Insert your controversial opinion here

[viral oasis]

to be fair the rhodesians were very competent, the Front have an interesting video on it

[light moat]

Could also be Catholic if hes from the Western American area

[high parrot]

Western americans believe in drag queens or buffalos

[light moat]

No thats great plains

[high parrot]

True

I mean LA is in the west

[light moat]

La is an exception

[high parrot]

Oh you got them wurst

[light moat]

Its like west berlin in east Germany

[high parrot]

Oh noes

[high parrot]

Mmm...

Moderate poverty

[high parrot]

Stalin did wrong

[remote hazel]

Nah you can’t take it back

What’s said is done

[high parrot]

It's photoshop

You have no way to prove I said, you just photoshopped it

[remote hazel]

Nah it’s real

Can’t believe he loves Stalin

[high parrot]

It's photshopped

[remote hazel]

Nah it’s legit

[high parrot]

I'm not from L.A or moscow

[remote hazel]

You’re from the GDR

Says it there

[light moat]

Dayum

[high parrot]

It's just fun little event

[remote hazel]

I miss that event already

[light moat]

Western Americans believe in Clint Eastwood

And Cows

And their good ol gun

[light moat]

Nah thats Germany

[high parrot]

Let's work together and re-create the event

:>

[azure barn]

The Holocaust probably didn't involve 6 million Jews

[high parrot]

Yeah it involved 12 million

[queen thorn]

Stalin was actually pretty competent diplomacy wise

[remote hazel]

Funny you mentioned that

[queen thorn]

Reliability and spare parts

[bold lodge]

jeffrie epstin didn't kill himself

there you have it

[high parrot]

So...

YOu gonna do it?

[remote hazel]

Have u checked the #📢・event-announcements

[high parrot]

Yes

So you gonna become a event organiser

Oh wait you are

Return the old glory of the event

[sly trail]

molotov ribbentrop

[queen thorn]

Mhm

The idea was for the Soviets to be able to expand without much interference while the Fascists and Capitalists drain each other

In that aspect the Soviets made significant territorial expansion

[sly trail]

at the cost of... over 20 million soviets

[queen thorn]

?

I'm talking before barb

[sly trail]

barb was only possible with the molotov ribbentrop

[queen thorn]

I really don't see how molotov ribbentrop was bad for the Soviets.

[sly trail]

it allowed the nazis to build up before invading them

if they'd fought them day one they'd get poland via occupation and probably more

[queen thorn]

The Soviets wanted Germans and the Allies to eat each other so they can expand their ideologies sooo

[sly trail]

they could of done that without getting half of their industrial capacity occupied

like...

come on

they would've won an early war

[queen thorn]

I really don't think it would end up well for the Soviets in the long run

At all

Even assuming they do win

[sly trail]

I mean the soviets didn't end well in general

[queen thorn]

Fair enough. But if you think the allies would tolerate Germany under Soviet control

🙂

[sly trail]

half of it, the brits and french would also be at war

and the french army would still be quite big so...

[queen thorn]

Which means...

Yeah.

[high parrot]

Tuna fish

[queen thorn]

Stalins policy of letting the two sides dry each other out was more than justifiable for the time

[queen thorn]

No fish

[steep pine]

Parties should be abolished in favor of who can break the other's ankles first

Either on a playing field or with a baseball bat

[fair hearth]

Ishhhh

I remember reading an article back then on how the F-35s single engine design isn't that much of an issue considering how reliable it is compared to older engines

A trend which is mostly true for newer aircraft engines

But then I can't speak much for the A-10

As for spare parts

Well I have no idea how huge the difference is between maintaining a stealth aircraft vs a conventional one

But it could be argued that the F-35 saves on resources by combining the capabilities of 4 different airframes to just one aircraft

[fair hearth]

Not really

The Germans got crazy lucky in France

iirc Stalin went like "wtf" after hearing the Germans won that fast XD

It's actually a pretty good move for the Soviets

They got a huge chunk of territory

You could also argue that the extra space the soviets had bought them time and made German logistics worse in Barb

[dark estuary]

facist italy can be justified

[light moat]

Wdym

[sly trail]

[dark estuary]

the italians didnt even care about mussanlini when the allied forces landed

[light moat]

They used gas

[sly trail]

that's not even true

[light moat]

Not rlly

[dark estuary]

the citizens didnt care

[sly trail]

Yes they did

[light moat]

He was not as popular but still very relevant

[sly trail]

A lot of them were either pro or anti

[dark estuary]

there were reports of citizens handing gifts to allied soldiers

[sly trail]

Yes... because not everyone were fascists

[dark estuary]

exactly

[light moat]

Thats because they didnt like mussolini not because they didn't care

[sly trail]

How is it justified then?

[dark estuary]

lemmee rephrase that

[light moat]

The Italians used mustard gas in ww2

[dark estuary]

they can be justified because citizens didnt care or were affected by mussolini's actions, unlike stalins purge

[sly trail]

They definitely were affected

and it affected other populations

especially in the final years of the regime

[dark estuary]

do you not notice the words citizens

[sly trail]

where they'd burn down entire villages

[light moat]

The citzens weren't affected by a facist dictatorship that took part in a war changing the lives pf many?

[dark estuary]

I didnt know that

[sly trail]

they were drafted in wars, sent to die for a cause most of them probably didn't even believe in

[light moat]

^^^

[sly trail]

how is that justified?

[dark estuary]

well...they werent forcefully drafted, unlike citizens of the soviet union

[light moat]

Caught in 4k

[dark estuary]

or at least I-

ohhh

ok

you know what

[sly trail]

Ah yes, you could either show up or... be shot

yayyy

so much choice

[dark estuary]

ok...

yea

you definatly win this debat

gtg

[sly trail]

[light moat]

Cya

I mean you cant really expect to win a debate where you explain how a fascist dictatorship is justified

[dark estuary]

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[azure barn]

Agreed

[sly trail]

Yes murdering people for no good reason is justified

[light moat]

Here we go again

[azure barn]

"No reason"

[sly trail]

Yes, literally no reason

[light moat]

No GOOD reason

[sly trail]

for either not agreeing, being of a different ethnicity or not wanting to die

[azure barn]

Of course I wouldn't support their genocide in Ethiopia but the Fascist state overall was better than both socialism and liberalism.

[azure barn]

Enforcement of ideology isn't all bad

[sly trail]

until you get shot

[light moat]

Kinda ironic since Mussolini tried to escape military service

[sly trail]

yeah three times

[azure barn]

I'm not a socialist

[sly trail]

You don't need to be a socialist to be killed by mussolini

[light moat]

Why yes shoot people that aren't fascist

Totally not bad

[azure barn]

I know but my point is that he was an effective ruler. Not always moral or just but effective.

