Choo! Choo!

[quick thistle]

True, but it shouldnt happen. Happy it works good enough for you now 😄

will see if i can find that bug

[bleak kindle]

I mean, if the solution is more trains, is it really a problem?

🤣

[quick thistle]

@bleak kindle just quick notice, i just checked and yes, while picking up goods, it is currently ignoring where the train is currently at, so it will pick up goods from all the stations where it wants to pick up goods at the first time it tries to pick up items.

so across the map pickup is to be expect

should be nice fix

[bleak kindle]

Woo!

[quick thistle]

maybe later today i have more time to test a solution

thank you for notifing me

[bleak kindle]

Ya! And if I come across that other problem again, and give you a poke, and see if the same solution works

[hoary pulsar]

i noticed something odd my train only picked up only 9 logs so 1.5 wagons isch instead of a full load (there are 100 available and the other station needs 50)

[quick thistle]

you have mutiple trains?

[hoary pulsar]

loads

[quick thistle]

could be another reserved it already

dont know that is what happened, but could be

[hoary pulsar]

not really

the one staion is full and the other empty

i check if i increase the limit

when does the train check how many resources are needed?

when it picks them up or before that

[quick thistle]

before that

the moment it tries to initialize a delivery

[hoary pulsar]

that might be it then

[quick thistle]

i do wanna add a recalculation, but it didnt work, so i didnt implement it yet

[hoary pulsar]

so probably when it drops off the load before

something else the prioritisation is a bit off in my mind

some stations get almost ignored and other districts stations get sucked empty

i have a district with loads of logs but a train rarely stops there, maybe because it doesnt have any imports

[native tartan]

Any idea when this mod is getting updated to version 5?

[quick thistle]

absoletly no clue, havent even been able to update my envoirment yet

[native tartan]

no problems you are doing a great job, I love the mod just a bit keen

[weak onyx]

T R A I N

[hoary pulsar]

multiple stations in one district should work, right?

[quick thistle]

yes, if setup correctly

they will keep items in them, unless a storage is set to obtain. Items can only go in if it is not on obtain

[hoary pulsar]

but does it also work when setup with different districts too?

because i have 2 in one district and when i set the fist to receive it works as normal but when i want to receive something in the other station nothing arrives

[quick thistle]

Yea, should work just fine. Might be a bug ofcourse, but maybe you can make some screen to explain the situation

[hoary pulsar]

maybe i have too many stations

it seems like no train ever stops there

but they are driving by

[quick thistle]

Yea, thats a bug where im aware of

Its not a bug, but the priority is wrong

Its based on total missing items

Not fill rate

[hoary pulsar]

so they deliver what has the highest limit first?

it seems im finding all the limitations

i have 10 stations and 11 ish trains ^^

[bleak kindle]

It seems that bug I was having before for items not being delivered seems to be just liquids? Trains will deliver logs, explosives, and planks just fine, but biofuel, catalyst, and water is having problems :<

It'll work before I quit, and then break when I load it back up

Main station stopped receiving water, which is new, and the only thing I did that fixed it was up the limit on explosive, wait for it to be delivered, and then dropped the limit back down.

[hoary pulsar]

thats odd for me its the opposite biofuel and catalyst are always transported everywhere

just something not quite right with the priority

why are trains so weird going up and down?

[bleak kindle]

They'll sit at a wait station rather than deliver it :p

[hoary pulsar]

hmmm

post a screenshot

[quick thistle]

thats base game behavior. Beavers do it also, but it is less noticable

[hexed wagon]

might that be why this isn't working?
and also why it's doing this (beavers taking the walking in the air from one passenger station to another, also happens when I don't disconnect the path to one of the stations, but disconnecting them makes it repeatable)?

[regal matrix]

Norfolk Southern train simulator

Other than that I got nothing

[hexed wagon]

Ok, I think something is really wrong with my game 😂
I just toggled the "Divides sections" box, and then 2 beavers elevated to heaven...

[hexed wagon]

alr, tried again, but they're just running on air from one station to the other, even before I even build a train in the train yard. After I build a train, it just sits in the train yard and does nothing.

[kindred grove]

Leftover kickflip energy

[kindred grove]

https://tenor.com/view/kylie-minogue-do-the-locomotion-new-dance-come-on-baby-80s-music-gif-16174830

[tired steeple]

Playing on update 5 with 0.8.0 and crashed on creating my first train

I've got the stack trace if you need it.

[tired steeple]

Hey I've got the error log dump from my 0.8.0 crash hit me up and I can send it to you

[radiant geyser]

Hi, is there any limits on the amount of inter-district transport of goods in the mod?

I have 4 districts connected with trains and the newest one doesn't seems to be reciving any trains.

I May provide with the savegame if usefull

[kindred grove]

There weren't in terms of u4 that I experienced

[radiant geyser]

I'm playing with update4

[kindred grove]

Perhaps not enough trains? I think trains can only carry one type of item if I remember correctly.

[radiant geyser]

I have a few One Way Signal Tracks, to optimize travel times, but i disabled them on the new district, to check if it was some kind of pathfinding issue, but no sucess.

[kindred grove]

At a time I mean

[radiant geyser]

There are sometimes trains resting, so i assume not.

[kindred grove]

Good assumption, distribution limits maybe?

[radiant geyser]

Also not. For example, this last goods station is set to export scrap metal, and receive logs, water and Packaged foods (basic), a mod item (The other districs handles this mod item just fine).

The good station get's loaded with local metal scrap, but doesn't recive logs, water or food.

[kindred grove]

I'm familiar with that mod lol

[radiant geyser]

All of the related warehouses are set on Obtain goods.

[kindred grove]

Lol beat me to my next trouble shooting question

[radiant geyser]

. * cries in spanish *

[kindred grove]

Is your track design more like a spoke or loop?

[kindred grove]

My next trouble shooting step is usually build a dedicated track between the main district and the problem one

[kindred grove]

Which one of the 3 are the issue?

[radiant geyser]

There are dedicated tracks for each way, so they do not colide

4 have the issue

[kindred grove]

I do see that lol

[radiant geyser]

1, 2 and 3 works fine

[kindred grove]

Oh I see the 4 now

[kindred grove]

Hmmmm

Perhaps it sees logs and water as "full" in district 4?

I see that it's exporting scrap like it's supposed to

Add another log pile in district 4 then see if they try to import logs

Or replace the existing one with an underground pile

[radiant geyser]

I'm, for example, also importing planks and medicine, and have plenty space (almost empty) to receive them.

Will try to build a new one.

[kindred grove]

Ya I noticed that....

Your track looks fine, distribution from what I saw looks fine, idk tbh

[radiant geyser]

This district was before a part of district 3, and was then separated. It may be no labeling those building because they were build under "district 3 tasks list"?

IDK, just brainstorming nonsense at this point.

[kindred grove]

I wouldn't think so but I didn't do that in update 4 while trains were active

[kindred grove]

Right there with you

Wish tobbert or at least a modder who could see his code lol

[radiant geyser]

I'm just negated to go back to old district crossing. Trains are so effective.

[kindred grove]

I mean both are effective as of u4, but yes trains are preferable

I miss my trains in u5expeimental

I also miss packaged foods

[hoary pulsar]

@radiant geyser

Its not a bug, but the priority is wrong
Its based on total missing items
Not fill rate

maybe it has something to do with that

[radiant geyser]

I suppose not, on District 4 I have space for 2k of Packaged food, and the rest of districs the storage is mostly full (only 10% aprox missing on each storage).

[radiant geyser]

I'm trying to make some testing, and by some reason, scrap metal from district 4 just teleports to the district 1.

Also I noticed something weird, why this goods station have a 3rd section with no arrows?

Instead of having a normal "in" and "out" arrows?

[steady tulip]

What am I doing wrong? ( I will be very happy for tips that could work)

[vagrant dove]

Is the mod working for update 5 currently?

[steady tulip]

It seems like

[kindred grove]

That would be news to me, I'd love my trains back

[elder tide]

You mean 4, right? 5 is in experimental...

