Legendary weapons are your true path to success in maps
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pallid loom
if we had some sort of idea what these are and whats needed to make them. it would prob give more scope to everything about maps were meant to be testing
livid acorn
Mainly they are used for people who don’t have dlp
Legendary weapons are going to require multiple things:
- DLP weapon
- a reagent from maps
- a reagent from a pinnacle map boss
- a reagent from crafting (I think)
pallid loom
Legendary weapons are going to require multiple things:
1) DLP weapon
2) a reag...
alright. will this be something we craft one of and were good to go? or are we going to have to farm 20 prisms to make enough dlp weapons to make multiple legendaries
for one class
livid acorn
It would be a legendary per element. You could make a bunch
pallid loom
livid acorn
Maps are slow burns!
Not intended to be done in a week
But what you can do is get legendary #1 and leylock your keys to the map where it works towards
Also legendaries will still be very powerful in other maps
It will just be super powerful in the map it’s good against
quiet anvil
It would be a legendary per element. You could make a bunch
That is pretty brutal for a game that encourages people to play many classes though. That's probably a side topic, it's always a bummer changing to a class you don't have bis stuff for from one that you do
I know you guys are still cooking though
pallid loom
gonna need a lot more mainland 35-50 content for people to cool off in after running maps then if thats the plan lmfao. and multiple dlp like things that drop prisms
livid acorn
gonna need a lot more mainland 35-50 content for people to cool off in after run...
That’s the idea!
Maps are just one activity
pallid loom
as of right now with this info that was just presented. i dont care to do high level maps if thats what it takes at the higher end. consuming my dlp weapon for one single element of one single weapon for one class feels terrible.
if you kept the original 36-40 maps weapons limited how they are with only a few resists per weapon type forcing you to switch classes. but made the crafted ones that consume dlp have like a 'prismatic' damage proc and 'prismatic' resist that was effective against all element types. and just added more punishing mechanics at the higher end to force people to switch classes and create the weapons for those classes, or duo run them. would be interesting. idk how feasible that is. man can dream tho
maybe thats what the ubers supposed to be tho?
stray sorrel
if we had some sort of idea what these are and whats needed to make them. it wou...
Just play the game
pallid loom
Just play the game
been. got sick of the maps and 40+ loop and made a hc 😂
get 5 more levels so you can enchant the maps
idle timber
To this i say it depends what class, melee always close so gonna take more damage and have difficulty dodging stuff
Divine maps are bugged 1 mob too much, also that mob is ass
They have chance to apply map debuff
idle timber
And on the weapons really only being used by people that dont have dlp
Why the hell is drop rate so low them
70 keys last couple days
0 weapons
stray sorrel
70 keys last couple days
trading post
gold gen from keys just needs to be adequate to be able to cover the low drop chance
idle timber
gold gen from keys just needs to be adequate to be able to cover the low drop ch...
yes Zorg my beloved you are always correct
but on a more serious note i have run high lvl maps wich are supposed to drop more but i got all weapons when running low lvl maps
no clue what drop rate is but it feels decreasing when going to higher maps
not increasing
reef shard
I missed a lot so a few things:
New damage calculations certainly sound more forgiving. Could test it a bit to make sure it is not too easy this way. The middle ground might be to increase the atk speed or cast frequency, or give them all an imbuement effect on melee hits which does 50% phys and 50% elemental damage. (all elemental might be too easy to overcome once resist gear is in place)
The level 40 weapons are great. Lower dps than DLP, but higher def in the right situation. Arguably BIS for tanks. Decent for healers in some situations. I don't really see the value of the 36 weapons except that maps start at 35. I wish you could upgrade them somehow or they would fall off the drop table once monster hit lvl 40-41.
Telling people they need to swap classes and then telling people those classes need to keep swapping gear is creating an order of magnitude on farming and storing items that is going to discourage players. The final legendary item being 1 of 11 different forms is really anticlimactic.
idle timber
I missed a lot so a few things:
New damage calculations certainly sound more f...
what i heard from leggies talk is that its 1 of 11 elements but its still stronger then dlp
dlp you only have 2 options divine and shadow
whit these more elemetn options and assume stronger then DLP variants
all speculation at this point to since we havnt seen actualy numbers
reef shard
Yeah but its different when it is damage dealt vs resistance. Imagine picking nature as the element just to have every monster resistant to you and no monsters weak to you as opposed to Demonic where you are resistant to end-game dungeon bosses.
idle timber
Yeah but its different when it is damage dealt vs resistance. Imagine picking na...
yeah will prolly see most people gravitate to 1
untill they add diffrent dungeons
and the biggest thing to not make the same mistake as 40 weapons
have divine ressist and deal divine damage
it should be divine ressist and deal shadow damage easy
green carbon
where da image i put in here
idle timber
far out
green carbon
unfinished example item (NOT scaled)
- more DPS than DLP
- more 'effect' DPS than DLP
- more stats than DLP
- phys? lightning dam?
- free 25-50% resistance
- crit? raw dam%?
key t10+ gameplay target
- swap relic (or stay)
- swap weapons
- use defensive elixir
- passive talents/acquirables
- 75%+ res / map ready in 3-4 clicks
idle timber
Legendaries prolly still 6 months out at least sadly
idle timber
Its a hunch
green carbon
ur reverse psychology might work
pallid loom
# unfinished example item (NOT scaled)
- more DPS than DLP
- more 'effect' DPS t...
now show the stats of those shark claws >_>
green carbon
no stats on them atm just prototype, just scale the 1h appropriately for an idea
pallid loom
deal 2k water damage to self on it
so basically just trying to fight a map mob normally while solo?
idle timber
so basically just trying to fight a map mob normally while solo?
but @green carbon can i get some actual numbers on drop rate for map weapons and increase per tier
idle timber
ur reverse psychology might work
Is it reverse psychology or just truth
green carbon
reverse psychology meaning u are roasting us so we get them out faster
it might work 
idle timber
A man can dream
green carbon
pallid loom
https://tenor.com/bPV2j.gif
livid acorn
the pacing of duos looks so nice
idle timber
yeah its nice even @pallid loom woulkd agree
pallid loom
yeah its nice even <@1401803483082133608> woulkd agree
yayayaya. mana vixen is mean tho
idle timber
yayayaya. mana vixen is mean tho
yeah dave what are we supposed to do against that 1
cant interupt
just big aoe
wich kills you
livid acorn
Do you want me to give it away?
livid acorn
I'll give you a hint: notice what is coming out of your character when you are debuffed
i'd move back while the mana vixen is casting to get distance
bc mana vixen gets -30% MS on purpose
pallid loom
bc mana vixen gets -30% MS on purpose
if only the hud was working so we could see that XD
idle timber
i can finnaly rest
reef shard
idle timber
grim dove
Getting hit by a melee attack for half your health 😱
Definitely seems achievable without kiting /s
idle timber
Getting hit by a melee attack for half your health 😱
Definitely seems achievab...
its not
also just not worth
better run low lvl maps in half time
was just fun challenge cuz 1 shot
als i died at the second to last mob cuz missed the dodge
green carbon
What’s your lightning res atm?
Also just note that progression isn’t in place, you’re playing roughly a 30% complete system atm
But almost clearing t20 is dope, gz!
The bug where they get perma stuck in place is weird
idle timber
What’s your lightning res atm?
Also just note that progression isn’t in place,...
0 was just trying to clear
extremly difficult to cuz get 1 shot but know grimbear mechanic to perfection
fucked up at second to last mob sadly
green carbon
Grimbear God
idle timber
i know we arnt supposed to clear this high yet cuz lots of stuff not here yet
was just fun
green carbon
For sure, the fact that it’s fairly tough besides the bugs atm means there’s at least a good baseline of progression
So when we add the other power sources it’ll make it more manageable to complete and lower the time per key
On that note - 10m/key feels pretty good I assume?
idle timber
yeah 10-12 seems good
idle timber
yeah havnt noticed anything
86 keys whitouta drop
was duo whit @reef shard but he got 1 shot so had to do last 3 alone
idle timber
The bug where they get perma stuck in place is weird
Yeah it happens whit lots of mobs i have nu clue how to replicate it
green carbon
next time it happens can u ping me and i can check the live monster log
idle timber
I think even he would say its impressive to Dodge all grimbears aoes
green carbon
true
idle timber
or he says: didnt beat it naked whit no buff whit blindfold so doesnt count
green carbon
idle timber
alr now i need to actually kill 1 mob completed naked
livid acorn
😤
idle timber
alr now i need to actually kill 1 mob completed naked
I had a mob at 2k hp while naked
But missed the dodge
livid acorn
pretty nice!
idle timber
i think overall my map experience has been pretty good. they are fun,engaging and the thing that has been keeping me busy the last couple weeks. now i will take a map break till other aspects are added like legendaries
livid acorn
good to hear
idle timber
took about 90/100 hous for me to max out maps
but i did get boosted to 7 by ryan so only 13 farmed myself
livid acorn
Definitely falls around a good progression range
im curious how other classes are performing, esepcially ranged classes
i need data from hunter, elementalist, shadowcaster, duskbow, etc
livid acorn
i will still do some testing on melee, but I feel like I fixed a good number of those mobs to at least not be stupid
idle timber
i will still do some testing on melee, but I feel like I fixed a good number of ...
yeah and soulbreaker no longer casting for 2 hours
livid acorn
lol
idle timber
might actualy hit now
livid acorn
maybe
idle timber
i need data from hunter, elementalist, shadowcaster, duskbow, etc
elementalist felt pretty bad
very low single target damage and aoe farming not happening
shadowcaster seems alright but the issue is needing to stand still whil casting most things so aoes are problem
idle timber
Idk i just remember make the food give 5% damage boost
idle timber
Rn it just gives move speed and hp
And compass need to be lvl changed so its easy to swap to lower tiers
errant stag
Alright, I've hit level 35 and have 35 melee / medium armor. I have only done 2 maps so this is by no means an exhaustive list of feedback but rather fresh thoughts in my mind after doing two of them:
- Easy to understand (in a good way), pretty straightforward. I like that the nuance is in the enemy abilities and the maps are "simple", it's not overly complicated with regards to navigation (though again, only finished 2)
- Cool looking maps, felt good to use my mama bear cloak. Only complaint about the Thunder Ridge map is the two empty areas, the area with the camp and the area up top near the end on the right side don't have anything, just empty space (I dont' know if enemy spawns are hand picked or random, might be why)
- I'd like to maybe see gathering nodes in these that scale with the area level. Could improve their potential reward / econ value as well since they are all yours vs competing in world (when the game has an actual population of course)
- A bit samey with it being the exact same mobs all throughout. I think it would be cool if each of these had a boss at the end but I realize that's a much larger scope to balance etc
- I realize it scales, however the value proposition in terms of exp is currently quite low compared to what I could be doing in the OW. As an example I can be killing mobs that give 5k exp per kill or I can do these that give 1.2k
- I don't know what Chronostones are or why I should care about them. I know the vendor exists in CT but I'm moreso referring to this in a meta way, as in the average player might not get this. Better explaining the reward structure and the emphasis behind it would be good I think
My primary takeaway is while they are fun and definitely much prettier than the OW (at least currently), I don't really know why I'd run them. If the idea is these Chronostones are omega important, that is something that wasn't impressed on me. The exp is way lower and no notable drops (though I know there are more to come).
errant stag
Impression of the Chronostone store:
Took some time to peruse the offerings from Christoph to see if I could extrapolate the value from Chronostones. I believe I understand some of it:
- I can buy a Tierstone to increase the level of my maps
- Conversely I can buy an essence of regret to go down a level
- I assume Time Spice is used in cooking?
