Insert your controversial opinion here

[remote hazel]

Rome but Romer > Vikramaditya Empire

[quick surge]

That makes no sense

[remote hazel]

Wdym it’s Rome but Romer

It makes perfect sense

[quick surge]

Maratha but more Marathi Empire > Rome but Romer

[remote hazel]

Rome but Romer Romer > Maratha but more Marathi Empire

[quick surge]

Maratha but more Marathi Marathi > Rome but Romer Romer

[remote hazel]

Rome but more Romer Romer Romer > Maratha but more Marathi Marathi

Nothing beats Rome, it’s a way of life

[quick surge]

Maratha but more Marathi Marathi, Chatrapati Sambaji Level > Rome but more Romer Romer Romer

[quick surge]

Being Marathi is the life of the gods

[remote hazel]

said no one

[quick surge]

Your mom did tho

[remote hazel]

Nah, doesn’t know wtf that is

Plus mom jokes are cringe now

[quick surge]

U sure?
Last I checked she hid that baby oil from you

[remote hazel]

You wouldn’t even know, back to the GDR for u

Anyways

God is Rome

[inner mortar]

Vikramaditya is unverifiable, therefore controversial

[rain kayak]

Another controversial thought: the war of 1812 was the first american civil war as the revolutionaries also fought against loyalists (and due to them both being factions from the US, that's technically a civl war), heck, with this theory the US civil war would be the second

[vale cipher]

Another Griffin drinking emote and he actually is enjoying the drink. Not so mysterious unlike the other one.

[eager lodge]

[solid portal]

Certified, not based....
Opinion register... invalid

That definition of civil war is far too broad

[jade skiff]

You confused the War of 1812 for Revolutionary War

[stable mesa]

Strictly speaking, what the US calls a civil war wasn't.

It was really a regionalist revolt. What makes this one different from most is this one wasn't a region that was historically marginal wanting to break away, but one that was historically domineering trying to pull an Eric Cartman.

[light moat]

Imagine a Scottish empire instead of a British empire

[stable mesa]

Hmm... * eats some haggis while being serenaded by "Amazing Grace" on the highland pipes *

[vale cipher]

Well I see Griffin put enough emotes for everything in his daily schedule.

[steep pine]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

[kind compass]

vikram existed but smol

thats my controversial opinion

[night igloo]

Nah Rome=bad,Carthage=good

And yep Rome soon gets knocked out and splited in to 2 romes

[remote hazel]

Carthage ain’t good they do sacrifices

[broken lagoon]

The city of rome is still standing, where is the city of carthage?

[stable mesa]

Technically so did Rome.

Not en masse, but even after it was formally outlawed, it still happened, and in plain view of the public.

Look at the fates of certain Vestal Virgins.

[kind compass]

boi this is unpopular opinions

[stray magnet]

See this guy gets it

Roman’s did nothing wrong

It’s all Carthaginian propaganda

[stray magnet]

🤨

[fair hearth]

Hitler isn't idiot

[limpid folio]

To rise to power that quickly from pretty much nothing can’t be achieved by any old random Joe. He knew what the people wanted and gave it to them, which allowed him to take control of Germany (with a bit of luck on his side as well). If he wasn’t off his head on a concoction of drugs thst his doctor prescribed, he may have been more successful (especially in the mid to late periods of the war, as he felt the most productive after taking said drugs)

[steep pine]

The bombing over Serbia in the late 1990s. I dont care what ppl say. They got what they deserved for what they did in Croatia and Bosnia. Massive war crimes and they cry over a destroyed building. Their land didnt saw war

[stable sand]

[steep pine]

There are songs where they sing
"Theres gonna be meat we will kill the Croats"

Like. I hope ur child gets blown up by a cluster bomb

[steep pine]

Like theres a pic of a serbian girl who looks like 16ish holding a paper with "im a targer bc im serbian" something like that. And maybe her backyard was blown up. While a 6 year old muslim girl was raped and killed just bc she is muslim.

AND TO THIS DAY. Some of the dudes who have done those war crimes are still out free without any trial

Some did

But under the Serbian trial and they got 2 YEARS

[kind compass]

i like fries without sauce,thats right im a madman.Nah real controversial thing for this place:the vikramaditya empire is a crayon swipe empire

[fair hearth]

That's pretty normal

[kind compass]

what the vikram or the fries

[fair hearth]

The fries

[kind compass]

i see

but is the vikramaditya empire crayon swipe thing acceptable?

[fair hearth]

No idea

[stray magnet]

(Insert L4D2 Horde incoming sound)

[kind compass]

who wanna see the 100% real vikramaditya empire

my source:trust me bro

[stable moon]

You have alerted the Serbians.

[quick surge]

Jacques Chirac was France’s most underrated president.

[eager lodge]

The annexation of Goa was illegal.

[quick surge]

It was our land anyway, Portuguese colonists took it illegally in the first place

[eager lodge]

It was conquered from Muslim rulers.

And they were asked to conquer the city by the Hindu population.

[vale cipher]

Goa was still geographically part of India. I would say just as the Hindu population wanted to be under Portuguese rule they would have wanted to unite with India after it became an independent Hindu nation.

Ok I am pretty sure Goa joined India because they wanted to so I see nothing wrong with Portugal giving it up since the people in Goa wanted to be part of India anyway.

[inner mortar]

Portugal imo shouldn't be stubborn with their overseas territories
Just make a Free City out of Goa

[vale cipher]

Free city or not would have joined India eventually.

[inner mortar]

aye, plebescites and referendums seals the deals

[vale cipher]

Pretty much. Goa was a piece of land that was surrounded by Indian Territory and the population wanted to be part of India was always going to happen.

[eager lodge]

India just invaded Goa and took it, much like Russia did with Crimea.

Moreover being "geographically part of x" isn't an argument since geographical location doesn't determine allegiance to a state.

Moreover, the International court and the UN stated that Portugal had the right to retain Goa.

So yeah, the annexation of Goa was illegal.

[kind compass]

the british empire,portuguese empire and poland-lithuania should return

at their height keep in mind

[remote hazel]

I’m ok with that

[limpid folio]

so have most of the living world reconquered by 3 nations?

[lavish field]

🇧🇦

[stray magnet]

Hot take, Britain should have continued occupying manila and then control the Philippines.

Change my mind.

[stray magnet]

Even then, no one in nato cared about it since, it’s not a big issue

It’s not like america or britain was going to forcefully bomb, blockade or force india into surrendering back Goa to India

[quick surge]

How about this:

The British owes reparations to India

[stray magnet]

Latter being worth mentioning because britain lost the Suez Canal and screwed up in attempting to overthrow Egypt

[quick surge]

Try rebutting

[stray magnet]

Very interesting question, I answer yes. Now my turn…all former colonial empires should do the same and pay reparations to everyone they have repressed.

[quick surge]

Average apologist take

go again

[stray magnet]

Crazy, Revive the HRE

[quick surge]

Mussolini tried that

didn't end well

[stray magnet]

Not the Italian one

[quick surge]

the German one?

[stray magnet]

The other one way before the German empire and that poor excuse of a nation

[stray magnet]

The one owned by the Hapsburg

[quick surge]

Idk anything about that

[stray magnet]

Oh, I thought you knew a little about it

Well…my bad then

[quick surge]

The only two roman empires i know are the Italian and german ones

Hapsburg is

new to me

[stray magnet]

Fair enough, so in short

The entity I’m referring existed since like the medieval period up to 1806 which Francis II of Austria dissolved it after facing defeat at Austerlitz

Should have elaborated more clearly….oops

[quick surge]

Speak english

[stray magnet]

?

What?

Wdym speak English?

[quick surge]

Idk how to explain speak english so i just googled someone to explain it

lmao sorry

[stray magnet]

Oh

Well this got confusing

(And awkward)

[stray magnet]

Meant this to be a joke

[fair hearth]

I support this

Mr.worldwide

Have the US invade british PH

Loses it to Japan

Soviets beat Japan

Soviet Philippines

Then China takes over after soviet collapse

[stray magnet]

Philippine lore

[remote hazel]

“Reparations” hell nah, no tax payer money going to that

[vale cipher]

Here's how 😂

[quick surge]

Best

[remote hazel]

Y’all aren’t being controversial enough, here’s how ya do it

Gaming Chair > Armchair

[quick surge]

So ur saying Ninja is better than Griffin?

[remote hazel]

Did you just assume Griffin is an Armchair

[quick surge]

Yes

100 bucks his pronouns are Squeak/Creak

[lavish field]

Large rock > chair

[quick surge]

Large chair made of rock > Large rock

[lavish field]

Facts

[eager lodge]

Pfft, chairs are for weaklings too frail to survive outside of civilisation... join the Grug revolution.

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-steven-bonnell-horror-cuckcrab-gif-13423348

[stray magnet]

weak

plastic stool > all chairs

get on my level

[remote hazel]

Grugbros > furniture

Git gud kid

[stray magnet]

apebros > grugbros

[remote hazel]

Monkebros > apebros

[lavish field]

Rock > everything

[quick surge]

All of you guys are wrong

That one 6 inch tall wooden stool in some random bathroom in India >>>>

[remote hazel]

The Wok > whatever the thing is in India

[vale cipher]

Slav propaganda.

[vale cipher]

Floating >Sitting and Standing

Either is for unenlightened peasants who have to use their muscles to move.

[vale cipher]

It's actually Chad Armchair > Virgin gaming chair.

[inner mortar]

Madlad Dining chair > Chad Armchair

[inner mortar]

I support a Chinese pirate Philippines

Limahong hours

[stray magnet]

Gigachad plastic lawn chair in Question

[inner mortar]

[fair hearth]

Office chairs are better

[fair hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-meme-memes-vergil-vergil-chair-gif-26514094

[steep pine]

Kaiser Wilhelm IIs Conspiracy Theories were correct.

