Essential mod compatibility

[restive timber]

Idk everyone I know uses essential mod but I can’t with lunar client as far as I know

[severe kindle]

Time and Effort to add a competitors client
Any Cosmetics brought through essential wouldn't benefit lunar, so there's no point if lunar doesn't get anything out if it.

[restive timber]

I guess the only way would be to like sort out an agreement or collaboration?

I’m not sure tho

[vague owl]

why do you need essential if lunar has similar and even more features?

[restive timber]

Bc people who use other clients use essentials aswell

[median gazelle]

you don't need essentials mod if lunar literally the thing that people only use essentials for.

[restive timber]

Yes but I cannot see anything they have equipped, cosmetics, emotes 🙄 read the farting messages bruh

[flint comet]

yeah cause lunar has its own cosmetics & emotes maybe?? they wouldn't benefit in ANY way from this.

[restive timber]

this had already been established! READ

[flint comet]

"Yes but I cannot see anything they have equipped, cosmetics, emotes" and that's the reason they aren't adding it! CRY

[restive timber]

bro is so mad over what lmaooo

blud is doing a horrible job at representing lunar 😭 🙏

[flint comet]

#1305288676519055482 message
#1305288676519055482 message

"read the farting messages bruh" "READ"

pretty sure you're the only mad one here

[flint comet]

I don't respresent lunar nor work for moonsworth

[restive timber]

last time i checked that was not for you 🤣 so you gonna tell me why your mad? or you js gon keep changing the subject?

[flint comet]

the thing is, I'm not mad. you assumed that yourself. dni w me ty

[restive timber]

idk what "dni" means and i assumed you were mad bc you were deliberately trying to ragebait XD and usually people do that when them themselves are mad

[flint comet]

dni means do not interact

[mystic anvil]

short answer not possible
long answer: have you ever tried to play badlion with lunar client as the same time? if course you would say it's not possible because you can't use 2 clients at the same time. well essential is a client. and lunar client is a client. so you can't use both at the same time. and lunar client has all the features that essential has, so i think you should use the vanilla and add essential if you want to play essential. or tell your friends to use lunar client. whatever you like to do.

and even the staff said that would never happen

[marble flint]

and lunar client has better cosmetics than essential

[tired lodge]

essential is a hack client, it is use for cheating on hypixel. do not use the client as it is hack

[agile flame]

No it's not

[tired lodge]

i see all the hackers use it, do NOT use it, you WILL get banned

[agile flame]

Essential isn't even a client, it's a mod.
It's safe to use and I have no idea what's your source of information for this

[tired lodge]

my source of information is the m*au discord

[median gazelle]

Essentials isnt a hack. It is literally only ever used for singleplayer servers.

[ornate bolt]

lots of people use essential in skyblock and lots tend to macro/cheat with it

its a good guess if someone in bedwars was using essential, they’re probably going to bhop on you

thats probably the logic

essentials its self isnt a cheat

[median gazelle]

What?, macros are not apart of essentials last time i checked, and macros are on your mouse/keyboard, just coz someone uses essentials doesnt mean they all cheat.

[ornate bolt]

thats a common misconception

[median gazelle]

What?

[ornate bolt]

Ah, indeed, the matter of the Minecraft Essentials client is a curious one, rather like a paradox wrapped in an enigma, with just a dash of ambiguity for good measure. It would be quite incorrect to label it as a cheat in the traditional sense, though it undeniably grants its users certain conveniences which some might interpret as advantageous, though naturally that depends on one’s perspective. You see, the client is more of an augmentation than a cheat, providing features that could, one supposes, enhance gameplay in a way that is perhaps not wholly disallowed, though not entirely encouraged either. Thus, while some may argue that Essentials veers into territory suggestive of cheating, it would be equally valid to contend that it merely optimises one's interaction with Minecraft, offering not an unfair advantage, but rather a refined approach, if you will, to an already intricate experience. To call it a cheat would be to overlook the nuances entirely, although it would not, in all fairness, be entirely untrue either.

[median gazelle]

Bro the mod literally only has cosmetics and singleplayer online.

