builds-discussion

[weary yacht]

results in you losing a chunk of effectiveness if you get an enemy in yo face

[brisk gyro]

Well then

[weary yacht]

otherwise I did have the plan of keeping the dual toxos as my melters and getting the jupiter, but alas I ain't high enough with the hex for that yet

[brisk gyro]

If u want to keep the toxos try using bramma for hord clear, works pretty well. What warfrme so u use in the setup?

[weary yacht]

lazy tank chroma

gloom with heat ward

[brisk gyro]

Ah well u do get alot of dmg with chroma.... ye bramma would work great then. I did got weaker in comparison for the aoe meta but if u buff it just abit u can use it easily in the current content. Just don't try eta with it

[woven edge]

good wukong and iron pole build?

[old marsh]

on which ability did u subsume null star?

[brisk gyro]

1

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/gracias-thanks-thank-you-cry-sad-gif-16869590

[brisk gyro]

Did u expected me to say 2?

[old marsh]

i usually expect no response given the size of the server and not everyone available all the time

[brisk gyro]

When im writing it's usualy from my phone and since u replied with a question I can't ignore it 🤷‍♂️

But agreed

It's a bigger server where u can expect no answer

But from the few days I've been here the ppl that are typing alot are how it feels the same

[distant jackal]

How would one build trinity if one wanted to make use of champions blessing abating link and vampire leech and roar over her first ability

[potent bramble]

@solar reef yo, back to our talk abt ash build, i did as u said, i replaced the augument from his 1 to 2nd one, and on top of that i occasionally infused eclipse into his 1

the config im using

[brisk gyro]

I would do exactly the same build i posted just replace the null star augment with vampire leech and use roar + the free arcane slot would be for sth like most augmented

[distant jackal]

.

Alr tyty

[solar reef]

eclipse is only worth using on the off chance your weapon has multi-co

you would benefit much more from Roar, Nourish, or WA

[potent bramble]

i use acuity for headshots and 3b dmg seem cool tho

[potent bramble]

yeah im gonna get wa as soon as i farm second kully

[solar reef]

Eclipse will give you less damage than Roar will on headshots unless your weapon is abusing multi co

this also implies you’ve done a lot of priming

[potent bramble]

nop

actually its pure aeolak

[solar reef]

then eclipse is just a direct downgrade

[potent bramble]

i mean ofc eclipse was active

[solar reef]

you’re misunderstanding me

[potent bramble]

could be

[solar reef]

Eclipse only does silly shenanigans with Multi CO interactions. Aeolak IS a multi-co weapon but you said there was no priming

in which case, you would do more damage with Roar

I personally use nourish on him for weapons platforming

[potent bramble]

i cant bring myself to farm grendel

[quiet laurel]

what does it do with multi CO

never heard of that before

[solar reef]

Eclipse is Multiplicative with Multi CO

[quiet laurel]

eclipse is always multiplicative...

[solar reef]

i mean it double dips, if thats the right word

I don’t really know how to explain it

[quiet laurel]

double dipping would mean it applies twice

i. e. [eclipse]²

[solar reef]

I may just be wrong

it’s always just been explained to me that Eclipse scales higher with CO and Roar with faction banes

I understand why Roar works better for faction bonuses of course

[quiet laurel]

when it comes to the math you'd deal more raw dmg if you used eclipse with banes instead of roar with banes cause roar stacks additively with banes while eclipse multiplicatively

[old marsh]

Niche scenario with eclipse. Majority of time Roar is better

[quiet laurel]

when you deal DoTs its different tho cause of the multi dipping

[solar reef]

thats what I was saying

earlier

[quiet laurel]

the thing is eclipse would be used more if xatas didnt exist

[solar reef]

Xatafluence 🤑

[quiet laurel]

xatas has much more things that affect its dmg so its better in 99% of cases

[solar reef]

we LOVE blast

[quiet laurel]

only time you'd use subsumed eclipse for its dmg purposes is also multi dipping

so on zaw and glaives (raw dmg builds)

for DoT/Influence roar is better again

so eclipse kinda deadge

[old marsh]

Only good thing about eclipse is energy economy and Damage reduction u can get

[quiet laurel]

energy econ?

[undone dust]

im gonna blast

[quiet laurel]

with eclipse?

[old marsh]

Cheaper than roar

[quiet laurel]

I mean thats like such a little difference tbh

one cast a minute thats a bit more expensive isnt even noticable

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[quiet laurel]

even for bad energy econ builds

[steep oasis]

is rejuvenation useful on nidus?

[undone dust]

naur

[compact hill]

can someone share me a good Wisp prime mod

[steep oasis]

ty

[mighty flare]

no, what are you using rapiers for?

[supple kestrel]

Stabbing things I imagine

[undone dust]

marked for death shenanigans probably

[brisk gyro]

do you want a budget one or a more high investment one?

[compact hill]

can u show both. i can do the budget one for starters and then work my way up for the more investment one

[brisk gyro]

kk give me a second

the high investement i am currently using is this one

subsume is from nokko (gives 100% str when u have 500% already)
i use power drain on paizon + madurai

the end result when everything is fully stacked is an 155% fire rate buff what corresponds to 782,75% str

you can push this one further when using 3 umbra mods and energy conversion to ~820%

or go even further with dipping umbra mods for other str mods + archon strength but there u will have to use sth like hema to get the buff

and all that for ~900% str is imo to much work

(everything is without nidus specter)

[compact hill]

these are the only mods i have for this build and fused reservoir

and i dont have any of the arcanes

[brisk gyro]

more budget i would go in direction of this, if u dont have primed ones u can use the basic ones

energy conversion + augur secrets are completely optional

for intensify take the one that gives more strength

arcanes are nice boosts but nor required

growing power is optimal but optional rn u can use whatever fits

since u dont have many str mods i would try using adaptation + vitality for survivability if u dont have a good equilibrium + companion with synth deconstruct

[compact hill]

btw whats a good primary to use on mr11

[near vortex]

Crepuscular goes pretty crazy

[mighty flare]

take off umbral mods except intensify
slot equilibrium, stretch, corrosive projection, use vazarin polarity for qol like parkour velocity or rolling guard
arcanes can be crepuscular, molt augmented, etc

[near vortex]

The 3x crit multi while invis works on surge sparks and the 30% strength is nice

[brisk gyro]

overall i would try using about 145% range for qol, duration for about 100% i have 128 through continuty and then as much str as u want (depends how much slots u want to sacrifice for the better buff, usualy more than like 300-350 is overkill but some like big numbers to go up)

[near vortex]

I do as much strength as possible with roar over 4

[brisk gyro]

true for final critt if u go glaves its nice or with her 2 invis

[undone dust]

this on a cataclysmic gate setup with arachne as well to buff both sparks and the suns

[near vortex]

Team wide big roar boosts tend to go crazy

[compact hill]

im building a second rhino rn to subsume it to helmith for replacing wisp prime ability 2 with roar

[near vortex]

The suns are boosted by universal weapon damage?