[stray magnet]

so true

Im the storm thats coming

[light moat]

wheelchair > armchair

[fair hearth]

Im gonna make Kanye West your Mom and you will be happy for it

[steep pine]

Historian Armchair

[quick surge]

Ukw, im actually gonna be serious with this one because this is something i actually stand for, controversially ofc

India has made some of the best foreign policy moves since the war began (Russia - Ukraine)

[steep pine]

Man i f uking hate the rules in here

[inner mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-sing-se-gif-20976912

[crisp lantern]

I dont think he knows hes allowed to swear

[fair hearth]

We'll have to call the mods in this one

[mortal dock]

Wenis the penis

[fair hearth]

Oh the controversy!

[steep pine]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-cares-nobody-cares-we-dont-care-i-dont-care-gif-22597963

[kind compass]

yes

[limpid folio]

Can we make a bet for how long it will take for ww3 to break out?

[kind compass]

i would say around 5 years

[limpid folio]

India’s current foreign policy ensures that its screwing all sides of the Russia-Ukraine war. It annoys the west bc India is actively pursuing economic cooperation with Russia however this economic cooperation means that the Russian economy doesn’t benefit from this trade relationship. So basically India is sitting on the fence with the whole thing, however this fence will eventually break under the pressure and India will be forced into a perilous position

Bc eventually it has to fall in line with either Russia and china or the west

There’s pros and cons to both options

[limpid folio]

I recon that it would be the British empire and Portugal Vs the polish Lithuanian empire bc of that long standing treaty between Portugal and Britain from like the 1400s

[kind compass]

1339 if im not wrong

[quick surge]

You have it all wrong, the entire point of India's policy is that all sides benefit from partnering with India. Firstly India is pursuing Economic partnership with Russia for two reasons. One is because at a time where oil prices are skyrocketing in the entire world, India where our GDP per capita is less than $2000 needs energy. So we would be going out there saying "Go buy the cheapest source of energy you can." Fortunately Russia has been able to provide India that provision with cheaper Oil for our own national Energy security. If Europe did have a problem, I think mainly its because they use up how much we use in a single day, in one entire afternoon. And I mean I don't think the west is seeming to have much problems with us doing business with Russia, because they very well know the mistakes they made which caused us to do it in the first place, which leads me to my second point.

India has had a long time trusted partnership during a time the west decided to arm a Military Dictatorship called Pakistan. So if the west are annoyed that they find India doing business with Russia, its because we are a strong Bi-lateral relational country who just started to get stronger with the West, in a positive note which is always good.

As for Russia benefitting from this trade? Well that is not much of concern for Indian foreign policy because as I said this deal is to secure the Energy security for India during a time when Oil prices are inflating to an all time high.

And look just because India does not agree with the west about staying neutral in this war dosent mean we're sitting on the fence, it means we're sitting on our ground. I mean India is 1/5th of the world's population, 5th Largest economy in the world, one of the leading contributors to solving global challenges, so we are entitled to weigh our own interests and make our own choices which of course wont be cynical or transactional but a balance of our values and interests.

[quick surge]

And that is exactly where you get it wrong.

This idea that the "Grand strategy" will be how you choose, but in the end it is not necessary for a country like India to either join this axis or that axis, and if we aren't joining this then we must be with the other one. As i said earlier we are 1/5th of the world's population, 5th Largest Economy, leading contributers to solving global challenges such as Anti Terrorism, green energy, etc. So we are entitled to have our own side whether it may be bi-lateral relations with both sides of the world power alliances or any other. There won't be any country in the world which will disregard its own interests in foreign policy.

[eager lodge]

What global challenges is India contributing to solve? 🤨

[remote hazel]

Against China 🫡

[quick surge]

Well I think ill list a few
So first would be climate change where India can be an exemplar where we have made an enormous leapfrog of green technologies, most of which will be highlighted at the upcoming G20, but off the top of my head would be green electricity and fully electric rail infrastructure.

Second would be countering terrorism at the source. Sure maybe earlier governments may not have handled it that effectively but now since 2014 the revolution of foreign policy has led India to being a global icon to fighting terrorism be it in Kashmir or anywhere else in the world.

Security where we have began to produce our own weapons and arms across all industries ranging from Aviation to land combat vehicles thanks to DRDO and their fantastic work

Humanitarian aid, for example recently in Turkey where we sent rescue teams to help earthquake survivors, amongst many events that have occured around Asia as a whole at a time when people that wanted to look to europe did but they did not come to help.

And this is what i can think of from the top of my head, but basically in all of the big challenges the world faces, some part of the answer and solution either comes out of India, can be contributed to India.

Basically, a new world order is being formed and for the first time, India is playing a good part in that equation

From 75 years ago when we were just getting our hands settled from the effects of British colonialism and a poster child for poverty, to now a major global power

[eager lodge]

I don't mean to understate these accomplishments, but I don't think that they are world leading.

[remote hazel]

Also new world order?

[quick surge]

Look around you, we have transitioned from the times of NAM and the Cold war, even after 9/11 as well. What's different about this, is that it's no longer going to be Euro-centric

Not immediately now, but as we have seen the developments from the latest BRICS summit, its in progress and a very hard train to stop

[remote hazel]

Western-Centric

[quick surge]

Right now? Maybe
But lets see how the tide changes in the coming 5 years time

[remote hazel]

Probably still Western

[quick surge]

For the majority, but still shifting out of Western Centric

It's not an easy thing by the way I should say, because for the most part Europe has been used to being the center of attention for a very long time. So this transition will take time, but will be soon

[limpid folio]

All countries need allies- be it economic or military. The world is too globalised for that not to happen (unless your're switzerland, who are good at ensuring that they do absolutely nothing to annoy the world). Through BRICS India is becoming more aliened with Russia (however indian participation in BRICS may be short lived due to the long running disputes it has with china) and it is doing well out of this. However if it becomes too friendly with Russia, the west might see india as another China- a regional power looking to expand their influence, ultimately becoming a threat to western interests. If India strays too far from the west then the west will cut off its ecnomic relationship. This would be devistating for india as in 2023 the USA is India's biggest trading partner, the UK imported £21.6bn of indian goods last year and the EU imported €46.2bn last year from india. Without this there would be serious economic decline.(This is just speculation, as India and the UK recently just signed a trade deal showing that this hypothetical situation is not likely to happen in the near future).

[stable sand]

Parthenon is the most pro-indian national person I've seen

[quick surge]

You again missed the point where I said "We maintain Bi-lateral relations from BOTH sides", where we DO have allies from both sides. Be it Russia or South Africa to even now Brazil from the BRICS side, or Australia and the Indo Pacific in the form of QUAD. And just because we have disputes with China dosen't mean that the BRICS will entirely collapse, that is very farfetched speculative in a horrible way.

Also, there is absolutely no way the west will see us as the new "China", not when we are the world's largest democracy. All of these outlandish claims of somehow the west seeing "India as the new China" is simply patheic. Look at the statements Blinken has made, or maybe Lavrov has made, or for that matter what France has made. Pretty much you have a world where India is a power no side would even think of losing, nor would consider one. This is for the first time by the way where the USA + the west and Russia have agreed and respected to a major power being neutral into such a Euro-centric conflict. Sure its economic effects are global but the conflict is bound to europe.

As per the speculation you made, i think you pretty much answered what you did want me to say, basically India is a country no side would even consider losing. And again, if we are being friendly with Russia I suggest Europe reflect on itself when they decided to send Task force 74 into the Bay of Bengal to support a Military dictatorship called Pakistan in committing a Genocide in Bangladesh, during with a time trusted and tested ally, the USSR came to our aid.

[quick surge]

More than 7 Generations of my bloodline has given blood for the country, i don’t intend on my father being the last

[remote hazel]

🥱

[jade skiff]

Europe must reflect on TF74
And which European countries took part on that?

[quick surge]

Idk
Britain, France, USA and Pakistan

[jade skiff]

France?

[quick surge]

But it’s more also on what policy did they follow again while we sided with our Russian Counterparts. Cuz it seems Reagan and Eruope were quite hostile onto India until Jacques Chirac kind of turned things around a bit

[jade skiff]

Ah, so that is why you think he is so underrated

[quick surge]

He shaped France’s foreign policy completely around, gave it a new direction

One of the big ones, to condemn Bush’s Iraq war

And started to get real close with Russia after Saint Petersburg 2004

That was a complete turnaround which directed the ship for even today’s policy

And what a decision It was I should say.

[jade skiff]

If you think it was a positive, okay

[quick surge]

Look at their position on the world stage today, and tell me

[jade skiff]

Why should I, I only wanted to see what you think

[quick surge]

Now you know.

[sly trail]

Siding with Russia is one of the worst foreign policy moves you can do, both from a realist and moral point of view

[quick surge]

Not when you are aiding genocide of Bengali’s in Bangladesh

Or Kashmiri Pandits

[sly trail]

France had nothing to do with that...

Besides, france is feeling the consequences of siding with russia today

[quick surge]

Bullshit, I have a good load of documents saying DGCI got involved with MI6 on this

But ur lucky I don’t have my laptop right now

Not until Tommorow

[quick surge]

Ah, well luckily we are reaping the benefits

[sly trail]

Like your tanks being seized?

[quick surge]

Like winning 4 wars against a rogue nation

[sly trail]

that being?

[quick surge]

Pakistan, very obvious

I thought you realised that the second I said task force 74

[sly trail]

You think Russia will help you beat Pakistan today?

