mounted unit idea

[pearl talon]

The silver knights
Lore: Lords of the order who fight for the throne.(might add more lore soon)

Stats
Cost: 800gold and 250 mana

Hp: 800
Damage: 18(+5 l)
Attack speed animation: takes 2 seconds for 2 attacks. Has a cooldown of 1 second
Training time:35 seconds
Speed: same as riprider
Abilitys: lance charge: unit gains speed and once this unit hits something it does 20-100 (+20h) damage(depending on how long unit was charging for) and has an aoe of 30% cooldown of 50 seconds

Strong body: can't get poisoned and ranged attacks do less damage (only 50% damage goes through)

Can only make 2 of these and they can die

[winged eagle]

What context?

[vast viper]

Missiles?

200 damage and 30% splash

The normal attack is weird as hell

[pearl talon]

Missiles are really just (arrows, poision thing ect)

[vast viper]

You mean projectiles?

[pearl talon]

Yes

[vast viper]

And poison is a statue effect

Or you could've just said ranged attacks

[pearl talon]

Sorry my bad lemme change

[vast viper]

Instead of missiles or projectiles

[pearl talon]

Is the cooldown good for the charge attacks or do I need to change it

[vast viper]

Decrease the cooldown to 30-60 seconds and decrease the damage to 50

Or make the damage lesser than 50

[meager violet]

You could make it a general, because a good economy with the miner hustle can mass train

[whole sigil]

Order already has the Ripptor

[pearl talon]

No way they have a ripptor??????

[pearl talon]

This type of unit isn't a ripptor
It's a knight

[whole sigil]

Ripptor as in mounted unit

[pearl talon]

Yes

There's no harm in making more mounted units. I mean is one type of mounted unit alot?

[clever flint]

Unit overlap

If one unit does it better than the other unit, what’s the point of using the other unit

[pearl talon]

Cheaper

[vast viper]

Miners and eminers, speartons and juggs
Giants and egiants

[pearl talon]

And plus if you read correctly you can only make 2 of these

And they can die

[clever flint]

Ahem, they belong to different factions

[clever flint]

Wdym

[pearl talon]

Riptor is cheaper

And is better against light units

[vast viper]

The riprider is 750 gold while this unit is 800g 200m

[clever flint]

Yeah but that still doesn’t justify adding a unit that does the same thing

[pearl talon]

This unit doesn't do the same thing

[clever flint]

Oh so it’s like a rip rider but it’s a spearton?

Yeah still a no

[pearl talon]

It has a charge ability, takes less damage from ranged stuff. More expensive. And it's normal attack doesn't have aoe

[pearl talon]

No what tf u on about?

[clever flint]

So it’s a glorified spearton

[pearl talon]

Bro not everything is a spearton

[clever flint]

The stats make it seem like it’s a meatshield

Which the spearton does too

[pearl talon]

Bro it's a mounted unit

Of course it's tough

[clever flint]

But it’s role overlaps with the spearton

[pearl talon]

How?

It's mounted

Is spearton mounted?

[vast viper]

This can't possibly overlap with spears, spears are way cheaper, this is more of a mid-late game tank

[pearl talon]

Can you only make 2 speartons at a time

[clever flint]

That’s like saying

The firebat from StarCraft 2 is an anti light unit for early game

[pearl talon]

What are you on about

[vast viper]

I don't even know what that game is

[clever flint]

And the hellion is a mid game anti light unit

[pearl talon]

This is stickwar 3

Not star craft or whatever its called

[clever flint]

Stick war is literally inspired by StarCraft 2

[pearl talon]

AndM

And?

[clever flint]

CJ said it himself somewhere

[pearl talon]

And starcraft is inspired by warhammer 40k

[vast viper]

Wait you forgot the pop for this unit

[pearl talon]

So does that mean stick war 3 is related to 40k?

[clever flint]

It would follow the balancing rules of it as the two games have similarities

[vast viper]

And movement speed

[pearl talon]

Is this just horus heresy?

[clever flint]

I meant gameplay wise you fuckingg dumbass

[pearl talon]

Your the dumb ass here

Yes they may have similar stuff

[clever flint]

They do the same thing

[pearl talon]

But how on earth is star craft, which is not a side scrolling 2d rts game the same as stickwar

Bro your yapping

[clever flint]

The controls from SE are literally from StarCraft 2

The units are similar to ones in StarCraft

Like crawlers are similar to zerglings gameplay wise

Same goes with archidons

I could go on

[pearl talon]

Star craft 2 is a 3d rts game man

[clever flint]

In an RTS, the number one rule is to make sure units don’t overlap

If we have units that cause overlap, one unit will become better than the other and people will stop using that one unit

[pearl talon]

So your telling me sw3 was inspired by many diffrent games that share same controll?

