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fair ibex
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thats got a nice incarnon, but then ull need to wait for the adaptors

eager linden
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By getting to that branch in the Void, which is gotten to through Neptune.

sharp tinsel
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I hate the nokko part drop chanch I've been trying to get the chassis for the past 2 hours

unkempt niche
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Oh I will look into Burston

fair ibex
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youll need the adaptor tho and its only just came up

unkempt niche
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Fulmin has done so much for me but I am getting close to time to mvoe on lol

fair ibex
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at 14 u can get the incarnons from zaramin

unkempt niche
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I have an atomos I built up and formad, forgot about that

fair ibex
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lich weapon is probably ur best bet tbh

unkempt niche
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Can get incarnon then I think?

fair ibex
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yeah at 14 u can choose a bunch of different ones

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lich wep u can probbaly get in like 3 days or so

unkempt niche
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3 days from now will have cedo prime

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Guess I just wait for that tbh lol

fair ibex
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LD

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im loving mine got my built and modded out today

tidal plover
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How much does Sepsis Claws go for on Market

paper coral
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theyre not MR locked, only select few weapon primes are

hushed marsh
fair ibex
tidal plover
fair ibex
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you look at the lowest price , and that is generally the price

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maybe 1 or 2 above

paper coral
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id personally recommend the latron incarnon available this week

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I've seen alot of creators say it's the best incarnon

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and you can get it rn

fair ibex
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latron prime is all vaulted sadly ๐Ÿ™

paper coral
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that's true it's a bit of plat if you want the prime

spare bane
tidal plover
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How to get Tellereium?

spare bane
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Uranus... It's uranus

Ophelia in Uranus

misty cosmos
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Corinth goes nuts in the conclave

spare bane
oblique sequoia
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Wanted to go with a plant aesthetic, but somehow wound up with a gilded preying mantis instead

oblique sequoia
spare bane
oblique sequoia
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I like it a lot, it's fun

spare bane
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Huh

tidal plover
misty cosmos
# spare bane Corinth?
WARFRAME Wiki

The Corinth is a large Tenno designed shotgun, featuring two firing modes. The primary fire is a powerful buckshot supported by incredible critical stats, while the Alternate Fire launches a grenade projectile that creates an 9.4-meter explosion after traveling for 20 meters in midair possessing high status chance.

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One of my personal favorite shotguns in the game

tidal plover
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What makes it so good?

misty cosmos
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Maybe not the best choice for a shotgun

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But there is just something about it

spare bane
spare bane
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That's the thing in this game

There are no "Good" guns.. They would probably show off bc how they like the weapon XDDDD

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It's bc it's so good than other guns... They just like it

oblique sequoia
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I've wanted the Corinth Prime ever since Kahl used it in The New War lol

tidal plover
oblique sequoia
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I got it recently and it's been super fun to lug around

misty cosmos
# tidal plover What makes it so good?

Well in the Conclave specifically, itโ€™s got high damage, 168 damage per shot, plus the airburst round which also deals like 180 damage.

Itโ€™s just a really punchy gun

spare bane
# tidal plover I meant the mission

Oh shoot sorry, mix information

Uhh it's just spawns there more than the others

You can find it around by killing or finding it through box and stuff

misty cosmos
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In PVE itโ€™s alright

misty cosmos
tidal plover
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Also how do you get better Archguns etc

oblique sequoia
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There are Archgun parts in Relay Syndicate offerings

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I think there may be a couple of blueprints in the in game market

lofty garden
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imperator vandal from the formorian event, kuva ayang from liches, mausolon from building a necramech

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also kuva grattler from liches

fair ibex
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fluctus is from relays, thats pretty good

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im gonna get the vanal as soon as this event eventually happens

oblique sequoia
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i should get to building my Fluctus again

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I just need an Argon

tidal plover
frail idol
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is there a way to preview multiple armour pieces at the same time on operator/drifter to see how they look together?

oblique sequoia
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Yeah but you need Forma to make those

shy wedge
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If you craft a necramech you get Mausolon which is a good archgun

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But Arbucep is my preferred archgun to use

true kayak
tidal plover
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Damn it

coarse basin
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falcor, ocucor, some incarnon weapons

true kayak
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Think they meant archguns

coarse basin
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ohhh

true kayak
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In which case, grattler is ok, but the kuva version is a lot better

oblique sequoia
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Oh right. I forgot they changed it so you can still use Beast companions while incubating a new one

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I remember when I incubated my second Kubrow and was scrambling bc I didn't have a proper Sentinel yet DryGhoul

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My Taxon back then was not well modded ExcaliburLUL

shy wedge
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Arbucep is GOATed and is just spamming deepmine bounties

devout burrow
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had to buy arbucep for plat cause the grind was too long and sluggish

shy wedge
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Huh

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I farmed it passively

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Was farming for the arcanes and Nokko but I got Arbucep while doing it as well

devout burrow
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I needed it for arbitrations really badly

true kayak
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Larkspur is my favorite for actual archwing missions

shy wedge
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Took like a couple of hours to get Nokko, Arbucep, and R5 Secondary Encumber from R0 nightcap

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Only problem is that Nightcap only appears after New War

oblique sequoia
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Nightcap is cool. I like him a lot

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I should sell my regular Larkspur...

tidal plover
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Also Iโ€™ve gone from feeling somewhat weak again on Neptune in terms of damage output and IDK what to do to solve it, where if any, place I can farm Axi Relics, Neo Relics etc

oblique sequoia
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Well that means you have to work on getting your mods higher level

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Or making just a tad bit more specified builds but nothing too complicated

lofty garden
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apollo, lua for Axi relics

oblique sequoia
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Like Bane of Grineer and stuff

tidal plover
tidal plover
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GN

oblique sequoia
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Those things aren't going to disappear anytime soon so it's better to just take it a tad slower

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Like seriously... I don't want to be rude or anything, but I can see that being so gung-ho is actively ruining your experience

cosmic musk
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Hi fellow tenno in the chat, Just wonder if standard/base hema riven mods can be used on coda hema.
I saw both of em having different riven disposition

oblique sequoia
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There are some cases where the dispo isn't that different, so it's ok to use on the better weapon variant in that instance

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Like Braton vs Braton Prime, for example

cosmic musk
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so assuming i can use the base hema rivens on coda hema?