[undone dust]

yeah, the suns are, beams arent

[near vortex]

Take off the 4

2 is very valuable survival

[brisk gyro]

Dont subsume her 2

[near vortex]

Unless you want to do a 4 with augment build subsuming off 2 but survival is harder that way

[brisk gyro]

her 2 casts breach surge while active and if u double tap it its a free 3 sec of invunrability

its a free rolling guard

[brisk gyro]

even with the augment i would rather subsume her 3

for survivability

[undone dust]

its also a very nice shield gate ability

[brisk gyro]

indeed

[near vortex]

Breach Surge being a blind is also nice for survival too

[brisk gyro]

yes but it doesnt compare for an invis or permanent invunrability as long as u have energy

[undone dust]

her suns with aug genuinely dont need roar or a different subsume most of the time anyway

[near vortex]

Funny how excal's helminth is just completely invalidated by Wisps

[brisk gyro]

ikr so nice stacking hot shot with them

[near vortex]

I need to work on the breach surge Limbo config more
Need more strength for rift torrent, I reckon

[brisk gyro]

[undone dust]

this and just the fact it can wipe rooms in general

pairing it with a contagious bond hound is actually hilarious

[brisk gyro]

well the hound doesnt need it he can whipe everything on his own

its just extra

[near vortex]

Mecha set Kubrow stonks

[undone dust]

extra is funny

[near vortex]

Paris Incarnon with the Breach Surge augment giving Kubrow more crit

[brisk gyro]

mmmh paris..... ew bows

that doesnt go boom

[novel bear]

If you’re doing a caster build just use huras

[brisk gyro]

stil remembering the time where i was oneshotting myself with lenz xD

[novel bear]

Her 3 is too good for damage to replace if you’re using the 4 augment

[brisk gyro]

yea right completely fair

k then replacing 2 is valid

[near vortex]

Huras Mecha set my goat

[brisk gyro]

does anybody from u have a fun build for banshee? i want to try some stuff out

why do i have the urge to try out smite rhino

[mighty flare]

not good

[brisk gyro]

hmm

why tho, shouldnt it be a nice nuke with the better roar?

[novel bear]

You need a lot of strength without rad procs

Better roar doesn’t decrease the strength requirement that much

[mighty flare]

smite aoe needs full strip & viral / roar / ability damage, rhino only gives strong roar

[grave cloak]

banshee unfortunately falls under the class of "she doesn't really have anything that you can do to make her fun"

[brisk gyro]

hmmm fair

[novel bear]

Reave rhino is better

[grave cloak]

alongside chroma/limbo/loki/atlas tbh

[mighty flare]

if you just want a strong single target nuke, itll work but it works on everyone

[brisk gyro]

yeaa sadly i have figured only 1 nuke build on her

[near vortex]

That's far from true

[mighty flare]

can do caster with 1 & pyrotechnics or condem + 1

[grave cloak]

subjective ig

[near vortex]

Limbo has all kinds of stuff you can do

[grave cloak]

chroma and atlas falls under the "extreme 1 trick ponies" class

loki falls under the "needs all his augment to even make him fun(and that's still subjective)"

[brisk gyro]

does pyrotechnics work as weard as thermal sunder and proc her weakpoints from sonar?

[compact hill]

i was looking at this afk build and was thinking of doing this but then i saw the mods prices and backed down 💀

[near vortex]

Don't use builds from that builder

[brisk gyro]

the intensify is nice but procing it urself is pain

[near vortex]

That builder in particular is no bueno

[mighty flare]

banshee's sonic boom ragdolls enemies
pyrotechnics targets every limb on ragdolled enemies, so 5 extra instances
sonar applies to pyrotechnics

[grave cloak]

replacing wisp's 2 is er

yeah

truly a decision

[novel bear]

Replacing the 2 instead of 4 on a non caster build is awful

[brisk gyro]

oh so it does work in weakpoints.... will try out

[near vortex]

You can do it on a caster build with the 4 augment

[compact hill]

ah ic

[grave cloak]

okay but that doesn't smell like a caster build...

[novel bear]

That build hasn’t been updated since before the augment came out though

[brisk gyro]

btw try out null star with her, since theyre auto aim and can prock sonar points i love playing her caster and just running around nuking everything with her while getting dr from null star

• with augment its free hot shot

[near vortex]

Hence why we don't trust builds from that builder lol

[grave cloak]

smells so bad even I can smell from behind a screen

[near vortex]

I can think of a couple funny Limbo builds
Breach surge plus glaives means you triple dip the Rift Torrent boost which makes for some big damage

Well of Life plus Zymos lets you sit in the Rift and pump out Zymos bees to hit everything cross rift

Uhhh
Null Stars with the augment kind of works with Rift Torrent

You can do high range high strength for most missions and go low range high duration for defense missions

In Arbitration Defense you can just Banish the defense target into the Rift

[grave cloak]

tbh at this point I'm not even sure how limbo can get reworked without his entire identity being changed tbh

they removed his ability to troll teammates ig?

[near vortex]

I can name two changes:
VFX updates
Allies in affinity range gain Rift Walk

God, Limbo NEEDS VFX updates

[novel bear]

Rift is just a slight sepia filter right now

Very bad

[near vortex]

His VFX are as old as he is and it shows

And on a frame where visual clarity is paramount, it doesn't pass in a world where Zarr Mirage makes more VFX then there are enemies on the tile

[near vortex]

The Banish timer is so hard to see too

It's just on the buff bar where you already have a lot of buffs to look at

[novel bear]

The buff bar is bad design in general

Galvanized mods shouldn’t be on it, for one

[near vortex]

Limbo is so close to being great in squads
VFX changes and giving allies Rift Walk should be more than enough

[umbral spear]

Can I get some advice on making this set up better, even if I have to swap out some weapons?

[near vortex]

Not running vitality and steel fiber, for one

Get your hands on his 2 augment

[distant jackal]

Get volatile recompense augment

[novel bear]

Mod for viral on epitaph, and use fulmination if you have it

[umbral spear]

Ok thx

[novel bear]

Take off buzzkill on guandao and replace it with an elemental mod

Replace gladiator vice with berserker fury

[umbral spear]

Which element?

[novel bear]

Ideally, electric with melee influence

But without influence, it doesn’t matter too much

[quiet laurel]

without influence I'd just go for the forced bleeds from the stance and not go any element at all

[umbral spear]

Valid

[wintry olive]

guys i have riven for laser rifle what stat should i get and does laser rifle need crit chance or no

[hot snow]

is it better to use roar or nourish over kullervo's 4?

for a dual weapons platform build between guns and melee

[mighty flare]

for dmg, roar
for utility, nourish

[hot snow]

got it

[mighty flare]

the primed version has enough crit to not need crit riven
you can do double element roll to open up slots

[quiet laurel]

roar on kullervo kinda hit or miss cause influence sometimes doesnt proc cause you one shot

[wintry olive]

im still used the base version one

my riven got damage,toxin,status chance and negative puncture

[velvet pulsar]

Forced electric proc still take advantage even for one-shot right?

[quiet laurel]

dunno about that, my knowledge is that if you one shot influence doesnt spread

[velvet pulsar]

I've seen certain when buffs which don't work on one-shot but works when forced proc

Status application is a later priority to damage, normally.

But in case of forced procs, status application is first priority than damage

[quiet laurel]

without trying to be rude I barely understood any of that

[velvet pulsar]

Mecha Set doesn't proc on eximus marked enemies if u one-shot them

However, if the proc is forced, it has worked IIRC

So what I'm trying to say is that Xoris or Falcor might still work even when u one-shot

[quiet laurel]

ok now I understand

[velvet pulsar]

Or any other forced electric melee

[quiet laurel]

but idk if that works, should be easy to test

[velvet pulsar]

Too bad I haven't played half of this week

[lunar blade]

ASH
Does Teleport and Blade Storm work on acolytes?
(And for bosses? Heavy attack with 12x from Melee Crescendo?)

[somber pike]

Anyone have Skiajati build?

[olive jewel]

i have one but its sorta mid

dual tox build anyone?

[grave cloak]

Hornet strike is flexible for racism mod/riven/sharpened bullets/galvanized crosshairs. Arcane used is deadhead.

[olive jewel]

tyy

[fresh surge]

what arcane are you using?

[grave cloak]

Read the last sentence

[fresh surge]

oh sorry then hornet is kinda irrelevant

[grave cloak]

Which is why I use it as the flexible slot.

I only left hornet in there as I had it for ETA and there's no expel mods yet for scaldra/techrot

[obtuse knot]

need a 0 forma daiky build to lv up my frames with stealth affinity kills :#

[fresh surge]

why won't you just use nataruk for this?

[velvet pulsar]

Tenet Plinx is the final lvl apparently for the strat I'm getting hints of

(unless it's not open world)

[median heron]

I like encumber on toxos

[olive jewel]

just use the nataruk in the plains

+-

[strong quest]

Hey folks, do Elementalist mods affect the additional damage instance from Oraxia's 4?