- Lunarion Meat recipe, also for cooking
- Leylocked Key blueprint: allows me to specify the map element type (this is a cool mechanic)
However, I have no idea what "Scroll of Leylocking", "Lesser Leyline Soul Jar" and "Greater Leyline Soul Jar" do. Having more info in the tooltips for these would go a long way as right now it's entirely vague. All of this being said, none of this instantly jumps out to me as something I NEED to buy, which goes back to the "why would I want to engage with the Map system?" train of thought. The "hook" isn't evident to me other than leveling up my map tier.
upper lichen
Anyone fancy a day at the beach?
upper lichen
The manor sleepeth, yet never dreameth alone. The deep dark hungereth still. There lieth a place where names were unmade.
pallid loom
bro is showing everyone my office >_>
green carbon
bump
idle timber
Main things:
Food:misses damage buff
Compass: swapable tiers
Unique monster drops
pallid loom
imo the price of the talents is an insult to players. getting 500 to learn its a measly 1% talent. player time spent, not rewarded equally. same thing for the dark crystals quests that take 500 quest completions to get 1%.
the 2 deadlands items that had effects you could activate from bag, being changed so you cannot use them from bag has also made deadlands fully skippable content, along with hills and sporehaven and seething brood dungeon. nothing of value from these activities
going to add in, the mummy boss and kresh not having quests tied to them, also makes them mostly skippable as well. the reward incentive is not there
livid acorn
It takes around 30 seconds per minigame run for that activity. The main value proposition of it is the jewelcrafting experience without the need for gems. The 1% thing was an easter egg. Anyways, that's 250 minutes = 4.16 hours to get 1% damage. In the grand scheme of things, this is infinitesimal compared to grinds in other games.
It takes around 10-15 minutes per map to get, let's say 10 chronostones (and let's assume you have no modifiers to get more). If you don't spend chronostones on anything except those all res talents, that's, conservatively, 12.5 hours of grinding, on average to get those. It's longer than the 1% damage buff, but since the mapping activity is a slow burn content that is something to engage players for much longer than 12.5 hours, I think this small percent is fine.
Xavier's Battlestaff has one of the highest Int values for that level, making it very strong if you were to equip it at-level. (I attached Lost Echoes as comparison) Xavier's Battlestaff is 34 more int. And this does not include the benefit you get as a spellcaster wielding this staff. And Deadlands has one of the strongest items in the game, arguably (the kathanoz ring duo). Also, its items all increase demonic damage, making a lot of the items incredibly strong for classes that deal demonic damage.
Sporehaven depths allows you to get sleeping spores, which is a trinket that allows you to put mobs to sleep (which will be important when I buff dungeons so that you are going to need to not multi-pull). There is also an epic necklace you get that restores health to nearby enemies. There is also a 1% nature resist talent you get.
The mummy boss gives you the loofah, which is important for bleeds. It also gives you a necklace that gives you another life, essentially, which is good for tanks and hardcore players. I do agree that we should add a quest for the mummy. Kresh is just a vanilla open world boss.
Long story short, we are setting up the game so that you can do whatever content you want. If you don't want to to deadlands or sporehaven, you don't have to. It's side content that we want to add to the game that can give some value to players if they so choose it
pallid loom
i can run one instance of one dungeon and get a weapon that gives permanent 3%dmg increase. 5 mins for that. so yeah the 1% for that amount of time is really bad. we tested the kathanoz ring duo. wasnt worth using over other jewelery. epic necklace to restore health to nearby ENEMIES? why would anyone ever use that 😂
livid acorn
whoops typo
nearby allies sorry lol
10% armor pen on one player is not worth it?
that's mathematically impossible
for group play, it's 100% worth it for one party member to have it
livid acorn
i can run one instance of one dungeon and get a weapon that gives permanent 3%dm...
you're also not keeping in mind that these items will be part of a larger economy where you can just buy these on the trading post instantly
pallid loom
for group play, it's 100% worth it for one party member to have it
did you test in a group of people actually playing the game? 🤔
livid acorn
it's 10% armor pen!
for all incoming damage
more people, more impact. Sure, for solo idk how much worth it
but for groups definitely worth it
livid acorn
i can run one instance of one dungeon and get a weapon that gives permanent 3%dm...
whcih dungeons for the 3% damage staff?
like dragonspire?
you're still losing 37 int
pallid loom
whcih dungeons for the 3% damage staff?
didnt specify staff. comment was in relation to time it takes to get a 1% dmg talent. 1% seeming to be time spent not rewarded equally when i can run 1 instance of rift and get 3% permanent within 5min
livid acorn
oh I see
you dont need to get the 1% damage buff though
if you really want to min-max it's there
pallid loom
yeah so what i said is accurate then. entirely skippable content. rewards not worth time it takes to get them. if you wanna min max sure, but its just stuff added that people can ignore. you agreed that its accurate for sporehaven and deadlands as well. curious tho why is seething brood like that? i guess it will be dif if the dungeoneer path actually does something
livid acorn
You are more than welcome to skip whatever content you like. Nothing is "required" nor do we want to incentivize you needing to do everything in order to be viable. There are many different ways you can play the game. If you want to skip all the dungeons and just go for RDT, you can. If you want to do all the dungeons and get every possible reward/get gold to buy every possible reward, you can do that too.
Just like in WoW, you don't have to do Wailing Caverns at all, just keep questing and eventually get stronger items
but people still do it because they want to get venomstrike (which is 17% chance drop, so often requires multiple runs)
but you can basically get a better bow in a few levels
idle timber
What map types were added while i was gone @livid acorn
livid acorn
Earth + Shadow
idle timber
Alr tomorrow i might have some time to test them
Gotta ask ry to derank my compass again i guess
idle timber
reef shard
Shadow map... The debuff is nuts. It works on the new spawns too and the new spawns can add stacks, and also it procs on them too. It is chaos. It is clear there is a delay in it like a proc would have, but still... Maybe make the portals have set low health so there is a mechanic to swap targets and avoid new spawns.
Also on the imp map, I kill everything and there were still several monsters in my system log where it said I needed to kill more. It may have been some monsters spawning under the workd or something from debuff, but i dont know.
Light Sphinx map did not complete when done. Said there was a monster left, but there was not
Earth map, the faces you can make into more monsters. They are from corrupted grove. Also, I usually get a short message which I have never been able to read because it is one of those annoying quick messages that doesnt go into your log but just pops up somewhere like the hitting lvl 30 in a tradeskill messages that get you a talent.
idle timber
Light Sphinx map did not complete when done. Said there was a monster left, but ...
@livid acorn seems divine maps are still bugged having 1 too many mobs
livid acorn
Shadow map... The debuff is nuts. It works on the new spawns too and the new spa...
I can adjust that np
livid acorn
<@139164545297022976> seems divine maps are still bugged having 1 too many mobs
I played around with this last night for an hour or so. There is something funky going on for sure
livid acorn
Shadow map... The debuff is nuts. It works on the new spawns too and the new spa...
ok so I made it so that visions of the void spawns a portal with 10% of the health of the mob you dealt damage to. I also removed the status gain from the shadow bolt from the spawned minions
i will also increase the ICD of the proc to 30 seconds from 20. So max 2 portals per minute
idle timber
these summons are the first ones not too suck
happy to see @livid acorn
also for some reason my guy keeps untargeting
livid acorn
these summons are the first ones not too suck
haha glad you like em!
quiet anvil
also for some reason my guy keeps untargeting
left click and right click sometimes untarget if it's on the ground i think
quiet anvil
yea, new bug
idle timber
Also shadow maps say that there are 34 mobs
But i killed alot and still had 15 left at the end
idle timber
shadow maps feel extremly
bad
1 stack is enough to just have infinite of these spawning in
either make portals a 1 or 2 shot
or make portal do big aoe pull instead of summoning a mob
since everyone ahtes summons
livid acorn
i did make a change to make it 10% of the mobs health
and have it only spawn up to 2 times per minute
server probably didnt update yet
idle timber
what drop rate on these @livid acorn
livid acorn
HOLY
livid acorn
what drop rate on these <@139164545297022976>
pretty f'ing rare
if you're running t20 it's pretty rare
but obviously it all scales
livid acorn
oooh
idle timber
if you're running t20 it's pretty rare
so you are talking max lvl maps?
livid acorn
basically what I've told people is that these are min-max finds. They are extremely rare and not required to complete maps, and we want these to be worth a ton
you're not grinding for these specifically
livid acorn
could it be partly the spawned mobs?
idle timber
well i checked and seems not
idle timber
this mob is fun
kinda weird that you cant stand directly behind it to block the attack but have to be a few tiles away from it
idle timber
shadow map needs a wall removed so you can actualy make a full circle in the first area, rn you have to walk back past mobs you have already killed to the other side
then do the same thing and move to the other area
idle timber
earth map i think is my favorite map type rn
all the mobs feel good to me
think beats out fire for best map type
quiet anvil
These recipes should have a lvl 35 100% craft imo.
idle timber
Yeah
quiet anvil
Still can't complete Hall of Heroes. At least on Etherslan Embryo maps
quiet anvil
Night Prowlers got a few things off I think.
- Their shadow resist feels crazy high (see vid for really low dmg)
- their shadow visage has a weird outline that shows when hovering them
- For classes that don't have a stun, it feels really bad to have no way to interrupt Stalk. No, I don't want to carry a million darts and take up another inv slot D:< It adds so many stacks and you can't do anything cause you're typically blinded.
- When you click a shadow visage chat gets a message for enemies remaining but it doesn't decrease.
Also the Darkreach manor is bugged. After killing all Night prowers I have 15 left to kill. I also don't have the ability to "Leave Map" when right clicking my name. You also get an error stating you can't log out.
green carbon
Got your note also
quiet anvil
Got your note also
the logout one? :p
idle timber
can see here at the end kill all mobs still 15 left
.
quiet anvil
livid acorn
you mean dark delve?
green carbon
What triggered this one?
quiet anvil
What triggered this one?
