Choo! Choo!

[copper crypt]

Water

Im building rails on a lake

[fleet orchid]

So am i 🤣

[copper crypt]

Im building on the recommended map

So the water is 2 deep

And i built way too much

Instead of getting 3 tnt to make it easy i built the whole thing on water

[clear rain]

2000 messages in this thread WHAT

[silver egret]

It's a big thread

He already got 6K downloads

[quick thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/choo-choo-gif-7862671

[narrow oasis]

@quick thistle corrected left/right switches 2x3
``Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionLeft2x3.DisplayName,Gleis Abzweigung Links 2x3,-
Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionLeft2x3.Description,"Eine Abzweigung, die die Züge nach links führt.",-
Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionLeft2x3.FlavorDescription,"Links ist da, wo der Daumen rechts ist.",-

Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionRight2x3.DisplayName,Gleis Abzweigung Rechts 2x3,-
Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionRight2x3.Description,"Eine Abzweigung, die die Züge nach rechts führt.",-
Tobbert.TrackRIntersectionRight2x3.FlavorDescription,"Rechts ist da, wo der Daumen links ist.",-
``

[quick thistle]

ooooh, yea i forgot i had to push the language changes, hope i wwont forget now. Thank you once again

[narrow oasis]

No problem for me, my german game is up-to-date. 😇

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , you see the visualisation number for this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IdZbDjTpaY ??

[gilded fern]

i realized i wasnt using the latest version of this mod. now I see that 1 way tracks have been removed. how does this affect the behaviour of the trains?

[quick thistle]

they arent removed, you have to enable them using the ui

click on some straight tracks

[gilded fern]

oh

o damn

so the trains still work the same?

[quick thistle]

yup nothing change, just more QOL

[gilded fern]

ok, thnx

[clever nest]

Gah! That reminds me. I have to redo the one ways on my other map.

Out of curiosity, under the hood are the old one way still a separate piece?

[quick thistle]

no, the only thing that was important about an one way is a bool that says "DividesSections" set to true. So now i changed the ui so the player can set it with the toggle, but had to add the possability to switch the direction. Which was the hard part to get working with my pathfinding system. But thats mostly because i didnt know some complexe tricks with c#. Bc how i solved it now is i overwrite a property and add something to it only for those tracks

[sinful scarab]

Hmm. Seems waiting stations no longer constitute their own section and cannot be set to do so, and curves/T/R junctions also cannot be set to do so. So you're back to needing a straight piece on each end of a waiting station, to be the divider?

[gilded fern]

https://puu.sh/JAbsO/d9e622a871.png for me they are still a seperate section

[sinful scarab]

Ah, I got fooled - it had just picked really similar colors

[quick thistle]

yea, have to maybe think of something better xD

[sinful scarab]

not normally a big deal

and the circles would make it obvious if there wasn't a train parked on it

just the two sides were so close I though it was still joining them

[clever nest]

So why does the divide sections flag clear when loading an older map?

[strange blade]

new normal track are fallback for non existing old one way track ...

[quick thistle]

Behind the sences everything is now a one way track. But if they are not configured, then the flag is hidden. So on load it looks like everything is now straight track while its the other way around

[clever nest]

Ah. I was wondering if there was a way of identifying the old pieces on load and turning on the one way for the old one ways.

[quick thistle]

I could maybe have found a way, but that would require significant work with how the loading system works

so i didnt bother with trying as its just a one time setup again

[clever nest]

No worries. I only have one other map to update.

[sinful scarab]

But if you want to get fancier, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_coloring - since your highest-degree nodes are the T/R intersections (degree 3), you only need 3 colors, though it's hard to find the 3-color solution. the N+1 (4-color) solution could be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misra_%26_Gries_edge_coloring_algorithm

it's a well-studied NP-complete problem

[quick thistle]

is that math

[sinful scarab]

yes, but also a dozen lines of pseudocode 🙂

but it's an algorithm that could reuses set of 4 distinct colors such that you reuse colors, but never for adjacent edges that touch with the same colors

(if you added an X, thus having nodes with 4 edges, it might need 5 colors - it's N+1)

the random colors are pretty OK too, though

[quick thistle]

maybe it can help in making sure that colors are different enough to make out they are different

[sinful scarab]

yep. Though that turns into the same problem as just starting out with 4 very different colors and then choosing which edges get which one

[dusk plover]

so what would be best way to do 3 distrion area, ie i have one area for framing one for wood/scrap/make stuff and last area where just where start. would be better to have one isngle tract goign to all 3 locations, or track to each other loction ie oen goes to farma nd wood are and then one good to the wood area to the start zoen nad oen to start zoen to farm.

[quick thistle]

Trans can pathfind themselfs. If you have the space and resources than 1 tracks seems fine.

[delicate sierra]

I am not sure whether 3 colors are really enough. We're not in a plane, trains can cross each over on bridges.

[late hinge]

can check out sweet transit for some ideas 😅
this is fun to see in Timberborn - did someone do barges already?

[copper crypt]

What are barges?

[late hinge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge

[copper crypt]

You dont really have a map to use them? The most maps have small rivers, waterfalls or just no reason to use a barge.

[gilded fern]

@quick thistle FYI the track crossings don't always connect to the paths next to them. It's a visual quirk, the paths will still function as expected. It's solved by rotating the track crossing itself. https://puu.sh/JAeZJ/2edf2bc6dc.png

[quick thistle]

Wut? Hmmm

[sinful scarab]

True, 3 colors is not enough if you consider that crossing on bridges as touching

[strange blade]

Strange behaviour. In the point indicated by arrow, when track on the right side is still on construction, sometimes, a train get stuck ! Solved by reversing. After a while, get stuck again in the same spot. After the right line is completed and set-up, no stuck anymore....

[fleet orchid]

the answer is 4

https://youtu.be/RNaVlAfKrnA

[copper crypt]

But it isnt a map? Its a railroad, in a game

[fleet orchid]

and a map

[copper crypt]

Definition of a map?

[gentle cloak]

\> Whats the defenition of a map?

A map is a symbolic representation of an area, showing features such as physical features, roads, landmarks, and other points of interest. Maps are typically drawn to scale and may include symbols to represent different features.

[fleet orchid]

Definities van Oxford Languages · Meer informatie
map
/map/
Definities bekijken in:
all
astronomy
genetics
mathematics
noun
noun: map; plural noun: maps

1.
a diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc.
"a street map"
h
Vergelijkbaar:
plan

chart

a two-dimensional representation of the positions of stars or other astronomical objects.
"she went inside to check a star map"
a diagram or collection of data showing the spatial arrangement or distribution of something over an area.
"an electron density map"
h
Vergelijkbaar:
plan

    chart
    Genetics
    a representation of the sequence of genes on a chromosome or genome, or of bases in a DNA or RNA molecule.
    "a physical and genetic map of the entire human genome"
    Mathematics
    another term for mapping.
2.
dated•informal
a person's face.
"you ought to know my map by now"

verb
verb: map; 3rd person present: maps; past tense: mapped; past participle: mapped; gerund or present participle: mapping

represent (an area) on a map; make a map of.
"inaccessible parts will be mapped from the air"

[copper crypt]

Meer informatie?

[fleet orchid]

sorry hek niet jonguh

[copper crypt]

Kan gebeuren

[fleet orchid]

xD

lets go inglish again

[copper crypt]

Yeah

[copper crypt]

I got this.

[fleet orchid]

no even if its tracks or roads its still a map

[copper crypt]

I dont see a game or a railroed in there

But a game is not a map?

[fleet orchid]

and if you need to visualize it think of it like very long thin countries 😛

3 would do for now but to make it futureproof 4 is the answer

[copper crypt]

I think it should just be a random hex color

[fleet orchid]

i dont care either way im just here farming rankpoints 😄

[copper crypt]

With atleast x amount between the other ones

[copper crypt]

Bro wants the level, whats ur level?

[fleet orchid]

xD

[quick thistle]

lemme join in

[copper crypt]

Ofc u can joun ur the mod maker

[gilded fern]

i would like to see the lines be replaced with shapes

[copper crypt]

Is this a good idea for the rail color?

[copper crypt]

Maybe a option to do?

[quick thistle]

oh, whats your idea

[gilded fern]

i dunno i just made this up

[copper crypt]

Maybe shapes with a random color

[gilded fern]

😄

[copper crypt]

A line with every 2 teacks a shape, triangle, square etc.