Ah, cool, then additional question, if I already have, say, 3 tauforged emerald shards boosting that damage and am using a status weapon, would it be better to just add another status mod or would it still be worth it to use elementalist over another element?

To be more specific, im considering this for my Ocucor and my Tenet Ferrox

[quiet laurel]

for ocucor try to get as many useful elements on it as possible

aka a rainbow build

idk what to do with tenet ferrox, never even heard someone speak of the gun before

[strong quest]

Its a good weapon, even without oraxia's 4 it deals good damage, mostly single target though despite having AoE

Probably the best speargun if I had to pick one

Which I did, which is why i have it

Anyway thanks for the advice on the Ocucor!

[outer mauve]

Other then kuva ogris what primary works great with zephyr tornado while she is in the air/hovering?

[fallen ermine]

Any aoe p much

Trumma zarr tonkor sepulcrum envoy parisinc

[outer mauve]

Anything you can think of better then ogris?

[olive jewel]

yo ummm. i need a chakkur build bc all of mine are azz

[fallen ermine]

Sobek/trumna

[outer mauve]

They long range?

[olive jewel]

yes

this what i got on my chakkur

[outer mauve]

Ty ^.^ ogris runs out of ammo quick when flying

[maiden geode]

get galv mods :>

[urban falcon]

Anyone have a nice styanax steal path build they could share?

[mighty flare]

buffing final stand or weapon platformer?

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-styanax-gif-27238072

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound-gif-5498863985254423453

styamaxxing comes at a cost

[mighty flare]

thats why you run fissures cascade (best mode) for free casts & more energy/s from lohk surges
then get lucky for double str & range

[novel agate]

Hey, im a new player, would really like advice on my khora prime build, as im struggling to kill level 35-40+ enemies

[fresh surge]

you can drop the strength mods on her as she doesn't need it do decent damage

also consider swapping dmg type to viral on her whip

[novel agate]

Like condition overload? I changed the damage type. And cumulative whipclaw isnt good?

Are any other mods worth it? Im trying for overextended at the moment and Augur reach

[fresh surge]

i mean spawn the shocking touch for cold mod to get viral

[fresh surge]

she mostly just needs range and duration

the most important thing for dmg is accumulating whipclaw augment

the bonus it provides is additive to power strength that's why we don't need power strength and we can even go below 100% without harming our dmg

do note that her 1 needs to hit 3 enemies+ for the augment to stack

[potent bramble]

do anyone have the nepheri build that works?

[novel agate]

So what are the changes i need to make?

[fresh surge]

with khora build i would remove the strength mod and slot in overextended

and when it comes to her weapon for lv 40-50 it would be a good idea to swap galvanized elementalist for more combo duration to make it easier to keep it up

or you can get get rid of [reach] if you get more ability range

[novel agate]

But my khora dosent have dmg mods

[fresh surge]

oh yea sorry mb

i would personally get rid of rush then

to fit overextended

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[shell tundra]

Does Wisp need duration for her 4 augment?

[keen moat]

Would this riven work well in a boar prime incarnon build or should i cycle?

[novel bear]

It’s just qol and energy economy

[brisk gyro]

i would work but this would force you to play currosive or viral electric

[novel bear]

And you’ll probably end up recasting it before it finishes

[maiden geode]

is ok

[brisk gyro]

cant u have multiples anyways?

[novel bear]

3

[brisk gyro]

yea thats why i was thinking having a lil duration is nice with it so set 3 and forget for like 15 sec

[keen moat]

Thank you, what would you recommend having on the riven?

[brisk gyro]

lemme quickly check my boar to see, but general for like most rivens if you get multishot, damage, crit chance or better crit dmg its good

ok it depends if u want to play status of critt boar

[keen moat]

Honestly either would be fine

[maiden geode]

you can and should go for both.

[brisk gyro]

for status one i would look for dmg, multishot and or one of the elements (except electric). critt is always good to have

for critt one its basicaly the same just instead of an element ud rather accept critt change

i would try getting a critt dmg, multi shot or dmg one to have a generaly good riven

i myself went status since i got this thing

[keen moat]

I see, thank you. then something like this would be a no go?

[brisk gyro]

its funn having a good status chance number xD

[keen moat]

thats quite alot indeed

[maiden geode]

neg status sucks unless your weapon has forced status procs and thats all you need

[brisk gyro]

technicaly its fine

boar has a base status chance of 120%

its ridiculus if u go status

yea ik its a small disadvantage but the other 2 stats are fine for a status build

[maiden geode]

anything is fine, playing a boar rivenless with 4 mods is fine too, heck even playing it modless is fine and can clear level cap with all the free stats, but thats not the point here, negative status chance is bad on a weapon like the boar. you'd much rather want a harmless - stat

[brisk gyro]

for optimal or good riven def. What i was thinking it is better than the left one. The heat allows u to play blast or if u dont want it to go viral heat what makes it better than to do sth with electric

[maiden geode]

Just far better to have -dmg against infested, or something that matters even less like physical damage types you dont need, max ammo on most weapons, recoil, zoom. there is absolutely no reason to stick with neg status which is one that actually hurts its damage output.

[brisk gyro]

i completely agree with u but here i was comparing the two rivens he got. Sure its better to continue rolling to get better one but the comparison of the two rivens imo the neg status gives u more free room for building

[keen moat]

Thank you both for the help. ill keep cycling and try my luck

[hexed loom]

What percentage is vorunas status resistance on her second passive?

[maiden geode]

i think it was 100%

[hexed sundial]

100%

Status immunity

[hexed loom]

Thanks, I just assumed it was less because they called it resistance not immunity

[shell tundra]

What archon shards does Wisp like?

[fresh surge]

red ones for strength

[brisk gyro]

in general ure never wrong with red ones for str
u can use 1 casting speed for qol
and if u use her 4th augment then u can use 1 or 2 green shard for max armor strip

[pulsar ether]

Red

Strength

[shell tundra]

How do I make Wisp more tanky? Basic SP trash mobs burn through the vitality mote fast

[fresh surge]

adaptation is a very good mod for that

also her passive help staying alive

[earnest trench]

???
I feel like left is better but they're both good?

[fresh surge]

both are kinda bleh

[grave cloak]

they're both rubbish

[earnest trench]

oho?

[old marsh]

behold. my negative crit-devouring attrition phenmor build

[novel bear]

For caster?
Ability damage
She can use purple, orange, or green depending on what you have
I prefer orange and green since cataclysmic gate applies those rather than depending on shock motes

[novel bear]

Vitality isn’t great for survivability
You generally rely on invisibility from her passive and her 2, along with the I frames from double casting her 2
On a caster build, you can use huras or shade

[nocturne heart]

this doesn't do as much damage as i hoped it would

[near vortex]

What's the Arcane

and is it incarnon

[nocturne heart]

I don't have any arcanes yet im going to invest on arcane battery and arcane velocity first because my main is mesa prime. its not an incarnon no

[near vortex]

Have you gotten to 1999 content or Arbitrations yet?

[nocturne heart]

no im preparing for the new war quest

[near vortex]

hmmmm
The build SHOULD do just fine for where you are at

If you want easy upgrades, Galvanized Chamber and Galvinized Aptitude should be large boosts to damage

Those come from Arbitrations

You should have Arbi unlocked if you're at New War, so if you want an upgrade you can farm some of those

You don't have Steel Path for the Incarnon adapter and you aren't at 1999 for an Acuity setup

[nocturne heart]

Alright I'll try getting some galvanized mods thanks for the advice

[shell tundra]

Do I deserve to get bullied over this build?

[hard dove]

Adaptation

On an invisible warframe

Oh and brief respite also in an invisible frame

[fresh surge]

adpatation is okay if you don't want to jump all the time

[hard dove]

Just press 2 every 10 sec or so

[fresh surge]

it's okay for "lazier gameplay"

but yea i agree that brief respite is unnecessary

[shell tundra]

I mean, what else should I slot?