In the manor/delve map (whatever has night prowlers). I couldn't leave so I tried to "Log Out" got an error that I couldn't. Then I tried to summon another map, tried to enter, stuff went haywire and then that popped up.
green carbon
Kk
livid acorn
Night Prowlers got a few things off I think.
1. Their shadow resist feels crazy...
dark delve has a mechanic to avoid the blind attack
you gotta figure it out 🙂
ill check on the shadow res, but all elemental maps have 85% resistance of that element
quiet anvil
You can fall off the bridge in Hell's Precipice and get stuck.
green carbon
I can come port you soon
quiet anvil
np, i just left the map
livid acorn
You can fall off the bridge in Hell's Precipice and get stuck.
ill fix this
reef shard
Will there be some kind of fix to get all the players who were >30 before the map questline was implemented able to get on the path, or do we just request? I keep running maps and havent really kept track of how many...
On another note, many fragments are missing the right click to learn recipe
green carbon
On another note, many fragments are missing the right click to learn recipe
fixed for next patch
green carbon
Will there be some kind of fix to get all the players who were >30 before the ma...
path also fixed for next patch
reef shard
Awesome ty!
I will leave poor Chisme alone then 😛
Christoph has reverted back to selling Essence or Purity etc when you right click>trade, but if you space to talk then trade he sells the chronostone stuff
green carbon
Interesting Kk will check
idle timber
why isnt this tradeable
livid acorn
Only the products of those reagents are tradeable
livid acorn
Or pay a cook
livid acorn
Well we wanted one of the two things to be soulbound, so it was a matter of determining which we prefer.
If the product was soulbound and not the reagents, it allows reagent trading (better gold->chronostone conversion which could also promote more gold farmers), but you'd still need to be the profession. We prefer this version as it allows a certain profession to excel in a particular class identity by building products that others can't.
idle timber
Well we wanted one of the two things to be soulbound, so it was a matter of dete...
alrighty
idle timber
Well we wanted one of the two things to be soulbound, so it was a matter of dete...
is the frost boss a rare spwan or do i need a scpecific key for it
cleared 4 frost maps no boss
livid acorn
it's a key
idle timber
is it a solo boss or group?
idle timber
i dont mind testing it out if you can trow me some keys
livid acorn
@green carbon would need to approve the transaction
idle timber
These recipes should have a lvl 35 100% craft imo.
@livid acorn agree on this feels Realy bad needing 40 crafting for it
livid acorn
Ask Ryan!
idle timber
@livid acorn
livid acorn
He’s done it
idle timber
@green carbon you wana keep ley locking keys at 40 or can you bring it down to 35 blacksmithing?
green carbon
could be ok, let me do some thinking
livid acorn
quiet anvil
When you use the "Ether Fragment" and "Soul Fragment" it says it teaches you the "Aquastar" on the toast alert
green carbon
roger ty
idle timber
@livid acorn shadow maps completing too rn
livid acorn
nice nice
idle timber
also portla can be killed
quiet anvil
1/10 runs or so I get stuck in a "loading world" screen. It does eventually load after about 30s though.
Also, idk if all fragments drop at the same rate. If so some maps are better than others due to the number of mobs
Water 21 enemies, Hall 21, Thunderchargge ridge 24, Titans 24
reef shard
it should be able to be killed
Love the shadow map changes
quiet anvil
on the arcane map mobs fall through the first bridge (maybe more too)
quiet anvil
I'm innocent i swear
reef shard
lightning bound key missing from leylock key recipes. I tried to make one just in case, and it failed.
glossy moat
Start holding your breath irl and when you start seeing stars it's time to go up
reef shard
How am i supposed to see how much air i have left on the drowned maps
Chance of getting a "drowning" debuff when you kill a monster if you have stacks on water maps. It just counts down from 10 or something. gotta get to bubbles. Otherwise there is no limit on air or anything like that
reef shard
true
livid acorn
lightning bound key missing from leylock key recipes. I tried to make one just i...
added for next restart
idle timber
can technically run outta bubbles im guessing
Yep can run out
idle timber
could be ok, let me do some thinking
idle timber
quite a few keys are missing from crafting menu
idle timber
yeah nvm its just lightning
livid acorn
i added lightning for the update
reef shard
Did lightning key get added? Do I have to rebuy the recipe to unlock it? I tried and it failed.
green carbon
should be in, we can give you another
reef shard
ty!
errant stag
It would be a nice UI touch to have the enemy counter for the map be present in the UI, similar to how a MH quest is tracked, i.e. "Kill x (mob name) - 0/34" or whatever. The system log is nice but would like to have it on the UI as well.
Clearing a full map, in which I got 5 chronostones from 22 mobs, and then getting 1 chronostone as the end map reward feels awful. I am on a tier 1 compass but even still that just seems way off.
livid acorn
we used to have a little pop-up that marked parts of a quest progress, but I think some people didnt like it
livid acorn
Clearing a full map, in which I got 5 chronostones from 22 mobs, and then gettin...
the bonus chronostones is tier + 1, so it encourages you to keep upping it
reef shard
lets go with your thing though 😄
livid acorn
lol
tbh I think we need more stuff to spend the chronos ON
@errant stag i should probably give you "the mapper" path
that will help you a lot
reef shard
😭
errant stag
we used to have a little pop-up that marked parts of a quest progress, but I thi...
A dynamic pop up on each kill would be annoying so I'd agree with that. A static counter / objective while in the map would be ideal.
livid acorn
like on the side?
livid acorn
you know I wonder...
maybe I can make a little UI for it
like a progress bar
kinda like d3 rifts
errant stag
That would be cool. Any sort of visual representation would be appreciated.
errant stag
<@214471454337662978> i should probably give you "the mapper" path
I think I have it? I saw it today after the update. It didn't retroactively count my previous maps but I had only done like 5 or so
livid acorn
errant stag
Understood on the formula though. It feels a bit off to have it start so low. But maybe I've just not spent enough time doing them.
My initial reaction was just "only 1? I got 5 from the map itself" but perhaps I'm over valuing the completion of the map for chronostones specifically.
livid acorn
something like this? I think this will also be good because it will create user recall to a rift/map system from other games
errant stag
I think this is great. Much better than nothing.
reef shard
Understood on the formula though. It feels a bit off to have it start so low. Bu...
We originally discussed a bit of a loot table upon completion, but the items that would go into it were not in the game yet... I'm thinking maybe those things are in the game now? Fragments, celestial keys, astral keys, chronostones...
livid acorn
Understood on the formula though. It feels a bit off to have it start so low. Bu...
we are going to have ways to accelerate chronostone gain. There will be talents (one you can get already) and then potentially more drops that add % chance for extra chronostone drop etc
livid acorn
We originally discussed a bit of a loot table upon completion, but the items tha...
could work, but that's ryan's territory
errant stag
We originally discussed a bit of a loot table upon completion, but the items tha...
This does sound appealing. Right now it feels pretty anticlimactic. But I've done like 8 maps so entirely possible I'm just not familiar enough with the system. That's just my initial impression.
reef shard
waaaaaay up here #1434325224312279240 message
That has been consistent feedback. Maps are interesting and fun, but then you complete it and... wait what now? Thats it? I guess I will grab my things and leave?
I have had a lot of fun running maps the last few days. There are nice chase items and with 1-2 other people it is SO much more fun to grind. It also will help when crafting legendaries since we can trade our fragments around
fresh tapir
Just tried one of the boss maps in a party and it put me and the other person got dropped in their own instance. Are boss maps intended to be solo?
reef shard
Yes
livid acorn
they are but I they can be done in groups, just like maps can
let me check the key logic. I may have it on wrong
livid acorn
waaaaaay up here https://discord.com/channels/540514574462615552/143432522431227...
I like the idea of a roll on the regular tables, but often enough, you won't see anything.
I do like the idea of a separate loot table. Rolls on astral/celestial/leylocked keys could be a consistent chance of drops. The talents that I mentioned before could be on that table instead of it being off killing mobs. Would you guys rather have more stuff on mob loot tables or map completion loot tables?
errant stag
Personally I would rather have more on the completion side that scales with your tier as right now that is what feels the most lackluster (to me).
But I have done like 1/1000th of the amount of maps of the other folks so I'd weigh my opinion less
reef shard
I agree with Ren. I think there should be a higher value in finishing the map, rather than seeing how fast you can kill monsters before dying and moving on to the next key. Likewise I think with this condition, the scaling of rewards for finishing could be more significant to encourage players to take their time and complete the highest possible key tier they can.
I think right now there is more of a sweet spot where you want your compass upgraded for better loot, but not too much because that will slow you down. If I can move 25% faster at T10 than I could at T15, then the extra .5% drop rate or whatever it is will not make up for my 25% more kills and chances at the drop table.
errant stag
Well said, Minyo
This also lends itself more to the greater rift / echoes in LE / typical "dungeon" design in other games. That said I do like the mobs in the map being able to drop stuff, like some chronostones here and there, it helps with the pacing so it isn't entirely locked behind the completion.
livid acorn
Ok. I posted this in our internal discord to review
idle timber
on map rn @green carbon whit 1 mob left
errant stag
It's you, Crank. You're the 1 monster that remains.
livid acorn
idle timber
It's you, Crank. You're the 1 monster that remains.
fresh tapir
let me check the key logic. I may have it on wrong
Makes sense. I could see that being an exploit as is that one key can let a party of people each do a boss of their own.
errant stag
Unsure if this is known but mobs in group spawn with increased max hp, but their health doesn't actually fill to the new max
The lizard guys in the Divine map kill themselves and don't count towards the kill count or drop loot(?), not really sure what's happening there
livid acorn
they dont?
errant stag
No, they pulse when they are at like 1hp for a seemingly random amount of time (few seconds) and then just die but no loot/event is triggered
livid acorn
ok
i need to see if the killing entity is plugged in correctly
idk why that's happening. I figured that if a mob dies in the map, it should trigger the event, regardless of who the killing entity is
errant stag
Gotta say I don't really like the shadow map layout. It's non-linear and feels kinda backtracky, compared to say the air map which is a straight line basically. The time to complete is way longer, comparatively.
reef shard
Unsure if this is known but mobs in group spawn with increased max hp, but their...
I love this picture ❤️
errant stag
I love this picture ❤️
Haha. Minyo about to blast that guy!
livid acorn
errant stag
I understand the mechanic is to LoS the ability behind the pillar (which is cool), but I think the hitbox could use some love. As it stands you cannot cast melee abilities at all if they are hugging it and it persists a few seconds after the pillar despawns as well.
Could also force it to spawn a few tiles away from them to guarantee they don't collide with it, but then melee players have to run further for the cast so maybe not a viable solution.
It's weird / confusing to me that this shows up in my buff bar and not my debuffs. Same with the stacking debuff prior to it turning into this.