[gilded fern]

well actually

changing to shapes might not solve the problem, but it might make it more obvious

[fleet orchid]

it will inprove for colorblind ppl 😛

[gilded fern]

or it will look very chaotic

[copper crypt]

I gtg but ill make a huge text about the ideas

[gilded fern]

https://puu.sh/JAfap/9409c19c5b.png maybe it can work 🤷

i dunno how difficult it would be to randomize this

[copper crypt]

There are also a limited amount of shapes you can use(no one will see the diffirence between a 7 corner thingy and a 8 corner thingy)

[gilded fern]

well ye but u shouldnt use symbols that look alike

keep it basic

[fleet orchid]

did i already mention the number 4?

[copper crypt]

Yeah but imagine: your playing a 512×512 map and you want 4 railways between each district for food, water and logs. But you have 9 districts?

[fleet orchid]

what does the stuf in the carts have to do with the track sections?

and why would you need 4 railways ^^

[copper crypt]

1 item per railway

[fleet orchid]

but y

[copper crypt]

U need multiple stations

[fleet orchid]

no you dont xD

[copper crypt]

Im pretty sure u do

[quick thistle]

@copper crypt can you be more clear in what you mean, bc it looks like you are just saying random things

[copper crypt]

Does it really look like that?

Wait let me write it in a doc and copy paste kt

It*

Every station can only have 1 product right? @quick thistle

[fleet orchid]

https://youtu.be/eNhETiqphgs?t=312

[quick thistle]

no xD

[fleet orchid]

nope

[copper crypt]

What

[fleet orchid]

click the link :p

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-idk-i-dont-know-confused-sorry-gif-16602406

[copper crypt]

Is that a new update?

[quick thistle]

i mean, is it that unclear?

[copper crypt]

No

I really thought 1 product for every station

[fleet orchid]

TBF!

i tought the same thing

[quick thistle]

bc, i thought it would suck if only 1 per station

[copper crypt]

Yeah makes sense

[strange blade]

3 working lines from 3 districts ...

[copper crypt]

But then ill need to rework my beaver train

[gilded fern]

i do am wondering if its really necessary to have so many sections though

[fleet orchid]

sections allows for more trains 🙂

[strange blade]

It must, if all trains go to one station , since is 17 trains ...

[copper crypt]

That changes it a bit

I would still like colors more

[gilded fern]

maybe that just means u have too many trains lol

[fleet orchid]

😮

you take that back anythin!

[strange blade]

Maybe, maybe not 😄

[gilded fern]

i just personally dont like to see my trains waiting somewhere random

in the middle of a tracks

[strange blade]

why to wait in the middle of the track ? Count, 17 waiting stations .

[gilded fern]

I mean, if for whatever reason a train is blocked

it will cause a giant backlog with all these trains following up because of the many sections

[strange blade]

See this : #1064952561687343235 message

[gilded fern]

basically, in a situation like that, the big amount of sections mask the fact that the road from A to B isn't actually free

[fleet orchid]

almost no trains are standing still here 🙂

[gilded fern]

but thats just my way of playing i suppose

[fleet orchid]

iv see this and i changed my y tracks to a t junction+a bendy 🙂

[copper crypt]

Section Shower

Color
Pro's
•A lot of options
•No zooming in to see what exactly
•Already implemented
Cons
•If your colorblind its bad
Shapes
Pro's
•Good for colorblind
•Easy to see up close
Cons
•Might be harder to see from far.

This is what i think about it

If u want anything changed or have more pros or cons dm or ping me(if you want me to put it in the list)

[quick thistle]

nono, thats very clear, definitly worth considering

adding different shapes does it make it plenty more complex.

[gilded fern]

indeed

its probably not worth it

because the underlying problem remains

[copper crypt]

There a re multiple shapes like ♤♡◇♧■□●○ u can double the amount with being fill and empty

[quick thistle]

unless i get multiple peole, but at max i think 3-4 thousand people use the mod, maybe even 2k (updates count poeple double) how many would be color blind?

not sure, maybe later

[quick thistle]

which one you mean?

[copper crypt]

Future proofing never is a bad thing

[gilded fern]

even if u use shapes, u will still have a possibility of having the same shapes next to one another

same colors - same shapes, same problem

[copper crypt]

Only if its too complicated its bad

Just make every dhape occupie 1 line

[quick thistle]

not necceserialy that hard, but i prefer working on passenger system or something cool like that, its a mod after all xD

[gilded fern]

yeh

[copper crypt]

Gtg will be back in a hour

I got a small idea

[strange blade]

Maybe a dotted line, with different variants ?

[copper crypt]

Just(if possible) make a script that if a shape gets chosen get the prefix Chosen to 1. If trying to look for new shape search for Chosen 0. If no shape has Chosen 0 say: You got too much rails maybe you should start a railway company.

[clever nest]

Being able to see colours is not necessary to see where the sections are.

[clever nest]

I'd rather have those arrows show the one way directions.

[quick thistle]

Thinking about it, this is reasonably easy change

[quick thistle]

Because it is essentially just changing these 2 sides

[delicate sierra]

Hi, that is well known aged math knowledge. It works for areas on a plane. It does not work with enclaves, or bridges.

[fleet orchid]

Wut? 🤣

This whole game is a plane

Even bridges r planes

[quick thistle]

Yea, but i still believe the problem to be that it is n + 1

[quick thistle]

As suggested here

[delicate sierra]

All the standard coloring rules only work without bridges. With a bridge, you may add additional connections which could not be there when you're restricted to a single level.

Also, AFAICs, the "edge coloring" rules don't strictly apply in our case - that would only work when the track switches would be the "nodes" of the graph. However, in our cases, the one-way tracks are the nodes.

[copper crypt]

How does the "random" (idk if its random) color system work now?

[quick thistle]

Color = new Color32((byte)(Random.value * 255), (byte)(Random.value * 255), (byte)(Random.value * 255), 255);

[delicate sierra]

For example, we need 3 colors for the outside rectangle. Any of the three colors touches both of the others. So we definitel need those three.
Now add the track in the middle. It touches all 3 colors, so we need a 4th color.

[copper crypt]

And you get a hex code i assume?

[copper crypt]

Would it be possible to add shapes and check if that combination has already been chose?

[delicate sierra]

When leaving the plane by using bridges, you can create a connection between any two sections, thus (in the extreme cases) you will need as many colors as you have sections. Of course, in practice, rail networks are not built like that (and special cases like the waiting station cannot have direct connections in the middle).

[copper crypt]

Color and shape combination

[fleet orchid]

cant agree sorry 🙂 show me

[delicate sierra]

Give me a few secs, I need to rebuild to make space for the bridges.

We still have the square needing 3 colors (1,2,3), and the "inner" connection 4 touching all 3 square colors. Now, with the bridge, we can add section 5, which touches all 4 other sections. Given more space, you could add even more.

[fleet orchid]

fair point

gg you win

[delicate sierra]

Neither the standard map coloring nor edge coloring rules apply in our case, as we can have arbitrary connections using the bridges (and for the edge coloring, our model of nodes does not match the one for the rule).

. o O ( sometimes, I wish I was wrong... )

[fleet orchid]

you are 100%

now anser me this

answer 😮

why would you make this in this mod 🙂

because section4 has no business bieng there 🙂

or as you have used the 1 way to make this happen a 1 way in section 5 with would make this usable will solve the problem 😄

[delicate sierra]

Yes, most networks in practice look differently.

But on the other hand, Tobbert should not waste time trying to implement an algorithm which will break (or even crash the game) in case someone gets creative.

[cobalt jolt]

@quick thistle You have created a MONSTER

[fleet orchid]

true

[delicate sierra]

The current random algorithm is a good start, I can work with it, as we have the little circles clearly showing the sections. As it is a game mod, we have several constraints:

1. Speed - the solution must be fast, we can neither use expensive algorithms, nor quantom computers to find an optimal solution. And complexity in graph algorithms tends to scale hyperlinear to the number of nodes/edges.
2. Simpliness - the algorithm must be simple enough so that the developer still understands it.
3. Development time - There are lots of features (like passenger transport, or construction train, or tunnels, or different capacities) which are far more important and have higher priority. And, TBH, even his real life should have higher priority. 🙂
   So any algorithm which is fast and usually good enough, but may produce suboptimal solutions sometimes, will be ok.

[quick thistle]

You make some very good points. I could probably think of something, but as i said before, prefer some other things that i think are more fun xD

[strange blade]

What will be fun will be a first eye view mod, mainly for trains ...

[quick thistle]

someone created that right?

[strange blade]

??

Like view from loco thru driver eyes ? I don't think so ...

