Gun lovers, meet your maker!

[storm granite]

We all agree that guns are too futuristic for Stick War 3. Most of you agree that even Muskets are off-limits.

If guns of any kind were ever to be added into the game, this would be it: A Fire Lance from the 10th century (or 900s.) The first weapon to use gunpowder. Its first iteration was an attachment for Spears to stun foes with both the blast & the sound of a bang. It wasn't until the 2nd generation, the one shown in video, that they started to add pebbles as projectiles, functioning as a shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebnWOjpHis

As for how they can be incorporated into the game, perhaps there could be a new unit with the 2nd generation Fire Lance, or a separate Spear-like unit that sacrifices their shield in exchange for the Fire Lance attachment on their weapon.

[neat yacht]

Mmmmm

I want to see a stick holding one of these

[pine pagoda]

It’s a maybe for me

[viral linden]

Tell me you're an american without telling me you're an american

[storm granite]

I'm not. I just really like guns. 🙃

[viral linden]

yeah me too...

good idea tho

[storm granite]

I'm just sensible enough not to blatantly suggest modern guns in a medieval/greek setting.

[dreamy otter]

Nope. In my opinion, no matter what type of gun it is, it's too futuristic for sw.

[dusk onyx]

That was good IDEA!

[hoary breach]

This actually looks promising

[dire yoke]

Considering that the timeline of Stick Wars is around the Classical Greece(Swordwrath, Archidon, Spearton and Giants) to Late Classical Age/Arthurian Legend(Magikill), even Crude Guns is around 10-12th Century, while the Classical Age is in around 250 BC and Late Classical is in around 100 AD.

[warped turtle]

Maybe a bit op but would probably be given balanced if they add a unit with this stuff

Although it might effect the lore

[echo solar]

Very promising idea. Could be balanced by making it a high damage but low health and low speed unit that takes up a lot of space

[ember wigeon]

You can't look at flying albowtross and magis discovering voltaic energy and say a fire lance is too futuristic

Base off the video you shared.

This unit can be a short ranged unit with AOE dmg

[ember wigeon]

What does a primitive looking shotgun has to do with messing up the lore?

[ember wigeon]

You're thinking of SWL.
We're a few years ahead of that timeline with flying albowtross and magis discovering electric/voltaic power.

[dreamy otter]

Ight lemme end this whole man's career

1. Stick war is a fantasy game, therefore magic and wizards and even a flying machine will be in this game.

Guns are to futuristic for sw. No matter if it's a flintlock, musket, etc. And this game is medieval fantasy so guns are a pass.

[ember wigeon]

basically you think any type of gun no matter how primitive it is will be too realistic for stick war because its a fantasy game?

Bruh.

And your saying a fire lance is too futuristic because it's a "fantasy game" so you think the people of inamorta aren't smart enough to discover electronic energy and also discover flying?
Doesn't matter if there are ghouls and stupid snake haired ladies in the universe there will still be a way to discover stuff, it just takes time

Also you're only still talking rn because it's a "fantasy game"

[dreamy otter]

Yep.

The people of Immamorta are capable of inventing more, but guns are not it. Even if fire lances or whatever was added, that'd change the lore for the sw universe. Like all of a sudden a archidion gonna say " Yo bro I'm frickin tired of this bow we should really make some fuking muskets." Then muskets appear out of thin air and they start shooting at everything in their sight and shoving muskets up their own a**.
What are you gonna call em? Musketmen? Muskettons? They can't just appear out of nowhere, it'd take years of research before they even come up with the model of the gun, think about how long making the actual thing would take.

But think about it, it won't make since for sw lore.

[ember wigeon]

We're talking about adding a more primitive version of the muskets.

It's common sense that something like a musket would change the lore.
But a more primitive gun that has short range will fit perfectly.

And just because it's considered as a "gun" doesn't make it futuristic for a game that still uses crossbows, swords and spears.