Russia is not the USSR anymore

it's not a superpower

[quick surge]

Oh we don’t have only Russia now do we?
QUAD is involved as well and, there have been instances USA and Russia have supported the same side

[sly trail]

So why not side with the USA? They are a more powerful and reliable ally than Russia

[quick surge]

Yet a time tested relationship with the people for nearly 80 years and beyond

[sly trail]

Russians don't give a damn about indians, especially right now

[quick surge]

We are, who says we arent?
It’s just that we wish to stick with parters who had our back when a certain USA tried to defend a genocide committing country

Bi-lateral relations, one of our strongest strengths

[sly trail]

the people who did are no longer in office, Biden is an Idealist, not a student of Kissinger

[remote hazel]

India is aight with both sides

[quick surge]

True, but good that “Howdy Modi” had a reasonable amount of effect where the US can’t ignore us anymore

[sly trail]

true

but playing both sides isn't always a good idea

[quick surge]

We have relations with both sides, positive ones as well. Coming from this level of a strong country I think you really cannot replicate it to the extent India is right now

[light moat]

Indias space program was carried by the USSR but sabotaged by the US

[quick surge]

US is a good ally to have no question, but so is Russia because of our time tested relationship if anything but that will Modi throw that out of the window

[sly trail]

Russia isn't really a "side", it's nearly a geopolitical extension of China at this point

[light moat]

but still managed to have good relations with both

[quick surge]

Don’t forget operation Smiling Buddha

[remote hazel]

Shits different now

[light moat]

yea

[quick surge]

Call it whatever your narrative is, Russia is still a power India is well open arms to be with.

[sly trail]

Russia is a regional power... it's not a narrative, it's a fact

[quick surge]

True, now the US has realised its mistake of supporting Pakistan and finally came to its senses

[sly trail]

It does not have the same capabilities that China, Europe or the USA

And Russia is much more interested in its relation with China than with India

[quick surge]

What’s a fact is that you are belittling their power. Sure maybe because of this war maybe it may seem they may not be a major power anymore but underestimating them also is a big mistake

[sly trail]

They cannot conduct the same abroad large scale military operations that both China and the US can

they are limited to their borders and to their allies in Africa and the middle east

[quick surge]

So.
Pakistan has relations with the UAE that still dosent stop us from going to Dubai and having our flag on the largest building of the world.

[sly trail]

the world doesn't revolve around Pakistan

[quick surge]

True, but it has began revolving around us

This is the new world emerging order

[sly trail]

that's not even true

[quick surge]

Where you have the fight for global power and the new world order

[sly trail]

like by what metric does the world revolve around India?

[quick surge]

Where now countries are now shifting from Euro-centric notion

[sly trail]

I'd argue it's more Americo-centric

[quick surge]

You know it is.
Maybe the statistics show that the US tops the chart in this or that but believe me take one look at the Indian Diaspora and in the International scale, that will soon change

[quick surge]

For now

[sly trail]

the biggest economy in the world is the USA, the biggest market in the world is the european union

the most traded currencies are the Dollar, the Euro and the Japanese Yen

[quick surge]

True, but guess where does India lie in each of those?

Top 5

Again, statistics will show right now they are number one no question

[sly trail]

And diaspora doesn't mean anything, Biden isn't funding the IRA because he's ethnically Irish

[quick surge]

I am talking in future, because that will change

[sly trail]

the indian Rupee is the 15th most traded currency, behind the new zealand dollar and the norwegian krone

the Indian economy is behind germany

[quick surge]

The fuck it does.
You were talking about the Market and economy? Look at the trillion Dollar firms in the US, Microsoft, Google, Deutsche Bank, Vodaphone, hell look at the Vice president and the 2nd most popular GOP candidate this year

[sly trail]

a lot of Irish-americans are in charge of some of America's biggest companies

and Ramashwami is a joke...

Like not from a political view, he's not popular compared to Donald trump

[quick surge]

By nominal GDP, and let me remind that we have a population worth 1/5th world, it’s not easy to make all of them rich especially when you are looted off 45 Trillion

[quick surge]

That’s why I said 2nd most popular

Look a Politico pools he’s beating DeSantis

[sly trail]

DeSantis is in front

[quick surge]

Sure, trump will have that 56% popularity on the nominee list but we definitely know Ramaswamy is not a joke

[quick surge]

Look at politico u will find something very nice

[sly trail]

using one source is a very poor way to predict results of a primary

[quick surge]

Anyway, admit it.
India is getting ahead of the world, you cannot handle it because the usual notion is western centric.

[sly trail]

?

[quick surge]

Apparently all the west apologists like you wishes is for the poverty poster child to reign again like the good old days

[sly trail]

How is saying that China, the USA and Europe are ahead of India "western centric"?

[quick surge]

If you are saying that Politico is inaccurate, ur out of your mind

And your not worth my time

[tiny heath]

Mama papa pleaseeee stop arguing 😭

[sly trail]

I'm saying that mutliple polls give better results than single ones

[crisp lantern]

Yes he is. Claims to come from poverty, his dad was an attorney for GE. Claims to have Judeo- Christian values, is actually Hindu. His company is also a joke and a failure

Also I found out today he is from my city, which i knda cool ig

[kind compass]

The Canadians should be called vinland

[crisp lantern]

nah the fierce viking persona doesnt mix well with the tame, apologetic hokey players

[steep pine]

Ramaswamy is a joke tbh

[sacred tundra]

If the globalization doesn’t collapse (which is inexorable, it will fall due to the demographic shift down), and the US will have a deadly revolution, well hell, I believe particular European nations may also follow the line of the US (political ‘elite’ , that is to say the leftist establishment, is utterly detached from our society as was with the French elite before 1789, the concentration of wealth and assets consequently exacerbated economic inequality, and the leftist policies, populist inarticulate, incoherent parties, and the resentful middle and low class are engulfing themselves in horrifying turmoil. The monopolies, billionaires and their avaricious l, embezzled politicians both on the leftist spectrum and the right one (though primarily on the left), are inducing their will, NOT investing into the Western nations, congregating enormous assets such as housing which is then set for an unaffordable rent, it all results in societal suicide pact and detriment to the majorities of the nations. I realized there is no more average, regular left contending with the right;
There is the internationalists group (those who see “no boundaries in the world”, these who stand for completely open immigration policy, establishment colluding with largest pharmaceutical companies, monopolies, which intrinsically are supposed to be broken up by a nation’s government at particular point, climate hoaxes who blame the West for all the pollution in the world, the radical environmentalists in fact would destroy the society if in power, the “white guilt” brainwashed children whose sole purpose in life is to supposedly feel guilty for what their forefathers had done, etc.) competing with nationalists (NOT asinine xenophobes, instead those who intend to focus on the issues in regards to their nations, interests of the people, economy, development, growth of small businesses, decentralization of the government, disassembling monopolies, investing in universal healthcare, education etc)

So, compendiously concluding

If the West DOES have revolutions and the Chinese (whose fate is already predicted, they will call soon enough), then India might have a chance to take the lead. Of course NOT global hegemony, however, prosperity and perhaps well being of prodigious amounts of their residents

[sacred tundra]

Vivek Ramaswamy is far greater you would envision. His ingenuity and intelligence is underestimated

Personally I would prefer Trump to come victorious in this election, however though, in the next one Vivek shall emerge victor. It would be beneficial for the American nation, and its people

[kind compass]

but the canadians do stop saying sorry at times

only seen twice

1914-1918

and 1939-1945

the geneva convention was a suggestion to the canadians

[quick surge]

I will agree, he dosent hold back either and pretty much is doing something I don’t think GOP candidates are doing, properly defining what it means to be an American

[crisp lantern]

yeah, the genius started a company that patents FAILED MEDICINE

[sacred tundra]

This man is a medicine to the omnipresent political instability, destitution of crucial equilibrium between political parties, lack of mindset focusing on development and economic growth, and the ever more destructive political polarization. Vivek also has pejorative views of terrorist groups such as Antifa, Black Bloc

[crisp lantern]

if he cant run a company why should we trust him with our country

hes just there to draw votes

to split conservatives up

[sacred tundra]

You have to listen to his interviews with Jordan Peterson

[quick surge]

Or his debate in the GOP

[sacred tundra]

He may not be perfect, however, he might cure the political polarization

[sacred tundra]

The widespread media are failing anyway

The Westerners aren’t that infantile anymore

Though the debate itself was quite well

[quick surge]

Just because your product in a company fails dosent mean ur some dumbass who can’t do shit.
Napster was a failure yet Shaun Parker then founded Facebook with Zuck

Look how that turned out

[sacred tundra]

Vivek could confer with economic advisors

[crisp lantern]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1695123026939953661

Matt Kim (@MattAttack009_)

Should we trust Vivek?

Lots of coincidences here…

Likes

8712

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Twitter · Aug 25, 2023, 5:16 PM

[quick surge]

Ur really gonna use Twitter as a source?

That’s the last thing I will trust as a source

[crisp lantern]

some random guy shows up out of no where and says he'll solve everything

[crisp lantern]

...ok?

but we'v been violating rule 2 heavily, so im shutting up

rule 3 sry

[sacred tundra]

That’s why I would give him some time..

It would be more convenient if Ramaswami could run in the 2028 election

Trump is still leading the GOP anyway

He has some tremendous aspirations. He’s a profound entrepreneur and an expertise in economics

I would be truly blissful if Trump could fix the fiscal policy

It’s a major issue that constitutes a motive to determine further economic policies

[quick surge]

Are u talking about the Obama fiscal package?

[sacred tundra]

No

Obama destroyed the healthcare

He collided with BigPharma

Colluded*

And made the health expenses so exorbitant that two thirds of Americans wouldn’t afford a regular medical emergency bill

[quick surge]

I like how we went from Indian foreign policy in Russo Ukraine war to Ramaswamy being a good GOP candidate

[sacred tundra]

Just because his skin tone is black doesn’t mean he is competent for the job. Americans shall comprehend that before voting

[quick surge]

So imma step back

[sacred tundra]

You know why India remains neutral and quite in favor of Russia?

It’s due to the war that occurred in 1962..