[clever nest]

How about a simpler solution? When assigning a colour to a section compare the hue of the random color with the hue of the adjoining sections (if they've been coloured already). If it's too close (make sure you wrap around) then randomly pick another colour. You only need the Hue part of the RGB to HSV calc.

Or even better, randomly generate a hue. Do the comparison and "re-roll" if necessary. Then randomly generate S and V restricting their range to the top 50% to keep the colour from being too black or too white. Then HSV to RGB and done.

No complicated and run-time expensive graph algorithm necessary.

[silver egret]

Better coloring would improve this mod so much

[raven elm]

not sure if its been mentioned but I'd love a way to delineate specific routes and distribution limits like the distribution center and drop off point currently do for each goods station.

the system gets a little chaotic with 3+ districts and multiple exporters/importers of the same type of goods

[jaunty halo]

Watching RCE using the train mod was painful

[sinful scarab]

I apologize for unleashing a math monster 🙂

[sinful scarab]

though, for one more level of doing the monster math, some degree of colorblindness is about 1 in 12 for males, 1 in 200 for females (it's X chromosome linked, and they get a backup copy) So if you have ~4k users and no gender bias, probably ~175 of them have some degree of colorblindness. Which doesn't mean it needs take priority over fun, but it's a lot more common than most realize (I was certainly shocked when I released an internal tool to our ~50 person department had had 3 people approach me about places I had used color in the UI in ways they simply couldn't see.

[clever nest]

I agree that if colour is the only way to tell things apart then an alternate means should be given. But, as you can already tell sections apart without colour there's no need to visually clutter the rails with symbols.

[sinful scarab]

yeah

[sturdy pilot]

are trains broken? mine wont leave the yard 😦

[quick thistle]

Oh, they should be working, i was very excited to see them working, i didnt see anything in the video that would prevent them to

did you change anything?

[sturdy pilot]

I've got two goods stations set up to receive and send goods- each has over 20 of each item

one end of bridge (bridge is two-way)

[quick thistle]

this is probably the reason why

it has to do with a bug, that i havent figured out how to solve yet

[sturdy pilot]

the yard needs a loop? even though I put a one way at the front of it?

[quick thistle]

i wanna add repairing in the future, which will require the loop to be there, but no time yet

or coal usage or something

@strange blade was that your suggestion aswel?

so sorry for the inconvience

[sturdy pilot]

nope

[quick thistle]

sorry, and remove the 1 way track that leads there

replace by a normal one

[sturdy pilot]

yay!

thank you haha

[quick thistle]

sorry,

np i love the video

[strange blade]

You need to activate the one way(check box) in straight track

[quick thistle]

I believe he hasnt updated it, i believe, so that bug is still present

[sturdy pilot]

I thought I updated every mod this morning- maybe not

[strange blade]

And, Tobbert, what suggestion ?

[quick thistle]

oooh, i didnt know you did... then it sstill is bugged, have to look again

I wanted to tell you im feeling so honoured, like really thank you so much, im all shaking right now talking to you 🙈

[strange blade]

What bug ? Is working, look : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDRJ7YuezQ

[quick thistle]

you were also typing, so i thought you had a suggestion regarding the problem

the bug is that there is a one way between the train yard and the system

because its trying to look for places that it can go to and get back to

OOOOOOH

i think i thought of the reason of the bug

im stooopid

gonna look for tonight

[sturdy pilot]

btw if you're still here

do you know whether mods have stopped the ctrl + H from hiding the ui/hud?

it doesnt seem to work for me, I assume one of my mods disabled it perhaps?

(or I forgot the correct command)

[quick thistle]

Someone mentioned it before, I'm not sure which mod causes it though 😦

[sturdy pilot]

okay I'll go through- I suspect camera tweaker

thank you

[copper crypt]

I love rces video

Video's*

[quick thistle]

Im extremely hyped for the next one, because as you can see, he is gonna make them move

[copper crypt]

I stopped watching timberborn bcs it got boring but now i see he has mods

[quick thistle]

There is so much content, so I only watch modded content en also skip parts that don't have my mods or any mods at all. This way I can keep up with most news regarding modding on Timberborn.

If there is something going on, then im most likely aware of it

except Water beaver overhaul, thats a beast i cannot tame

[quick thistle]

@fallow charm I saw you typing, but the problem is solved?

[fallow charm]

Oh sorry forgot I was typing hahah. Not necessarily a problem (I think?) but my network has gotten so large that any time I complete a new track piece my game freezes for a few seconds, is that just the game figuring out pathfinding and stuff??

[quick thistle]

yes, it does it on every track build

oke, ty for that feedback, i hoped i had optimised that enough

but i will have to revisited it to optimise it some more

[fallow charm]

Yeah I figured hahaha, was thinking maybe you could split it up in some way?? It happens when I'm building completely new sections that are not connected to my main network yet and also do not have trains on them yet

[quick thistle]

It ensures that the pathfinding at any other time is very fast

Yes, what you say is totally fair, i will see what i can do

[fallow charm]

Great!! Really love playing with the mod, so many thanks!! Brought a new life into the game for me

[quick thistle]

Btw, i just looked at this, and i finally found the problem, another typo

wrong overload of a function

[gilded fern]

are u talking to urself there?

[quick thistle]

Yes, sharing what was the problem

Has been a long day

[delicate sierra]

I just found a small, negative side effect of using trains: As they transport the goods in larger batches (and sometimes even multiple trains ship the same goods at once), the productivity statistics of the buildings are not as reliable - the producing buildings work in bursts with 100% productivity (to fill up the storage), and then have idle times (till the trains start again), instead of a more smooth work distribution when beavers transport the material.

[raven elm]

I feel like I'm doing something basic wrong with this mod that keeps causing it to crash. I finally did a fresh install of the game and re-downloaded updated versions of everything today (thought it was the mod manager so I manually installed everything). It seems to randomly crash when placing waiting stations, particularly when they are not connected to existing tracks. The error message is always the same for me

[quick thistle]

Honestly no clue

[copper crypt]

maybe from before the update?

when did you download the mod?

[raven elm]

30 min ago

[copper crypt]

when does the gam crash?

[raven elm]

as soon as as the waiting station is placed

I had it working yesterday with the modio manager for a while and then it happened again 5 hours in lol

Thanks for the quick reply, just wanted to make sure it isn't a common issue that I'm just ignorant of

[quick thistle]

you are for sure the first one, because that error messsage is also not helping

im very intrigued by that error, im a bit busy, so will look at it tomorrow

[raven elm]

no worries, totally was not expecting you to. Ill keep trying stuff out and see what happens, thanks!

[winged hull]

this is the code that raises the error

I like the use of $" for interpolation in the string and then the + "there should be " +

[delicate sierra]

Are you using several mods? Or only Choo Choo?

[raven elm]

It happened with just choo choo installed but that particular instance I also have categorybutton and path extensions active. You can see versions in the text file

And of course timber api and bepinex

[copper crypt]

did you try to reinstall choo! choo!?

[raven elm]

Only 5 times

[copper crypt]

oh

[raven elm]

Once it’s deleted from the plug-in folder it’s gone from the game right? Or do I have to uninstall and reinstall the game every time

[copper crypt]

idk exactly how that works but i think the most effective thing is the uninstzll it from plugin folder launch game and start a new settelment(so u dont crash or corrupt ur save)

[strange blade]

In case of problems, the safest way is to manually delete the folder with the mod from plugin folder, and, then, download- the mod again with ModManager !

[raven elm]

Wrong place for this I know but what does mod manager do, no offense just genuinely curious how it works or why it would cause fewer cross compatibility issues

It just seems safer to do it manually to me than add more mods

[strange blade]

Mod manager allow to download and install mods from ModIO, and, also, in case of maps, it place-them in the correct folder when downloaded.

[tall bridge]

It has support to download any dependencis mods for the mod your downloading 😎

[raven elm]

Alright I’ll try it again, like I said it worked for a long while yesterday while I was using the modmanager, I was just trying to eliminate all possibilities of mods fighting each other

[silver egret]

There is no way to prevent that except from manually looking if the mods don't work toghether

[stark moon]

hey how comes my train isnt moving?

i have it set also

and i have the good stations as well

[quick thistle]

can you show a screen?

[stark moon]

i might

there

@quick thistle

[tall bridge]

You have one as reciving and one as sending?

[stark moon]

yup

and my game just crashed

so im guessing there is a mod thats messing with it

the waiting station is crashing my game

it looks like i cant use trains

although i really want to

[quick thistle]

owo second one with that problem?

[stark moon]

yup

[quick thistle]

can you go to documents -> timberborn -> crashes?

and can you send the corresponding error report?