The fire lance is literally a spear that shoots multiple rocks at once.
Much like a shotgun but more primitive.

And the way they could discover this weapon can be the same as us.

Beginning as a small pyrotechnic device attached to a weapon (like a spear) that is used to gain a small but effective advantage at a start of an attack.

Something like this

[true bridge]

aot thunder spears lol

[dire yoke]

Crossbows weren't purely Medieval but the ones Albowtross used looked like Arbalests and not the Greek Gastraphetes.
Well Guns could exist but I believe with the Technologies available Guns in Inamorta could be a mix of Voltaic tube which iirc when electricity meet fire it will explode, perhaps that could work for a simple Handcannon.

[dire yoke]

Bro doesn't know shit about Evolution of Gunpowder and thinks Muskets just suddenly pops out.

The Earliest European Gunpowder weapons are the Handcannon which is just short iron tube, followed by matchlock Arquebuses which requires burning matches and need high amount of training to use "safely", the Matchlock Muskets is just optimized and stronger arquebuses, in the early 17th century the Flintlocks is invented which is using flints to make a spark of flames to ignite the gunpowder.

There are other names for a Gun, mainly boomsticks or a much more appropriate for a Voltaic Handcannoneer or Arquebusier could be Thunder Gunners, since in some instances some people thought the sound of Handcannons were thunders.

heck even in Warhammer Fantasy the Dwarf Gunners were called Thunderers.

Early guns were inaccurate and short ranged with their main source of damage is just the shock and fear of facing such loud weaponry.
Only during the invention of Arquebuses guns became good enough for field uses but they will still need to work together with crossbows and archers due to their complicated reload.

[dreamy otter]

Ight lemme end this mans carrier

First of all, this is f*cking medieval. I know the fire lance is medieval or whatever, but besides from it being too futuristic, it'd really just take the place of archidons.
What'd be the cost of this unit? What's it's lore. That is what I'm concerned about if this futuristic weapon were to be added.
The real problem I have with this is how I'd perform and it's lore. The lore would have to go through a lengthy process of change to include this weaponry, and the meta of sw3 would suddenly take a toll. And I don't think sw is anywhere close to the period where they'd researched gunpowder.
And we already got a handful of ranged units with lore that makes since, this idea doesn't even have anything behind it. We don't even know if it's a unit or an upgrade which renders this idea useless. And as I've said and I'll say it again, it just interferes with lore.

[dire yoke]

Your quest on ending someone's career only makes you sounds like a snotty brat in the end.

Of course a new lore need to be made and regarding the meta there's many role a Handcannon could be in both pros and cons.
Even in a Medieval Game like Age of Empires 2 the Handcannoneer main advantage is their high damage but low accuracy and chance of overkilling units.
Right now Anti Heavy Ranged units is quite rare for Order Faction, probably due to the lack of Albowtross, but a Spearton's Peltast or Voltaic Handcannons could give more option.

Plus did I even say it needs Gunpowder? perhaps you're the one who need to have their career ended, my explanation is to have a electric tube that will be ignited to produce an explosion to propel a projectile.

[dreamy otter]

That's fine with me

[dreamy otter]

And my explanation is that no guns can fit into sw no matter what lore is changed. Simple.

And the only one being a snotty brat is you. Before you even attempt to come at me, I'm gonna need some stats and traits of this unit. You are yet to give me any type of enlightenment about this unit ( A.K.A abomination).
An idea without detail is like pizza with no cheese.

