lore-discussion

[ebon prism]

why did the tenno just utter the words "rap tap tap" is bro walli?

[narrow pendant]

wally makes the tap sounds which rell refers to as "rap tap tap"

[ebon prism]

ah

[pale cedar]

Wally was influencing Operator and trying to get at the memories

[ebon prism]

oh ic that makes sense... im still so confused with the old peace... maybe i forgot the lore of the quests leading up to that one ?

[narrow pendant]

the old peace happens during the old war where that was a previously forgotten truce between the orokin and sentient that broke to which the war resumed

[pale cedar]

Quest is fairly simple

During the Old War there was a temporary peace treaty while there was voting Orokin got 3 for 3 against which meant Ballas was the deciding vote so was sent to Tau

Anarchs wanted to break the peace treaty which is why you fight them

Xenoflora allows Sentients to break from the hivemind and Ballas tricked you into destroying possibly all of or all of it on the Moon specifically which leads to the war restarting

[ebon prism]

why was the old peace forgotten? and why do we research it?

[pale cedar]

Margulis made us forget it to shield us as it was treason

[ashen pulsar]

holy shit karissh GRAFTED ON MULTIPLE STOMACHS

LMAO

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

Just learned that? Yeah he willingly looks like that

[pale cedar]

How did Grendel eat Karishh’s 7 other Stomachs?

[brittle siren]

Tbh we never know how big Karishh is

compare to Grendel

also isn't Grendel can just turn ppl into particles?

[glacial pendant]

Could Albrecht have orchestrated the Zariman incident in an attempt to recreate his Cavia experiment?

[brittle siren]

no?

[glacial pendant]

Why not?

[pale cedar]

Outside of fingers It wasn’t anything to do with Albrecht

[lean garden]

Given that after the cavia experiment he basically gave himself a thanos "fine I'll do it myself" moment, I doubt he'd flip it onto the colony ship

[glacial pendant]

I think it would make sense from his perspective. Like he needed a chosen operator. And he realized that he lacks the emotional intelligence and ability to empathize with others so "Why not throw a whole ship full of people into the void, there has to be someone there who can emotionally support the people I hurt with my obsession in fighting the Indifference."

I think it would also explain why many people in the Orokin Empire thought it was a military ship and we're surprised that there were children on board.

[glacial pendant]

But yeah I think this is a legitimate hole in the theory.

[lean garden]

I think it would also explain why many people in the Orokin Empire thought it was a military ship and we're surprised that there were children on board.
This sentence itself already has many issues

We have one character who was told its a military ship

and within that entry itself its abundantly clear that it wasnt

[glacial pendant]

Right.

[fast dew]

Also, there's the chance Albrecht was still in recovery from the void incident

He also actively condemns the Zariman parades!

[fast dew]

Yall wanna here my analysis of the pizza crusts left in the backrooms by presumably Albrecht

Sorry its. Been on my mind.

[drowsy saddle]

Does the few days where grendel was able to swallow crewships count?

[tall echo]

The need for a chosen operator means operators already existed

[glacial pendant]

Right that's also a good argument against it

[tall echo]

Also his previous experiments would lead to the assumption that throwing the zariman in the void with that intent would just kill everyone

[glacial pendant]

It was sorta theory I wasn't much sure of that came out trying to theorize what Albrecht's plan is post Kalymos Sequence. And why he needs us to fight the Indifference.

[tall echo]

I think he doesn't actually have a plan still

[glacial pendant]

Could he be using the Pom 2 to study us?

And make a plan accordingly.

[tall echo]

Like, albrecht figured out that wally is weak to love by accident when we showed up in 1999

[tall echo]

No

[glacial pendant]

Why not?

[tall echo]

He left to 1999 permanently long before we even destroyed the empire

[glacial pendant]

No I mean currently. Our KIM chants. Having a spyware of sorts to collect date to figure out how love works

[tall echo]

He doesn't have access

And he's not that removed from reality, he knows how love works

[glacial pendant]

How do you know? We don't know where he went after and if he perhaps had one installed where ever he is now

[tall echo]

Assumption based on the fact that it's not very important to his attempt at a plan

Dude left 1999 before we could even kick wally out

[glacial pendant]

Yes but he doesn't know how to love others. Considering how everyone close to him feel about him and needing others, needing love to fight the Indifference and the Indifference being according to him atleast a conceptual embodiment of his darker self. Remember how he felt like a nothing, a joke before he went into the void. I think he needs us to him clean up his mess. And that's why he left before we kicked Wally out. Needed us to clean up after him so he can whereever he went next make a plan on how to repaire the damage he has done with his own indifference. For that he needs data.

That data is us

[fast dew]

... Albrecht knows how to love

He struggles to verbally say it, yes

[drowsy saddle]

But does he know what is love?

[fast dew]

But he does genuinely love

[drowsy saddle]

BABY DON'T HURT ME

[fast dew]

Im gonna punt a baby at you.

[drowsy saddle]

Yeet the child

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-lion-king-simba-rafiki-throw-gif-16194362

[fast dew]

I feel as if Albrecht would do that if needed

[pale cedar]

Albrecht don’t care about no children he could barely look after his Daughter

[dark compass]

I need to check myself

[fast dew]

We don't know that! He says self deprecating shit all the time

I fully expect him to believe that, because "he wasn't good enough" all the while he was, he's just not good at acknowledging himself as anything other than bad

[pale cedar]

He calls himself an honest demon yet literally lies to himself and others by saying that

[tall echo]

Loid.

[restive river]

Also
Kalymos

[fast dew]

His daughter too

[restive river]

Point is that he loves

[narrow pendant]

It must be canon that gauss kicks/launches grendel like a socker ball into battle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555123360690995200/1464366765361594579/DUO_EMOTE.gif

[pale cedar]

I hope DE add even more dual animations

[fast dew]

He loves a lot! He is just autistic/traumatised enough so he struggles with visibly showing or saying it, which is normal

[restive river]

Considering this will be in the game
Def feels more canon
But since it’s tied to a deluxe skin, it may be a coinflip unless they’re confirmed to exist designs

[fast dew]

Im just struggling to find more warframes that really go together

[narrow pendant]

there surely will be one for gauss revealed next devstream alongside the model for grendel reveal

[fast dew]

Temple and Octavia?

[restive river]

Octavia and Banshee

[restive river]

Titania and Oberon

[fast dew]

Outside their namesake they are largely unrelated i feel

[pale cedar]

DE can just add lore that says this frame and this other frame are related somehow

[restive river]

It’s a better connection than most lmao

[fast dew]

True

[restive river]

Literally was one of the first suggestions I saw too

[fast dew]

Qorvex and Dante....

[restive river]

Eeeh

[pale cedar]

Limbo and Dante

[fast dew]

Depends if Qorvex was a physical frame

[restive river]

We don’t know if Qorvex existed during the Old War, just that he was designed for us then

Meanwhile Dante’s only connection to the labs is it’s where he died

I could see it but I doubt it atm

[fast dew]

He was connected to Loid! Though, Loid was moreso an observer of Dante and Drusus

[narrow pendant]

i dont even think quorvex was a human it feels more like a purely synthetic frame

similar to the vessels

[restive river]

All we know is he was designed

[restive river]

Those
Were made with human DNA

[fast dew]

He does feel distinctively more brutal than most frames

[narrow pendant]

yes i ment as in a human being wasnt sacrificed for it like the other frames

[fast dew]

Albrecht didn't design Qorvex with aesthetics in mind i feel

[restive river]

Ah
Ye

[restive river]

He wanted a good weapon for us to use

[pale cedar]

I don’t think the design means he isn’t human tbh considering it’s the Infestation’s work

[restive river]

Radiation, for some reason, makes the Murmur upset

[fast dew]

He wanted functionality. And unlike ballas, he doesnt feel the need to gild everything and make it bigger than it needs to be.

[restive river]

Xaku is still very much human despite their uh
Situation

[pale cedar]

Frame design never really stops anyone being a human

[restive river]

Exactly

The infestation does what it will do

[fast dew]

This being said, Albrecht might just suck at design

[pale cedar]

He’s great at stealing things though

[fast dew]

This is directly a chair he designed and.

What the hell.

[woven coyote]

Space for books

Scratch that it's space for magazines while you wait for doctor friday to see you

[pale cedar]

I actually like how it looks

[fast dew]

Yeah, it looks nice

Now imagine sitting on it for hours.