The US had a chance to assist India with foreign aid, and military equipment

However, suspecting the Hindis of communist affiliations, the Americans avoided them

Then India turned to the USSR…

For weapons and munitions

As a ramification, India today is still precariously dependent upon Russian ammunition, specifically rockets

And the West keeps contradicting their policies, the Biden administration for instance, sold f16 fighter jets to Pakistan

Trump knew India is a growing power, he played both sides positively maintaining friendship with Russia’s dictator Putin, as well as with India’s strong leader Modi. Thus he created even greater bond with India, which was already involved with Russia

At the same time, Trump admonished Merkel and the European Commission of the threat associated with gas, and oil, and in result energy dependency on Russia

Apparently, the EU considered Trump a petulant, deplorable person unworthy of listening to. We can see how it ended after Russo Ukrainian wat

Austria with 95% gas imported from Russia lmao

[remote hazel]

Anyone who breaks Rule 3 will be warned

[stray magnet]

Political, new controversial opinion. The Khan shouldn’t have died so they could have pushed further into Europe

[viral oasis]

*Mongolian throat singing intensifies

[sly trail]

1. Globalisation just means globalised trade which won't go anywhere even if there is a demographic collapse
2. The Nation with one of the best militaries in the world will probably crush any far right civil war attempt
3. You don't know what a "leftist" is (it can range from social democrat to stalinist to anarchist)
4. You're literally parroting far right propaganda

Also Vivek is objectively terrible at both domestic and foreign policy (the total privatisation of education is one such example), Black bloc and Antifa are not designated as terrorist groups

[sacred tundra]

You, sir, underestimate the catastrophic implications of a demographic collapse which would eventually reduce interaction between nations to a backwater. You do not know that the United States is the sole naval power that could maintain the globalized economy - there are simply far too many regional conflicts that could completely paralyze intricately convoluted, long supply chains precariously dependent upon secured waterways. Without the US navy, you can say goodbye to globalization.
Now let’s consider your second point - I haven’t mentioned anything about a “far right civil war”, that is to be acknowledged. What I have in fact stated is the public discontent of the majority of middle and low class, in an occurrence of another financial crisis, people could imitate a commotion. They are already defiant, inflation and improper social spending and the so called social welfare programs don’t work in many cases - the political elites, which particularly are opulent monopolizers, are detached from reality
Third point time - the left, I haven’t defined it as I don’t feel competent right now, it would be a desideratum to research the subject for a plethora of time and write an article about it (which I aspire to accomplish) having digressed once more I proclaim, the left ranges from righteous, standard people who simply intend to break up monopolies and adjust efforts to improve labor law, to evil, abhorrent corporations who have their interests in creating a mindless, obedient, subservient society who purchases their company’s products. Now as you may evidently see, the left and the right middle class has something in common - middle class, “ordinary citizens” of both political spectrums have similarities, there’s even a video of a socialist meeting up with Trump supporters on their rally, the socialist feller shares literally the same interests with so called “far right conservatives and fascists”.

Forth point - I do not perceive myself as a “far right propagandist”, I do not believe I would go that far… that’s why I’ve written earlier - lately I decided to avoid dividing people by “left or right”, I now say nationalists, and or patriots (depends on how you intend to consider the meaning) versus internationalists, brainwashed people who believe they shall victimize every single human being and those who mindlessly promulgate the corporate agenda to the detriment of the Western nations.

Apologies for the lengthy text, I’ll constrain myself when replying next time

[sly trail]

1. The world traded with china for centuries without modern navies to protect them. Remove the US from the equation (which will not happen) and other countries will still defend their trade. Besides there is a very easy fix to demographics called immigration.

2. The US isn't a perfect society and yes money is often loss inefficiently but social welfare programs do work, anyone on the political sprectrum can acknowledge this and there are many examples to back this up (ae Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, etc) and the alternative to mainstream politics are either no where near popular or are controlled by your loosely defined "elite" (which doesn't really mean anything).

3. Monopolies go against any principle of any leftist and even liberals, companies don't brainwash people into voting for their candidate, information is as free and diverse as ever. It's like saying the printing press made people subservient and "brainwashed", people are free to buy what ever they want, vote for who they want and read/say what ever they want (within the bounds of the law)

4. Right wing and left wing populists tend to agree on fighting the amorphous "elite", it's not surprising to see them agreeing on that, they also might agree on their opposition to liberal democracy.

5. Your view of the world puts is not only black and white but objectively wrong, get off twitter and talk to real people who are involved in politics, very few are self hating people who want to "promulgate the corporate agenda" (which again is an amorphous thing with no real legs to stand on).

[sacred tundra]

You truly are creating me an inconvenient vicissitude, it’s also simple to deter impudence in your speech… to your myopic knowledge of my person, I can tell you I don’t even have an account of twitter. I believe you haven’t ever spoken to radical peoples who would sacrifice themselves for the sake of their abysmal ideology (I’ve seen both, left and right).

I shall affirm that I’ll respond to you tomorrow due to my current blank time. You’re a hell of a stubborn fella

And so am I, a stubborn feller

[fair hearth]

You don't really need a navy to make global trade possible

The scale of global trade as we see it today can be owed to the invention of the standardised shipping container, along with things like rail and larger ships

As Umberton already mentioned, the ancient world has traded with China without the need for navies

Even if the US navy were to disappear

Demand would dictate their allies and other nations to expand their navies

Navies secure trade

They're not the requirement to make it possible

[inner mortar]

The time of globalization is over, the age of piracy has come

[fair hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-look-at-me-im-the-captain-now-gif-5038544

[stray magnet]

He’s the captain now

[fair hearth]

[quick surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-fbi-typing-fbiopenup-gif-26272031

[vivid carbon]

Hitler is not the worst genocidal tyrant in the history. And would likely not be in the top 5.

[sly trail]

He had plans for it and unleashed an unparalleled amount of destruction on the world

[vivid carbon]

So did Mao, Stalin and Genghis khan. They would all conquer the world if they could.

Fortunately for the allies Hitler was too high on nose candy to be an effective leader. Even if he didn't constantly meddle in military affairs or didn't have an unhealthy obsession with resource hungry wonder weapons imo Germany would still lose.

Imo The only way Hitler could win if they had nukes. Then again Germany wasn't a resource rich nation. I doubt they had enough uranium for multiple nukes and even then the constant unhealthy competition between scientists would make it hard

[sly trail]

I'm not talking about having nukes or wining, I'm talking about what he was planning

[vivid carbon]

I don't believe he had the capacity to back up his plans . I am pretty sure Mao and Stalin had similar plans maybe not as worse as Hitler.

But then again mao killed 40-80 million with his best intentions i wonder what would happen if it was worse.

[fair hearth]

No way Hitler can even win with nukes lol

They can't even make one

The Luftwaffes bomber arm even was neglected later in the war with the shift on the defense of the Reich

A thousand bombs can also achieve what a nuke could, there's barely a difference

[vivid carbon]

They had i believe just enough material for a single nuke. But the scientist worked in a separate group with interbranch rivalry Yes even with a nuke they would lose. They needed to make multiple to use as a fear factor or to stand a chance.

[fair hearth]

The US launched a post war investigation that concluded the Germans couldn't have made a nuke

[fair hearth]

Dawg

Fear factor is bullshit

The Germans already did that with the V1s

And the Blitz

How did that end up?

[vivid carbon]

I mean isn't that the main reason the USA isn't liberating North Korea

[fair hearth]

This is WW2

Nukes are far too few and far less powerful

And demand aircraft as their medium of delivery

[vivid carbon]

Fair enough

[fair hearth]

This isn't like an MIRV going 50 times the speed of sound

Best Germany could do with a nuke is on the tactical level

With German bombers virtually gone late into the war

Nuclear landmines are the only viable option

The Luftwaffe doesn't even have a large enough bomber to rival the B-29

[vivid carbon]

I wonder about blackmailing the allies by threatening to nuking civilians would work.

Thought i doubt it

[fair hearth]

Then the Allies would just Dresden 10 times over 😎

[quick surge]

I would beg to differ

[fair hearth]

Don't you dare

Bring up the Ta 400 or the He 177

[quick surge]

Horten Ho 229

[vivid carbon]

Even if they dropped a lot of Dirty bombs on soviats. It can't stop the horde

[fair hearth]

NOOOOOO

NOT THE MESS THAT ARE THE HORTENS 😭

They can't even fly 💀

[vivid carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-traitor-of-mars-starship-troopers-gifs-arachnids-bugs-gif-9385242

[quick surge]

No they had material for more than one

[fair hearth]

If the WW2 nerds in this channel sees this

Oh no

[quick surge]

The problem was that their Leipzig lab explosion destroyed much of their uranium

That’s why

[fair hearth]

Materials don't matter when the Germans even got the formulas wrong and lack the infrastructure to refine Uranium to large quantities

Oak Ridge is just at a different level

That also enjoyed the security of the Americas

[quick surge]

No no, they were AHEAD of the US.
In fact Oppenheimer USED Heisenberg’s uranium atom splitting method to start the Manhattan project

About 5 years after the discovery was made

[fair hearth]

Pretty sure that's wrong

[quick surge]

I have documents + JSTOR

This is my Extended Essay topic as well lmao

Read about Heisenberg.
He was the first to split the Uranium atom, and Oppenheimer recreated the same experiment in the US with the same result AFTER Heisenberg travelled and visited the US

Idr the exact year but it was just before the war had began

Probs in 1938 or 37 ish

That’s the exact reason why the Alsos mission was launched

To kill Heisenberg, and Moe Berg decided not to because at that time they realised the lab exploded

In 1943

[fair hearth]

Didn't Heisenberg even admit that the German nuclear weapons program was a fail?

[quick surge]

In the farm house in the UK?
Yes, because after the explosion nazi’s didn’t give him much support due to lack of confidence, shifting war tides and the death of some of his scientists.

[limpid folio]

British intelligence also ensured that Germanys attempts at making a nuke would be as painful as possible

By blowing up all those heavy water plants in Norway ect

[lucid crystal]

This definately fits here

Adolph Hitler’s Chief of Staff, Field Marshall Wilhelm Keitel, credit Greece with bringing about Hitler’s defeat. Keitel said, “The Greeks delayed by two or more vital months the German attack against Russia;
if we did not have this long delay, the outcome of the war would have been different.” Germans because of that fought the Russians supported by the leadership of General Winter 😛 ❄️⛄

Greece was the only “David” in WWII able to inflict a fatal wound that eventually brought down the Nazi “Goliath.”