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does it reduce in stats when i cross use it?

oblique sequoia
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Lower disposition means lower stats on the Riven, yes

cosmic musk
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example hema has 4 riven dispo, but coda hema has 3

oblique sequoia
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3 is useable

cosmic musk
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so i can put my hema riven mods on coda hema

oblique sequoia
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Yes

cosmic musk
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alright

oblique sequoia
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Rivens can be slotted on any variant of the weapon

cosmic musk
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IvaraHeart thanks

bold mesa
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whats the best nuker?

cosmic musk
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frame?

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i would say different frame perform differently in terms of nuke in different levels

devout burrow
cosmic musk
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sevagoth tend to be better on higher end/ level cap due to health percentage

bold mesa
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๐Ÿ‘

late vessel
cosmic musk
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volt tend to be better in middle/lower lets say elite sanc ect ect

bold mesa
cosmic musk
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seva, hildryn is also good

late vessel
unkempt niche
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As far as content creators go, do we like MHBlacky or don't like his info?

late vessel
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they dont really perform all that well for things like eso tho

devout burrow
cosmic musk
devout burrow
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(this is obviously a joke he sucks)

cosmic musk
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i dont usually follow 1:1 his builds

bold mesa
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;-;

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damn ok

cosmic musk
# bold mesa ;-;

if you want a decent one that can carry to late game without maximum effort/investment , i think hildryn is alright

mellow summit
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Whatโ€™s the best way to use the orokin eye for vault runs?

shy wedge
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Hildryn is kind of expensive ngl

oblique sequoia
cosmic musk
oblique sequoia
devout burrow
cosmic musk
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but usually beginenr/early game mods should be fine probably

mellow summit
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Is there a map for the spots?

oblique sequoia
lofty garden
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just need to learn the tileset

devout burrow
shy wedge
oblique sequoia
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Capture is the fastest bc you can just catch the target then go looking for for Vault

mellow summit
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Yea Iโ€™m doing horrid, but some runs take longer

oblique sequoia
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Unless The Lotus wants to be silly and make it an exterminate mission DryGhoul

cosmic musk
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Mines are ok ish , maybe need a little tweaks

oblique sequoia
devout burrow
oblique sequoia
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Ignore your current objective. Leave nothing alive.

devout burrow
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instant mission abort

oblique sequoia
shy wedge
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Her inner Natah is just showing up from time to time that's all

oblique sequoia
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Ikr

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So silly

lofty garden
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they are all there

oblique sequoia
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I bought the Radiant Lotus skin. Why is she posed up like she's about to slay the runway

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I'm not complaining, I just wanna know why

restive pumice
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And the story why is she like that.

unkempt niche
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โญ Radiant โญ

oblique sequoia
restive pumice
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LotusIntensified exactly try to see some quests of why is she like that .

oblique sequoia
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I'm just talking about her slay ass pose and not the lore implications of it DryGhoul

restive pumice
unkempt niche
oblique sequoia
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LMAO

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The Origin System's Next Top Model

restive pumice
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ExcaliburLUL they should give us 1 quest about fashion show.

oblique sequoia
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Is Venkra joining the next season?

late vessel
oblique sequoia
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That's true

oblique sequoia
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Style on Ballas, queen. He deserves far worse, but we'll take what we can get

restive pumice
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ExcaliburLUL don't worry maybe ballas shows up in the tau.

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DryGhoul i hope not.

oblique sequoia
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God please no... I've had enough of that bastard DryGhoul

oblique sequoia
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I'm afraid we might see Nitokh in Tau....

restive pumice
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ExcaliburLUL don't worry as roathe said pray that ballas is alive.

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Because of some other villain.

oblique sequoia
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That's why I'm afraid DryGhoul

shy wedge
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||Ballas did nothing wrong anyways idk why he is hated||

restive pumice
loud sonnet
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For granum void I have to get 75 kills to get a reward even though I do a 1st or 2nd tier crown? I was thinking only had to get 75 for the 3rd crown. And 25 for 1 and 50 for 2

oblique sequoia
restive pumice
unkempt niche
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The future is a foreign land

restive pumice
loud sonnet
oblique sequoia
oblique sequoia
shy wedge
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Drifter vs Operator is the final battle when they release the final story

source: trust me bro

fair ibex
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god the maw stopped giving me fangs with 2 left to get ๐Ÿ™

restive pumice
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So this way you get more kills.

unkempt niche
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I farmed like 50 aya and don't even know what they do lol

oblique sequoia
restive pumice
unkempt niche
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Oh snap

restive pumice
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Near mars planet.

unkempt niche
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That's neat!

restive pumice
unkempt niche
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I should prolly do better about using relics but it's been a painful process so far

shy wedge
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Sell for ez plat

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Or gamble with the relics

unkempt niche
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Prolly need to do better relic missions with a build set up for it tbh... like Titania I can't get because of my lack of Nitain lol

oblique sequoia
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Or you can buy the Prime Trailer music from Varzia, too

fair ibex
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just join pubs and keep up with the farmers

unkempt niche
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How do I sell Aya for plat? I don't see any listings of Aya specifically on WF Market

shy wedge
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Volt or Wukong should be fine

unkempt niche
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Cause I don't mind farming it, esp if I can make money off of it

fair ibex
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i would keep it honestly

oblique sequoia
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You can set up shop there

unkempt niche
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I am gonna keep what I have it's just good to know, because that's a way I don't mind doing

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I am very new and still learning so I am absorbing as much good info as I can, even if for later.

oblique sequoia
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Me with playing Kahl missions and selling Archon Mods on the side lol

shy wedge
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There are people who +1p if doing multiple trades as well

unkempt niche
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

fair ibex
oblique sequoia
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I need to get a move on. I want Trinity Prime

unkempt niche
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I just farmed out a cedo prime with all the relics I have gotten naturally so far, so excited to get 3 more MR

oblique sequoia
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Brb, I have a lot of stuff to do lol

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God I still need a proper Cedo Prime build

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But it's low on my priority list rn DryGhoul

fair ibex
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the one im using is sick

unkempt niche
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Yeah I am dying waiting for it, seems like such a big jump for me.

oblique sequoia
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Hahahaha

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Yeah that's how I felt when I was waiting on my first Prime Warframe

unkempt niche
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I also wanna build my Nokko up, he has a build that only uses his shrooms and 4 basically that I saw that looked very interesting, perma invis too

fair ibex
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when u fire that glaive and it statuses the entire map โค๏ธ

oblique sequoia
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Btw, what Prime Warframe did you guys get first?

fair ibex
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nova prime

oblique sequoia
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Mine was Octavia Prime

unkempt niche
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Xaku Prime

charred rock
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Is there a website showing all Warframes/weapons available right now from unvaulted relics?

unkempt niche
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I seemed to have stopped getting notifications in game and it's really bothering me

oblique sequoia
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Funny story about how I got her. I was a new player doing random stuff. Then took a year long break. Went back to see I have all her components and was just in time for Prime Resurgence with Octavia in it, bought 10 Relics with her main bp, then got it on the first try LMAO

floral osprey
oblique sequoia
charred rock
oblique sequoia
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Ayy congrats!