No cushioning at all

[woven coyote]

Perfect for a doctor's office

[strange turtle]

He was clearly in a

Uh

[Insert impractical design furniture style idr them it’s been years since I took DT] mood

[fast dew]

Idk my GP's office is pretty nice n soft

[pale cedar]

Tbh

I’ve sat on wooden chairs for hours just fine

I might just be insane

[fast dew]

You are insane nemesis

Or you just got more muscle on your legs so it doesn't hurt 💔

[strange turtle]

Also nowhere to tuck your legs, and imagine the uncomfortable feeling of the midsection on that specific part of your legs

[woven coyote]

Nah there are good wooden chairs , really depends on their design

[pale cedar]

Maybe it’s my high tolerance for pain kicking in

[fast dew]

Exactly! Where can I tuck my legs when I'm stimming and need to sit still

[woven coyote]

Have sat on poorly designed cushioned chairs where you just wanna throw them in a grinder after 10 minutes

And have comfortably sat on wooden ones for hours like nemesis said

[fast dew]

I would rather die than sit on a wooden chair

[woven coyote]

Really depends on the design

[fast dew]

Never had a comfortable wooden chair experience

Didn't have em in school thankfully

I now get to use soft chairs in college....

[pale cedar]

Time to strap you to a wooden chair

[fast dew]

You've seen what I do to chairs nemesis, I will not hesitate to us myself as a weight this time

[pale cedar]

What if we just have you die on a wooden chair

2 in one

[fast dew]

I refuse to die

Not something I can do, not from lack of trying. Several things certainly did try

[pale cedar]

Time to strap you to a wooden chair

[north jolt]

I kinda feel a similar way about Citrine but I guess its hard to make those specific aesthetic designs feel more "human" especially compared to older frames

Actually I think warframe visual designs broadly fall under two categories
A: guy in a suit

B: "There's a human in there?" (not counting the Tenno)

[ashen pulsar]

body shape can change as frames are created ig

in citrine's case, I feel like a gash down the middle would kinda open up and it would pull back as crystals form

or smth

qorvex makes less sense

[north jolt]

Going back to Citrine, at some point during her design someone had the idea "What if we just scooped out her insides and shoved a bunch of crystals in there?" and Im sure for whoever was forcibly volunteered to be the first Citrine, that was a very pleasant process (more so then becoming a warframe already is at least)

Qorvex got off easy just having some concrete glued on and a nuclear reactor shoved into his chest

[silk atlas]

I severely doubt they shoved crystals in her considering all it takes to get someone frame'd is a serum. More likely her chest and abs collapsed in slowly to fill out with the crystals

[north jolt]

I was being a bit hyperbolic but having crystals form inside your body is still probably very unpleasant ||as anyone who has ever had kidney stones can confirm ||

Caliban and Xaku, despite knowing their origins, also fall into the "there's a human in there?" categories for me

[normal mountain]

I'd be willing to bet Caliban was closer to the "Synthetic" method of creation

Probably used some sort of cloned human as a base

But if not...
That body split from the neck down does NOT look comfortable

[north jolt]

I think past the second generation pretty much all warframes used cloned human bodies as a base for manufacturing. Caliban is unique cause being able to hybridize the helminth AND sentient DNA together is definitely a technological feat even by in universe standards

[silk atlas]

Would a clone really be all that different from just using a normally made human

[north jolt]

Other then being faster and cheaper then finding volunteers? probably not

[silk atlas]

Especially in WF's setting?

[normal mountain]

Possibly
Depends on how much the mind was developed

[north jolt]

Like if they do use cloned humans for making warframes I doubt the clones ever actually get to experience their own life. They're just grown in a lab, matured into adulthood (rapidly, possibly), kept in stasis until needed then injected with the Helminth. Least that's my head cannon

[normal mountain]

But really, I brought up the clone bit because I don't think the Sentients of Tau would have approved a human experiment during the Old Peace times
It's always possible, I just find it unlikely

[silk atlas]

It's not like they stopped just dragging people out the streets to make more.

[north jolt]

Its going to be piloted by a tenno anyways so they don't REALLY need any mental development (though apparently some kind of "ancestral memory" from the originals persist)

[normal mountain]

That's pretty much what I was thinking too

[silk atlas]

Yeah they don't need it but also the Orokin didn't care anyway, else they would've just started with clones

[north jolt]

Actually isn't that basically how it works with Grineer now? they're just grown and fully matured in the pods and brought out as needed?

Maybe a compounding factor on their generational decrease in intelligence?

[normal mountain]

Who says they didn't, once Transference became the normal piloting method?

After all, Warframes were originally meant to be warriors who kept their sanity, but that didn't work

But once the Tenno are in the picture, there's really no reason to keep sacrificing ordinary soldiers and people to make more Warframes

[lunar lake]

As much we hate the corpus they're the best to fight the infestation

[north jolt]

I mean most of their weapons do deal slash don't they?

[lunar lake]

They also have robotics and cures

[pale cedar]

The Infestation can literally hack their moas

[lunar lake]

I mean yes but the research of alad v exists

So I am sure they'll figure something out

[north jolt]

But Grineer also have lots of fire and bombs and chemicals

[pale cedar]

Murmur are the best faction to fight Infestation because Wally literally gave them PTSD

[normal mountain]

Which only worked with the potential clone-rot cure from Tyl Regor
Otherwise, Alad would still be Infested

[ocean geyser]

Even then he still sorta is

[normal mountain]

And even then, pretty sure that was a one-time deal

[ocean geyser]

Purple scar on his cheek

[lunar lake]

He would be infested but we put him down

[ocean geyser]

Huh

[lunar lake]

Last I checked but the corpus still have his research

[ocean geyser]

He’s still around yknow

Well, at least up until new war

We’re not sure about any point afterwords

[pale cedar]

He’s alive after New War

[ocean geyser]

Oh fr?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[lunar lake]

He cured himself

[north jolt]

Sad news

[normal mountain]

Yep
Assume he's alive until we see a corpse

[lunar lake]

Alad V can cure the infection apparently

[north jolt]

Inb4 he becomes a cephalon

[pale cedar]

Alad was controlling a fleet he wasn’t on Veso’s ship

[normal mountain]

At that point, Alad is dead
And whatever his Cephalon name is will replace him

[silk atlas]

Who's to say they did is the thing.

And they never said "soldiers" when making the extra Warframes, so they would've just been snagging whoever they felt were "the greatest" to keep making more Warframes along with possibly using Foundries to print more

Roathe's gang made it clear they still kept turning "regular" people into Warframes

[lunar lake]

Tyl Regor made the infestation cure I thought?

[silk atlas]

No he wasn't doing anything with the Infested

He was trying to clear up clone rot.

[normal mountain]

okay, first off, please say something like this BEFORE we get to this far into the discussion
it doesn't feel great to develop an idea that makes sense, and then have it shut down at the eleventh hour by something that could have easily been brought up right from the start

[pale cedar]

Roathe also makes it even clearer that if the Orokin want a specific frame they can get a specific frame made so all the people asking how Harrow Proto makes sense got their answer

[lunar lake]

Yeah that's right it has been awhile since I did his mission

[silk atlas]

I only remember Roathe being a thing now

And even then, that still went back to my previous statement of "they kept dragging people out the streets to make more Warframes"

I just found an actual example of it instead of me just going bro trust me

[normal mountain]

Just doesn't make sense to me, but fine

[pale cedar]

Why not?

[lunar lake]

Are we sure the corpus aren't the future for humanity because then you get a kid whose powers literally scare the infected away

From a corpus colony

[strange turtle]

…Arlo?

[normal mountain]

Because why grab people off the street when you can grow them specifically for Warframe purposes?

[strange turtle]

Oh wait no you mean the Glast Gambit quest

[normal mountain]

It just doesn't make sense!

[silk atlas]

Because the Orokin didn't care. They had a habit of "singling people out" with how much Yonta fears being picked during the symposiums.

[lunar lake]

Glast Gambit the little girl was infected slightly

In that mission

But her infection kept many people safe

[strange turtle]

Yeah that wasn’t a Corpus specific thing the Myconans just had that

[normal mountain]

You mean because they're idiots
Got it

[silk atlas]

It's not meant to be entirely rational. The constant fearmongering also helps boost the Orokin's status as being all-powerful and untouchable.