[fresh surge]

you mean for aura?

[shell tundra]

Is Rolling Guard also an option?

[hard dove]

Growing power, that one shield reduction aura

[fresh surge]

you mean armor reduction?

[hard dove]

Honestly yeah tox proc on high lvl can be pretty scary

Yes that mb
Corro projection

[fresh surge]

never seen anyone use shield reduction aura

[fresh surge]

doesn't her 2 give a similar effect to rolling guard?

[hard dove]

I don't remember lemme check

What's the name again will-o-wisp?

[fresh surge]

got it

[hard dove]

Does that include status cleanse?

[fresh surge]

dunno

[silent quarry]

doesn't status cleanse but you just do it again for extra invuln if you need to

[pine garden]

what shoud i be using for shield gating? brief respite with augur mods or catalyzing shields?

[mighty flare]

if you can regain +300 shields in 1 cast then no need for catalyzing, otherwise catalyzing + 1 augur is easier

[pine garden]

got it 👍

[drowsy pelican]

Rate the build

[novel bear]

Worthy comradery, breach surge headshots

[shell tundra]

Forgive my slowness, it’s late for me, are you saying that breach surge tags as head shots or is that a play style directive to go for headshots?

[novel bear]

Breach surge hits heads

[shell tundra]

Suffering, agony

[novel bear]

And gets the crit bonus from worthy comradery

Also, on a caster build, use arcane arachne, and replace energize with universal fallout if you have it or alternatively use arcane crepuscular

[shell tundra]

Why would I use Arachne? Does Breach Surge tag enough radiation procs to make Universal Fallout either a side grade or an upgrade to Energize? Does Wisp’s 2 proc invisibility enough to make Crepuscular worth it? Sorry for the barrage of questions

[novel bear]

Arachne affects both cataclysmic gate and breach surge, so it double dips, and is a major damage increase if you don’t have a similar bonus from another source
Cataclysmic gate procs a lot of radiation, and is definitively better than energize
Crepuscular vs fallout is mainly a question of if you have problems with energy or not
With blind rage, you probably want fallout

[coral crest]

ahh, that coveted club of universal weapon bonus damage abilities

(Temple is a part of it but is still crying in the corner)

[shell tundra]

Wait my brain is small, for a second I thought you were telling me to replace both M. Augmented and A. Energize, not just A. Energize

[coral crest]

((i will never forgive DE for "fixing" their kit))

everyone can use pyrotechnics better than Temple now

[novel bear]

Replace augmented with arachne
Replace energize with fallout

[shell tundra]

And I’ve officially lost the plot

So Arachne for buffing 4 and 3, is Crepuscular an option?

[novel bear]

Yes

[shell tundra]

And Universal Fallout I’ve already wrapped my brain around, not entirely sold but that’s because I’m dogwater at casting 4 often enough to warrant farming radiation off of it

[novel bear]

Are you using wisp as a caster or a weapon platform? Or are you trying to do both simultaneously?

[shell tundra]

I cast 3 in crowd, I cast 4 into crowd, I dakka w/ Trumna Prime, I alt fire with Trumna Prime, ???, grofit

[velvet pulsar]

Manifold Bond can proc it too

[toxic cypress]

how could i improve this?

[mighty flare]

use weeping wounds over organ shatter
roll better riven
shocking touch over voltaic strike
condition overload over pressure point

[proper stone]

does oraxia extra instance count as ability damage?

[coral crest]

None of the weapon buffs count as ability dmg

[proper stone]

ok
i just though that since it is a different damage instance it wouldnt count as a buff
for example dagath 2 seems the same

[coral crest]

You can increase the percentage with strength, but they won't interact with anything ability dmg related

[proper stone]

any special interaction with damage instance?
or is it just worse roar?

[coral crest]

Dagath is different, so much so it will actually steal kills from your weapon and prevent stacking of arcanes and galv mods

[proper stone]

damn
that seems bad XD

[coral crest]

Her effect adds a projectile over an enemy that stores damage dealt to said enemy

After some time (or if there's enough dmg to kill an enemy), the projectile drops

So it's pure ability dmg, not coded like a separate instance

[proper stone]

ok got it
but i mostly care abt oraxia 4th rn

[proper stone]

^

[coral crest]

It counts as a second hit

[proper stone]

yea but it only applies toxin status right?

[coral crest]

I should rephrase that

It's affected by weapon mods separately

Instead of being a straight buff to the weapon damage

[proper stone]

so...i triple dip with faction mods?
or did i not understand right?

[coral crest]

Double dip

[proper stone]

i mean the status

toxin status from the instance

mb

[coral crest]

I think?

[proper stone]

so i need to get toxin damage on my weapon mods?

[coral crest]

You get multiplier for final weapon damage, then second instance based on the total weapon damage also gets a faction bonus

[proper stone]

i hate faction mods tho :(

[coral crest]

I mean using it as an example

I hate faction mods as well

[proper stone]

so roar double dips too?
on the instance damage

[coral crest]

You can't place roar and silken stride together

[proper stone]

oh yeah

xata?

[coral crest]

No

1 sec

[proper stone]

oh

[coral crest]

Only Saryn can have that combo

Since for some reason Toxin Lash doesn't conflict with roar/xata's

[proper stone]

back to the other question
does the instance get affected by every elemental mod?
or just toxin mods?

[coral crest]

(Total base dmg (incl faction mod modifier))x (toxin mods) x (stuff like elementalist mods)

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Damage/Toxin_Damage

Wiki goes very extensively on it

[proper stone]

why does the new instance deal the same damage?
i have an ax-52 without mods
dealing 6 damage and the toxin instance deals the same
when i crit tho, it deals 1 damage more than the weapon from 14 to 15 on the instance

[tawny nova]

For a solid melee weapon based on Crit, which would be better for general use? Tenet Exec or Fragor Prime?

[lunar blade]

Still you have the extra element choice on exec, you could go viral influence with primed fever strike

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-18120019

do not influence with pfs

[lunar blade]

The exec’s cone isn’t very reliable for the slam :/ , you still get more kills and with less effort with Influence

[strong arch]

I found a way to combine and use melee influence on a pure heat build in a way that my companion can use it to multiply it's damage with the already multiplied damage in one hit that spreads to do billions.

I can kill gods now

[mighty flare]

pfs makes influence less reliable
you never go mixed influence unless forced

[lunar blade]

Obviously. Slam and status don’t go well together. If you go with a slam build, you don’t use Influence

[mighty flare]

you said this, you dont go pfs for viral influence just in general

[strong arch]

Heat influence is neat

[storm sable]

Would kompressa be nice with oraxia gun platform build?

[lunar blade]

I hadn’t connected PFS to Fever Strike but to the shockwave "projectiles" fired by the exec sorry. 🤣
It depends on what you use, Weeping Wounds with Naramon + 60% status chance from Vicious Frost. Other than that, it only has Slash and Impact, both surpassed by the extra 60% Electric element. It procs Influence easily, and you don’t give up the damage from Primed Fever Strike, which you can feel when you hit an Acolyte with a 12x Tennokai heavy attack. I agree that it doesn’t work on all melee weapons though

[strong arch]

With my companion it does the funny dmg cap spreading after 2 hits.

[lunar blade]

I also have the Hate as a Heat Influence, different build. If you like that combo, there are also the Tonkkatt, which get Heat that can’t be combined with the mods '0'

[compact hill]

any claw mod suggestions for panzer vulpa?

[tawny nova]

should I change any mods or keep as is for now?

[wind kettle]

my gyre build, i thinks its ok. subsumed tharros strike instead of the commonly chosen pillage for bc personal preference

use power drain for some extra ability str if you want to min max a bit

gyre works well with armour strip, if you like helios, helios can do that with surprising effectiveness

[grave cloak]

First time I heard that pillage is the common subsume on gyre tbh

[coral crest]

I think 99% of builds on Overframe have it

Because she has no survivability tools

Outside of cc

[grave cloak]

I mean if you want survivability tools omamori is the more reliable subsume over pillage, no?