[astral nacelle]

Well... I could create tracks and trains. The trains looks to be super duper sped up... And whenever I try to setup the transfers things kinda... Collapse. It's probably something i've done wrong but... shrug The mod is marked as version 5 compatable in the mod manager

v0.5.1.0-41bc9c8-xsw NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object ChooChoo.GoodDistributionSettingItemFactory.Create (ChooChoo.GoodsStationDistributionSettings goodsStationDistributionSettings, ChooChoo.GoodsStationGoodDistributionSetting goodsStationGoodDistributionSetting) (at C:/Users/jordy/SynologyDrive/Unity Projecten/TimberbornModsUnity Update 4/Assets/ChooChoo/Scripts/GoodsStationBatchControl/GoodDistributionSettingItemFactory.cs:59)

[narrow oasis]

Are you on version 0.8.1?

[astral nacelle]

{
"Name": "ChooChoo",
"Version": "0.8.1",
"UniqueId": "tobbert.choochoo",
"MinimumApiVersion": "0.5.5",
"MinimumGameVersion": "0.5.0.0",
"EntryDll": "ChooChoo.dll",
"Assets": [
{
"Prefix": "tobbert.choochoo",
"Scenes": [
"All"
]
}
]
}

Aka... I'm 99% sure that the answer is yes, but I also had to download it manually as the mod manager seems to crash when I try to download that version

[tired steeple]

Mod version 8.1 was fully functional on the first Update 5 release (red badwater)

But the Cargo management window broke with the last update (Brown badwater) when they added Grease and Time Cards to the game. I can still place track and create trains but it crashes when I click on "Manage Distribution"

[kindred grove]

Thanks for clarifying what does actually work

[dire zealot]

I have a question about the mechanics/animations/game play/physics of the trains. I am still using U4. I have three lines of trains, so I don't have to deal with waiting stations. I have them set up to transport my beavers from where the housing is, to the more "fun" areas of the map, and back again. However, I was clicking on the train station, and the number of beavers in there can be 0-20, but it is constantly changing. If the train is there, I will click on it, and it says that there aren't any passengers waiting in the station. I was able to catch a beaver before it went into the station, and followed it. It automatically transported me to the other station attached to that line. I have my engines of the train as the big one, and all that cars are set to passenger. Is this normal, or am I missing something? Thank you.

[astral nacelle]

One of the patch-notes mentioned that the passanger thing is practically a teleport due to... Glitchy apperance? Don't remember exact phrasing.

[tired steeple]

when I got my passenger stations setup beavers started using them to teleport before I even had trains built. I had a long line of floating beavers floating between 2 stations. But then they would lose their way and end up stranded on my track. I wasn't watching and lost 2/3 of my colony before I destroyed the stations

[dire zealot]

I don't think I have had that problem of beavers getting stuck on the track. My numbers aren't going down. I was just curious if that is a normal thing, or if I am missing something.

[tired steeple]

My setup was on several different levels with supporting platforms a little bit everywhere. My beavers would get stuck on random supports underneath or beside my tracks. I was designing another project and didn't notice my numbers dropping as more and more got stuck and starved 😦

[dire zealot]

Mine are over existing paths, or over water. I do have one platform extension (one of the path mods that allows you to build a structure over other things, but not the bridge that comes with the game.) over some small food storage.

[tired steeple]

here's a screenshot of my setup. I had my passenger station on top of my plank storage (bottom middle) and beavers were flying along the red line, getting stuck on support platforms with no ground access near the orange circles

the other stations were getting some travellers and I didn't notice any issues but finally pulled all my passenger stations out when I lost 2/3 of my colony. took several hours to get the numbers back up

(I'm freely using all the platform mods so maybe it just didn't like all the structure above my water tanks)

[dire zealot]

It is weird that they would get stuck with a path right next to them. So, did they decompose in the tanks and everyone else drank them?

[tired steeple]

they were falling below the paths for some reason

[tired steeple]

Oh NICE! haulers use the passenger station even when hauling cargo. I can get my buildsite supplied without the broken cargo station 🙂

starting a new map and my first passenger station is pretty far away. Beavers are now just teleporting between the two so hopefully I won't lose any this time

[dense burrow]

has the one way peice of track been removed from the game? Ive only just come back to game after a couple months off, and I can't find it any more.

[narrow oasis]

The Straight Train Track can now be toggled to be an One Way Track.

[dense burrow]

Thank you very much

much bettter this way I must say

[quick thistle]

Im back and wanted to share here that the mod is updated again. Shouldnt crash on the button anymore

[tired steeple]

Fix Confirmed! Thanks man!

[jagged rune]

Quick question, I have a train going out to a metal outpost, and my haulers keep taking scrap from the district and back out to the outpost (through the passenger stations), creating a perpetual loop of wasted time

Is there any way I can stop this?

I tried switching the send/receive order around but like, that doesn't work

It's like my beavers are determined to use the train in the worst way possible for moving goods

Please help me my beavers are too stupid to use a train

(Through this entire process, the station they're supposed to pick the metal up from is completely ignored)

[strange blade]

Other way then deleting the passengers station....

[jagged rune]

But they use those to get to the scrap pile

I guess I can't use trains for intra-district transport

[jagged rune]

I solved the problem by just turning the metal outpost into it's own mini-district, with 6 beavers & everything they need shipped in

Food & water goes in, scrap comes out

When the scrap pile runs dry I'll either just assimilate it back in or turn it into something else

[loud sentinel]

Do train-stations have in-built signals? Do i have to have signals like this or can i leave them out before and after the station?

[quick thistle]

this is fine

you dont need that many

those are just to indicate sections

[loud sentinel]

As a satisfactory and tpf2 player, i see those as train signals.

[spice terrace]

hey gang, hows the bug situation rn, specifically interested in the bug where the beavers teleport between passenger stations while the trains just chill at stations

[strange blade]

It's not a bug, it's how it works. No way, yet, to make it works as it sould be.

[quick thistle]

Because of the many situations that can come up and no time to work on it it is still the same. Teleporting based on absolute distance.

The problem are situations like what do beavers do when no train exists. What happens when trains are stuck bc of the layout and cannot acces the pickup or delivery station. What happens with beavers that are inside a train that gets stuck? And possibly a few more.

I havent thought about how to actually implement it aswell. I have some ideas, but those are complex aswell 😦

[jagged rune]

Creative mode/dev mode build but it still took me an hour or two to wrap my head around this circuit & get rid of the deadlocks

[torn cipher]

Hello! I'm hoping someone here can help me get my trains to run (and generally explain how waiting stations work 🥲) I have set up the sections to only allow trains to run in an anti-clockwise direction around my town , but they keep getting stuck at the waiting stations...

My track circuit only has passenger stations all in the same district and i'm running the game on Update 4.

[quick thistle]

You only have passenger stations?

[torn cipher]

yup, and 1 waiting station, but its not part of the track. its where the train currently is in the first pic

[tall bridge]

can they go from point a- point B without going trought waiting stations or other stations?
what i know that is a limitation but can be wrong.

[quick thistle]

Real passenger station movement is disabled. Passengers will teleport between passenger stations as the system for the actual movement was extremely buggy and havent had time to fix. For now having 2 connected passenger stations is enough and a train will do most of the time nothing

[torn cipher]

ohhh got it, perhaps i will replace the passenger stations with goods stations just to check if the circuit works fine. thanks for clarifying !

[obtuse arrow]

Is this mod broken? Im on Timber API 0.6.3.0 and Choo! Choo! version 0.8.3. I've turned off all other mods leaving on dependencies for this one). The error looks like its referencing a location not on my computer?

[strange blade]

Is broken

[quick thistle]

Got reports it broke. I will try this weekend

As i saw from the error, might be small fix

Probably a name got changed

[paper jacinth]

can we just make this mod official already? my gosh I love this

[acoustic stone]

is that why the train is just sitting there on my world? lol

gorgeous mod i cant wait to have a working train..

[quick thistle]

No, you shouldt get in game kind of errors

What version you using?

Experimental or stable?

