Para's House. (Goodbye)

[wispy nest]

not this

[naive tundra]

I've pinged the mod ping a couple times

[heavy panther]

admins and mods putting alot of trust into the community ngl

[wispy nest]

which is fine if it is to notify of a scam

[naive tundra]

Spam ping them fr

[heavy panther]

you can even ping @ server owner

dang

[naive tundra]

Ban speedrun

[soft pecan]

which is why it is also very much taken seriously when it is a troll ping, it's a lot of people getting pinged when you ping moderators

[hot bear]

For important stuff

[heavy panther]

yeah thats fair

[heavy panther]

i mean... thats what admins are for no?

there isnt a perm that the admins dont have thats needed day to day afaik

i could be wrong tho

[hot bear]

Yeah but it's not only about the permissions I think

[wispy nest]

Admins mainly take care of the "behind the scenes" stuff of the server

[heavy panther]

yeah thats fair

[wispy nest]

anyway you guys got like 18 msgs left

[hot bear]

Good

[heavy panther]

yall dont have actual discord "admin" perms no?

[hot bear]

I'm gonna whoop even more today

[heavy panther]

or do yall?

[naive tundra]

Can I get a behind the scenes tour?

Aka just perms to see all the fancy admin channels

[hot bear]

Maybe even gonna fly a pack with the 3" as long as its not too dark

[heavy panther]

vencord carries lol

[naive tundra]

Or actually can I just get admin?

[heavy panther]

yeah here you go

[naive tundra]

[heavy panther]

you are now an admin.... according to me

[naive tundra]

I go according to my roles

[hot bear]

You are now /muted according to me

[heavy panther]

then you are out of luck

[wispy nest]

temporary lock, I think it's only fair that @gaunt creek gets the 10k msg

All of you will need to stay silent. Give a thumbs up

[gaunt creek]

10k! we did it 🍪 🎉 🔫 🤑 🎉 🍪 #1020740183336947833 watch out! Im so proud of us. we have to to keep the messages to dollars spent ratio in check. everyone grab a cookie 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪. 20k here we come! instead of @ing everyone this time ill just say thanks. Thank you kirbys, puppygirls, humans, and dutch people you all are the best. I cant wait to maybe one day have a working flying drone for under $10k but who knows.

[vague solar]

10,001

Hahahha

[naive tundra]

Hi

I could just start deleting msgs until I'm 10k

[gaunt creek]

Thanks Vitroid my apologies for all our trouble

[vague solar]

I wanted to do 10k so bad wen it was open but I held back knowing the consequences

[naive tundra]

[gaunt creek]

20k is all yours man

[heavy panther]

20k here we go!

[wispy nest]

hey it's fine, not you who pinged the mods

[naive tundra]

Can I have 10,010?

Oh wait I did

Can I have 24,917,000?

[gaunt creek]

I do appreciate all of you this community has been a real bastion for me as i go through life changes. you are all the best

[gaunt creek]

no

[naive tundra]

Why not

[gaunt creek]

mine

[naive tundra]

:(

[gaunt creek]

I just learned in the sim that I am not good at flying: (

Any tips on where to start in order to fix that?

[median fable]

Fly more

[gaunt creek]

Thanks

And any things to prioritize in practice? As a starting point.

[median fable]

I would always try gaps

And just focus on where you want to go

And not the walls of the gaps

Helped me a lot

[gaunt creek]

I'm good at gaps

What after gaps

[median fable]

What do you want to be better at?

[gaunt creek]

Interesting never thought of that

[median fable]

Your about as experienced as me at this point😅

[median fable]

Helped me so much when flying through swingsets with my whoop

[gaunt creek]

Freestyleing and moving very intentionality

[median fable]

Aside from just pushing rlly hard in the sim, idk🫤

[naive tundra]

Learn to not crash

[gaunt creek]

Fine

Guess I can do that

[cloud seal]

try racing

easy to have goals and measurements of skill with racing

[gaunt creek]

Interesting I'll consider that

[gaunt creek]

Not a bad idea

[deft ore]

Holy shit we reached 10k

[ruby ice]

holy shit that was quick

[gaunt creek]

I know only 10k more to become the leaders of this server

[delicate wraith]

This thread is more active than some of the dedicated channels

[gaunt creek]

We will take over

[tropic wyvern]

[gaunt creek]

I would also like to point out less than 4 months ago I didn't know what FPV drones were

[tropic wyvern]

that went fast

[gaunt creek]

Yup now I'm $4k in with no working drone 🫠

[tropic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

[gaunt creek]

Every day embelds choices feels better and better

Don't you think?

[tropic wyvern]

yapper heheheh

[gaunt creek]

I yap a lot!

Lemme be a yapper!

[tropic wyvern]

yes

[gaunt creek]

@ moderators! Fix this please 🙏

[tropic wyvern]

me want yapper too (i have almost 13K msg's since 8 april lmao, idk if that is mutch actually)

[gaunt creek]

@solemn cairn I have been rocking your rates for quite a bit and I'm quite surprised I kept looking for excuses to increase my yaw rate but I can't find one. If anything it may end up being the pitch and roll I increase a bit if at all

Somehow 300 yaw is enough

[shadow bolt]

Just increase them if you wanna

[gaunt creek]

Yeah but I have not found me needing to utilize any additional yaw

[shadow bolt]

300 on all axis is enough if you don't use much expo, doesn't mean there isn't a point in going higher if you want to get snappier yaw

[gaunt creek]

550 roll and 500 pitch is not quite enough for me I think

[shadow bolt]

You should just try and mess with the rates even if your sticks aren't constantly kissing the wall of your gimbals

Increase it, see how you like it, lower it back if you don't like it

[gaunt creek]

But I'm super surprised I'm not needing the yaw

The problem is I can't complete flips and rolls fast enough close to ground

[shadow bolt]

Then just increase max rates

I would increase all of them proportionally to one another

And add some expo or mid if you need it

Personally I run 680 / .25 expo on all axis

[gaunt creek]

You use that yaw?

[shadow bolt]

All axis do include yaw

I hate not having the same rate on all my axis

[gaunt creek]

So you don't use all the yaw but you gain a certain amount of consistency?

[hot bear]

Try 980 980 1000

[shadow bolt]

I do use all the yaw, I paid for 100% of the gimbal I'm using 100% of the gimbal, 680° is on the low end

[shadow bolt]

Try 1200°, that was my pain when I first started without really getting what rates were, until I found out lower rates are fun too

[gaunt creek]

Love to see vid of both of you freestyle with these rates

Sim or real

[hot bear]

I had 1200 when I started

[shadow bolt]

have fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=755i37tzrrE

[solemn cairn]

please upscale to atleast 1080p :(

bitrate go bye bye

[shadow bolt]

I know I should

but

my internet sucks

and it's annoying

and I'm lazy

so enjoy your bitrate staying in vacation

also I probably don't have the footage anymore so I can't upscale it no more

[solemn cairn]

you can just download the video from youtube cant you?

