Giant, elemental unit: GARGOS

[sonic hearth]

A elemental unit, yes ik we have Lunarclops but i dont think he can be in the parties.

Sooooo i created this unit:
GIANT, LIGHT, MAGIC
(And yes his GIANT and LIGHT)

Attack in melee (35🗡️)
Life (850❤️)
Cost(700g 250c)
Population (9)

1ST HABILITY: Root: there 2 roots who are go towards the enemys (45🗡️).

2ND HABILITY: Fly ( its like Thera hability but without shield) and throw 1 rock to an enemy.

Giant, elemental unit: GARGOS

You have to merge earth with air elemental

[torn iron]

What is it made from and what are the cooldowns for the abilities and the flight duration of the 2nd ability?

[torn iron]

That is only 550g 100m, way too cheap

Does this giant have AOE?

[sonic hearth]

What you propose?

[viral tendon]

Gargos is the big bad of the chaos empire

[torn iron]

First, I need to know what the ability cooldowns are, the flight duration for the second ability, and if it can deal AOE damage or not

[sonic hearth]

1st hability: 20sec
2nd hability: 45 sec

[torn iron]

Does it have AOE?

[sonic hearth]

AOE?

._.'

[torn iron]

Area Of Effect

Can it hit multiple units in one attack?

[sonic hearth]

Yes

[torn iron]

How many?

[sonic hearth]

Can hit max 5 units

[torn iron]

For the melee attack only or for all attacks?

[sonic hearth]

For all attacks

[torn iron]

...

HOLY SHT

[sonic hearth]

:)

[torn iron]

Now I understand why the abilities have such ungodly long cooldowns

Wait

For the first ability, it says 2 roots, does it have 2 max AOE because it's only 2 roots or does each root have 5 AOE?

What's the population of this unit?

[sonic hearth]

16

[torn iron]

This is unbalanced as hell

The abilities are too powerful
The cooldowns are too long
The cost is too low
The pop is too high

I don't think I can balance this

[sonic hearth]

It is too High ?

[torn iron]

16 pop for ONE unit would CRIPPLE your army

That's literally 16% of the max population possible in 1v1

[candid ingot]

I like the unit concept but Is to unbalanced

[sonic hearth]

What can i do for do it more balanced?

[candid ingot]

Reduce the population from 16 to 9 increase cost to 700 gold and 250 crystals and remove the AOE from the melee attack

Also reduce the damage of the first ability from 65 to 45

[torn iron]

That's not how elemental costs work

[sonic hearth]

👍

[candid ingot]

@torn iron True the elementals fusion needs mama only hm.... Maybe to create the fusion is necesary to have 10 earth elementals and 10 air elementals and the fusion crystal cost could be 450

[torn iron]

10 earth eles and 10 air eles is a total of 5500 gold

So that would end up as 5500g 450m

[candid ingot]

@torn iron Yes still too much

@torn iron How is the gold cost of the earth and air elementals?

[torn iron]

Earth eles - 150 gold
Air eles - 400 gold

[candid ingot]

@torn iron The fusion can be created with 4 earth and 4 air elementals in total the gold cost is 2500

[torn iron]

For a light magic unit, that gold cost seems too much, especially when the mana is so low

Also the total gold cost of 4 airs and 4 earths is 2200

[candid ingot]

@torn iron Balance the unit cost is difficult their stats and abilities are still to op for a light unit

[torn iron]

Yeah

Balancing this is hard

I don't think I can balance this

[candid ingot]

In terms of cost no I mean the only solution could be greatly increase the mana cost for the fusion like it can cost 650 crystals

[torn iron]

Is a giant but is a LIGHT unit that's also a MAGIC unit

It's like completely changing up the entire expectation of what a giant is

And balancing something that's so incredibly different from what we currently have is hard

[candid ingot]

Yes is basically a flying golem and the only golem like unit was the Chariot(the fusion of an earth and fire elementals) in SE and it wasn't to op

[torn iron]

Chariot? Do you mean charrog?

[candid ingot]

Yes

[torn iron]

This unit is so different and unique that we literally have little to nothing we could use as a reference to balance it

[candid ingot]

Yes is a really different concept it will take more analysing to found a way to balance it

[vapid verge]

thr name is Gargos?

[snow summit]

Gargos is what medusa is canonically called

[sonic hearth]

So its a good concept and good idea but too umbalanced..

[torn iron]

It's a very unique concept