[coral crest]

Armor strip for electrical arcs

[grave cloak]

also trusting overframe😔

[wind kettle]

I chosen to subsume off her first instead of her 2nd just because the second is really power CC and group enemies which is also good in general for her abilities and tharos strike. and helios gets a bit of benefit too

[coral crest]

I'm just using it as an example

[mighty flare]

need armor strip if going ability dps route

[coral crest]

But this person is... Health tanking with gyre

I think?

[wind kettle]

no, not tanking at all

[coral crest]

I mean you have adaptation and armor

[wind kettle]

thats just mild dr in higher levels.

[coral crest]

But the blue armor shard...

[coral crest]

That sounds kind of useless for how squishy she is

[wind kettle]

better than nothing unfortunately

[coral crest]

I mean if she gets hit through the shield she may as well die

[grave cloak]

Not enough red circles, can you also add red arrows

[coral crest]

Armor doesn't affect shields

[mighty flare]

mismanaged resources, if ur tryna ehp for like eta you can do better

if you mean above that, then theres no point

[wind kettle]

I find most of the time with my build deaths are due to tox procs from eximus or slash procs.

unfortunately armour wont stop those

[coral crest]

You know what could do the job instead of adaptation for this

[wind kettle]

but eh. ill take dr for a rainy day

[coral crest]

Rolling guard

Or... pillage?

[wind kettle]

;p not a fan of rollin guard, personal preference

[coral crest]

I mean this armor shard just does nothing

It's like barely any dr

[wind kettle]

neat

[mighty flare]

dr from armor is miniscule

use blessings or something

[coral crest]

I mean as long as it works for you

[wind kettle]

eh :/

[grave cloak]

There's also the sacrifice mod you can put on sentinels

[mighty flare]

gyre is now (somewhat) tanky

[grave cloak]

Does essentially the same thing

[mighty flare]

or just use fortifier

[grave cloak]

or just use vazarin

[wind kettle]

that would be an option but deconstructor prime has no crit at all. its a option tho

[mighty flare]

?

[coral crest]

Are you using vicious bond?

Or what was the one for crit

[wind kettle]

sacrifical mods?

[grave cloak]

Sacrifice does not require crit for any reason whatsoever

[versed harbor]

the mod sacrifice not sacrificial steel

[wind kettle]

oh pff lol

[mighty flare]

helios is useless nowadays
ur using armor strip subsume which make helios x2 useless

[versed harbor]

hes good with some abilities tbh like qorvex

[coral crest]

What are you using tenacious bond for?

[mighty flare]

not really

rather run nautilus to actually give good grouping

[versed harbor]

full strips rly quick and lazy

so you can strip with helios and group with a subsume

[coral crest]

Just FYI it doesn't apply to Gyre's passive

I hope you know that

[mighty flare]

if you're grouping with subsume then you have easy setup to actually strip with 2
making helios useless again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176704735630336080.gif?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

[wind kettle]

:p helios is pretty active regardless, even if i have a group + strip combo doesnt mean helios isnt doing anything

[grave cloak]

Just use oxylus

[wind kettle]

plus i got to fill out that codex :p

[mighty flare]

having another form of armor strip makes helios useless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176704735630336080.gif?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

[versed harbor]

but 2 is ur subsume slot

[mighty flare]

?

[versed harbor]

1 and 3 are good

[mighty flare]

??

[coral crest]

My subsime slot is 54

Don't ask what my other 53 abilities are

[mighty flare]

3 becomes useless with fused crucible augment and any form of overguard

[versed harbor]

if ur solo ig

I just prefer any other group/strip alternative to 2 cuz it saves a mod slot and its faster

[mighty flare]

if ur going at support angle then you have better options

[versed harbor]

and 2 range is rly annoying

[grave cloak]

What are your other 53 abilities

[coral crest]

I don't have nourish

[grave cloak]

Pensive

[mighty flare]

qorvex 2 is also dmg vulnerability which isnt something you get easily

[coral crest]

Yeah damage vuln and grouping

That's universally useful even if a bit janky to use

And armor strip if with an augment

[versed harbor]

id rather just have a larger range proper grouping tool like coil horizon, larva etc cuz the enemys being closer together will give more dmg anyway cuz of how his 4 works

[coral crest]

But his 2 does that too

And applied vulnerability regardless of OG

[mighty flare]

larva makes 2 extremely consistent, if ur using 4 aug then 3 becomes useless

[astral tinsel]

it's really funny when you get the void fissure range bonus

[mighty flare]

2 is very shyte in grouping

[coral crest]

Fair enough

[mighty flare]

needs help to effectively group

[coral crest]

If only it got wider instead of longer

[versed harbor]

I just still like 3 tbh but I dont perma beam rly

[mighty flare]

so using a grouping subsume / nautilus / magus anomaly immediately makes his 2 somewhat okay again

i refuse to call anything from qorvex better than okay

[versed harbor]

the idea of using grouping ability -> wall -> priming -> beam is just alot

[mighty flare]

priming is done automatically

unless ur still in stone age with no companions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176704735630336080.gif?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

[versed harbor]

I mean ye but also companions are kinda slow

[mighty flare]

use better companions

[versed harbor]

the only one that would prime quick enough would be like hounds or maybe diriga

but then you lose nautilus/helios

[coral crest]

Vacuum is for casuals

[mighty flare]

no tazicor/helstrum?

nautilus is amazing primer with assault mode on one of those

[coral crest]

Weapons do most of the work when priming with sentinels

[versed harbor]

helstrum is slow without rly rly tight groups and tazicor chains like what 4 enemies?

[coral crest]

It's only hounds and diriga that spam status with abilities

[mighty flare]

larva/cordon

[mighty flare]

what

[coral crest]

Uhhh

[mighty flare]

you mentioned alr using larva which solves helstrum projectile speed issues
cordon solves that issue itself with cordon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176704735630336080.gif?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

[versed harbor]

cordon isnt tight and like ye larva works

but bubonico or w/e still faster

[mighty flare]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5J4BvRWEAAG_Ni.gif

[versed harbor]

more reliable when companion decides to shoot the eximus thats not getting cc'd or decides not to shoot atall

[mighty flare]

sounds like you have temu companions

[coral crest]

I'm using a hound 99% of the time, does cordon work with manifold?

[versed harbor]

ye

[mighty flare]

yes

[coral crest]

Oh nice

[mighty flare]

also again, if ur using larva like you alr mentioned then even tazicor primes everything

[versed harbor]

I mean ye but I just prefer reliability cuz this

it takes a fraction of a second to fire a bubonico or ogris or w/e primer u want

[mighty flare]

it takes less with companions primers, what you are describing has never happened to me
or the very least, never happened consistenty enough to say that companions are slow/inconsistent primers

theres also reload speeds on sentinel weapons

[versed harbor]

just a preference thing

it might be cuz the distance cuz ill group fairly far away from me

[mighty flare]

i mean, there are several reasons against qorvex 3 while 2 gets better

[versed harbor]

and there are several reasons against 2 too

its just preference, qorvex is cool cuz he needs lots of stuff and you gotta solve it

[wind kettle]

@drifting oracle unfortunately havent filled out archonshards

[drifting oracle]

Maybe I should try use him for something that isn't an Eido carrier lmao

[real sluice]

What mods should I have for nuke builds? I’m using things like blind rage, transient fortitude, and umbral intensity for maximum strength and I’m only cracking 4-5k. Something isn’t adding up

[astral tinsel]

what frame

[real sluice]

Most of mine lol

Chroma, equinox, the whole lot

I see people exist with these characters and everything goes bye bye

I use all the buttons in the world and an enemy at lvl 110 doesn’t dies

(also theyre all primes at max rank)

Like I’m at 250+ ability str

And things ain’t even close to dying at 110, let alone high rank steel path

[wind kettle]

thats a bit of a loaded question unfortunately

[real sluice]

?