[lunar lake]

Myconans and their genetics might be the future for humanity

[normal mountain]

On that note, I think I'm done for now

[lunar lake]

The orokin feared the corpus

Corpus were such a threat to their plan

[pale cedar]

They didn’t

They literally let Corpus do their own thing for a bit

[lunar lake]

They became a shadow organization that were a later a threat

They filled a power vacuum

[pale cedar]

It was Parvos that was a concern not Corpus as a whole

[lunar lake]

They were middle classed amongst the orokin empire

[pale cedar]

And still not a concern for blue people

[strange turtle]

There were already middle classes

[lunar lake]

Now they probably are

They got rich though once the main leaders of the orokin disappeared

[pale cedar]

Corpus and Grineer are always evenly matched because Corpus are better at building than actually leading

And the fact Corpus sell to Grineer

[lunar lake]

Corpus sell to anyone that can make them a profit

[strange turtle]

Well yes, now they obviously would be when they’ve had a thousand years of development, expansion and experience and their Orokin opposition are…

A family who don’t care about bringing back the empire, and a single other guy who also isn’t particularly interested or able to that

[pale cedar]

Then there’s Worm who does

[lunar lake]

Grineer are just going insane with the worm queen

She lost her mind

[pale cedar]

They aren’t going insane with the Worm Queen

They’re given orders they follow

They don’t care about if it’s an insane order or not

[lunar lake]

From a mad queen the grineer might start losing

[pale cedar]

Well they clearly aren’t

They’re still evenly matched

And that’s the point

[lunar lake]

With her experiments of making immortals essentially

It might make them stronger

[pale cedar]

Nah because the 3 factions we see most all have a Lich variant

[lunar lake]

Ah yes

[jaunty siren]

the idea of a xaku protoframe is so grotesque but imo it can be made right in duviri

wait this isn't the right discord but eh whatever

[pale cedar]

It doesn’t need Duviri

[lunar lake]

Just the void

[silk atlas]

Not even that, Xaku is a frame they have and they can just serum it after.

[pale cedar]

You can just have the base variant from the initial accident cloned upgraded and given gold

[restive river]

I heard Xaku

[fast dew]

Summoned like a demon

[lilac aspen]

No need to overcomplicate how some frames get primed or how some Protos would come to be

[restive river]

I feel like they’re not really as big of an issue as people think nor would they require Duviri or the Void

If we can replicate Xaku in the foundry and the Orokin found a way to prime them then a Protoframe isn’t really that complicated

[fast dew]

I do think DE will just generally avoid it bcs. I dont think they like writing hard things sometimes

I genuinely hope that theres no more protos tbh

Boring and a cash grab atp

[restive river]

The frame parts that would slowly appear and grow on them would def be weird and play into the body horror we constantly are already looking at, the most curious thing would be how they approach their 4 which could be in a lot of ways

[restive river]

There will most likely be more

Also hard disagree on “boring” and “cash grab”

They’re literally some of the most interesting and in depth set of skins we’ve ever had lmao

[fast dew]

Ehh. Yku gonna tell me there wasn't a money incentive over these last protos?

That they're not giga rushed?

[restive river]

You’re gonna tell me there wasn’t a money incentive for the initial protos or literally all skins ever?

[fast dew]

Like. I'll be honest, they're getting boring man

Oh cool Albrecht did this again whats new

[fast dew]

Yeah but its getting more blatant now
-# marie.

[normal mountain]

Oh cool, Ballas did a new Prime again what's new

[restive river]

I do agree they should slow down like
a lot with the protoframes but the amount of time and care that goes into them (even the rushed ones) is more than any other skin in the game

[restive river]

It was blatant since Arthur.

[ocean geyser]

They’re just going to have to be careful with how often they do iy

3 protoframe batches in a row makes it feel like they’re trying to milk it

[oblique basin]

1000% agree 😅

[restive river]

I think they should stick to 2 or even go down to 1 eventually

[pale cedar]

They already said they aren’t adding more unless it makes sense to add

[ocean geyser]

Especially with how the devil’s triad was basically shoehorned in

[restive river]

I get why they want them in groups but I’d be fine with some solo ones that maybe get expanded on, very slowly, as their group expands

[restive river]

They were def forced into the update early on to the point they couldn’t be delayed even though they needed to be

[fast dew]

Thing is, primes generally don't have lore implications. The gimmick continues to be cool and its a standard now, but. There is a difference between that and forcing things into the story (the triad and Albrecht randomly neglecting to mention his time in France for 3 WHOLE YEARS)

[restive river]

Like we needed vendors for the new stuff, sure but
Damn

[ocean geyser]

Realistically we could have had a room where the refractory was and just have Loid and the Lotus be there

[restive river]

Don’t they literally mention his sabbatical

[fast dew]

Would I be upset at a loid proto? No, not really, id say rn it makes a lot of sense for him to get infested and inject himself to save himself

[restive river]

Loid already functions as a Vendor and Mom’s purpose likely isn’t finished

[oblique basin]

Just feels like everything is crammed into the KIM system so everything can be done in writing

[ocean geyser]

Man

[oblique basin]

There is in the Sanctum, but it's literally useless
I don't know why you can't access the Dark Refractory there

[fast dew]

No i mean like. Before the triad, bcs at least the other protos had room to exist and could've just been made after he left for 1999 permanently

[restive river]

A Tauron hub within our memories woulda made more sense maybe, in hindsight

[pale cedar]

DE should just add more Grimoires digital Grimoires are overrated

[restive river]

Wdym exactly?

[ocean geyser]

Next grimoire should just be a dictionary

[pale cedar]

A Void dictionary

[fast dew]

In his notes! I dont like how he just never mentions his time in France. 3 whole years. And he never mentions it, which adds to the whole aspect of the triad being shoehorned into the story for the sake of having more protos

Not to really add extra lore. They do that, sure but I genuinely do feel that they just wanted more protos

Lore being a bonus n all

[restive river]

Oh I had figured his time in Gaul was after 1999

[restive river]

Def was the case too

[pale cedar]

Or maybe you just didn’t collect the right book

I have his time in France in mine

[fast dew]

Nah. Couldn't be, couldnt leave without the coffin thing, barely could leave 1999 w out exploding something. I believe that he did this after the hex but before the coffin was broken

[restive river]

Idek what he would have said in his notes about Gaul, he was there to rest lol
The real issue here is that they opened the door for him going to an untold amount of xx99s which isn’t mentioned anywhere

[restive river]

I’ll reiterate that idk what he would have talked about
But also
After 1999 he leaves somehow, we don’t know how

Like we literally do not know when or where he is and the coffin is gone

[fast dew]

Yeah, but we still gotta wonder how he got out of xx99, they dont even have electricity dawg

Which. Is a bit odd for 1899, but they could just be rural

[restive river]

Roathe figured out how to get out with blood

Infested blood but

Point is I don’t think we know how limited he is

[fast dew]

It was helminth that allowed it, Albrecht can push people through it but I dont think he can do it himself

[restive river]

That’s not what I’m saying

[pale cedar]

DE give us an earlier year Albrecht went to, I want to find a Dinosaur that was turned into a Warframe

[restive river]

Albrecht somehow is getting around
I’ll say again that his time in Gaul just didn’t seem like something he’d necessarily write about and the real issue is the other times he likely went to aren’t mentioned at all

[fast dew]

Im saying that its just. Odd. He mentioned his time in Duviri, which was practically the same shit as what he did in xx99

[pale cedar]

All I could see him writing is I was a priest

I did priest things

I ran away

[restive river]

Duviri is far more worth writing about but ok

[fast dew]

Its weird prioritising from Albrecht that doesnt really match how he does things

[fast dew]

And do you think the time he spent trying to figure out how to redeem himself wasn't important?

[restive river]

The other thing is just
He may have gone to xx99 after 1999, meaning it wasn’t in his notes

[fast dew]

I dont think he could

I think removing the importance of the usage of the reactor is a bad idea

[restive river]

It’s important but I doubt he wrote down everything important for us to find

We do not even know the plan

[pale cedar]

He probably did write it down

Just not in the books we found

[fast dew]

He needed whatever the hell the reactor did to leave without the coffin, and i dont logically see how that could be easier in xx99

[restive river]

That depends on how the reactor is helping him
Is it propelling him from 1999 to wherever he’s going or is it propelling him from the loop he was stuck in?

[fast dew]

Ehh? If he is going to tau from it, it probably was just both. And im not sure how affected he is from the loop, as we the drifter aren't particularly effected

I feel as if removing the point of him being desperate enough to use the reactor to leave, would be a cop out and remove the whole point of it

[restive river]

See I’m still not sold on that’s how he got to Tau

If that’s all the power that’s needed then why did Grandma need to chomp out the entire sun?

[fast dew]

I don't think he's at tau either but I do think he's in current day Warframe. Just hiding

[restive river]

There’s also the whole thing of
We stopped the reactor from blowing

We got control of the loop back and bro dipped

[fast dew]

There's energy there, just. Not full on nuke

[restive river]

We still don’t know how he made the loop

[fast dew]

I was wondering if he was gonna use whats it called. Corium?