[inner mortar]

Italy is responsible for the European Axis's disaster

[eager lodge]

You do actually.

Maritime trade lanes are "unofficially" protected and ensured by the US navy.

Additionally there is a global coalition against sea piracy in certain hot spots of the world.

If the US were to decide to stop ensuring the protection of the world's shipping lanes, not only would piracy increase, but more belligerent nations could hold the world economy hostage by blockading certian routes.

Because the US is the only capable country to host a navy large enough to patrol and cover the main lanes, it takes the task to do so. No other country is close to be able to take on such a task.

[light moat]

Common Somolia W

but when they board a military ship

common somolia L

[sacred tundra]

We’ve seen that during the 80’s Iran - Iraq war whereas the cargo shipping lanes were decimated. Over 100 commercial enormously sized cargo ships were hit with missiles. (as every modern globalist cargo ship focused on efficiency rather than protection). Despite that the ships were merely broken, insurance companies were already declaring insolvent bankruptcy- the US eventually got involved protecting shipping lanes in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf in particular to prevent a global crisis

I would write more, however, my time is strictly limited

[sacred tundra]

Reflecting the Nazi nuclear project:
The German nuclear scientists were primarily Jewish… many were simply murdered due to their ethnicity and the other fled to the US and different nations

[sacred tundra]

I would rather say PRC (China) - they are harassing civilian shipping (specifically Philippi fishermen trying to make a living), with their maritime militia. It’s called state controlled piracy, the Chinese have hundreds of these small vessels

[sacred tundra]

Yes it did, however on a genuinely tiny scale compared to the omnipresent globalized world which we could also refer to as Pax Americana. That may be presumably disconcerting, as we already know what occurred to Pax Romana

[sacred tundra]

Not so, the allies would land in southern France anyway

Now I’ll be bombarded when I return.. I suppose I replied to multifold of topics. Ima head out

[quick surge]

This was before the Nazi takeover, that’s why Einstein fled to the USA. Heisenberg was a patriot so he decided to stay despite the rumours that he was a white Jew. His team was formed based off German colleagues he met at a nuclear physics meet in Bern Switzerland 1935. But since the rumours were there it took him a year to prove the Nazi’s his loyalty and get the green light on his project for the nuclear bomb

[inner mortar]

no... I meant when they opted to attack Greece

[stable moon]

Artillery is unfair and broken

[sacred tundra]

Yeah, thanks to that the German units obtained crucial empirical experience

They were baptized by combat

[inner mortar]

and delayed Barbarossa?

[sacred tundra]

And the time delay of invasion Barbarossa due to consecutive wars with Yugoslavia and Greece, consolidated German units AND foremost significant - more tanks were produced

And besides tanks

Different types of reinforcement reserves as well

It turned out well contrary to the Germans who opposed assistance of Italy

*contrary to the thoughts of these German experts

[vale cipher]

🫡🇺🇲

[light moat]

Its a way of life

[sacred tundra]

For them yeah lol

[sly trail]

China needs globalisation though, they are a net importer

like even if the US collapses other countries will still need global imports and exports

[sacred tundra]

Of course they will, China in particular

Without imports China would utterly, inexorably collapse

They import most of their energy

Food

Resources

Materials for industrial commodities

And their markets are FULLY dependent (and the whole economy) on globalization- they are a provider and primary assembly of middle and low end goods

[stable moon]

dreadnoughts are unfair

[fair hearth]

real

My ideal ship is

Basically

a panzerschiffe

but

bigger gun

and it's just one gun

no armor

Lowkey starting to sound like a monitor

what if

destroyer

but just one huge cannon

[sly trail]

nah it's just a loaded gun with people rowing on it

[stable moon]

how about a sturmtiger strapped on a DD

[fair hearth]

You know

for some reason

My background knowledge is telling me

This actually exists

Not a sturmtiger

but like some fat ass rocket or mortar

[quick surge]

Honestly what I think would be cool is if Kriegsmarine attached V1 launchers on their battleships or something

[stable sand]

Did they even have battleships at that point in the war?

[crisp lantern]

that would be sick but I doubt the V1s had the power to get themselves off the ground/ sea

[crisp lantern]

Tonight on Hitler's Awesome Nazi Nightmare Machines

[sacred tundra]

I mean, it would look awesome, however, it wouldn’t serve the battlefield purposes properly

V1 launching pods on land were simply more conceived

Convenient*

Or rather expedient if we consider the rocket’s detrimental impact on England lol

My point is that on the ships V1 launchers would be easier targets annihilated by the Royal Navy

[quick surge]

There is no way that isnt photoshopped wtf

Wait waht

Rocket U-Boats?

[sly trail]

It's a regulus missile on a submarine, you can go see it in new york

[eager lodge]

I've seen it in person

it's pretty wacky

The missiles are stored in horizontal silos but are taken out and propped up on a railing for deployment.

[sly trail]

yeah same

[mortal dock]

Asian are people from the continent of Asia bitches

[steep pine]

Or when they referred to Prussia and Hesse as Germany during my Revolutionary war unit

[kind compass]

prussia was a cool country

[inner mortar]

you just gave a fabricated claim for Asians to demand the whole Pacific Ocean

[stable moon]

alright then

time to revive the IJN

[inner mortar]

casts a necromancy spell in Yasukuni shrine

[steep pine]

Do I even wanna say it

[vale cipher]

I appreciate Astra 400 pistols due to the Spanish Civil war history behind them.

[steep pine]

The most controversial opinion I believe is that ideology is just a concept

I think that ideology is simply a concept, drawn up by desperate humans in their time of need

And I firmly believe that ideology is a stupid thing for people to believe in

[remote hazel]

Ehh that’s not controversial

[steep pine]

Not that controversial

[crisp lantern]

communist

fr what do you mean? Do you mean all ideologies (facism. communism, capitalism), or all belief systems?

[steep pine]

Every belief system

Communism, Fascism, Capitalism, Socialism, Primitivism (Yes thats a thing), Syndicalism

All of it is just a concept

[crisp lantern]

such as religions or nationality or whatever?

[steep pine]

I mean if you want to include religion in there

Yes

[crisp lantern]

huh

[steep pine]

I mean personally I am a Catholic

But I also have an open mind

[crisp lantern]

but wouldnt you say theres nothing worth believing in unless your willing to die for it?

if you wouldnt die for an ideology /idea you believe in, whats the point in believing in it?

[steep pine]

Why would I be willing to die for an ideology

If ideology is just a concept

Why would I wanna die for a concept that hasn't been proven yet

[crisp lantern]

what if that ideology led to a happier life for you, your family, your friends, and the world?

im not saying all ideologys do that, just putting it out there

[remote hazel]

I am part of the Gamer ideology

[steep pine]

That's called Utopia

And Utopia doesn't exist

Well no Utopia can't exist

[crisp lantern]

I understand where your coming from, but my view point is, there are a few things in life that have given my many things, for which I am grateful, and I am willing to die for those things in the unlikely case

[mortal dock]

No that’s Oceania

[ornate imp]

they should repay every colony they've owned

45 trillion in 173 years to india

south africa

austrailia

their african colonies

the middle east

they should also pay for the results of wars and disputes caused by their drawing of countries' borders

and the british museum should return everything stolen "permanently borrowed"

[crisp lantern]

tbh britain did do like a ton of infrastructure stuff down there

although yeah they were dweebs

[quick surge]

Just so that looting india would be easier for them

It was not meant for the Indians themselves, there is a reason why today Howrah Junction, Mumbai CSTM, Vishakhapatnam all have bigger train stations than Delhi

Even though Delhi had such vast amounts of passenger traffic

CSTM and Howrah have way bigger stations simply because they are connected to the same ports the british could use to loot India

[inner mortar]

well... certain portions of that archipelagic "continent" are populated by peoples originating from Asia
Same goes for the Bering landbridge roamers that inhabited the New World

checkmate nativists

[vale cipher]

Well it is stupid to have all your actions having to adhere to a set of ideas rather than do what is best.

[mortal dock]

Nooo

[limpid folio]

If it weren’t for the actions of the British empire we’d either still have slavery or be relatively new away from slavery

The West African squadron

[remote hazel]

Slavery is still happening

Just illegally

[limpid folio]

It was bc of the west African squadron that the transatlantic slave trade effectively ended

And if a politician was able to magic trillions of pounds out of thin air, it would be political suicide- regardless of the financial costs. A 2014 YouGov poll found that 59% of brits are proud of the empire and its achievements, with 30% believing that it’s former colonies were better off under British rule.

It’s not an excuse for all that happened

But it just won’t happen bc of politics

[steep pine]

COD, HOI4, which game gamer ideology

[remote hazel]

The overarching one

[kind compass]

Wat

[balmy sandal]

Sweedish empire should have won the GNW

[steep pine]

Hitler did nothing wrong

[crisp lantern]

Yeah

[crisp lantern]

He just didnt do the right things

[stray magnet]

B i g Sweden

[quick surge]

Thats after they operated numerous slave trading syndicates in and out of Africa and were the most profitable business for Liverpool, Bristol and Glasgow. And even after they tried to "Stop" slave trade by abolishing it, the Wealthy Victorian British families that made their money out of the slave economy, 1/5th of the elites of the wealth class in Britain in the 19th Century owed their money to transporting 3 Million Africans across the waters and in fact in 1833, when slavery was abolished, what happened was that a compensation of 10 Million pounds was paid not as reparations to those who had lost their lives or who had suffered or oppressed by slavery but to those who had lost their property. Property implies the slaves they “Owned”.

