Was the ussr good debate

[frosty spoke]

How so

[fast sorrel]

Jk

[silent orbit]

ehem

[robust zinc]

Lol it uses money

A communist utopia is moneyless

and also stateless

[fast sorrel]

That's why it's called Utopia

[frosty spoke]

Bro can you get a better resolution image?

[fast sorrel]

Ever learnt high school math @frosty spoke

[silent orbit]

click on it

[robust zinc]

It's readable man

[frosty spoke]

I did,it's crusty

[fast sorrel]

Crusty ? Is that even a word ?

[silent orbit]

it's readable

[robust zinc]

Nahhhhhhhh

At small levels yes but anything large it becomes impossible

[silent orbit]

and you can clearly see that nobody wanted to remain in that union

[fast sorrel]

I legit gave an example

[fast sorrel]

Let's represent the govt in percentage

[frosty spoke]

I think you're talking about a different type of vote

[robust zinc]

I still have to backread

[silent orbit]

Oh and even the Russians didn't vote for the communists

[silent orbit]

yeah... their independence referendums...

[fast sorrel]

Whatever, I feel like this place is a waste of time

[robust zinc]

I have no idea how he still thinks eastern countries are more developed than the west

[fast sorrel]

Don't give him ideas

[frosty spoke]

If they got what they voted for why were they rioting in the streets about it(and getting gunned down by the same guys men)

[robust zinc]

Just a look at the map of modern germany goes to show the stark divide of progress between the old west and east german borders

[fast sorrel]

Also east is kinda developing, post soviets aren't

Japan China South Korea India

[frosty spoke]

Not the complete dissolution of the union,Umberto

[robust zinc]

Remember when Stalin built a wall in Berlin just because people want to go west

[fast sorrel]

Where the hell was democracy there

[robust zinc]

Yeah just goes to show how amazing life is in the communist states

[silent orbit]

Generally independence from the soviet union means independence from the soviet union but maybe i'm dyslexic

[fast sorrel]

And would people have a madman in power for decades if twas a democracy ?

[robust zinc]

The state would like for you to think that was the case lol

[fast sorrel]

I don't get it

[frosty spoke]

Japan literally has buildings full of people In glorified homeless shelters to stay away from the streets and SK literally puts people on some MK Ultra BS just to become popstars,like seriously look it up

[robust zinc]

Man I'm pretty sure even the Soviet union is part of the UN

[fast sorrel]

Current status of Japan is developed

[frosty spoke]

Bro what, this is why I blocked you

[silent orbit]

ok, is that better than north korea or communist china?

[fast sorrel]

Imagine having to recover from the horror they committed to a pacifist

[robust zinc]

💀

Dude it's part of the UN

[fast sorrel]

Imagine the morals take a different course for the Japanese

[robust zinc]

even China is

[silent orbit]

is the Vatican the last bastion of the communist world?

[frosty spoke]

Both countries that America refuses to communicate with

[frosty spoke]

...no?

[fast sorrel]

Japanese thought Manchukuo belonged to them cus they spilled so much blood there and now the people are like timid as f

[silent orbit]

ok...?

[fast sorrel]

Warmachine to mind machine

*maid

[silent orbit]

they aren't part of the UN

[frosty spoke]

I'd have to travel In those countries to see what it's like

[robust zinc]

They're both in the UN iirc

[silent orbit]

i was talking about the vatican

[robust zinc]

You do know that North Korea doesn't just let people in

[robust zinc]

Ah I see

[frosty spoke]

Every time NK tries to talk to America they get cut off,and I can't trust the news because basically all of it is owned by BlackRock

[robust zinc]

I'm pretty sure it's actually the other way around

Each time North Korea talks to the west it always comes with missile threats bruh

[frosty spoke]

As sure as your parents were of keeping you,which isn't alot my friend.

[silent orbit]

wow who could of guessed that the country that looks like this at night is hard to communicate with

[robust zinc]

Damn bro that's deep

[robust zinc]

FAKE IMAGE, SATELLITE IS WESTERN MADE

[fast sorrel]

Whoa I knew they were done in but this is just dark lmao

[frosty spoke]

Bro that satellite image ain't shit

[robust zinc]

omg

[silent orbit]

you want a different angle?

[robust zinc]

@frosty spoke You do know that North Korea had a better start than South Korea after the civil war right?

[frosty spoke]

You didn't even compare it to a map of common life density

[robust zinc]

SK is denser

[frosty spoke]

Wdym a different angle

[silent orbit]

a different satellite image

[frosty spoke]

Sure I guess

[robust zinc]

Man just go to google earth

The difference in urban development is that obvious

North Korea's only urbanized area is in their capital Pyongyang

Which is very evident in the satellite photo provided above

[frosty spoke]

And even if there isn't slot of light at night,why do they need it? That's when they gotta be sleeping because...they're humans

[silent orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/issou-drole-marrant-rire-rigoler-gif-6142116

[frosty spoke]

Being up at those times is not good for you

[robust zinc]

Or maybe it's because the infrastructure in North Korea isn't developed

[silent orbit]

did your mom tell you that?

like think for half a second

[frosty spoke]

There's barely any context with that photo

[robust zinc]

Bro we just told you

[robust zinc]

.

[frosty spoke]

Yes. So do doctors in general

[silent orbit]

You want labels?

[frosty spoke]

Don't ask me,just post them

[silent orbit]

yeah drinking is also bad for you, won't stop us humans tho

[robust zinc]

Okay @frosty spoke why exactly do you think that communist societies are that better

[silent orbit]

ok, white = light, dark = not light

[robust zinc]

Do you believe in the labor theory of value commonly praised upon by the workers of communism?

[frosty spoke]

Drinking in moderation is okay. However you need that sunlight.

Regardless,wtf is your point with this image

[robust zinc]

Dude that doesn't mean people who are awake at night never go outside during the day

[silent orbit]

that north korea is a hell hole and you don't need CNN to figure that out

[robust zinc]

Like do you even sleep at 7pm???

Man defending North Korea is the worst example to use to praise communist societies

You' be better off with China and the Soviet Union

[frosty spoke]

So you're saying that a country is a hell hole,because it's not bright at night?
I've seen landmines that are less sensitive

[robust zinc]

???

[silent orbit]

what?

[robust zinc]

What's with the landmines?

[frosty spoke]

That's my question. You're ridiculous rn

[robust zinc]

Dude it's pretty simple, you need lights at night for everything

How would you drive a truck to deliver food on the highway if there weren't any streetlights?