[sly trail]

Effective?

How was he effective?

[azure barn]

The right wing of today is weak and does nothing but capitulate to the left. I do not support genocide or murder but you gotta admit that Mussolini won total political control in Italy and crushed his enemies. That's not bad.

[light moat]

He was popular in his early years but not that effective

[sly trail]

That's why he was overthrown?

[azure barn]

That's what happens when you lose a world war

[sly trail]

He was overthrown by the king though

[azure barn]

He was an effective statesman at first

[sly trail]

[azure barn]

Because he lost the war

[sly trail]

the majority of soldiers didn't join his side

[light moat]

He was effective at seizing power not too sure at being a statesmen

[sly trail]

partisans rose up and Mussolini gave up Italy to the germans

[azure barn]

Because he was pretty much a German puppet at that point

[sly trail]

Also if you want your right wing to be a totalitarian economic shithole then sure

[azure barn]

Authoritarian. Not totalitarian.

[sly trail]

he was totalitarian

quite literally

kind of his whole thing

nothing outside, nothing against the state

[azure barn]

He gave some freedoms to the church. I'm not saying I'm a fascist or that I support everything that Mussolini did but some things he did right.

[sly trail]

Ah yesm by arresting priests

[azure barn]

By creating the Vatican

[sly trail]

it already existed dumbass

he recognised it

[azure barn]

Yeah, and he made sure it was an independent entity. I'm Catholic. Of course it existed before Mussolini.

[light moat]

He cracked down on any opposition

[sly trail]

No, he recognised that it was an independent city

[azure barn]

Based ngl

[light moat]

And declared all political parties illegal

[sly trail]

Including many priests who were against the regime

[azure barn]

Entity City same thing

[azure barn]

Based

[sly trail]

You're stupid

[azure barn]

You stand up for your enemies

[light moat]

Are you like 10?

[azure barn]

Average liberal be like

[sly trail]

Yes, they have a right to say what they want

you're either stupid or willfully ignorant

[azure barn]

Enlightenment ideals are pretty retarded

[sly trail]

until you get arrested

then suddenly you'll like having toes

[light moat]

They laid the ground work for the majority of modern Europe

[azure barn]

Rights existed before the enlightenment lol

[light moat]

And even the US

[azure barn]

Yeah. Modern Europe sucks.

[light moat]

And South america

[sly trail]

human rights were not a thing no

[azure barn]

Sadly

[sly trail]

[light moat]

Yk that includes facist italy right

[azure barn]

Human dignity existed. You must have a flawed interpretation of the medieval age.

[sly trail]

top 3 countries per development

[azure barn]

Yeah, even fascism has many modernist and enlightenment elements.

[sly trail]

Ah yes, the dignity of being burned alive for being a jew

[light moat]

For non minorities

[sly trail]

and not giving a confession was a crime

[azure barn]

In Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella you could be a Jew if you didn't try to convert any Christian. You definitely have a flawed view of the middle ages.

[azure barn]

Based

[light moat]

Were taking about Italy tho

[sly trail]

I'm not talking about isolated cases

[light moat]

And Germany now

[azure barn]

That was the norm lol.

[sly trail]

no it was not

[azure barn]

Now we're talking about the merits of the enlightenment I guess

[sly trail]

So you don't think people have a right to be innocent?

[azure barn]

It most certainly was. Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries not because Europe was evil and anti semetic but because their customs, usury, go against the laws of those nations.

[sly trail]

they weren't just kicked out

and it still doesn't make it ok

[azure barn]

Innocent until proven guilty was in large part put into place because of Saint Louis IX. A medieval monarch.

[azure barn]

Don't break the law don't get removed from the country

[sly trail]

that's why "witches" for example were tortured for a confession

[sly trail]

some laws are unjust

[azure barn]

Witchcraft certainly exists and not many people were imprisoned for being bewitched, contrary to what modern history curriculum suggests.

[azure barn]

I'm referring to laws against usury

[sly trail]

Not all jews were bankers

[azure barn]

Yes. That's not the only reason as to why they were removed. Have you ever heard of the Jewish sacrifices of North Italy?

There are many Catholic child martyrs who were killed by Jews for sacrifice.

[sly trail]

they were not only imprisoned but murdered under false confessions

[sly trail]

what's next? the protocols of the elders of Zion? the jews started the plague?

[azure barn]

That did happen. Not every justice system is perfect. They didn't kill thousands of them though.

[light moat]

Alr back

[azure barn]

No, I'm just stating history. Not conspiracy theories.

[sly trail]

right... "history"

[light moat]

They used mustard gas on Ethiopia in ww2

[sly trail]

witches

he's saying the medieval justice system was better than today's because smth smth far right the jews

[light moat]

And Ethiopia used literal swords and spears with small tanks and tankettes and firearms

[sly trail]

@azure barn damn, "history" right?

[azure barn]

Bros using Wikipedia as a source 💀

[sly trail]

I'm using it as a definition

[light moat]

Whats wrong with wiki

Tho

[azure barn]

It literally happened

[azure barn]

It's not reliable at all

[sly trail]

your sources include king faisal of saudi arabia, nazi germany and the spanish inquisition

so wiki is more reliable than these nutjobs

[light moat]

For big events

Its actually accurate dor smaller events

For*

[azure barn]

No, but the Spanish Inquisition is valid.

[azure barn]

We've gotten off the Italian topic a while ago

[sly trail]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-sandwich-gordon-ramsay-what-are-you-gif-5280412

[azure barn]

https://youtu.be/aEOfQg2SP4U?si=ePoH0HSHJD0cs-8G

[sly trail]

Youtube as a source

[light moat]

What topic are we on rn the ?

Then*

[azure barn]

Yeah, he seems to have more historical insights than you do.

[azure barn]

Many things since you left

[light moat]

Well im back now

So whats the topic

[sly trail]

medieval repression of jews and other scapegoats

[light moat]

Alr

[azure barn]

"Scapegoats"

[light moat]

Jews always get repressed

[sly trail]

He's a frustrated reactionary

he doesn't even cite academic sources

[azure barn]

What's wrong with that? I'd trust a reactionary conservative over a secular liberal.

[sly trail]

He thinks they deserved it

[light moat]

WHAT

Thats bullshit

[sly trail]

he's not a conservative

[azure barn]

Why do you think Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries?