[clever flint]

And that especially matters in a game like stick war 3 with deck slots

[clever flint]

No SE had the same control

As sc2

And other RTS games

SW3’s units are inspired from StarCraft 2

[pearl talon]

Yes, they are inspired, so does that mean everything must be inspired from a singular game?

[pearl talon]

Bro
Did you read the stats of this unit?

[clever flint]

If the units are inspired

[pearl talon]

Max of 2 per battlefield

[clever flint]

Then that means their balancing should follow the rules of RTS

[pearl talon]

So how on earth can this unit possibly over lap the rippor

[clever flint]

I said spearton

[pearl talon]

And that's what this unit is following

[clever flint]

It’s not

It’s just a better spearton

Literally good stats for the cost

[pearl talon]

Ok, how does it overlap a unit that's a meatshield? You can make as many spesrtons are you want. Plus the speartons don't have a charge ability, they aren't mounted, they aren't limited to 2. They don't have poision immunity. They don't move from side to side while smacking people with a sword. They aren't even general type units

That's like saying golden stearton overlaps the spearton

[clever flint]

The basic principle is the same

Tank damage

[pearl talon]

So you want this unit to be worse?

[clever flint]

Duh, because it’s literally just a better version of that unit

[clever flint]

No I want it to not overlap with. The spearton

[pearl talon]

So how is this overlapping?

[pearl talon]

The thing is, it isn't

[clever flint]

I’ve said it before and ill say it again

They’re meatshields that tank damage

[pearl talon]

I would understand if it overlaps the ripptor but yhe spearton?

[pearl talon]

Bro so is the giant

So is the ripptor

The 2 generals also overlap then?

[clever flint]

Rip rider is meant to distrupt back lines

[pearl talon]

And yet it doesn't do that

It just bounces from side to side

[clever flint]

Blame Cj for not balancing it correctly

[clever flint]

They’re both tanks that tank damage

[wet nymph]

Dps is only 4.333, that's really low

[clever flint]

They do, but adding another unit that overlaps is like adding fuel to fire

[pearl talon]

So like your just going to put the blame on someone else because units with diffrent purposes have similar purposes but not the same?

[pearl talon]

Bro the spearton in swl was good because it did alot of damage while also being tanky
In sw3 it became useless

[clever flint]

No like the concept is literally backline distruptor

[pearl talon]

I might increase it then

[clever flint]

Then don’t make it even more useless

[pearl talon]

And does it act as one?

[clever flint]

The Wack.balance is enough

[pearl talon]

How? It was useless from the beginning

[clever flint]

It does not because of the wack balance, not the design

[pearl talon]

It can improve if cj wants

[clever flint]

So we’re just killing off a unit?

[pearl talon]

It acts as a horde remover really

[clever flint]

That’s what sickles do

[pearl talon]

No, I'm saying that spearton is dodo. But that doesn't mean no other unit is allowed to be a tank like it until it becoem better

[clever flint]

Ripriders attack stuff like archidons and magikill

[clever flint]

Dude, if one unit does the same thing as the other, one will always be more useful than the other

I explain it in detail here #1163395199993643008 message

[pearl talon]

Sickles aren't as tanks tho

[pearl talon]

Ripriders act as a tanks horde remover

*tanku

*tanky

[clever flint]

No they act as a tank rn

[pearl talon]

And yet this unit doesn't

[clever flint]

But they were a backline distrupter

[wet nymph]

I think this unit idea is pretty good

[pearl talon]

No, not really

[clever flint]

It does lol

It literally does the speartons job but better

[pearl talon]

Bro the giant is also a tank

It also does the job better

[clever flint]

But the thing is, the giant is in a different faction

[pearl talon]

And?

[clever flint]

Each faction should have each unit that does the same job

[pearl talon]

Then what's the point of even choosing a faction?

[clever flint]

Like the miner and eminer

[pearl talon]

If they all do the same thing

[clever flint]

You see, there has to be something unique about each unit

[pearl talon]

Eminer is better in a way

[wet nymph]

Most units have something similar to them, like swordwrath and sicklewrath, and eclipsors and albowtross, riprider is one of the only ones without it

[clever flint]

Or their playstyle

[pearl talon]

So like what do you want me to do with this unit?

[clever flint]

Juggerknights could sorta fit there since it’s charge ability distrusts back lines

[pearl talon]

Make it into a glass tank?

[clever flint]

Make it less of a meatshield and more into something else

[pearl talon]

I'll increase damage then

[wet nymph]

I like the idea, but I think it should do more damage to heavy units and it should be more dps and less health

[pearl talon]

Alri

I'll see if these changes will do

[wet nymph]

There needs to be a heavy-heavy dps unit

Giants and ripriders are so slow

When it comes to dps

[pearl talon]

There

Better or is it still killing off the spearton?

[clever flint]

A bit better

[wet nymph]

I would say lower health a little and add more damage

12 dps is still really low

For the cost

[winged eagle]

*13 +7 H

[pearl talon]

Aoe?