thing on top and bottom i would go for white wood (FT)

noice 🙂

[kind spire]

Oh, that was my next target 😉

[shell fiber]

what did you use to make the pink painted metal ?

photoshop ?

[kind spire]

Gimp. Pirating PS got too much effort 😉
(for legal reason, the above statement is a joke)

[shell fiber]

aaah, right, Gimp

tried to learn a long time ago

[kind spire]

It's so different from Photoshop that it's quite tricky

lots and lots of light differences

Also may need a hand with the recipie/bilding costs (I recall you saying that stackable buildings should use scaffolding, but not sure how to go about that)

Also, adjusting science cost too, maybe? Again, not too sure, I didn;t get too far through in my playthrough 😅

[shell fiber]

oh, science is kind of "whatever" but small things should be in the hundreds, while only very advanced stuff costs in the thousands

for reference

you don't need to declare the good in your mod though

basically 1 scaffolding = 1 small platform

[kind spire]

Aye, just the name key in the prefab, right?

[shell fiber]

yep, just "Scaffolding" in the cost and will do just fine

[kind spire]

So would 2500 science be realistically attainable for the medium framed flywheel?

[shell fiber]

that's a lot, for now my most avanced building (an enormous gaz-powered foundry) only costs 1500 science

but maybe it should be more, i didn't reach that far either in my playthrough