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Protea is fun. I like her a lot

charred rock
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Fr she's very self sustain

oblique sequoia
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Need to slot in Arcane Concentration on her lol

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Longer lasting turrets bo brrrrrr

unkempt niche
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I need to unlock melee arcanes

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And magnetic rush

torn egret
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where do you sell liches with good names?

fair ibex
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im just about to get my first influence conditon overload mele wep ๐Ÿ˜„ with

charred rock
fair ibex
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okina prime ๐Ÿ˜„

floral osprey
# oblique sequoia Oh damn, I just got Nidus Prime recently. I need to level him up lol

tbh he feels kinda just alr. ik hes not bad but like idk spaming your 1 is funny the first few times but hits no where near as hard as stuff like atlas, he doesnt have as great hp outside of the one mod that gives him hp based on his mutation stacks (which i assume is what you use with persistence) his pull is nice but tbh i dont like how when it ends it throws everything around, his umbilical cord is nice but at the same time i dont like how it ties you to one ally/enemy otherwise it snaps, and his 4 i just wish it would heal based on a % instead of a flat amount

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like overall his kit is perfectly fine just could do for legit just some numbers being tweaked

oblique sequoia
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I feel kinda bad for him bc I like him a lot

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Hallway Boy Prime frfr Clemsive

floral osprey
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like I LOVE his phryke skin and I have a baller skin on him, he just doesnt feel as fun to play as smthn like chroma since i can move around significantly more

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also makes it really hard to justify bringing him to smthn like void cascade as well

oblique sequoia
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Right? It's kind of a travesty

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I still like him a lot regardless tho

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Now Hildryn... She took me a while to get used to. I'm finally having fun playing as her now

floral osprey
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probably not as bad as im thinking but like I wish there was an augment or smthn where you lose out on the DR / redirection or whatever but still get the buff from his umbilical cord and that would be really nice imop for just making him more mobile to begin with

oblique sequoia
floral osprey
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eh idk

oblique sequoia
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Honestly, I feel like Nidus could go for a rework

fair ibex
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im loving gyre prime quite a lot as well tbh

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havent built her 100% properly yet tho but she still rocks

oblique sequoia
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Slr

oblique sequoia
charred rock
floral osprey
# oblique sequoia Oh that's a neat idea. Suggestion box time?

would probably make him end up running like 3 or 4 augments to be a insane persistence user since you would want the one that sets your mutation stacks to 300, the one that gives hp based on mutation stacks, the probably the idea i was talkin about if you either need to be more mobile or smthn then you just need to figure out a way to heal and you can probably subsume smthn over his 4 to do that if its not healing / mobile enough

oblique sequoia
floral osprey
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and tbh if you get to the point a frame is "needing" to use like 3 or more augment mods to be viable then it might be time to look at rework

fair ibex
oblique sequoia
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That's what I'm saying lol

floral osprey
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but overall i feel his kit is fine as is for now, other frames are 100% in a much more dire state than him

oblique sequoia
floral osprey
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cough cough chroma/ember cough cough

oblique sequoia
floral osprey
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eeh, most of her kit is atleast usable, shes def on there for wanting a rework, i think i recall loki also being one that people would like a rework for

oblique sequoia
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Also... Baruuk's Desert Wind is really fun to use

fair ibex
oblique sequoia
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I did not expect to have this much fun with him.

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I might main Monk Man Prime for a bit after I'm done building him up

floral osprey
# oblique sequoia Oh hell... Yes Chroma Rework pls

as someone who definitely doesnt play chroma at all ๐Ÿ‘€ (im sure you guys belive that with how much ive glazed his vex armour) it just feels really bad how the only parts of his kit he uses are vex armour and then his 4 for the express purpose of credit farming

oblique sequoia
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Ikr ๐Ÿ˜ญ

fair ibex
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i didnt really like chroma when i tried him in circuit but i guess cos it was basic build and i had no idea how to play him

floral osprey
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You NEED guardian armour or else vex armour doesn't feel that good tbh. Plus he's a weapons platform that loves aoe weapons so if you just don't have great weapons he's gona struggle

fair ibex
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ahh ok

oblique sequoia
unkempt niche
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Installing my helminth now YAY!

fair ibex
oblique sequoia
fair ibex
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what u gonna name it ?

oblique sequoia
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Infested Dentist Chair

floral osprey
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He also can use stuff like dual tox / siccarus incarnons insanely well

oblique sequoia
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Oh I forgot... I was gonna do stuff

floral osprey
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Basically just stuff that has very quick ttk and can kill groups makes him just easily hit like 70% of your teams damage even after like an hour

unkempt niche
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IDK but I have Rhino ready to sacrifice immediately.

oblique sequoia
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See y'all later. You're all way too fun to talk to I keep forgetting to play the game ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ

unkempt niche
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I tried to do the grendel missions but I think I need to make an actual no mod setup to do it

floral osprey
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Can you still use stuff like the felarx in incarnon mode or did that get patched?

silk forge
fair ibex
unkempt niche
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I have Revenant out of those

fair ibex
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i cant really kill quick enough for it

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its so annoying

floral osprey
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I'm ngl I solod all the Grendel missions with inaros and the felarx (belive it was a bug that let it keep its incarnon when it shouldn't but if that was patched then gl ig ๐Ÿ˜ญ)

fair ibex
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ive done the excavator one

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i just need the other 2 ๐Ÿ™ i want my nourish

unkempt niche
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Does each grendel mission guarantee the piece or is it a multifarm kind of thing?

fair ibex
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nah its 100%

floral osprey
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^

unkempt niche
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Oh good. dougal we can ty them together if you want

fair ibex
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yeah man, its a bit late for me now fkn 4 am AGAIN lol

unkempt niche
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Ah NP

fair ibex
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if ur about 2morrow tho hmu and well do it

oblique sequoia
unkempt niche
fair ibex
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i got a hyldrin with her augments so i dont die , i just need a bit more kill spsed