[shadow bolt]

yeah but then I'd get their compression slapped ontop

so I would upscale their bitrate to try to remove their bitrate

[gaunt creek]

me too

[gaunt creek]

ur turn show vid

[gaunt creek]

of your flying >_<

[hallow oriole]

the end goal is to get good enough to where every movement is pure muscle memory, just like walking. i usually suggest learning to mix yaw and roll at the same time to get smooth turns while you are flying forwards

[hot bear]

I'm gonna get some recent + some only a few minutes old dvr ready for you

[gaunt creek]

You better

[hot bear]

https://streamable.com/68oxzi I put too much effort into that shit to compress it to 100mb but too little to put it on yt

[gaunt creek]

@solemn cairn today I made major progress

I started with locking in my rates no expo 650 600 350 Max

Then practiced low altitude level turns flips and rolls practiced flying backwards too

Then learned how to matte

Then failed and gave up on vanny rolls

And somehow got to 75% consistent trippy spins! --> <-- inward

Out ward was a little scetch

I'm the best yeah?!

[gaunt creek]

Is no one proud of me? 😢

[soft pecan]

yay spins and rolls

[gaunt creek]

Lol thanks

[gaunt creek]

Don't forget the mattes and trippys

[stark flower]

That's common for trippys to feel more natural one direction than the other.
Actually lot of yaw or roll involved tricks are like that.

The trick is to force yourself to do the harder direction more and practice it more.
That way it looks in the end almost as good as your confident direction

[gaunt creek]

will try ty

[unreal cargo]

This means we can fly soon, right?

[gaunt creek]

any week now

guys if the dollars spent catch up to the messages sent in this chat i will quit fpv

[gaunt creek]

@soft pecan you still awake?

[soft pecan]

only sometimes

[gaunt creek]

i have a dumb question

https://www.amazon.com/HGLRC-Battery-Balance-Integrated-Discharger/dp/B096NHKQNY

this do 2s bats yeah?

[soft pecan]

sure

[gaunt creek]

how work with charger we ordered

and would you choose something else?

[soft pecan]

by buying a better power supply

[gaunt creek]

lol

great back to step 1

[gaunt creek]

unironically what reccomend do? also with better power supply can you daisy chain many connecters to the charger we picked how does it control the idividual cells?

sorry i dont know why but the bat stuff still go over head for now

[stark flower]

Parallel charging is the devil Bobby bouchĕ.

https://tenor.com/view/devil-waterboy-momma-football-ancestry-gif-4930669809320276198

[gaunt creek]

what 🫠

[soft pecan]

It doesn't control the individual cells, that's why it is dangerous.

[gaunt creek]

i see would 4 addapters to 2s size make more sense for iddiot like me ?

[stark flower]

This board is commonly called a parallel board.
As it let's you connect multiple batteries in parallel.

To effectively make your charger charge one single "large battery" that is effectively compromised of your smaller batteries in parallel.

The main reason PPL want that is then they can charge multiple batteries at once off a single charge port.

But it (parallel charging) comes with a lot of extra rules and gotchas.
None of which are worth it to me or anyone I know still flying.
Not worth it.

Tempting as a beginner for cost savings initial charger purchases.
But ultimately harder on batteries and IMO costs more in the long run.
When compared to a multi charging port charger.

[gaunt creek]

thanks for detailed description

[gaunt creek]

https://flyhighfpv.com/products/hota-f6-charger-4-way-6s-1000watt-dc?variant=42428898902205 this is what i got

[gaunt creek]

what is balance charging?

and if this what i got what get to charge 2s?

[stark flower]

Skip to ~6min in to this video.
When he gets to the whiteboard.

It explains what balance charging is.

https://youtu.be/wIbHLacozFo?si=oG-rTYmJo2nTMEVg

[gaunt creek]

thanks will do

[stark flower]

That will charge 2s, your good.
The only thing you may need is a XYZ to XT60 adapter to plug battery into the charger.

XYZ being the connector on your battery in this example.

Err well and a power supply for the charger.

[gaunt creek]

got power supply

[gaunt creek]

so 4 addapters?

[gaunt creek]

also is 240 watt enough to charge 4 6s bats at once?

thanks @soft pecan and @stark flower for entertaining my questions that video was great i now get how balance chargers work

https://betafpv.com/collections/batt-2s/products/bt3-0-550mah-2s-battery-2pcs

these are the bats in question

bt3 port?

[stark flower]

Ok so now that you understand balance.
Parallel is just basically putting multiple batteries that are all very very very close in charge/voltage together on the parallel board.

Thus the charger thinks it now has 1 big battery on that port.

Why that ultimately I feel is not worth it cost wise is then all batteries on the parallel board get treated the same and cycled and balanced the same.

So many a times have I or freind parallel charged a few packs. Only to have one bad cell on one pack essentially kill/maim/destroy the other batteries.
Cuz they are treated as one.

Its possible to avoid it, but requires extra diligence and good memory or record keeping.
So ultimately not worth the hassle for me.

[gaunt creek]

agreed now i just wanna balance charge my wonky batteries

[gaunt creek]

https://betafpv.com/collections/batt-2s/products/bt3-0-550mah-2s-battery-2pcs

but it is bt3 i wonder if the carger will even be able to balance with one connecter going through an adapter

[gaunt creek]

these stupid bats claim to remove the need for a balance charger

[stark flower]

BT 3.0 is bassiscaly a balance plug only, so to say.
Like in the video when he mentioned cheap chargers that use just the balance connector only.

But BT3.0 also beefy and can hold current enough that it's also able to act as discharge lead as well.
So it's both in one.

Assuming you were 110% sure you would never have a need for anything past a 2s BT3.0 charger.
The vifly toothstore is a good dedicated option for that battery size and class.

But also not able to do bigger batterys if you want to eventually fly larger drones.

[stark flower]

You can use a charging demand calculator to answer that question better than I can off top of my head.
About how many watts you need etc.

https://www.radiocontrolinfo.com/information/rc-calculators/rc-charger-wattage-calculator/

[gaunt creek]

i have the charger above for my 4s and 6s batteries

and this cringe bt3 shit is prolly the only time i plan to use it

[stark flower]

More BT3.0 reading here as well as how to make a BT3.0 to XT60 adapter so you can use the hota to charge them.
:
https://oscarliang.com/betafpv-bt3-0-connector/

[gaunt creek]

this is epic im saving this link. thanks battery expert

[gaunt creek]

There is 5 options and none of them say XT60 https://betafpv.com/products/bt3-0-connectors?variant=40190217257094

why did they have to be quirky

[stark flower]

You'd wanna buy the adapter shown here.
Then follow the oscar guide and use some XT60 to make the adapter as he did.

But also its dumb AF beta doesn't offer this connector themselves.

They don't give a fuck at best.
At worst it seems and they want you to say "fuck it I may as well buy the dedicated charger also."

[gaunt creek]

lol wtf

[gaunt creek]

i did not think charging would be so hard

[stark flower]

Its annoying and confusing at first.
But once it all clicks and gets in your head.
It's like riding a bike, youll never really forget it.

[gaunt creek]

so to charge i need to solder a bunch addapters to cables?

also smaller balancer cables can still fit where these 6s ports are just by pluging in right to left?

[stark flower]

Uhh, you might wanna 1st DL and read manual for that hota charger or email the manufacturer.

Not many chargers will do it.
But IIRC some chargers can run at a slow charge rate off balance connector only.
If your hota supports that then you will not need to make any custom adapters. (As shown above.)

But yeah, not a common feature theese days I don't think.

[stark flower]

Balance connectors are thankfully a standardized size.

So for a 6s on that charger example.
You would actually plug in 2 connectors to charge said 6s.

The balance connector which takes up the wide 7pin slot.

And the discharge connector, which takes up the XT60.

Power gets pushed in the XT60.
Then excess power is taken out the balance connector.
Like the white board example.