[pale cedar]

His VA before Tennocon 2025 said he wasn’t in Origin System

[restive river]

Or how it’s being retained

[fast dew]

His Va aint gonna be saying major lore shit, as funny as that would be

[restive river]

Him just finding a way to hop across time to keep running from Wally would make sense

[restive river]

Ok but that’s something that’s said at tennocon, it does carry some weight

[fast dew]

I... would be saying this very reluctantly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isnt in some. Weird void pocket dimension

[fast dew]

It was before tennocon, as nemesis said at least

[restive river]

They are just using Albrecht as mr. mcguffin man
Thing needs to happen?
Albrecht

[restive river]

Wasn’t it at tennocon?

Regardless he would have a better idea than most, not the full picture by any means ofc

[fast dew]

Im going off what nemesis says 😭

Also does that not exclude him being in any xx99s? Those are in the origin system

[restive river]

No…

Origin System is specifically the present, the time of the Tenno

[fast dew]

They're. In the origin system though?

Thats. They're the same place

[restive river]

xx99 and 1999 are times treated like other places

[fast dew]

I. I hate that. So much.

[restive river]

Yes Thomas I’m aware

[fast dew]

Shit is genuinely making me upset

[wind ruin]

People think Drifter doesn't have void powers. Drifter does have void powers. Drifter just didn't notice they had them because if you're a hydrokinetic fish living in water, you don't see that you're controlling the current.

[restive river]

It’s the same space but due to not being the same time they’re different

[fast dew]

But its the same place!

[restive river]

Drifter didnt get void powers til the New War tho

[fast dew]

If i said my home is in this solar system, it doesn't stop being there 5 minutes after

[restive river]

Like they were brought in on that part of the deal, of having a piece of Wally then

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-meme-cat-meme-gif-21336536

[restive river]

Literally just think of these times as places

It also simplifies things a lot, yes they technically would take place in the Origin System it isn’t yet known as the Origin System

Though if you really wanted to get into semantics they aren’t even spatially the same either

[fast dew]

But they're not i don't. I dont get it. That's not how it works. They're not different places its the same earth through it all

I hate it.

[restive river]

It is a different place

[fast dew]

Its not. Its not its still the same rock, its moved but its the same planet

[wind ruin]

Drifter thinks they didn't get void powers until after New War. Drifter had void powers all the time. "Begin Again!"

[restive river]

And yet we have different places here throughout time on Earth
Places that are both different and the dame

[restive river]

They never got void powers though, Wally didn’t save them

[silk atlas]

That wasn't Void powers, that was part of Duviri. We know Drifter didn't have Void powers even in the first bits of TNW when you play as them

The hand shake with Operator later in TNW is explicitly what gives them Void powers

[restive river]

Heck they don’t even utilize the time powers until 1999

[pale cedar]

While I was looking for Albrecht’s message on where he’s gone I had to see Dseige being dumb 3 times

[restive river]

You poor soul…

[fast dew]

I will blame the random ass roathe misinformation on Dseige as a way to cope

Alternatively just blame whoever you don't like and think are dumb enough to do this

[restive river]

Tuvul…

[fast dew]

To blame Ballas for whatever reason lmao

Tuvul gotta be a hater somehow...

[pale cedar]

he said Old Peace was impossible

Said Lore doesn’t matter anymore because Eternalism

And there was one more I can’t refind but that’s probably for the best

Dseige confirmed he doesn’t even care about the lore lol

[fast dew]

[restive river]

“Lore doesn’t matter anymore because Eternalism”

[pale cedar]

It shows once again how people should stop taking his info seriously

There’s people who rank him as the second best loretuber somehow

[lilac aspen]

Roathe really is DE’s “Listen here you little shit.”

[restive river]

He def exists to shut down, bring up new and acknowledge preexisting theories

[pale cedar]

Because of it you now have a ton of people just saying Roathe is wrong

[wind ruin]

"Eternalism" is just one part of the Palimpsest of Space-Time. A conceptual foundation for the core thesis of 'Events can be overwritten; traces of the original remain.'

[humble sierra]

What does the text in the middle say? The character on his chest? I'm pretty sure the bottom says "BELIEVE"

[fast dew]

I don't think thats a character, thats just a double helix I think? its like. Supposed to be DNA i feel

Also apparently he didn't make those, so. Thats interesting. No clue where I heard it from but ye

[humble sierra]

It's reminiscent of the font in the Sacrifice tablet

[fast dew]

It kinda is but it wouldnt make sense for it to be there

[humble sierra]

It could be a symbol someone associated with him

[fast dew]

There's a kalymos decal somewhere and its "i have seen the cat" or smthn and i think thats awesome

[humble sierra]

Turns out it's Follie's Protoframe doing all these tags and turning Rusalka into an anime girl propaganda piece

[restive river]

It’s a genetic helix
He’s the main dude touting a cure for the worst disease ever

[wind ruin]

Remember, that's what Albrecht "Dr. Friday" Entrati said he was doing and there was... sort of... proof it was working for a while, too; inoculating people against the Technocyte... by infecting them with a different variant of the Technocyte.

[fast dew]

Her and Yareli would get along then
-# I feel as if street artists and skaters are linked

[fast dew]

The "cure" was a vaccine wasn't it? Not the helminth injection. It just made em asymptomatic to it. Which lead to them transferring it again and again

[wind ruin]

It wasn't a vaccine. It was a different strain of the Technocyte, turning people into 'silent carriers' of the virus.

[fast dew]

Can I get a source on that one, bcs iirc it was just a random vaccine

[wind ruin]

Albrecht called it a vaccine. The Hex believed it was a vaccine. It was not a vaccine.

[fast dew]

Thats.

[wind ruin]

Albrecht. Lied.

[fast dew]

Not a source homie

[wind ruin]

Go into Lettie's dialog in KIM

[ocean geyser]

Which one lmao

[fast dew]

Im asking you to go and get that

As you're the one making the claim

[wind ruin]

|| Lettie: {P1} But the best lies are the ones you want to believe, ¿verdad? {P2} We had no cure for this disease except a dance with La Flaca {P3} But here he comes {P4} Doktor F and his magical bag of miracles will cure what ails you {P5} Saying he can fix it all with his medicina milagrosa
Lettie: {P1} And we bought it como una bola de mensos {P2} And when the ICR stomps its feet and says "nonono, you cannot help him distribute his drug" should have listened {P3} Vaccines come from scientists not an old man in some ugly-ass trench coat {P4} Selling lies like some old world snake oil {P5} But people are dying all around you? {P6} You help him anyway because you signed up to HELP people
Lettie: {P1} So we helped him inject the people of this city with his drug {P2} Lined them up in our tents and that cabrön and I shot them full of it one after another {P3} And the others kept the operation safe while we worked
Lettie: {P1} NOSOTROS CREÍMOS EN ÉL {P2} We trusted him {P3} ¿Y por tan poco? {P4} It seemed like it was working {P5} The people we were shooting up weren't getting sick {P6} The problem...?
Lettie: {P1} Everybody around them WAS {P2} Do you know what "silent carriers" are? {P3} Volunteered in an animal shelter one summer cuando estaba chiquita {P4} Had all these raccoons {P5} Couldn't release them, because they might be silent carriers of rabies {P6} THEY looked healthy, seemed healthy, seemed normal...||

[fast dew]

This... doesnt suggest that it was any form of technocyte? Silent carriers don't usually get the disease from the vaccine tbh

[wind ruin]

Unless it's not a vaccine. But a live strain of the virus.

[fast dew]

Which. Is a vaccine.

Thats like

[wind ruin]

A live strain vaccine does not cause other people to get sick. Because the virus has been carefully crippled to not spread to other people. That's why Lettie is pissed. Entrati really was spreading the technocyte via silent carriers.

[fast dew]

Polio.

Polio had a vaccine that did exactly that, got folk sick.

Lettie should know that silent carriers are absolutely a side effect of vaccines.

[wind ruin]

And Albrecht didn't have the skill to create a true vaccine for the Technocyte? With all his study of it, the Helminth, the Grey Strain...?

It was deliberate.

[silk atlas]

It's not like there's been any other attempts to make a vaccine against Infested mentioned before this anyw- Wait a minute how did we get Alad V out of that

Oh wait he just gets a cure somehow in the Grineer labs

[fast dew]

... how would you stop something that infests with spores?

Albrecht's research was based on ballas'

Also, the helminth is far more tame compared to the techrot.

[fast dew]

Salad V moment™

[fast dew]

Like i genuinely do not think Albrecht did this deliberately

He genuinely thought he was healing

And in a way, it did work

If everyone had the vaccine, logically noone would be symptomatic

[hazy prism]

is this in the wiki? also did they mean to write Entrati and not Ballas?

[fast dew]

Mhm, official wiki, and. Yea I guess???

[wind ruin]

Entrati is suspiciously infestation free. And there wasn't an outbreak of the Infestation in 1899 when he went back to it, so he's not a carrier either.

[fast dew]

Yeah so. That doesnt mean much???