[stark moon]

hmmm

im looking for the crash thing

[strange blade]

Hope that you don't try to use drag method (like for path) to place multiple ones ...

[stark moon]

nope

holdup

im going to try somethin

[raven elm]

I just installed it fresh with mod manager this time and same thing after placing the third waiting station

[raven elm]

is this the correct file?

[quick thistle]

no, the whole folder please

[quick thistle]

yesss, thank you

[raven elm]

Anything to help, blown away by the time and effort yall dedicate to this

love it

[quick thistle]

@strange blade you are correct. @raven elm and @stark moon you guys are dragging

[quick thistle]

its my bad you can do it in the first place, but that is why its crashing

[stark moon]

this is the best i can send you

[quick thistle]

todor, the bug catcher

[stark moon]

it was the report for when it crashed

[strange blade]

Well, too sensitive mouse = dragging ....

[stark moon]

ya

[raven elm]

thatll do it, wow, so simple

thanks

[stark moon]

yup

that was really simple

hey guys which side does the train go into for the waiting staions

the side wth the sign or?

[quick thistle]

Its indicated by the green and red sign

[strange blade]

One side of the sign is green, other, red, so ....

[stark moon]

i dont understand my train wont move

[quick thistle]

yes, that is wierd, if you can send the safe, then i can look tomorrow

[stark moon]

uhhhh

i dont have nitro

so i dont think so

and i use steam cloud

[quick thistle]

saves are very small

[stark moon]

i can try and find it

@quick thistle here

wait

wron one i believe

this one is it

and you might freak out when you see my load

nvm

i got it

hey can you not have two trains on the same rought?

cause when i make another one it wont move

[raven elm]

One train per color, add colors by inserting one way signals

[quick thistle]

You divide sections. Click on some straight track and click the toggle

[stark moon]

ok

[quick thistle]

@stark moon and @raven elm i pushed an update where you cannot drag anymore. Should prevent that issue from comming up again

[stark moon]

ok

[stark moon]

hey can they go under water?

[quick thistle]

yup 🙂

[stark moon]

k

[regal matrix]

Underwater trains, you say?
This changes everything

[quick thistle]

havent made any systems that would take water into account. Not sure how it would work even, because disableing the train doesnt seem fun.

[sinful scarab]

Time for somebody to model up a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

[uncut socket]

Hi, I have an issue I can't fix with the ChooChoo mod. I have beavers delivering scrap metal to a Goods Station where a train is sat waiting and scrap disappears from the station but it doesn't appear in the train wagon. Every pile of 20 scrap disappears from the station but still the wagon doesn't fill up.

It's a single track with 1 train and a single coloured line going along the tracks from start to finish (no break points)

I have 2 good stations on the track, 1 set to send and the other receive - both scrap metal.

[quick thistle]

this could mean it cannot pathfind towards its goal for some reason, could you provide a screen?

[uncut socket]

Ok

[quick thistle]

have you turned of the game since placing and building it?

[uncut socket]

No

Should I restart?

[quick thistle]

could you try that for a sec

[uncut socket]

Ok

[quick thistle]

yes please

i hope it works, i believe some other people also mentioned this a while ago, but this would make it way way easier to find the problem

[uncut socket]

That fixed it! It's sending and receiving perfectly now. Thanks!

[quick thistle]

oke, means i have some work to do, thank you for sharing

[uncut socket]

Thank you for the mod, I love it now!

[quick thistle]

have fun with the mod

OMG

WHAT A STUPID MISTAKE

@uncut socket thank you very much for telling me, because this mistake is so funny to me (in my code to be clear)

[uncut socket]

[copper crypt]

what was the mistake?

[quick thistle]

I was calling something to late

so the indexing happened before a station was created

therefore it wasnt indexed

[copper crypt]

oh

[raven elm]

just got district 5 up attached to the network and still running like butter at nearly 400 beavers. Such a fun build, I could watch these trains all day long, thanks again Tobbert

[quick thistle]

I love this you know, seeing images like this

[delicate sierra]

I don't know how, but somehow one of my trains gets stuck at one of the stations, seemingly standing in the wrong direction. Materials then just disappear, it seems, and the train is stuck until I delete it. As far as I can see, this only happens at times when new tracks are built anywhere else.

The problem of the disappearing materials is even worse than the train getting stuck itself, as the haulers refill the cargo station, where the materials just disappear again, thus draining all my stored ressources.

[delicate sierra]

It might be a race condition when the network is recalculated after adding a new track.

[strange blade]

i confirm the issue, except with the goods. I switch direction of the stuck train, and, is working !

[delicate sierra]

Ah, switching direction. I could try that next time. 🙂

It always happened at the same station, interestingly. I now reworked the network so the train can also leave the other direction, by adding some redundant tracks.

Let's see whether it will happen again.

[regal matrix]

Yeah that happened to me when the mod updated recently but it all fixed as soon as I reversed the trains and double checked the direction of travel of the one way tracks

[strange blade]

It seems when add a new track, even a train with job (at least one), got a recompute in route, and this cause route "confusion" and lost of goods.

Weird is that seems to happened at the same spot, the first placed intersection 😮

[delicate sierra]

Yes, for me, it also always happened the same spot.

[quick thistle]

regarding what you say in this mesage (#📷screenshots message) Do you mean waiting stations by any chance?

@tranquil hare

[tranquil hare]

i have a lot of waiting stations. and one "line" with three goods/dropoff stations

i'm using a lot of one-way signs. and waiting stations to enable 'buffering?" of the trains

[quick thistle]

i mean, what made you crash?

[tranquil hare]

ohhh sorry

deleting tracks part of a line

its not currently happening. but it happed a few times the other day

[quick thistle]

oh really

hmmm

[tranquil hare]

sometimes i would would lad the game out for a few minutes

[quick thistle]

ty for telling me

[tranquil hare]

note: currently its acting fine

[cobalt jolt]

maybe you have the crash report

[tranquil hare]

i have a bunch of other mods, and as you can tell my build is pretty large

just tested again, and no issues with deleting a track

[jaunty halo]

Was there a new update of the mod with grade crossings?

I thought that was still in development

[strange blade]

It was in development 🥳

[novel turtle]

I was starting to design the train lay-out in my newest save and thought if would be pretty nice to have an S-shape
(Like the R-shape basically but without it also keep going straight)

[regal matrix]

This looks fantastic! Is that a side platform in the left part of the frame going over the aquatic farmhouse?

[cobalt jolt]

ty, yes it is a platform.

now expanding to the rest of the map.

[quick thistle]

Adding new tracks is time consuming, maybe 1 track per evening, but i havent had time this week

[cobalt jolt]

these are the platforms i use.

[cobalt jolt]

one a week is plenty lol we re all patient and well behaved lol.

Either that one with bridges if its straight or these other ones if theres curves or slopes.

[cobalt jolt]

@quick thistle what do you think about being able to change the names in the good stations? if theres more than one (good stations) in one district thatll be easier to know or to mark which one is delivering what or to which other district.

[lapis coyote]

anyone know why my train on the right won't move? The whole traintrack is free on his side

worked perfectly fine befor but for some reason not anymore

[silver egret]

Its not? There is a train at yhe flags

[quick thistle]

The purple section is occupied

[lapis coyote]

alright thanks, missed that, need to make the line in both directions there too,if i add a new separation, only trains from the other direction will move and block the train

keep up the good work @quick thistle, i love your mod

[quick thistle]

Yes, if you want a single track, then both sides need number of trains + 1 sections

[lapis coyote]

for the moment, your feature to just select a track to make it one-way saved me

[clever nest]

The six trains on the left are deadlocked.

Until that’s cleared none of the trains on the right can advance. Put more one way flags to split up those branches at the left.

[lapis coyote]

fixed it now with a second track

logs can flow now

[quick thistle]

Maybe i can make a more advanced Section service that can make it so trains know more about the sections that are ahead of him. For example how many are connected in a certain direction. Not sure how much load that would create

[strange blade]

@quick thistle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGqBluogqVg

[quick thistle]

[strange blade]

and the download count rise again 😮

[cobalt jolt]

I just recently started really playing with the train and not an expert, i know theres something im not doing right but cant figure it out.... any good soul here to take me out of my ignorance please... i built the whole track (1 way) the first train goes around smooth delivering and receiving goods from at least 3 different districts, the problem start when i want to add a 2nd train to the track, the train gets built but wont leave the train yard ever...

[strange blade]

You need to add one way signs (act as track separators), sine in a section of tracks can be only one train !