If stable, then trains work fine i believe

Been a while

[acoustic stone]

oh? i use stable... it just sits in the station

the layour is sort of

---

|___x|

| being goods stations
x train station

the guy working in the station just kinda drinks water and pray all day and the train smokes and does nothing

do i need to take the train station out of between the goods stations? can it not pathfind through

[quick thistle]

could you show some screens of the situation? It might be your layout should be changed or didnt setup the good configuration correctly

[acoustic stone]

i will as soon as i can! really appreciate your time on this

[quick thistle]

might be im a sleep though, been a tiresome day

[acoustic stone]

oh my god it fixed itself nvm <3

(train is GORGEOUS)

[latent basalt]

what folder do i put it in

plz help

[quick thistle]

When in need for general help with modding, please check out #🚀mod-users

This is for specific help with my Choo Choo mod

[latent basalt]

yes what folder do i put that specific mod in

please help

[outer loom]

There is nothing specific

[latent basalt]

i have decided to be a responsible person and quit trying to mod

[remote iron]

is choo choo still broken in update 5

[quick thistle]

I believe last update broke it yes. Started my job so havent had time 😦

[remote iron]

not a problem was just checking

[proper shoal]

can i please get some help

[quick thistle]

Could you post the problem?

[proper shoal]

went to server direct, figured it out eventually after 5 HOURS of testing tracks facepalm

[tulip sentinel]

how do i actually get the trains to transport passengers? there are trains active but theye wont move the people

[swift harness]

oh... that would inspiration? 😅
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[quick thistle]

Funny model yes xD

[wise ivy]

I built a train loop for my world and the trains just.. aren't running...

What do I do?

[gilded fern]

how many sections have you got?

[quick thistle]

You have configured the Goods Stations correctly?

[wise ivy]

One

[wise ivy]

There are no goods stations

Only passenger

[kindred grove]

This is likely your issue. Need at least 1 section per train

Even with one train, you still need 2 sections I believe

[wise ivy]

This is the loop, what's the issue

[kindred grove]

I believe you need at least one more section of track. From what I remember, the trains only move forwards if the section of track in front of it is empty. So the train looks up and sees another train ahead of it currently(it's own back)

[errant light]

is Choo Choo mod still broken for Update 5? If so, does anyone know the last stable release for Update 4?

[mighty sun]

Did you ever get an answer? Just tried to add it and it broke things.

[quick thistle]

U5 is indeed broken. Will try to update once it hits stable.

[woven crescent]

Love the choo choos

Wish the wide corners could be nested in each other but I suppose that's a limitation of the game and how it handles building footprints lol

same for wide corners + the wide three ways and such

im still on stable tho

[quick thistle]

i changed this in exp, but that build is broken. Dont have time to keep it running.

now i think about it, we have a release date

i can start working on it

[woven crescent]

Are stations broken in update 4, by the way? Beavers don't haul away the contents to storage it seems. Not sure if that's intentional to deal with some game limitation or a glitch.

so what happens is that the storage at the goods station will fill up to the maximum set and just sit there instead of being emptied to storage in that district

[quick thistle]

I remember something being wrong on update 4. Might be yes. I believe i fixed it on upsate 5 but an update broke the whole mods so. It should work normally from update 5 onwards.

[kindred grove]

Hurray! The return of choo choo mod is coming. I'm excited

[woven crescent]

It seems that in update 4 the game sometimes gets stuck and you have to fiddle with the send/receive boxes on stuff to get it unstuck

Bit if that's fixed in update 5 then yippee

[quick thistle]

I believe that is the case yes. That its already fixed.

[plush token]

ok i have a problem with my train

is there french people

[quick thistle]

please no french in this chat

im very much against

[plush token]

ok

can you help me

[quick thistle]

yea sure thing!

will try to atleast

[tall bridge]

Images is more than 1000 words😉

[copper crypt]

Why not?

[copper crypt]

How are you still active here?

[quick thistle]

i hate it when french people start talking french in english servers

[tall bridge]

why not? im one of few mod authors?

plus rules
https://discordapp.com/channels/558398674389172225/559845481551757320/559850208326975500

[copper crypt]

Yeah, but you have been active for a long time without any pause, as far as i know

[copper crypt]

?

[quick thistle]

rules of the discord

[copper crypt]

Yeah whats with that?

[tall bridge]

rule 1

[copper crypt]

Yeah

Ah okau

How are you 2 doing?

[quick thistle]

i have a job

and will start with my master next year

very excited

[copper crypt]

Which master?

[quick thistle]

Register accountancy

At Nyenrode

[copper crypt]

Sounds difficult

[quick thistle]

Yea, probably will be

but the money is insane

[copper crypt]

Thats the goal!

[quick thistle]

and i find it fun, :p

[tall bridge]

could be better home sick with a cold but im in here now to not think of that 😛

[quick thistle]

ohno, not a cold

[copper crypt]

Hope u get better soon

[tall bridge]

me 2 😉

[quick thistle]

do you have fireworks in Sweden?

[copper crypt]

Has anything big happend except from the official updates?

[quick thistle]

otherwise sadge going outside

[copper crypt]

Like big mods or something?

[quick thistle]

we all arent as active i believe

[quick thistle]

Mimic started ripping of other mods and creating small value chaning mods

[copper crypt]

Oh, so its kind of a coincidence i find the only 2 ppl i talked to in the same channel at the same time

[tall bridge]

ya we do tonight (23h)

[quick thistle]

But regarding choochoo im gonna try to get it update before the 18th so it can be used on release

[copper crypt]

I should really do another Timberborn playtrough

But idk if i feel like playing it

Might as well try the new update on the 18th

Hopefully with trains

[slender helm]

Is there a dedicated FAQ for this mod? I was experimenting with how it works but it wasn't filling the train wagons completely

[quick thistle]

I know that some things were buggy and some were not, I dont believe one exists, but youre free to ask!

best is to send images of the situation. Best way i can help 🙂

[slender helm]

Fair enough - I'd have to recreate it as it was a throw-away game

[quick thistle]

BUt the description has a lot of info btw

also has some videos of youtubers using the mod and explaining as they go

But also good news! got flipping working!

And removed most corners which people wouldnt like to be ocupied

if it looks wierd, its on the the player

[slender helm]

Thanks - the usage of the mod seems pretty straight forward (I am used to Factorio and LTN)

[quick thistle]

Yea it does a lot for you

As Timberborn is more chill, i wanted to make it fit the game more

[slender helm]

It was just odd the train took less than the full cargo load

[quick thistle]

by being more automatied

[slender helm]

I do like the train animations 😄

[quick thistle]

goes as soon as it can

[slender helm]

Choo! Choo!

[slender helm]

I debug loaded the station with 200 logs as it's only cargo and only requested amount at the other station

[woven crescent]

nice. just wanted the corners to be open for more track anyway :p

[quick thistle]

fix is live, not gonna add the update 5 tag, but ima play with it myself right now

hoping to find some more bugs

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , will start a new game, to test. Hope will be a game, not a bug game 🤣 But, can you talk with Knatte to use his tunnels for trains ? And, maybe, also the metal bridges (but with prebuilded tracks ?

[quick thistle]

hmm tunnels

hmmm

[quick thistle]

I will discuess with Knatte about it 🙂

[strange blade]

And, if I am not too sadistic, to break the train if running in badwater ? 👹

@quick thistle [Error : Unity Log] InvalidOperationException: Failed to load asset (tobbert.choochoo/tobbert_choochoo/TrackRIntersectionRight2x3.IronTeeth). Asset name does not exists inside bundle

[quick thistle]

bruh im such a retard

wait

why arent i crashing

[quick thistle]

what, i dont have that crash

[strange blade]

It is not a crash

[quick thistle]

I made a typo?

hmm

even on an older save of mine it doesnt do that

[tall bridge]

what faction?

[strange blade]

IT

[quick thistle]

[tall bridge]

tobbert tested ft?

[quick thistle]

maaaaybe

[tall bridge]

have Neeever done that error my self 🤣

[quick thistle]

oki, uploading now 🙂

sorry Todor 😦

[strange blade]

Just a short break in playthrough 😄 Not a big deal 🤣

[quick thistle]

I find it funny, as a i started a new world and was like, less do FT for once

its finished uploading

[strange blade]

Downloaded. Let test begins 🐸

New game started 🎆

[quick thistle]

@strange blade flipping goods stations will not working for some ** reason

[strange blade]

Track issue ?

[quick thistle]

not sure

really

[tall bridge]

i think its because it when flipping the track moves to other side but is it moved in all places in code

[strange blade]

Visual , flip is OK ...

[quick thistle]

yea, but trains wont transport

[tall bridge]

better if just entry was moved between sides i think

[strange blade]

and the yard is working ?