[quick surge]

Well that isnt our fault is it? You blew all that off to god knows where. Definately not contributing to india certainly
I will agree to some extent, that monetary compensation immediately does not make complete sense. But monetary reparations are not redundant because they have been done before. Britain has paid reparations to the Maori tribes of New Zealand AND victims of the Mao Mao massacre. There is Japan's to Korea, Germany's to Poland, Italy's to Libya for example as well. So again its not something that unprecedented where it will open some nasty Pandora's box.

And again, referring to that poll where Britain are proud of the empire. When you have a situation where a proportion of the population is proud of the Genocide commited in Bengal, the Massacres in Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and India and justifies torture and maiming of millions of people across more than 200 years of rule, I am certain that its a new low that the British have reached while trying to Justify why, forget monetary reparations, a simple Letter of Apology, hell even apologise in the UK parliament for their crimes against humanity in the colonies.

[quick surge]

And well to answer the questions will it happen?
Yes.

If you have been watching current affairs then you will understand that other former colonial empires such as Netherlands, France and Belgium have been repatriating stolen cultural artifacts. Even last year London museum repatriated somne of the Benin bronzes back

[fair hearth]

Kim Jong Un is pretty

[quick surge]

Go marry him then

[fair hearth]

Is he free?

[quick surge]

Should be iirc last i checked his calender

[fair hearth]

Too bad his people aren't free

[quick surge]

Dosent stop you from putting a ring on him

[balmy sandal]

I’m not sweedish I just love the empire

[stray magnet]

I know but, big Sweden

[balmy sandal]

S W E E D E N

[stray magnet]

Expanded Sweden

Stretch that Sweden horizontally

[quick surge]

S W E E D E N

Done

[balmy sandal]

IKEA people make big empire

[fair hearth]

Sweden big pp energy

[balmy sandal]

Y E S

[balmy sandal]

Fr tho

[quick surge]

That, was horribly spaced.

[balmy sandal]

Old sweeden

[quick surge]

Go to Gulag

[balmy sandal]

No I’m going to s w e e d e n

[quick surge]

Sweeden ALSO has gulags

[balmy sandal]

Proof

[quick surge]

I dont need to give you proof
I AM the proof

[balmy sandal]

💀💀💀

Sweeden did nothing wrong ever

Wait

Ignore what I just said

[quick surge]

Too late, FBI on their way to your location

[balmy sandal]

Nooooooooooooooooo

[limpid folio]

I dont think you realise the cost that setting up and running the west african squadron. It is widely regarded as the most expensive "moral action" in history, in monetary and human terms. The squadron was in service in its theatre for 50 years, with 13 ships in total surving under its name/command. Most of these ships had around 14 guns (in the earlier days) and later ships were steam powered- this all required large amount of money to pay the sailors, for maintainance ect. Another not so well known cost was the human cost to the RN. 1600 sailors died whilst on active service supressing the slave trade- a ratio of 1-9 in terms of dead sailors to slaves freed. Whilst it would be very time consuming to try calculate the monetary cost, we can both agree it would be worth a lot more than that 10 million given out of compensation

[stray magnet]

Nah it’s just a comically large ikea

So large you can’t even find the exit

[fair hearth]

I just like free money so I agree with reparations

[balmy sandal]

Scp 3009

[stray magnet]

the store is now closed, please exit the building

[balmy sandal]

The store is now closed please exit the building

[fair hearth]

Exiting ikeas is easy

I use the entrance

[limpid folio]

The returning of artifacts is more likely to happen than the compensation sceme you so desire. A week or two ago, the National Museum of Scotland returned a totem pole back to the Canadian tribe that created it- there's some support in the UK for returning items from museums, but hardly any for the creation of a compensation scheme that you referenced

[quick surge]

Either you are blind or you are stupid. I would say both.
Just because you spent so and so money stopping what you started dosent mean you suddenly are this pacifist figure. That 10 Million dollars was given as compensation for the fact that regular citizens under the victorian england could not own slaves.

Not to the slaves themselves

[quick surge]

Well as for the monetary reparations, it would and should happen. I mean ofc not as a one time payment that would be unfeasable. Maybe similar to what the TOV did to Germany where over a period of time installments were paid as reparations

It may take 100 years sure

but it took 90 years for Germany to pay off the TOV debt

Yet it was paid

[limpid folio]

Victorian voting at the time basically meant that unless you owned land/property, you were unable to vote. This meant that the only ppl who could vote in 1833, were those who benefited from the Slave Trade. So as a politican, would you enact an act of parliment that would see many of your key voters loose large sums of money (as slaves had a value, which to the modern era sounds horrendous as they are people) would you not try and ensure their losses are compensated so they still vote for you? Without this compensation sceme, the abolishment of slavery wouldnt have happened in 1833- thus meaning the slave trade could still legally exist today, as Britain set the example, which the rest of the world soon followed.

[limpid folio]

As a Brit, I can tell you no one in mainstream media even thinks about reparations. When the discussion of repatriating these items happens on TV or radio, no one even goes anywhere near the concept of monetary compensation. As it stands there is no appetite for this, and as the population ages, becoming more conservative it is unlikely to develop, as many people would see this move as 'woke', thus facing considerable opposition from the right wing.

[quick surge]

There was compensation provided simply to appeal to the voters of the British empire to make sure that they did not lose anything. If you look at the sentiments of the time and how they were, the overall arching attitude was that British voters wanted to keep their slaves. However the fact that just because Britain paid off its voters and bought the freedom of the slaves which by the way I should say the amout was not fully paid until 2015, didnt change the fact that the British were basically lining the pockets of voters just to stop the slave trade which is something that the British STARTED in the first place

[quick surge]

As an Indian I can tell you, we are still facing the effects of your dogmatic colonialism over my country for 200 years. The plunder, loot and bloodshed still is noticeable. You talked about how this does not reach the media, well certainly not everyday but the topic hasbeen increasingly been on the hot button. Ever since Tharoor gave that oxofrd union speech in '15 appeared before Piers morgan as well i think in '18 and spoke in multiple universities such as Edinburgh and Oxford and iirc, a scottish one as well. Word is getting out faster and faster. Even with India now increasing the ante on diplomatic pressure on Kohinoor and other stuff, its gonna be a little while before I see reparations to start

[limpid folio]

So you're agreeing with me that without that money, British participation in the trade wouldnt have ended in 1833?

[quick surge]

No
What I am saying is that it is the delusion that the British ended the slave trade because they genuinely cared for the slaves. The lining of pockets was not needed at all, anyway the money to pay off also came from putting other nations under British slavery. If they did care then the British would not have shown support for the Confederate cause for keeping slaves in the Civil war, and would have paid reparations to the SLAVES for the torture they faced due to the effects of the slave trade they started

[limpid folio]

speeches in universities do not widely reach the media- left wing or right wing. And universities are full of people who are more likely to support such a scheme, as academics and students are generally more liberal/left wing than others. It may have a localised impact, but it needs to have a wider impact before it even reaches the floor of parliament. There's a considerable list of things that needs to happen before any form of scheme, so its unlikely to happen

[limpid folio]

If Britain didnt end its role in slavery for moral reasons, why did it? For the economic benefits of more expensive goods as costs rise, the cost of fighting the slave trade and the social tensions that came with it? The slaves werent given any money as there was a large element of scientific racism within the elite, the idea of Britons are built superior to other races, so the elite didnt want those they considered lesser to have such amounts of money

[vale cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huSsm22bXzA

🤯

[vale cipher]

Sorry he already is having an affair with Trump.

Love letters and all.

"Take me to the stars rocket man" 😂

[stable moon]

TORPEDOES ARE UNFAIR AND BROKEN TORPEDOES ARE UNFAIR AND BROKEN TORPEDOES ARE UNFAIR AND BROKEN TORPEDOES ARE UNFAIR AND BROKEN TORPEDOES ARE UNFAIR AND BROKEN

[light moat]

Then dont go inthe water

Or be the one with the torpedoes

[light moat]

My fav kpop star

[steep pine]

Stalingrad was faked by the Chinese, to undermine our control of the navies of Vatican City and Uzbekistan, so Armenia can invade the Chilean Congo through the straits of Gibraltar and assassinate, Czar Commisar Leader of the Iberian Junta George W Bush VI, and sit Kim Jong Un on the throne of Schlewsig-Holstein.

[inner mortar]

Goodbye forum

[steep pine]

?

[fair hearth]

Sir leaking the latest CIA plans is discouraged from the server

[steep pine]

Why?

[stable moon]

War thunder lore

[balmy sandal]

Sir friendly fire to fellow idiots is discouraged

[light moat]

Nothing important happened on June 4th 1989

(have to say this to avoid the PLA)

[balmy sandal]

Tibet is Western propoganda (I have to say this for pla too )

[light moat]

I can feel the social credits going up

[sacred tundra]

Arabic nations must pay reparations to literally all of Europe (including each Slavic nation) for the heinous vices and atrocities they inflicted upon the Medieval Europe - that is to say, there were multifold instances of sea raids upon Mediterranean and Black Sea villages, ransacking, pillages and abhorrent pictures unseen, slaves were also acquired through the market, however, a preponderance of these poor Europeans were simply abducted. The Arabs specifically intended to obtain the “white, pure women” whom they could sexually assault to death. Once they made their way into the Caliphate, European slaves were castrated on a regular basis, and while they did not have to convert to Islam immediately, it was expected that they eventually would either proselytize by pressure or be killed. Contrary to the conquered lands of the Muslim Caliphates, there was no option for charaj (tribute for unwilling to concert to Islamic faith), for slaves. We do not have precise estimated estimated number of enslaved victims since counted since VII century to XI century, however we may assume it in at least a million or over that. It would well to take a look at Muslim Iberia. At its apogee, 20% of Muslim Iberia’s population consisted of slaves, which numbered between 1 and 2 million people, most of whom were Europeans. A large number of these slaves were ethnic Iberians, who were continaully captured by the Arab Muslim Rulers during their wars with the Northern Iberian Kingdoms. Raiding expeditions were sent north annually, often with the sole purpose of capturing slaves. This practice became especially intense during the reign of Almanzor in the late 10th century. He conducted over 57 campaigns against the Northern Iberian Kingdoms, and captured so many slaves that he was referred to as “the slave importer”. When the Almanzor ransacked Barcelona in 985 alone, the entire population were killed or enslaved. That displays how immense was the damage incurred by Muslim conquerors

It’s notably significant to mention the battle of Poitiers in 732 whereas Charlemagne emerged victorious. However, consider the fact that Poitiers was located deeply in the French territory. During their campaigns, Muslim Saracens (as they were known at the time) had no mercy on impoverished Europeans

HOWEVER, let’s investigate the periodical between 15th - 19th century when Europe was steadily expanding and growing into the world’s superpower

These are the ages we may measure most adequately, there are estimates for the 16th to the 19th century. At that age, Arab and Berber corsairs conducted wide scale slave raids thoughout the entire Mediterranean Sea, but also large parts of Western Europe and as far north as Iceland. The Barbary Pirates captured and enslaved up to 1 million Europeans.