[robust zinc]

It's not man

You highly underestimate the logistical need for light infrastructure

[silent orbit]

like the vast majority of countries have night lighting due to roads, shops, night clubs, people still up, hospitals, etc

[robust zinc]

Don't communist societies praise the concept of work?

Having light allows you to work at night

And there are people who choose to prefer to work at night too

Like what would happen if the hospital is closed at night and people were having an accident at that particular time

[frosty spoke]

Well,can you show where all those things would be while comparing with an image of the same place with the satellite image

[robust zinc]

It's in google earth

[silent orbit]

well in north korea... they don't have those

[robust zinc]

You can take a look for yourself

[frosty spoke]

Because all I see is a hunch that something might be bad,not real proof

[robust zinc]

It's not a hunch

It's real

[frosty spoke]

Provide proof there's no hospital

[robust zinc]

Nooooooooooo that's not the point

[robust zinc]

The claim here is that North Korea's infrastructure is lacking because it refuses to focus on civilian initiatives

[silent orbit]

you want me to prove that something doesn't exist?...

at a country wide scale

[frosty spoke]

Maybe if the U.S accepted communication we could actually know about the infrastructure

[robust zinc]

Dude, before you critique capitalist societies you should first think about how food reaches your table from across the globe

[silent orbit]

the USA isn't the only country in the world

[frosty spoke]

You have no proof that it doesn't exist and no proof that it does exist

[robust zinc]

It's a satellite image

[frosty spoke]

Well it's where I live,so information barriers that affect it affect me

[silent orbit]

I have no proof that unicorns exist and no proof that they don't, therefore unicorns exist

[robust zinc]

BRO YOU'RE IN THE US

[silent orbit]

No it doesn't, you still have access to foreign media

[frosty spoke]

Hospitals≠a unicorn

[robust zinc]

You guys are the most privileged people in this world

[silent orbit]

In north korea they are both rare

[robust zinc]

You guys have cars and roads everywhere

[frosty spoke]

Yeah,in the same political sphere

[robust zinc]

and a large industry to support your population

[silent orbit]

China is the same political sphere as you?

[robust zinc]

Yet you complain about the hard labor of your own citizens?

[frosty spoke]

I can't get NK news or Chinese news unless I do some Watch_Dogs type of operation

[robust zinc]

Dude

[silent orbit]

Also the USA has a vast range of media, from conservatives to liberals and from liberals to socialists

[silent orbit]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/index.html

wow, watch dogs operation

[frosty spoke]

Socialists in the western political hemisphere

[silent orbit]

You think we all live in a hivemind?

[robust zinc]

Yeah they do exist

Just like you for example

You're a US citizen man

@frosty spoke Do you know that many people from third world countries wish to have a job in the US

[frosty spoke]

What is this

[silent orbit]

chinese state media

[robust zinc]

Or maybe do you not know that perspective because you haven't experienced it

Man I live in a poor country, and people who come back from work in the US can bring enough money to feed 5 families

The pay here is shit, and the only way to get money is to work abroad

[frosty spoke]

Bro just stop talking about North Korea,we can't discuss what's there because there's not enough information. We don't have Google maps or anything of the sort and we don't have time to review the entire country

[robust zinc]

Dude you have google maps

You're an American, not a North Korean

[frosty spoke]

I can't casually see what buildings are operating like I would if I had a VPN or something

[robust zinc]

You don't need a vpn bruh

[silent orbit]

That's not how google maps or vpns work

[robust zinc]

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=881164a4c806bec6JmltdHM9MTY4MjEyMTYwMCZpZ3VpZD0yZDlkYjc3ZC1lYzM5LTYwMjMtMzdkMS1hNTU5ZWQ2YjYxYjUmaW5zaWQ9NTE4OQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=2d9db77d-ec39-6023-37d1-a559ed6b61b5&psq=google+earth&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9lYXJ0aC5nb29nbGUuY29tLw&ntb=1

[frosty spoke]

Idk even know what browser you're using

[silent orbit]

bing

[robust zinc]

That's bing

[silent orbit]

but works with anything

[robust zinc]

It's a link to google earth

[frosty spoke]

And If I can access it that easy,I wouldn't know where to search

[robust zinc]

And it's a search engine, not a browser

[robust zinc]

I gave you the link already

[frosty spoke]

Especially with the algorithm keeping me away on purpose

[robust zinc]

Go to the map of North Korea, and compare it to the likes of Seoul

[silent orbit]

...north korea

[frosty spoke]

I'm on chrome

[robust zinc]

We already gave you the link, there's no excuses for you now

[silent orbit]

what algorithm mate?

[robust zinc]

You can still use the link

[frosty spoke]

We're talking about news sites from those sites

[robust zinc]

North Korea doesn't have internet

[frosty spoke]

Algorithm on basically every American browser

[robust zinc]

Because it wants to keep its citizens in the dark

[robust zinc]

Algorithms are determined by what you search

[silent orbit]

It doesn't stop you from clicking a link...

[frosty spoke]

They would obviously try to prevent me form seeing agenda from those places

[robust zinc]

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

Bruv we can click it

[silent orbit]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/index.html

again

[robust zinc]

And we live in a western society

[silent orbit]

you can access chinese state run media

[robust zinc]

There's nothing stopping us from clicking it

[robust zinc]

That one too

And the PRC heavily communicates internationally

We even have chinese built bridges in my country lmao

[silent orbit]

also if that was true, how come you can watch your hakim guy?

[robust zinc]

I can also talk with Chinese people too

There's no divide bruh

[robust zinc]

Albeit they have to use a VPN

because their government is actually banning them

Unlike ours

[frosty spoke]

In the same way that you can still use LiDAR to search for an abandoned ancient civilization,but it's hard because they have S.A.M sites so I can't use the plane I normally would to scan the area

[robust zinc]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

LIDAR is from satellites

[frosty spoke]

They can't stop me,but they can try to bury it deep in search

[robust zinc]

a SAM cannot hit a satellite

[robust zinc]

wdym they can't stop you?????????? you alone are the one refusing to click the link

We're already providing it to you and yet you're still skeptical

[silent orbit]

literally the first recommendation

like stop living in a fantasy world

[robust zinc]

Dude clicking a link is not hard

[frosty spoke]

Just like there was ways politicians geographically made it hard for some demographics to vote,but it's still possible

[robust zinc]

How is that related to the internet???

[frosty spoke]

Except why would you expect me to casually know what global times is?