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speed

floral osprey
oblique sequoia
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There we go

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Thank you! CLEMLove

floral osprey
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protea and the weapons (okina and velox) are gona be rotating out whenever the next prime drops

oblique sequoia
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Please be Styanax DryGhoul

floral osprey
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based on predictions it is quite likely to be but we will see in 9 days

fair ibex
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yeah i NEED one more piece of protea for her prime i should really sort that out

oblique sequoia
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Who are the other possible candidates?

unkempt niche
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Do you get mirage just from doing the quest for mirage or is there more farming after? I really wanna make that 2 build on them for funsies.

oblique sequoia
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Is Citrine one of them?

floral osprey
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i think realistically its just styanax

oblique sequoia
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Oki

fair ibex
oblique sequoia
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I'm literally gonna be gone now. Baiiii

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Hahahahahahahaha

unkempt niche
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Nice, I'm just asking cause the Yareli quest did not seem to actually give me the Yareli parts haha... that quest series was not my favorite.

fair ibex
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i couldnt be bothered weith it tbh

floral osprey
# oblique sequoia Is Citrine one of them?

based on protea sev and so on they seem to have changed the prime rotation to just not repeat the same gender consecutively so since we got gyre prime last next should be a male frame to be primed (since temple wont be getting primed till like 2028)

unkempt niche
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I love the THPS games, but that... was not it.

fair ibex
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i gave up trying to chain tricks and havent used it since lol

lofty garden
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The nonbinary frames threw a spanner in the works

floral osprey
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i mean they changed prime release rotation at protea to the thing above

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so now nonbianry frames arent gona be a problem for prime release order

misty cosmos
oblique sequoia
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25% ๐Ÿ˜ญ

hazy halo
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a no perhaps?

unkempt niche
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Do Nokkos orbs get better at target tracking as he ranks up? Mine don't really seem like a viable way to play but he has entire videos built around just throwing the 4 out while invis lol

mellow turret
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are you playing on sp?

unkempt niche
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Not yet but every build I looked at says this is SP viable

mellow turret
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that's your problem

unkempt niche
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Just forma'ing him up as I learn to play him

mellow turret
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enemy density is higher on sp

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theres just more stuff for them to hit

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it's like how gyre is really hard to start chaining with on star chart

unkempt niche
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Ah okay, I'll forma him up then go try on SP.

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I have all the mods in the guide and stuff so I should be able to I hope, they just aren't all capped level yet.

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He does seem to hit hard, even naked almost.

teal wren
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is this change any good?

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which one?

silk arch
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Funny bubble gun

red holly
teal wren
floral osprey
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corinth ๐Ÿ’€

teal wren
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hey man its a good gun lemme alone

floral osprey
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overall probably tbh, its multishot and viral modded on however overall probably better rolls out there but for personal use that can take out atleast i think 2 mods

spare bane
floral osprey
unkempt niche
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Is there any shortcut to get Tazicor or do I just gotta grind Fortuna to R5?

floral osprey
spare bane
floral osprey
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same as normal modding so just viral heat

red holly
teal wren
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why is a negative better

floral osprey
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makes the other stats higher

red holly
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it makes positive stats better

spare bane
teal wren
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ohhh ok so if i where to have lets say a phantasma riv with slash and impact i should re roll to see if i can get a negative so the other stats are higher

red holly
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if you are rerolling it doesn't matter what your rerolled riven has

floral osprey
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just to give an idea, say smthn with no negatives can roll stats between 50-100, with a negative it might be smthn more along the lines of like 70-120 or smthn like that. its possible to have a higher roll with a non negative but the highest possible is higher with negatives (dont know if thats like the exact ratio of negative vs non negative but atleast should give an idea)

teal wren
red holly
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it's kinda like corrupted mods, they have a negative but the positive is better than the generic mods with no negative

teal wren
#

bad or good

red holly
#

okay

floral osprey
#

i think the disparity might be better but overall gives an idea

red holly
#

not great

floral osprey
#

tenet arca plasmor has horendous disposition so tbh rivens for it arent that great to begin with

red holly
#

but okay because of how arca plasmor scales

#

but tenet arca plasmor has low disposition

#

I think the base arca plasmor has low dispo as well

floral osprey
#

best bet would honestly probably be smthn with fire rate and a status with stat chance or smthn to replace a 60/60 mod or smthn and i assume smthn like recoil or zoom are the chase negatives

red holly
#

-DtI is okay, and the mod can still replace fire rate mod

floral osprey
#

you probably will get more base damage out of arcanes n prime point blank than a riven, multishot same goes with galv mod and same with the crit stuff which leaves like replacing a 60/60

teal wren
#

is bubonico good with rivs

red holly
#

no

#

besides we are getting a better bubonico

floral osprey
#

which will probably have an even lower dispo

red holly
#

it will start off with 0.5x and will stay that way for a very long time

devout burrow
teal wren
#

so i assume with what ive gatherd that both of these are bad then

floral osprey
#

best bet is look for weapons that have incarnons as a good few of them were around before their incarnon got added, were bad, got super high dispos, and then got incarnons and because de doesnt lower dispositions you have these weapons with crazy dispos that are really good

devout burrow
floral osprey
#

right is better for phantasma tho

red holly
#

right is better though

teal wren
#

so for phantasma id be looking for crit and status proc then i assume

floral osprey
#

phantasma vs phantasma prime iirc are relatively similar with i think the phantasma (base) being better if you have a riven

floral osprey
#

i forget what the phantasma's crit stuff is but i recall it not being great

red holly
#

phantasma doesn't have good crit chace and crit damage

teal wren
red holly
#

fire rate

floral osprey
#

fire rate

teal wren
#

ahhh makes sense

floral osprey
#

status duration probably wouldnt be an end of the world option if you get that as well

devout burrow
#

Its pretty useless

floral osprey
#

does make heat a lil worse but you can just do eletric

devout burrow
#

Nothing is staying alive long enough for sd to matter

floral osprey
#

i mean yea but if you had to pick between + slash or + SD on the phantasma im picking SD

devout burrow
#

Yeah but both arent slottable so doesnt matter

floral osprey
#

wdym not slottable?