[ruby ice]

balance connector makes sure they cells are evenly charged, and figures out if one of them is cooked

also useful for measuring ir and allat

getting individual cell readings

[gaunt creek]

its late and im with more questions than i started with i just want to be able to charge and feel like i got scammed with the batteries thanks for efforts i guess ill try to figure out what i need to buy and do tommorow

im starting to wonder if beta fpv is scummy

[stark flower]

Kinda every FPV company is in one way or another at one point or another.

The BT3.0 is certainly a valid design choice to save some weight on crafts that truly need it.
But comes with the cost of proprietary BS.

[stark flower]

Well....
Maybe not scummy, but certainly looking out for themselves above all else.

The only companies I can think of that do not really fit into that description in one way or another are either out of business or smaller guys.

Armattan
Tiny whoop.com
Five 33
We bleed FPV.

[cloud seal]

webleedfpv perhaps too

[stark flower]

Oh yeah.
My bad I forgot jeff.

Add that to list.

[cloud seal]

im wary of beta for a lot of reasons tbh

their reputation changed quickly with the whoop aios and bt2.0

but i remember a rosser vid where he said he smoked like 6 beta motors in testing...
i've had some bad experiences with beta myself

[soft pecan]

it has changed multiple times over the years

that's how these companies go

[cloud seal]

its voodoo magic

how do you get a stack that wont randomly blow up

[stark flower]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-dent-die-a-hero-or-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villian-gif-21468252

[cloud seal]

you are ignorant

and hope

i may do some testing with darwin stuff for that reason lol

if it looks fine then maybe it is

[stark flower]

But yeah prior to BT2.0 I wouldn't touch betafpv stuff with a 9 foot pole.

I guess impulse RC has never really had a slip up of scummy-ness I can think of.
Overpriced sure, cocky yes.

But the driver fixer tool I guess buys them back credits lol.
That thing has probably saved people thousands of hours over the years.

Brain FPV also I suppose.

[shadow bolt]

I would also put divimath in the scum free section

[stark flower]

Fair, they seem pretty on the up and up.

[shadow bolt]

Yeah, that's part of why I love hdzero so much, since they don't have WS/DJI's levels of sillyness you can actually trust what they are saying and know they have a well planned route for the system

[cloud seal]

although they take their sweet time lol

in shipping and development

[shadow bolt]

I mean, development wise there is basically just Carl working on new products, and I prefer if they take their sweet time but throw at us an actually good product that finished cooking

Instead of a half baked piece of crap like others (hello dear o4 lite)

[cloud seal]

yea agreed

[shadow bolt]

Especially if taking their sweet time gives them the time to work on what others can't, like the aio5

Also they have a 2-3s version in the oven

[cloud seal]

rip no 4s

crux 35 replacement would be sick

[shadow bolt]

Yeah well once you get to 4s there is no reason why you wouldn't just use the whoop lite

[cloud seal]

true

[shadow bolt]

It will have all the hoomf you can ask for

I already find the 2-3s aio to be quite silly

[cloud seal]

eco even maybe

whats the problem with the eco

like why dont ppl use it

[shadow bolt]

Cause the lux looks better

[cloud seal]

i mean the board

[shadow bolt]

Oh

Because it's not a very interesting product when compared to the whoop lite or aio5, some people still use it sometimes

I still have one of them sitting in my drawer, waiting to one day maybe be used

[cloud seal]

ah okay

so basically the same thing

with exposed chips lol

[shadow bolt]

I mean, few people actually keep the shielding on

It's not super useful

[soft pecan]

i mean it doesn't

like you can just look at it and know it isn't fine

and you can find countless of people's experiences with darwin in this discord

where there basically isn't anyone who hasn't had an esc blow up

[cloud seal]

yea i wanna do a comparison

a long term test

[soft pecan]

but you don't have to

people already have

there are examples here

and you can see why by looking at it

[deft ore]

Pizaa

[shadow bolt]

but what if every single one of those escs died because they hammered them, ever considered that, how could one possibly trust an experience without throwing their own money out the window, for science

[soft pecan]

hey so what if

what if everyone else wrong

and i 3d print frame

out of tpu

nothing will break. i sweasr

it fly fine

[hot bear]

do it

I bet youre too scared to do it

[soft pecan]

i am using other people as example

[hot bear]

do it anyways

I want a moderator approved tpu frame

[soft pecan]

we already have a toothpick frame

[wispy nest]

Darwin literally sold replacement FETs for their AIO

one one hand... cool. On the other... why even need that in the first place

[stark flower]

I wonder what %% of FPV hobbyists even have a hot air station.
Let alone the skills to swap a FET.

Gotta imagine for beginners tempted to buy Darwin that %% is pretty darn close to 0%

[hot bear]

who needs a hot air station when you have soldering iron

everything is possible with a soldering iron and enough imagination

[shadow bolt]

Who knows, what if they all used the wrong settings

[soft pecan]

ah but yes of course

[shadow bolt]

I want it to be true thus the only logical explanation is that everyone else is wrong and dumb

[gaunt creek]

how many fpv pilots do you guys think there are?

[hot bear]

Many

[gaunt creek]

Thanks

[hot bear]

Np

[gaunt creek]

I'm looking for a number

[hot bear]

2 at least

Ping me if you got any more questions

I have the answer

[shadow bolt]

500,000,000±500,000,000

[hot bear]

I fact checked this, he's right

[shadow bolt]

(I'd say like a couple hundred thousand max, probably like 500k, extrapolating from Bardwell's subscriber count)

[shadow bolt]

As always

[hot bear]

You've sadly lost the status of being always right

Only most of the time now

[shadow bolt]

Don't worry, as great philosopher fulcrum says, truth is relative, thus you are always right too

[hot bear]

Oh that's nice

[shadow bolt]

There exists no paradox to this

At all

Nuh huh

[hot bear]

I'm always right

(that statement is wrong)

I'm always wrong (that statement is right)

[shadow bolt]

And the beauty of relative truth is that all three of those statements are correct

How neat right

[hot bear]

It's awesome

[shadow bolt]

I can say A = Ā and it is perfectly correct by this statement

[stark flower]

Idk for certain worldwide etc.
But I'd wager less PPL are flying now than ~2018 era.

[shadow bolt]

(but also, the slightly more rigorous argument is more along the lines of
You may say truth is relative
Thus I can say you are wrong
By your statement I'm correct
Thus you are wrong)

[gaunt creek]

My guess is 700k

Based on subscribers and betaflight downloads

[shadow bolt]

We are kind of an odd size for a hobby given we are big enough that low estimates feel way too low, and small enough high estimates feel way too high

We should carry a survey to know how many people know this server in the hobby, assuming it's well done it could give a decent estimate of the size of this hobby

[gaunt creek]

I wonder what metrics can be used to measure one pilot being better than another or comparable

I would love to figure out who are the top 1000 pilots are and how different they are from the average

[stark flower]

Another good way would be to look into a large retailer such as GETFPV and see the total ## of different addresses they have shipped to.

[shadow bolt]

Your little eyeballs

[stark flower]

If said data were available

[shadow bolt]

That would only give a lower bound for USA based pilots

[gaunt creek]

Plus how many people are at each skill level

I want the datas

[stark flower]

Yeah it would mostly be western markets.

[gaunt creek]

Who is the top 1000 pilots

[stark flower]

Bruh I don't even know 1000 ppl.