[dire yoke]

If you need stats then let's see:
Name: Voltaic Cannoneer
Type: Order, Light, Ranged
HP: 70
Damage: 20+10 vs Heavy, 2 Seconds Reload
Speed: Slow, slightly faster than magikill
Cost: 400 Gold, 20 Seconds Train time, 3 Population.
Range: Medium(Shorter than Archidons)
Abilities: Fast Projectile speed, but have inaccuracies and high damage falloff if the projectile hit far from the Cannoneer's Range.
Upgrades:
-Heavy ammo, land heavy units hit by Cannoneer have their speed reduced by 20% for 2/3/5 seconds. land Light units get knocked down when the first upgrade is researched.
This is what think of for now, a Anti Heavy and Large ranged unit who can delay heavier units like the Ripriders and Giants from closing in. However they're weak against missiles who can fire accurately from range or any units that managed to get close to them. and perhaps a damage penalty against flying units.

[echo solar]

Guys the fact that the albowtross have gliders says that we’re at least in 1853 since that’s when the first glider was invented

[ember wigeon]

Wow

Already at 1853?

How is zarek still alive

[echo solar]

XD

Great question

[spiral quail]

Dude wtf you use light mode?

[echo solar]

I do too

[spiral quail]

tf is wrong with you and why

[echo solar]

Nothing, what’s wrong with you and your eyes?

You’re the one who can’t handle the light

[spiral quail]

[ember wigeon]

Idk I just downloaded discord and sticked with light mode

[spiral quail]

you can turn it off

[ember wigeon]

This makes me feel like a new person.
Worst part is I can't complain cuz it will be considered as "racist" for choosing light mode over dark mode

[spiral quail]

complain as much as you want, bc it was your decision to turn on dark mode

[carmine roost]

How did this post go from firelances to racism, also it isnt racist to choose people are just looking out for you caught lightmode is very damaging to your eyeballs

I was going to say, since bombers from SW2 had dynamite (assuming this is a continuation of SW2, and ignoring new bomber design) sulfur should exist allowing firelances / firework explosives to exist in the SW continuity

But the main question about this idea is balancing.

[storm granite]

My guy, you even seen the video? Fire lances are short-ranged as hell. They're literally SO primitive, they're incapable of replacing bow & arrows. Additionally it took a few more CENTURIES in history for humanity to advance to cannons, let alone muskets.

[viral linden]

Jesus christ wth, I had been gone from this post for 2 weeks and a whole season happened in this post

[carmine roost]

Turned into discord light and dark mode racism lmao

[viral linden]

If you were to link light mode and dark mode to racism, you're kinda racist

[covert ibex]

It gonna be Renaissance game xd

[dire yoke]

Ah yes Renaissance age with Greek Hoplites

[dire yoke]

He doesn't care about seeing anything the only thing he care is "Ight lemme end this whole man's career" on a stickman war game forum

and the fact he goes over to Muskets shows and thinks it's a 17th Century Flinlock Muskets is the same as Fire Lances.

Bows historically become obsolete in 16h Century, in the age where the primary missile weapons are Matchlock Arquebuses and Crossbows.

Matchlock Arquebuses are highly complicated to use due to needing a burning rope or matches to trigger the black powder, rain and wind could burn out those matches.
It's not a Semi Auto rifle or breech loading rifle, it's a freaking complicated ranged weaponry.

[spiral quail]

Well said.

[warped turtle]

Fire Lances already exists in SW3 or atleast a slightly altered verse

Literally just a burning spear

And another thing

Gunpowder is a mix of sulfur saltpeter and a few other stuff

Meaning they'd have to actually make the gunpowder

For this to work

So meaning either some random dude just straight up mixes random stuff to make gunpowder this is not gonna end well

[spiral quail]

Wtf did you even watch the video

[spiral quail]

Did you even read their suggestions

[warped turtle]

No

[warped turtle]

Yes

And what vid

[spiral quail]

Fire lances are supposed to be a gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That shoots stones in a short distance!!,!

And they are weak and slow!!

[warped turtle]

Another thing they still use gunpowder don't they

[spiral quail]

And also Ahina auggested to not use gunpowder, but some kind of voltaic contraption

[warped turtle]

Ok

[storm granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebnWOjpHis

@warped turtle

Since you said you missed the video.