The shadow portals should probably not drop items or give exp (they currently do both). This seems exploitable in that you could just let them spawn and kill them indefinitely.
Also their hover over has a busted outline.
livid acorn
The shadow portals should probably not drop items or give exp (they currently do...
ill fix the portal drops
livid acorn
I understand the mechanic is to LoS the ability behind the pillar (which is cool...
hmm alright
not 100% sure I understand
errant stag
Basically the hitbox for the spire is much bigger than the spire, so if you are trying to melee them while standing beside it (not behind it), it won't let you cast
livid acorn
so cant you move towards the mob?
errant stag
And it persists for a few seconds after it despawns, so it can be a decent chunk of time before you can attack again
Nah it doesn't matter because the mob is inside the hitbox I think so the collision gets all wonky
livid acorn
i will increase the radius of the tile detection so it casts further
also it was ignoring blocked tiles, which is wrong
that SHOULD help lol
errant stag
Oh, yeah I was gonna say I thought I saw it spawn once like off the navmesh which is bad. Does the cast that you need to LoS have a range? Like can you outrun it?
But yes those should help!
livid acorn
errant stag
Gotcha
Completely unrelated: I really like the Mires of Woe map. I feel like this is a great example of feeling like you're in an otherworldly place. Lots of cool little details. Love all the froggies 🐸
livid acorn
100% I love that map too
errant stag
The trap door is a really nice touch too
errant stag
This is also pretty badass 🔥
errant stag
Unless there's some hidden quest going on here, this tree let's you "reach into the hole" and it gives you the dark armoury key in the Hell's Precipice map
livid acorn
good catch, we will fix
wooden acorn
unrelated...but i have that dark armoury key, what is it actualy used for? xD
idle timber
The shadow portals should probably not drop items or give exp (they currently do...
I think they do
If they dont it feels bad killing them
errant stag
If they dont it feels bad killing them
I suppose, but there's a reason the vast majority of games make it so adds / summons do not drop loot or give rewards -- it's very exploitable. In this case, you could allow the shadow debuff to get to a very high amount, auto attack the mob with your bare firsts to summon the portal, kill said portal, and repeat indefinitely. Could script it to never end. With healing potions / divinity's reach / classes that can heal etc, you could loop this forever, especially if it was a low tier map. Given that keys are meant to be consumable and the content of each map finite, this is problematic.
idle timber
I suppose, but there's a reason the vast majority of games make it so adds / sum...
True but low lvl maps supposed to give almost no high rewards
At high lvl if you would attempt this the mob would just kill you
errant stag
That may be, but there are absolutely people who will intentionally script this in low tier maps and purposefully not upgrade their compass to keep doing it. It's 1k~ exp, silver, bones, essences, keys, and chronostones. I wouldn't say that's no reward.
An alternative solution, albeit more convoluted, would be to allow them to drop loot at a certain map tier. Or perhaps give them their own drop table that is very limited / no exp (or very little exp).
idle timber
That may be, but there are absolutely people who will intentionally script this ...
I guess so but they can also just do this outside of maps
errant stag
In the Thundercharge Ridge map, you can gather from these tall grass nodes and get this item. I am doubtful this is intentional
idle timber
Were mobs are already infinite
errant stag
I guess so but they can also just do this outside of maps
Not for Chronostones though or any other map specific drops, otherwise yes I agree. That could be the alternate solution I mentioned: give them a limited drop pool that excludes these items.
idle timber
Yeah prolly best solution imo
errant stag
I'd agree with that as a reasonable middle ground. @livid acorn for vis
idle timber
I think should be applied to all map summons
Or just remove all summons from maps
Best solution
errant stag
It should definitely be universal, yes.
livid acorn
I agree that summoned mobs should not give loot or experience
it's exploitable
regarding crank's comments about summons in general, it will be a balancing act in figuring out the % of a mob's hp compared to the mob so that it's not too difficult to deal with
The minion of duresss cannot get summoned multiple times, so those will yield experience
idle timber
regarding crank's comments about summons in general, it will be a balancing act ...
thing is summon maps are just twice as slow
so if it wouldnt yield anything
its just a skip
that what i do when i see frost summon
livid acorn
what % of the monsters health would you guys feel as though it's not a nuisance?
idle timber
what % of the monsters health would you guys feel as though it's not a nuisance?
prolly just a tad more then shadow portals
livid acorn
ok
I will set all summons to be 10% of the monster health and see if that feels better
livid acorn
In the Thundercharge Ridge map, you can gather from these tall grass nodes and g...
deleted those. Was not intentional
errant stag
Sounds great, thanks!
errant stag
good catch, we will fix
Same tree / issue is in the Cinderfall map
livid acorn
Kk
errant stag
Just some general feedback: The compass progression doesn't feel good when you're starting out, especially if you didn't actually start doing map content until 40+ like I did. I'm having to fight level 35-36 mobs which pose zero threat and I rarely even see their mechanics. On top of that, the reward structure is worse the lower your compass is so it takes ages to actually level it up to a decent level for appropriately leveled mobs / better drops etc.
Would be nice to have some kind of "catch up" mechanic if you start mapping later on. More chronostones for faster map completion (similar to skipping tiers of greater rifts in D3 if you clear them quick enough), maybe if you're level 40+ you can just buy a +5 compass or something. Anything really. Finding myself pretty bored going through these over and over for miniscule gain trying to catch up to a meaningful level.
idle timber
Just some general feedback: The compass progression doesn't feel good when you'r...
yeah agree
mine got boosted up to t7 my lvl at the time
but low lvl map grinding is pretty bad when you are 40+
errant stag
Indeed :\
livid acorn
Ryan would have to weigh on the progression part.
errant stag
@green carbon would appreciate your thoughts on the above when you have the time ❤️
livid acorn
My suggestion, if I had the ability to suggest, is to add a differential chronostone modifier between the tier of the map and the player level
need to think on more or else that could be exploitable
Another thing could be giving bonus chronostones based on time of completion, and if you complete it super fast (because you are stronger) you get more.
@errant stag are you blasting through them?
errant stag
Yeah. They are 35-36 mobs and I'm almost 42 with pretty much BiS gear. If I do them duo they get utterly demolished but solo is still very quick.
livid acorn
ok sorry I didnt see your feedback
you said chronostones on faster map completion
i think that makes the most sense as it also encourages optimization
errant stag
Just an example based off how D3 handles a similar situation. I do like the more relaxed state of maps and I wouldn't want there to be a time incentive, personally. I was just positing some potential solutions to catch up when you are way ahead of the curve.
livid acorn
buying the +5 tier thing wont work because paths have checks on each tierstone acquisition
so it would have to be chronostone manipulation
errant stag
Another potential alternative could be having multiple tierstone types that cost less initially and then more as you go up.
As an example: "Novice Tierstone (tiers 1-4) for 100 chronostones", "Adept Tierstone (tiers 5-9) for 200 chronostones" "Master Tierstone (tiers 10+) for 250 chronostones"
That could smooth our the earlier portion a bit, which is a pretty universal progression method in most end game ARPG systems I can think of (Atlas completion in PoE / Monolith progression in LE / rune progression in D4 etc)
Currently it's very backloaded and you spend more time in the earlier tiers which is not how most ARPG progression systems work.
There's plenty of ways to shuffle around the progression, though. Ultimately not my call of course, but I do think the early progression feels bad and I am growing more disinterested in it the longer I'm in the lower tiers. That's my feedback.
livid acorn
Another potential alternative could be having multiple tierstone types that cost...
yes this could also work
idle timber
would it be a possibility to buy keys whit chronos @livid acorn
livid acorn
i dont think so. Keys are able to be posted on the trading post
I like the idea of different tierstones
errant stag
I like the idea of different tierstones
I like the idea of it too, but I'm obviously biased 😄
spiral kindle
I see this has been reported previously, but just wanted to add/update that the Doomsayers ground circles mechanic are very naughty on where they decide to spawn.
Also, every map I've seen so far has been stellar. Nice job, guys.
And the size of the hitbox of those circles is a bit misleading; they appear smaller than the hitbox is.
reef shard
Aqua-spiced elixer gave me jewelcrafting exp. Must be a very nice bottle
livid acorn
just that one?
errant stag
You can "steal" other player's portals, even if they aren't in your party. I just did it by total accident. Pretty sure @cunning berry had just spawned one by the Farwood fountain but they hit the bug where it spawned off the navmesh. I had just logged in, moved like an inch and saw it and immediately was ported into it. Right before doing so, I saw them enter a different portal, presumably one they opened because their first one spanwed in a bad spot (though I'm not sure how I got into it if they couldn't).
Point being, you can just run into any portal
(thanks for the free map)
livid acorn
you must commune with the astral realm in safety of other malicious beings!
errant stag
Haha, I dunno, that seems pretty griefy. Unless it would just put us both in the same map but not in a party if we both entered it? Unsure what would happen in that case. Either way I feel like you should have to be in the party of the portal owner to enter.
livid acorn
yeah we probably should do an owner check
cunning berry
You can "steal" other player's portals, even if they aren't in your party. I jus...
need more? 😂
cunning berry
yeah we probably should do an owner check
party check
errant stag
need more? 😂
Haha nah I'm okie but thanks ❤️
cunning berry
think that was the light map?
errant stag
Yea it was the divine map
cunning berry
seems broke so i just leave em
errant stag
It's only broken if you get the lizard guys, the other mobs are okay from what I can tell
cunning berry
is this rare?
errant stag
😂 don't spawn them in FW, this silly bug always happens. I spawn them in an open field
errant stag
Fair enough haha
cunning berry
sheesh wasps queens are a death sentence
only after phero
mfs flying over everything to mob me lol
cunning berry
Disciple of narun
can see 5 dots on minimap with no monsters there
pretty sure i killed them all too
livid acorn
maybe the bug is still happening
OH WAIT
that's not the divine map. There is a trap door to the underground
livid acorn
i can change that yeah
errant stag
Doesn't do anything when pressed but probably shouldn't be an option (unless I'm missing something)
Ogroid Raider's Ogroid Fury buff states they lose damage resistance in their buff but they do not, or at least it's not shown in the tooltip
Ogroid Raider's Enraging cast just cancels if you walk away - it's as if they are cancelling their cast to keep melee distance on you? Perhaps this is intended to handle the mechanic since it can't be interrupted, I don't know. Feels kinda janky though. (ignore the stun, I was stunned due to the lightning map debuff lingering bug)
livid acorn
I can check that
livid acorn
Ogroid Raider's `Enraging` cast just cancels if you walk away - it's as if they ...