Stop living in a fantasy world

[robust zinc]

Because unlike you, Umberto does not live in a bubble

[silent orbit]

idk because it's kind of common knowledge, especially in communist circles?

[frosty spoke]

They bury that information on China deep in the search

[robust zinc]

Noooooooooooooooooo

Bruv they don't

We literally have American factories in China

[silent orbit]

i literally showed you that it was the first fucking result

[frosty spoke]

Have you been in Communist circles?

[silent orbit]

YES

[robust zinc]

It just goes to show how open Chinese society is compared to North Korea

Bruv we're already showing you

[frosty spoke]

You're just assuming that I know about global times

[robust zinc]

Okay @frosty spoke

I want one proof from you okay?

[frosty spoke]

Which

[silent orbit]

wdym which?

[robust zinc]

Can you please type on google the website provided above

If that doesn't appear, then you win this argument

[frosty spoke]

I would imagine there's many Communist/Socialist circles

[frosty spoke]

Also I wonder,which country do you live in

[silent orbit]

type global times and we can talk later

[robust zinc]

@frosty spoke Stop dodging, and finally show some proof

[frosty spoke]

I already explained. It's only easy if you know where to search

[robust zinc]

Google pal

It's already there

[silent orbit]

just type "global times" and take a screenshot of the propositions

[frosty spoke]

They try to stop you from knowing where to search that type of stuff with the algorithm

[robust zinc]

Do you only browse the internet via recommended articles???

[robust zinc]

Because that's the only extent algorithms can influence you \

via recommendations

Algorithms do not prevent you from searching up wikipedia

Nor does it prevent you from searching Global times

[robust zinc]

Where's the times

[frosty spoke]

Idk

I did what he asked

[robust zinc]

Type it

[silent orbit]

...

[frosty spoke]

Oh you edited ir

It*

[silent orbit]

yeah because i made a typo

[robust zinc]

Can you still type it?

@frosty spoke

Show it to us

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=c2ff892244b2977eJmltdHM9MTY4MjEyMTYwMCZpZ3VpZD0yZDlkYjc3ZC1lYzM5LTYwMjMtMzdkMS1hNTU5ZWQ2YjYxYjUmaW5zaWQ9NTE4Ng&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=2d9db77d-ec39-6023-37d1-a559ed6b61b5&psq=global+times&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ2xvYmFsdGltZXMuY24v&ntb=1

Because I can see the site perfectly from my browser even though if I live in a western country

[robust zinc]

There

Global times china

As you can tell, nothing is stopping you from reading chinese media

Even the chinese can watch western media

[robust zinc]

Albeit with restrictions

Like how youtube or discord is banned in China

Plus

@frosty spoke Are you well aware of TikTok?

That's a chinese app

And yet we westerners can still use it because it isn't banned

[silent orbit]

yet

[robust zinc]

The CCP still has more restrictions

[frosty spoke]

I can search for global times and get their site,but why would I if I've never heard of them?

[silent orbit]

yeah and tik tok is basically spywhere

[heady jungle]

Peeps peeps

[robust zinc]

You just heard of it now

[silent orbit]

because you live in a bubble

[heady jungle]

Lemme settle this

Communism in theory works

[silent orbit]

good luck with that

[silent orbit]

that wasn't the debate

[heady jungle]

USSR implemented it

After 69 years

It has failed to implement

[robust zinc]

Actually not really

The USSR still used money and still had a government

Communism is anarchistic in nature

[frosty spoke]

That's what I was talking about. The perosnal bubble of information, the algorithm

[silent orbit]

they implemented marxism-leninism

[silent orbit]

you did this to yourself

[frosty spoke]

After 69 years of what

[robust zinc]

Do you know how do algorithms work?

[heady jungle]

Communism depends on who you’re taking the ideals from

[robust zinc]

Exactly

[heady jungle]

Of a regime

[silent orbit]

life isn't social media, you can still look up stuff, ask around and read what you want

[silent orbit]

of hell

[robust zinc]

Algorithms are determined by what you consume

[frosty spoke]

From what time did the 69 period start

And from where

[silent orbit]

what does that have to do with anything?

[robust zinc]

He likes to dodge the topic

He's completely losing the argument that the US government is censoring Chinese media from him

[heady jungle]

74 not 69

^

The sino-american relations aren’t good

Not after what they did

[robust zinc]

I guess @silent orbit we won this one lol

[frosty spoke]

I gotta know specifically what he's talking about

[heady jungle]

4v1

So do we

[frosty spoke]

"This isn't 1st grade math class"

[silent orbit]

well we were talking about the "algorithm" censoring you but we already demonstrated that it wasn't the case, so ig nothing

[frosty spoke]

@silent orbit you would know if you were a tech guy,but I hope this helps you understand how algorithms effect our information poolhttps://youtu.be/OuU3UfRM2pE

[robust zinc]

Yeah we know that

[silent orbit]

again, life isn't social media, you are free to read, search, ask and think

[robust zinc]

Algorithms just influences what's on your feed and recommendations

[frosty spoke]

https://youtu.be/UG_X_7g63rY

[robust zinc]

And that's determined by what you search

[silent orbit]

☝️

[robust zinc]

If you aren't seeing chinese media, it's likely because you never searched for it in the first place

[frosty spoke]

It's not just social media,it's google,bing,and anywhere you would get facts or statistics

[silent orbit]

Books?

People?

Documents?

Seminars?

[frosty spoke]

Wanna give some money?

[robust zinc]

Only the recommended articles

It doesn't stop you from searching it up

[frosty spoke]

Assuming I run into specific people

[robust zinc]

Just like a while ago where you managed to search up Global news

[silent orbit]

You have this beautiful thing called a university

[frosty spoke]

I'd get declassified documents from the internet

[silent orbit]

Or from archives

[frosty spoke]

Don't assume that I'm capable of that in the current moment

[heady jungle]

[silent orbit]

A two year old can enter a university library with an adult

[frosty spoke]

There's alot of reasons I could not be in uni,so don't assume

[frosty spoke]

Don't have the time or resources

[robust zinc]

Like the algorithm?

[silent orbit]

then that's on you

[heady jungle]

damn

[frosty spoke]

Don't assume things about my personal life

[silent orbit]

not cancel culture

[robust zinc]

Yeah and don't assume about ours either

[frosty spoke]

That's off topic.
Are you debating,or trying to mock me?

[robust zinc]

He's only proving a point

[frosty spoke]

When did i?

[robust zinc]

uh oh

[silent orbit]

Just take a week-end

[frosty spoke]

Don't say "uh oh" WHEN DID I

[robust zinc]

.