[kindred grove]

Perfect place for my FT hammocks

Hope it gets weird

Trains whizzing by at high speeds should provide a nice breeze

As long as
Beavers
Need
Safe
Fields
isn't driving the trains

[bold current]

only noticed the unstuck one, any others as well?

[quick thistle]

Wind changer is nearly 1 on 1 aswell

And there was the name changer

Which is just a worse version of another one

[bold current]

ah ok

[tall bridge]

@strange blade can you load a save with trains added?

or wait could be last timberborn update that broke stuff

[quick thistle]

Could be

[tall bridge]

a save without choo choo as only removed item did not load

[quick thistle]

Or it doesnt work with mimic mods

[tall bridge]

see my findings in #🤖mod-creators

[strange blade]

A new record. Train broke in the same day was fixed 😭

[tall bridge]

or new record its not his fault this time 😛

[strange blade]

It is not !

[strange blade]

Nope, was another game update 🤣

[woven crescent]

Yes please add train tunnels 😅

[slender helm]

@quick thistle The issue I'm having with it not fully loading wagons, could it be that I am still on Update 4 and v0.7.9 of Choo! Choo! ?

I used whatever version of the mods the mod manager automagically installs - I assume they are latest versions for the base game - the mods have a severe lack of changelogs 😄

[strange blade]

Usually, live version of a mod is for stable version of the game, latest version of a mod, for experimental

[slender helm]

As I said - no changelogs for anything so I have no idea what's going on with any of them 😛

[tall bridge]

and update 4 is stable branch

[strange blade]

until January 18 🥳

[quick thistle]

As i said, should have made this so much earlier

Debugging the pathfinding system

[tall bridge]

what does the yellow things tell you?

[quick thistle]

which points a train will go to

its path

[tall bridge]

🙂

[quick thistle]

when clicking on a trackpiece i can now also see what points it will use

this is what will show it for tunnels aswell

[quick thistle]

Fixed the building issue

[strange blade]

Can you update from 0.8.5 ? I got a crash when updating 😮

[quick thistle]

not allwoed either

[strange blade]

Why ? The folder name is correct and exists ... 🤔

[quick thistle]

other mods dont seem to have the issue

how wierd

[tall bridge]

could it be that assets is loaded at all and not just map editor and ingame?

[quick thistle]

yes it is it seems

[tall bridge]

changed and i was able to update

"Scenes": [
          "InGame",
          "MapEditor"
        ]

[quick thistle]

but this sucks, as people will crash now

[tall bridge]

whats new? 😉
is ||tunnel ||work 😛
||think i did it to high||

[quick thistle]

Love it

but still busy updating everything again

[tall bridge]

ya but if i have models ready then its eayer to do 😉
||and thinking of an extention to and extention or "Rail Extention"||

[quick thistle]

fair fair

[tall bridge]

||could do both Tunnel and bridge with rails on them then||

[half yacht]

At least, you don't have to change anything for the bridges

[tall bridge]

There we go folktails also prepared 🙂

[quick thistle]

You still have rpoblems with pathinding @tall bridge ?

[tall bridge]

have not tried to flip will do some tests soon

[quick thistle]

well, i think i FINALLY found it

well

i didnt

but

i just COMPLETELY RESET the whole track system ANYTHING happens

should fix it

xD

[tall bridge]

hehe

[quick thistle]

gonna have to test this build a lot myself aswell

WANTED TODO THAT YESTERDAY

BUT THEN AN UPDATE CAME OUT

[tall bridge]

[strange blade]

Can you add, in Choo! Choo! settings, if Thomas the tank engine is installed, those engine in Default engine list ?

[quick thistle]

that isnt happening

ohyea

[quick thistle]

Finally have that dynamic

[tall bridge]

Specification and declare a locname + prefab to use?😉

[quick thistle]

The problem was some logic. Had to rewrite 2 classes

They depended on game logic. They are now split so they can be loaded in main menu

[quick thistle]

All mods do have changelogs on the mod.io page

[woven crescent]

Thank you so much for tunnels

[slender helm]

I must have missed them - I'll have a look, thanks

[quick thistle]

Just finished the Specification system for the track system

it now uses specification files

slight performance hit, under half a second

should be fine overal

Massive changelog: TrackPieces now use specifications. This means its more easy to add external mods that add tracks. Fixed a massive bug which was often causing trains to randomly stop moving. Added several debugging tools. Move passenger station to Dev Mode to discourage the building while working on a improved system.

"massive"

Seems the acces denied to move directory is still a problem

[woven crescent]

what is the maximum storage for a goods station

[quick thistle]

200 i believe

[woven crescent]

I see

the good station looks so small for 200 resources lol

advanced freight storage technology

[tall bridge]

do tell (image of components needed) when your ready to get rail extention 🙂

[quick thistle]

will do! wont be today though

[tall bridge]

np

[slender helm]

Feature request: A simple stand alone S-bend from the switch as it's own piece

[woven crescent]

oh yeah

that would be really useful actually

[kindred grove]

For the train illiterate: a wuh?

[slender helm]

Look at the switches - then remove the straight bit so you're left with the "S" bend

[woven crescent]

S bend would be so useful for Terrace Valley

[quick thistle]

Best example would be the 1x1 corner i guess.

Track distance is used for the pathfinding, it should be the average length in whole numbers of the track

Divides section doesnt need to be used. Is used by waiting stations for example

Path Marker does is important, its what shows the colors of the sections in game

its best you copy a extisting one and just duplicate it and offset it

Here you have the crossing, it has a 1 long straight

[tall bridge]

🙂 can you right click on a track prefab and press export package?
straight piece maybe

[quick thistle]

Though i have to say, it might be easier to just have the tunnels be in the base mod

would make changes easier

[tall bridge]

then i compile the model for you

[quick thistle]

Straight track is exception

[tall bridge]

😮 because it has option for deviners?

[quick thistle]

Yes, has a lot more going on

The crossing is a even better example yea

Also having the wiating station is a good example. As that one is straight but a few meters long

you see what would need to change to indicate that

[tall bridge]

will look into it tonight/tomorrow

[quick thistle]

Cool! lemme know if you stuck on anything!

[tall bridge]

do the #TrackMarker need to be one piece right?

[quick thistle]

Yes

Or atleast 1 parent

[tall bridge]

@quick thistle Hmm not sure what im not doing

[quick thistle]

now should be without the .Folktails

as it is used for all versions

So just have RE_Tunnel_1 as the name and then RE_Tunnel_1 .Folktails and RE_Tunnel_1 .IronTeeth as the prefabnames

[tall bridge]

🤔

[tall bridge]

😄 @quick thistle Weee 🙂

time for dinner then continue add more lengths and bridges

[tall bridge]

what does this do? for curves?

[quick thistle]

Correct, you can specify how a train should move when going from one place to another

Points can be as close to eachother as possible, but they cannot be off the tracks

otherwise it wouldnt be able to move if it gets stuck at some point

also points are based on the center of the track

[tall bridge]

so route corners can me 0 for me as all is straight atm?

[quick thistle]

Yea, when straight: 1x [0,0,0]

[tall bridge]

Grr why am i getting this error.
i have even copied folktail version and just change model and disable 4 long tunnel on folktail but still same error :S

wait you only use one track for both factions?

removed the 2 components for rails and it loads

[quick thistle]

You probably changed the science

Should be set to 0

@tall bridge

[quick thistle]

uuuh, no, as the materials are different

[tall bridge]

but if i remove the track component it loads :S

[quick thistle]

That is because having a track will trigger the lock mecanism

which, if there are multiple of, will make it crash

it will not happen if Science is set to 0

[tall bridge]

😮

but did work for folktails

[quick thistle]

oke wierd

[tall bridge]

well setting to 0 worked so 0 it is

[quick thistle]

if science is not 0 it should always crash

[tall bridge]

Question how should i do the bridges
as image A 2 rails built in
as Image B 1 rail built in

Pros:
B: can set a track at start of bridge or in between bridges

Cons: ?

[quick thistle]

B is better right?