Theres the idea that he is just that void saturated that the infestation struggles around him

You might not like Albrecht but don't try and pull bullshit out like that

[drowsy saddle]

Plenty of reasons to dislike Albrecht, no need to make one up

[lilac aspen]

“Struggle”
More like afraid of him because of that void saturation

[drowsy saddle]

He's got that 3000 rotgen void blunt

[lilac aspen]

Infested took one sniff of him and smelled the Void “Aura”

[drowsy saddle]

The infestation and its relationship to the void is complex

[brittle siren]

Or he just built different

[maiden verge]

spoiling for KIM convo || actually really respect DE for giving us the ability to disable talking about self harm with Lyon. really really commendable. it doesnt bother me at all but i genuinely think its sweet they included it for people who are triggered by it ||

makes me tear up honestly.

[golden raptor]

did operators use amps during the old war? or is that a new invention?

[waxen mesa]

They used amps. I'm pretty sure

[kind stump]

how does onkko get the mote amp 🤔

[restive river]

Probably the Unum

[humble sierra]

||You use one in Old Peace|| and I think there's a line with Varzia where she mentions it

[stray herald]

Sad lad V

[fast dew]

Albrecht Entrati has this ONE (1) trick that the infestation doesnt want you to know !!!! [[Techrotfree/Entrati.höl]]

or whatever

[swift sentinel]

When do you use one in ||The Old Peace?||

[humble sierra]

Operator has it equipped, there's no lines about it but considering you have forced loadouts in other sections it makes sense

[empty terrace]

I just wanna control big mech like Adis. C'mon give me my Evangelion

[strange turtle]

He could also just have. Taken it himself

[fast dew]

True, thats what I do prefer

[fast dew]

We have the vessels, but we dont use them yet

[narrow pendant]

i just realized we havnt seen albrechts helminth in the sanctum yet

[fast dew]

Because he probably avoided using it in the sanctum. Its probably the one in the backrooms

[pale cedar]

His lab has infinite rooms which means there could be a Helminth in Sanctum

[fast dew]

Id think its safer to keep it in 1999, over bringing it to the labs, which are mostly sterile from the infestation

[blissful merlin]

Lowkey hope we get to customize a vessel or something lmao. Like I’m hoping they’ll be a summoning vehicle type…doubt it. BUT ITD BE SO COOL

[fast dew]

Mm. 4th operator ability.......

[pale cedar]

There’s only a 4th slot because Drifter

Give me a 4th slot nuke DE so I can test what happens if a nuke hits a bomb that must go off

[restive river]

Give me requiem magicks

Let me mix and match to make neat effects

[narrow pendant]

how would vessels even fit in any current tilesets 😭

[restive river]

They wouldn’t
They’d be for something else

[narrow pendant]

it would have to be for specific modes like perita end arenas

[strange turtle]

Fighting giant Murmurs on big slabs of Voidcrete

[narrow pendant]

i hope they will atleast play better than those boring doom dark ages mechs..

[fast dew]

Dont you shit on the mechs

Altans are sick as hell

[narrow pendant]

blandest combat ever mechanically

[fast dew]

I could say that about eternal, but it would get me shot

[narrow pendant]

as someone who has found even faster "boomer shooters" that i prefer over eternal...

[fast dew]

Eternal is dogshit lmao

I will stand on it

[narrow pendant]

turbo overkill oh how much i love you

[fast dew]

The mechs are at least innovative, regardless on how you feel about the fighting aspect

I like the dragon segments too

[restive river]

Warframe

[narrow pendant]

john vessel

imagine if they end up moving just as fast as in whispers

[restive river]

Lmao

[pale cedar]

I just imagine a Vessel landing like how a frame does on Tau

[narrow pendant]

me when i get my hands on wally (real time speed)

[restive river]

That’s mean (to the car, you can punch wally)

[jaunty siren]

when you think about it The Old Peace was really about framing in a war

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-uncanny-cat-cat-horror-cinema-uncanny-gif-12517324166462510331

[woven coyote]

Unless rebb played bayonetta recently and we get to summon just arms and legs

[fast dew]

I would not mind a bayonetta reference somewhere in warframe tbh

[narrow pendant]

some of the melee movesets are outragious enough to be in bayonetta were missing a midair downwards akimbo downspiral thats all

[pale cedar]

What if the Vessel just crouches to fit

[lilac aspen]

Vessel rolling and sliding to attack

[pale cedar]

I think DE would still have to make the sky barrier higher but one issue I see is the fact it was made to fight someone Wally sized

DE make some super tall enemies

More Hunhulis type things

[lilac aspen]

DE make the Giga-Clem

[pale cedar]

Hunhulis vs Vessel would be an entertaining fight

Missed opportunity

[narrow pendant]

"your weakness.. is love" hunhullus x vessel kiss scene plays

absolute cinema

[pale cedar]

I wonder if Albrecht is the reason Hunhulis was even able to be made

[drowsy saddle]

The true purpose of the vessels, to smooch wally

[lilac aspen]

Wally gets loved
Dies with a smile

The kiss kills them

[narrow pendant]

maybe the warframe is the protoframes we've laid -drifter

[lilac aspen]

“Maybe the true Warframe were the people I laid along the way.” -Drifter

“Maybe the true Warframe were the friends I killed along the way.” -Operator

[narrow pendant]

while operator remains even more traumatized than ever

end of evangelion scene plays with the vessels in the horizon and operator choking drifter

[pale cedar]

Operator going to modern Tau
Emotional damage

Drifter going to modern Tau
Oh, so this is what I almost got to before a Wall man so cool

[narrow pendant]

drifter just looking for a sentient to date

[pale cedar]

The Harem expands

[restive river]

Caliban Protoframe when

[rose estuary]

Probably when we go to tau idk

[pale cedar]

Nah

DE aren’t adding anymore unless it makes sense to add which because we already fought a prime Caliban adding a base in 2026 don’t make sense yet

[lilac aspen]

The Drifter must rizz
A Scaldra
A techrot
An infested
A Sentient
A corpus
And a Grineer
Before we can rizz the Wally

The Seven Hearts of Love (if we include drifter’s)
…
Wait

[pale cedar]

Then one from one of the 6 main syndicates

[drowsy saddle]

With our powers combined

[turbid merlin]

TFW You find a new Warfarme lore channel but the voiceover is obviously AI and the script itself sounds like AI too...

[pale cedar]

What?

[turbid merlin]

"That Feel When"

It is a feeling of disappointment.

Er... Youtube Channel.

[pale cedar]

So what AI you talking about?

[turbid merlin]

Generative AI.

The stuff that's on the news all the time.

Super controversial.

[pale cedar]

Yeah, but what AI have you found?

[turbid merlin]

I found a new Warframe Lore youtube channel and was excited, but then I realized the voiceover was AI, which is annoying, and then I realized the script was probably written by AI as well because of the sentence structuer and mannerisms, which is just like... why even bother at that point?

[pale cedar]

Is it Revantx?

[turbid merlin]

Never heard of them

[pale cedar]

They have an AI Cephalon Voice

[turbid merlin]

Ah, ok, well no. It wasn't.

[pale cedar]

I wouldn’t recommend most loretubers in general tbh

They often get stuff wrong

[turbid merlin]

That does seem to be the case, but then again, so do most people.

[pale cedar]

Stallord the most popular of them tried saying Albrecht went to Duviri before Dtifter despite how little sense that makes

Is the reason you have people saying Lotus had a deal to move the moon despite his little evidence there is for this

Is the reason we have Oro constantly brought up despite how irrelevant it is to the lore

And is the reason there’s people who think the Grineer female soldiers are treated better than male

Getting things wrong every now and then is fine but in a video called Everything we know it’s not good to say things we literally don’t know

[storm garden]

Oro? That stuff you picked up in Conclave?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[turbid merlin]

I mean, it makes sense to try to tie them into the lore I guess.

But we don't actually have any canon way to do that, so speculation is the only option.

[storm garden]

I think even Aya has more fleshed out background than Oro.

[turbid merlin]

yeah

[pale cedar]

Oro is mentioned twice ever

[turbid merlin]

OH wait, AYa, not Ayatans.

[pale cedar]

Aya and Ayatans are connected

[storm garden]

"Orokin sequencing medium" I think Varzia calls it

[turbid merlin]

Yeah, but Warfighter said Aya, and I was thinking of Ayatans.

[pale cedar]

Ayatans are what Orokin stored their memory with using Aya

Back to Oro

Oro was mentioned twice first was Teshin saying it’s what the enemy who like the Tenno can survive and second time 10 years later was Albrecht basically dismissing the idea of Oro except for his cat because his cat must have it

[storm garden]

Ohh, so it's something that allows regular mortals (not Tenno/Orokin) to revive after death?
Or how I understand it at least

Could it just be leftover lore from before Kuva was introduced? Since the Grineer Queen showed that Kuva does work on non-Orokin.
Unless the Queen herself was Orokin...?