[cobalt jolt]

ok ty but inside the train mod menu i dont really see a 1 way sign anywhere ... this is all i have there

[winged hull]

click on a built track

[quick thistle]

dont use the cursor thing btw

turn off the mode

[cobalt jolt]

duuuuh me .... got it thanks, how often do i need the signs?

or where are they really needed?

[strange blade]

you must click on a already built straight section and activate (checkbox) the one way ! You can also can switch direction

[winged hull]

you can have 1 train per section

if a train is in a section another train cannot enter it

[cobalt jolt]

so... just to get it right... if i wanted at least 2 trains i need at least 1 sign through out the whole track.

[strange blade]

How many section ? Look : https://youtu.be/KzDRJ7YuezQ

[winged hull]

you need at least 2 section

[quick thistle]

number of seections = number of trains + 1

[cobalt jolt]

ok so section = districts then? i have 4 total districts through the track

[winged hull]

to create 2 sections in a loop you need 2 signals

no

when you click a track each color is a section

[cobalt jolt]

ok i will watch the video not to clog the chat here if i have any further question (hope not) i will ask and thanks for the help.

the whole track is only 1 color but the track is huuuge it goes across the whole map

[winged hull]

then its only 1 section and only 1 train can enter it

[cobalt jolt]

ok fair enough ty a lot.

[jaunty halo]

Love the changes to the signaling system btw

Makes track building so much easier

[cobalt jolt]

@strange blade That is really cool, thanks for the vids, now ill have to do the proper settings with the tracks.

[strange blade]

Well, if will help you , glad that I make that video . 👍

[gilded fern]

@quick thistle how do I import your buildings into unity?

from choo choo

[quick thistle]

what you mean, just copy the repo and just throw it in

[gilded fern]

I have no idea what you just said

[quick thistle]

aaah, go to this page: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornModsUnity

that is the repository, repo for short

download that

then you place it in your unity project

do you still have that?

[gilded fern]

ah ok i see the prefabs

ye I reinstalled it

[quick thistle]

what you wanna do, if i may ask?

[gilded fern]

i felt useless asking so many things from everyone

i still want those decorative trees

now im gonna see if I can play around wih your buildings

https://puu.sh/JAHdw/1c6136415d.png https://puu.sh/JAHdE/8f733a8bfb.png im missing some assets, did I open it correctly?

[quick thistle]

not sure why they didnt load

[gilded fern]

i think i forgot to copy the assets from the ripper

yee nvm its not working

[quick thistle]

what happened is that the files have different id's

what makes it so they dont load

the refrence to the file is wrong

[gilded fern]

how can I fix that?

or can I not

[quick thistle]

im not sure actually

@tall bridge did you hve problems with models not showing?

[gilded fern]

the vanilla buildings wont even load either, so it might just imported the file incorrectly or something

[tall bridge]

Have not checked choo choo but your other mods usualy work great.

Feels like its missing reference to mesh

[gilded fern]

i just downloaded and opened his entire github

all the mods are in the assets

i think I will just go back to the Minimalmod and start from there, that worked for me

thnx anyways

[cobalt jolt]

Thanks a lot to @strange blade @winged hull and @quick thistle for explaining earlier, now its running with multiple trains at once 👌

[quick thistle]

Why didnt it make sense? What was unclear?

So i can improve

[raven elm]

I know this isn’t particularly related to this issue, or, is any way your problem, but as someone completely new to discord and not having the app installed on my computer/phone was definitely confusing. Every link in my chrome browser said the invite was invalid/expired. So after seeing your mod on mod.io and the link that didn’t work was frustrating. I’ve worked with slack before but discord still has its nuances

[cobalt jolt]

I normally watch a couple videos every time I start using a new mod but in the ones i saw no one talked about the placing of the one way signals, once i knew how to place them it went smooth so TBH its not your fault at all but mine by not knowing how to properly, thanks as always.

[cobalt jolt]

did you finally get mod manager to work?

[raven elm]

Yup! It’s working flawlessly, thanks!

[strange blade]

Think it should must be specified in mod description that the scope of one way track divider is to act like signal in real life, to have only one train in a section !

[cobalt jolt]

That could help also

[quick thistle]

Oooh, i forgot to add unexperired

Will try to remeber to fix, how stupid

[quick thistle]

Its changed since recently

[cobalt jolt]

maybe, used to other mods i was desperately looking for the one way signal inside the mod menu next to the goods station and all other buttons

i even thought i didnt have the up to date version installed.

well, i think its a great mod, its like a new whole game inside the game... highest respect for all your work.

[native vortex]

Is anyone else getting an error message related to choo choo?

[rich rapids]

Why my trains stop in the 1 way rail_

?

[winged hull]

probably there is another train in the next section

[rich rapids]

So 1 way rail "cut" the section?

[winged hull]

only 1 train can be inside a color

[rich rapids]

Oooooh

[winged hull]

yes

[rich rapids]

So i need to split the road basically to my needs

Uhmm

Any tricks for the train go to 2 stations instead of 1

[winged hull]

no, for now its only point to point

when it delivers it will find the next job, and if there is none it goes to a waiting station

or I misunderstood what you mean

[rich rapids]

i have 2 stations going to 2 aswell

but all the trains only use 1

i have like 3-4 trains

i have a lot of parking in bod roads

but nvm i will fix the issue now i know the cut road thing

[winged hull]

if it is not sending to a station there must be a problem with your path

a wrong 1 way probably or the train cant get around after delivering

can you show a print of the problem?

[rich rapids]

sure but i will take some time for some ss, it crash when i was playing the the pathfinding xD

But ye probably that is the issue

[winged hull]

if it crashes you can share the error log here

in the error screen it shows the log location

its a .zip file

[rich rapids]

I cant find the file

This is the sending station

the trains always go to the left station

[winged hull]

oh, you have 2 stations in the same district, I dont know how this works

[rich rapids]

Maybe it doesnt

Uhmm

[reef valve]

Train

[rich rapids]

Update: so i cut the road several times and works perfectly

No more long waiting

[winged hull]

nice

[delicate sierra]

In my personal experience, as long as one does not import the goods the other exports, it should work fine.

[safe valley]

So I found some odd behavior and wanted to check if it's something that's already been filed as a bug or something. I have 5 goods stations, a whole run of side-by-side tracks (think like a road, directional), waiting stations dotted along the line and near/between stations, I've got everything sectioned off with signals so traffic is flowing nicely, that's all well and good. The problem is when a station gets to 180/200 of an imported item, all 5 trains (1:1 with stations) I have on the track go to one of the stations that is exporting the material, pick up the minimum load of 20, and then proceed to deliver it to the requesting importing station. Is this to be expected? Should I cut out trains? I'm firing up the game to get a screenshot of the tracks.

While I'm not complaining about the over-delivery to the importing station, it just means that if another station on the network makes a request for materials and all 5 trains are already busy, it delays the response. Is this expected behavior or is there something I can adjust or change to fix the behavior?

This is the "core" of the train network, the lines leading out of the top go to the 5th district.

This additionally gets worse if a station runs down to say 150/200 of that item before the trains all finish their first run, then they each queue up 50 items each from the exporting stations and dump that on the importing station, now pushing it to 300/200 (I do see that the station actually makes it 300/300 so it's not completely bugging out).

[winged hull]

@safe valley yes, the over delivery is a known "feature" of how the distribution is calculated

to minimize the problem I run the minimum amount of trains needed

[safe valley]

What's the ratio if not 1:1 with stations?

1:2, 1:3?

[gilded fern]

if you want a more reliable delivery speed, consider building additional tracks parallel but disconnected to your main track, and divide your goods stations across both tracks. each track will have less goods stations to take care of

[quick thistle]

Currently i made the overflow possible because it was the easiest solution. I do wanna make a fix where they cannot deliver more than the max (as it should be, but you know, i suck ), but i havent gotten around to that yet. Because as i understand, that would fix your issue right? Because they wouldnt have made the request and wouldnt start it, so they would look to fill something else.

[modern matrix]

What I found helps fix this problem is changing the minimum load on all the trains to like 20, 40 , 60 ect so they auto stagger.

[rich rapids]

When i have overflow i just cancel the sending/receiving thing, the items just stay in the station

[winged hull]

to fix it you are going to need trains to mark storage as occupied before being delivered, but need to handle the train being evaporated mid journey to release the storage again

[safe valley]

This is the way

[safe valley]

How is this done in the meantime?

[quick thistle]

Click on a train, then change the number

[safe valley]

What language is the mod written in? Is there anywhere the code is posted that I may attempt to contribute a patch if I figure out the code?