[azure barn]

Not a modern neoconservative no

[sly trail]

he's a russophilic integralist

[azure barn]

I haven't heard of integralism much

[sly trail]

and by Russophilic I mean pro putin, he doesn't give two shits about the Russian people

[sly trail]

[light moat]

Anti semitism

[azure barn]

I know that means pro Russia

[sly trail]

Because it's easy to blame someone else than to solve the fucking problem

[azure barn]

Why did they hate the Jews?

[sly trail]

read above

[azure barn]

They hated the Jews because they were anti semetic and they were anti semetic because they hated Jews. Circular reasoning.

[light moat]

Bc someone decides to blame a minority for the problems of a nation and the jews end up blamedthe most

[azure barn]

Totally not because they cause many of the problems

[sly trail]

No, something bad happened, since they didn't have functioning model of the world they blamed it on a small group of individuals who seemed to be better off than them

[light moat]

What caused their anti semitism

[sly trail]

"you believe in something else than I do so you are a problem and must be murdered, tortured and kicked out"

[azure barn]

They weren't ignorant to how the world worked lol

[sly trail]

yes they were

your average peasant couldn't even read

[azure barn]

You are not enlightened compared to them

[sly trail]

I know how to read

[azure barn]

Yet they understood the world better than you

[sly trail]

Let me check if they managed to put a rocket on the moon real quick

[azure barn]

The first rocket was created the Nazis you think are backwards

[light moat]

Blud they thought the earth was the center of the universe

What are u talking about

[light moat]

First rocket was Chinese

[sly trail]

No? that's the first guided missile. And nazis were not backwards, they were quite modern in their violence and hate

[azure barn]

No. That was disproven back in the 1100s and widely accepted to by false.

[sly trail]

*widely accepted by the academia

not by the peasants

[light moat]

Back in the 1100s??!!

[azure barn]

And the church

[sly trail]

the church counted as academia back then

[azure barn]

Yeah? They started going off of Greek models of the universe around then.

[sly trail]

jesus christ you don't know shit about medieval society

[azure barn]

And the peasants were expected to adhere to church teaching.

[sly trail]

the mass was given in latin

[azure barn]

Not the homilies

[sly trail]

that's post middle age

[light moat]

They had the first rocket

The Chinese had the first rocket

May have not been a space rocket

But had a rocket

[azure barn]

Homilies were a part of the mass during the middle ages

[sly trail]

oops

no it wasn't

moron

And it was anglican

not catholic

so your point doesn't even make sense

and proves as stated before that you do not know what you are talking about

[azure barn]

Do you know what a homily is

[sly trail]

yes

[azure barn]

Then you'd know that they've been in the church far before the 1500s

[sly trail]

besides you haven't even prove that medieval peasants knew they weren't the centre of the universe

[light moat]

Indeed and they had no idea until the scientific revolution

[sly trail]

but they didn't talk about the earth not being the centre of the universe

so let's recap what you've said so far:
Jews deserved to be killed and kicked out
Jews kill (christian) babies
Witchcraft is real and witches got what they deserved
Fascist Italy was great
Medieval peasants had a better model of the universe than we do today

[light moat]

[sly trail]

[light moat]

Imma guess that he left

[sly trail]

he's still on the server (until he gets banned that is)

[light moat]

Ik i meant left the conversation

[azure barn]

I don't care that they didn't know advanced physics. They had a better world view and understood the nature of humanity better because it was centered around God and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition. Of course we understand the natural world better now but they better understood the supernatural. I don't know if you guys value that or not though.

[azure barn]

Murder isn't justified but Jews are not completely innocent as many believe.
It was / is real.
Fascist Italy isn't great or ideal but it was better than the decedent west.
They have a better world view. Not a better scientific model.

[sly trail]

Ok kid drink your milk and go to bed

[azure barn]

What kind of response is that? I wouldn't expect anything else from someone who looks up to a revolutionary tbh.

[sly trail]

Someone who doesn't want to waste their time with someone who will be banned within the following weeks

[light moat]

Here we go again round 3

[azure barn]

Oh well. Why does everyone get so worked up over the Jewish question?

[azure barn]

Speaking of censorship

[sly trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-ellie-talk-to-the-trunk-mammoth-talk-to-the-hand-gif-23944655

[sly trail]

it's not public property

[jade skiff]

I hope you don't mind living in a concentration camp

[jade skiff]

If he was such an effective ruler why did he get overthrown?

[crisp lantern]

Hitler and Stalin were effective…

[azure barn]

That tends to happen when you lose a world war

[azure barn]

Mussolini was much different than those two

[azure barn]

Why is this always the response to the right wing actually using authority to win in politics?

[ornate imp]

5th New York Volunteer Infantry

Louisana Zouava Tigers

[crisp lantern]

Both were effective tho

[azure barn]

Not those Zouaves

[azure barn]

I get your point. Not every effective leader is moral or good.

[ornate imp]

best Zouaves

[crisp lantern]

Mussolini had the potential to be a force for good (or at least good-ish). Historian AJP Taylor says that he was pretty much 50/50 about which side he would be on (Britain/France or Germany), but he ended up chosing Hitler

I think he could have ended up good, but he didnt go that way

[azure barn]

I can agree to that. He could have defended Engelbert Dollfuss and Austria from the Nazis but didn't and became a near puppet to the Germans. He wasn't all bad but definitely not all good either.

[remote hazel]

Ethiopia got him kicked out of the Stresa Front

And kinda ended it

[light moat]

well i guess i missed round 4

[azure barn]

It ended amicably this time and wasn't a long heated debate like I had with you and the other guy

[light moat]

the short end

to a long war

[azure barn]

Indeed. Pretty much because I conceded that Mussolini has some good things about him and not so good things about him.

[jade skiff]

1. Right wing aren't always oppressive assholes
2. If it's okay to jail and kill your opponents and in general strongarm your politics, why do you hate socialism so much? They also liked those methods of gaining power

[jade skiff]

Well it was his fault for not properly preparing his nation for it, taking a side of Germany, expanding themwar by invading Greece, and begginning the Holocaust after being reinstated to power by Nazis, not to mention that his persecution of opponents is what led to armed partisans capturing him the second time and killing him

[fair hearth]

The fuck is this take

It'd be funny as shit if we could just ban you for such a bullshit opinion

[jade skiff]

Because most of the time they were a convenient scapegoat, a minority of people with different religion and culture to the majority, and the one that was institutionally established to be hostile by the Church.

[quick surge]

Pin material

[quick surge]

FBI OPEN UP

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[inner mortar]

watch him run the gauntlet lol

[high parrot]

I think hilter just wanted a glass of juice

[viral oasis]

then i‘ll just force you into sillism

[azure barn]

Because socialists are the enemy?