[fast dew]

She was! Both queens are lol

They were outcasted by the orokin for being twins

[storm garden]

Ohh, I see.
It's been a while since I completed War Within.

[fast dew]

Oro is basically another word for Soul

Or the concept of a soul

Thats what it seems to be

[pale cedar]

It’s very old lore that shouldn’t really be taken seriously nowadays

[fast dew]

Vague spiritual shit

[ocean geyser]

They’re just Grineer because they’ve had to use clone bodies to keep themselves alive

[fast dew]

Tbf so are the emperors

[drowsy saddle]

Where are the emperors

And can we farm them for loot

[ocean geyser]

I think we did that already

[pale cedar]

I sent them to the Deimos burial vaults

[ocean geyser]

Man
Ballas dropped some mid loot

[fast dew]

Albrecht's family collecting their bones for some reason

[ocean geyser]

We can’t even use his staff to shoot lasers

[fast dew]

The entrati family and their bones smh

[ocean geyser]

Best one can do is use it to give the Helminth glasses

[pale cedar]

Research

[ocean geyser]

Random mention: i love how Entrati tech is clunkier compared to the rest of the Orokin’s
Like they don’t really care about it being seamless or graceful

Just whatever gets the job done

[drowsy saddle]

Is it tho?

[fast dew]

Nah, its their own distinctive style

[drowsy saddle]

Cause albrecht didn't have to Gild everything in his own custom crypto token

[fast dew]

They are Gothic, in comparison to the orokin

[fast dew]

It might be a sensory thing?

Idk he might just really like circles

I do, but its bcs of obols

[ocean geyser]

Entrati tech makes more noise than Tenno or Orokin tech
So yes

[fast dew]

Circle lattice... iuh...

[fast dew]

Yeah because they're not made of meat 😭

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht's tism required non meat based technology

[fast dew]

The entrati stuff doesnt seem to be made of meat like most orokin tech has a history of being

[jolly root]

His is more tech mixed with bio then ballas having meat golems

[fast dew]

We've figured out what pizza he eats, and its a veggie pizza.

He might just not. Like meat

Which. .. is kinda ironic

For. Reasons.

[drowsy saddle]

It's either tism or trauma from being flayed alive by the edge of reality

[fast dew]

I for one really like meat but hate anything with bones

[ocean geyser]

Yeah I’m just trying to point out that Orokin tech is quieter, or uses perpetual motion or whatnot

Because the Orokin’s stupid ass ego goes into the technology they surround themselves with
Meanwhile the Entrati couldn’t care less if their door makes 2 decibels higher of noise

[fast dew]

Its predominantly tech, only really the vessels have meat

[drowsy saddle]

Tbh it being louder probably helped drown out the whispers

[jolly root]

So steam punk vs sci fi

[ocean geyser]

The rising pillars in Orokin Towers just make a soft whooshing noise when they open
But if the Entrati made the same damn thing you would probably hear the gears

[ocean geyser]

Essentially yes

[fast dew]

He might just like the sound...

[ocean geyser]

Valid

[jolly root]

I thought the mechs looked steampunkish

[fast dew]

The necramechs arent even his

Thats Vilcor's, but it is funny that you say that

[jolly root]

It might be ego as well for the orokin they want to be perfect

[jolly root]

Yeah but they look steampunk to me

Whos vilcor?

[drowsy saddle]

Father

The dude missing an arm

[jolly root]

Ah thanks

[fast dew]

||Vilcor's [Father] original name is Petros Vorten. The last name is interesting because thats a name mentioned in the Gyre deluxe's items descriptions. Vortengeist.||

[drowsy saddle]

The guy who makes a metal gear reference

[jolly root]

So not albrects but one of the family

[jolly root]

I laughed when i saw that

[fast dew]

Its just. Really funny that you see them as steam punk, when he might deadass be related to the closest thing we have to steampunk in wf

[fast dew]

Yeah, Father's side is responsible for the Necramechs, Albrecht's side is responsible for the void tech

[drowsy saddle]

Who knows, maybe dapper victorian protoframes

Albrecht does have an interest in trains....

[jolly root]

Id be fine with it

[fast dew]

I just want a loid proto 💔

Im delusional about it

[ocean geyser]

What would Loid even be

[fast dew]

... limbo

[ocean geyser]

Understandable

[jolly root]

🤣

[fast dew]

Look at limbo prime, and look at loid

The name even matches

[pale cedar]

Loidbo

[fast dew]

The mucking abilities even somewhat match what loid has gone through

[jolly root]

Yep

[fast dew]

Im

Im normal

[jolly root]

Sure

[fast dew]

His glasses can replace the hat animation....

[ocean geyser]

Or loid gets his own animations

Depends on if he gets the hat

[fast dew]

The size change can be excused by him possibly getting infested by the grey strain (from being up on deimos w the family) and needing to save himself with a protoframe serum.....

Ive thought about this a lot

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[ocean geyser]

Loid of unusual height

[fast dew]

Doubt me all you want, I was right about the loid kimchat

I based that shit off a lack of a pixel next to a profile image

Do not test me i will violently shake and explode

[ocean geyser]

Soda can behaviour

[fast dew]

Nah, its really anxious big dog behaviour

[ocean geyser]

😔

[fast dew]

Ive had a dog give himself a heart attack bcs of grass man

Big dogs are sometimes the most anxious bastards

[ocean geyser]

Grass?? 😭

[fast dew]

He was weirdly scared of grass man 😭 great Danes are sooks

[jolly root]

I saw a great dane run from a leaf

[fast dew]

I think he maybe thought he saw a snake??? (in winter, my ass lmao)

[jolly root]

I can tell

[drowsy saddle]

Big animals are the most easily frightened because they operate on the assumption that anything willing to fight them must have some secret to winning

[fast dew]

Albrecht kinda reminds me of a great dane

[jolly root]

Yep

Loid is a borzoi

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[fast dew]

YES

[jolly root]

Amir is a pomeranian

A hyper pomeranian

[dark compass]

i can relate lately

[fast dew]

Mm, I feel as if Eleanor is like. Hh. Think thomas

[ocean geyser]

Eleanor aint even a dog

She’d be something else entirely i think

[drowsy saddle]

She's a cat

[jolly root]

Yeah good point

[ocean geyser]

Yuh

[fast dew]

Yeah, shes a cat

[dark compass]

judging by her voice actress, she is a mind flayer parasite

[fast dew]

Black cat.......

[jolly root]

Salem is her kim name so fits

[fast dew]

I cannot count how many black cats ive met called Salem

[jolly root]

Well black cats =witch so salem

[dark compass]

canon

the kavat interaction confirms it

[jolly root]

🤣

[fast dew]

What. What is a masculine black cat name.... because Eleanor and Arthur are twins...

[dark compass]

salem is unisex, no?

[jolly root]

Ive heard.scar for one but he was an a hole

[fast dew]

Ive never seen a male black cat. I dont.... not a named one

[dark compass]

i had one

[fast dew]

Wait what am I on about

My sister had one

His name is Leo ...

[waxen mesa]

why did Nef want to turn on the coolant tower?

[jolly root]

If i remember right it might be a female dominant gene

[waxen mesa]

isn't Venus being overcooled at the time of Vox Solaris?

[jolly root]

Investors

[waxen mesa]

so really nothing but another Nef "this will make me look good" plan

[jolly root]

Yep

[drowsy saddle]

Nah the orb valis is the warm spot of venus

[pale cedar]

Nef just makes empty threats to sound cool it ain’t anything new

[waxen mesa]

do you mean cold spot? because it being the warm spot is supporting my point

[jolly root]

Well it would work its just he ignored the workers

[waxen mesa]

i once saw someone claim that Ballas didn't care about maintaining the coolant towers causing Venus to warm up.

nah he FIXED them. Venus was actually getting to where it was supposed to be

[dark compass]

he wanted to enable the tower despite it not being properly ready, just to show off to the investors

he wanted to make it work overtime to expand the "opportunities"

solaris wasnt able to keep up wit the work

[waxen mesa]

that still leaves the why unanswered

more coolant towers online would mean Venus would get colder, wouldn't it

[dark compass]

not sure if that was the conflict

the conflict wasthat the tower is old and barely functional

and that he threatened solaris with reposession if they wont get it working

and they wouldnt have been able to

[storm garden]

Speaking of Corpus Investors.
Whatever's Frohd Bek up-to?

[dark compass]

yeah

[waxen mesa]

We got a lott of MIA characters i wanna know about

what's Salad up to?