#

as in not something you mod for or not slotable on the riven?

devout burrow
#

The rivens he showed cant be slotted in a build

teal wren
#

quick question are zaws meta

floral osprey
#

no not really

red holly
#

yes

devout burrow
floral osprey
#

? they are

red holly
#

zaws are meta

devout burrow
#

2 specific ones are big money

red holly
#

yes they are, unpopular, but meta

devout burrow
#

Balla and rabvee go for a lot

teal wren
#

this good then

floral osprey
#

oh is this another tombfinger esc thing where like only 1 of the things is decent and the rest are awful

red holly
#

yes it's your best riven so far

teal wren
#

unexpected

devout burrow
amber trench
floral osprey
amber trench
#

Dokrahm and Rabvee are the best ones

devout burrow
#

For rabvee you want as, md, cc, cd

#

Oh you mean in general

amber trench
teal wren
#

whats md

amber trench
#

melee damage

teal wren
#

ahhh okay

amber trench
#

I'm building a second Rabvee rn

devout burrow
#

Idk what rolls you'd want for balla tho cause thats very profit taker meta specific

amber trench
#

Dokrahm and Rabvee are the strongest for pure damage Contagion

devout burrow
amber trench
#

its okay but it also isn't

devout burrow
#

It is good

amber trench
#

can't use it on duplicate

#

you'd rather have stats that don't mess with Duplicate

devout burrow
#

You want a cc roll exactly for that reason

floral osprey
#

if only duplicate just worked with crits in general and not specifically yellow crits

amber trench
#

my current Rabvee is pretty good but no negative

true kayak
#

For contagion?

amber trench
#

yeah

devout burrow
torn egret
#

hey chat how does lich trading work? my friend got a kuva shildegg with 56% elemental and more importantly a funny name. where does one try to sell that

#

bc warframe market does not let you list lich names

teal wren
#

the dmg is good but no crit

true kayak
#

Status duration also isnโ€™t doing much

teal wren
#

yeahh its only there for the dmg

devout burrow
teal wren
#

dilema

keen lintel
#

Altho u can go for left too if u r not using WA

unkempt niche
#

Hm my shade prime is not maintaining my invis even w/o me shooting and having all the mods in the guide

#

Wonder what I am doing to break it/not maintain it

oblique sequoia
#

Shade invis breaks when you attack

#

Oh wait I read that wrong

#

Nvm DryGhoul

rugged shore
#

It will deactivate if there are no enemies in activation radius

unkempt niche
#

Ah that might be it.

rugged shore
#

Its 24m radius and there's a 3 second grace period iirc

unkempt niche
#

That was it fo sure I believe.

oblique sequoia
#

That makes sense. Better to have it end early and be ready for when another enemy is nearby later

silk arch
#

Yareli passive multiplicative?

rugged shore
#

Additive to crit chance mods iirc

red holly
#

it's multiplicative to base CC, additive to crit chance mods

unkempt niche
#

Nokko hits so had but I am not sure how I feel about his playstyle

red holly
#

so it's not citrine, harrow, puncture proc flat CC increase

spring idol
#

Dude i Just farmed for hyldrin Prime and i realized i dont have a slot for her xd

quaint brook
#

his play style is really just brightbonnet bounce bounce, fire all shrooms, grofit

cyan aspen
#

dude why does melee just suck later on in the game

red holly
#

it absolutely does not

silk arch
#

Not if you're Valkyr :v

cyan aspen
#

only melee I can make work is like, khoras whip

red holly
#

what melees have you tried?

cyan aspen
#

broken war, kuva shildeg

silk arch
#

A barely modded Valkyr can survive Steel Path

cyan aspen
#

they all do like 2 damage

cyan aspen
unkempt niche
#

Isn't melee like stupid good?

cyan aspen
#

I got valkyr prime like a month ago and still haven't used her lmfao

red holly
#

how did you build them?

cyan aspen
#

broken war was pretty good for the time I got it ngl

red holly
#

kuva hildeg has good stats

cyan aspen
#

it's more like the shildeg

red holly
#

good crit chance, goot crit multiplier, good damage

round tide
#

I should be checking duiviri every week

cyan aspen
#

its on a combo build and even with the combo up I don't feel like it's doing enough

red holly
#

combo build should be enough

silk arch
#

Galv Steel + Blood Rush

#

And your G2G

cyan aspen
#

maybe it'll serve me better with a not combo build

red holly
#

ah, now everything is clear

#

you have no damage source

#

no damage mod, no damage arcane

cyan aspen
#

o

red holly
#

I mean you have CO

cyan aspen
#

prithee would you explain

red holly
#

but the thing is, I don't know if going for melee influence with viral is a good idea

cyan aspen
#

right

#

I wouldn't actually know where to begin anyway

#

I've been almost exclusively following overframe builds but there's not much up to date with the shildeg

red holly
#

melee infleunce at rank 0 is not great

#

it has no duration, like 3 seconds or so

cyan aspen
#

oh yeah

red holly
#

20% for 3 seconds of spreading viral is not much

cyan aspen
#

so what's like

#

the play

unkempt niche
#

Also, are people just like... obnoxiously bad in public lobbies for SP? Basically every person I have played with so fa has been useless/running around dying repeatedly.

trim bobcat
unkempt niche
#

I am on the first planet still, but I don't see this getting better lol

cyan aspen
#

earth is just people checking if they can do sp

unkempt niche
#

The set is 10p on warframe market. Is there something I am missing?

trim bobcat
#

Bro is overestimating the market

red holly
#

so it's a tennokai build, but instead of influence use something that would give you more damage like melee exposure

cyan aspen
#

mmmm

#

my exposure is rank 1

red holly
#

good enough, exposure doesn't have to be high rank

#

because the cap is all the same

cyan aspen
#

I see

#

well anyway it's not s priority but it's good to know that my build is missing something

#

still almost exclusively using primary and secondary which goes well with my frames

red holly
#

instead of viral I would also chance the element to the one the enemies you are going to fight will be weak to for damage multiplier

cyan aspen
#

tryna get a coda hirudo for chroma so I can focus on that, potentially

red holly
#

like magnetic for corpus, corrosive for grineer

cyan aspen
#

right

red holly
#

also you don't need galvanized elementalist

#

instead you can add a heat mod to go for corrosive/heat combo

#

for more armor strip

median topaz
red holly
#

you can try that and let me know if it works better

unkempt niche
#

Gonna be a chore to get through as is for me, valkyr is strong for me but I don't particularly like how I am doing on her