[ornate bolt]

You’re missing the point, I don’t think you understand the dynamics of such a complex subject…

[median gazelle]

bro ive used all clients the worst ones are badlion and the fact lunar has xray for staff only. So if u think essentials is for "macro users" take a look at the client u use more closely."

[ornate bolt]

In what world would I use the official Lunar Client, I use a fork called Jordan Client actually…. It’s the best client i’ve ever used. You get all the perks of Lunar Client and the small extra’s like insane FPS and hit reg. I would personally recommend, download it at https://lunarclient.com/jordanclient.

[median gazelle]

Ill check it out.

[median gazelle]

All these clients have 1 big issue they all force you to use mods like ferrite, lithium, nexesium, optitrash whatever others when it would be better to just only have the lunar options then just add your own mods.

[ornate bolt]

Lunar Client likes to use Optifine

[median gazelle]

Yeah thats why i never used it in the past. But everyone uses lunar and it has easy singleplayer hosting so i literally only use it for that.

[tired lodge]

The "Essentials" client is a hack, it's not essential but claims to be, i would say it's misinformation

[ornate bolt]

I completely agree, it's kind of pretentious

[median gazelle]

So u 2 are saying essentials is bad because it was made a person who made a mod that prevents servers from seeing your mods folder.... i call that honorable everybody has a right for privacy.

[tired lodge]

That's to ensure compliance with the regulatory framework and policy of the server. That's why Lunar Client allows servers to disable specific mods...

[jaunty pumice]

This literally makes no sense

You have to understand that essential is a client too, and putting the two together is 1. Useless and 2. Would not benefit either essentials or lunar

[jaunty pumice]

If you think badlion is bad your misguided

[jaunty pumice]

Tell me you’re dumb without telling your dumb

[odd nymph]

why is everyone falling for the rage bait 💀

[restive timber]

Fr bruh I was js tryna make a suggestion 😭🙏

[mystic anvil]

i sent it one time and i will send it again for the last time
short answer not possible
long answer: have you ever tried to play badlion with lunar client as the same time? if course you would say it's not possible because you can't use 2 clients at the same time. well essential is a client. and lunar client is a client. so you can't use both at the same time. and lunar client has all the features that essential has, so i think you should use the vanilla and add essential if you want to play essential. or tell your friends to use lunar client. whatever you like to do.
and even the staff said that would never happen

and making it work with lunar would be a very hard thing due to errors in code

[vague owl]

if you want to use essential on lunar ask the essential devs because the lunar devs wont fix this

[flint comet]

essential breaks on lunar because of conflicts

lunar devs would have to fix the client codebase for the mod to work, not essential devs

[vague owl]

lunar has all the features of essential and even more so why should they care?

[flint comet]

i'm saying that even if essential devs want to fix this issue, they can't because they'll have to change how the mod works entirely

lunar devs don't care about essential compatibility since it's a competitor, and that's valid

[vague owl]

and you dont need essential on lunar

[flint comet]

^^

[vague owl]

this means there is no reason why the lunar devs should fix it and if someone wants to use essential on lunar this has to be fixed by the essential devs or someone has to make a mod that works like some type of translation layer

[flint comet]

yes, i know

[torpid juniper]

alright im going to debunk this portion;
Its not a Client, nor does it provide hacked client functions.

HOWEVER its a Mod that provides specified features, just because you see hacked client user add this mod, does not mean this mod is a hacked client addition.
Hacked Clients are also possible through various functions such as Lunar Client, and other various clients. It just requires an understanding of the code source, which Lunar Clients code source was leaked a couple years back.
Additionally Lunar Client doesn't prevent hacks like most people assume, they actually do not care if the user is or isn't hacking, that comes down to the responsibility of Hosted Server Owner to determine and counteract.

What your spreading @tired lodge is just simply false information, and I genuinely recommend researching your information before defaming work of developers.

The reality is hacked clients are most of the time produced privately to prevent public awareness on how to prevent, because Server Owners are continuously collaborating on prevention and various other types of developers are continuously collaborating on attempting to counter hacked clients.

The moment a Hacked client becomes public, its essentially destroying its potential. I don't personally support hacked clients this is just the reality about them, I am an active developer myself continuously studying how to combat hacked clients, which requires us to continuously experiment with them in private servers to continuously enhance our detection systems.

the thing about Security and Privacy is both cannot co-exist.
If you want things to be more secure, they essentially prevent your privacy.
If you want things to be more private, they essentially deteriorate your security.