Not intended, it’s supposed to be an enrage based on health
Missing. I will fix
errant stag
Okie dokie, thanks
To be clear, they do finish casting it if you remain still. That's how I got the screenshot for the tooltip bug above. It's just if you move away they cancel it that is the issue.
idle timber
Gotta walk over it you get dropped down
idle timber
sheesh wasps queens are a death sentence
Dont get hit smh
idle timber
@livid acorn residue drop rate seems really low
Got about 20 excellent stones before 1 residue
How many you need to ley lock keys and make coatings
Will never even get close to enough
reef shard
just that one?
Its the only one i tested so I figured I would be specific 😄
errant stag
Kinda sucks this isn't retroactive. I know it's not that many in the grand scheme.
I'm assuming the next tiers aren't retroactive as well for whatever their objectives are, too.
green carbon
They are for the chronostones one
3 maps of each type is pretty reasonable though, otherwise it would barely be a stage if someone pre-ran them all
errant stag
If the next tiers are then that is more reasonable, fair enough. Thanks.
idle timber
I'm assuming the next tiers aren't retroactive as well for whatever their object...
well only if you started playing after patch were its introduced
errant stag
Something weird going on with Frost Wyvern's casts in the Ice map. They seem to double up or something. They don't actually cast twice but the cast doesn't go off until the second time it is cast in rapid succession. Happens on all of the ice blast / ice beam from what I can tell
livid acorn
i wonder if the cast is interrupting itself
errant stag
Yea I dunno. It doesn't happen on the Siphon Heat ability they cast, only the other 2
livid acorn
Frost Wyvern should be fixed. Ogroid raider may have had interrupt on movement, which I removed. See if that helps
errant stag
I'll give them a check later. I'm in meeting hell currently so might be a bit 😭
livid acorn
it wont be live until restart
errant stag
Genuine question, just trying to understand the logic / if I'm missing something: What is the user story for 2h weapons if you have 1h weapons as an option? They are just strictly worse from what I can tell. 1h weapons each get an enchant whereas a 2h gets 1. With the introduction of legendary weapons, by dual wielding you can target two different elements to double up on the legendary effect which gives you more map options at the cost of less targeted resistance, which IMO is an interesting trade off that 2h weapons just don't get to have.
It feels especially bad for classes that have no choice (i.e. Berserker / Paladin). It is one of the main reasons I don't play as a caster despite wanting to. I want to use a staff but dual wielding wands is strictly better. Are there any plans to improve this? In my opinion they should be equitable and the choice is more or less cosmetic.
livid acorn
The proc chance for 2h weapons are higher than 1h weapons. As for elements, not sure if it makes sense targeting two differnet elements
as for enchants, I think we need to do a pass on 2h vs 1h enchant power, but in most games, you can benefit from 2 enchants on dual wielding versus 1
idle timber
it also the crafting part 2 handers require twice the mats which makes sense but you farm way more effecient by getting 1 hander leggy then getting the second 1 while already having a legendary
it wants us to use a jewlcraft station whit 25 slots but there isnt 1
so cant craft the star
errant stag
The proc chance for 2h weapons are higher than 1h weapons. As for elements, not ...
Just for my own edification, apologies: the legendary effect proc chance is higher for the execute or the health threshhold on the legendaries? I dunno if that's all that great if it's just the proc %, isn't a 1h already 50%?
For essences it feels like the proc chance is totally irrelevant though. Having the effects be basically doubled on a 2h would be ideal, though obviously would require a bit of balance in some cases.
livid acorn
yeah it's doubled. Not sure about execute, but from testing them out, you're executing regardless almost everytime
1h I believe has a 33% proc chance on windfury proc and 2h has a 66%
idle timber
1h I believe has a 33% proc chance on windfury proc and 2h has a 66%
I mean thats just 1 hander win agains to
1 hander hits faster
And twice
livid acorn
this isn't autos btw
it's on damage dealt
so idk
berserker with a 2h is gonna proc a lot
idle timber
So autos wont proc the effect?
errant stag
Even if that is the case I don't find that to be compelling enough of a difference, personally. And to return to my previous point, I think it's cool to have the ability to make the choice to wear 2 different weapons to give you more map options at the expense of defense. 2h users just do not have that choice at all which feels bad - less player agency.
idle timber
Even if that is the case I don't find that to be compelling enough of a differen...
Yeah agree 100% being able to not just have 1 type of damage but 2 is way better
Thats why everyone runs 1 dark 1 light dlp weapon
livid acorn
i can kinda understand where you're coming from. I'm not sure how much I agree with having two separate elements at the expense of defense. The design behind these maps are to kinda optimize one at a time. 2h gives you 2, 1-hand weapons worth of resist
If you get a legendary for another element and wear both, you can optimize half of two maps. Seems like more of a player choice
But sure, there is more versaltility with 2, 1-handers
errant stag
If the argument is that the game is being balanced around the notion that the player is crafting 2 of the same 1h for optimal resists and it would be an error to craft two differing weapons, then I would say you shouldn't allow people to do it all as that is going to create a lot of friction for people that make that choice. They'll do this big grind and craft the "wrong" thing and be punished by the game for it. In other words, if player agency exists then there needs to be some level of safety net - especially for something that requires this insane level of grind.
livid acorn
and classes that are required to use 2h weapons do not have that versatility
errant stag
Honestly my suggestion is my initial suggestion from way back when legendaries were first teased, which is to make them like GW2 legendaries - you can swap the resists at a whim and then you get rid of this entirely convoluted mess, to say nothing of the like 200 different items / fragments etc. It just feels over designed and convoluted
idle timber
Honestly my suggestion is my initial suggestion from way back when legendaries w...
Do agree whit this
livid acorn
so you want to grind one legendary
idle timber
Per type
errant stag
Personally, yes. I'm not going to grind more than one in the current iteration either so it's reasonable to me
livid acorn
@idle timber what's your expected time to craft one legendary based on your estimates
you're almost done with 1, granted you have your DLP weapon already
idle timber
<@493840045640253441> what's your expected time to craft one legendary based on ...
Well its hard to say since dont know cinder drop rate
livid acorn
kk, and remember you guys are basing this all off 0 economy, solo self found everything
idle timber
Yep
Well i have done about 100 maps since fragments
Now i have 17 of 1 type
Which i got by trading 4 whit minyo too
100 maps about 10 minutes each
17 hours +25 hours of dlp +5 for completion of dlp weapon. Then farming excelent stones probably 8-10 hours
And then cinder no clue
But this is just rough estimation so guess like 60-70 hours
errant stag
I'm moreso coming at it from a design perspective. You guys are creating a lot of problems that you can solve by reducing the complexity of the design. Just some examples that instantly come to mind:
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Why have a different fragment for every element when you could just have "Astral Fragment" which is turned into "Astralstar" or whatever which would be a generic material used to craft any legendary weapon. Having all of these different fragments and such is just unnecessarly convoluted IMO
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The 1h vs 2h argument which we've already established is problematic for a multitude of reasons, not to even mention essences which are also a problem
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The current system incentivizes you to make 1 elemental type of legendary and then you are stuck farming 1 map type out of like a dozen or so. Why? You're just limiting content you've already made. If the argument is you expect people to craft 1 of every weapon, that is just out of touch I hate to say. Even with a marketplace I don't want to juggle 12 items / gear sets / etc. No way, that just is not fun.
idle timber
For 1 handers
idle timber
I'm moreso coming at it from a design perspective. You guys are creating a lot o...
Yeah i think most people just would farm 1, but if we could swap stats i might get more different types just like in gw2 collecting them all
I think expecting anyone to craft 1 of each elemental type is a bit insane imo
And having 1 just grinding the same map because most efficient doesnt sound fun since we have so much variety
errant stag
It is, especially considering it requires a DLP weapon. Even with trading I am just not that dedicated to the idea of all of this to buy into it.
idle timber
It is, especially considering it requires a DLP weapon. Even with trading I am j...
Yeah i am never going back to that place
Thing is Ryan wanted a precursor like gw2
Sorry gotta really sleep guys ik carch you guys later
errant stag
Which, again, is why I feel like my initial suggestion solves all of this. You create a single legendary weapon (based on weapon type, so a staff as an example) that you can then freely swap the stats/resists on, similar to GW2 legendaries. You are then free to do any map you wish and you have more content. You still need to figure out the 1h vs 2h issue, but this solves a lot of the problems IMO and is way more seamless from the player perspective. This also evokes "legendary" much moreso in my mind.
reef shard
kk, and remember you guys are basing this all off 0 economy, solo self found eve...
We are all working together on it.
livid acorn
I totally understand the abstraction and simplification of the legendary itemization and how it makes sense by evoking more variety because now you can basically do any map. As it stands, there are no plans to adjust the itemization model of the legendaries to allow different resists per maps. The map system is designed to be something that players engage in for awhile, as it is a system that carries into the endgame. We will need to monitor closely how players will engage in this system across all facets, from engaging with a particular map, to fighting the boss, to building legendaries. If the time to complete a legendary essentially solves the map system and takes around 100 hours to complete (as opposed to months for legendary weapons in GW2, +/- how much currency you have), then the goals will be essentially limited to cosmetic grinding. That's not really the angle that we want to take. The maps are an example of diagonal progression, where optimizing the maps will give you greater efficiency to eventually farm the uber items of the map. This was the original vision for the key system outlined in our roadmap.
You shouldn't need to switch gear sets, as legendary weapons account for a large percent of your defense for a particular map. We also introduced (albeit very rare) prismatic enchants that can grant you up to 18% all res on any map, which helps solve that need to switch gear sets.
Each player is going to have their own preference in how they want to engage with the content. If you want to farm one legendary and call it, odds are that you are still going to be able to crush other maps due to the offensive power that it offers. If you want to make it braindead, you do the legendary weapon counter. We still give room for player agency. It's just a matter of how comfy you want to be.
errant stag
Understood. It's ultimately your guy's game and as such you should do what you feel is best. I am by no means saying my suggestions are the best, moreso trying to offer some insights that I've picked up over the years working directly with itemization. I am absolutely the player that is going to craft my counter set (so with the current system, two 1h daggers of my choosing) and maps will be "done" for me, which I feel is a shame because I love the variety they have to offer. But that is just me, I'm not everyone and others may love the idea of having a bunch of weapons for every specific encounter, enchanting each of them, irking out the best combination of all of those things and managing their inventory etc.
I do think the 1h vs 2h needs some further design though no matter how you cut it as it is clearly problematic and allows players to "hurt" themselves which should never be the goal, IMO. But again, your choice.
livid acorn
Understood. It's ultimately your guy's game and as such you should do what you f...