[winged hull]

c#, there is link in the mod io page

[safe valley]

Oh, oh gawd... My arch enemy

[quick thistle]

if you can understand it that is xD

[safe valley]

I understand it

I hate it

[quick thistle]

oh, i mean the code ive written

[safe valley]

Can't be much worse than the crap I've written

Literally my code examples (portfolio) lose me interviews lol

I don't have much and it's scattered across multiple languages

[quick thistle]

im not even a deleper

developer

[safe valley]

And none of it is "clean"

Well you've done a fantastic job so far for not being a developer

[quick thistle]

my friends are always laughing at my code

[safe valley]

I use many of your mods

Oof

[quick thistle]

ty, makes me happy

[safe valley]

Well your friends aren't published successful modders are they?

[quick thistle]

he is, he made TimberAPI

[quick thistle]

though even more honored that you said that

[safe valley]

Maybe a promise system for the trains?

[quick thistle]

what do you mean?

[safe valley]

If I understand how the mechanism works by the behavior, the trains are looking for jobs all the time

[quick thistle]

yea, correct

[safe valley]

This is why all the trains react when there's enough for them take based on their configured minimum load value

Rather, have the station announce to trains when it crosses a single global value like 20 items a promise, and have a train call back and fulfill that promise

Once the promise is fulfilled, wait for the train to arrive in the station and clear the promise as fulfilled

Keep checking the status of the station and issuing more promises every time it loses another count of the items using modulus to figure out how many promises it needs

If a train is deleted before arrival for some reason, the promise it was holding and fulfilling is reopened

Rinse repeat

Also trains need a bit more to make them, balanced?

Like wood and water consumption

That can be worked out later

[quick thistle]

lots of things on the todo list and no time todo it i dont completely undestand the promise. though the current system works exactly like the beavers.

[safe valley]

Except it doesn't exactly

Beavers don't overfill target inventory or grab resources they don't need to move

[quick thistle]

thats because i forgot a function to call

[safe valley]

Lol

[quick thistle]

looked at it this afternonn, should be fixed

[safe valley]

So it should now only be 1 train?

[quick thistle]

it shouldnt overfill.

[safe valley]

Give me a minute

I'll fire up and test that, just woke up

I slept way in

[quick thistle]

nono

wait

i didnt upload, had to test more

[safe valley]

Make me guinea pig?

I'll test it

[quick thistle]

im in bed now

[safe valley]

Damn

[quick thistle]

about to sleep 😦

european u know xD

[safe valley]

The majority of you modders appear to be

[quick thistle]

if you have a envoirment up and running, you can try ut

[safe valley]

Environment? IDE?

I have no c# IDE

[quick thistle]

oh, i thought you had a working envoirment already, mb

[safe valley]

I tried that language years ago and sucked hard at MVC

So I gave up

[quick thistle]

its the most fun language untill now

better than javascript and python

[safe valley]

Ehhh, I can pull some crazy shit off in node

[quick thistle]

but yea, sadly very busy lately, no time to mod or to tired.

[safe valley]

Fur enough

(yes that was on punpose)

[quick thistle]

nice

have a nice day atealst, ima

[safe valley]

Have a sleep sir/madam/apache attack helicopter

[delicate sierra]

Timberborn itself uses the Unity Framework, which is "scripted" by game developers in C#.

[delicate sierra]

Microsoft still tries to push its own MVVM model instead of MVC. But somehow, I managed to write c# for 14 years now, in a dozen different projects, and never used one nor the other. A specific UI Framework doesn't define the language. 🤗

[safe valley]

Wow, I'm touched that you'd take such offense and try to change my personal opinion on a single language.

Won't change the fact that I suck at C# and have no desire to learn it right now.

Thanks anyways. Tunes out and mutes thread

[delicate sierra]

The timberborn devs are in Europe. Poland, IIRC. 🇵🇱 🇪🇺 🇺🇳

[delicate sierra]

That's my main excuse for not trying to contribute with patches. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[delicate sierra]

Sorry, it was more curiosity than offense. (And gone)

[regal matrix]

Question for Tobbert or anyone else who might know: I've noticed that sometimes my trains will randomly be in the goods station reversed going the wrong way. I have all of my train lines in my map set up to be complete counterclockwise loops so they shouldn't be able to reverse like that

[quick thistle]

i know

[regal matrix]

Do we know what might be causing that? I don't think it's possible for them to find some weird routing that enables them to reverse

Oh boy

[quick thistle]

i thought it wouldnt happen

[regal matrix]

I did find that one of my loops was set up so that they could enter the first station backwards, but I was always able to fix that by manually reversing that train and then from then on it worked fine

[quick thistle]

has to do with some other things that i have to improve

[regal matrix]

Gotcha

So long as you're aware, and that it's a thing that can be fixed

I'm able to get them to reverse manually but I do have to keep an eye on them to make sure they haven't been sneaky on me before I have a huge supply crisis 🤣

[quick thistle]

that was probably when you were building tracks, correct?

[regal matrix]

The persistent issue now is occurring on completed lines

[quick thistle]

oh

[regal matrix]

And sometimes it happens on map load

Other times it seems to happen during play

[quick thistle]

but when you place tracks anywhere?

If a track is placed, ALL tracks are updated, so thats why im asking

that is what i have to improve

[regal matrix]

Oh, that makes sense

I honestly don't remember if I've updated any pieces in the older loops recently

I'll be building a completely new loop tonight when I go to make tomorrow's video so I can be on the lookout for anything weird

[quick thistle]

aaah, tahts fine then, i think thats the cause of the issue

[regal matrix]

Do you think it could also have something to do with changing existing track pieces to one-way pieces as well?

[quick thistle]

I also like the kingdrom video's, also bought that game like 2 years ago, has improved tons xD

[regal matrix]

Most of the loops haven't had any new construction but I have put in "blocks" on a few of them

[quick thistle]

this also triggers a complete update

[regal matrix]

It's a great game! I just need to get better at resource management 🤣

[regal matrix]

I bet that's the issue then

[quick thistle]

then thank you for the notification

[regal matrix]

You are most welcome!

[delicate sierra]

For me, it always happened while building tracks somewhere, but it happened always at the same station, so I just built a "short circuit" track which the train can use to reverse its direction. Since then, I did not notice that problem any more. 🙂

[strange blade]

By chance, that station it isn't the first one you have build ?

[safe valley]

I found when trains are misbehaving, especially after a network change (new rails, stations added) it helps to purge the network of all trains and rebuild them. For some reason they seem to think the old network layout is still valid. Try deleting that "short circuit" and then purge all trains from the line and rebuild them, see if that fixes it.

[delicate sierra]

It is, although I'm not sure whether I rebuilt it in the meantime, or not. 🙂

[delicate sierra]

Here's the "train turns around and gets stuck" problem prominently featured on youtube by @regal matrix , with almost 1300 views so far 🥴
https://youtu.be/VVInnyR11LE?t=2822

This is definitely not the first station he built, but it might be the first in this specific rail network (anyone with enough time can go back and review the previous episodes to find out...)

And starting with this timestamp one can also see the disappearing resources - the beavers deliver water to the station, which just seems to disappear. 🚂
https://youtu.be/VVInnyR11LE?t=2896

@regal matrix Thanks for making that video, as I promised reproduction of the problem and could not reproduce it in my local setup (and not enough time to play a lot), and now I've clear evidence on video, provided by a independent 3rd party. 😇

[quick thistle]

In this casez you can see the one way is incorrect or the train got turned around

[delicate sierra]

As the trains already used to work on that network, I'm confident that the train got turned around. (Again, going back in the video or previous episodes could definitely answer that question.)
Not sure about what triggered it, most probably finishing the tracks on the steel bridge in the other network.

. o O ( just a pity that @regal matrix doesn't realize that either turning the train or the one-way signs should resolve the issue... 😦 )

[quick thistle]

I think yhe mod should do a better job at informing the player, but i havent had any ideas

Though that issue is also jsut a bug ehich should be fixed

[delicate sierra]

Hmm. Maybe the train could auto-turn on segments which have a clear one-way situation? (Just as a workaround/mitigation till the underlying problem is fixed?)
And the other problem is why the water disappears. Maybe it should go back to the station when the train notices it cannot fulfil the transport?

[strange blade]

But, from what I see, both stations are in the same district, so, haulers move water from receiving to sending station !

[delicate sierra]

No, they're not in the same district.

[quick thistle]

The water dissapearing i know why

[delicate sierra]

@strange blade There's the district border.

