bring back the old game perms for staff members

[iron badge]

the reason i am suggesting this today is because this decision has clearly affected the server in multiple ways. lunar games are such a unique feature that keep a lot of new members chatting in the chat, hoping for a new game. when staff were able to start a game of their choice every 20 minutes, it brought a lot of activity and enjoyment to lunar. people tagged their friends which got them back onto the discord just to play the game, and from there, conversations were ignited. in a sense, the games are a catalyst to an abundance of conversations. now the rule is that staff can play a random game every hour. in all honesty, the chat has been not as active as it usually is. as an active member, i notice these things. if the rules were going to change, they shouldn’t have given staff permission to start games from the beginning. leveling through games shouldn’t be an issue; it already takes over a year just to get level 30 if you are active. and if boosters are a big worry, just decrease the chances of getting them. don’t take away such a powerful feature that makes this server a desirable place to be in.

EDIT: having such a conversation about my suggestion has sparked major activity in the general chat right now. just proof that games bring activity 😁

2nd EDIT: ben has looked into the math, and it is mathematically proven that there has been a reduced number of messages in the chat ever since the new cooldown rules were implemented

[upper crypt]

wow joi such a great suggestion!

[smoky sequoia]

Type more 😡

[iron badge]

bro what i’m On my way!

[iron badge]

thx chasey

[upper crypt]

i would be nice but you know what. Check your pronouns.

[astral jolt]

most valid suggestion

[iron badge]

guys pls do not argue in my suggestion 😢 it’s gonna be more active than lunar general

[broken path]

this is such a good suggestion
don't know why they changed it in the first place

[nova acorn]

i miss it when they couldnt do games

hot take

[broken path]

was pretty boring times

[nova acorn]

was times where games were fun

besides games dont keep chat alive

they bring temporary activity that just dies again

[smoky sequoia]

Personally this is such a riveting suggestion in my opinion and should be so in all of your opinions too. Unbelievable amounts of gratitude radiate off me from this suggestion of pure heartfelt warmth and content to supply the never ending leylines upon the world right now and empower our lunar client discord experiences together. Since the fabrics of the universe have been created We ultimately decided that has a hive mind, dark matter should not exist in the lunar client discord and exponentially greater amounts of dark energy have been scavenged, stumbled upon channels and to thines divine intervention and discovered unbelievably superfluous amounts of negativity froth and bubble in the gates of reality, looming over us ready to strike our vulnerable homes at any point. Think of your wives, your husbands, your children. Games are are exodus from such a glooming, melancholy reality and the power should be restored to the hands of the universe that separate us and this dark matter akin to the “standards” that exist to separate yours truly and any electronic woman below the plane of existence of the most valued professional + rank existing upon the boundaries of the above pixel net. I shall stand my ground and exist unto thee, never exiting nor folding to bring across the points defined and destined to create order and bring uniformity to such a disorderly universe. The people depend on us, oh team that optically observes and takes in mentally unto thines brain’s workings mentally. Free melly. Free R Kelly. Christiano Ronaldo Suiiiii Epic Poggers Memes i’m my basement Among us SSUNDEE gameplay kwebelkop stunt montage x skibidi toilet in Ohio under the imposter 24 hours in 1 pence a day in London simulator AI chatgpt delaware girlfriend.
Good luck my fellows, remember, Free melly.

[smoky sequoia]

mb

Would you like a formal apology?

[upper crypt]

no

[nova acorn]

@smoky sequoia you should delete that

ive been muted for less

[smoky sequoia]

i spent 10 mins typing it

i don’t rly want to delete it

[nova acorn]

10 minute loss or 3 days ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[smoky sequoia]

🤷‍♂️

[potent finch]

Fr

[iron badge]

at least it’s activity ? like the chat is so dead recently

[versed pumice]

my dyslexic ass aint reading all that but full support as a VIP member 👍

[nova acorn]

game spams just passive xp at this point

no one talks after it they just get their xp and leave

[versed pumice]

the game is the game 🤓

[upper crypt]

still brings activity

[astral jolt]

I feel like even if they don’t bring the cool-down back down the staff should still be allowed to play whatever games they want.