We can definitely look at the 1h vs 2h design
green carbon
2H Enchantments
- right now 2H has a 2x higher chance to proc than 1H
- 300ms GCD means you can spam abilities and trigger procs quickly, so the value of the extra proc chance isn't as high
- WoW has dedicated 2H Enchantments to adjust for some imbalance, we could do this as well
- Some enchants already apply special 2H effects that can be tuned to deal more/less dmg
- still some room to tune/fix this - will GCD change bc 300ms is insanely low? should we make 2h specific enchants w higher values for key enchants? we'll noodle
2H Weapons
- 2H weapons have an inherent damage multiplier to stay competitive w/ DW
- you do lose some flexibility by losing multi-enchant
- radiant/void weps + legendaries give the exact same proc bonus no matter what - DLP is ~100DPS per hand, Leg is ~150ish per hand
- the only thing that matters in the end is the sim DPS; in WoW you might have a 2h spec topping meters even if it's disadvantaged from a particular proc vs DW - class kits make a significant difference and must be considered
Legendaries
- The legendaries are fairly easy to get - even my sweaty ass in GW2 takes about a month of grind to get a legendary w/o swiping, maybe faster now but still a solid investment - that's why they have swapping since the avg person is getting 1-2 a year
- These will take a week or so
- They are powerful in their own right, not even including the resistances - if you stop at 1 set, that's totally fine, because you now have BiS for all content except resistances or executes, which...
- The resistances will be nice-to-have but not mandatory - I mean, crank is clearing t20s naked like a real man should (or in pink pants, close second)
- We want there to be a lot of ways to get resistances to push tiers more comfortably - still building those out
- We can have a system to break down a crafted legendary back into core reagents which would allow some additional shifting
- If system doesn't work out in the end, it's open alpha and we can refactor
reef shard
Running maps with buddies, we are getting under 500xp per kill on lvl 48 monsters. I get 3000 exp alone. Im lvl 47 they are 43 and 40.
Not to derail the ryan post
green carbon
Running maps with buddies, we are getting under 500xp per kill on lvl 48 monster...
Can take a look, might be level diff penalty + division by 3 but not sure
glossy moat
It was me, Archaya and Minyo so 41, 43 and 47
cunning berry
Soul fragment teaches you how to make a aquastar not a soulstar
Soulbreakers in hell precipice also give the wrong amount of XP
errant stag
# 2H Enchantments
- right now 2H has a 2x higher chance to proc than 1H
- 300ms ...
There's some good thoughts and ideas here, but I'm not sure I follow regarding resistances.
Previously Dave stated that his expectation is to have two of the same weapon for the resistance, as a way to optimize for a map type. This creates a negative situation in which player agency is punished if you create two different one handed legendaries.
Conversely, you are saying that they are nice but not necessary, which then has the problem of 2h being worse since now we are in a world where having two different types of one handers is a viable solution.
On top of all of that, while I don't doubt Crank is a good player, he's also doing this as a ranged character. How well would a melee character fare in the same circumstances?
All of this to say I'm still not really aligned on the intent. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance, which is understandable given the nuance and complexity of integrating all of these systems together.
Not trying to be argumentative, it just seems problematic to me.
quiet anvil
if you upgrade your compass while you're in a party you get this error
green carbon
There's some good thoughts and ideas here, but I'm not sure I follow regarding r...
I think it depends on where the final resistance requirements land
If 50% from legendaries is mandatory, it would be problematic
If 25% and 50% is a matter of convenience, it’s not critical to get 2 of the same type
This is where there is room to assess and tweak
green carbon
if you upgrade your compass while you're in a party you get this error
Will fix for next patch
green carbon
Soul fragment teaches you how to make a aquastar not a soulstar
Will fix both for next patch
glossy moat
cunning berry
yall got me messed up
glossy moat
green carbon
whats ur alch lvl?
cunning berry
42
cunning berry
Honestly expected more polish at this point in time
glossy moat
lvl 45 drank 
green carbon
I'd just return later, we'll keep working on it
quiet anvil
On Earthshaper's the pillar can spawn underneath the mob and it line of sights/blocks you from hitting the mob.
errant stag
On Earthshaper's the pillar can spawn underneath the mob and it line of sights/b...
#1434325224312279240 message
I think Dave said he fixed it but I don't know if it's in the live build or not
You are supposed to LoS his cast with the pillar but the hitbox is like 3x the size of the pillar so it screws up the ability to hit the mob. The latter part is what is supposed to be fixed
green carbon
Soul fragment teaches you how to make a aquastar not a soulstar
note on this one, just the message is wrong, it should teach the right recipe
reef shard
surprisingly, its jewelcraft skill that those use
errant stag
Hmmm... Rock juice
reef shard
fancy bottles
errant stag
I mean is that even correct? It sounds like Ryan expected it to be alchemy?
cunning berry
There should probably be a "Master" quest that rewards a item like transmute stone. 🤗
reef shard
Princes cut wind residue set in 14k demon heart
Im sure it is Jewelcraft skill on accident
green carbon
Yea it was accidental, just corrected those
fresh tapir
Portals in party play don't stay open for very long. It makes it hard to get everyone through the portal especially when there is lag from doing multiple maps.
green carbon
Portals in party play don't stay open for very long. It makes it hard to get eve...
we can extend longer - done
errant stag
we can extend longer - done
If it's not too much hassle, this would be good to fix up too. Not really an issue now but with a real player base this would be grief city #1434325224312279240 message
green carbon
that one is somewhat fixed up by this, but it may fail cross-map checks so we have an update for next patch
errant stag
Oh okie. Thanks
green carbon
Soulbreakers in hell precipice also give the wrong amount of XP
can you describe the circumstances in this situation?
you were in the key, they gave a different amount vs other mobs in the same type?
cunning berry
can you describe the circumstances in this situation?
you were in the key, they...
Think I got like 1.3k from them
Other keys I believe I saw 2.8k?
green carbon
kk - any chance you entered the map through a portal which was inside of another map?
or some method which caused them to spawn at base level (35)
cunning berry
Don’t remember but I know for sure they were lvl 47
glossy moat
It looks like the mobs in maps give the same amount of exxp regardless of map tier
idle timber
It looks like the mobs in maps give the same amount of exxp regardless of map ti...
I think in a party yeah
Solo dont think so
Got like 5/6 k for tier20 maps
idle timber
There's some good thoughts and ideas here, but I'm not sure I follow regarding r...
On the melee topic, i agree i do not think its possible for a melee users to do what i did
Which highlights one of the biggest issues whit maps
The mobs auto damage imo should be almost non exsistant
And their abilities should almost 1 shot you at higher ranks so we are forced to do mechanica
idle timber
reef shard
Its an actual hole now! Look at you guys knocking out all this feedback!
green carbon
@reef shard @idle timber
looking at these key recipes, it looks like they already only req level 30, but it's entered as jewelcrafting not blacksmithing atm - but it uses the blacksmithing table
same issue as the res pots
fixing this now
to this point, is 35 a more reasonable level req to craft these?
thinking in practice, higher level = more rare = more valuable to craft -> sell
obviously we have bad gold sinks, so gold isn't that important right now, but assuming we had some, it would make a difference to reward higher level crafters
idle timber
Ahah alrighty nice
I think 35 is good for the keys otherwise you are forcing everyone to lvl to 40 to actually spend their chronos
idle timber
Think 35 os more reasonable
idle timber
30 a bit low
And high lvl crafters are rewarded whit Legendary crafting because need 40 Jewel crafting
idle timber
Nicr
idle timber
Yeah does feel better now
green carbon
ok thats good
reef shard
I agree with 35 skill though.
Regular keys I think between the stone farming and key running along with what you earn from leveling to 40 you should have enough to get 1-2 legendary items.
The Celestial Keys feel common, but with the drop rate of ember, I think they might be too rare, or drop rate too low for ember. Only because by the time I got 17 frags I had maybe 80-90 keys. If people run more leylocked keys than I did or trade frags they could earn 17 even faster than I did which leads to lots of extra frags floating around and not enough Celestial keys and people farming random maps just for key drops.
I see that leading to more frustration than you got from DLP where people could chain it non stop, now they have to farm maps just to get the chance... It is still early who knows I will let you know how it goes for me 😄
idle timber
I agree with 35 skill though.
Regular keys I think between the stone farming an...
Feel the same
green carbon
we can keep dialing it in
reef shard
So far this has been a lot of fun. The maps, the monster mechanics, the crafting, the path and controlling the compass upgrades... The group content has been the best. Getting 5 people ready to do BOC and schedule it is one thing, but maps you can just grab 1 or 2 buddies whenever they are available if you were soloing anyway, and speed things up a lot. Enchanters, brawlers, illusionists (don't talk about infusers) are all super good in maps when other content is straight dps pushing with shadowblade and zerker. Being able to trade frags with people to pick the element you want really encourages trade. I know everything is not perfect in this system yet, but this has been awesome.
livid acorn
Do you feel as though the mechanics from one mob to another is varied enough to stay interesting? That was the real gamble
reef shard
Yeah absolutely. Some involve dodging, some need interrupting, some you can just take the hit because you know the next is the one you need to stun for. Then the effect of what happens when you mess up also varies. Some map effects are worse than others and that is okay. Some monsters are stronger and that's good too I think. Sometimes I open a map and its a monster I know I will probably die at some point in the map, but other times its one that I know I can clear quick. Some dialing in on the outliers will be good, but each map is interesting and unique. Only drawback I can think of is it might be overwhelming for the newer players to try to figure out all the mechanics with so much going on, but personally I choose interesting over simple. Also, that encourages groups/guilds.
Crank just leaves the Demon minion maps without trying 😅
livid acorn
We originally had it set up so that the player was going to see all 5 enemies in one map
idle timber
il stream some boss keys if you wana watch @livid acorn
livid acorn
busy this morning but if you want to record some, that would be helpful. What I will say right now is that the frost smash ability is buggy as the telegraph is not matching the effect range.
idle timber
yeah and you only get like 3 changes at getting crytal before roar
but i dont see a wya to interupt smash
so he destroys it sometimes
livid acorn
yes
the real way to do it is to distance him and turn him away
but it's not working lol
he has 3 sequences that are determined. If you know the sequence, you can anticipate his next move
idle timber
is it really 1/256 @green carbon
reef shard
Did a bunch of maps. got 39 fragments, ~ 85 celestial keys. killed boss 81 times (i died some), now I'm out of celest keys. Not really feeling like starting all over farming more maps for more celest keys.
green carbon
fragments too abundant
keys could be a bit more common
fresh tapir
Do you feel as though the mechanics from one mob to another is varied enough to ...
So far I think that the mechanics differences between the mobs is really solid. The Queen Wasps with the pheromone to pull others, Might Eagles with the large wave of air tornadoes to dodge, or some Arcane Nexus mobs being able to teleport you to another area of the map. These all feel distinct and keep the player engaged. I think doing maps at the level intended will feel better as the first few tiers of the compass mobs died too fast to really do mechanics. But the later tiers you have to stop and plan a bit more, and be careful of not pulling too many mobs.