UH OH

[heady jungle]

he gotchu now

[silent orbit]

ladies and gentlement

we gottem

[robust zinc]

And he says I'm a troll lmao

[frosty spoke]

Look bro just stop assuming what arrangements I can make. My primary source is what's available on the internet,so let's use what we have here to debate. Especially because it's a debate on the internet

Got what

[silent orbit]

You clearly have enough time to justify absolutely horrid regimes 🤷‍♂️

[frosty spoke]

Stop digging into my personal life :/

This is supposed to be a debate,not an interrogation

[frosty spoke]

Also I didn't ask for your opinion,I asked for a debate..as referenced in the title

[silent orbit]

i didn't ask you

[robust zinc]

That's not personal

He's just saying you have enough time

[frosty spoke]

Stop trying to shoot low blows about how I spend my time. It's not proper debate etiquette

[silent orbit]

It's not an insult

[heady jungle]

if you can spend time on discord, you can certainly spend time researching is what’s he is saying

[robust zinc]

Neither is this etiquette

😐

Now this is an insult

[heady jungle]

damn

[robust zinc]

Really offensive

[frosty spoke]

Don't worry about my time,where i travel,what school I go to, what I eat for dinner,or what shape my feces comes out in

[robust zinc]

I could maybe report it

[robust zinc]

We don't

[silent orbit]

I don't give a damn about how you spend your time, you just clearly have a lot of free time

[frosty spoke]

If I did have the opportunity to read some books about Marxist theory and whatnot. Beyond that you mind your business.

[heady jungle]

you are currently using your free time on discord

[silent orbit]

https://www.marxists.org/admin/books/manifesto/Manifesto.pdf

there you go mate

[heady jungle]

mate

[robust zinc]

It's free bruv

And cheap too

I got mine for just 5 dollars

[keen wind]

With one choice lol, I can say North Korea have elections as well

[heady jungle]

who’s leading?

CLASSIFIED

[frosty spoke]

Didn't know they had his whole manifesto for free I'm used to them having books on paywall.
I guess I'll read it when I have appropriate time to

[robust zinc]

It's not a paywall

Well kind of

Things would always have a price

[silent orbit]

old books don't have paywalls

[robust zinc]

Society would collapse if everything was free, since that's literally just widespread looting

[frosty spoke]

Usually from where I'm looking all books are on pay wall

[robust zinc]

We just gave you a free book

There's a ton of free pdfs online

[silent orbit]

it was literally the first search result for it

[frosty spoke]

That is..unless essential goods are free

[robust zinc]

You think water should be free?

Who's gonna pay the workers on the water factory?

[frosty spoke]

And I didn't search,because I thought it would be on paywall. What don't you understand

[robust zinc]

Do you want the worker to be unpaid?

[frosty spoke]

Work for free live for free

[silent orbit]

if you live your life by assuming you can't do anything you won't do much

[robust zinc]

You can always live in the mountains

But I guess you want to enjoy the luxury of modernity

[silent orbit]

So slavery?

[keen wind]

Someone still has to pay to get essential goods made, and if the government pays to get them made then the government has to make money in different ways, like raising taxes. So essentially you are still paying for essential goods, just in a different way

[robust zinc]

Think of money as speech

[frosty spoke]

We comfortably have alot of food and water to distribute amongst all of us

[robust zinc]

Odd concept, but it's just how we communicate what's the value in things

[robust zinc]

We don't

We have to purify the water

And groundwater is lacking too

[keen wind]

Grow food

[frosty spoke]

Slavery but all of us are working for eachother

[keen wind]

[robust zinc]

Bruh

[silent orbit]

[robust zinc]

You must be oppressive

[frosty spoke]

Farmers can live for free by simple Taking a share of their own resources

[robust zinc]

I don't like talking with oppressive people

[robust zinc]

What if I want to be an artist?

Should I just starve?

[frosty spoke]

I'm just framing it as a form of slavery because that's what you asked

[robust zinc]

Because I'm not a farmer?

[keen wind]

There would be no incentive to do more then the bare minimum

[frosty spoke]

I'm simplifying

[frosty spoke]

Depends on said bare minimum

[robust zinc]

The bare minimum in this case is just working to eat

[silent orbit]

So feudalism?

[frosty spoke]

Never heard of it,define it

[robust zinc]

Peasents in the medieval ages can live for free under the protection of a lord given if they shared their harvest

They still used money though

[keen wind]

There would be no incentive to innovate, do dangerous jobs, get a higher education, work a harder job, because everyone regardless of your job gets the same things at the end of the day

[robust zinc]

Because money is indispensable

[silent orbit]

have you at least read any marxist political theory books?

[robust zinc]

Tbh my commie manifesto is just rotting beside me XD

Only skimmed it

[silent orbit]

it's quite boring ngl

[keen wind]

Why would I become a neurosurgeon if I can get the same things as I would working at McDonald's?

[robust zinc]

Dude exactly 😭

[frosty spoke]

Well cuban doctors worked for less than can drivers in the pandemic but they still worked there and worked hard. Most of innovation comes from people just wanting to do something instead of caring about the money

[robust zinc]

But it's still nice to be paid right?

Who would want to work for free lol

[frosty spoke]

Tetris wasn't created for profit,but because some soviet uni kid just wanted to make a good game

[robust zinc]

Imagine 3 kids starving just because their parents aren't being paid

[frosty spoke]

He sold for free

[robust zinc]

Dude that's not why we invent things

We invent things like Iphones because people want it

Not because of just profits

[frosty spoke]

Then why did he make tetris

[robust zinc]

Because he Wants to

[frosty spoke]

Well I don't really see apple being called innovative anymore

[robust zinc]

They still are

Albeit slower now

[keen wind]

The fact that capitalist countries consistently had better technology then their communist counterparts says otherwise. And yes, there are those who do jobs like being a doctor because they want to regardless of pay, but the vast majority of people do it for the pay as well.

[robust zinc]

Things like the new MacBooks are praised among creators and students

[frosty spoke]

It wouldn't be a meme that they literally upgrade the phone by 1% and slap a new number on it

[robust zinc]

A Macbook can run serious hardware without needing a fan

[keen wind]

Why would anyone join the army if they wouldn't get paid anymore then a McDonald's employee?