[tall bridge]

ya my thought 2

[quick thistle]

Yea, think so 2

you can even do a 2x2 corner into it

[tall bridge]

then we go for B

[quick thistle]

as the inside of the corner is now empty

[tall bridge]

🙂

[quick thistle]

and doesnt seem it would intersect, so look epic

[tall bridge]

hmm looks correct but i use corner to mount to for the bridge and looks like you block corner or use it

[quick thistle]

oooh

hmmm

i block corner yes

bc i dont want a pole from a platform in the middle of the tracks

[tall bridge]

how does block object look like for it? maybe has some space i can use instead without blocking the transition up

Hu (its lifted up one Z because it blocks top under bridge)

[quick thistle]

ooho i know the problem

is the top one full?

hmm

[tall bridge]

sent you the plugin if you have some debug you can do

do i have to declare connection for both ways?

[quick thistle]

what you mean?

Trackroutes, yes 2

[tall bridge]

could be that then

[quick thistle]

trackroute is just 1 route, so if they can go both ways you need 2

Different colors shouldnt be happening though

[quick thistle]

Yes, exactly, if you reverse the one you have, it should be fine

[kindred grove]

Beautiful

[quick thistle]

Also, you only need 1 routecorner

[quick thistle]

The last image, only 1 x0y0z0 is needed

[tall bridge]

Tunnel now works in both ways but bridges still behave strange

[quick thistle]

thats because (i think) they have 1 below

how does this work again

from the side, can you show which blocks are occupied?

[quick thistle]

What you say here, means it isnt on the ground right

[tall bridge]

but the arrow is on the right place

[tall bridge]

ya or using Base Z 1 maybe Specs does not take that into acount but other parts do?

well we can look more tomorrow

[quick thistle]

Yea, tried looking, but dont see anything wierd, would have to indeed install, will do that tomorrow

[tall bridge]

Option B add long track pieces for bridges and use path extention bridges 😉

[quick thistle]

true i guess

might be an better solution anyways

less total bridges overal

[tall bridge]

ya think i will go for it

can you have 2 tracks beside each other like 2 S-tracks and have them as sepperate systems? or will all be connected together as one segment?

[quick thistle]

Sections are per object

So if they are in the same, then no, they cannot be on seperate segments

[woven crescent]

S tracks

I would accept S tracks having gaps just for the utility of something vaguely diagonal lol

[slender helm]

I just want to nudge the track over one tile without using two 90's - it's really jarring :\

[quick thistle]

Ive been working on debugging tools to make the making of tracks easier

SSo i hope to make some more types

[slender helm]

I will understand if you don't want to make a bunch of one-off variants though - I made a conveyor belt mod for RimWorld years ago >.<

[quick thistle]

those types of tracks are really usefull though

just making them sucks balls

with how the track system works

[slender helm]

The "selectors" addon for the conveyor mod was the entire set of all possible variants - They were super useful but a PITA to implement

Haven't played that game in a long time

[woven crescent]

If I had S tracks I would have probably used them instead of the big 90 degree bend I ended up using lol

[woven crescent]

It would also be faster to just place S tracks to go diagonally lol

[slender helm]

There are many reasons, lol

[strange blade]

[tall bridge]

what would you say to have the option to do 3-7 long straight tracks as one building?

[strange blade]

Depend only where you activate the track divider in straight track.

[tall bridge]

hmm was not planned to enable that

[tall bridge]

the tought was to have it easier to build on long straight tracks and you add singel track where you want signals

[tall bridge]

Mainly to help build track over bridges

[quick thistle]

For sure is not a bad idea

If you dont add the divider, which shouldnt be done on anything else, because i believe its very specific and will break if used on a bigger trackpiece

[tall bridge]

hmm maybe found the problem why bridges did not work

[quick thistle]

oh

[tall bridge]

wrong written spec 😉

[quick thistle]

ooh, so it might work?

[tall bridge]

checking atm

[tall bridge]

Almost 😛

There we go 😄

[slender helm]

New locomotive model with a wheelie bar?

[tall bridge]

no working on bridges and tunnels

[slender helm]

That was a joke 😛

[quick thistle]

Loool

[tall bridge]

roundcorners have to be at same height and connection should not point inward towards itself 😛

[strange blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5hqwq_9HzA

[tall bridge]

Soon ™️ 😉

[strange blade]

LOL, trains underwater ? And will still smoke ❓ 😍 🤣

[tall bridge]

why not 😛 safe work environment was optional 😛

[half yacht]

Trains with active cooling x)

[strange blade]

how will be with badwater cooling ?🐸

[half yacht]

"20% faster !"

😄

[half yacht]

"As a commantary for it : "Wait, it has to be safe?"

[strange blade]

Poor Tobbert. No solutions, yet, for beaver hats, and now, has to make snorkels 🤣

[woven crescent]

reminds me actually. think it would be kinda fun to have little cargo boats in this game. but that is beyond the scope of choo choo mod

they could have beavers on them driving them like flinstones cars

[tall bridge]

problem is that water height is not constant and its hard to get it so not so realistic thing to add

[woven crescent]

aw

tru

[slender helm]

I was just saying yesterday with how many injured beavers I have they need an OSHA inspector

[tall bridge]

Rail extention released (alpha release)

Findings and such:
https://discordapp.com/channels/558398674389172225/1193637751761936556/1193637751761936556

@quick thistle 😄 its released 🥳

[strange blade]

Maybe bridges and tunnels should allow workers to reach the other end. I do not see other way (a quite easy one) to continue the construction to the other side. Anyway, when tracks will be placed to connect the bridges and tunnels with network tracks, will become impassable (except trains) 🤔 But, excelent work 👏

[tall bridge]

or you build a walkway on one side 😉

but there is some bridges that has both sides in it could add more of those

[strange blade]

for bridges, yes, but for tunnels ?

[woven crescent]

I've just been using a single tunnel section in path extention lol

didn't think to build it using two lol

[slender helm]

The "usual" approach to large constructions is temporary scaffolding and ladders which is removed when the project is completed

[strange blade]

Is working, but, if you have to build a tunnel from the other side, its not so funny 😮

funny part will be with tunnels. If you miss the correct place to start, will have, at the end, more tunnels 🐸

[strange blade]

@tall bridge , KnatteTobbert.RE_Tunnel_1L.Description,Allows beavers to pass through Levees. should be KnatteTobbert.RE_Tunnel_1L.Description,Allows trains to pass through Levees.

[tall bridge]

Fixed

[slender helm]

ermagurd, the in-game mod manager is shyte >:|

[slender helm]

Well, it took a couple hours - but I now am on the experimental branch just in time for it to go live and break my game >.<

[kindred grove]

I see you Thomas

[quick thistle]

@tall bridge how about making it just a dependency?

did it in the wrong channel

[tall bridge]

Not sure what you mean rail extention has choo choo as a dep

[strange blade]

Its reverse. But, already depends on Choo! Choo! mod.

[quick thistle]

Choochoo depends on rail so its always installed

[tall bridge]

On mod.io would work ya

[strange blade]

And, if you look into mod.json for rail, it depends on Choo Choo 🤣

[quick thistle]

Yea, but if i add it on mod.io then it will always be installed

when using mod manager that is

and i feel its just better with it always being installed no?

[strange blade]

Sure, but, circular dependencies ... 🤫

[quick thistle]

yea i know, thats why im asking to switch it around

[tall bridge]

well i do not see a problem with having choo choo req it on mod.io it just enforces it to be installed 😉 and by having choo choo as a dep in my mod.json i enforce that it do not crash if choo choo would be disabled 😉 so go for it. its like water beaver what mods are thought to be used together

[stark pendant]

Hello everyone, I love the idea of this mod Choo! Choo!
Speaking of water beaver, I trying to play it with ChooChoo. I really didn't expect to work, but thought I'd give it a shot.
@rose stirrup suggested cloning and renaming ChooChoo_0.8.8\Specifications\Folktails\FactionSpecification.Folktails.json to
ChooChoo_0.8.8\Specifications\Folktails\FactionSpecification.waterbeaver.json

It appeared to work. I can build track and stuff. It crashed when I tried to build a train.
Again no worries if this is out of scope and not where you want to go with it. I'm on U5.

[quick thistle]

yea, thats true, the choo choo doesnt handle custom factions

maybe if i find time to look at that

but earliest is sunday

thanks for sharing though

not sure if anyone tried yet

[stark pendant]

Thanks, it'll be cool if it works.