[versed pumice]

we should also let certain vip memebers start games too

[nova acorn]

you really want to see flags constantly

[iron badge]

an hour is way too long though like most of the staff members aren’t even active in the chat

[versed pumice]

would be crazy

[iron badge]

that would be insane tbh

[upper crypt]

You really wanna see a dead chat?

[fossil vigil]

u know the suggestion is serious when cait is talking in it

[upper crypt]

cait ain’t worth anything

[versed pumice]

i agree

[astral jolt]

Facts I’m about to start spitting bars

[iron badge]

CHASE WTF

[nova acorn]

idk which cait it is though

[upper crypt]

i only speak facts

[nova acorn]

i havent known for last 3 months

[fossil vigil]

not staff Cait

[iron badge]

considering the fact that my suggestion is more active than lunar general, we should bring back the old permissions 😁

[broken path]

REAL

[nova acorn]

lunar chats declines not bc of games though

it was more active before the staff games

[upper crypt]

Have to disagree

Only when a announcement is posted it’s active and games

[versed pumice]

staff games boosted the chat in general

[iron badge]

oqau considering the vote rn is 11 to 1 , i think a majority of active members agree with me

[nova acorn]

nah

[nova acorn]

lunar bot agrees with me

[versed pumice]

have you seen the times anakin spams games...

[nova acorn]

yeah its just constant games though

not talking

[iron badge]

this is literally factual evidence. there are new members in the chat who are literally begging for games because they’re so fun and new. it’s a crazy feature unlike any other discord

[smoky sequoia]

Lalalalaalal

[nova acorn]

its not a truely active chats its a grinding chat

[versed pumice]

brings people to the chat

[smoky sequoia]

Free melly

Free staff members too

Let them start games !!!!

[nova acorn]

giveaways really

are what brang people

[brave remnant]

why is this chat so active

[versed pumice]

brought*

[smoky sequoia]

Yeah but giveaways require no like talking in chat

[nova acorn]

yeah brought

[iron badge]

and what comes with giveaways ? anthony game spam

it keeps people in the chat…. so they spam games

[nova acorn]

got to get levels

[smoky sequoia]

a lot of ppl give up tho if they join lunar disc and try to get 5 levels in 1 day then realise they’ve got 0.5

and they’ll never talk again

[versed pumice]

games in my opinion attract a lot of attention especially from the new people that join the server.. its a fun and uniqe concept that isnt seem much on other servers

[iron badge]

this is exactly my point! it’s so unique that it keeps server retention

[nova acorn]

more active then games though

[smoky sequoia]

Not rly

[versed pumice]

even if it is mainly used to grind xp by a lot of people, it still brings in user retention to the server, thus boosting popularity

[iron badge]

@nova acorn just bc u don’t want games doesn’t mean u can deny literal facts. u can physically see the difference when staff are able to start games more often

[nova acorn]

i literally cant

lunar peaked last november

[iron badge]

here is a new user who joined literally the other day who has been waiting for games: #💬︱general message . an hour and a half wait for a lunar game is insane

[iron badge]

okay it doesn’t matter about a peak. what matters is keeping the server alive past that peak. and games are a big factor imo

[smoky sequoia]

usually the people joining explicitly for free cosmetics are the ones who can’t afford them or buy them, aka younger children either under TOS age or 13/14,
these children r also the most likely to get muted if they’re new and try to start spamming to gain levels or r just immature and get muted
so sure like if u want activity of people spamming large copypasta or a large amt of npc interaction between 2 11 year olds ig that qualifies as a more active chat

[smoky sequoia]

for giveaways i mean (first line)

[versed pumice]

there are a lot of people that make sure to be there in chat especially when the staffs are active for games

and its pretty obvious that those games are what brings them there regardless of the xp gained

[nova acorn]

games arnt real activity

[smoky sequoia]

neither r giveaways

[nova acorn]

its a spam of an answer

[iron badge]

as i said in my post, it is a literal catalyst to new conversations, active chats, and more opportunities for friendships. new users ping other new users for games because they want to play them

[nova acorn]

got to talk for giveaways lots more then games

[astral jolt]

bro what do u mean real activity 😭 activity is activity regardless of the reason

[iron badge]

yes it is…

[nova acorn]

i hate games

[smoky sequoia]

the activity is what happens after the game

cuz there’s multiple people in chat

[astral jolt]

dsmn i never would’ve guessed that

[smoky sequoia]

read my earlier point

[nova acorn]

nothing happens after games wym

[iron badge]

u can hate games all u want but u cannot deny the impact it has on the server. sorry