[robust zinc]

That's not true

Apple still makes changes to other specifications

[frosty spoke]

Consistent brainwashing and false advertising

There's a whole video on how they trick people into joining the army,I'll link if you want

[robust zinc]

You're literally basing your opinion off a meme bruh

[robust zinc]

We know that lol

But at least it ain't forced

[frosty spoke]

Maybe because socialist countries were just getting on their feet

[robust zinc]

Like conscription in the communist countries

[robust zinc]

Actually not true

[silent orbit]

Estonia innovated way more post 1991

[frosty spoke]

Don't forget capitalist countries had like an 400+ year headstart

[frosty spoke]

Provide examples

[silent orbit]

nope, Taiwan, South Korea, all the warsaw pact nations

[robust zinc]

And didn't socialists stole capitalist property?

[keen wind]

I'm referring to your "perfect society" and how there's no incentive to do more then the bare minimum, like doing dangerous jobs

[silent orbit]

they are leaders in voting online for example

[robust zinc]

That's one huge head start

They stole hard work of 400 years

[frosty spoke]

Not to mention no one to contest them

[silent orbit]

Ever heard of a war?

[keen wind]

Sure, they've been getting on their feet since 1922

[frosty spoke]

What's so innovative about them? Start talking

[robust zinc]

BRUHHHHHHHHHHHH

DUDEEEEEE

Taiwannnn

Is where all the computers come from

Heard of TSMC?

They manufacture all the high end chips

[silent orbit]

ROC leads in computing, south korea in anything electric

[frosty spoke]

As opposed to America,who has been what it is today since like 1600

[robust zinc]

Actually the Dutch invented capitalism

Not the US

[silent orbit]

America isn't the only country out there

[robust zinc]

Like okay @frosty spoke

[frosty spoke]

1. Who is ROC?
2. Which South Korean companies

[silent orbit]

I am

[robust zinc]

Compare PRC to ROC

[keen wind]

And it's one of the most technologically advanced countries

[robust zinc]

💀

Republic of China aka Taiwan

[silent orbit]

I AM THE ROC skyler

[robust zinc]

We have companies like Samsung, which is from South Korea

[frosty spoke]

Which is why it was an example

[robust zinc]

About this @frosty spoke

[frosty spoke]

Compared to who?

[silent orbit]

Everyone

[frosty spoke]

I didn't ask you

[robust zinc]

Taiwan is often considered as a breakaway entity from the PRC, and yet even with its lack of resources it still managed to beat the PRC by decades when it comes to computer technology

[silent orbit]

am i wrong tho?

[robust zinc]

Same too goes with South Korea

South Korea had a really poor economy

[frosty spoke]

From what I've seen,often times yes

[robust zinc]

And at the end of the Civil war, North Korea was better than them

[silent orbit]

objection your honour, hearsay

[robust zinc]

And yet we can see South Korea is the prime examples of what a rich country looks like

[robust zinc]

No

Taiwan arguably holds a monopoly over the semiconductor industry

[frosty spoke]

@keen wind still waiting for that comparison btw

[robust zinc]

Just one corporation alone is producing half of the world's entire semiconductor supply

[silent orbit]

I gave it to you

[robust zinc]

The best processors too

[silent orbit]

let the poor man live

[keen wind]

Everyone

[robust zinc]

Bro has the audacity to call Taiwan a loser in the semiconductor industry

[frosty spoke]

Explain in detail!

[robust zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loiltpe6q-s&list=PLKtxx9TnH76SRC7ZbOu2Nsg5mC72fy-GZ

[keen wind]

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/non-economic-data/best-tech-countries

[robust zinc]

It's one of the things why China is so obssessed with Taiwan

Even if it's just an island

[frosty spoke]

Now looking over it,the USSR had the most innovation of all time

[robust zinc]

Actually no

Their computer industry failed

They aren't even alive anymore to innovate

I don't recall the USSR developing Nuclear technology first

[frosty spoke]

https://youtu.be/ACuM3f9mgnU

[robust zinc]

They made great innovations, but far too little compared to the west

[frosty spoke]

Nobody innovated as much as they did when they were around,so it's safe to say they would be dominant if they were still here

[robust zinc]

They literally collapsed

How is that innovating

[frosty spoke]

Okay,what did the west innovate during the soviet era

[robust zinc]

You must've forgot about the moon landings

[frosty spoke]

They litterally got sabotaged, once again bro

[robust zinc]

The Soviets sabotage the west too

Heard of the KGB?

[frosty spoke]

The space race? Soviets tore that right open.

[robust zinc]

Nope

US won

[frosty spoke]

Sabotaged internally

[robust zinc]

It takes more technological skill to land a person on a moon than to send a probe to mars

Oh yeah

The US invented the internet too

And the first computers such as the ENIAC

[frosty spoke]

https://youtu.be/xvaEvCNZymo

[robust zinc]

Remember when IBM and Apple gave birth to modern desktop computers?

[frosty spoke]

Getting the first mf in space is insane compared to just the first guy on a hollow planet

[robust zinc]

Bro it's not

[frosty spoke]

Soviets had the first mobile phone of all time

[robust zinc]

Space is also more void than the moon

[robust zinc]

And yet it was Motorola that pioneered it

[robust zinc]

Man

Do you know just how complex the Saturn V is?

[frosty spoke]

They only innovate when they need to get recognized.
Look where Apple and IBM are now. doing NOTHING!

[robust zinc]

wdym nothing

I just sent you a vid where it says Apple made groundbreaking progress in chip technology for mobile devices with the help of TSMC

Dude do you even know an apple device?

I own some, and they're crazy good

[frosty spoke]

When they had to get off the ground

Now they make money of of brainwashing the youth

[robust zinc]

You're brainwashed

Anyways

Imma go sleep now

Just go watch those asianometry vids I sent you

[frosty spoke]

When

Also what about that Chinese camp full of Suicidal slaves they got for their chips?

[robust zinc]

1983

First commercial mobile phone

DynaTac 8000X

[robust zinc]

Idk about that

If you mean Xinjiang

That's a problem for the PRC

not the ROC

[frosty spoke]

1966 altai

[frosty spoke]

Foxconn microchip plant

[keen wind]

[frosty spoke]

I wasn't talking to you

[keen wind]

[broken lodge]

Holy shit what the fuck is this chat

i returned after 2 days

and its gone into china or something

I'm more on the pro soviet side on some arguments about ww2 (molotov-ribbentrop pact, human wave attacks, poland) but this is just cancer

[frosty spoke]

@broken lodge well we were talking about innovation and then bebsi mentions Apple and then...