This is why detection systems are continuously evolving to attempt to balance this line in a respectful manner, and many players prefer Privacy over Security, where as most often Owners, will prefer Security over privacy.

^
none of this was to support the comptability, just strictly informational to prevent further misinformation.

However the suggestion; I'll be realistic; Is extremely unlikely both of these would work towards a collaboration, because both of them do not benefit each other in any means to provide compatibility.
It wouldn't require only Lunar attempting, it would also require essentials to provide lunar support, and I can guarantee neither would want to due to how it would impact and require so much additional unnecessary development time to maintain compatibility for what would be deemed a competitor not a benefactor.

[tired lodge]

i know it is hack

[tired lodge]

you need to learn how to code brother

essentials client is hack

[agile flame]

I love how everyone says it isn't and you keep saying it is

[torpid juniper]

mate im 22 years experience with a tremendous resume working for several companies... 😂

[flint comet]

this is an amazing explanation

thanks for your time

[torpid juniper]

you can decompile the mod and check the code itself if you don't want to believe me.
If you 'claim' to know please show me which file and which line you think is injecting hacks. I'd love to see this source info.

[flint comet]

essentials client and essential mod are two different things

their names are also different

Essentials client
Essential mod

[flint comet]

"I'm always right" 🔥🔥

[torpid juniper]

well thats because a client is slightly different, The mod does try to do what most clients offer, but its ultimately a mod just injecting features that make it feel like a client. at the end of the day though it is a mod utilizing the Vanilla client.

[tired lodge]

it is hack

[torpid juniper]

again this isn't source code.
This is a proclaimed text that can be provided by anyone and their mom.

[flint comet]

Essential client is a completely different thing

[tired lodge]

sk1er is hack man, he make hack

[torpid juniper]

I can claim your a 80 y/o virgin sleeping with your mother, doesn't make it fact.

[agile flame]

LOL?

[flint comet]

modrinth(dot)com/mod/essentialclient

Stop confusing two completely different things

[tired lodge]

hacker client

pls ban promotion for hack

[flint comet]

Essential is a mod

[agile flame]

So real

[flint comet]

EssentialClient is a completely different thing

If you're not capable of understanding this, unfollow this post and move on

We proved you wrong yet you insist that Essential and that client is the same thing

[agile flame]

Sk1er is a trusted developer in the community since ages ago
Also I'm pretty sure you're the one moving this whole topic to hacked clients

[torpid juniper]

sadly his claim even in regards to EssentialClient is false too.
The source code is public and shows what it is capable of, and his claims are still false in this regard.

additionally is no longer developed ether.

[tired lodge]

a hack is hack, please stop the hacker talk

[torpid juniper]

its just maintained with the current features it provided.

[torpid juniper]

mate crawl back into your tin foil cave the aliens will get you later.

[flint comet]

I checked it out on GitHub, but cba to explain to this guy what source code means

Some people choose to listen only to themselves

[torpid juniper]

he clearly has no idea, probably some kid who just believes herobrine injects a virus to his computer and awaits the patch notes saying Herobrine has been removed.

[tired lodge]

sk1er is hack man, he make hacks for hypixel

[flint comet]

he isn't a "hack man"

[agile flame]

Okay man we get it, move on

[tired lodge]

sk1er make myau client, a hack client for hypxiel

[flint comet]

you need to learn the definition of hack brother

[tired lodge]

he is hack man loollololol

[mystic anvil]

do i have to send it again?

have you ever tried to play badlion with lunar client as the same time? if course you would say it's not possible because you can't use 2 clients at the same time. well essential is a client. and lunar client is a client. so you can't use both at the same time. and lunar client has all the features that essential has, so i think you should use the vanilla and add essential if you want to play essential. or tell your friends to use lunar client. whatever you like to do.
and even the staff said that would never happen

[flint comet]

Don't bother

this guy calls cheats hacks

Brainwashed..

[mystic anvil]

?