[ember wigeon]

Short ranged, weak and slow?
Sounds like a toxic dead

[rich herald]

couldnt there just be a unit who learned how to do explosion magic (like legacy magikill) and put a rock in a log or something and blow up the back of the rock, launching it? Personally i think this would fit in sw3

[spiral quail]

read Ashina's suggestion

[warped turtle]

Almost sounds like enslaved giant combined with magikill

[brave estuary]

revive this me likey likey

[outer widget]

It could be an enchantment so that speartons get a short range attack once and they have to be out of battle for 20s to reload

[loud thistle]

it can only deal significant damage to enemy in close range

[spare aurora]

STOP REVIVING DEAD POSTS OMFG

[loud thistle]

ok

[loud thistle]

but why

[untold beacon]

Hmmmmmm

Yes

[spare aurora]

Because it’s meant to stay dead

[rugged ibex]

boom stick

[brave estuary]

It is october

[neon helm]

damn icaron moment

[wintry shoal]

One very important detail we must notice is the timeline

Zarek would be dead before these things were invented

so it would make the timeline illogical if we added fire lances

but great idea overall tbh

the timeline is just out of place

[nova abyss]

This is a fictional world
The timeline of course will not be the same.

[novel yarrow]

Um guys, I think stick war took place in the 700s

🤓

[spiral hound]

Technically in earth’s timeline this isn’t even medieval

This should be 4 Billion B.C.E If Earth’s timeline was the same as Inamorta’s

Having empires before cells even existed-

[celest garden]

GUYS I HAVE A TOTALLLY REAL AND NOT JOKE SUGGESTION
HOW ABOUT A FCKIN RAILGUN IN SW3 GUYS

[celest garden]

A toxic dead? you mean the unit that can somehow destroy an enslaved giant with 10 of himself

[stuck harness]

nah hoverboardwrath when

[warm gull]

3K gold and 1K mana total cost + 50 total pop + being a tanky anti-heavy (something which egiants aren't exactly good at)

Vs

1500 gold, 10 pop heavy units that's mainly used for anti-light

Does this seem like a fair matchup to you?

That is over 3 times the total cost and five times the pop advantage that the tdeads have, not to mention that tdeads are also a counter to tanks, especially anti-light, which is what egiants are

[wintry shoal]

Hang on....

[stuck harness]

cells are proven to already exist, the elementals are locked in one

(boring dad joke)

[spiral hound]

We already have life that is too advanced

We don’t need advanced technology

[mint chasm]

Gun hater huh?

[spiral hound]

Damn @wintry shoal how much are you writing?

[spiral hound]

We’re in 4B B.C.E dude

And anyways who wants magic guns?

[mint chasm]

Tell me when concrete exists

[spiral hound]

Well V did create Inamorta a few million years ago

Humans aswell

[mint chasm]

I asked concrete

[spiral hound]

I don’t really know but concrete should be in the early stages of the earth is think?

Correct me if i’m wrong

[stuck harness]

ninjutsu

[wintry shoal]

Earth and Inamorta are 2 different things, right? You can tell because of the geography of Inamorta and the Geography of the earth, and the people? We could say that the Stickmen are the successors of us Humans because they are more advanced technologically, and heck, knowledge in general because they got magic and all that, so it would make sense for Fire Lances to exist because Icaron literally invented a flying device that us humans weren't able to do in a million years. So logically, Fire Lances should exist because Stickmen are superior in every way.

[mint chasm]

Egyptian pyramid:

[wintry shoal]

I did me research

and uhh yeah that's just a theory

[spiral hound]

But still that doesn’t change the fact that this should be 4B BCE

[wintry shoal]

a game theory!!!!

[mint chasm]

Correct bro

[spiral hound]

I mean some stickmen got helped by an element

So makes sense

[mint chasm]

[wintry shoal]

Yeah if we put it logically, stickmen mentally advance faster than humans because they have stuff that us humans don't.