[sonic charm]

I know this was a while ago but the Soviet Union was a part of the UN

[silent orbit]

even their puppets were part of it, plus Ukraine and Belarus

[sonic charm]

Ye

I don’t think all of them counted as individual members though, since if they were it would essentially give the USSR tons more votes than other countries

[broken lodge]

I don't think puppets are the right word, Ukraine and Belorussia were actually apart of the USSR, The Polish People's republic and the GDR are more of puppet states

[hybrid iris]

Tell that yo my parents

Its hard not to fail at something that doesnt work in the first place

Christ why am i coming back here

This whole debate is making my last two braincells braindead

[robust zinc]

I don't think he even had the experience to live in a communist state let alone can they grasp the efficiency of capitalist systems

ffs why do people keep thinking of profit as exploitative, it's literally just a number that indicates the success of your sales and how sustainable your business model is

Commies really like to think that all capitalist industries are monopolies when really that isn't the case

And monopolies either aren't that stupid levels of corrupt since apparently in real life the free market doesn't exactly exist since there's this thing calle Government regulations

You can't just sell a car to the market without it having an airbag

[hybrid iris]

my parents were literally born in polish peoples republic

[heady jungle]

I mean

You wouldn’t see legit monopolies in the US since USA has anti-monopoly laws

[robust zinc]

That one too

[heady jungle]

While creating competition, its killing the companies which cannot skyrocket in sales

Forcing some to make trends to skyrocket

Unfortunately trends do die out

Like bell bottom pants

Popular in the 60-early 80s

Then it died out

Its coming back now

[heady jungle]

you can ask the US Class 1 railroads

[robust zinc]

There's one bitsy flaw with the monopoly thing with capitalism though

T e c h

Some techs are just so stupid good there's literally only one goddamn company in the entire planet that can pull those shit off

[heady jungle]

Yeah

[winged hamlet]

1636 messages

[silent orbit]

That's why i said plus since even tho they were part of the USSR, they had UN votes

[frosty spoke]

insulin

[heady jungle]

What does insulin have to do with this?

[frosty spoke]

Or rather,all the companies that would have done way better were bought out and the technology never came to the surface. The only innovation in capitalism takes place when
1.You're getting on your feet as a company
2. You're marketing,because after people like you the product could be literally dogshit and the brainwashing will still work

[heady jungle]

Chinese products be like:

[frosty spoke]

3-4 companies literally decided to have the same hyper inflated price (that literally kills diabetics FYI)

[frosty spoke]

I was thinking of apple when I wrote that,but it easily applies to most stuff

[heady jungle]

WHAT THE FUCK OMG THAT IS JUST AWWWW HELL NO WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ

[heady jungle]

apple is an american company

Once you get diabetes

You’re diabetic for life

[frosty spoke]

It's the truth. I'm sorry that you can't handle anything of the sort,but that's what happened

[heady jungle]

There is no cure

From a medical standpoint

You are wrong

[frosty spoke]

Yeah but there is insulin,that used to be 1$ in modern USD but capitalism did its thing and now it's too expensive

[heady jungle]

Nah im just yelling bc i wanna and being overdramatic

[heady jungle]

Fyi medicine here

Aint cheap

Never was

Never has been

And never will be

[frosty spoke]

In the nation that drives people to diabetes especially

[heady jungle]

Correction

The USDA is trying to prevent that

Unfortunately

People dont fucking listen

And what happens when you manage a country of 330+ million ppl?

almost half that or more will not listen

[frosty spoke]

https://youtu.be/7Ycd8zEdoVk my boy

[heady jungle]

That is a 13 year gap

And also

Its more expensive bc its in more demand

[frosty spoke]

WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO BITCH

DAMN!

[heady jungle]

Not after that comment… no

[frosty spoke]

Yeah you're getting blocked. You don't even examine the evidence

[pallid vigil]

West is Better, anyways

[robust zinc]

Eh Americans are rich anyways

Even a homeless guy in the US lives in a car

[pallid vigil]

*First Worlders

[robust zinc]

Ussr so poor they can't even afford coffins for the millions they killed

[pallid vigil]

They're good in meme culture, I'll give em that

[heady jungle]

Took a look at the video

And it was just as i thought

Capitalism

At

Its

Finest

Insulin is high as hel bc of competitors

[heady jungle]

Basically yes

[robust zinc]

Even critics of capitalism are well aware on just how efficient it is

[heady jungle]

^

[pallid vigil]

You do know Insulin price is a US problem

[heady jungle]

Capitalism can be good and bad its just how you perceive it

[heady jungle]

Well

Yes and no

[pallid vigil]

It is

[heady jungle]

hooray, paladin left

[pallid vigil]

Its about $100 in the US while it’s like $15 in Japan

[robust zinc]

True true, not a capitalist problem

[pallid vigil]

He went offline but yeah

[heady jungle]

Man just mad bc i already knew this

[robust zinc]

In a true capitalist society, no taxes means people actually get money to buy the insulin

[heady jungle]

Funny

[robust zinc]

Besides medicine is one of those things that are naturally expensive

It's literally man's invention to sidestep death

[pallid vigil]

so what’s an overdose?

[robust zinc]

It's surprising to be even think that they sell such technology and medicine for cheap when only a handful thousand of people know how to create those and yet it gets distributed to millions

Before you critic the price of a product, ask yourself first if you can even make it

Then you'll realise just how cheap even a 1000 dollar phone is considering the gargantuan effort to invent and produce it

Afterall, don't socialist states praise for the welfare of the people

At least that's something capitalism can actually provide

[frosty spoke]

If you're talking about insulin,it used to be 1$

[frosty spoke]

A man DIED because he couldn't afford it after he stopped getting his mom's insurance coverage. 50% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. The vast majority if Americans can't afford 1000$ bills kn an emergency. The wealth of the wealthy does not count. It's about the wealth of the average man and woman

So were going ignore how a man died because of the insane prices?

[robust zinc]

Okay, naturally people would just die too

Medicine is a privilege

[frosty spoke]

We do not win corporate wars. The corporations do.

[frosty spoke]

Because he couldn't afford the insulin that used to be 1$ a month

[robust zinc]

Okay and?

Imo insulin should be more expensive than that

[frosty spoke]

Now it's 400-1000 a month

[robust zinc]

Sounds cheap to me

[frosty spoke]

In America with the worst healthy problems in a "developed" nation

[heady jungle]

Or bc he wasn’t financially literate?

[robust zinc]

Exactly

Natural selection bruv

Incompetence is death

[frosty spoke]

That's an assumption.