[quick thistle]

On trackupdate checks what things are connected only from 1 exit -> train can pathfind to it via the one way -> cannot leave bc other direction it cannot leave -> if cannot pathfind it will delete current possed items and try again

[delicate sierra]

Here he solved it: https://youtu.be/VVInnyR11LE?t=3349

[delicate sierra]

Ah, I see. So the idea is that it tries to find a path to somewhere else (waiting station) if it cannot find a path to the destination.
But maybe it could still "magically transfer" the goods back to the station where they've been picked? Or drop them as a stack like when demolishing a building?

[quick thistle]

Again the underlying problem has to be fixed that they wont even try to do it. But its also caused by having errors in the track design or trains turning around.

And only the trains turning around i can fix aswell

[delicate sierra]

I agree. On the other hand, the user could always force a train go get stuck by changing his tracks in conflicting ways. This should not cause resource loss. But I'm not into your code, nor the Timberborn internas, so I can just wildly guess around.

[regal matrix]

Good morning, I did some more work last night building part of a separate track loop during recording for today's video. Interestingly, the trains in my other loops did get turned around a few times during this same period so now I'm wondering if updating any track piece on the entire map might be causing the issues? I figured it would have only been track pieces that were specifically connected to the same loop that any given train is using but now I'm not sure that's the case

If this has already been established then I apologize

[delicate sierra]

Yes, the current implementation recalculates all train networks whenever a single track is build, destroyed, or the one-way settings changed.

[gilded fern]

@quick thistle trainyard 2.0? https://puu.sh/JBcQ0/29c97b0dbf.png

[outer loom]

Why train yard has that many chimneys ?

Or what it is?

[gilded fern]

well, why not?

[strange blade]

Or, will be a maintenance facility or a charging (refuelling) station ?

[regal matrix]

My guess is that this has something to do with fueling

[outer loom]

That means there are some kind of furnace or ventilated chamber. I don't see need of 3 furnaces if it's assembly \ maintenance facility

Rather roof lights like on builders hut to give assemblers good lighting

[gilded fern]

maybe they are just pipes that allow sunlight to come in

who knows

[outer loom]

I want to know

[strange blade]

We know when we know 😁

[regal matrix]

Hold up, you guys scraped this from his github?

🤣

Alright Tobbert is big time now

We're in there deep looking for clues on upcoming content

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , why even I've set the Minimum Item To Move , still have trains who carry only one piece ? If ever will need refuelling, will be more efficient do have distribution posts then having train to carry only one pieces ....

[quick thistle]

This is the result of difference between number of items and amount in KG's. Currently look at that, but what would be a good default KG amount?

100? So like half full currently?

or 150?

[strange blade]

I can tell, since every items has a different weight ! But, why not then, instead of amount, to be percentage of maximum carrying capabilities ?

Of course. per item type

[quick thistle]

that requires math

[strange blade]

But math don't explain the only one item been delivered 😮

[quick thistle]

1 item total or 1 in all 4?

[strange blade]

1 in total

[quick thistle]

what item was it?

[strange blade]

was 1 log, but earlier train has 20 !

in total

[quick thistle]

@native vortex I uploaded a new version which you can download with the mod manager

if you would be so kind to download it and test it out, then i can probably set it to the newest version

now its called [Beta] 0.5.3

Also has the overfill fix and the automatic turn around fix

if someone wants to test them

[native vortex]

Thanks! I'll try it this weekend.

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , now train brings log, for example at receiving station, unloaded, but the inventory did not change 😮

[quick thistle]

what you mean?

[strange blade]

Can I show you on live ? On beaver-noises .

[quick thistle]

yes sure

[dusk plover]

quesiton and not sure if it been ask befofre but can the train's carry more then one item at a time, ie be care let say logs, water and carrots? or can the train only carry one item at a time

[quick thistle]

currently, no

wanna change that in the future though

but that becomes complicated fast

because what i did was use the same logic as the beavers, but beavers cannot transfer different things

[quick thistle]

I pushed the changes

[winged hull]

yeah, and you have 4 carts, so if you are gonna make a trip from station A to station B, you are going to need to find all available resources to transport and then do some math to find the right proportion to transport, could be 2 wagons of carrots, 1 of planks and 1 of logs

[gilded fern]

@quick thistle rail crossing 2.0? https://puu.sh/JBil0/f39ec9c865.png

[quick thistle]

oooh, what this makes me think of, is adding the corses, yes, but make the fences and the house decorations?

which you can place over tracks

[gilded fern]

im not yet able to turn this into a functioning mod, im stuck at the designing phase 😂

[quick thistle]

aaah, thats fine, we can work something out

i love the design

[gilded fern]

i have prefabs, thats as far as I get

[quick thistle]

that looks sick

[regal matrix]

I love the idea of train-related decorations

I don't know how much more complicated you're planning on making this mod but it would be amazing to have little trackside signals and stuff

I don't have much knowledge of coding but if the one-way tracks are already checking for the presence of a train in the next block of track, would it be hard to add a functionality to display a green light if the block ahead is open and a red light if the block ahead is occupied?

[quick thistle]

No, thats fairly easy

but im not sure how u exactly mean what it should look liek

[regal matrix]

That's okay, I can give some examples later once I'm not at work

[winged hull]

Factorio does it

[regal matrix]

I don't want to assume how much you do or do not know about real railroad operations but there's tons of little detail stuff that shouldn't be too hard to put into the mod if that's something you want to do

[winged hull]

https://wiki.factorio.com/images/Why_signals.gif

look how the bottom left signal changes color

[regal matrix]

The good thing is that your one-way tracks already do the stop/go functionality and you'd just have to add a color-changing light into the model

[quick thistle]

this is what the mod does now, right?

[winged hull]

yes, the mod works like factorio but the signals dont change color if the section ahead is occupied

[tall bridge]

or moving arm if blocked like old style marking 😉

[regal matrix]

Moving arm probably fits the timberborn aesthetic better

I love that old-style stuff

[tall bridge]

https://www.transportfever2.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=gamemanual:management:signals:semaphore.png
something like the red arm 😉

maybe intresting reading about signals? https://www.transportfever2.com/wiki/doku.php?id=gamemanual:railwaysignals

[regal matrix]

The euro style stuff is much simpler than the old American ones

And looks nice

[quick thistle]

also @regal matrix They now automaticly turn around, so that should relive it a bit

[regal matrix]

Awesome, thank you!

[quick thistle]

once again, thx for reporting things, hopefully you wont notice now xD

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , wrong live version number

[chrome chasm]

Question on the train mod: does each district only need 1 good station of that station can send and receive all the goods?

[strange blade]

No, but, it's better to have only one, to avoid the possibility that haulers bring back goods to sending station.

[chrome chasm]

Okay! I guess it’s better to have wait stations than good stations, for more trains to go

[strange blade]

At least one waiting station per train !

[chrome chasm]

Yeah! That makes sense

[quick thistle]

I reverted the update as i found a bug which i didnt understand

If you upfate the tracks while trains are trying to dilver somewhere, then the cacpity of a station gets bugged

[strange blade]

Ok, then I tell you another bug. Trains wait too long in the station when have no jobs, blocking the other trains delivering goods to that station. Maybe, a train with no job must go to the waiting station if a train with goods is behind ?

[quick thistle]

To be clear, anyone with 0.5.4 i suggest downgrading as the version has bugs

Which have big impact, bc all of them have bugs, but that one has more

[outer loom]

Changelog: - Added more bugs (Typical update)

[quick thistle]

Oke, 3th time is the charm. Uploaded another new version

[fleet orchid]

is there a way to make the small bend fit inside the big bend? 😄

[regal matrix]

I was going to ask about this too

[quick thistle]

🙈

[regal matrix]

The geometry of the big bend seems like it wouldn't allow the small one to fit inside but it sure would be nice

[fleet orchid]

dont feel any presure by ppl making videos

buttum

TOBBERT!

[regal matrix]

Maybe a different corner piece that has the two bound together?

[quick thistle]

there are 2 options:

1. sketchy
2. very complicated

[fleet orchid]

lets earmark it as wishlisted maybe?

[regal matrix]

If it's outside the realm of realistic possibility then that's okay

[quick thistle]

@fleet orchid and @regal matrix sketch is doable

[regal matrix]

What makes it sketchy?