[azure barn]

Which would only prove my point further

[jade skiff]

You share the methods of governance

[fair hearth]

So you're fine with us banning you

[azure barn]

Sharing governance with those who hate everything I value doesn't seem like the best idea

[azure barn]

If this be a liberal server then yeah

[jade skiff]

Huh, really, who would've thought!

[azure barn]

Yeah, so I don't see the issue with winning in politics and beating your enemies

[broken lagoon]

"Aw man i cant believe they hate my facist ideals, it only killed what? Millions of people?"

[fair hearth]

Das crazy bro, what better way to sow dissent among the populace by creating an oppressive regime

[azure barn]

Liberalism and communism have killed far more

[fair hearth]

Sooner or later such system of non compliance would collapse

[azure barn]

We already have that

[fair hearth]

This machiavellian mode of leadership is outdated as shit

[broken lagoon]

Liberalism didnt, but communism did but you know thats a mute point right? Because the only reason they killed more was bc facism lasted less

[jade skiff]

And no one even counted how many were killed under monarchism!

[fair hearth]

Bro must have read The Prince once and then proclaim it like holy bible of politics!

[azure barn]

I think you're confusing national socialism with fascism. And yes, liberalism has killed the most people out of all of these ideologies.

[remote hazel]

is he a commie or smth?

[broken lagoon]

One, define liberalism, 2 where are the statistic, e nacional socialism and facism are virtually the same thing

[fair hearth]

The Fascists of Mussolini still resorted to terror tactics to antagonize their opponents

[jade skiff]

He literally defended Holocaust

[fair hearth]

What a peaceful society

[broken lagoon]

He is a facist

[remote hazel]

where?

[fair hearth]

Ehhhhhh not really

The Italian fascists didn't place a huge emphasis on the jews unlike National socialism

[jade skiff]

Like scroll up and you'll see where he was talking about Jews allegedly sarcaficing babies

[broken lagoon]

He also mentioned that jews were at fault for what happened to them or smth like that

[fair hearth]

Imagine justifying mass murder

Very crazy take for anyone to take

It must have taken more than two brain cells to come up with that one

[jade skiff]

"Liberalism killed far more"

[fair hearth]

The Nazis managed to kill tens of millions in the span of a few years

Crazy shit if you ask me

[azure barn]

Abortion alone has killed more people world wide than fascism and communism combined

[azure barn]

I'm not defending that

[jade skiff]

Not every liberal democracy permits abortions

[fair hearth]

Dying has killed more people too!

[azure barn]

Allegedly?

[fair hearth]

That's so bullshit

Abortion is not a stupid ideology

[jade skiff]

You literally provided no evidence

Nor i could find any

[fair hearth]

@jade skiff could you link us the messages about his defense of the holocaust

[broken lagoon]

Here is one of them, basically saying that the jews brough their abuse over the centuries on themselves @fair hearth

And if you scroll up from there

Yeah it gets progressively worse

[jade skiff]

Okay, i probably exadurated, but he had comments like these

[fair hearth]

Being locked up in moms basements surely does crazy things to a person

[azure barn]

Not every fascist government committed genocide

[broken lagoon]

Yes they did

Lmao

[azure barn]

Really good argument

[fair hearth]

Not an argument

Dumbass

[jade skiff]

.

[fair hearth]

It's a statement

[azure barn]

Federal State of Austria would beg to differ. I'm not even a fascist lol.

[fair hearth]

Learn the difference

[jade skiff]

Yet every single one heavily persecuted any opposition with inhumate methods

Name me the one that didn't

[azure barn]

Not necessarily. Nationalist Spain and Austria did it right.

[fair hearth]

He's just an edgy kid who thinks inhumane acts should be legalized

Imagine being against abortion but supporting the holocaust

Like

[jade skiff]

Nationalist Spain, really

[fair hearth]

Where the fuck is the consistency here?

[azure barn]

Never said I supported the Holocaust. Where are you even getting this?

[azure barn]

100%

[remote hazel]

cap

Looks at the Basque

[fair hearth]

Crazy victim mentality here bro

[azure barn]

I probably would've been killed by the NatSocs tbh

[broken lagoon]

That is not a high bar

[jade skiff]

Haven't you heard of what Francoists did after the war?

And during?

[azure barn]

Yeah. Killed the communists who raped nuns and murdered priests.

[fair hearth]

Murder is the solution!

[jade skiff]

And how many of those do you think were actually guilty?

[remote hazel]

The Nationalists executed 100k men

they had a thing called the "White Terror"

[remote hazel]

Please tell me ur joking with this

[broken lagoon]

Yikes

[fair hearth]

What a denial

[broken lagoon]

So much for "not being a facist"

[fair hearth]

And he says he doesn't support the holocaust

[broken lagoon]

The dude fr fr has contradicting arguments

[fair hearth]

Blatant liar

[remote hazel]

like idk since it says "Controversial Opinions" and he could've been meming

but if not, that's fucked

[broken lagoon]

I think

[fair hearth]

He's fucking not

[broken lagoon]

This channel has to go

Like

[fair hearth]

Any person memeing wouldnt go to such lengths in a convo

They'd drop it immediately

[broken lagoon]

Yeah

[azure barn]

Are you denying that the allies committed war crimes as well? No ideology is prefect and I don't condone murdering everyone I disagree with. Nationalist Spain is still preferable to the allies.

[fair hearth]

Wow wow when did I say this

Get your glasses cleaned

[azure barn]

You didn't. I'm saying every nation in WW2 committed atrocities and I don't support everything that any side did.

[fair hearth]

Then why the fuck did you ask if I was

[dusty idol]

seththepaleocon55 has been banned

Reason: Genocide Denial

[broken lagoon]

Yep

[fair hearth]

Kek

Savage tree griffin

[remote hazel]

Savage Tree Griffin

[fair hearth]

Also wtf is this bruh

[broken lagoon]

One more fascist bites the dust

[fair hearth]

Blud just said strongarming political opponents is fine

[remote hazel]

he was backed into a corner

[fair hearth]

Then says he doesn't support murder which is contrary to his belief

[remote hazel]

this

[broken lagoon]

Dude not only that makes no sense as nobody brought the allies but himself, but that is basically standard wehraboo behaivour to downplay and even outright justify nazi attrocities

[fair hearth]

And tbf, allied warcrimes pale in comparison to the systematic and industrial murder the Nazis exercised

[broken lagoon]

Yeah

[fair hearth]

The entire regime supported itself on a foundation of hate and tolerated violence to sustain it