[gaunt creek]

Is there a big difference between top 100 vs 1000 and at what point does it become a matter of opinion

Like I am clearly worse than @solemn cairn for example but Steele is prolly decently better then benry. It's a mix between opinion to an extent but I still believe there are better artists than others. In various metrics

[stark flower]

It's a matter of opinion for everything that's not racing.
Racing is the only "measurable" meteic.

Comparing freestyle or cinematic etc is like trying to compare comedians.
Not everyone will agree.

Race lap time in spec racing is the only non debatable clear and cut measurable metric.

[gaunt creek]

For freestyle I would love to know how much of a skill gap there is between the average and the best

[gaunt creek]

I don't entirely agree. Is my freestyle as good as Steele?

[gaunt creek]

I think it's more than just opinion

[gaunt creek]

I would argue more consistent and complex executions of techniques would be a measurable difference in skill

[stark flower]

Theres a reason freestyle contests have multiple judges.

[gaunt creek]

If one can trippy spin for 4 minutes with a 99% success rate and another gets it right 60% of the time for shorter periods they are worse in that category.

[gaunt creek]

I also agree that at a certain point style differences are a matter of opinion

But still within individual tricks, plus consistency are measurable skill differences.

[soft pecan]

i wish fpv was as simple as tony hawk's pro skater

[gaunt creek]

I think you could measure a better pilot with range of tricks, plus consistency, and complexity of techniques used. I think it should be possible to find a rough idea of what is the best-ish 1000 pilots are

Or maybe 100

[stark flower]

How do you accurately weight or compare X trick vs. Y?
Opinion.

How can you freestyle compare steel who is arguably the best at rubix/snap rolls.
But legitimately refuses to learn or practice mattys/trippy.

How can that be compared fairly without opinion to a pilot that focuses on mattys/trippy?

[hot bear]

Coolness

[gaunt creek]

Alright what about measuring through average ranking of opinions within a large sample size

[gaunt creek]

How quantify coolness

[hot bear]

By asking me

[stark flower]

Yep.
Multiple judges.

[hot bear]

I will rate the coolness

[gaunt creek]

Sure but that does mean that there are better pilots than others

[gaunt creek]

The bigger the sample size of judges the more accurate the data

[soft pecan]

there's always a bias against what is more popular at a given point

[gaunt creek]

I am one of the worst pilots to exist for example. But I can get better and change my position. Hopefully

[shadow bolt]

Tho "complexity of tricks" is a pretty terrible metric, MCK is an extremely technical pilot, but I sure won't consider him a better freestyle pilot than say Patrick FPV who does less tricks but who I much much prefer the freestyle

[wispy nest]

I'd prefer to watch someone who knows how to fly well, smoothly, and without hesitation. That's better than stringing well-practiced but mostly random tricks together without much inbetween

[gaunt creek]

Fair So is the argument that there are not better pilots just different pilots? And yeah complexity of tricks is a bad metric

[shadow bolt]

Yes

Partly

[gaunt creek]

Sweet I'm just as good as all of you!

[shadow bolt]

Skill is a metric, but it's like 50% of the story, the other 50% is personal taste

[wispy nest]

like I can't do a whole lot of tricks, but at least I try to make my flights entertaining in other ways

[gaunt creek]

I do that too

So we are equal pilots despite me flying for a week?

[shadow bolt]

As another example, that may be a little less relevant, GavR FPV is the best pilot I can think of, but there isn't any tricks in there

[hot bear]

Freestyle is about skill but also creativity

[gaunt creek]

Agreed entirely

[shadow bolt]

Well again, skill is 50% of the story, personal taste is the other 50%

[wispy nest]

I don't want to compare you or me against anyone else, I think that's kinda lame

[shadow bolt]

Skill is important just not the full story

[gaunt creek]

Agreed 100%

[shadow bolt]

At the end of the day tho, rankings in nearly fully subjective matters is kinda silly, just have fun flying

[gaunt creek]

Understandable I don't think it matters at the end of the day. Haveing fun and personal growth matters most

[wispy nest]

when I think about it, I don't think I've seen most of the people on this server fly

I'd love to

[shadow bolt]

12075 DVRs would take a while to go through

[wispy nest]

feels like I'm like the one of the few people who actually upload stuff

[stark flower]

Honestly if someone can pull off a tazmananin devil while flying FPV.
I'll gladly declare them THE freestyle god and best no question, bar none forever.

https://youtu.be/XBmVvttGlCU?si=VF1w0WbyvuBGKBCJ

[gaunt creek]

I was just curious on everyone's opinions on what "a better pilot" or "more skilled pilot" means

[wispy nest]

flying quads LOS very quickly becomes similar to helis

[gaunt creek]

Holy shit

[stark flower]

A few local heli pilots gave up on heli and now LOS quads.
More durable, cheaper, less maintenance.

Close enough in feel.

[gaunt creek]

We all can agree that the worst fpv pilots are the ones who start with an Aliexpress 10" before flying anything else. Oh and they freestyle the 10" over airplanes without permission

That's a worse pilot

Wait forget the top 1000 pilots

How do you find the worst 1000 pilots?

Do you include people who never flew?

Or include only pilots with fpv quads. Is it measured by risks taken/ people hurt/ damage done?

How can I become the worst?

[hot bear]

How tf does this wokr

[stark flower]

Uhh.
Fly a 5in into an old lady's face.
Then claim it was your spotters fault, despite multiple warnings being yelled at to disarm.

Bring your heroin and unregistered firearms without consent in a carpool to a bando fly day.
Then when cops come to speak to you about flying in the bando.
Hide your gun and drugs in someone else's gear bag.

That's how you become worst pilot ever in my book.
Both incidents same person by the way.

[tropic wyvern]

damm

so someone actually did this?

[stark flower]

Sadly yeah.

[tropic wyvern]

dammm

[gaunt creek]

Wait thats real

[tropic wyvern]

who was this

[gaunt creek]

I can't become the best or the worst 🥲

How do you become the most mid pilot?

[stark flower]

It's more or less doing this but really really fast.

[gaunt creek]

That's not mid

[hot bear]

the rates must be crazy high lol

[stark flower]

They dont fly anymore.
Or if they do they have stopped being part of all local scenes and don't post online etc.

Extreme sports and hobbies inherently are appealing to people in recovery or experience with hard drugs.
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

Some PPL have a more successful recovery than others.
🤷‍♂️

[tropic wyvern]

yeah

[gaunt creek]

I have a question

[hot bear]

Don't ask it

I already have the answer

42

[gaunt creek]

Thanks

I now know that you recommend charging to 42V for a 2s battery 🔋

Lol no my actual question is what are people adding to their drones that is allowing them to hear it in vids from the drone.

[queen monolith]

Usually that's from the audio on the action camera

[gaunt creek]

Ooooooh

[queen monolith]

GoPro or whatever camera they mount

[gaunt creek]

But I hate action cameras

I'm using O4pros on all my quads so I don't want them

[hot bear]

Does dji not have audio on their vtx?

[gaunt creek]

Not that I know of prolly not

[soft pecan]

yes each cell 42v

[hot bear]

Also, use 42 cells

[hot bear]

Rip

Dji issue™

[gaunt creek]

Just was wondering how it was being done

[hot bear]

Mic

[gaunt creek]

Using 42 cells on a drone is also an issue

[soft pecan]

is fine

[hot bear]

No

You need 42 O4 units to finally get audio

For analog, 1 is enough

[gaunt creek]

Consider it done

[stark flower]

42S DC is reaching arc/dangerous levels of voltage.