The Ottomans, they centered across female slave trade as well. That’s worth mentioning I suppose

Here’s a list of Europeans captured by Arabs during different battles, raids and events during the Middle Ages.

Tens of thousands of Cypriots were enslaved by the Rashidun Caliphate after attacking Cyprus in the mid 7th century

-When the Umayyad Caliphate conquered Iberia in the early 8th century, as many as 150 000 Iberians were enslaved

-In 721, as many as 45 000 people in Narbonne (France) were enslaved by the Umayyad Caliphate after capturing the city

-7000 Greeks were enslaved by the Abbasid Caliphate after conquering the city of Ephesus (Anatolia) in 781

-16 000 Cypriots were enslaved by the Abbasid caliphate following an attack on Cyprus in 806

-Tens of thousands of Cretans were enslaved by Arabs from Muslim Iberia after conquering Crete in 827

-35 000 inhabitants of Anzen (Anatolia) were enslaved by the Abbasid Caliphate after conquering the city in 838. In the same year, the city of Amorium was also sacked by the Caliphate, who enslaved tens of thousands of its inhabitants

In 838, an Arab fleet raided the Italian island of Lipari, who killed and enslaved the entire population

-In 838/839, thousands of slaves were captured as by Arabs following a raid on Marseille (France)

-In 859, the city of Enna (Italy) was besiged by the Arabs, who enslaved thousands of its inhabitants, mostly women and children

-In 870, the island of Malta was conquered by the Aghlabids. During the conquest, it was reported that 3000 men were killed, while 3500 women and 5000 children were enslaved

-17 000 Sicillians were enslaved by the Arabs after conquering the city of Syracruse in 877/878

-Thousands of Sicillians were enslaved by the Aghlabids after conquering the city of Taormina in 902. In the same year, 15 000 inhabitants of Reggio (Italy) were enslaved by an Arab fleet following an attack on the city

-22 000 Greeks were enslaved by an Arab fleet after sacking the city of Thessaloniki in 904

-In 927, the city of Taranto (Italy) was raided by an Arab fleet. Many inhabitants were killed, while the survivors were enslaved

-In 934, the city of Genoa (Italy) was raided by the Fatimid Caliphate, who took as many as 8000 people.

-In 983, the city of Simancas (Spain) was captured by Almanzor, who took 17 000 women as slaves. Two years later, 70 000 people were captured by Almanzor after his destruction of Barcelona, and were sent to the slave markets in Cordoba. 30 000 Iberians were captured after his conquest of Leon. In 999, Almanzor had taken 18 000 captives after a raid on Pamplon

If the Brits must pay India then yeah, above you can see a list of my grievances as well

And by the way, why does it merely point at Britain, it wasn’t the only sole, historic empire who colonized lands

Oh by the way, I hope you @quick surge are aware of the genuine plethora of Muslim conquests in India and their history of persecution and violence, I’m specifically referring to the many battles and campaigns initiated by the Islamic nations on the territories of the Indian subcontinent (precisely, Pakistan was most afflicted). Perhaps you could also provide us with a list of their atrocities instead of mentioning solely the British Empire

Omnipresent Muslim Pakistan and Bangladesh, Indonesia as well as particular Hindis of Islamist faith, are a testament, a true legacy of the Muslim interference into India’s sphere of influence and the countries on the subcontinent itself

[quick surge]

What the fuck happened here

Hell naw im not reading that entire thing Bruh

[quick surge]

I mean I would love to speak about reparation from Pakistan but the truth is, the value cannot be determined for 2 specific reasons.

1. The conflicts you are noting are still ongoing such as the Kashmir Issue and hence solving the issue first would be better off first hand

2. Even if I would produce a list of atrocities the muslims have done, the payment has already been taken by the British after looting Delhi and other prominent cities like Hyderabad under Mughal rule. So even if we were to produce some let’s say a list, the bill will still end up on the table of His Majesty

[sacred tundra]

No man, the losses in people at that time were equal for large portions of the already poor economies of Europe

During the medieval ages, that is to say.

The loot British took was at their prime growth, it didn’t contribute to substantial portions of the GDP

It simply ended in king’s coffers

British Raj was exploited for resources and that’s a difference

[sly trail]

The people of today are not responsable for the actions of their ancestors

[sacred tundra]

I know. It was merely a response that the post colonies of Europe aren’t the only ones out there who suffered

[sacred tundra]

And yes, I wouldn’t support any reparations for what our long gone forefathers did

Well if we are to be exact here, the British population percentage who owned slaves is 1%

[steep pine]

I mean no offense, but try telling that to BLM.

[sly trail]

they have zero political power

[steep pine]

Thats true.

[light moat]

Is this a ramt or a fact list?

Rant*

[sacred tundra]

If you truly intend to fact check it, off you go

You can do it

It’s all a fraction of what the Muslims had done to Europe

I haven’t mentioned the fall of Constantinople - a city by the time with around a million residents. All dead or enslaved during the siege of primitive Osman Turkish

[sacred tundra]

Try telling the BLM to avoid destroying American cities, both public and private property, deteriorating the infrastructure, decimating communities, and creating disarray

Oh and tell the organization to actually assist impoverished Black communities and families instead of purchasing a mansion for donors’ money

Challenges impossible

I myself stand with every American who believes his nation is worthy of respect, consideration, commitment and work. Whether white, black, Indian, or whatever ethnicity or race - the US is built upon the high skilled immigration

All the people from astride the world come there with their cultures to set a new life and future

[rigid oar]

the steel combat helmets such as the M1 steel pot helm should be re-issued

[sly trail]

Modern helmets are lighter, better and more modular

[fair hearth]

The modern modular military 😎

MMM

[steep pine]

Thats what im trying to say.

[fair hearth]

I really think this channel should get deleted with the amount of rule 3 violations happening in here

[steep pine]

Ok.

[fair hearth]

What's with the ok.

?

[steep pine]

You want it deleted, i don't care.

[fair hearth]

Do you really have to say you don't care

Sounds like you actually care telling me you don't care

Pretty hypocritical ngl

[steep pine]

In all honesty, i just don't, plus the name is bound to bring rule 3 violations.

[quick surge]

Instead do one thing then

make it clear

[fair hearth]

Maybe people should just read the rules

[quick surge]

that its limited to HISTORICAL opinions

I know i havent been the most obedient in that manner

[remote hazel]

Or use someone as an example

[quick surge]

....

I do not like the sound of that

[fair hearth]

#☕・fireside-chat doesn't have to make that clear

Even without a reminder

[quick surge]

I mean this channel itself is more bound to go in that direction

Not saying but

i mean just write a reminder message

put it in pins

and then do you

[fair hearth]

@remote hazel can you put a pinned message here?

[remote hazel]

Maybe?

All opinions must be historical and therefore must be before 2013, any other opinion after 2013 will be deleted and the poster will be punished

[remote hazel]

Now time to implement this

Retroactively

[quick surge]

Pwese

Im a buby boi

[crystal nebula]

For me İts that WW1 Germany had a way more chance in winning than in WW2

[quick surge]

WW1 was impossible to get a better chance at winning

[sly trail]

the germans were starving to death

like...

[crystal nebula]

İn both wars

[sly trail]

Less so in the second

the nazis pillaged europe for food

[crystal nebula]

And İ mean if they handled the first part of the War better

İts not the Germans fault that they lost though, İts their Allies'

[sly trail]

The blockade wouldn't disapear lol

like even if their allies won everywhere

[viral oasis]

I blame the trenchwarfare for why germany didn‘t take more land

but they would have lost anyway, they aren‘t good at attrition-based warfare

[crystal nebula]

Well they would just get resources from the countries they had conquered

[sly trail]

Yeah no

they tried that

[crystal nebula]

They had only conquered Belgium at that time

[sly trail]

they were deep into russia

[crystal nebula]

Russia is a shithole in natural resources

And by that time it was Clear the German Allies were doomed

[sly trail]

Ukraine is a breadbasket

[crystal nebula]

Ukraine was only taken after Bretsk Litovsk and it was too late to end starvation just from there

[sly trail]

Yes and that didn't stop them from starving then

[crystal nebula]

Thats exactly my point

[sly trail]

Germany couldn't win this

[crystal nebula]

İ know, but the chance was still higher than in ww2

[sly trail]

0% and 1%

[crystal nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/rjumen-laugh-man-cool-nice-perfect-gif-23675313

Higher is still higher sir

[sly trail]

[light moat]

September 11th 2001

[stable sand]

From nearly impossible, to unlikely

At least they beat Russia in ww1

[crystal nebula]

Yeah thats why İ think that

[stable sand]

They probably could have won if they knocked France out right away like they originally intended, but then they would still have to deal with the UK

[tiny heath]

Can Latin Americans get reparations too

[tiny heath]

BLM explaining how buying mansions will help black people

[quick surge]

They handled WW2 slightly better militarily

Better conquests and betetr chances of winning

[crystal nebula]

The defeat at Eastern Front destroyed them for the rest 3 years of the War though

[quick surge]

That was due to Stalingrad and they did have the city 90% in their control at one point

But they lost that due to a mistake

here

in ww1

no matter if you have god strat or not you just could not get an advantage

[crystal nebula]

They wouldve still lost even if they won Stalingrad

[quick surge]

No if they had stalingrad, they had a better shot at winning

Salingrad is where afterwards they lost steam

because if they did win stalingrad caucasus would fall in no time

and moscow would be in reach

[crystal nebula]

Nope.