[quick thistle]

[regal matrix]

Or am I missing that is has to be connected to the switch tracks

Sometimes I'm dense, as you may know from watching some of my videos 🤣🤣🤣

[quick thistle]

probably to complicated to explain, but uuuh you can place things there that may shouldnt be there

Oke, yolo i pushed it

[winged hull]

its good that we have beta testers

[quick thistle]

u mean that i dont let people beta test?

nono, the players are beta tester

[winged hull]

yeap

[quick thistle]

this is just like what happens with Dutch Windmill, and after a week people stopped reporting it, so its fine xD

[regal matrix]

Dutch windmill is awesome

I'm never using a gristmill again

[quick thistle]

its as buggy as the corner piece now

[regal matrix]

[gilded fern]

thats not a bug, thats an easter egg

[novel turtle]

it would be nice to be able to put some kind of platform over the 2x2 corner too
I'm thinking about the 1 leg pillar and using the pillar top for example
that or a 2x2 1 high platform I suppose

[quick thistle]

recreated it

[quick thistle]

any feedback?

please do tell it

[gilded fern]

this might be nitpicking, but maybe add some metal here and there

like the roof perhaps

or is it already metal

[quick thistle]

the metal texture are so ugly

[gilded fern]

a bit hard to tell

[quick thistle]

not it isnt yet

[gilded fern]

hmm

[quick thistle]

but the roof i can try, havent yet

[gilded fern]

other than that, looks very good

what is the big white circle at the front?

[quick thistle]

i have no clue

the texuter is a folktails window

[regal matrix]

That looks great

[gilded fern]

https://puu.sh/JBnML/9d68a82f11.png looks like it would be more accurate if its the same texture as its surroundings

looks like a big headlight right now because of the small lights at the bottom

[outer loom]

Yeah, I agree. Wooden textures look great, but only wood make it look too much of a toy. It needs some "hardness" of a power machinery

[quick thistle]

the cabin with a bit more metal would be also good, but i just cannot seem to find a nice looking ssomething

looks like pee

[gilded fern]

ye no this light metal isnt doing it any good

[outer loom]

Yeah, texture is not the best match, so I do think it's where it should go for improvement

[gilded fern]

maybe consider some irregularPlanks instead of metal

but if theres no suitable metal, then the original wood one will work just fine (the initial design)

[quick thistle]

again, like, im starting to make the shape and thats fine, but than throwing textures on im like GARBAGE

[outer loom]

Is it? this one looks pretty good to me

[near gazelle]

i feel what makes this one look off is that the wooden pillars stand right where the metal is

so it looks decidedly off

[outer loom]

Maybe

[rich rapids]

Maybe a light on the front circle

[gilded fern]

I would suggest, stick to the wood, overall its more consistent than the metal. forget the metal 😅

[delicate sierra]

Tbh, I like the current design of the locomotive. 🙂

[quick thistle]

yes, i do wanna allow for changing it back. once ima add different wagons im not sure how im gonna do it, but idk

[lavish rune]

Oh. I have an idea. Maybe you can change the train into handcar for fueless slower option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draisine

[raven elm]

I was thinking about this the other day too! It would definitely be a fun addition to this mod

[quick thistle]

bad news btw, my main pc drive got corrupt this morning, so i couldnt do much sadly. Will have to buy new ssd tomorrow

no files were lost, as i keep everything on my server

[outer loom]

Don't forget to backup anyway

[quick thistle]

havent setup that properly on the server yet, but i have setup other security meseares

[cobalt jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-gonzo-scooter-handcar-gif-26355263

wheels dont even look round

[strange blade]

It's hard to chop rounded wheels only with teeth 😄

[cobalt jolt]

they need a "round theeth" mod

Maybe im just crazy but i would love to see like 3 diff trains like 1 of them being coal "wood" operated being the smaller and slower, then the mid option somewhat water engine bigger size bigger loads and faster than coal one, and then the bullet, totally electric with more loads capacity and waaay faster than other 2, but i know its easier to say it than doing it so its only a daydream.

[quick thistle]

Currently installing unity and things again, so soon up to speed!

but i do have to change the fan noise, holy dang is standard annoying

[quick thistle]

on this one the mettal feels way better

[gilded fern]

neat

[regal matrix]

That's cool!

Fluid specific transport coming?

Or just some nice variety to trains

[quick thistle]

type specific, yes, not sure how exactly yet

[quick thistle]

customising trains or something, where you can select what wagons a train will pull

[regal matrix]

Yes please

[quick thistle]

so you want all round train, or 1 type specific

[gilded fern]

dont ask us what we want, u will regret it

[quick thistle]

oh, i mean as in, you can choose if you want a all round train or 1 type all wagons

[strange blade]

Maybe, just loco must go to train station to pick a job, and there, attach wagons according to cargo type and, maybe, amount ?

[quick thistle]

TheBloodEyes said it maybe looks wierd that it changes the model all the time

So, thats why im leaning more to a more "permanent" option where they dont change

but maybe only on demand

[strange blade]

Ya, but a train do not travel long distances with empty wagons ...

[regal matrix]

Having multiple trains on a line that each have specific types of wagons would be excellent

And very realistic

One train for liquids, one for building materials, etc

Or mix and match as you choose

[quick thistle]

yes, so there fore i think its fun that you can click on a train and select the wagons. minimum 2 max 4.

maybe does or doesnt require materials, but the trains goes back to a train yard and switches the model in there to not show that they are switched

But this would require a rework of the distribution system, as this does ask for multiple goods in a single trip

[regal matrix]

I like that

Also while I'm here, I literally just figured out the other day that you could change the number of goods required to get a train to move

By accident

That was a very happy discovery

If you end up doing any UI work, though, could I suggest maybe making it a bit more obvious that you can change that value? Either a box to click inside like the other multi-value inputs in the game have, or a slider or something

[cobalt jolt]

Have you considered making it a bit harder to get the trains? maybe each player need to have the right amount of materials (and fuel) to build then run the train? I know its a mod but if it was a bit harder to use it would really be something to work for instead of just clicking it and "voila" the train is ready.

fuel could just be water so we had to add a water barrel next to each train/goods station. or wood or carrots or taters... any already existing resource for fuel.

[regal matrix]

In the American west in the 1800s, they'd fuel trains with wood before coal became readily available across the country. I don't think it's unreasonable to require logs as fuel and water supply to keep the trains operating as well

Of course, part of the fun of the mod is how simple and easy it is to get up and running if you have the scrap metal to build tracks so idk that making it difficult is 100% the right move

[quick thistle]

The goal is replacing the distribution system. So i think JC hits the nail on the head. Gonna write that down in case of future argument.

[outer loom]

I'd add a small rim around edges of tank cylinder and make ladders lower, may -1 step, they don't have to stand out that much, but overall looks very good

[cobalt jolt]

maybe then just adding the fuel part with enough wood to burn to make it run.

[quick thistle]

Yea, fuel i think is still a fun mechanic

Probably just a part of the train yard or something

[cobalt jolt]

then that model @gilded fern made could be handy for the fuel depo.

[regal matrix]

And having it go through the train yard for fuel would also encourage good track design so people don't do what I did in my first couple of loops where the train yard was off on some abomination of ugly track with weird one ways everywhere 🤣

[delicate sierra]

You still don't have enough waiting stations. When a train gets empty at a cargo station, and there's no free waiting station, it will stay sitting at the cargo station till it gets the next task, and block the station for other trains to fulfil their tasks.

[regal matrix]

You're probably right lol

Something to do for tomorrow's video

[quick thistle]

oh, im a fan

[rich rapids]

Omg so cool

The beavers are missing TwT

[quick thistle]

yea, currently trying that before going to bed xD

[rich rapids]

xD

[quick thistle]

Good work today guys! 🫡

[outer loom]

Wow that's cute

[cobalt jolt]

Welcome to ChooChooville...

[regal matrix]

This is amazing

[waxen walrus]

I'm interested in this mod, but I was wondering what supporting mods I should add to it

[strange blade]

Path extension, to have steel bridges ...

[waxen walrus]

huh

2 and 3 wide bridges would be nice

[delicate sierra]

Huh?

They're blocking each other. (I'm building lots of new tracks right now, that might be the cause...)

[rich rapids]

I always stop the trains before i change something with the tracks

[quick thistle]

deleting one of them should fix,

[regal matrix]

You can kind of fake 2 or 3-wide bridges by using the side platforms

I don't remember what mod pack those are in unfortunately

[delicate sierra]

Yes, deleting fixed it.

[native vortex]

Any idea why train #2 (highlighted in the train yard) is refusing to come out? Train #1 is working perfectly and moving between the districts transporting items. There are plenty of waiting stations in the other district as well.

[quick thistle]

everything is purple

one train will occupy a color

another train wont enter a already occupied section

[native vortex]

Hmmm. Okay I have an idea. Thanks!

[quick thistle]

Click on any straight track and click the "divide section" toggle