Custom Lunar mods

[cobalt ivy]

To be clear, I am NOT asking for Forge support. I'm wondering if it's possible to make/publicize a Lunar Client custom modloader, so that people would be able to make their own mods specifically for Lunar.

[prime scroll]

kinda pointless…fabric and forge have a lot of mods to use, meanwhile mods developer has to work on something with much less playerbase and (possibly) worse modloader

[outer fog]

^^^ also instead of making people make their own mods

why don't they just add the mods instead

and i know very well that new users are gonna go in #📋︱community-support and keep asking about it every 5 seconds without even trying to know how to make one.

[fair orbit]

sounds viable, would be nice if you could develop mods that integrate directly into lunar's "mods" tab

[fair orbit]

code conflicts are one thing, and it's why so many mods are incompatible with lunar. if lunar had a modloader and sdk that developers can build upon, it would benefit both developers, players, and moonsworth.

[outer fog]

i believe he was not talking about the fabric mods

[cobalt ivy]

Also since lunar already has a modloader, they could just release it to the public. At least until they do add Forge support

[fair orbit]

i'm talking about their current modloading in general, which is coming to forge soon

[outer fog]

modloader??? public???? what do you mean?

fabrci modloading is already there

[fair orbit]

lunar does have its own modloader

[fair orbit]

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[outer fog]

some mods are incompatible scuh as those:

[fair orbit]

developing fabric mods and making sure you do not use the same exports that lunar client uses is impossible

would result to tons of trial and error

[prime scroll]

surprisingly no one asked

he get a point ngl

[outer fog]

ok

[fair orbit]

if you overlap lunar's code choices, your mod will cause issues or crash. if lunar provides the resources for developers to develop stable and performant mods, it will benefit everyone

[cobalt ivy]

Which is why it's be nice if lunar have us it's existing sdk

[outer fog]

ohhhh

[fair orbit]

that's true

[outer fog]

i understand it now

okay that's good

[fair orbit]

👍🏻

[prime scroll]

i mean

theres some things that can already be done to make fabric compatibility better

[fair orbit]

why did https://discord.com/channels/555932873798975568/1394087410668929126 turn spanish?

[outer fog]

idk

[cobalt ivy]

Maybe I need to be asking for Lunar to make it's mods open source lol

[fair orbit]

if lunar provided their sdk or/and modloading system, it would provide a deeper integration between the mod and lunar

[prime scroll]

they could make a toggle to the lunar built in fabric mods like sodium, lithium

[fair orbit]

and it would also provide ease of use, considering it would be right next to where you configure existing lunar mods such as ping

[outer fog]

ion think lc is supposed to be an open source...

[fair orbit]

they do have plenty of open source tooling

[prime scroll]

indeed, but what if lunar just share some of its code so developers knows how to avoid conflicts and make fabric mods that works on lunar?

[fair orbit]

they are avoiding that, considering that the lunar code appears to be obfuscated

they wouldn't release major parts of their code

and from my perspective, their modloading is a major part of lunar

[cobalt ivy]

Yes, but inexperienced users might not know what they're there for, and it'd make the ui cluttered. Besides, it's already bundled with sodium and Iris automatically

[fair orbit]

nevertheless, they should provide resources for mod developers that would like to develop for lunar client users

they already have open source projects but they are of minimal benefit to mod developers

[prime scroll]

and it would make some mods that are incompatible have more possibilities

for example distant horizon, known to be incompatible

will work again if the built in mods can be disabled

[prime scroll]

true

[cobalt ivy]

Yes, because then it's just the generic fabric loader

[burnt finch]

the reason why lunar has soo many mod incompatibilities is because lunar is a client packed with alot of mods already adding more mods could cause issues with other preinstalled lunar mods (iris sodium etc) or lunar mods like keystrokes cps fps etc

[cobalt ivy]

Everyone is talking about incompatibilities--but I'm suggesting getting lunar's loader and source code for the mods so that the incompatibilities could be avoided. I'm not suggesting forge or fabric support.

[burnt finch]

you can't avoid it

[cobalt ivy]

maybe you can't avoid it, but it can at least be minimized.

[burnt finch]

Define minimised like wdym by thay

[lavish apex]

you can avoid it

[burnt finch]

ye but that requires alot of work from the dev side
or lunar has to do it which if your gonna make all mods compatible with it

its no longer a client

cuz for lunar to fix it they gotta be removing features(but at some minor cases could save both stability with mod and lunr)

then people will start to complaain lunar is bad for fps

as 1 of the mods conflicting mods are iris and all(i ment for 3rd party mods it conflicts with iris)

[jovial path]

If they do a java lunar api/handler so we can know how does lunar menu work

Would be perfect

The problem with this is that people is making unfair advantages or virus with this

[fair orbit]

that's exactly the problem it would solve if they made a sdk or resources for developers

you sound like you have no experience in this field.

[fair orbit]

that's also exactly the point of this conversation. if they release developer resources or libraries for developers to base their lunar-specific mods on, incompatibilities will no longer be a thing.

fyi incompatibilities are caused by code conflicts between the installed mod and lunar modifications

[lavish apex]

^ which is why it can be avoided

you can write code that just conflicts less

[outer fog]

so summary:
open source code for all lunar mods

[burnt finch]

isn't lunar already open source?

like how was solar tweaksmade then?

[outer fog]

right

[analog scarab]

use dynamic fps

[outer fog]

wwhwat.

[distant sluice]

lunar is not open source

[outer fog]

i think they got into the exe and jar files

[fair orbit]

lunar client isn't opensource

you can still extract the app.asar of the launcher to get the partial source code of the launcher, but the client itself is not opensource

the .jar files are all heavily obfuscated and secured to prevent tampering or read access.

[fair orbit]

that's also completely different from what we asked. we asked for moonsworth to release a modloader so you can create mods that integrate with lunar directly, not forge or fabric.

[burnt finch]

oh

[outer fog]

then how did solar------ get the things

[proven compass]

sybau u aint mod

[outer fog]

true i ain't a mod