Would advise you treat it like 220AC in term of safety gear and prep.

[gaunt creek]

I don't know what you just said but I know more battery means more fly sooooo 42s it is

[gaunt creek]

Sounds like anolog propoganda

[stark flower]

I tried audio on analog exactly once.

[brave moth]

yeah most videos use an action cam

o4 and o3 dont have mics

analog can transmit audio

[stark flower]

Once I realized there was static/breakup in the audio.
Nope.
I'm out.

[brave moth]

you can use an audio recorder or something and then overlay it ontop of your recording if you want

but not live

[gaunt creek]

Don't care for live

Was interested in audio for post

I want to go my whole life without and action can if possible

[brave moth]

make sure you have foam infront of the mic and have it somewhere protected from wind

[median fable]

Why 😂

[gaunt creek]

If I'm gonna pay for the o4camera I'm gonna use the o4camera

[median fable]

True

But

Action cams are sick

For other things too

[gaunt creek]

Exactly and I'm healthy

[median fable]

you know what I meant

[gaunt creek]

Look at how healthy I am

[median fable]

I’m just saying, it could go on a drone and be used for other cool stuff

[gaunt creek]

Money spent and still can't fly

[median fable]

Idk

That’s pretty sick

[gaunt creek]

Like what?

[median fable]

Depends what cool active things you do

I use mine to record Airsoft

Other people film underwater when snorkeling

There’s no end to the fun of a action cam

[gaunt creek]

Only things I do is make spreadsheets and spend money

[median fable]

But but

fun

[gaunt creek]

O4pro>actioncam

[median fable]

04pro /=/ action cam

[hot bear]

04pro<anxthibg else

[gaunt creek]

O4pro = I don't have any money left

[gaunt creek]

😶

[median fable]

||has plans for 3 other builds||

[median fable]

Co3 cam 😎

[gaunt creek]

Silly goose I ordered all of those at once

[median fable]

Holy crap

Seriously

?

[gaunt creek]

They are all on there way now 😈

[tropic wyvern]

damm

[median fable]

Wow😂

[tropic wyvern]

steals

[median fable]

That’s wild

[gaunt creek]

I will never be grounded again

[tropic wyvern]

i wish i had that kind of money

[hot bear]

You just didn't discover scamming grandmas

[gaunt creek]

Take 3 jobs and rob your best friend its worked for me so far

[median fable]

GO TO YOUR ROOM

Your grounded for the rest of the week!

[tropic wyvern]

i have school

and already have a job but i dont get pai mutch

like 3,40 an hour

shitty pay

[gaunt creek]

[hot bear]

That sounds illeagl

[tropic wyvern]

but im lik 13 so what could i expect

[gaunt creek]

Is that even legal?

[tropic wyvern]

if i would work somewhere esle i would get like 5,50 per hour

[median fable]

Are you no longer in the Kirby party?

[tropic wyvern]

if youre 13 here you have no mimimum slalry

only form 15 and up

(the netherlands btw)

[hot bear]

I got 2k for my summer job 2 years ago, 1,5k for last years job and 1,2k for this year

[median fable]

That’s a sad graph curve

[tropic wyvern]

for like 10 hours of work i think i got 40 bucks

ye

[gaunt creek]

My main job 6 days a week is 22 an hour and my second is performance based but pays better. And I work side gigs frequently. All together I was able to buy the 04pro

[tropic wyvern]

i am sellung alot of shit rn

[hot bear]

Ye

[gaunt creek]

Also I work 8 to 4 most days

[hot bear]

Let's hope this year's job will be at least interesting

[tropic wyvern]

i wanna get a better job but i work at a hobby store now that i went to like almost every day when i was 12 lmao

[gaunt creek]

Some days I work till 9pm

[hot bear]

Scammed

[tropic wyvern]

and i get discounts in the shop

[hot bear]

Still scam

Abuse imo

[tropic wyvern]

ig

[gaunt creek]

I literally took on more work to pay for this hobby specifically

I just wanna fly man

[tropic wyvern]

i wanna get a better paying job, but i heard the ''albert heijn'' was ass to work at but i would get pain like 5.86 an hour

its kinda hard to find good paying jobs at 13 with school

[gaunt creek]

In real money or european money?

[tropic wyvern]

euros

[hot bear]

×Wants better free time
×works more to get better free time
×has less free time

[gaunt creek]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dinheiro-notas-rich-rico-gif-14849271

[tropic wyvern]

euro better

[hot bear]

Same thing excepts euros are a bit better and cooler

[gaunt creek]

Maybe. But only if you can get some

[tropic wyvern]

?

[gaunt creek]

They need to pay you more

[tropic wyvern]

yeah

but im turin 14 soon :D

so i should get a raise

[gaunt creek]

Let's go man! Time to get that o4 money!

[tropic wyvern]

analog king baby 👑

i wanna get hdzero next

[gaunt creek]

I wouldn't know @split lichen recommended as a complete beginner that I start with a digital 5 inch

[tropic wyvern]

my dream setup:
hdzero 3.5"
Hdzero beater 3.5"
Hdzero 5"
Hdzero 5"
Betafpv air65
Hdzero bino goggles+ analog
Radiomaster boxer crush
Hota d6 pro
Geprc whooppower
Dgocom 1300mah 6s
Gnb 650&850mah 4s
Betafpv lava 1s 300mah

[tropic wyvern]

-# shout is just a troll ngl

[gaunt creek]

I agree hd zero is pretty cool

[tropic wyvern]

yeah

[split lichen]

I’m gonna murder you

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[split lichen]

If I had known you were this unreliable I would not have recommended a 5inch for the record

[tropic wyvern]

just dont reccomend a 5'' in the frist place

like max a 3.5'' for a beginner imo

[gaunt creek]

I told you it was my first drone silly

[split lichen]

No but you were different

You were super rural and in an area that would be super fun to cruise in

[gaunt creek]

Your loco

[split lichen]

And you seemed responsible

[split lichen]

Wtf does that mean

[gaunt creek]

I'm so damn responsive we hit 10k messages

[wet fox]

"you're crazy"

[wet fox]

yet not responsible

[gaunt creek]

Still

[tropic wyvern]

just dont reccomend a 5'' in the frist place
like max a 3.5'' for a beginner imo

[sacred ember]

I started with a 5" and didnt kill anyone

[gaunt creek]

You don't know how many people I killed 👀

[sacred ember]

3

[gaunt creek]

That's a cool fleet

[sacred ember]

guys I think they like HDZero

[tropic wyvern]

if i had money

[gaunt creek]

Uhhhh I gtg take care of something's byyee

[sacred ember]

womp

[stark flower]

At point starting with a 5in or larger was basically the only option.
🤷‍♂️

[gaunt creek]

Llama is calling you old you gonna let him do that?

[sacred ember]

wha

[gaunt creek]

I like drama 🎭 🍿

[stark flower]

Bruh by the sound of voices in chat when they did the giveaway.
I'M older than most of the server.
💀

[sacred ember]

the average age of people here is like 14

[gaunt creek]

Yikes

[soft pecan]

it used to be different

[sacred ember]

we became too big

[gaunt creek]

I got recommendations from a 13 year old and now I'm in crippling debt

[tropic wyvern]

[gaunt creek]

Im 24 🫠

[sacred ember]

it always frustrates me when people try to help others when they don't have the knowledge to

[tropic wyvern]

im like 13 also but i like atleast try to give good advice and not troll

[stark flower]

"X brand is trash and always has been!"