No sane person would defend the Nazis

[broken lagoon]

Like yeah nobody denies that the allies did warcrime but that is whatabaoutism at is finest cause in no way shape or form we ever brought up the allies powers, and besides that they are not comparable to nazi attrocities in the slightest

[light moat]

Lmao

[broken lagoon]

Fascists get the boot lmao

@fair hearth @remote hazel i still think it should be a good idea to like archive this channel to avoid future issues like this one

[fair hearth]

Yeah I have the same thoughts as well, this channel quickly gets out of hand when there are no mods around

Pretty epic bait channel ngl and something to kill the boredom XD

[broken lagoon]

Lmao

True

[remote hazel]

why did BlueBubba make this

[light moat]

I love seeing online extremists get kicked

[broken lagoon]

He probably thought that it would be like small things yk like "o i think the F15 is overrated" or smth

[broken lagoon]

I love seeing extremists get kicked irl

[remote hazel]

yeah I love kicking them irl(On LiveLeak)

[fair hearth]

Bro wasn't even an extremist

He's a casual defending extremist ideologies 💀

Pathetic as shit

Like goddammit, if you want to choose such a controversial and unpopular take at least be well versed in it

The world isn't kind to idiots

[quick surge]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[lavish field]

Mfers will really say “but the allies did war crimes 2!!!1!1” like no shit Sherlock it’s almost like it’s hard to keep a massive army under control during an invasion of another country

[queen thorn]

I think the Hungarians get too much hate for what they got in ww2

They were promised coastal lines of Yugoslavia when they entered the war yet were refused later on

[remote hazel]

They tried jumping ship, and failed

[light moat]

Where do you find them

[broken lagoon]

I got

Connections

[sly trail]

He's gone, he lasted less than I thought he would

[remote hazel]

There’s another one in fireside

[sly trail]

who is it?

[plucky root]

hungarian people and flags on the beach is such a cursed thought

[jade skiff]

They still got most of Transilvania, Southern Slovakia and Banovina though

[inner mortar]

Crusader fascists moment

[quick surge]

How about this one I strongly stand by

KGB > MOSSAD > CIA

[inner mortar]

where'd you put the rest of the world's toptier espionage agencies?

as of 1990

[remote hazel]

Personally the Brotherhood of Assassins beats them all

[inner mortar]

who'd win in Classical Antiquity:
Prince of Persia Assassins or Brotherhood of Assassins

[light moat]

What about Crypteia

[quick surge]

Hmmm lets see
The elite club: KGB, MOSSAD
The Great club: CIA, FSB, MI6, RAW
The Good club: NSA, CSIS
The Meh club: ABIN, ISI

Obvsiouly there are a lot ive left out but off the top of my head

[light moat]

W RAW

[quick surge]

The Nine Unknown were much better

[light moat]

ISI is pakistan right?

[quick surge]

Yep

[light moat]

aight

[light moat]

never heard of them imma do some reasearcg

research*

[quick surge]

If you go till there, then I would say probs Task force 141 beats

That is ofc, without Shephard

[light moat]

9 unknown are Mauryan right?

[fair hearth]

The local marites outperforms them all

[inner mortar]

the pambansang susans

[fair hearth]

When in doubt

Ask the security guard

[jade skiff]

Tf 141 was not an Intel agency tho

[queen thorn]

I'd agree if they were given Slovakia or full of Transilvania tbh

[jade skiff]

Hungarians were still given ways more than any other Hitler's allies in expense of those allies

[queen thorn]

I'd say this one goes to Italy actually

[quick surge]

It was sorta both ig?

Both intel and assassination

I mean depends if your taking in Laswell as a part of it

[jade skiff]

i always thought of it more as Spec ops combat unit akin to Delta Force

[quick surge]

So more of a secret services type?

[jade skiff]

That's what i always thought of

[inner mortar]

more of a covert ops than an espionage agency

if 141 was made to take down the most dangerous successor of Zakhaev, Kingfish

[crisp lantern]

I honestly love this channel

and I thought I believe some crazy stuff...

[fair hearth]

Tis channel a headache for the moderation team lol

[crisp lantern]

That means its fun for us lol

[fair hearth]

That also means we get to kick people for fun

[crisp lantern]

!1986

Whoops

!1984

[dusty idol]

Questioning the rules and arguing with mods is not allowed.

[fair hearth]

Ngl I have no idea if this rule is actually enforced XD

[crisp lantern]

Meh i dont like that

[dusty idol]

Your roles on this server do not allow you to use the AI commands.

Reach out to the server owner to know how to get an ai-authorized role or Unlock unlimited uses of this AI-based feature with a personal plan.

[fair hearth]

It isn't written but I've seen some mods mute people for complaining XD

[crisp lantern]

Im not complaining…

[queen thorn]

I have this feeling that it was made deliberately to root out a certain group of individuals

[stray magnet]

It’s amazing how no one has taken this down

Compared to what happened in that one USSR community post

[remote hazel]

We don’t talk about that

[sacred tundra]

XD

Personally I would prefer Moscow

They’ve got a magnificent metro there

[inner mortar]

bruh

[quick surge]

I just wanna see chemically made lenin

WHERE IS MY GDR ROLE

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sacred tundra]

Lol what role

[inner mortar]

the prior event's role

he misses the color so bad

[broken lagoon]

here is my controversial opinion

https://tenor.com/view/margaret-thatcher-heart-locket-margie-gif-19226821

[inner mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/yuan-shu-beloved-yuan-three-kingdoms-china-gif-24811440

[light moat]

https://tenor.com/view/p51-my-beloved-gif-12419501993946677304

[stray magnet]

Amen brother

[stray magnet]

Reduced to atoms

[quick surge]

It’s better than the current one I have

[inner mortar]

indeed it is
strive on bruv

[stable moon]

https://tenor.com/view/f15-my-beloved-f15my-beloved-gif-25732258

[steep pine]

Brandon Herrera should get the lost F-35

[viral oasis]

You‘re goddamn right

[steep pine]

without them he would go broke...

Same thing can be argued with communism

That it's human nature that ruined it

(I dont hold that opinion but if it can be applied to capitalism I think it could be applied to communism too)

[fair hearth]

Sell kidney

[light moat]

When i sold 1 kidney everyone sae me as a hero but they got mad when i sold 9 more

(jk jk)

[steep pine]

Don't sell kidney, go to Albania, lose both

Aside from that
The IDEA of the Freikorps was based

[inner mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ibdj-hehehehealloo-gif-23984234

[dark estuary]

wait what happened

[remote hazel]

Don’t worry about it

He’s dead

[dark estuary]

we dont take jokes here 😈

[remote hazel]

Then why r u here

[fair hearth]

Remove rule 2!