[wind kettle]

strength alone is not the soul determing factor for a nuke build

and varries between frames and how the frame operates

[real sluice]

I’ve tried nuke build I’ve seen that are frame specific and it still don’t work lol

Idk if it’s cause I’m 1pip from max on umbral intensify or something 🤷🏻

[coral crest]

Different frames do it differently, you know

[real sluice]

I know, I’m just wondering why it’s working for others and not me

[coral crest]

You need to provide specifics

[wind kettle]

chroma is a bit of an odd ball for being a nuke frame, maybe he has changed but not a frame i would consider large aoe enemy damage dealing

[coral crest]

Yeah nuke is not exactly the right word

He buffs weapon damage into heaven

But his best ability damage is...

2000 I think

[wind kettle]

Valkyr ill use for example, melee frame, not a big aoe frame either but high damage and very fast with some cc. i got full crit and with melee range and use tennokai to nuke enemies around me

[coral crest]

You can't just press all buttons and kill everything

Especially on Equinox, for an example

[astral tinsel]

well chroma's damage abilities suck

[coral crest]

Don't fall into "nuke this nuke that" mentality

Actually learn what the frame does

[astral tinsel]

and for equinox, strength only affects the slash tickle

[coral crest]

If you don't know why it's not working, then you most likely don't know how the abilities interact

[real sluice]

I do know what my frames do lol, thats why I farmed for em. I’m mainly wondering why my damage is so lack luster compared to everyone else I see use em

[wind kettle]

gyre is a enemy density dependant frame and requires modding to a point where without adquate energy restoration from orbs or abilities would choke.

[coral crest]

You haven't provided specifics

[real sluice]

Cause I just got out of bed and haven’t logged in yet

I need coffee before I’m able to write an essay like I normally do lol

[coral crest]

Then I'm not sure why you're asking such a broad question

[lunar blade]

I'm glad omni forma exist now... a bit late though 🥲

[coral crest]

Anyways I gotta go

[real sluice]

Like, what specifics you need? I might be able to get the answer if ya prod my brain

[coral crest]

Byeeee

[real sluice]

Ah, well damn

[coral crest]

Oh and

You can't just slap the same general build on Chroma and Equinox and expect it to "nuke"

[wind kettle]

whats the frame your mainly using?

[coral crest]

Now I'm gone

[real sluice]

Equinox, Titania (know her builds are different lol), xaku, wisp

Valkyr too

[grave cloak]

sorry if my frame doesn't kill all enemies 2 rooms over, full regens energy in 1.5s, cc's acolytes for 10s with no DR, does my math homework and cleans my room every morning for me then what's the point

[wind kettle]

xaku i konw uses their 2nd, 4th , gaze for armour strip and the first to be silly. essentially becoming a mobile turret. anythign low level usually dies pretty quickly to that

wisp is likely using breach surge and some headshot silliness to take out multiple enemies, not a traditional nuke frame but good regardless.

titania, press 4 and have decently modded weapons

i dont play much of equinox so abilities are nto fresh in my mind but the diea is storing up damage then releasing it

[real sluice]

She’s actually my main frame

Titania is legit so fun, and idk why I don’t see many play her outside of relic missions

[wind kettle]

preference

[real sluice]

I mean fair. If you don’t like archwing movement then yeah she’s not for you

[lunar blade]

Agree. I have a titania modded for sp, no issues survivng, killing things, or energy, and you're still the fastest frame.

[crisp pine]

is this how you build sevagoth properly? he has invisability due to shade

[severe bough]

I wouldnt personally use crep and nokko subsume Esp when your nuking rather go with roar over the 4 u need any kind of energy Economy ( mabye u got equi shards whatever ) u can swap augur secrets for pflow and umb int for equi look that u reach 255% str with molt augmented and archon shards combined

[lunar blade]

I was about to say where's the energy then I see brightbonnet or whatever the name is. Does it work? I mean, unless you're in a static mission like defense, and for how much strength you put even 150% str with roar nukes more

[crisp pine]

I do get energy from it and it give strength at the same time.

[crisp pine]

I technically have 2 purple shard to sub equalibrum

[severe bough]

I didnt tested it out but i can say that thats probably the least I would choose

Dont even have nokko subs

[severe bough]

I mean if u are okay with that np but for myself i rather like equi esp on frames like sev that are really energy hungry

[lunar blade]

my sevagoth has equilibrium and energize and if I spam too much I still end up with no energy XD , it could be preference. just go solo on a sp survival for 5 minutes and see if it's working and if you like this playstyle

[fallen ermine]

if reap sow sevagoth sadly roar is mandatory

unless u viral priming

it sucks without, cuz u need almost 1k ability str without priming n roar (to 1 tap)

[severe bough]

The problem about sev EVEN if u got any comp with snyth decon u probably have nothing from it since everything get nuked before even dmg from your comp

[fallen ermine]

bring scyotid + emergency dissipate

tis what i use for solo

[crisp pine]

With the brightbonnet you can have next no energy and it will basically bring to full in a couple of bounces. It just net you energy per cast and give strength as bonus.. Although roar is great really go ham if i have energy economy.

[crisp pine]

that likely one of the problems i have with this frame. That energy economy is pretty terrible on it own (that is why brightbonnet is there). I had to put it in the invisibility corner as sevagoth's surivablilty is SO BAD.

[severe bough]

I mean u can also use passive gating but for me personally active gating and aegis for Qol is enough

[fallen ermine]

obv use epitaph viral and diriga for bounty missions or low lvl mobs

u dont have to shade/huras

[lunar blade]

Did anyone find good use for nokko subsume?
There's Wisp... for the meme.
And Mirage with mines gameplay is just bounce spamming 2, you can remove any energy mod/arcane for more strenght now, while "supporting" the team with energy and strenght and there's even total eclipse for full... "support" 🤣
They don't get a kill anyway. 😔

[fallen ermine]

makes alot of caster frames life better

including this fker

[severe bough]

Pre buff jade in arbis

[crisp pine]

I usually put it on frames that have serious energy issue or just issue in general. It is great for caster frames that rely on active shield gating.

Side note: sevagoth is in a group of frames that really have make them survivable.

[crisp pine]

wait a minute the theshold is 255% str?

[severe bough]

Yes ( or it was 250% )

With roar to one tap cac enemys

[crisp pine]

without roar what would threshold be?

[severe bough]

600% or so

Or even more

Idk didnt got into the numbers of that probably to high

[crisp pine]

fair

[grave cloak]

multiply 255 by 3

[severe bough]

U dont reach that unless u got helminth inf

[grave cloak]

that will be your threshold without roar

[severe bough]

Wait waaait let my math brain do that without calc

[grave cloak]

or the duviri decree that gives you 600% strength

just be a normal person and use roar on seva though

[severe bough]

Or double str in fissure

[severe bough]

Follow the mass exactly

[crisp pine]

I drop a small damage problem for massive energy problem...

[grave cloak]

equilibrium + arcane energize

[crisp pine]

didn't someone say they still run out of energy?

[grave cloak]

idk how you run out of energy with that setup tbh

[severe bough]

For me i dont even really use energized i just use equi that works for me

But just test both ways out

[grave cloak]

anyone knows how amanata's buff works? say I roll a +40% flat crit chance, do I keep that buff for my next 30 hits until the next time I roll the dice?

or is there a time limit on the buffs

[fresh surge]

and it last forever

[grave cloak]

oh neat

[fallen ermine]

does the buff stick to anything

or just amanata

[fresh surge]

doubt it

maybe some melee exalted can inherit it but i woulnd't count on this

[fallen ermine]

dont got amanata to test smh

[celest tendon]

What is good melee riven for hate roll good to have.