Only mechanic I'm not fond of is Sunken Depths with the breathing. That is like a 50/50 for me being able to complete the map by how often the mechanic seems to trigger needing air.
Would love to see more engaging mechanics like the runes in the Hell's Precipice map, forget the name of the mob, but the one where you have to touch the right rune to avoid damage. Might be a personal opinion, but I like those kinda fights.
glossy moat
Idk if it's known since I'm the only one dying in these but dying in a map somehow messes with new portals spawning
green carbon
interesting kk will check
livid acorn
the logic for being in party only applies to that shadow portal. Im going to delete it until we figure out the solution to the issue in dev
quiet anvil
On the ramp up to the 2nd floor in Thundercharge ridge you can't use ground selection skills on it
quiet anvil
In Arcane Nexus on this little island there's something invisible in the middle of it that you can climb up. It gets in the way of the mob there a lot . You can see ish in the air
errant stag
@glossy moat is in the air because he's an angel ❤️
errant stag
The Suspended Earth mobs summoned by Titanguards breaks the "x enemies remain" counter after they cast Assimilate. Fixes itself when you kill the next mob.
errant stag
The starting camera angle in the Air map is pretty awful, should roate it / the character position IMO
Feedback: This isn't strictly related to maps, it also applies to DLP, but I'd like a way to preview the legendary weapons (and DLP weapons). As in, see their models on display somewhere. I understand you can control click if someone links them now (which is great) and you can see the little thumbnail of them in the crafting window, but I'm envisioning something more along the lines of the MoP Challenge Armor sets being on mannequins. Perhaps somewhere in Cobalt Tower, an armory of sorts.
I say this because I'm likely going to craft the one I think looks the best. But it also serves as a visible carrot for players to look forward to - a tangible goal they might see early on in the game think "Wow I want that, how do I get that? I want to keep playing to get this really cool looking stuff". Could apply this same treatment to BoC armor sets.
idle timber
fragments too abundant
keys could be a bit more common
Tbh doesnt feel that way, i got about 23 fragments total in 110 maps
idle timber
fragments too abundant
keys could be a bit more common
Keys do need a drop rate increase if you wana keep the chance 1/256
green carbon
@errant stag regarding the previewing of items, we can send pics of any that people are thinking about crafting and want to see
It might be possible to Ctrl click preview items in game somehow, potentially the item data from the TP - will check on this
idle timber
<@214471454337662978> regarding the previewing of items, we can send pics of any...
i am almost done whit earth wand too can i see that ry
green carbon
yea ill be at PC in a few
idle timber
Also i would like to praise the fragment drop rate/design. it doesnt feel painfull to farm and i love that i am slowly working towards something all the time
wich i feels this game lacks a lot off
green carbon
i am almost done whit earth wand too can i see that ry
@wet tulip is going to keep making these more and more epic, so any feedback/thoughts send his way and we can have a lot of epic choices
green carbon
im a big lightning axe enjoyer
idle timber
mabye like some rocks floating around the wand
and for lightning wand kinda like a electric effect on it
also the wands are bit too small for my liking personally, mabye a little bigger so can easier see all the detail
idk what you think @wet tulip
lots of maps still have issues whit save zones spawning in terrain @livid acorn
wet tulip
idk what you think <@297547784448507904>
I can check lightning and earth wand and see what i can modify
glossy moat
https://youtu.be/Ku7yABI8ra8
The disccord notifications messed me up lmao
idle timber
The disccord notifications messed me up lmao
What did you see lol
glossy moat
Just the sound of it
errant stag
<@214471454337662978> regarding the previewing of items, we can send pics of any...
That would be awesome thanks.
fresh tapir
Getting a bug where hitting 1k silver coins in a map gives me 20 gold instead of 10 gold. Happened 3 times in a row. Only been doing keys in a party, so I can try and test if it happens while solo later on.
livid acorn
idle timber
Getting a bug where hitting 1k silver coins in a map gives me 20 gold instead of...
Well did you actually see your gold go up by 20?
Because its a known visual bug that it just shows it to you 2or 3 times depends how many people
fresh tapir
Yeah, 3 times. I checked each time. 90 gold in inventory to 110, then 130, then 150
idle timber
Since you roll 2-3 times
fresh tapir
I can try and relog and make sure the amount stays the same after rebooting the client
yeah, still the same amount, so its definitely giving me the gold twice
green carbon
Double gold bonus weekend in keys!
fresh tapir
Happened 4 times in a row that I noticed, was 20, 20, 20, 30, then finally back to 10. Not sure whats causing it though, but enchanting is expensive so I won't complain
reef shard
Opecla is blessed
errant stag
I really dislike how you cannot loot mobs in the Arcane map if you are being teleported. I dunno if it's because the "cast" is going off and that is preventing the action or what but I am spamming the loot key and it doesn't pop up. If you get teleported far enough the corpse will despawn by the time you get back to it. If you're in a party this is a non-issue as the loot window instantly pops up.
green carbon
bump
errant stag
Corpse at the start of the Demon map is Hjalmar, which brings up the prompt as it does in the world. Should be a generic corpse
reef shard
He cant be helped no matter how many times you try 😢
errant stag
Myconoid spawners are set too low on the cave floor on the nature map, makes them spawn in the navmesh and they cannot move as a result.
errant stag
Likely known but the Guide of Astral Archaeology thumbnail is missing when it is in your inventory. It renders correctly in the path tab
Question regarding the Path quest Mapper V: The objective is to level up your compass to Tier 12, which would be level 47 mobs. Based on my understanding of level differences, that would mean I'd need to be at least level 43 to reasonably do these as anything beyond +4 levels takes less damage and deals more damage, correct?
In other words, is the expectation for this path that the player is going to level deeper into the 40s (43+)? That's fine if so, I just think it's an interesting design choice considering everything else currently in the game, including the bosses from Celestial keys, assume the effective cap (level 40).
green carbon
not necessarily requiring 43 - you take some increased damage, but they can still be doable, it's also a point where grouping can be advantageous to clear things
Also you could technically upgrade/downgrade if desired to complete the path and then control difficulty
The key bosses are a good call out - I actually don't remmeber what we set their level at, it might be too low
errant stag
not necessarily requiring 43 - you take some increased damage, but they can stil...
The Frost Boss is set to level 40 and doesn't scale with compass (I imagine the latter part is intended for balance purposes).
green carbon
roger that kk yeah 40 is weak sauce for sure - compass scaling we didn't add for now to keep it a static difficulty yeah (could be added later if it makes sense)
errant stag
Personally I like the static difficulty of a boss. They function this way in PoE / LE as well (though they do have Uber variants with better rewards). If they are dynamic and scale with the compass that might get tricky to balance, especially with how many variables there are. Just my 2 cents though.
errant stag
Exciting, looking forward to that!
glossy moat
Uber boss better drop uber pointy wizard hats 
wet tulip
I think there is a couple models i could rig into the character to make them usable
spiral kindle
Would love to see the EXP from mobs in keys be a bit more consistent; and also, it would be great if there was a completion chunk of combat XP. A book was my alternative thought, but it seems OP; some chunk of scaled-to-your-level combat xp for succeeding the map would be cool.
errant stag
Would love to see the EXP from mobs in keys be a bit more consistent; and also, ...
I agree, notably on the completion portion. @livid acorn has discussed with us adding more rewards on completion as it currently feels quite lackluster. This seems like something that could be considered for adding to that completion bundle.
)
spiral kindle
Honestly...can we have that in addition to the the exp I said? I feel like they don't need to be exclusive. It would give people something productive and evergreen to spend their Chronostones on after they've gotten what else they need.
errant stag
Were key drop rates nerfed? I've killed at least 500 mobs today and have gotten a single astral key @green carbon
green carbon
Were key drop rates nerfed? I've killed at least 500 mobs today and have gotten ...
No def not, but which mobs? Maybe the specific loot table is busted
errant stag
Uh it was a variety. They were all 35+ though.
Cyclops, paragons, wind golems, demonhounds, hydras.
Could have just gotten very unlucky 🤷♀️
green carbon
Interesting ok, we will double check everything just to make sure
fresh tapir
I've also noticed it feeling really slow to get them. I get more from maps than in the overwrold
green carbon
🤔 interesting
errant stag
It was absolutely not like this a few days ago when I was praising it. But I guess it's possible we're just unlucky? It doesn't feel like it though
errant stag
David, are you insinuating that my anecdotal evidence is contrary to the empirical data presented before me? That my feelings are not substantiated by the statistical probabilities of the game? Say it isn't so.
green carbon
livid acorn
you know it's bad when im "David"
errant stag
Also shadow portals are still busted, unsure if that is meant to be fixed as of today or not
errant stag
Frostrought Summoners cannot be interrupted or CC'd at all in the Frost Map despite their cast bar being yellow (hard to tell in this screenshot) - probably something to do with being marked as a boss / all the red immune tags
errant stag
Feedback: Would be really nice if there was another stairwell going out the other side to complete the loop on the frost map, otherwise you have to backtrack (unless I'm missing something)
reef shard
Can someone check and see if Fire Fragments drop? I dont know of anyone who has found one yet.
idle timber
Yeah i tried to run 10 today
0 frags
Probably run about 20 total fire
And 0 frags
green carbon
keep me posted, it does look clean on my end
errant stag
Have never found a fire fragment either. Probably done a dozen fire maps at least at t10.
I've also never found a divine fragment after doing a similar amount. Ultimately could be RNG (I don't know what the drop rate is or how it scales with compass level)
idle timber
I've also never found a divine fragment after doing a similar amount. Ultimately...
divine has been found
fire just doesnt seem to exist
did another 5 today
errant stag
Okie
errant stag
Skipping fire maps from here on 👍 haha
errant stag
@green carbon I kinda hate having to spend mats to derank my compass. IMO it would be a lot better and more analogous to other games (D3 greater rifts as an example) to simply allow the player to select the compass tier via a dropdown menu on the compass. Just feels bad for pushing it forward some, failing, and then "failing" again by having to go and spend materials / take the time to do so.
Would also offer more flexibility. What if you have a new friend you wanna do some with but you have a high rank compass and they have a t0 compass? This would allow you to lower yours to like t4 or something to do something they could also meaningfully enjoy.
fresh tapir
Mana Vixen's ability should be interruptible, or at the very least the time Arcane Innoculation lasts reduced. It can very easily go into an unkillable loop of recasting it every time its about to wear off and I find myself running around in circles trying to avoid damage and hope it doesn't recast so I can finish the kill. Definitely the most tedious mob I've fought. Mixed with the random teleports they are almost a guarenteed skip for me.
errant stag
Mana Vixen's ability should be interruptible, or at the very least the time Arca...