[dark estuary]

idk

whats that

I got warned for blaspamy cuz i posted memes in history discussion chats

[remote hazel]

No

[inner mortar]

amend rule 2?

• No suggestive generic anime discussions, and Japanese otaku cartoon artworks

after all, forsaken otakus must be justly tried

forsaken

[quick surge]

Just say “with an exception to Hentai”

And leave it like that

[inner mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban-gif-25968972

[inner mortar]

pretty much NSFAH

[remote hazel]

Can’t allow that

[inner mortar]

we gotta have to at least solve something and put the confusion to rest, no?

[remote hazel]

The solution is no anime

[fair hearth]

How about Ecchi

[opaque rose]

Panther F was a good tank.

[kind compass]

fuck the ira

people applaud the ira for getting irelands freedom,then the ira bombs innocent people in london,BUT WHEN WE DO THE SAME

[stray magnet]

Fun policing

So Joeover

[stray magnet]

Tl:dr, comment section become something reminiscent to that of a World war battlefield or the Yugoslav war, instead of violence it was over politcs and Soviet Union

[steep pine]

Best amendment since the 21st

[kind compass]

the british empire and prussia caused the most peace in europe

[light moat]

Just give em Northern ireland and then problem solved

Then its probably gonna be an Irish civil war then

[kind compass]

NEVER

[kind compass]

oh ok

[light moat]

Between protestants and catholics

[lavish field]

Irish civil war would be interesting to watch

[steep pine]

The 7 years war was the first world war, the great war was the second, ww2 was the third. The trilogy is over which is why we haven't had another one for a long itme

[kind compass]

What was the napoleonic wars bro

We on ww4

[light moat]

that wasnt really a world war unless you count the Haitian revolution, War of 1812, and British Invasion of Java

but still wasnt really that much of a world war

mostly stayed in Europe

[remote hazel]

Seven Years War bros

[light moat]

and Africa (Egypt)

French and Indian war is 1st world war for me

[inner mortar]

a world at war, but not a world war

[queen thorn]

Britain would be better off had they peaced out from WW2 after the French surrendered

[fair hearth]

How come?

Just letting Germany singlehandedly dominate all of Europe?

[queen thorn]

They would not lose the military bases to the US and probably get to keep their position as one of the great powers instead of losing their title to the US

[queen thorn]

There is still the Soviets though

[fair hearth]

Germany unlike the Soviets is geographically set to challenge British naval dominance. They already proved to be a lethal threat to British trade during the war even with a neglected Kriegsmarine, it's best to keep the pressure on Germany while it's still weak

[fair hearth]

British industry can never match the US

[queen thorn]

Sure.

Didn't really claim otherwise to begin with.

[fair hearth]

Still though

[queen thorn]

Britain post ww2 is a shadow of its former self and has given up most of its titles and signicifance to the US.

Not even mentioning the sort of destruction to their homeland caused by the Blitz.

[fair hearth]

A Britain aligned with Germany would just set them up against the US

The RN is just too much of an expensive force to maintain for a country the size of Britain

[inner mortar]

homegrown and tested, as is tradition

to pin the lucrative markets of the world from securing their home waters

should the traditions of the Royal Navy give credit to their prior precursors among the Normans or Norsemen and Saxons?

[queen thorn]

Well, they have been doing it before the war.

[queen thorn]

Not saying Britain will be aligned to Germany

[fair hearth]

Eventually they'd have to instead of having another naval arms race with Germany again

[queen thorn]

They could also be pulled to an alliance with the US in such context though

[quick surge]

That was one of the main reasons they tried to go with appeasement and it failed

His main focus was eliminating the Western front entirely so that everything is concentrated on the Eastern Front

[quick surge]

That is of course if by some miracle Oswald Mosley pulls off a Munich 2.0

[jade skiff]

Eh, BUF was never even a remotely powerful party though, i honestly don't know what should've happened for them to gain any political significance

[quick surge]

True, but then again in the early days no one considered NSDAP as a remotely powerful party did they?

Look how that turned out later on

[jade skiff]

NSDAP enjoyed steady and rapid growth, unlike BUF

[quick surge]

That is true mainly because NSDAP like the other radical political parties had the advantage of taking in people with the promise of bringing back Germany it’s former glory

BUF didn’t have any starting advantage

Also the growth of NSDAP truly started after Munich. The period of time between drexler and Munich 1923 was really a period where someone would just join in to have the opportunity to bear arms against the gov

It wasn’t proper substantive growth

That growth started after 1924 when they entered parliamentary politics

[jade skiff]

Those circumstances were unique to Germany though

[quick surge]

Exactly, which is the reason BUF didn’t take off. If the people don’t have a reason to hate the government and not support it, why would they revolt? In Germany they had tons, mainly because of Stressmann and TOV

That’s why it took off, that’s why Spartacists took off very early on as well

But the problem of Spartacists was that since Rosa Luxembourg died, the entire faction was completely unorganised

[queen thorn]

The main reason as to why totalitarianism rose in such countries to begin with was that they were either losers of the Great War or left the war deeply unsatisfied

[quick surge]

But we also can’t completely rule out BUF either. Because during that time, communism and other forms of right wing extremism was on the rise as well. So it would have just been a matter of time to see which extremist side would triumph

[queen thorn]

In this context only Turkey really didn't fall into becoming an aggressive totalitarian regime amongst the participants of WW1

[quick surge]

Bro forgot Mustafa Kemel

[queen thorn]

Kemal wasn't aggressive.

Nor totalitarian in the levels of his supposed counterparts

[queen thorn]

If Kemal was actually like aforementioned he would not have stopped at Thrace and would continue fighting the Greeks who now had their whole army in shambles after the great Turkish offensive at Asia Minor.

[steep pine]

Amen

[jade skiff]

Don't you think that's going a bit too much into hypotheticals?

[dark estuary]

Agreed

[steep pine]

The First Balkan War and the Second Balkan War

Were the same war

[queen thorn]

Wdym by this

[stray magnet]

Did I just get ghost pinged here

It says there was a ping here but I don’t see it

[quick surge]

Nah, it invisble that's it

[fair hearth]

Parthenon pinged

[quick surge]

Unlirise forged it tho

[tiny heath]

So just twr

[lofty jay]

Italy has never been effective in warfare since the Roman Empire, change my mind

[light moat]

Gods punishment to the antiquities of ancient rome was turning them into Italians

[lofty jay]

fr

[paper scaffold]

I'm no tankie, but I'd argue collectivisation and the Five Year Plans saved the Soviet Union in the long term.