[fresh surge]

i do but i dunno how you could test that

ok i have a stupid idea

[grave cloak]

in no particular order(except cd being top priority) it will be crit damage/crit chance/status chance/heat/range/attack speed

[fresh surge]

well doesn't seem to work

[celest tendon]

which one is good or to roll again

[grave cloak]

neither, roll again

[fresh surge]

https://tenor.com/view/koumei-gambling-awdangit-koumei-gambling-mrwarframeguy-gif-14566313064866036936

[grave cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-koumei-warframe-koumei-gambling-gif-6157563614102499688

[fresh surge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

bye then

[celest tendon]

how about now

[grave cloak]

again

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[celest tendon]

what exactly stats do i need to obtain than

so i can write it down on my plans

[grave cloak]

I told you here

actually you can add initial combo in there as well

[lavish orbit]

Protea is pretty fun, you can get over 159% str bonus with her passive and 2 shrooms on field

[celest tendon]

ok time to roll them later again thx

[crisp pine]

the roar setup is serious feast or famine.. even with energize and equalibrum it barely get energy back. Sometimes, you just run out of energy entirely on sevagoth. Equalibrum + energize is BARELY enough to cover the cost..

[velvet pulsar]

Synth Deconstruct?

[crisp pine]

i doubt i can use it while invisible. sevagoth's surviablilty is really bad. I do not think i could get out the nuke before he just dies.

[velvet pulsar]

Huras or Shade?

[crisp pine]

shade.

[velvet pulsar]

Shade doesn't attack enemies with regular attack precept while invisible?

[crisp pine]

does it?

[velvet pulsar]

If it can, then tazicor can help with health orb spawns

[coral crest]

It can't

[velvet pulsar]

Oh not even regular precept?

[coral crest]

That's the main difference between shade and huras. Huras can attack

[velvet pulsar]

I know shade has its own precept which disables it from attacking when you're invisible

Didn't know regular precept also fails that

[coral crest]

Coolant leak for an example would break invisibility

[severe bough]

U can still prime enemys in invisi if u use duplex

[velvet pulsar]

But that won't proc synth Deconstruct

[severe bough]

It doesnt?

[coral crest]

And it also won't give invisibility to duplex clones

Leading to stray shots

[velvet pulsar]

And I doubt that duplex bond clones spawning energy orbs will be enough

[coral crest]

Huras can go invisible and attack meanwhile

[severe bough]

I mean clones dont apply to the mods but iirc when 1 dupe is on the field your on invis shade also attacks so it should still work with snyth

[coral crest]

And proc deconstruct reliably

[crisp pine]

yeah the whole issue is that I am still running out of energy with sevagoth even with energize and equalibrum. I am using shade and can't proc deconstruct..

[coral crest]

Use huras

[quiet laurel]

are you at neutral efficiency

[velvet pulsar]

I have 2 unconventional suggestions if you're not using zenurik

[crisp pine]

i would if I had one...

[quiet laurel]

efficiency on sevagoth is so important

[crisp pine]

45% but I am have no room to do anything with that

[velvet pulsar]

Do u care about melee slot when using sevagoth?

[quiet laurel]

yeah no wonder you have energy problems

[crisp pine]

i am using roar as recommendation. as you need 255% str to one shot everything. but the last two abiltiles are not useful for what I use them for

[velvet pulsar]

I said do u use melee at all when running sevagoth

[quiet laurel]

try to reach the 255% str threshold without blind rage

[crisp pine]

nope. Melee will break stealth

[velvet pulsar]

Good
Then I suggest u to take...
Broken Scepter

[crisp pine]

Why scepter?

[velvet pulsar]

It forces orbs out of corpses

[quiet laurel]

are we fr

pls tell me you are not for real 😭

[crisp pine]

slight problem with that I have TWO augments taking up space for the nuke.

[quiet laurel]

strength shards

and strength arcanes

[velvet pulsar]

I said "unconventional"

[crisp pine]

so we going for 5 red shard build...

that is expensive

[coral crest]

Grimoire with energy regen?

[quiet laurel]

sevagoth is very high investment

[velvet pulsar]

What other arcane u using than energize?

[crisp pine]

if we are using any weapons, we got talk about how we solve the surviablilty problem as this guy is made of paper

[coral crest]

Ah, right

You're using invisibility

[velvet pulsar]

It's too graceful combo that I don't wanna suggest anything else

[crisp pine]

I have tried to make it work with passive shield gating (both with big shields and small shields). It did not work well.

[quiet laurel]

way too mod expensive for sevagoth

sevagoth is kinda forced to active gate

or do invisibility shenanigens if that makes you sleep at night

[velvet pulsar]

Broken Scepter spawns health orbs from organic dead bodies and energy orbs from robotic dead bodies

[quiet laurel]

crazy new tech discovered fr fr

[velvet pulsar]

More like remembered

[crisp pine]

it is an option. Just not a great option but maybe the only option.

[velvet pulsar]

I'm sure several people don't remember Magus Accelerant

[coral crest]

Magus accelebad

[velvet pulsar]

Definitely not the only option

There's zenurik

Operator arcane

[quiet laurel]

if you consider scepter an option idk what to tell you 😭

zenurik on sevagoth also kinda eh cause it messes with shield gate

[velvet pulsar]

And if u wait more than a week, then focus school ultimates

[velvet pulsar]

But that player ain't using shield hate

[weary lily]

Anyonge got a good mid game (just starting steelpath) excalibur umbra build

[coral crest]

We got invisibility here

[quiet laurel]

then its fine ig but holy this is a scuffed build

[coral crest]

It really is

[quiet laurel]

like best solution is just get rid of blind rage and invest into him more

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly I think a Hound with guardian can also offer good survivability

[quiet laurel]

you cant get around to investing much into sevgoth for the good results

[quiet laurel]

its nice QoL but not reliable enough

as a standalone option that is

[velvet pulsar]

It covers Synth Deconstruct
Unconventional survivability via radiation priming, which does affect eximus as well
Viral priming is always welcome, specially against eximus, but sure if u want cold priming for more survivability.

[crisp pine]

I would either need sac flow and get all tau forged reds for a build that is not my main.

[velvet pulsar]

...

U r not running Primed Flow?

Not even archon flow?

[crisp pine]

i recommendated from someone on this thread.

[velvet pulsar]

What about this?

[quiet laurel]

someone recommended not running p. flow on sevagoth?
that person either baited you hard or is giving the worst advice ever

[velvet pulsar]

That simply proves I AM for real

Coz we have someone who is definitely not

[crisp pine]

what procs this

[velvet pulsar]

On sevagoth? Nothing. I said it if in case u don't have primed flow

[crisp pine]

I have primed flow and archon flow so we good

[crisp pine]

no I meant was that they recommned P.flow

[quiet laurel]

ah

[crisp pine]

sorry for teh confusion

I would need to sac either flow or overextended

[crisp pine]

How important is dark progation

[velvet pulsar]

I never bothered to understand the sevagoth tech

I only know that u slap 2 augments together and u get a true dmg lvl disrespecting nuke

[quiet laurel]

both augments are basically must slots

1st augment gives you more shadows which means bigger AoE coverage

2nd augment spreads sow

[crisp pine]

that makes my job of getting more ability strength kind of a pain as I essentially have 6 slots to work with. Also, you need like a lot of range? 190%?

[quiet laurel]

tbh range isnt as important as you would think

just stretch will do tbh

[velvet pulsar]

U can make use of 8 slots even then

Aura and Exilus also offer STR

exilus also offers range

(scratch the aura, growing power won't proc in ur case)

[grave cloak]

getting 255 checkpoint isn't that difficult tbh

base strength = 100
umbral intensify = 44
4 tauforged red = 60
fully stacked molt augmented = 60
264 just like that 🤷‍♀️
can throw in madurai school for 40 bonus strength

if you are playing with pre made squad could be easier ig if you have a pocket rhino and nokko

[crisp pine]

I got it to 255 already now after taking out overextended

although the build is now matching the rate energy i get with brightbonnet now but with more damage. Issue now is dealing with the acotyles.

sevagoth is just such narrow frame to design around

[distant jackal]

How does one build lavos?