[flint comet]

abracadabra

[mystic anvil]

what is going on with anything

[flint comet]

@pulsar lance please come here thanks

delete this post or sum

prove it

[tired lodge]

luanr client best client lol

[torpid juniper]

where I understand your approach, sadly this isn't exactly the same thing, but does have similar merits.
The suggestion is recommending a Mod Support to a Mod.
however the reasoning this mod wouldn't be able to support efficently is development time to collaborate both the Mod Developer and Lunar Client developers to maintain both the Mod and Client functions, wouldn't be worth the effort nor the time with how much it wouldn't benefit either.

I get your attempt, but its sadly not quiet the same thing, but I give you credit for your approach.

[mystic anvil]

yes i also said what you said now but making it work with lunar client could takes weeks, months, or even years...

[tired lodge]

essential is hack client, lunar client make it in their client is bad as they will promote hack

[restive timber]

i meant essential mod not essential client btw (idk what essential client is)

[torpid juniper]

well it depends on how much resources would be allocated.
Realistically could it be supported? Yes.
Is it worth it? absolutely not.
and the reality is it wouldn't just require Lunar to do this, It would also require Essentials to, which has sagnificantly less resources to allocate and attempt to maintain, this would slow down development tremendously on updating due to ensuring which changes are occuring on eachothers platforms.

ultimately I agree, its just ultimately not worth doing. but I am referring to its not the same as Badlion Client and Lunar client, its a bit more simple then that, but I get what your trying to say, its just slightly different.

[mystic anvil]

that was exactly what i was trying to say

[torpid juniper]

well rip, unable to submit gif, but take your tinfoil hat else where, provide source code information or leave it.

and Lunar Client has several working hacks available on theirs for over a year now.
the issue is many Server Owners have found ways to actually detect most working ones already.

[flint comet]

Essential is made by the person who also made 4 lunar mods

[torpid juniper]

but that doesn't mean Lunar Client endorses these actions. as They don't.
What third party developers choose to attempt to inject on these features doesn't mean the core base version endorses these actions.

Thats like saying Vanilla minecraft is a hack, it simply isn't.

[mystic anvil]

exactly

why is he glazing lunar so much

[flint comet]

lunar fanboy

[torpid juniper]

hes probably one of those kids who got mommys credit card to help him buy tons of cosmetics.
and now feels obligated to warrior information he has no idea about.

[mystic anvil]

true

[flint comet]

shit

[torpid juniper]

I can tell the kid is definately sub 17, simply by his approach and lack of understanding of simple wording.

[flint comet]

woaa

I'm also 17 what do you mean by that

[reef junco]

wdym sub 17
"read the farting messages"

[torpid juniper]

I can say this though; I've already read through the Source code for both EssentialsClient and Essentials Mod neither one of these have these proclaimed hacks he mentions even remotely injected in either source code.

@flint comet It wasn't mean as any offense to anyone of that age group, its more towards an awareness hes under 17, not nessessarily 17 itself.
the sad reality is many kids these days believe they understand something by someone else saying something, immediately making this information true. (not saying all kids, but a vast majority)

[flint comet]

I understand

[torpid juniper]

I merely said sub 17, but I agree, its possible.
but its against Discord TOS so i avoided saying that one 😛

[reef junco]

fair enough

i deleted that part 👅

[torpid juniper]

❤️

[reef junco]

🔥

[reef junco]

1. essential is now a shitty company that engages in questionable business practices
2. lunar ported these mods, its like if somebody took a model of a train and edited it so it fit on different tracks

[reef junco]

Nov 4, 2021
that is literally 4 years ago PLUS a week

[torpid juniper]

I would sadly argue the business practices are likewise on Lunars behalf too though.
but that may be just my opinion.

[flint comet]

they took the source code and modified it

the license of the mods allows that if attribution is present

[reef junco]

which means your point is invalid???

they didnt make lunar mods, as you said "they took the source code and modified it"

[torpid juniper]

Well tbf, Its Source Code was public under the MIT License, its not illegal to do.

[flint comet]

and these mods still exist, by the same developer, in Lunar

y'all argue about everything nowadays ong

[reef junco]

what message are you replying to bro 😭

[reef junco]

fair enough thats my bad

[jaunty pumice]

You don’t know code stop the cap💀