[pale cedar]

Frohd got blown up

[storm garden]

Still making Amalgams for whatever's left of Erra I presume

Or if Ropalolyst is acting alone now.

[dark compass]

sorry, i misread the original question

[jolly root]

I have kileed alad v way to mich

[dark compass]

im trying

[dark compass]

where was the overcooled part mentioned?

[jolly root]

I hear his voice

[pale cedar]

He has a memorable voice tbh

[dark compass]

its Zagger, of course

[runic pecan]

so like what if the man in the wall met the king in yellow

actually now i think of it thats a horrible question cause i dont think i can comprehend it

[jolly root]

Two incomprehensible beings

[lilac aspen]

“I don’t get it.”

[ocean geyser]

i have one right now!!!!!!

[fast dew]

Sick.

[silk atlas]

Wally's pretty comprehensible. I hazard that King in Yellow would just feed into Wally.

[jolly root]

Exactly

[jolly root]

Maybe

[fast dew]

Brother you just joined to post this, you might need to use this for yourself.

NO ITD 2026

[proper barn]

Your profile doesn't give me much hope.

[fast dew]

GOD DAMMIT

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO POST THIS ON THE DAY YOU JOINED LAST YEAR

[spiral field]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

sorry guys ive interruped ur 200 hour lore discussion streak

[proper barn]

This channel is literally called lore discussion.

[spiral field]

i woke up from a 1 year coma

[proper barn]

That's whats supposed to happen here.

[spiral field]

yes sir

[glacial bear]

so I've been replaying the main story with some friends.... jesus did DE play the long game or what

[silk atlas]

wdym

[fast dew]

They write things in advance, yeah

Favourite example being Albrecht and being mentioned nearly 3? 4? years before we ever see actually him physically

[glacial bear]

Well there's random little tidbits hidden in various quest too like the part of the New War

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah, he's mentioned then too, and in Duviri.

But yeah, DE is generally good at getting shit hinted at way earlier than what you'd expect

[dry oracle]

When I asked quincy for consent he said something about asking kaya for a ride does he mean travel to solar system or atomiclye?

[glacial bear]

It's wild I've been loving the replay

I'm sad I can't do all the quest

[fast dew]

Yeah, some quests are super bugged or just unreplayable, which sucks

[glacial bear]

Yeah I need to see if I can get it on YouTube

[restive river]

I mean
we had his statues

[fast dew]

I mean as a physical character that is interacting with the world 😭
-# also I think those statues are only in the heart vault, duviri and the zariman? I do find it interesting that he had a mild clothing change between his portrait and his statue

Hes wearing a shirt in the portrait, he isnt in the statues iirc

[restive river]

Iirc those statues are all over the deimos caves

[fast dew]

Yeah? Ive never seen em, interesting. Unless you mean the general deimos nodes and not the cambion drift, bcs i genuinely never do deimos nodes outside the labs

[restive river]

I mean in the drift caves

I may be mistaken but i recall seeing them in some of those rooms

[fast dew]

Would you be mixing it up w the quest and the ones in there? Bcs I dont think they're in the caves unless their in the iso vaults?

The zariman has them, the duviri paradox has a huge one in the area where you do the puzzle w operator and youre in the zariman

[restive river]

I believe there’s one in the vault bounty with the void mirror

I dont have the captura scene unfortunatey

[dire current]

I... actually don't think he got blown up, at least, not with full certainty. Frohd did mention ejecting his ship's bridge module before his ship got nuked, in the Ambulas boss fight.

So, we do not fully know if he's dead or not.

[fast dew]

Mm.

Teshin has a similar speaking pattern as Albrecht does

[strong viper]

As they because they were both blown up?

[fast dew]

Mm, void damage causing changes...

[dark compass]

formal orokin speak smh

you can take the office rat out of office but the watercooler stays deep inside their soul

[pale cedar]

Teshin and Albrecht still got a difference

One acts as an expert on Void stuff

One landed in the Void and acted like an expert

[silk atlas]

Teshin's always talked like that too, and Roathe mentions it's a problem of all Dax that got inherited to the Tenno

[fast dew]

Thats. Even funnier and kinda more proof that Albrecht is autisitc 😭 mm tonal mimickry

[pale cedar]

Teshin really should study rather than acting like he knows things

[peak vigil]

Bold of you to assume he’s that literate

[pale cedar]

He’s got all the time in the world to learn

[peak vigil]

True

[dark compass]

reading a book? mf IS IN a book

[pale cedar]

Nah, he only got invited to the live action adaptation of the book

[dark compass]

I believe in him

there are lots of quiz tablets for him to learn

[pale cedar]

Mother should really start suing for all this stealing

[dark compass]

copyright claim the conceptual embodiment

do not give parvos ideas

[pale cedar]

Parvos would weaponise profit

[fast dew]

Also. Teshin has void scarring around his eyes too??

[pale cedar]

Well he was lightly thrown into the Void

[fast dew]

He really is just dollar store Albrecht

[pale cedar]

Too bad he couldn’t afford a butler

[dark compass]

Albrecht if he was broke

[silk atlas]

Albrecht but an Orokin wage slave

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht if he was forced to study the way of the blade instead of ways to rizz your butler 101

[strange turtle]

So they can make a new Necramech or Railjack model and call it Emperor/Emperor Class

Need the authenticity in this hostile market

[ocean geyser]

We need more railjacks imo

Let me cobble together a bunch of corpus or grineer tech into one

Or at least a skin

(But i want skins for the interiors too)

[stiff beacon]

hey so ya'll think DE would make the irl mt tenno a significant location in lore?

[sleek berry]

Is the data on Cephalons and the crimes they've committed while living available to all inhabitants of the Origin System, or is that data lost with the Orokin Empire?

[peak vigil]

I’d assume the records are.. probably lost (dont take my word for that though) but the tech to make cephalons surely wasn’t

[strange plinth]

more than likely lost, gene-locks n such
though nihil, the guy making cephalons, was still around somewhere

[drowsy saddle]

Even if it still exists, would it even be trustworthy

[stiff beacon]

so i wanna bring this up

does anyone else think the dragon chroma killed and skinned is like the pre archon amar?

in that it was a sentient

animal

[devout lance]

Br

[ocean geyser]

idk about that

if it was they'd make dog amar look like the pelt

[jolly root]

I dont think so

And i hope not

[stiff beacon]

i mean it would make more sense then "wait wtf do you mean there a literal dragons hiding in sol and have been here since the orokin empire and yet youve never mentioned them outside of an interview from years ago about a frame whos kit has been kneecapped"

[jolly root]

I want to fight a dragin

[drowsy saddle]

The orokin could make whatever they want in terms of creatures

Orowryms, ravenous maws, the entirety of the surviving fish on deimos, a few of the ones on earth i think

[dark compass]

Some fortuna fish too

[drowsy saddle]

Kubrows, kavats, probably most of the wildlife on orb valis and cambion drift

[narrow pendant]

the dastardly orokin sand skate

[fast dew]

Bold of you to assume the orokin even paid a wage

[empty terrace]

Is Excalibur canon choice for operator? I got to play Excalibur prime in old peace. So people who picked mag and vault played their prime versions or everyone was playing Excalibur prime?

Also I'm loving how operator and drifter plot is going in other direction while kahl is playing his own thing.

I'm loving doing those missions

[dawn shuttle]

It's always Excalibur prime in the old peace

[strange plinth]

everyone got excalibur prime
there's not really a "canon" choice in regards to the starter frame. what's canon is whatever you chose

[unique aspen]

Apparently the Operator used Excalibur Prime during that period of their history, but it's hard to confidently say what they used before/after, and I'd wager that Operators generally don't get much say in what Warframe they're paired with.

[strange turtle]

We might not have been able to decide the frames we got, but we most likely got free reign on loadouts we actually used, with the Arsenal and Mod segment

[swift sentinel]

It's not even super clear that we didn't just pickup that Excal from the battle field like all the other discarded Primes.

[strong glen]

how much longer do you think we'll be dealing with the indifference for? i feel there isn't a real end goal for how to deal with it, because even the drifter doesn't have a clear idea of what to do (going by convos with roathe), but i assume the storyline has to end at some point.
more specifically what i wanted to ask was where do you think it could go from there? it seems like so much of the lore so far has been dealing with fallout from the past ever since we awoke. the orokin, ballas, and the indifference. so i'm not really sure what might come in the future. does anyone have any thoughts?

[fast dew]

I wouldn't give it more than the end of next year tbh. Its coming to a fever pitch and its getting. Worrying. Albrecht had years to plan shit, why would he be stalling atp, yk?

[strange turtle]

Albrecht when we learn something new about Wally after meeting up in Tau:

[narrow pendant]

vessels prime lore

[fast dew]

"... he gets banished from love? I need a whole 2 years to process this."