Don't get me wrong. The Holodomor was absolutely shameful. But without the grain produced from the collectivised farms, there would have been no produce to sell to the West. Without Western capital, there wouldn't have been any way for the USSR to industrialise, at least not on the scale that it did. Without industrialisation, the Soviet Union would have just been a sitting duck for the Nazis. Stalin saw his brutal atrocities against the Russian and Ukrainian people as a necessary evil to ensure the USSR's continued survival. Whether or not you support his actions, at least you can understand why he chose to do it.

[dark estuary]

I'm no tankie, but I'd argue that the great leap forward saved the ccp in the long term.

Don't get me wrong. The Holodomor was absolutely shameful. But without the grain produced from the collectivised farms, there would have been no produce to sell to the West. Without Western capital, there wouldn't have been any way for the ccp to industrialise, at least not on the scale that it did. Without industrialisation, the ccp would have just been a sitting duck for the capitalists. Mazedong saw his brutal atrocities against the chinese people as a necessary evil to ensure the ccp continued survival. Whether or not you support his actions, at least you can understand why he chose to do it.

[paper scaffold]

Huh

[dark estuary]

same thing

if 5 year plan is justifieble, so is cultral rev

im split between your argument, and how western histoeians disribe the event

i agree with stalin

but also disagree

[paper scaffold]

Never said it was justified. I just argued that the USSR was never going to survive if they didn't.

Presenting another perspective doesn't necessarily mean I agree with that perspective.

I could easily say "Stalin bad" and call it a day, but a student of history should never fall into that trap.

[fair hearth]

Pretty sure the Cultural Revolution in China hurted the CCP more than it did. Plus errrrr the Cultural Revolution isn't some economic program

You might be thinking of the Great Leap Forward

Plus it's a pretty dumb take to think that the deaths of millions are necessary for economic growth when said manpower are the workers themselves

What Lord mentions about the USSR Five year plans does have some merit to it though. There is however the problem that the Soviet Five Year plans were terribly inefficient in making use of their resources despite the quick progress they've made

[quick surge]

Less people to feed cuz so many died

[fair hearth]

[queen thorn]

Pretty debatable if it was worth starving the entire Ukraine

[dark estuary]

oh yea

[dark estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-gif-26523280

[dusty idol]

bitzrieg has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

[dark estuary]

what

how is 4 emojis too much

[remote hazel]

Savage Tree Griffin

!1984

[dusty idol]

Literally 1984...

[dark estuary]

what

[dusty idol]

bitzrieg has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

Ah, I see we have encountered a rather uncouth individual. However, as a noble knight of the alternate past, I shall not stoop to such levels of vulgarity. Instead, I shall offer you a piece of advice: let us engage in civil discourse and elevate our conversation to a higher standard. Now, how may I assist you on this fine day?

[dark estuary]

umm, no

actually i would pass on this one and continue to use such words

[remote hazel]

Denied

The Savage Tree Knows All

[dark estuary]

🌳🌲=🗿

[steep pine]

One of the first wars where France and Britain purposely fought across the globe

[woven jacinth]

if blm is an organization, i don't have to support it

[fair hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dung-beetle-push-bug-rolling-poop-gif-8390149

[kind compass]

wilhelm II of germany was a cool guy

[queen thorn]

I agree

He had drip

[dark estuary]

WHY IS IT SO LAUD!! SISPHUS EARAPE

[dark estuary]

gilded spiked helmet and luxury trench coat. truly a man of culture. Not even the gold chain and supreme shirt can beat it

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-ww1-charge-battle-gif-18039360

https://tenor.com/view/ww1-trench-wake-up-gif-26527937

https://tenor.com/view/танк-ошибка-мехвод-tank-mistake-gif-20553653

"ww1 tanks were effective" mfrs

[kind compass]

not only that,he didnt like the world war

[queen thorn]

Trench coats kinda pog

Highly recommend to buy a luxury one second handed and in good condition

[mental geode]

Treaty of Versailles was in fact good, the problem was how they enforced it

[eternal badger]

Nahhh

[quick surge]

TOV was flawed from the start, designed for revenge and to start another world war

[mental geode]

Any peace treaty from the 19th and 20th century including a winner and a vanquished has this problem, because of new ideals such as nationalism

And remember, this wasn't a small war, this cost the lives of millions

Devastated french and belgian heartlands

[steep pine]

Venice, Genoa?

[viral oasis]

Italian troops under german command?

[queen thorn]

I disagree

Italians were pretty scary in the seas after the Romans as well for example

Venice comes to mind.

Sure they weren't massive empires like the Germans, Turks etc.

But that doesn't mean they suck at combat by any means.

[inner mortar]

Imagine relying on discerning a historical region's military to a user who won't live in reality

Italy did not suffer in the Guelph-Ghibelline wars for being ignorantly rendered ineffective in medieval or early modern warfare

[stable moon]

the U.S. has the best drip in ww2

[steep pine]

Nah, the soviets would've been able to conquer continental europe making the cold war easy for the soviets

[kind compass]

true other than the ss

[lavish field]

No

[light moat]

Not the ss

[light moat]

Id say the Scots had best drip

[kind compass]

huh,i wonder why you'd pick them,HMMMMMM

[steep pine]

Nah late ROC uniforms had the best drip

Basically the same but with white star symbol

[light moat]

Or French Resistance, they had good drip

[lavish field]

British + American Paratroopers had best drip in my opinion

[solid portal]

82nd all the way

[solid portal]

Ss are nazis, and no, their stupid black uniform that stood out pike a sore thumb was not drippy

[jade skiff]

Waffen SS didn't really wear black in combat

They used either feldgrau or one of their camoflage patterns

[queen thorn]

Yup

The SS also had drip.

[kind compass]

bro,i am able to say what UNIFORMS i like

[calm trail]

Waffen ss are ugly asf

vamos allied forces

[fair hearth]

Stalin Bunny suit

[crisp lantern]

I think SS look cool aside from the whole “I want to kill your family” vibe

[light moat]

💀🥵

[steep pine]

Run into battle with a kilt, 🔥

[light moat]

Yessir

[inner mortar]

Beria Bunny suit

[steep pine]

Incorrect

[steep pine]

You have bad taste

[fair hearth]

If you hate black uniforms

Then

Racismo

[solid portal]

Unbased. Dark Grey is ugly

[fair hearth]

Sus

We cannot let the A 10 fanboy have an opinion

[solid portal]

Brrrrrrrrtrrrrrrrtt

[fair hearth]

My grandpa farts better than that

[solid portal]

Might see service in Israel who knows

[steep pine]

Dark grey is one of my favorite colors, and I disagree.