[old marsh]

Balanced stats & using his augments

[quiet laurel]

for weapons platform just duration, nothing else, and idk for nuke, I only play him for weapons platform

I also recommend going passive gate route since it scales better

you can also subsume omamori on top if passive gating isnt enough

[gloomy elm]

anyone has a decnet coda tysis build i can look at

[south brook]

is there anything i should change about my xoris here?

and my braton incarnon

[fresh surge]

yea to start of the arcane

[south brook]

its good no? xoris has innate electrocute procs

[fresh surge]

influence is top tier on it for that reason

[south brook]

i selected a wrong one, i have that arcane mb

[distant jackal]

Is 243 str too much then?

[south brook]

and i have primary merciless, for my braton i just forgot to equip it

[distant jackal]

I have this rnn

Thinking of adding swift bite aswell

And adaptation

[brisk jolt]

1 cast sp 4 str

[fresh surge]

i prefer to use pure electric on my xoris since i usually run panzer

[south brook]

i kinda need viral since my damage is so low against high level enemies, and SP is hell

[fresh surge]

also swap the pressure point for killing blow

[charred gale]

Ur not gonna be procing viral if u oneshot them

[south brook]

i cant one shot them that is the issue lol

[fresh surge]

yea even if you don't run other way to proc viral i would still go for pure electric

i use this on mine

[brisk jolt]

u can consult my build lavos

[charred gale]

If u lean more into melee influence then u will

[distant jackal]

Yeah im looking at it rn

[fresh surge]

well you actually don't want to one shot enemies from the hit alone

but the first DoT proc will kill them

[distant jackal]

I dont understand how one plays lavos and thats why i cant decide on how to build him

[charred gale]

Ive found that forced elec proc weapons just spread influence even if it oneshots

[south brook]

alr ill try his build then

but about my braton incarnon, what should i do?

[fresh surge]

hmm maybe it works different for forced procs then

also bane mods triple-dip with influence so roar will boost the dmg to absurd amounts

[distant jackal]

How do u play with your build?

[brisk jolt]

proc as much status on enemy and use skill to reset countdown of it

u need combine all of element to have 10 stacks impetus first ( easy to do with lavos synergy)

[south brook]

@fresh surgedude you cooked holy

[fresh surge]

i mean that's just a standard build nothing innovative but thanks ^^

[brisk jolt]

i will try do some example for u on my ip

or tomorrow when im using my pc

[south brook]

still this is so much better then what i made previously

[distant jackal]

So its just like put a bunch on status on enemies and nuke whit 4?

[brisk jolt]

yea

[fresh surge]

glad i could help then ^^

[brisk jolt]

and use 1 or 3 to reset countdown

[fallen ermine]

there is caster lavos hi, wp lavos, and mecha nuke pet lavos

[distant jackal]

Ill try it out then, im still unure whether i want caster nuke or weapons Platform tbh

[brisk jolt]

good luck then

[fresh surge]

also lavos can be silly with harmony dunno if someone pointed that out

[distant jackal]

Yep idk how to play caster lavos im too slow

Ill just do wp platform

Never asking chat gpt for builds again holy

[coral crest]

Lavos is pretty easy to build, only thing you have to decide on is how you're going to survive

[fresh surge]

warfame has to many elements for gpt to give anything usefull

[coral crest]

Because he has probably the most horrid example of a health tank expiration date syndrome

[fresh surge]

lavos is the only frame that has shield but can't shieldgate

[coral crest]

Where he can tank in his sleep at one point and then get slapped and explode at another

[grave cloak]

I can't tell which is worse for asking builds tbh, chatgpt or in game qna chat

[coral crest]

He has zero active ways to scale his survivability, probably because they built him as a caster with huge range and movement

Cc = survivability most of the time in DE's eyes and he's a health tank

Death sentence

[charred gale]

One is very clearly worse

[fresh surge]

yea i have seen a l4 recommend protea build that doesn't reach 230% power str

[coral crest]

There are worse places but I won't mention them

There's also one worse place I can mention (Grind Hard Squad)

[distant jackal]

Both my protea builds arend 230 str

[fresh surge]

well how much do they have bc that one had less than 100%

[coral crest]

In all fairness, if they let Lavos have some sort of scaling survivability he'd probably be too good to exist

[distant jackal]

One is 183 other 154

[fresh surge]

and he argued the passive alone is good enough to cover for that

[charred gale]

Like revenant?

Or any invisible frame

[coral crest]

Nah, not that kind

I'm not talking about strength or usefulness

More about game design

[fresh surge]

okay to clarify tbh the 230% is just nice for high level content it isn't a necessity i just like it very much

[coral crest]

Lavos is a cc frame with a nuke ability that has huge range

[fresh surge]

but bellow 100% is vile 💀

[coral crest]

DE never gives those any sort of survivability

But he's a health tank, so they gave him no in-kit ways to scale that survivability

Unlike literally any other health tank

All he gets is status immunity

[charred gale]

Ic

[fresh surge]

i mean he has very high base armor and health drain on 1

[coral crest]

Scale.

[fresh surge]

if you are not going for level cap he is easy to survive with imo

[distant jackal]

Yeah, i might just do triple umbra lavos ngl caster not rlly my thing

[coral crest]

His tanking falls off much, much earlier than level cap

Unlike most health tanks, again

[old marsh]

I personally don’t like negative efficiency on Lavos. But as long as u can manage his cooldowns with swift bite augment and/or his ability then u r fine

[coral crest]

Due to having no internal DR/armor sources that you can put on top

Look at Grendel, even he has that

And he has status immunity as well

And shield gating

[fresh surge]

yea but most playerbase doesn't see levels above the 400

[coral crest]

Very fair point, it's more of a personal gripe

I think if they let Orphidian Bite flow into shields/overshields it would've made Lavos like a billion times better for endurance without making him too strong for normal play

So it could be a form of proactive defense instead of picking your exploded ass up and gluing it back together

[compact hill]

is this build for wisp good?

[coral crest]

Also I feel like we will be getting there eventually

Looking at the difference between EDA and ETA

[icy galleon]

If it's made by Ninjase it's probably great

[fresh surge]

yea ninjase makes good builds but this build is support only (which is mentioned in the title)

[old marsh]

It’s ok. Be mindful Archon intensify only procs when u actually heal something. U can slot in Umbral for consistent STR. And u may wanna use fused reservoir for Exilus. And I got no idea why is there a Amar mod. Might as well slot something else based on comfort. And given there is bellicose, u can either pair it with arcane blessing or have an HP mod to boost your HP more so with her 1, u can hit that sweet 3k HP threshold

Point of the build is to get as much STR as u can. Adjust based on preference.

[novel bear]

Amar’s hatred is strength

Biggest problem with that build is your energy economy will suck

[old marsh]

Hence the recommendation for getting that STR from bellicose instead.

[novel bear]

Vitality will not give more strength than amar’s hatred

[midnight horizon]

Checking if you have any suggestions

Though for now it works... But in the mean time in endgame (reaching 300lvls) I'm sure it'll flop

[fresh surge]

i mean this build is mainly suited to have as strong buffs as you can

[novel bear]

Still need to be able to cast those buffs

[fresh surge]

equilibrium is not needed on nidus

[fresh surge]

1 time per mission when it comes to motes

[midnight horizon]

Oh yeah now I have Rage...

[fresh surge]

rage also ins't neccesery if you know how to play nidus well

[novel bear]

Depends on the mission

[fresh surge]

his 1 restores energy per hit

[midnight horizon]

How so? His energy kinda sucks for me now

[fresh surge]

if you hit 4 enemies with nidus one it will fully restore energy used to cast it

if you hit more than 4 you will actually gain energy

[midnight horizon]

With my skills?

[coral crest]

With his 1

[midnight horizon]

Wait is that his Energy container?

[coral crest]

His 1 restores energy if hit more than 4 enemies, since the cost will be refunded

[fresh surge]

with his 1