[heady jungle]

The financial literacy rate here is hella low my man

THATS A FACT

don’t try me

[frosty spoke]

You're just assuming how smart he is.

[heady jungle]

I see stupid mistakes being made with money everyday

[robust zinc]

Lol wth is a corporate war

That's just classic competition

Perfectly normal

[heady jungle]

Ever heard of competition?

[frosty spoke]

And then there's the fact that you shouldn't have to be a finance expert to survive in the economy

[heady jungle]

Wanting profit?

[robust zinc]

Wanna know what's not normal, when corporations get collaborate or are supported by the state

[frosty spoke]

You quite simply don't know how smart the guy was

[heady jungle]

You dont need to be one to see how the US economy works

[robust zinc]

So if he's dumb he should've just died?

[frosty spoke]

At the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives?

[robust zinc]

Lol who gives a shit when people die naturally

[heady jungle]

^

People die

[robust zinc]

I'd rather choose dying from diabetes than in a gulag

[heady jungle]

You can’t avoid it

[frosty spoke]

I LIVE here.
It's a shithole for anyone but the 1%

[heady jungle]

Good choice

[heady jungle]

Hey, sunny boy, i live in fucking ohio

[robust zinc]

Lol you're an American, you have no right to complain about living standards

More people have it worse

[heady jungle]

^

[frosty spoke]

If you can only think of the bad things the union did (especially things it removed) you shouldn't debate about it

[frosty spoke]

This is not the trauma Olympics

[robust zinc]

And regarding your negative views on capitalism?

[heady jungle]

^

[robust zinc]

The USSR did some cool things too, but man did the west just do way more

I don't remember the USSR producing intel or amd chips

[frosty spoke]

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/27-year-old-who-couldnt-afford-1200-insulin-copay-dies-after-trying-cheaper-version

[robust zinc]

Perfectly normal

[heady jungle]

Lmfao

[robust zinc]

Medicine is a privilege not a natural right

[heady jungle]

Fox News

Its Right biased lmfao

[frosty spoke]

Once again I fucking live in the country,and I (in my objectively superior opinion of the current economic status due to me living here) will tell you 1,200 a month is ABSURD

[heady jungle]

Just get financially literate and combat it

[robust zinc]

Dude it's a month

[heady jungle]

Skill issue

[robust zinc]

That's like 30 dollars a day

[frosty spoke]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/insuluin-prices-diabetes-alec-smith-b1972475.html

[robust zinc]

Perfectly fine for american

[heady jungle]

And how many months are there in a year?

[robust zinc]

12

You guys have high wages anyway

[heady jungle]

1,200x12=?

[robust zinc]

So skill issue

[heady jungle]

Nope

[robust zinc]

Homie wdym no

[heady jungle]

15-18 isn’t a high wage

[frosty spoke]

Now i now none of you dudes read the ARTICLE

[heady jungle]

34 is

[robust zinc]

We only get paid 400 usd here

[robust zinc]

Some guy just died

I don't see why I need to dive deeper into the details

[heady jungle]

How is it our fault that 3 insulin competitors drive up the proce?

[robust zinc]

Exactly

Not even capitalism

[heady jungle]

FDA can’t do shit to regulate it

[robust zinc]

Capitalism dislikes big corp monopolies

So shitting om capitalism with the use of monopolies as an example is just plain dumb

[frosty spoke]

After some quick reasearch,it appears that it's literally more than his car payments

[robust zinc]

Okay, then get rid of the car?

[frosty spoke]

You have literally no clue about how the economy is down here

[heady jungle]

^

[heady jungle]

Down here?

Boy, which state

[robust zinc]

Even McDonald's employee can afford that

[frosty spoke]

For a system that hates big corp monopolies,it sure does have alot of big Corp monopolies

[robust zinc]

That's because it's not capitalist

[frosty spoke]

You have to also factor in all his other payments

[robust zinc]

I hate to break it to you man, real capitalism hadn't been tried yet

[heady jungle]

^

[robust zinc]

We only have fractions of it

[robust zinc]

And the fragments that do exist are the best

[heady jungle]

11 companies that owns all

[robust zinc]

Imagine a 100 percent capitalist society

[frosty spoke]

Rent payments,car payments,heating bills,water bills, etc

[heady jungle]

I assure you

There are no monopoly#ies

[heady jungle]

Just get a better credit score

Skill issue

Like i said

Not many americans are financially literate

[robust zinc]

At least in the US you have a choice

[frosty spoke]

It's because real capitalism always devolves into "cronyism" or what ever copium charged term you conservatives use

[heady jungle]

Get rich or stay broke

[robust zinc]

Dude no lol

Capitalism calls for no state at all

[frosty spoke]

It's like the choice between drowning or burning

[heady jungle]

Nah

There’s definitely an in-between

Ohio

[frosty spoke]

And if it isn't real capitalism,why tf are you still defending it

[robust zinc]

It's just a fragment

But it still works

My stand is I wanna make it full blown capitalism

Instead of it into degenerating into state support communism

[frosty spoke]

The government literally drives people away from financial literacy

[heady jungle]

Nah

[robust zinc]

Yeah so blame the govt

[heady jungle]

They just dont teach it

[robust zinc]

Not the companies lol

[heady jungle]

Hence forth

You

thepeople

Need to say

[frosty spoke]

Think about this:mindless drones are more profitable

[robust zinc]

Lol no

[heady jungle]

** AYO FUCKIN EDUCATION GIMME DIS CLASS OR IMA FUCK U UP**

[robust zinc]

Guy hasn't heard about marketing yet

[frosty spoke]

So they create something that is as close as possible

[robust zinc]

Dumb people can't make choices on what products to buy

[frosty spoke]

So why is the government making mindless drones

[heady jungle]

I hope you realize, that our education system, is NOWHERE near the finnish education system

[robust zinc]

Because the government doesn't give a shit about profits

[frosty spoke]

Any intelligent person can fall to brainwashing

[heady jungle]

They are lazy fucks just filibustering to get paid

[cerulean gust]

They don’t?

[robust zinc]

How is advertising brainwashing

[heady jungle]

^

[frosty spoke]

They don't?

[robust zinc]

They've got taxes

[heady jungle]

Fights a war over taxes

[frosty spoke]

Ask Tim cook

[heady jungle]

And yet pays taxes

WHAT THE FUCK

[cerulean gust]

Taxes and all those other things like idk tariffs or something

[heady jungle]

Who?

[frosty spoke]

Lazy people are a myth.