Basically what happened

[narrow pendant]

i dont think wally will be permanently dealt with, at most he will be appeased/realize forgiveness

[fast dew]

We got Tau 2 years after he said "Tau is in sight" in December, where we assume Tau is gonna be released

[fast dew]

Yeah theres no way to forgive Wally

You know actually

[narrow pendant]

imagine we get to tau and albrecht says "wallrunning no more in sight-"

[pale cedar]

I forgive Wally because forgiveness will kill Wally

[fast dew]

I was having a shower (huge flex) and while I was contemplating why Albrecht thought ||making Roathe forget his memories - even if it was asked of him|| was necessary

||Have we considered that he did it to himself? And he's using. Past experience to help redeem Roathe?||

[fast dew]

I need to draw Albrecht doing more shit like this

[unique aspen]

I do wonder how we'll resolve Wally while still keeping the Murmur around, given I feel like DE is reluctant to spin the narrative in a way that leads to an enemy faction no longer being an enemy/existing altogether.

Roathe has a conversation teasing Nitokh having potentially gone into hiding to return someday, Erra and his Narmer are still kicking around & would presumably care about going to Tau a lot, Parvos has continued ominously looming in the background and gathering forces all this time...

Tbh, I really expect The Tau Update™ to have minimal Wallyposting, with us only picking that thread back up after we pick through the situation there.

[fast dew]

Ehh, it will have Albrecht, and wally follows Albrecht as best as he can (definitely aided by us accidentally)

I expect some confrontation

I cant believe we didnt get a single Albrecht all of last year.
-# I think

Like, the old peace was mentioned to be about finding him, and for some reason we find out nothing in the old peace that currently pertains to finding Albrecht

[drowsy saddle]

maybe pull a ballas and trap wally in a loop?

since we know his big weakness is that he's bound to the law of cause and effect

[fast dew]

Sure, but 1999 didnt work out for that

[drowsy saddle]

try, try again

B E G I N A G A I N

Euthenasia roller coaster his personal timeline

[empty terrace]

Just suggestion: turn wally into margulis body type. And send it to ballas

[fast dew]

Any loop would require him to be

Physically inside
No other people inside to cause harm
Inaccessible to other people

And as smart as Albrecht is, thats not something I think he can do

[fast dew]

The orokin would enjoy using this.

[unique aspen]

I don't think The Tau Update™ will have Albrecht either - we'll probably find him around Tau eventually, but I really feel like that's an update or two down the line. There's more immediately tangible things to pay off, like everything around the Sentients.

[fast dew]

I will actually die if we dont get Albrecht

Also, he will be there/is there already

Thats why were going to tau in the first place

He has something on tau that might help against wally

[empty terrace]

When can we expect a new story update? I'm not sure how does update routine work here.

[fast dew]

Next one is in march

[empty terrace]

But it won't continue old peace

[fast dew]

Shadowgrapher, its an echoes update, like techrot encore

[drowsy saddle]

shadowgrapher will expand on old peace

like, a side step

[fast dew]

It will, its an echoes, so it will, even if its tangently so

I do genuinely love Follie's design though

[unique aspen]

Oh, is it said to be that? I thought it was supposed to run parallel to the Hex stuff.

[empty terrace]

Oh I see then it's good.

[fast dew]

Yeah, Rebb said as much iirc

I'll probably have the chance to ask more about it in a week......

Lord, its so close

Tennovip

YOU KNOW WHO FOLLIE REMINDS ME OF

[empty terrace]

I remember in the new war hunhow i saw was very big like Adis' robot. Does that mean there's smaller real hunhow too?

[fast dew]

MISS PIGGY FROM THE MUPPETS. I MEAN THIS IN THE MOST POSITIVE WAY.

[fast dew]

Nah, Hunhow is just. Big

His wife is bigger

[opaque zenith]

Honestly I just want that new player understand what happened to the destroyed relays. Y'know, bring shame back /s

[fast dew]

As in his whole body is able to fit inside her iirc
-# do not make the joke.

[empty terrace]

I wonder how he was farming with that big body.

[fast dew]

Fragments!

[empty terrace]

Bro was running his own factorio

[fast dew]

Thats what i assume at least

[unique aspen]

I want us to turn Hunhow into throwing knives to complete the set

[fast dew]

Mm. Limbo's deluxe pack has cards as throwables iirc

God if we get a Loid proto as limbo, I sooo wanna get those and give them to Loid

[empty terrace]

I wanna see him babysitting stalker's child

[fast dew]

A loid as if theres multiple loids

[drowsy saddle]

He just... Swallows entire fields

[fast dew]

Children raised by ai smh

[empty terrace]

I mean lotus is operator's mother figure so I'm not complaining

[fast dew]

No theres not multiple Loid's theres necraloid who is probably just a brain scanned modified cephalon of Loid

We dont have a mother figure for drifter do we?

We have.. teshin, as a father figure

[empty terrace]

She calls them champion if I remember

[fast dew]

Yeah, champion

Loid is the gay uncle that babysits us sometimes

[empty terrace]

We got wally

[fast dew]

True. ..

Xata.........

[empty terrace]

Or ballas if things worked out

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[fast dew]

Due to eternalism, there is a world where this is true, but due to eternalism, this is simultaneously false

This is both xata and kaxata

[empty terrace]

I was so annoyed when I heard that concept

[fast dew]

Its a real world concept

[empty terrace]

I can hardly understand quantum mechanics in my PC2

[fast dew]

Its just the word for multiverses

[empty terrace]

I know that's why. I am very bad at theoretical chemistry.

[fast dew]

If it helps, you can generally treat it as true, but its only false until you visually see it

That. Doesnt help

[empty terrace]

I know. But you can't right that only in uni exams.

[fast dew]

True

[narrow pendant]

Schrödingers ahole

[fast dew]

Quick question

How do we feel about Drillbit wearing a shirt with Albrecht

[empty terrace]

I'm happy next update is in March so I'll be done with my most of exams

[fast dew]

Yall got exams 💔

-# I dropped out

[empty terrace]

That's Albrecht in Tau

[fast dew]

Nah, he aint schroedinger's idiot, (another way to say the same thing), he will just be an ass to you

Hes. Good (?) Like thwt

[empty terrace]

A man trapped in boxed timeline and you don't know if it's him or wally until you open the box. That sounds like Schrödingers cat

[fast dew]

Its Albrecht's cat!

Weird that both names are German based
-# I think

[empty terrace]

I'll be disappointed if they pull wally being Albrechts second personality bs

[fast dew]

Nah

They're leaning towards it being conceptual em

Love it when I send early

[empty terrace]

Yes they're

[fast dew]

Conceptual embodiment

[fast dew]

... I hate how this is a technical way to use the word they're

[empty terrace]

I've classmate in organic chemistry with that name 😐

[fast dew]

Eh, could've been worse

[unique aspen]

Extremely normal Albrecht behaviour. What is the lore w/ him having a poster dedicated to him, anyway?

[fast dew]

Lore? No clue, Albrecht was just a very cult like figure

[empty terrace]

A man can't have a little bit of narcissism

[fast dew]

He is infact the polar opposite to narcissism

[unique aspen]

He just loves being locally famous, I guess

[fast dew]

He genuinely thinks very little of himself

[fast dew]

It wasn't even him doing it on purpose, iirc he didnt even make the posters

[unique aspen]

They just Show Up?!

[strange turtle]

basically he got really famous on account of being the only guy with a cure

[fast dew]

Albrecht really wasn't for the whole worship idea

Even his time in France had him just. Being a Cardinal, which. You usually dont worship iirc

He thinks himself below his manservant

[unique aspen]

That makes sense, though it does make me wonder how long he must've been in 199X, just for the turnaround to start making artsy posters and t-shirts about him.

[fast dew]

He has a clothing store

Called 'Timeless style'

[unique aspen]

ALBRECHT

[fast dew]

Genuinely nothing has made me want to punch him more than that name

[strange turtle]

From at least 1998-1999

[fast dew]

Maybe as early as 1995!

He also has 30~ onlyne cds!

What the hell is wrong with this man!

Autism, thats what.

[unique aspen]

I suppose it might just be that positions of influence are useful to him. Helps in getting people to listen, all that.

[fast dew]

It is very much just that

He did nothing thats really of power and influence as a Cardinal (not like they have much)

They are second to the pope though

Well, 2.5th to the pope

Theres a second ring of cardinals that are closer (as in theyre candidates to be the next pope iirc)

[unique aspen]

Collecting alternate timeline CDs of my favourite boy band to see if their music is any different there.

[fast dew]

He slept, ate, prayed, and like. Maybe lead sermons?