#

I like Xaku but my Xaku doesn't seem to be built right for SP

median topaz
#

SP Xaku is about armor stripping with Gaze

#

(second power on the 3)

#

If you can do that, your stolen guns win for you

unkempt niche
#

Nice maybe I need to get better about using that

#

because he's my fav and I don't wanna quit playing him

cyan aspen
#

how many exolizers was it per round

clever glacier
#

4

cyan aspen
#

ty

unkempt niche
#

Guides I am reading up on will work on non-prime versions as well of frames right? It's usually just a bit of extra stats and better looks for being prime?

clever glacier
#

yea probably, just understand why they do what they do and make adjustments accordingly

leaden orbit
#

does anyone know if the weak point dmg increases from mods like primary acuity and pistol acuity are also added along with vital sense and other sources of crit dmg bc on the wiki it only states that it's added along with the headshot multiplier range which is 3x for most and then it makes it 3 +(3.5 * 1.5) =8.25x (the "*1.5" is bc it states that it performs About 1.5x than it should)

unkempt niche
#

Are you supposed to have archon shards before steel path? I'm assuming it's balanced around you having them?

shy wedge
#

you don't need archon shards for steel path

#

more like stacking status effects via Companions or weapons

red path
shy wedge
#

but if you do have archon shards then feel free to use them on your favorite warframes

red path
#

it just gives some utility allowing you to save on mods

quaint brook
#

in terms of performance theres hardly any difference for fully built loadouts

red path
#

I preferred to not invest into normal frames when there is prime, I think only one that I somehow invested a bit was my very first excal, just to make playing easier

narrow lantern
#

So do i wait for my extractors to have full hp before redeploying them?

#

It says the extractor is ready and it's health is 173/200

red path
#

you can make more extractors, I have 6 just for this

narrow lantern
quaint brook
hollow cradle
narrow lantern
#

is dark sector the only good credit farm for early? I haven't reached neptune yet

red path
#

have you unlocked railjack?

#

the very first mission, sover strait on earth proxima give 35k per run, and it can be very fast if you have decent rj

narrow lantern
#

Survival on saturn for 30 mins give 100k but it's time consuming

red path
#

if you in clan, you can get mk3 upgrades from dojo

narrow lantern
#

Oh my clan dojo has max research so I'll check it out

hollow cradle
# narrow lantern I think i have but i don't have any good rj rn

minimum build for Railjack is clan dojo RJ research. You need to equip MK3 gear from research. Then you hide RJ in hollow asteroid so its not noticed by enemies, and do missions with Amesha archwing. #1 skill will keep you alive, #3 skill slows enemy craft so you can shoot them

pure gulch
#

minimum is default rj and playing with othersโ€™ railjack and getting mk3 parts like that lol

narrow lantern
#

We can also play it public and ask someone to carry right?

pure gulch
#

public lobby uses hostโ€™s rj

unkempt niche
#

I found it really fun to not be the pilot in rj lol

#

I like just archwinging over to crewships and blowing them up

red path
#

I use slingshot for that since just flying to them takes too much time

silk arch
#

Harrow's 4 snapshots?

pliant trench
#

his 4th just tank by take dmg and give crit buff

silk arch
#

Have Molt efficiency at max stack
Use 4
Use 1 during 4's Invul state

#

Will 4's buff duration still have the 36% from Molt after Invul ends

vale falcon
#

Yeah it would, any duration of an ability snapshots

#

Efficiency is also the same, snapshots for any drain per sec ability

Strength is most of the time, but you can assume it is always

#

Range isn't adaptive during a non relic mission so we can ignore that

grave birch
#

Anyone HERE know if the zaw weapon on sale for plat is worth it or not?

pliant trench
#

unless it not the custom zaw u craft urself, it just MR fodder

grave birch
#

Kronsh, Seekalla, Vargeet Ruhang II

pliant trench
#

worst

grave birch
#

That's what I needed to know. Andd yea, looking for MR fodder ๐Ÿ˜…

#

And the fact it looks like Rafiki's staff from Lion King lol

#

But thank you for the help @pliant trench โค๏ธ

unkempt niche
#

Neat, doing this win 3 wagers without them scoring is not being very nice... I won 2 and then as soon as we spawned I killed an enemy and they instantly scored somehow from their own teammate dying

unkempt niche
#

Solo

#

didn't matter, that could happen either way

pliant trench
#

i find just bring khora is quite ez run, just build her for dur and energy - her dome basically cheating

#

and her cat "fetch" coin w/o u need to move

unkempt niche
#

Killing them isn't the prob, but the fetch thing is useful for sure good to know... he picked up his dead teammates coin and scored immediately lol

#

Good to know about fetch though for sure

pliant trench
#

remember pet cant be equip on index game, but khora cat is exalted pet - just equip it w fetch mod

unkempt niche
#

Makes total sense now though since I can't use my diriga

oblique sequoia
#

Omg Baruuk's Desert Wind with Spring Loaded Blade is so funny. It just turns my fists into something that deletes the general direction I'm facing ExcaliburLUL

#

I don't even have to be near these enemies. Incredible.

#

Definitely have to make a proper build for him, fr

willow bluff
#

And then there's Greedy Pull augment but it's very buggy mess

tired loom
#

Whats the over under on me bum rushing the rest of the current night wave? I just made it to the taxon skin.

radiant knot
#

When's the next time baro's comin up

tired loom
radiant knot
#

I see, thanks

unkempt niche
willow bluff
#

80 energy per orb

unkempt niche
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ Thanks

willow bluff
#

Put this on both ur pistol and on Dex Pixia exilus

frosty flint
willow bluff
dark cedar
#

Good mornin

dark cedar
unkempt niche
#

I wasn't able to grab her because I ran out of nitain ๐Ÿ™

#

I have the bp and components all ready to go but that 1 piece

dark cedar
#

Ah, I see
Well, now's the prime time to get some, since ghoul purge is available

edgy gulch
#

Anyone have a good tellurium grind

#

Or is just any mission on uranus

red path
#

ophelia on uranus, full squad if normal, can go solo if steel path

edgy gulch
#

Thank

spare bane
edgy gulch
#

All my homies hate railjack

spare bane
red path
#

salacia on neptune works too but a bit less efficient imo

#

before de fixed it hunhullist mission in perita was a very good farming spot

spare bane
slim ledge
#

How much focus do you need for new focus schools upgrades from december update

red path
#

it's a good spot if you also want to rank up archwing gear

red path
#

3 or 4M iirc

slim ledge
#

doesn't sound too bad

red path
#

you also need perita drops too

dark cedar
#

Goated farm

spare bane
slim ledge
spare bane
#

I need Tenet weapons

dark cedar
edgy gulch
tired loom
edgy gulch
spare bane
dark cedar
spare bane
edgy gulch
#