[woven crescent]

Will we have S-Bends in next release of Choo Choo?

Or is Knatte doing that in extentions

I think a triple switch would also be a nice addition

just a regular switch but it splits into three parallel tracks like a trident

[stark pendant]

Maybe wait until U5 goes live?

[quick thistle]

Thats basicly a 4 way but better looking right 1 to the left 3 to the right for example

[quick thistle]

Depends, if i have time and energy i can probably make that

[quick thistle]

not from me, but maybe @tall bridge has energy. Its fine if you dont ofcourse

[woven crescent]

It basically would be like the switch but it branches off in both directions

[quick thistle]

I believe you cannot take the R-intersection as its not symmetrical

?

i know, impressive

[woven crescent]

Something like that yea

[tall bridge]

Will probably do it is it ok to your switch model to do it?(bot s bend and above switch)
(Hopefully before u5 release but not sure)

[woven crescent]

With a loop on the left side a train can pick three paths. Could also be used to put a goods station and passenger station on either side and such

I had a situation with a map where this would have been useful since sticking a switch onto another switch took up too much length

[quick thistle]

yea u can use the models, but i guess they arent on the github anymore

i can send you them

nono you man

for doing all of that

[slender helm]

tbh, I can think of several more prefab tracks that would be nice

[woven crescent]

There's also this three way that would be useful

It can sort of be done with nested switches right now but this would be more compact

Maybe a scissor crossing as well :p

[quick thistle]

scissor is possible if it is 1 piece

a sort of mirrored y intersection

Ive also been thinking about diagonals aswell

[woven crescent]

Yea

[quick thistle]

it should be possible with the current system

though very specific, so would have to try

[woven crescent]

Also N shaped crossings like this

[woven crescent]

I think about diagonals in Timberborn a lot honestly. I've seen those beavers walk diagonally but you give them a path..

[tall bridge]

Notice Rail bridges and tunnels will soon have science upkeep
(will not affect the shortest of them)

Planned science upkeep cost:

Train tunnel:

• 1,2 long free
• levee + 3 = 1/h
• 4,5 = 2/h
• 6,7 = 3/h
• 8,9 = 4/h

Train bridges:

1,2 = free
3,4 = 2/h
5 = 3/h
6 = 4/h

Full bridge

7,8 = 5/h
9 6/h
10 8/h

[quick thistle]

meh, i wouldnt know

i dont play the game much

if you think its a good idea 👍

[tall bridge]

its a rework im doing also for normal bridges and tunnels and lowering the science cost of tunnels 😉

[quick thistle]

oooh also gives more meaning to science, so im a fan

[strange blade]

YA, but how can block tunnels and bridges for working if no science ?

[tall bridge]

ya that is also my thought

some one has to be there an inspect it 😛

[quick thistle]

1 and 2 are free aswell, so thats nice

[tall bridge]

ya have an enty way to get them hooked 😛

[quick thistle]

if they need to go through something, thats doable, but if they wanna optimise, its more expensive

[tall bridge]

ya

its even so that the tunnel will work even without science its just that you will not be able to reseach anything new until you inc you production 😉

[tall bridge]

Rail extention updated.

Notice any built bridge or tunnel with rail longer than 2 long need to be deleted and rebuilt after mod update else it will crash!

Update removed waiting on hotfix by tobbert

[kindred grove]

my only real compliant is that IT have a way to get science w/o beavers and FT do not

meaning i'll always need those FT to upkeep my tunnels

i don't hate it, just wonder about the usefullness of it to the FT

gonna absoultely suck for the WB LOL

[tall bridge]

hmm true maybe have them little higher before it req science upkeep

[sacred garnet]

Starting to get railroad tycoon vibes..

[woven crescent]

If anything the switches should cost research because they gotta coordinate that stuff somehow :9

[rose stirrup]

what happens if you run out of science ?

[tall bridge]

Nothing just will not get more until you have hogher production

[bold current]

would be nice if that could be turned off in the mods config (haven't tried it just yet so might already be the case)

[tall bridge]

Well each piece have a pause button so it can be paused but at end game where choo choo is how big problem is it with a few points/hr

[zealous turret]

I'm trying to place two complete train bridges end to end. I have platforms at the midpoint of the two. But I can't seem to reach the middle points to place the missing straight tracks. This wasn't a problem when placing regular suspension bridges because they included a path on the end pieces. Any ideas?

[strange blade]

Use regular bridges for workers or use platforms ...

You can demolish them later if needed and recover goods

[zealous turret]

Do you mean run regular bridges along side the train bridge. If so can the worker reach the train bridge endpoint to place the straight track?

[slender helm]

Either that or teach your beavers to fly

Build temp bridge/scaffolding (beavers can only reach up two levels, down to the bottom) so you will need to build and plan accordingly

[zealous turret]

So build a temp bridge under the train bridge? Would make more sense and be easier if the train bridge included track at the end point.

[tall bridge]

hmm can also be more problem becasue then you cant have any signals between bridges then

best build a bridge beside the railway for beavers

do you need longer low cost bridges? like 2 sided normal bridge?

[zealous turret]

Right now I have 3 normal 2 sided bridges placed end to end. I'm trying to replace them with train bridges. I'm trying the train and regular side by side approach now.

[slender helm]

fwiw, if using the ladder mod you can build scaffolding fairly quickly and easily or even embed them directly into your support structure

[zealous turret]

Looks like the side by side works, BUT, the regular bridge can't be end to end. There must be one section of regular path between in order for the workers to place the missing track.

[strange blade]

or, from more platform mod you can use Reinforce ladder for climbing and supporting bridges ...

[slender helm]

Yeah, if you look at my bridges, you'll see there is a single track between setup as a section block

[slender helm]

Those too, I actually use a mix depending on need - ie, metal for when I attach side platforms

But for temporary access to build a train support, the cheaper wood ladders are all that's needed and they will get torn down in the end anyway

[strange blade]

YA, if you want to use solid column support for bridges. But, for metal bridges, trusted suport columns like reiforsed ladders, looks better.

[tall bridge]

maybe need to release a arc decoration cube so you can build with cubes up

this but metal/tree look

[slender helm]

The minimal "inline" station platform I could come up with, elevated above the "potable reservoir"

[quick thistle]

thats wild

[quick thistle]

experiencing any issues?

[slender helm]

Station side

[slender helm]

Other than the massive footprint? 😄 No

[quick thistle]

epic! love to hear that

[slender helm]

top-down

[tall bridge]

know that metal levee blocks contamination? (decoration extention)

[slender helm]

Don't know about that - I have a specialized "bad tide spill way" and a "clever" system of gauges and gates to direct them through

I've kept my beavers very busy

Am I banned for image spamming yet?

[tall bridge]

nope we love it 😛

[strange blade]

Well, cycle 62 ... Sure not a short game 👏 🥳

[slender helm]

I set them up with a mountain of work and then take the dog for a walk 😉

After you get past the first 10 cycles, they pretty much take care of themselves

[slender helm]

hmm, not seeing them in the build list - did it recently update?

[tall bridge]

do you have that mod? https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/decoration-extention

[slender helm]

Ahh! I only have the base mod - thanks for the link 🙂

btw, your strings are not being translated properly, the escape sequences are being displayed instead of being escaped

[tall bridge]

🤔 will look at it

[tall bridge]

found a bug 😦
Crash if opening map editor
you add groups so you need to set mod.json to include "MapEditor"

else it does not find the icon used

[strange blade]

Already do this 3 weeks ago 😄

[devout talon]

do the trains work properly now?!?

[quick thistle]

havent had any issues in a few months now

reported to me that is

[devout talon]

yay!
I wanted to get back into the game cause of the update and was worried the mods would take too long to update!

[quick thistle]

i was keeping up to date with U5 🙂

have fun!

[zealous turret]

I'm watching a train stop at a goods station that only sends one item and accepts nothing. I can see the wagon contents go up, then back to 0, then up, then back to 0. The train always leaves the station empty. Any ideas why?

[zealous turret]

I solved the empty train problem by setting the item's export threshold to a non-zero value. Selecting "export without restriction" or "export none" also works. This seems odd since both sending station and accepting stations are in the same district (I haven't added other districts yet). Perhaps at this point in the mod development trains are not meant to transfer goods within the same district. Or its just early in the mod's development. Or I just don't understand district import and export. In any case I'm enjoying the hell out of it!