[heady jungle]

Nah

Real fact

[robust zinc]

Governments can afford to be inefficient since they can just bleed people dry with taxes

[heady jungle]

^

[robust zinc]

Private companies do not have this luxury

[frosty spoke]

Exactly,you don't actually know anything about how it is here

[robust zinc]

And as such forces them to be competitive

[cerulean gust]

Anyways I assume this forum post had imploded into utter lunacy judging by the tittle

[robust zinc]

Lol it's true

[heady jungle]

Oi, american, which fookin par of the damn states are ye from?!

[robust zinc]

Imagine justifying laziness 💀

[frosty spoke]

Instead the private company evades taxes

[heady jungle]

Yes

[robust zinc]

As it should be

[cerulean gust]

☕

[heady jungle]

Bc they know how to not pay taxes by deductions

[robust zinc]

Taxes harm profits

[robust zinc]

Which in turn harms efficiency

[heady jungle]

In turn

[cerulean gust]

Plus loopholes in government legislation

[heady jungle]

Harms jobs

[cerulean gust]

It happens (shockingly)

[heady jungle]

Eeeexactly

[robust zinc]

Products would be cheaper if there are no taxes involved

[heady jungle]

Now

[frosty spoke]

Humans naturally seek out (useful and healthy work) nobody wants to camp at home and collect welfare all day.

[heady jungle]

Bc wellfare pay is fucking shit pay

[cerulean gust]

So true my friend

[robust zinc]

That's socialism for you

[cerulean gust]

Tbh socialism or not, I don’t care about it

[frosty spoke]

Elaborate

[cerulean gust]

As long as the government does a good job of governing and being competent

[robust zinc]

Capitalism doesn't have welfare

[cerulean gust]

That is for me

[robust zinc]

Every man for himself

[heady jungle]

You need to create one for yourself

[frosty spoke]

Ever heard of unemployment?

[cerulean gust]

Aka fork out an unreasonable amount of cash to get it

[heady jungle]

Ever heard of getting off that ass and getting to work?

[heady jungle]

Eh

[frosty spoke]

That's Cannibalism.

[heady jungle]

Fork out 2% of income, invest, compund and voila

[cerulean gust]

Referring to the US healthcare or well modern healthcare in general

[frosty spoke]

Which in practice is synonymous with capitalism

[heady jungle]

FINANICALLY!! This guy lmao

[robust zinc]

Yeah that's the shitty part, if you think about it Governments are just corrupt large businesses

[cerulean gust]

Since healthcare is slowly getting unaffordable in where I live sometimes (I’m not an American)

[heady jungle]

Sucks

Paladin

What state u from?

[robust zinc]

Wtf?

How tf is that cannibalism

[cerulean gust]

I mean by that case, we are technically living under a corporate

[robust zinc]

Bro are you high

[cerulean gust]

So not far fetched

[robust zinc]

Pretty much

[cerulean gust]

We are all living under a British east India company fr

Well maybe not but point stands

[frosty spoke]

Not literal,but still a form of a degenerate society that works by people destroying eachother

[cerulean gust]

Yeah

[robust zinc]

Perfectly normal

Just like natural selection

[heady jungle]

which.. state… are…you… from???

[robust zinc]

Survival of the fittest

[pallid vigil]

Cap

[heady jungle]

the troll god has arrived

[frosty spoke]

AFK

[heady jungle]

BRO IS DITCHING ME 🤣

[pallid vigil]

Rly just an American issue

[robust zinc]

True

[frosty spoke]

He said every man for himself

[robust zinc]

Not a capitalist issue

[robust zinc]

Yeah and that's perfect

[heady jungle]

financially speaking ofc

[pallid vigil]

K that’s normal, individualism

[heady jungle]

^

[pallid vigil]

That’s how the West be

[robust zinc]

Lol it'd so funny if you live a life just because of the government

That's so pathetic

[pallid vigil]

Looks at China

[robust zinc]

Imagine owing your existence to rhe state

I don't think Paladin embraces the concept of freedom

He places the state above it

[pallid vigil]

That’s authoritarianism or nationalism

I think

[cerulean gust]

The first one

[robust zinc]

Yeah he's pretty much that guy

[cerulean gust]

Authoritarianism is pretty grey

[robust zinc]

Nationalism still is bound to the state

[cerulean gust]

If you do it well like Singapore, rewards be pretty good

[cerulean gust]

Ehh yeah

[robust zinc]

Nationalism is the idea, authoritarianism is the structure

[cerulean gust]

Hmm

[robust zinc]

It largely boils down on how efficient the hierarchy is

[robust zinc]

Whether it be top down or a bottom up structure

The problem is when you mix dogma into it

[cerulean gust]

True

Won’t deny that

Most autocratic governments collapse once the egos of the rulers get inflated or well

Damaged

[heady jungle]

Yeah

[frosty spoke]

If it's every man for himself,why don't I nuke earth to shit and hide away in a bunker for the rest of my life?

[frosty spoke]

Wdym cap

[robust zinc]

Perfectly fine

It's your free will anyway

[frosty spoke]

Do you agree with the actions?

[robust zinc]

Anything really

[pallid vigil]

Cus you can’t?

[robust zinc]

So long as I also have the choice to reject it

[pallid vigil]

It’s a lie

[frosty spoke]

But if I could...why not? It's every man for himself

[pallid vigil]

But you can’t

[robust zinc]

Yeah you could

I don't care at all

[frosty spoke]

@robust zinc would you nuke the earth to shit and hide away in a bunker? Yes or no.

[pallid vigil]

Granted doing it is impossible

[robust zinc]

I wouldn't

[pallid vigil]

There’s times when you’d be close to

But no

[robust zinc]

But I'm perfectly fine if anybody wants to

[frosty spoke]

Well why are you saying every man for himself if you wouldn't do something of the sort?

[robust zinc]

So long as they too are also perfectly fine that I'd stop them

[pallid vigil]

He’s choosing to not do it

[robust zinc]

You do know that man can still be selfish without having the need to harm others

[frosty spoke]

Then why is he saying "every man for himself"?

[pallid vigil]

Because that’s how the world can be

[frosty spoke]

Then don't say "every man for himself".

[pallid vigil]

People prioritizing themselves over others

[robust zinc]

Wdym no

It's valid

Bruh do you even know what being selfish means

[frosty spoke]

If I were to do that right now,I would be following your logic.

The statement itself lacks nuance

Why speak a savage narrative if you reject savage people?

[robust zinc]

I'm pretty sure everybody understands that sentence perfectly well

[robust zinc]

How is it savage if I just let people do what they will