Post nokko

spare bane
spare bane
dark cedar
spare bane
#

Or 15%

Idk how much

spare bane
dark cedar
tired loom
tidal plover
#

Okay I relent, I might be in the process of making a WFM Account.

spare bane
tired loom
#

And I really need that somachord, can I get it?

dark cedar
edgy gulch
spare bane
edgy gulch
#

Because no one does it

spare bane
tired loom
dark cedar
#

Railjack has some of the most fun gameplay imo

spare bane
tired loom
#

It's fun, I drive a big giant space boat and I have CY telling me to fire.

spare bane
#

Is it doable? Probably not

But it gives me plat per day

spare bane
#

Ughhhh I need those tier 3 shits

tidal plover
dark cedar
#

And you farm literally EVERYTHING in railjack
Proxima missions give you holo keys, radiant relics (some of which you can't get elsewhere), crap tons of credits and endo, normal materials, mods that sell for crazy amounts, sevagoth parts, nautilus parts and epitaph parts, plus you can open relics for even more stuff and intrinsics to level mastery

tired loom
#

You don't even need tier three.

spare bane
dark cedar
spare bane
dark cedar
tired loom
#

Citrine sucks, I run that mission to test new frames and weapons and I only have half the bits.

spare bane
tired loom
#

I raise you Hydroid.

spare bane
dark cedar
tired loom
#

I can probably grab you one.

spare bane
spare bane
#

Pleaseeeeeeeeeee

#

KRNR_I is my name, I'm logging in my phone wait

tired loom
#

I'll probably have enough standing next rollover.

#

I'm not high enough MR to farm augments for plat.

spare bane
#

It's ok

spare bane
tidal plover
tired loom
# spare bane Are you on tho?

No, I've gotta leave my Xbox in a separate room and not think about it otherwise it won't download the update I want.

#

Xbox One things.

dark cedar
spare bane
#

Anyways, I'll probably farm citrine just to do something hahahah

tired loom
#

It knows that I want the update so it gives me kilobits for download speeds, but if I pretend that I don't care it actually downloads things.

#

It's sentient, and it wants death.

spare bane
tidal plover
#

I've not setup a Warframe PC account so why is Warframe Forums showing up with a completely different e-mail to the one I linked?

tired loom
spare bane
#

Aihjt

dark cedar
tired loom
spare bane
#

Okay

tidal plover
dark cedar
#

In account settings?

tidal plover
#

Yeah

#

How do I get in contact with DE Support?

dark cedar
#

Quick question, did you have a different email prior before this? And did you log in before linking your email?

tired loom
spare bane
#

In a Dojo already

tidal plover
dark cedar
tired loom
dark cedar
#

Highly doubt it's a hack or something

oblique sequoia
knotty copper
#

Anyone up for leveling up weapons?

spare bane
tidal plover
spare bane
spare bane
tidal plover
#

I sent in a ticket to support anyway so we will see how that goes but my point @dark cedar is this, I can't make a WFM Account without having the right e-mail attached.

#

I probably am just being an idiot.

tidal plover
#

I just would rather like to keep my little PSN Icon if I could XD

spare bane
tired loom
#

Range is really important as it spreads your 4 like crazy.

spare bane
#

That's the first

tired loom
#

Well, I don't like dying.

spare bane
tired loom
#

He's my big goober who tentacles everything.

tired loom
spare bane
deft fox
#

guys what progenator is best opr selling a kuva sobek lich

spare bane
deft fox
#

ok

tidal plover
tired loom
#

I got that Amar's hatred mod from somewhere, I'm definitely swapping out my steel fiber for it.

spare bane
#

It should be replied for chicken

#

Sorry!!!!!

tired loom
#

But my current build is really good for not having good arcanes, I think.

spare bane
#

On hydroid

tired loom
#

Also the range will let you cast your rain and tentacles further out

spare bane
coarse basin
tired loom
coarse basin
#

just shield gate with tidal impunity and catalyzing shields + brief respite

tired loom
#

I like your funny words magic man

spare bane
# coarse basin you shouldnt be running either

Melpomene! Oh mask of Tragedy! Give me your knowledge on Hydroid!

I wanna ask if....

A

Tri umbral + Persistence with rage and Omamori....................................................................................good for Hydroid?

#

M-Mask of Tragedy?

tidal plover
#

@dark cedar Would it just be easier for me to make a PC Account even though I'd like to keep the PSN Logo on WF or what?

dark cedar
pliant trench
#

it circle icon

#

that mean u got 2 or more platform use in single acc

tidal plover
coarse basin
#

:p

tidal plover
tidal plover
tired loom
#

I don't have much better armour wise, I just picked the game back up a couple months ago. AND BARO HASN'T HAD ANYTHING

pliant trench
tidal plover
#

Whats wrong with that @pliant trench

pliant trench
#

u can check in market

pliant trench
tidal plover
#

I'm so confused.

red path
#

best armor mod is from simaris

pliant trench
#

for others kind it more to utility than dmg

coarse basin
#

generally to health tank you need at least one ability to support it

pliant trench
tired loom
#

If he comes back this weekend and doesn't have anything we should lock him in that tomb he loves so much.

pliant trench
#

i agree

red path
#

last new primed mod was primed archgun toxin iirc

tidal plover
#

Whatever happens with this support ticket happens I guess.

spare bane
red path
#

well of life

spare bane
pliant trench
#

not to mention certain mechanic it does, u can still get one shot

spare bane
fair ibex
#

okina prime incarnon achieved ๐Ÿ™‚

spare bane
coarse basin
pliant trench
coarse basin
pliant trench
#

hold the f up, where ur pilfering augment??

spare bane
spare bane
#

It's been that for a while, spammy

spare bane
pliant trench
#

imma regret saying this, if u keep going for ur "forbidden" build this isnt correct place

spare bane
#

I'm not going to the norms.... I want to know how to make it work while making it like this