[quick thistle]

hmmm deletes items? i thought i had fixed that issues 😦

[woven crescent]

How about 3x1 and 4x1 ramps so we can have a softer grade for aesthetics when there is room to do so :9

Honestly if we have all these super long tunnels why not make super long ramps too lol

[quick thistle]

Bc i dont like modelling that much xD

[woven crescent]

Lol

[kindred grove]

Would you be accepting, and maybe consider adding these if someone else did the modeling work?(and it met your standards for quality ofc)

[quick thistle]

i dont have standards

does it look good, then lets goo

the train models are someone elses design

he probably died or something (didnt respond anymore) so i modeled it after some of his iamges

[quick thistle]

@tall bridge could you remove the dependency on choochoo? it seems it can result in loop depedency and crash mod manager.

[tall bridge]

Done

[stark quest]

Hello, all...sorry if Im asking something that has already been answered, but I just started playing with the trains again and in U5 Im not seeing the passenger station any more, but it's still listed in the mod notes. Did it get taken out or did I mess something up installing it?

[strange blade]

Was removed (moved to dev mode). Not working as intended so, will be rebuilded but, will take some time.

[stark quest]

Thanks so much...I thought Id messed something up LOL

[quick thistle]

also, it does is in the changelog: Moved passenger station to Dev Mode to discourage the building while working on an improved system.

and it is unchanged, but any issues related to it, i will not help with it untill i have worked on the improved system .

[stark quest]

Sorry, I missed that. Thank you though

[quick thistle]

Dont have to say sorry, im happy you are using the mod 😊

[graceful fable]

Would a 2x4ish S-bend be something that can be added? Purely an ascetics option but would be nice none the less.

[woven crescent]

The S bend is a popular suggestion

[woven crescent]

I think Knatte might be working on that for rail extentions but I'm not sure

[slender helm]

Need some Roller Coaster Tycoon track pieces - helixes and loops or something ¬¸¬

[graceful fable]

Do good stations function internally to a district?

[zealous turret]

Hey all, what's your favorite map to play with the Choo! Choo! mod?

[strange blade]

Since now we have train tunnels, any map with full of mountains .

[devout talon]

im currently playing on the red Tide map
love to build bridges over the water

[graceful fable]

I personally liked thousand needles before up5 broke my save

and sadly i don't think that its is playable even if you plopped badwater sources in

[devout talon]

i really liked the thousands islands map pre U5
now? ehh...

[zealous turret]

In order to stay within a goods station's capacity, it would sure help if the total items sent and total items received was displayed on each station's distribution list. If this has already been suggested, I second it.

[quick thistle]

What you mean exactly?

The goods inside the station one the right should always show? Instead of only goods currently in there?

[zealous turret]

I mean on the view you see when you tap "manage distribution". For each station show the total number of items desired to be sent, and the total number of items desired to be accepted (two numbers for each station).

[tired canopy]

hi, I was wondering if the mod has any bug/hidden limitation with complex railways setup. i have a station that is not served anymore for some reason and i can't manage to find a reason for that. (i already check the 1ways rails on my railway network like 5 time and simplified station to transport only 1 resource)

[quick thistle]

Hmmm, interesting, you could try to provide some screens of the layout and settings.

Maybe i see something, its a big mod, so there can be bugs for situations that i didnt think of

[tired canopy]

sorry, i wasted your time for nothing, i play on a heavily modded game and for some reason the station was paused but the pause logo wasn't appearing on top of it. it resolved itself when i relaunched the game ><

[quick thistle]

Np! Happy you are enjoying it

[royal arch]

Hey, so anytime I try editing tracks I have to close the game cause the path bugs out with the steel railbridges

not fun to do with 400 creatures (beavers and bots) on cycle 43

Game takes years to load up now

Potato pc go brrr lol

[strange blade]

So, the bug is with bridges with track ?

[royal arch]

Yes

First time I noticed it was when the last section of the loop was made, it didn't finish the loop, I restarted game and it fixed the path

Then I tried making one-way and it did it again, currently rebootinh

[strange blade]

@tall bridge , you may join , it is something with rail extension

[tall bridge]

can you send/upload a crash report

[royal arch]

Didn't crash

Restarted to fix the path

The 2x1 connected to 1x1 railbridge bugs out when you edit tracks/build a loop with them

[tall bridge]

Hmm so track is not connecting got any visual indication that it goes wrong

[royal arch]

Yes, I didn't take a photo tho

[tall bridge]

If so image would be good, and ehat race? Ft?

[royal arch]

The whole loop was white, the 2x1 was green

[tall bridge]

Ok will look into it

Could also be a choo choo bug because a restart fixes it🤔

[royal arch]

I'll try and test some tomorrow, I just don't have room to test on this save, and last I checked creative mode isnt up to date

[royal arch]

unsure which is causing the path bug

I probably am just over engineering this beever save has I am now like 50'sh hours in lol

[tall bridge]

Will have to see if i can reproduce it

[royal arch]

Yeah, I have done to much, my laptop doesn't like the amount of data in this save, threatening to crash but doesn't lol

@tall bridge hey so, I restarted paths look all good now, but my trains no moving

[tall bridge]

Send the save and let me look at it in the weekend

[royal arch]

I'll share it tmr

I deleted the railyard, would that possibly break the engines?

[quick thistle]

no, once a train is created its there, dont care what happened to the yard

[royal arch]

alr

trains turned back on after eleting some track so i could replce something

[quick thistle]

wtf, im so wierded out, what

so placing it places it wrong, but rebooting fixes it, but it should run the same code

It only happens with bridges?

[royal arch]

yes

[quick thistle]

Then bridges are something i didnt account for

but honestly no clue what it could

[royal arch]

tracks arnt connected so pink and purple is right due to the one way loop being broken but see an issue?

[quick thistle]

it with all bridges?

or just the small ones

[royal arch]

small ones

it ooksl ike

[quick thistle]

Then i think its a configuration mistake, though its wierd its fixed after restart

are those filpable?

[royal arch]

1x1 to 6x1 bridges are the issue

if you connected one of those to another one of those the pathfinding goes silly

[quick thistle]

oh, i think i know why

hmmm, might be harder to fix issue then i thought

[royal arch]

Good luck

@quick thistle oh question, passenger trains how do they work, I see the train car model and that's it

[royal arch]

a way you can click and drag the path the train goes via the one way signs might be a way to do it, just a random thought

[quick thistle]

Someone mentioned on reddit changing the name to Chew! Chew!

[woven crescent]

lol

love this mod

i hope we get some other options for moving goods as well so we can make whole networks of trains, conveyers, ropeways, cargo lifts, etc.

[quick thistle]

I wanted to do balloons first

after trains

havent gotten around to it

[woven crescent]

i see 😮

[strange blade]

To trade with waterbeavers ? 😆

[woven crescent]

I appreciate mods like Choo Choo! because they address something I feel like is missing from the game which is some middle ground between beaver labor and bot labor lol

[royal arch]

@quick thistle btw, if you need a test for Choo Choo lmk, I can find ways to break it lol

[royal arch]

@quick thistle my suggestion to fix the bug, is don't allow 1x1-6x1 rail bridges, but have a free rail that can only be built on the brdiges

[woven crescent]

I wonder if it's possible to employ beavers to drive the trains

Right now it appears that a train is basically a new fully formed beaver that just sort of lives in a train

This is a U4 observation tho

I haven't gotten to building my train line again in U5

(there is now badwater in the way in the new version of Terrace Valley)

[royal arch]

same way

[zealous turret]

I updated TimberAPI and now I get this. I can make it go away by disabling Choo! Choo!, but where's the fun in that? Any ideas?

[tall bridge]

not without the crash zip no

[zealous turret]

Of course, where do I find it on a steamdeck?

[strange blade]

Documents\Timberorn\Error reports folder. We need the crash archive .

[zealous turret]

I am using Dolphin in desktop mode on a steamdeck. Its all I know to use. there is nothing in the Documents folder. I suspect this not the Documents folder you are talking about.

[summer jewel]

from the load menu use the button to open the saves-folder, then go to the parent folder ... steamDeck is Linux, so the Documents dir to open is likely somewhere under proton's compat folders in the steam filetree

[summer jewel]

yep,
it should be at .steam/steamapps/compatdata/1062090/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/My Documents/Timberborn/Error reports/

[zealous turret]

found it!