-person that has been in the hobby for a week, never owned the brand and knows nothing but hearsay.

[tropic wyvern]

real

[sacred ember]

BetaFPV actually is a shit brand, I saw someone say their goggles arent good

[tropic wyvern]

lmao

i havent owned aot of stuuf but i atleast try to give the best advice possible, imo i know pretty mutch for a yougster like me , IMO

[stark flower]

Also the whole.
"Just tell me what's best."
Mentality makes me wanna stab PPL in the face with a soldering iron.

Do thoose MF's go to a restaurant and just tell the waiter:
"gimme the best meal."

Fuckin learn to process information and your own preferences.

[tropic wyvern]

lmao

real tho

https://dutchdroneracing.com/minispec/

i lick just bought a 3.5'' tinytrainer

and the frame aint that expensive

(i have to use that frame bc yes)

[split lichen]

It’s situational

You can’t act like it’s always a no

[split lichen]

I at no point forced you to do anything, and everything I did was verified by other people

You are the one who flew it into a damn lake

[split lichen]

Rekt

[tropic wyvern]

wa

i like it

like it cool for the audience

and the frame isnt expensive at all

[split lichen]

The fact there’s no races?

[tropic wyvern]

not yet

its like just announced

[gaunt creek]

You mean I should not be advising to embold to get the dji neo 😅

[gaunt creek]

Yeah but who's the best pilot

[gaunt creek]

False

[stark flower]

Probably peper or vannover.

[gaunt creek]

I was not the one flying. And it was a crash into grass

[gaunt creek]

I don't know peper

I'll have to see

[split lichen]

You are the one who flew in wet conditions without the conformal coating I told you to use*

[gaunt creek]

I have no counter argument to that

[hallow oriole]

I think we should do an analysis. I want to see the amount of money compared to the number of messages in this chat. How much have you paid because you read funny messages that made you want to buy stuff

How many dabloons per message

[gaunt creek]

Currently the ratio is 7.6 to 11

[gaunt creek]

You guys simultaneously saved and ruined my life

[soft pecan]

para should've just bought the aquila16

[hallow oriole]

thats not really a ratio. it should have a 1 on one of the two sides lmao

i guess its a ratio

its a stupid one tho

[gaunt creek]

Then fix it

[gaunt creek]

Sure link me up

[soft pecan]

https://betafpv.com/products/aquila16-fpv-kit

https://betafpv.com/products/aquila16-exclusive-battery-2pcs

[hallow oriole]

wha the fuck is this shit

[soft pecan]

the most fantasticest not a scam totally bestest beginner drone ever

[split lichen]

Do y’all think the Aquila16 or Cetusx is better?

Assuming both the non betaflight version to make it somewhat fair

[soft pecan]

cetus

[split lichen]

Damn really?

I was thinking Aquila since I’ve heard less bad things about the ground gear

[soft pecan]

yeah because no one is buying it

and when they do the drone is so crappy it breaks instantly

[split lichen]

Yeeeaahh that’s fair

[soft pecan]

say whatever you want but a side effect of the cetus being so crappy is that it is more tanky than a lot of tinywhoops

[split lichen]

Also non proprietary batteries

[median fable]

It actually does rip cause its 2s

[median fable]

0.69:1

[gaunt creek]

I can't buy this

I'm learning to hate betafpv

[soft pecan]

oh fine

you caught me

[gaunt creek]

Nice

[soft pecan]

there's something better

https://newbeedrone.com/products/newbeedrone-vrdrone-rtf-bundle-kit-v2-5

here you go

[hallow oriole]

ooooh i heard those brushed motors are new

i think theyre going to kill the brushless ones

[soft pecan]

crazy new tech

[median fable]

ChatGPT

[gaunt creek]

Woah its VR!

[median fable]

[gaunt creek]

Its so cheap I should buy 3!

[gaunt creek]

I want a MEGA BIG SCREEN

[soft pecan]

is virtual reality

[hallow oriole]

my friend nate

is building a 3"

he just got his motors

well

motor

he only ordered one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1249556138048094218.gif

[hallow oriole]

i just got a quest 3 and a wifi 7 router

shit is NUTS

[soft pecan]

i have a wifi 7 router but no quest 3

what do

[hallow oriole]

buy quest 3

and gaming pc

then pcvr

play vtol vr with me

[soft pecan]

we already have valve index

it just hangs there

[hallow oriole]

actually im kinda sad because i have to order prescription lenses

do you have a pc to run stuff on

like

with vram

[soft pecan]

yes

[hallow oriole]

play vr games then

wtf

[soft pecan]

but I can't see shit in those things

[hallow oriole]

like you need prescription lenses?

[soft pecan]

and I literally do not care enough to spend 100 bucks on prescription lenses

[hallow oriole]

its so worth it

i got some for the quest 2

so worth it

[soft pecan]

i would just play beamng i swear

[hallow oriole]

[soft pecan]

i don't know what happens in vr

[hallow oriole]

i just got a mech game that i gotta try

[hallow oriole]

only one way to find out

[soft pecan]

i mean i might

[gaunt creek]

You guys sound like boomers

[soft pecan]

i like it more when i get called velma

[gaunt creek]

🤣

[gaunt creek]

DW I use Prescription glasses too 🤓

Just not for vr

[soft pecan]

i don't even have problems with near sight

[gaunt creek]

Recommend the shit out of phasmaphobia in vr

[hallow oriole]

my eyesight is cooked

[hallow oriole]

i have done that

scary

i havent done it in a while tho

i dunno if ive done it with this computer

there used to be some multiplayer bugs with it if you mixed vr and flatscreen but it wasnt too bad

[median fable]

What…is it?

[hallow oriole]

i do not play phas alone

scary

[median fable]

What type of scary is it?

[hallow oriole]

so the idea of the game is your team is ghost hunters

you cannot kill the ghost

you want to find out what type of ghost it is

using evidence, such as, does the ghost cause freezing temperatures? can it leave fingerprints? and you narrow it down

the ghost will insta kill you if it touches you

when it hunts, the lights flicker, sounds change, its awful

the door locks you into the house

[median fable]

What do they look like? And can you see all of them or any?

[hallow oriole]

depends on the ghost

[soft pecan]

so basically you are in a team of people with no idea what you're doing and then you just kind of sit there while you get killed one by one with the same animation over and over

[hallow oriole]

you could have a crawling baby or a zombie or an apparition

its really a pretty neat game

i have 40 hours in it

[median fable]

Idk why, but if any look like the ring, I’ll literally scream

Thing is scary

[median fable]

Sounds like it

I’m a loser when it comes to horror stuff

Even though I listen to the horror movie equivalent of music😂

[hallow oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjvlzaiMQbU

a revenant is one of the most aggressive and dangerous types

it can be funny but its also terrifying

[median fable]

Oh yeah no chance, I’m gonna sleep tonight thank you😅

[hallow oriole]

lmao

that ones not scary, theyre laughing the whole time

[soft pecan]

deserved

[median fable]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-shy-kermit-terrified-scared-gif-3186014724530266078

[gaunt creek]

i had 600 so it was one of my least played games

[hallow oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-at-the-when-he-gif-25019676

[gaunt creek]

if its sub 1k im not there yet you know?

im glad I gave it up tho

[median fable]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-joe-in-disbelief-gif-9983194377714005725

[gaunt creek]

cant wait till im 10k hours in on flight time irl

ill prolly be able to do a vanny roll by then

[hallow oriole]

lmao

[gaunt creek]

my highest games got to 4kish hours and thats like five games

then i had to grow up

[hallow oriole]

my highest on steam is 510 or so i think but im sure my minecraft hours are past 2k

[gaunt creek]

and buy remote control toys!