Farming Hydroid? Nah

I'm going CC Hydroid, I'm using Viral Tempest

But I'll be getting pilfering just incase

pliant trench
#

try reddit instead - there ton of craze wanna be on that platform

heady copper
#

its a pretty normal build he just doesnt have an augment on

obsidian aspen
#

I don't know if Plunder increases the status effect procs of his abilities or if it's just the damage

spare bane
#

Anyone can help me? At first I was thinking health tanking

But now shield gate

#

So I wanna know how to make it powerful

#

This is the build

#

Yeah it's an Omamori Hydroid

obsidian aspen
#

I assume you're using Archon Cont simply for the higher stats

spare bane
obsidian aspen
#

nah it's got the same Duration boost as Primed so keep it

#

I'd maybe swap Nira's Hatred for Stretch

spare bane
coarse basin
#

could try the 2 augment

obsidian aspen
#

Range affects either the radius of Tempest or the AoE of the raindrops, can't remember which

coarse basin
#

tidal impunity

obsidian aspen
spare bane
#

Idk about the shield gate method tho tbh... I might follow what Melpomene said, the classic shield gage

spare bane
spare bane
obsidian aspen
#

Do note that his 2 has a Status Cleanse by default, Tidal Immunity just gives you some status immunity after it as well

#

the mod description is a bit misleading

pliant trench
#

shield gatin happen when u max shield value drop 0, you will get iframe for few second
shield gate mechanic just
equip mod that replenish shield via skill spamming
energy = shield,

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it doesnt have cooldown tho - so it happy exploit tank method

spare bane
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And I Jusy realize his 2 is a good panic and CC moment too

obsidian aspen
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His 2 also gets its energy cost reduced to 5 if you use it while it's still active

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and IIRC. you can jump to cancel it early

spare bane
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Oh????

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Huh.... Hmmm

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And your invulnerable in that window too

obsidian aspen
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I like using his 2 to group enemies for Plunder, since Plunder isn't an AoE around Hydroid, it's based on the player's line of sight

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if you can see the enemy, Plunder hits them

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doesn't matter if there's a wall between them and Hydroid

pliant trench
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interesting, i only exploit his 1st and 3rd - usually camping hydroid method

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what situation u be use on his 2nd

pliant trench
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yea my chat delay b4 it send properly

obsidian aspen
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the 2 pulls enemies along and tries to place them down in front of you as you stop

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kinda similar to Sandstorm's melee cancel

tidal plover
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I'm still very much paranoid

pliant trench
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why dont go deluxe paranoia by now

fair ibex
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yeah its a dlc i think

pliant trench
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it free, anxiety that already built in

fair ibex
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bargin

random spear
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Put Gloom on Gauss, good or bad idea? The idea I had with it was that, instead of focusing on speed, I focus on slowing everyone else down. Pretty sure the slowness scales with Ability Strength but I could be wrong.

obsidian aspen
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Thermal Sunder already does that pretty much

random spear
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You make me feel dumb bc that's the thing I replaced.

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But then again Gloom is constant and requires less energy, idk.

woven bloom
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Thermal sunderless Gauss

obsidian aspen
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Gauss ideally just has no Infusions tbh

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his kit synergizes very well

random spear
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Yeah that's fair. I could run two archons on him, but idk if that's a good idea.

Actually I should ask that.

Archon Vitality and Archon Intensity, I think are the two. Fire and Ice.

Would they work well with Gauss? I have his Prime and I need to buff him up eventually.

trim bobcat
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If you want to have a PSN acc, while having a PC account separated

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You need to link your PSN acc to your main acc

spare bane
obsidian aspen
random spear
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I was thinking of the wrong one

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There's a cold one

pure gulch
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flow

obsidian aspen
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Archon Flow, the Cold-based Archon mod, is also just not great outside of its Energy stat

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10% chance to drop 1 Energy orb every 10 seconds

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so use it if you don't have Primed Flow, but its passive is pretty meh

random spear
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Where are primed mods from again? I'm gone for a month or two and I forget everything.

spare bane
obsidian aspen
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there's also the Umbral mods which are technically primed mods

random spear
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What's the highest possible Base Armor (specifically like with mods) that one can achieve? I'm around 1,800 on Nidus I think. I might be wrong

obsidian aspen
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"base armor (specifically like with mods)"

heady copper
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do we include abilities. to count base armor

gusty turtle
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Oh, sorry

obsidian aspen
gusty turtle
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My brain isn't working :(

heady copper
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not the roundest circle are ya

gusty turtle
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I'm going to eat you

heady copper
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promise?

gusty turtle
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Need to calculate it

obsidian aspen
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Valk Prime, tri-umbral, Amar's Hatred

gusty turtle
obsidian aspen
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full squad with Stand United would boost it even further

gusty turtle
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Underframe doesn't have stand united as a buff

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Also it had Valkyr's abilities enabled. Here's the actual value

woven bloom
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What about with health conversion?

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Or we talking minimal setup/always active?

gusty turtle
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We are talking base

obsidian aspen
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just base armor with mods

gusty turtle
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No conditional buffs or anything like that

obsidian aspen
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before any setup

radiant knot
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Wonder what's a decent AR to use at MR8

deep ruin
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most likely some kuva/tenet one

gusty turtle
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Assault Rifle?

deep ruin
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it would be hard to find better weapon for this mr

gusty turtle
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Tenet Tetra is really cool IvaraSippy

radiant knot
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Yeap

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Time to do some corpus things

deep ruin
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tetra would be ok AR i guess

woven bloom
obsidian aspen
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true that

gusty turtle
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So we get to 6825

heady copper
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6825 times of me punching you

woven bloom
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Coaction drift in exilus

heady copper
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stand united gives armor

woven bloom
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Coaction drift buffs it by 15%

random spear
obsidian aspen
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it's diminishing returns so you'll have like 85% at 1K armor, and then 6K will be like maybe 90%

deep ruin
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so 95.6% dr

random spear
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Jeez. So like 4.4% damage to health is taken

gusty turtle
gusty turtle
heady copper
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ur literally welcome

gusty turtle
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I didn't mean to send just "please"

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I was supposed to make a joke now it looks like I'm begging you to do it

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I am going to explode

fair ibex
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LOL

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suuuuuure

heady copper
gusty turtle
tidal plover
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I'm still confused how to make a WFM Account

lusty blaze
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how to get the scenes in cathedral when you chose to be in relationship with either marie or roath?

woven bloom
woven bloom
trim bobcat
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Did not know heliocor can scan enemies while killing them

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Would make a nice weapon for murdering kavats while in stealth

woven bloom
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Dante's Noctua works as well.