[spiral hound]

Humans were monkes after all

[wintry shoal]

so if they mentally advance faster, they would invent fire lances way earlier than we did.

[spiral hound]

Okay only one thing

[wintry shoal]

this generation is falling off after all

ngl

[spiral hound]

Why would you invent a gun if you have toxic/fire/freezing/vampiric arrows

[wintry shoal]

so we can get toxic/fire/freezing/vampiric bullets!

far more superior than arrows

[mint chasm]

Ye

Archer will aim

Meanwhile Gun shooters will snipe

[wintry shoal]

[mint chasm]

Darkain's theory isn't proved truth yet.

[spiral hound]

Who is darkain?

[mint chasm]

Darkain is the one who gave a theory saying Humans came from monkey.

Scienctist u can say.

[wintry shoal]

I thought it was Charles Darwin

[spiral hound]

Me too

[mint chasm]

I read in books that it says Darkain

Hold up lemme check

[wintry shoal]

tcgybcergf877gy3h8crv76yb

[mint chasm]

Google is already correct. I am checking my book

[spiral hound]

And anyways we do not come directly from monkeys

More like hominids

Like australopithecus

It’s still a monkey

But a slightly smarter one

[wintry shoal]

after all, monkeys possess close intellect similar to humans, and not just mentally, but physically too.

[mint chasm]

I don't believe human comes from monkey. (Not trying to say that this theory is doesn't belongs to Darwin)

[spiral hound]

Monkey is the modern definition of hominids dumber than humans

Humans don’t come from chimpanzees as an example

They come from hominids

[mint chasm]

As a Muslim, I thought Humans made of mud

[spiral hound]

Oooh

Sorry

[nova abyss]

Archis invented bow , and in less than 50 years Icaron invented crossbow. It is rational that their tech progression is much faster than us.

[mint chasm]

Yes

[wintry shoal]

Honestly, I think God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, and when they ate the apple, they were banished to Sri Lanka on planet earth, that's how it started. (This is just my belief)

[wintry shoal]

Exactly my point

[mint chasm]

Not like that

They ate a apple of a banished tree

And God Sent them to earth

[wintry shoal]

my mistake

[spiral hound]

My theory is that hominids are prototypes of humans that were yeeted into the earth to test things (by god)

[mint chasm]

Okay I think this debate is slowly turning into religious...

[nova abyss]

Isn't the garden on earth?

[wintry shoal]

I don't think so

[wintry shoal]

"Debate"? We are discussing our theories.

[mint chasm]

Please get back to topic before any mod locks this post

[wintry shoal]

in stick war

[spiral hound]

True

We luv guns

[mint chasm]

Sorry, I actually meant theories but this stupid auto correct turned into debating

[wintry shoal]

back on track: Fire Lances would make sense to exist if the tech progression of stickmen compared to humans were faster, Simple.

[mint chasm]

Not my fault.

Blame my auto-correct

[spiral hound]

skinny men >>> monkes

[mint chasm]

I have a question

[nova abyss]

Maybe we can have sw4 setting in morden world !

[mint chasm]

Did portals existed back in this inamorta?

[spiral hound]

In the initial cutscene of sw3 elementals open a portal with a tree

[wintry shoal]

I think so if you remember the intro, there was a passage in a tree's mouth that is bigger in the inside than on the outside, it is most likely a portal.

[spiral hound]

So i think only elementals can make portals in a way

[wintry shoal]

exactly

[mint chasm]

No I mean, any Portals exist that leads to other dimensions.

Let's just say elementals accidentally created nether and found everything as same as Minecraft except pigmans and other things were stick man?

Or more clearly, Shadow Rifts from Shadow fight: roguelike?

[wintry shoal]

Game Mods:

like you can have a stick war mod in minecraft frfr

or a stick war related game on roblox

[mint chasm]

Oh

[wintry shoal]

many different methods that could act as portals.