Yeah I feel like this is just bugged, I haven't figured out a way to make this not happen. It's a death sentence as melee.
livid acorn
sound like you guys haven't figured out the mechanic yet
errant stag
Could you enlighten us, or at least a hint? It very much feels bugged. I've tried kiting them into the crystals, I've tried kiting them into each other, I've tried looking for an object on the ground / any sort of ground indicator etc, nothing seems to work.
idle timber
Mana Vixen's ability should be interruptible, or at the very least the time Arca...
Arcane map doesnt exist
livid acorn
Could you enlighten us, or at least a hint? It very much feels bugged. I've trie...
when you are inoculated, you radiate arcane energies from you
fresh tapir
when you are inoculated, you radiate arcane energies from you
Mkay, I'll play with it some more next time I get them.
errant stag
when you are inoculated, you radiate arcane energies from you
will try some more when I see it again
🦊 🩷
livid acorn
another hint is try to make distance between you and the mob as it's casting and try to notice what happens
reef shard
keep me posted, it does look clean on my end
Just made 10 leylocked t14 compass and got no frags. i dont even know how many total that is and many in groups so bonus drops...
green carbon
currently making a script that will allow us to basically validate that the logic is working as written - like running a bunch of simulations of kills and make sure the %s are correct
but i checked multiple ways, read the logic a few times, checked the rates in the editor
now going nuclear route
will report back
reef shard
appreciate it. I did get celestial keys at a normal rate there. idk could just be a wild coincidence
spiral kindle
Has there been any talk of a future addition to be able to exchange fragments for other types? Maybe at the cost of some Chronostones as well?
reef shard
Thats called trading!
green carbon
Has there been any talk of a future addition to be able to exchange fragments fo...
yeah basically just message me to swap around atm
mentioned here:
#1464331976398868502 message
errant stag
I understand it's a crit but these guys absolutely chunked me. Non crit was still around 900~. I interrupted the storm cloud cast, too.
livid acorn
resists will absolutely save your butt
errant stag
Certainly, but in other maps (or even the same map against other mobs), I'm getting hit for around 500 usually (non crit)
As an example in this fire map of the same tier
Just seems a touch high on the Tempest guy
(also doing a fire map despite it seemingly not dropping frags because 
)
livid acorn
simian tribeleader hits less I think bc he summons
errant stag
He does yeah. It's the same for most mobs though. The tempest guy is the first mob to actually outright kill me in t10 maps from raw damage and not a mechanic (I underestimated the crit, could have healed).
As another example. Was about the same for the electric grimbear guys in the thundermap, I can't remember their name
Sidenote on these guys, their aoe thing you have to run over from their cast can go under surfaces on the map so you can't see them
Referring to these. There are two in this screenshot under the edges of the room
errant stag
You can still get them yeah but it can be tricky. I've missed some cause they can go pretty far and you obviously can't see it, plus you're timed.
idle timber
thought i fixed this
Its kinda fixed but not really
idle timber
He does yeah. It's the same for most mobs though. The tempest guy is the first m...
Have said this a while back air map mobs do way more damage
Then other mobs
I think their scaling might be off
Cuz Dave said their numbers were the same
errant stag
Planar Golem's in the Arcane map seem buggy. If you don't interrupt their cast, they spawn an Arcane Outcropping, which seems to apply the map debuff to you regardless if you kill them or not before their cast as they self destruct. I don't know how to avoid the mechanic or what the point of even killing them is. Furthermore, I have seen them sometimes not self destruct and "tether" to a random golem, but it seems to buff the current golem I'm fighting - not the one they are tethering to. Not really sure what's going on there.
Earthshaper pillars can spawn completely off the navmesh, which makes it impossible to handle the mechanic
livid acorn
Earthshaper pillars can spawn completely off the navmesh, which makes it impossi...
ok let me check on that
livid acorn
Planar Golem's in the Arcane map seem buggy. If you don't interrupt their cast, ...
Arcane outcropping should enable the planar golems to cast arcane barrage if the outcropping is active
I can check the flow on this, though
wait im confusing myself
idle timber
lots of maps still have issues whit save zones spawning in terrain <@13916454529...
Ofcourse when ren says it Dave looks
Smh
livid acorn
hahahaha
ok so for planar golems:
I dont want to give away all the mechanics, but I did fix some issues:
Planar golems will kill the outcropping that they spawned when they die. Outcroppings will also only target their owner planar golem. For visibility i made it so that outcroppings add a status called 'entropic connection' on the planar golem, which will signal to you that planar golems now have the ability to cast arcane barrage.
A hint for the mechanic: If something is breaking down, is that a time to strike or not?
livid acorn
did some tile blocking. Looks good so far lol
still testing
seems ok based on preliminary testing. If you guys catch anything, send a screenshot. I'm also going to reduce the radius of where the guy can locate tiles so that you have a bit more control on posiition him correctly
i noticed that there were a few scenarios that would make it hard get behind the pillar, so controlling that radius will allow you to better prevent those scenarios
errant stag
Okie dokie
Tempermancer's Absolute Zero debuff doesn't actually do anything. You can stand completely still, nothing happens. You can also run around and nothing happens. Whatever check is being ran for the player position isn't working I'd imagine. As an aside, I'd probably word it as "if the player is stationary" but that's just me.
errant stag
Are these frozen slimes supposed to animate or move around? They do stun me / put a debuff on me if I walk on top of it. The mob will also go and eat them after the goop cast for a small heal. Just seems really trivial to avoid.
livid acorn
seems to work for me on dev hmm
livid acorn
Are these frozen slimes supposed to animate or move around? They do stun me / pu...
they dont move. You can choose to absorb them not to have the mob regain health
errant stag
Why would I though? He heals for like 20% hp at best haha
Full heal I could understand maybe
Also worth noting I don't even see the slime / goop casts unless I delay to kill the mob. Might want to front load that more. Even still, I don't think I'd ever take the debuff willingly as it is 3 stacks of everfrost
green carbon
he's reglooping harder!!
errant stag
Sounds good, thanks
errant stag
currently making a script that will allow us to basically validate that the logi...
Ryan did you manage to execute this? Would be interesting to know the results of this. I'm still running fire maps and haven't gotten one.
errant stag
<@134812433234526208> I kinda hate having to spend mats to derank my compass. IM...
Also @green carbon just wanted to hear your thoughts on this bit of feedback. I'm curious what you think.
green carbon
Ryan did you manage to execute this? Would be interesting to know the results of...
yes - the simulation was clean - t14 100k simulated kills = expected results
the next step would be to think: did the loot table fail to load on server initialization? This would be insanely rare but if there were a lot of kills with 0 fire fragments so far, then maybe it happened and will be solved next restart?
I might be able to restart today but need to make sure server/client are not mismatched
green carbon
Also <@134812433234526208> just wanted to hear your thoughts on this bit of feed...
Crank and I discussed this a bit in the past, it would be good to do but making the UI/UX part will take some time and the regrets are just the fast/easy alpha iteration.
We could make them cost a nominal amount of chronos and gold, so it's inexpensive to move up/down until we figure out a solution
errant stag
Crank and I discussed this a bit in the past, it would be good to do but making ...
Totally understand the regrets being a quick solution for iteration. I think reducing it to a nominal amount would be ideal that way it wouldn't feel so punitive (it's not even that bad but it is bad enough to make it a negative experience, currently)
errant stag
Doomsayer casts can also go under the terrain. I know you can interrupt it but when this happens you are 
livid acorn
kk I will do a similar pass as I did with titans rest
glossy moat
Crank and I discussed this a bit in the past, it would be good to do but making ...
Perhaps multiple compasses?
livid acorn
that COULD work from a technical perspective, actually. Just dont delete the one you have. But idk if we want to do that
glossy moat
SO you ccould have a juiced compass and a chill one then just take out the one you wanna do
but yeah, I understand if thats not the way you wanna go
errant stag
IMO it's a more elegant solution to just have 1 compass that stores all of the tiers you've unlocked and you can select the tier at your own discretion. It will require more UI/UX work, though.
idle timber
Yeah its the better option
glossy moat
Ohh! Just thinking out loud here. what if your compass level was just the max level possible and you could right -> use it to select what level to place it at from a ui or something
oop
yeah what ren said lmao
errant stag
Ish when he has to read:
glossy moat
errant stag
glossy moat
reading is hard ok 
errant stag
You know I'm just teasing you Ish ❤️
glossy moat
I know <3
fresh tapir
Not sure if this has been reported yet. Beserker dash seems to not be useable in 90% of the Thunderridge map. Tried on 4 or 5 maps and it doesn't give a tile indicator and spam clicking around with it does nothing. Some areas of the upper level seem to work though
quiet anvil
Not sure if this has been reported yet. Beserker dash seems to not be useable in...
Not sure if it's related but it may have something to do with this https://discord.com/channels/540514574462615552/1466720049552166986
errant stag
Yeah I was gonna say it might be related to the general bugginess with ground targetting. Was leveling Chivalry the other day just to get it to 25 and it was very hit or miss on placing the banner
fresh tapir
Not sure if it's related but it may have something to do with this https://disco...
Likely, I get that a lot too with the pic you posted.
errant stag
This loses stacks even if you don't use fire damage. Is the intention that it removes stacks from damage AND 5 stacks from fire damage? If so, that isn't clear to me in the tooltip.
livid acorn
yeah it loses stacks without fire damage but you get a bonus if you use fire damage
idle timber
alrighty, some rewards for maps that also make mobs more unqiue
is to add pets to every mob type of maps
even for some like buoldering beaver can make a mount out of it
errant stag
Reposting this again because it has basically made me insta skip arcane maps now: Please let me loot mobs while I'm being teleported by the arcane map ability. It feels so bad to kill something, lose control of your character's ability to loot the enemy you just killed and then lose that loot because it despawns before you get back to it
Also this mob seems pretty buggy. The Arcane Soul seems to prioritize random mobs, not the mob that summoned it, making it basically a non-mechanic since you just wait out the timer on other mobs. Also it can buff multiple mobs at once as you can see here.
livid acorn
would it help if i increase the time before you are teleproted?
oh is it freezing you?
errant stag
It doesn't freeze you, you can move around. You just can't loot mobs. It prevents inputs or something.
The timing is fine, it's just that you can't loot.
livid acorn
interesting
@green carbon potentially need to make some part of the "start progress" node to enable inputs from the player
livid acorn
Also this mob seems pretty buggy. The `Arcane Soul` seems to prioritize random...
the buffing multiple mobs is intended, but im going to basically do the same logic as the planar golems and make sure the mobs follow their owner
fresh tapir
Sounds like a semi-known issue, but if a party member leaves the party/game while you're in a map (even if they aren't in the map with you) it will boot you out of the map. Had it happen once last night and once a little bit ago. Didn't realize what happened and tested it. Lost a handful of keys now 🙃
idle timber
Sounds like a semi-known issue, but if a party member leaves the party/game whil...
Ah oh
Srry
Didnt know it happens in maps