[solid portal]

American paratroopers looked cooler. Quit simping for the walking human rights violation.

[fair hearth]

And shot down

[solid portal]

Unlikely.

[fair hearth]

It already got shot down

L

[solid portal]

Source

[solid portal]

Source

[fair hearth]

Israel doesn't even have an A 10

But they have an F 35 🤣

[solid portal]

Source

[fair hearth]

Google

[solid portal]

Also the US may get involved who knows?

They already said something along the lines of, we will provide CAS

[fair hearth]

That carrier group doesnt have an a10

The f 35 can do cas

[solid portal]

Yea but there is nothingvstopping us from desertstorm phase 1ing them

[fair hearth]

Su 25 better

[solid portal]

Who cares. Nazis look stupid

[fair hearth]

???

That's soviet

[solid portal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uDegzPp-lzo?si=3vgIwv4IHbzzKRMT

[solid portal]

Thisvtemmed from an argument about nazi uniforms

[fair hearth]

F 35 better

[steep pine]

No they didn't, not simping for them because they're walking human rights violations, simping for them because of the stahlhelm

[solid portal]

Brody helmet looked better

[steep pine]

LOL

[solid portal]

Stops sunburn wdym

Gives your nech and face a little needed shade

[fair hearth]

Sir

The brodie is ass

[queen thorn]

The only reason Arabs managed to come out utterly humiliated from the Arab Israeli wars during the Cold War was due to Arab Armies having an battle IQ below room temperature.

[stable moon]

israel has plot armor

[lavish field]

But it look like funny cowboy hat

And funny pan

And frisbee

3 in 1

[kind compass]

take away the vibe and you got the sick uniform,i just like the SS symbol,along with the dark colours

[dark estuary]

bruh then thats just star wars commander uniform

[dark estuary]

mig 21 = chad

[solid portal]

Not really

[dark estuary]

average 5 year old explaining why f 22 and f 35 is best (a bird can take one out)

[solid portal]

Really maneuverable gighter the mug 21 is, awful systems, awful compatiblinilitym awful platform

[dark estuary]

a little training and improvising and the problems are gone

welds hardpoints onto jet

[solid portal]

How do you improvise radar and new systems. There shouldn't be a need to improvise

[dark estuary]

ummm

take apart the jets nose

and replace radar

thats what the romainians did with the mig 21 bis

though mig 27 nd 29 are better options

[steep pine]

same

[steep pine]

Thats sexy too

[kind compass]

ireland is british

lets wait for someone to get pissed

[wide fractal]

Midget

[kind compass]

but im not wrong

ireland is in the british isles

:)

HEHEHEHE

[wide fractal]

Oh

But do you hate England

[solid portal]

Britain is Wales, England, a Scotland. Not even British northern arguement

[kind compass]

the british isles is the entirety of the islands

[lavish field]

Yeah but that doesn’t make it part of Britain

[quick surge]

Britain Airstrip one

[kind compass]

i said british,i never said they were apart of the uk

[lavish field]

Fair enough

[kind compass]

this is how you duke people,dare i say,duke of wellington

[light moat]

Isle of Man just chillin in the middle

[inner mortar]

I demote you into baronet

[kind compass]

YOU TRAITOR

[inner mortar]

it is what it is

[solid portal]

British isles is its own thing. British is the island

[fair hearth]

Island accent

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North Western Roman Empire

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So the British Empire was the Empire of the North Western Roman Empire? A Sub-empire of an empire in a way

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The Germans weren’t all too good in the world wars.

Both morally and physically.

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Usa barley helped in wwi

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What was that?

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Yeah

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Yeah what?

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If usa didn’t do anything nothing would change

Except treaty of Versailles would have been stronger

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So if the USA did not enter, then France and the uk would still be able to win?

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Yeah cause italy broke through the izonzo

And would take Austria Hungary out

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Well that didn’t threaten germany.

Italy wouldn’t be able to get a border with Germany.

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Sure

Totally

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The blockade was

Would’ve starved them out eventually

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They shouldn't be involved in the first place

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Plus if Austria Hungary and Bulgaria were taken out, The Germans would have a huge problem in the South

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The Americans put more effort into this war then they should have

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The greek would have helped a lot too.

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“We only need the goods thank you very much”

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And they did speed up this war

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The only American Unit that really helped was the Harlem hell fighters

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...

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Why only them?

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Cus they were with the French

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Well the other units did help the French as well, later in the war but they still helped.

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If America wasnt involved the Spanish Flu wouldnt have spread as much, not saying that it wouldnt at all

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Caurasius Roman Empire 🤮

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lol

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Not just them

The marines were involved too

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@kind compass

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??? i disagree the wehrmacht was NOT one of the greatest forces and did NOT have the best tactics

also tanks sucked lol

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Time-frame 26 seconds in

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LOL

one scene

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Idngaf

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then why even send it if you dont care

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It encompasses the point of a red flag

One of many potential red flags

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"omg omg he thinks the germans had a nice uniform he must be a nazi!1!1!1"

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That you in fact

Are a weiraboo

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"mods ban!"

no lol

im glad the germans lost

"as you can see, this person liking a specific genre of fashion makes him an extremist nazi and therefore he should be executed"

I know the wehrmacht often exterminated Jews & other minorities ALONGSIDE the SS

As well as raping women and children

And that they were doomed from the start

So no im not a wehraboo

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nah the wehrmacht was sucky

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Leonardo De Vinci is the smartest person on earth

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How is that controversial lol

Its just true

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I know right

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USAboos can't deal with the fact that they weren't the saviours

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Real

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What i cant deal with is the fact that we helped at all

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The U.S. shouldve just let Europe fight

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And become diplomatically irrelevant?

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Yes

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of what?

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yes

we dont need u guys

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That's not the point

Zimmerman telegram was an insult to the USA.

Lusitannia and the submarine warfare to

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warfare is legal
unrestricted subwars that discriminate suspected civilian vessels (cruisers and merchant marines) are not

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we should have done something that wasnt war

cause after ww1 we got more involved in europe

and it's not our problem

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This is literally the reason why you became a world superpower

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ik, and now we have to deal with superpower-ness

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How sad

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lenins idea of a communist russia was pretty good

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We just need to try again

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💀💀💀

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what are you suggesting then? A space race with Weimar Germany?

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WW1 Europe without ANY American support. Shows a completely different world. Without American economic and material support. Europe goes into economic collapse with potentially a longer war