[gaunt creek]

who doesnt have 2k in minecraft

welp i have alot of work tommorow so goodnight

[hallow oriole]

lol

cya

[median fable]

Agreed

Best game ever

Only game I play

[gaunt creek]

DHL needs me to pay 73 dollars for a "duty"?

WTF is that why didn't it charge me before shipping

Duty Payment Requirement?!

[median fable]

Yeah honestly I have no idea

[stark flower]

Was only a thing in countries with import duties in the past.
Mainly European countries.
Or canada IIRC.

But now USA gets to enjoy it too!
💀

[primal cape]

happened to me as well but I am in Luxembourg so yeah, apparently US got it too, enjoy

but it was like once, already ordered a few other times and didn't need to pay anything

dont know why

[stark flower]

I'm not certain every country shipper or exact rules ETC.
But I do recall some customers in certain places would always use X shipping instead of Y.

Cuz X was a bit more $$ up front.
But there was no surprise on delivery who knows how much extra charge like Y.

TBH I'd not expect the dust to settle on this in the USA for a long while.
Order from inside your own country should avoid it, assuming there is a store that has what you want in country already.

[gaunt creek]

So what happens if I don't pay?

The extra 73

[soft pecan]

what is it

because not paying isn't really a thing you can do

[stark flower]

The shipping company holds the package till you do pay it.

They may or may not send it back to the original shipper as well eventually.
But that varies company to company and depends on cost of the shipping initially as well as if there was any insurance on the package.

[gaunt creek]

and if i dont recieve it can i claim refund from original shipper?

im not interested in paying double for one part

[stark flower]

if they get the items back, sure most stores r gonna be cool about it.

so if that is the route you wanna go.
contact DHL and tell them you wanna refuse delivery and return to sender.
from there they will tell you your options.

As well as email the support team from the original shipper and let them know of this and that you are planning to return it and would like a refund.
thats a whole seperate step as well.

[gaunt creek]

sweet thanks ill try my luck

[gaunt creek]

@hallow oriole ive been watching your vids they are pretty smooth

[hallow oriole]

Dont make me blush

[gaunt creek]

i keep up tge snow one was fun the spectators looked happy

[hallow oriole]

The girl that looked like she was gonna throw something at the beginning promptly broke her collarbone getting like 6 feet of air sledding

Lmfao

Other than that it was a fun day

[gaunt creek]

Yeah fun...

Getting the YouTuber lore

[hallow oriole]

Lol

[soft pecan]

@gaunt creek https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-trade-court-0392dbd59f548e49ad4f64254ae3f94a

[wet fox]

yippee

[deft ore]

Para are you going for like 20k messages?

Or going above and beyond

[shadow bolt]

we are going for infinite messages

why set ourselves boundaries

[gaunt creek]

Thank god

[gaunt creek]

Yes

[gaunt creek]

I can see why you avoid VC now btw. Some are the awesome and others somehow think that trump is not the worst thing ever.

[gaunt creek]

We will overthrow this server

[stark flower]

There's a voice chat here?

[gaunt creek]

The General VC

[gaunt creek]

Its got some of the best like slow-food and benry. After that its a bunch of 12-15 year olds.

[soft pecan]

I'm surprised that isn't moderated by SlowFood then, given anything related to that would be against the rules.

[gaunt creek]

They saved me hella money tho so it's a mixed bag 👜

[soft pecan]

yeah other than increased taxes you're paying because of them

and them being the reason you had to pay tariffs

I wouldn't say it's that much of a mixed bag

[gaunt creek]

Lol only half of them are telling me constantly how straight and not insecure they are.

[soft pecan]

it's all so fucked

[gaunt creek]

A lot are not like that

Thus mixed

[soft pecan]

I know

just angry

don't like to see people vanish and stuff you know

[gaunt creek]

But also a lot are. . .

[gaunt creek]

Agreed

Have you ever coordinated with slowfoods and benry before tho? They know their shit

[soft pecan]

coordinated?

[gaunt creek]

Like worked together to help someone with drone stuffs

[soft pecan]

only in text chat

and well, you I suppose count?

[gaunt creek]

Yeah but like I'm an idiot

And listen to everyone

[soft pecan]

if you're an idiot then I'm suddenly a lot more positive about the world currently

[gaunt creek]

Aw thanks ❤️🥺

[gaunt creek]

When did you join the drone space?

I've been looking into the history of fpv and it seems this hobby is still quite young

Its all so cool

[soft pecan]

i probably got interested in fpv wings in like 2017-2018

and bought my first stuff in 2020

[gaunt creek]

And it all started around the 2010s yeah?

With fixed wings as the beginning

[soft pecan]

quadcopters? probably, maybe a bit later

[gaunt creek]

Fpv

That's wild

[soft pecan]

there's a cool documentary on youtube out there somewhere, people strapping wireless CCTV cameras onto planes in the 90s

[stark flower]

Yeah FPV itself is old AF.

[gaunt creek]

I suppose it's all relative

And also all cool

I think I came into the hobby now while it's still in its toddler age. It's gonna change dramatically over the next 10 years I'm sure

[stark flower]

The point in which there was off the shelf hardware and easily accessable tutorials and the average person could get online and learn to buld a FPV quad was ~2014-2016ish.
Depending on what levels you mean by "off the shelf hardware"

[gaunt creek]

What do you guys know about mapping with drones?

[stark flower]

buy/borrow DJI drone compatable with it.
acces job and control system thru drone deploy.
107 aprooval.
EZ $$.

Well it was for a while there.

[gaunt creek]

I got 107 im just wondering cuz I work in the woods and our map is horribly outdated

[stark flower]

Nature is a tricky prospect to map, say for something such as a trail.
Cuz what you can see will vary season to season depending on brush etc.

I've really only got experince with industrial/construstion applications of mapping stuff.
Most of which were all pre defined by customer and drone deploy.

So literally all u do is show up, get approval.
Then let the shit fly itself.

They use it mainly for time-lapse of construction.
So that same exact flight path taken multiple times over months.
To aggregate them into one as a time-lapse flight.

[gaunt creek]

I'm working on various sites year round and would like to map it just for summer time cuz that's when it's most busy

The main site I'm incharge of

[stark flower]

NGL sounds too diffrent from my experince for me to be of much help.
but yeah look and see if drone deploy can do anyhting with your needs.
Cuz it did majority of the lifitng for stuff i have done.

[tropic wyvern]

hell yeah

4-5 hours in 1 day

[soft pecan]

appeals court reinstated the tariffs

go riot

[shadow bolt]

go overthrow the orange

[split lichen]

Bro

Actually?

[soft pecan]

yes

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-5-29-2025

[split lichen]

This is bullshit

[soft pecan]

yes

[split lichen]

How are there still people who think they are a good idea

[shadow bolt]

people who have enough money not to notice the difference

like the goofy asses over in the american government

[soft pecan]

the rich get richer

and the people they dislike get vanished

and rights get taken away

[stark flower]

They, personally benifit from it in some way or another.
Say I have a large ish biz that can just barely afford it.
But my only competition to my biz is a bit smaller and can't afford it.