[nova acorn]

the long one

[smoky sequoia]

idk i’ve played bedwars after multiple games cuz i’ve seen skmeone in chat

[nova acorn]

dont feel like it has much

[smoky sequoia]

and talked abt playing bedwars

[versed pumice]

the interaction especially after a game when someone either fucks up an answer really bad or gets it really quick is so entertaining too

[smoky sequoia]

and talked more cuz i’ve seen someone fulll stop

[iron badge]

LOL TRUE

[astral jolt]

me 😊

[smoky sequoia]

so if we removed games ur saying there wouldn’t be a large impact?

[versed pumice]

like joi and cait said.. acitivy is not considered just talking, its the way the people interact with the server

[iron badge]

if games were removed, leveling up in the server would just be ridiculously difficult to the point where people will give up. it will also just kill chat more often, and a lot of people will probably end up leaving because anyone can own a discord server and chat with their friends; however, it’s the games in lunar that keep them there.

[versed pumice]

^^^

[smoky sequoia]

levelling up is already difficult enough

[iron badge]

maybe i should add that point to my og post

[iron badge]

correct but games make it a bit easier

[versed pumice]

lvl 30 before staff games but yk 😇
not everyone has no life like me, games help give them a boost both in xp and in themselves that they're getting closer to a free cosmetic that that might not be abled to afford

[smoky sequoia]

so ppl talk and are being active by trying to level up, which is made easier by the existence of games, proving games has an impact on the server @nova acorn

[iron badge]

exactly !

[still crest]

new general chat

[nova acorn]

games in april, cooldown in may?

looks fine

this honestly surprised me but looks like games really have little impact

activity is probably based on lunar clients popularity/people having free time

no real reason to make staff have unlimited games when all it appears to do is increase leveling to lurkers

[iron badge]

who said anything about unlimited? i just want the old perms back that they had. 20 min cooldown and they can pick a game of their choice. regardless of your little chart, everyone clearly wants the old perms back. look at the thumbs up to thumbs down ratio

[astral jolt]

i am shocked you wasted time making that if i’m honest

[iron badge]

the new rules were implemented last week

[nova acorn]

ok cait you have like 100k messages we both waste time

[iron badge]

staff gained access to games a while back

[nova acorn]

i love my little chart

[iron badge]

great to hear but games still bring up activity so … u r the odd one out here

[nova acorn]

[astral jolt]

i just think u are trying to be quirky by disagreeing with every valid suggestion

[nova acorn]

literally not

games just feel like a disruption

miss the old games

[iron badge]

how???? a disruption from what? if there’s barely any conversations happening in the chat anyways how is that a disruption

u r basically advocating for lunar to take away the thing that makes their discord so special

[nova acorn]

yes please

[iron badge]

literally no one agrees w u on that sorry

[nova acorn]

its my only hot take

[old cargo]

does this assumption account for the growth of the server during that time?

[nova acorn]

no i didnt log people joining

i swear if you send a paragraph

ill actually revise my opinion to be left alone

i can spell

[old cargo]

I've just had a look at the numbers recently since the cooldown compared to the same time the week before. This is to minimise impact of server growth and the fact that the server's activity will vary naturally during different parts of the year.

From what I understand the cooldown came into effect on Tuesday 8th August:

Tuesday 8th August had 12232 msgs vs 14945 on Tuesday 1st August (-2713, 18% decrease)
Wednesday 9th August had 10585 msgs vs 15309 on Wednesday 2nd August (-4724, 31% decrease)
Thursday 10th August had 9742 msgs vs 12454 on Thursday 3rd August (-2712, 22% decrease)
Friday 11th August had 9581 msgs vs 10933 on Friday 4th August (-1352, 12% decrease)

Of course there'll be variation within each day, but without knowing too much about the chat or what happened on these days there seems to have been significantly less activity since the most recent change

[nova acorn]

WHY

[old cargo]

don't worry it's not attacking you, it just inspired me to look at some of the data myself

[nova acorn]

i am an inspiration 🤩

[old cargo]

🤩

[nova acorn]

now do it again but check for messages from the bot

bc im not ever messing with dates again i hate it

[old cargo]

to get the data i just searched for all messages in general chat on those specific dates

which should count bot messages i think

[nova acorn]

just compared two days

it was just -70 messages from the bot

honestly not that different

[floral sundial]

+999999

[astral jolt]

basically common W ben

[old cargo]

i'm confused what this means

[nova acorn]

70 less messages wym

[old cargo]

as in

there were only 70 bot msgs?