Germany wouldnt be able to face Soviet Russia's huge Man and production power along with the disadvantegous weather

While fighting a 2 Front war

[quick surge]

Here is the thing, the manpower rise came only due to the pushback of stalingrad which lasted for months. Assuming that after they did get that 90% to 100%, no matter how much tank s are being pumped out, the Wehrmacht could have easily overrun moscow

even after

they get access to caucausus

which gives them oikl

HUGE ones

The reason the manpower and production rose was due to the massive stall by guerillas in stalingrad which helped to buy time

so if that didnt happen, stalin had no chance to buy time

[crystal nebula]

Nope. The Soviets would just put a considerable amount of troops to defend Moscow, and before Stalingrad, the Germans had already tries to encircle Moscow but failed

[quick surge]

No matter how much troops they put it dosent matter. By that time as well Schwerer Gustav would have arrived which would have been a complete nightmare

[crystal nebula]

"No matter How much troops they put it doesnt matter" Bro what are You on💀

[fair hearth]

Ww2 is just ww1 schlieffen but succesful

[fair hearth]

Dawg

The Germans struggled in Stalingrad

Which barely saw attention at the beginning of Fall Blau and enjoyed the advantage of surprise with majority of the red army being concentrated near Moscow

What more Moscow

At best cutting off the caucasus would just prolong the war

Even if they did take Moscow it's very unlikely the Soviets would capitulate

Afterall it's a war of extermination

[crystal nebula]

Agreed.

[steep pine]

True.

[fair hearth]

Hitler is cute

[tiny heath]

Is Hitler hot or ugly

Debate

[light moat]

[sacred tundra]

I mean yeah it does, however, before the Germans arrived the Soviets had set all the oil drills on fire

Establishing supply lines concatenated with completely new oil rigs would take a couple of months

Perhaps if the Germans held out, they would attain advantage. Though there comes the prospect of dispersed forces across vast swaths of the Soviet territory. They couldn’t simply maintain a whole line, the Soviets supported by constant allied shipping would eventually achieve a breakthrough

[odd flower]

Then why allowed to keep it?

[steep pine]

Counter argument, the Teutonic Order and the Kievan-Rus should return at their largest height

[steep pine]

The Hapsburg was weak, why not the Hohenstaufen dynasty or the Wittelsbachs

[stray magnet]

Fair enough

Also late response?

[stray magnet]

Counter argument, old Bulgaria (when they had the Crimea)

[remote hazel]

Counter Argument: You've been Countered

[stray magnet]

Counter counter argument: your counter argument used against my counter is invalid

[quick surge]

Counter counter counter argument: all your arguments are invalid due to low social credit score

[remote hazel]

Counter counter counter counter argument: Social Credit is irrelevant

[stray magnet]

Countering the above counter argument: we actually live under an authoritarian one party griffin bot republic

[fair hearth]

My argument has no counter

[remote hazel]

Counter this argument: it's an absolute monarchy under GriffBot

[stable moon]

Artillery is unfair and broken

[fair hearth]

Guided artillery

[stable moon]

Should be nerfed tbh

[kind compass]

true

[steep pine]

First Empire?

[remote hazel]

Nah before them

Old Great Bulgaria

[kind compass]

counter counter counter arguement,ALL OF THEM EXIST :D

[ornate imp]

we should nuke california

and china

[stray magnet]

So true

[stray magnet]

[stable moon]

ik this breaks rule 3 but ukrainian counteroffensive wouldve have succeeded if they deployed freddy fazebear

[quick surge]

Nah bro have mangle come at 3 am over the roof the kremlin lmaooo

Or tbh hiding foxy in one of his like suit cabinets makes sense as well

[remote hazel]

I knew William was the main character all along

[quick surge]

Ok tbh we still dont know if he was phone guy

William was spring trap tho

Tho which one was ur personal fav?

For me In terms of horror it would be 4, but storyline wise 3

[lavish field]

William Afton is Putin

[solid portal]

The A10 is still a valid close aut support platform.

[balmy sandal]

Fr tho

[steep pine]

Ths F35 shouldn't replace the A-10 because a fighter jet isn't fucking CAS

[fair hearth]

You must've forgotten the F-35 is a multi role jet designed from the ground up to also replace the A 10

[steep pine]

No

[fair hearth]

Wdym no

That's the whole concept of the JSF program

[remote hazel]

This A-10 debate has already probably blown someone’s brains out

[fair hearth]

Can someone at least say replace the A-10 with a more modern dedicated CAS aircraft

Instead of goddamn keeping an old airframe for the next decades to come

Shit is way too slow

White names and enlisted folks' opinions don't mean shit

Anyone who disagrees with me will be sent to the shadow realm

[steep pine]

Upgrade the A-10

No replacing

Unless it still uses the GAU-8 avenger

[fair hearth]

Out with the old! In with the new!

The A-10 is an ugly plane and yall know it!

[solid portal]

Sometimes the old is still needed. Cough cough f4 phantom

[fair hearth]

Agreed, your grandpa has better opinions than you

[solid portal]

I meant the F4 is a perfect example of over modernization to the point its not practical

I feel like we have done this before

[fair hearth]

The F4 was supposed to be an interceptor, not an air superiority fighter

We have

And my opinion is in line with the Pentagon

😎

[solid portal]

And the F35 is not meant for dedicated CAS either. Like it can, but the A10 does it better

[fair hearth]

Nah unlike most multi roles designed to supplement rather than replace

Thr F 35 is a multi role designed to replace

One of the requirements for the F 35 was to have a payload similar to that of the A-10

And yes it carries more bombs than the A-10

[solid portal]

Which F35?

[fair hearth]

Range and cost is the only metric the F-35 loses

[fair hearth]

A

I take my leave

[solid portal]

A can't even take off near the target. In an urgent situation where CAS is needed, you can't wait 2 hours for the F35, or you can wait 0 minutes from the A10 that was already loitering above your position

I honestly don't want to do this again

[fair hearth]

You're an A 10 kisser aren't ya

UwU

[solid portal]

F35 simp

[fair hearth]

Facts dont care about your feelings

[solid portal]

OH MY GOD, MUH STELFFF.

[fair hearth]

I dont recall the F-35 being pushed to retirement

[solid portal]

MUH STELLF, USEFUL AGAINST AK47S YUH

[fair hearth]

?

[solid portal]

Stealth doesn't matter in any war the US us currently in

Like it's useful, but a 30mm is more useful

Along with the runways it can takeoff from

[fair hearth]

He doesn't know that militaries are designed to fight a specific potential enemy, ya know like Russia or China

Kek 30mm cope

Even a prop plane does it better

[solid portal]

I doubt that we will ne in an active conflict against Russia and China

[fair hearth]

With that logic

The entire US navy should just disband itself

What's the point of force projection innit

Stop dreaming

Wake up!

[solid portal]

Does an f15 not project force? I am not saying tge F35 should be retired, I am saying it can't replace tge A10 in CAS

[fair hearth]

It can tho

And it already is replacing it 🤣

I'm sure the folks in the Pentagon definitely know more about what they're doing than you do

If an F 22 can sneak behind two F-4s and do some trolling, I don't expect an A-10 to do any better

[solid portal]

Which it can force project all it wants but tge A10 is fat mor erratically in the situations that tge US military us currently in

[fair hearth]

Lol armies aren't just designed for the present

[solid portal]

Anyway I am sick of this. We could go back and forth all day

[fair hearth]

Even the A-10 wasn't designed for counter insurgency

[fair hearth]

L opinion

I already won this debate 😎

The US army agrees with me

[solid portal]

Dude, we have done this 3 times. I made the same point I will make here.

[fair hearth]

L

[pale otter]

Contriversal opinion: Our presidents should start building straight walls before we start conspiring about domes, and irregular shapes like birds

[sly trail]

My man have you heard of Taiwan?

[lavish field]

True

[solid portal]

Are we fighting in Taiwan?

[sly trail]

It's likely to be the next major war yes

besides, the GAU-8 is outdated

[solid portal]

If there is a next major war in the next 50 years

[sly trail]

The US should be ready to fight China, the A-10 does not fit this mission

neither is it a perticularly good CAS platform

[solid portal]

Yes but it shouldn't give up its ability to fights in the wars we are already in

[sly trail]

getting rid of the A-10 doesn't stop the US from doing that

[sly trail]

Like the A-10 doesn't even fit the current war model as guided bombs are prefered

It's slow, outdated, doesn't have a radar, etc

[fair hearth]

Even the A 10 is dogshit in low intensity conflicts

Overkill platform to be only used against infantry

[lavish field]

A10 mid

F111 superior 💪

[steep pine]

It's as ugly as a Gewehr 88

[steep pine]

Another controversial opinion, we should go back to using bolt action rifles and early automatic weaponry

Like WW1 and the interwar period

[tiny heath]

Personally the a-10 should be kept because of that cool Minigun noise

[lavish field]

[steep pine]

Exactly

[viral oasis]

it‘s old tech though

[high parrot]

The neitherlands should own the british isles

[steep pine]

Reverse 1690s

But they should also own South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, and Zimbabwe

[high parrot]

God no, jesus christ

[steep pine]

I'm back and I'm here to retorment this server

[high parrot]

The jesus evil brother

[steep pine]

It's because I'm American

I must cause undeterred destruction

Here's a good one
The Rhodesian army and SAS was pretty based ngl

[inner mortar]

Jacobite Netherlands

House of Stooarte

[high parrot]

You are protestant jesus