[strange blade]

@tall bridge , the error is from rail extension mod ...

Parameter name: Component ScienceNeedingBuilding wasn't found in entity RE_Bridge_1x6.Folktails

[tall bridge]

Ya happens when he has played with an older version of rail extention and then upgrade @quick thistle talked about doing a hotfix for it later.
How to do in the mean time is select the mod in modmanager and go back one veraion

[zealous turret]

Went back to 0.02 and it's working again. Thank you!

[regal tree]

Hi, why i cant add workers to good stations? And for some reason no good are added to station. And yes I set up export (and import in other station)

I found solution lol 😄 goods will be added only by beavers from hauling post

[royal arch]

Yep

And only transported if their is storage on other end on "receive"

[eternal hollow]

would be nice if the tunels could pass through leves as well

[royal arch]

There should be a 3x1 tunnel or something like that size that doesvthay

Or I thought it existed

[royal arch]

Yeah that ^

[eternal hollow]

Yeah the challenge is when you've got a mix of levee and dirt you then need gaps between them to switch tunnel types

[strange blade]

So, a half tunnel, to allow connecting with other one at the other side @tall bridge ...

[tall bridge]

Hmm so a end that can be in side ground 👍
Will take some time until im able to add it tho

[peak sparrow]

is it something I should be aware off?

[mental berry]

@quick thistle not sure if mentioned before, but your mod seems to crash the "create new map" option

[grim sedge]

This should be added to the main game. idk how I feel about the tight turns though. Seems unrealistic for trains to turn so sharply.

[royal arch]

It's really good for preland scaping tech

[woven crescent]

you can support the track with platforms and levees so it's always possible to make a wide turn if you want to

well

mostly

[quick thistle]

Forgot to mention but made an issue linking to your message. Will look when i have time

[mental berry]

Np! Also i made sure i isolated your mod. I deactivated all mods and tested which ones crash the game. Enabling your mod made my game crash

[inner mirage]

the beavers inside workshop buildings are visible for me even though they are working (in this save, the specific buildings are the water pumps, the inventors, and the lumbermill)

I've also noticed that beavers other than the first idle builder stand "inside" the door of the district center rather than sitting in the same spot as the first idle builder (which is what I think they did before I installed choo choo?) could be related, could be unrelated, could be something that happens in vanilla that I just didn't notice

[inner mirage]

I've confirmed that if I remove this folder from plugins, the animation bug does not occur

[royal arch]

I mean with hills and stuff

[strange blade]

Making science doing nothing 🤣

[quick thistle]

why you posting this in choochoo?

[strange blade]

Is due to this mod 😮

[quick thistle]

oh, i waasnt aware

no other mods installed?

oh you do have others

[strange blade]

They are, but with mod removed, all is normal

All buildings that is supposed to have workers inside when working, are affected

[quick thistle]

so with choo choo only it is also broken?

[strange blade]

Let me try with only trains

[quick thistle]

because i dont even know where to start even checking this bug

i dont change anything related to taht

[strange blade]

Only choo! choo! and Thomas 😢

[quick thistle]

Oke, gonna add it to github

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/issues/7

[strange blade]

But, buildings are working. May add this as a feature (automated) 🤣

[quick thistle]

wait, so the animation is broken only?

[strange blade]

YA

[quick thistle]

oooh, oke

phew

still an issue

though less of an issue

i thought you couldnt play the game anymore

[strange blade]

Is not so bad, just odd ...

[quick thistle]

then i might know where this is located

[silver egret]

The issue be like

// TODO: This breaks animation

[quick thistle]

exactly, it so i wont forget it exists

[wintry adder]

what is that push wheel??

[strange blade]

Hamster wheel, IT variant (4 beavers, 4 X more power, 100 logs to build) ...

[wintry adder]

oh ok.

[past thicket]

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? In a basic closed loop, the trains work. As soon as I build a larger network, they don't.
Picture of train yard and one station which offers water. Another station which expects water is in a different district. No train is driving

[quick thistle]

you have configured the stations?

[past thicket]

The one in the image to offer 200 water (which has already been delivered by haulers), the other one to request 200 water. Then, because I thought perhaps something is wrong with the fluids, I configured the second to offer 200 iron scrap, and the one in the image to request 200 iron scrap (hence the second train)

[quick thistle]

:/ im not aware of issues, but there might be still some then? Idk

they can navigate to the other station?

[past thicket]

They don't navigate at all, even though as far as I can see, they should be able to

Picture of the other station, with view of the entire system

[quick thistle]

i could only suggest saving and restarting your game

if it does not work, then i sadly wouldnt know what is going wrong 😦

You could give your save and mod list so i can take a look

Not the actual mods ofcourse, just the list of them, maybe a screen of them in the folder

[past thicket]

Sure, thank you
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RZmF9pixuYQ9XtepAECPe8miHrh5Gz-F/view?usp=drive_link
Mods are basically choo choo, vertical power shafts and simple floodgate triggers, with dependencies

[quick thistle]

Just now send request

Currently at work still, so I will look sometime later, dont knoww when as im very tired 😦

[lapis carbon]

i recently started playing with this mod and when i created the trains i noticed that my stuff is going into the train and disappearing. I wanted to transport some wood and dynamite for a mega project and the stuff was gone. Haulers go pack the train and i have 2 goods stations, 1 for sending and 1 for receiving, the trains can loop. Am i doing something wrong?

[past thicket]

Thank you very much. Take your time, my trains are not going anywhere (obviously) 😄

[quick thistle]

this means it thinks it can pathfind between to stations while it actually cannot. Please double check the layout to see if they can actually pathfind.

[lapis carbon]

I will try that thanks.

[quick thistle]

if you made sure it should, then you could take the same steps as Dullahan to provide the map and i can take a closer look

[lapis carbon]

alright

[lapis carbon]

I found out what was the problem. some of the tracks were set to 1 way only. my bad 😅

[quick thistle]

my bad that that issue is deleting items though, sorry about that

will add it to the list

[lapis carbon]

no problem i did have 4 k wood anyway so some cleanup was nice

[past thicket]

In my case, the tunnels seem to be the issue. I've made a small test track without tunnels - works. added tunnels - doesn't work. removed them again, works

[lapis carbon]

maybe because tunnels count as a path train can go through and mountans count as a solid terrain and so train is constantly switching beetween passable and impassable?

[quick thistle]

oooh, thanks for the checking

[lapis carbon]

i am not mod dev in any way so its just something that came to my mind

[quick thistle]

I did not create the system like that, but it seems that my system still has problems

[lapis carbon]

who knows maybe its just timberborn path code bugging it

[quick thistle]

oh, the tracksystem is 100% custom code

I write all of that myself

[lapis carbon]

oh in that case i hope you can fix it

[quick thistle]

which tunnels did you test specificly?

[past thicket]

1x1 in the test track, 1x1 and 1x4 in the big one. I might try others

[quick thistle]

it is displaying the same color, so

in your image i mean

[lapis carbon]

I cant test it too if you want

[past thicket]

2x1 works. 1x1 seems to be the issue in my case

Doesn't help with the big track yet though. I'll have to keep experimenting

[inner mirage]

have a chance to look into the animation bug yet?

[quick thistle]

I just pushed all fixes for the mod manger

[royal arch]

ill do some testing later to make sure its all working right

[quick thistle]

i see i didnt finished my sentence, i mean to add that i can therefore look to work on my own mods again

[inner mirage]

I know that feeling. I finished writing the "report abuse" interface for my game and now I can go back to doing fun stuff that isn't UI-related

[quick thistle]

Dont get me started in ui

[silver egret]

UI you mean torture

[royal arch]

need any current bugs looked int

*into

I am build a large rail network

Found a visual but while building, the colored line appears on the the most recently built 1x1 track piece

[inner mirage]

this is a very easy to work around bug, but when you place a straight track piece and then select it, the option to make it a one-way only appears if you select it again after it's built

[quick thistle]

Ohyea,thats a bug still. I forgot as it doesnt impact that much

[royal arch]

@quick thistle oh dam

Don't mirror the train yard

I killed the building hoping it would help

oh dear