[nova acorn]

no there was like 600

compared to 670 or smth

[old cargo]

ah i see

so basically bot msgs will make up a small proportion of all msgs in the chat for each day, with small variance

[nova acorn]

no i mean bot messages

are how many games

plus with your weekly data people going back to school so automatically less messages

[old cargo]

this is a valid criticism - will be interesting to see how today's data turns out as that shouldn't be affected

[astral jolt]

what about the support msgs

[nova acorn]

homeworks

[old cargo]

bot messages have other stuff too right? e.g. "If you are running into an issue with Lunar Client..."

[astral jolt]

^

[nova acorn]

support shouldnt varry should it

[old cargo]

not as big of an impact

[nova acorn]

random and constant

[nova acorn]

yeah

i just dont see how games possibly do anyhting for popularity

[old cargo]

are they at regular time intervals or are they random

[nova acorn]

random probably

[astral jolt]

The chat generally peaks when games start

[nova acorn]

but its randomly consistently

[old cargo]

ill have a look at the support msgs

[nova acorn]

and dies right after

[old cargo]

looks like the support msgs are once every 10 minutes

so 144 daily

[astral jolt]

Not immediately though, and regardless, our point is that the games spark some activity

[nova acorn]

good sciencying

[old cargo]

let me track bot msgs within each day and see how that's changed

[nova acorn]

i just dont see how 3x more staff games would do anything

all it does is more flags and i hate flags

[astral jolt]

Yeah I think we can tell you’re not open to the idea that games cause more activity

[nova acorn]

youre not open to the idea they dont though

[nova acorn]

ah no

its not that important team

whats player mean

[astral jolt]

I mean we have explained it to you multiple times and you just express that you hate games

[nova acorn]

I DO

[old cargo]

all messages not sent by the bot

worth noting 8th and 9th are also school days

yet there's still a significant dip on 9th/10th/11th

[nova acorn]

yeah ok

i see what you mean

[old cargo]

i think looking at the data my personal thoughts are:

• there seems to be a dip in activity since the cooldown on games
• there cant be too much harm coming from having games if people enjoy them
• will be interesting to see how the data progresses over the weekend - does the pattern continue etc.

[nova acorn]

it is interesting actually

what program did you use to have them coloured

[old cargo]

on excel there's an option called conditional formatting

if you highlight the cells you want colour coded and click:
conditional formatting > colour scales

then it'll do that

very useful for visualising data

[nova acorn]

i want to check it agaisnt this time last year

just out of curiosity now

i think youre right about games having some corrolation

but i still hate games so

too bad honestly

ill remove dislike at least

[old cargo]

🤝

[old cargo]

the issue with this is it's largely meaningless comparing raw numbers without data on how many people were in the discord at each point

what would be interesting is whether the same pattern happened this time last year - e.g. did activity drop the week some schools started - if so, by what percentage?

[iron badge]

W BENJAMIN

[tame ermine]

Wow thats so totaly cool and awsome and crazy and amazing and cool and great

[nova acorn]

thats

what i said benjamin

[nova acorn]

i found a squid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSXqqi3ShOs

p spooky

[regal goblet]

stay in topic bruv

I noticed the chat have been less active lately and I was wondering why.

[iron badge]

yea,, it’s sad tbh. if u read up u can see the math behind it all

[signal goblet]

This will not be changed. There were too many games being started by staff, and the majority of those games were not very inclusive. This left quite a few people out.

The numbers that have been brought up do not account for other factors. School has started for many and Minecraft/Discord usage has been on a somewhat downwards trend, and so the numbers will naturally be lower.

[astral jolt]

to be fair its just a game

i do not think inclusivity is a massive problem over a lc game