If my enemy goes out of business then I'll get all their customers.
Thus making the short term costs/pain irrelevant in the long run.

As with most political things that make no sense to most of the people on the planet.
It makes the certain person bribing the politicians money, so......

Sorry I can't find this ad on anything but a cringe news site, but yeah.
That's whats goin on.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/shocking-new-ad-shows-republicans-literally-blowing-wealthy-donor/

[shadow bolt]

this is beautiful

[gaunt creek]

unsurprising and disappointing

[wet fox]

damn

i had a lil hope there for a second

silly me

[wet fox]

im still not super sure, like how is anyone benifiting from the tarrifs

[stark flower]

Also it's a effective distraction.
IMO the AI law shit is by a massive, immeasurable margin more important.

But here we are talking about tariffs.

[wet fox]

i mean everything 🍊 does is a distraction. like the "tRuMp gOlD cArD"

i would say tarrifs are pretty important tho, they're really fucking up the global economy and putting a lot of businesses both here and abroad out of business

[stark flower]

Don't get me wrong they are a big change, expensive and probably ultimately a net negative for majority of the public.

But imagine how pigheaded the government would have had to have been around the invention of the car to say "Nah it's now law that no state can make any laws that control cars at all whatsoever for 10 years."
Shit would have hit the fan.
Let cars run over PPL if they want, cant make a law against it.

[wet fox]

no im aware, the Ai laws (and a bunch of stuff in that ridiculous bill) are a really big issue

my nightly doomscrolling has turned into researching how to move to Canada

[stark flower]

Im thinking Argentina.
Gotta work on my spanish tho.

[split lichen]

I want the Netherlands

[stark flower]

Switzerland would be aight also.

[wet fox]

ooh argentina would be nice

idk it all really depends on where would be easy to immigrate to

i wonder if any countries will make it easier for american citizens to become citizens there

i would give them a cookie

🍪

[shadow bolt]

Come over here in glorious france

[stark flower]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-perhaps-maybe-gif-16249623

Do I need to marry u to get citizenship?

[shadow bolt]

Quite unfortunately no

But we can still arrange it

[stark flower]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-heist-gif-23353762

[wet fox]

im so down for french citizenship

looks kinda hard to get tho

[shadow bolt]

Not really

Well, not any harder than elsewhere

[wet fox]

doesn't france have those 1 euro houses too

[wet fox]

it's hard everywhere :(

[shadow bolt]

I mean, citizenship is kind of a big thing

[shadow bolt]

How's next Wednesday for you ?

[wet fox]

yea

is there something below citizenship that just allows you to live there?

yea, i'd prob go for the Carte de Résident

[shadow bolt]

Getting in and not leaving

[hallow oriole]

to play devils advocate

frankly if you dont understand why someone else thinks what they think, you really have no room to argue with them

an argument will never be productive if you cant understand the other side first, thats step 1

[split lichen]

Jason I’m going to tariff everything you do

[hallow oriole]

lmao

im just saying youre being blindly mad at them

[split lichen]

It was never an argument

[hallow oriole]

there are people out there that love trump

youd probably argue with them

[split lichen]

They will never listen

[hallow oriole]

well apparently neither do you...

see what im getting at?

it wont ever be productive if both sides think like that

because they think the same exact thing about you, they think you wont listen

[split lichen]

I do

[hallow oriole]

point is, that mentality creates a lot of hate in this world

[split lichen]

But it’s not like politicians who are doing something thst affects millions of people negatively for their own benefit are going to listen to any one of them

But yes I get your point

[hallow oriole]

politicians are just evil in general bro, im convinced theres not a single good one out there

i was more applying to the average person, like... the majority of the US that voted for trump

and it does go both ways of course

[gaunt creek]

in the VC yesterday the reason i was given is because trump would not waist money on "telling kids to change genders" or "waist money on trans people"

[wet fox]

i've talked to many of these ppl and heard what they think

frankly they're just kinda misinformed

[hallow oriole]

in that case you just gotta realize they cant be reasoned with and walk away and be the bigger man

[wet fox]

and saying "kinda" is VERY GENEROUS

and mostly just like him because of some misguided nationalism

[gaunt creek]

But they called me gay 😢.

[wet fox]

i see what you're getting at tho jason

[gaunt creek]

although.....

[hallow oriole]

this is fine, much better to say that than just say "theyre stupid and they dont listen" lol. the goal is to get to the bottom of the problem

[hallow oriole]

lmao

[hallow oriole]

its the internet

[wet fox]

they call me gay... and they're not wrong baybee :crabraveemoji:

[hallow oriole]

i think most people have been called gay on the internet

[gaunt creek]

i can become the biggest man

[hallow oriole]

lmfao

[wet fox]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-gif-27622028

[hallow oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/853127164470755378.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[wet fox]

idk just also a lot of *phobia coming from that side of the isle

and im not talking kabourophobia

[stark flower]

Lets elope and do it tonight via zoom, the courts cain wait!

[wet fox]

let me get in on this lol

[stark flower]

Bernie has always been honest and looking out for average PPL I feel.
Granted he lives in fantasy land with some policy ideas.

But overall the stuff he wants and says he'd like to happen are things most average USA citizens actually want.
Some just want a different person to say it instead tho so..... NOPE to bernie.

[shadow bolt]

I dun have zoom tho

We can on discord

[stark flower]

Which of the 2 options do you feel better describes a way to add a Mario cart-esque feature into a drone race as an alternative gate:

A: Easier to hit reward gate that has a detour to get to.

B: Nearly impossible to hit reward gate that has no detour and is in the middle of biggest straightaway on the track.

[shadow bolt]

B

[hallow oriole]

A wtf

[cloud seal]

id say keep it simple?

[soft pecan]

B

[ruby ice]

how about a detour that is near impossible and half based on luck, and gives barely any reward but gives crazy bragging rights

[gaunt creek]

@wet fox did you enjoy your visit to the vc

[gaunt creek]

lets do it

[wet fox]

no

[gaunt creek]

im almost done getting my Irish citizenship

[wet fox]

i heard “i will fart in your buttcrack lefmis” and thought “that’s enough for me”

[gaunt creek]

yeah @idle fractal care to explain what you ment by that?

[wet fox]

i don’t wanna know

i broke my rule abt avoiding public vcs and immediately paid the price

[gaunt creek]

fair

[gaunt creek]

do you sim?

what sim u use for fpv

[wet fox]

yea

liftoff, velocidrone, and uncrashed

[gaunt creek]

wanna uncrashed with me?

[wet fox]

soz not rn

maybe in the future

[gaunt creek]

soz?

[wet fox]

i’m getting over some of the worst food poisoning of my life

[wet fox]

sorry

shorthand

[gaunt creek]

oh sorry to hear that i wanna see other people fly and get commentary on what i should learn next

[wet fox]

i mean i’m not great but that sounds fun

i vote juicy flick

[gaunt creek]

only if you can deminstrate

[wet fox]

https://tenor.com/view/juicy-lee-hajoon-hajoon-jaehyeong-lee-jaehyeong-gif-26362178

[gaunt creek]

anyone wanna sim with me lemme know i wanna practice with others but the public VCs are not droning rn

a moderator heard you

[wet fox]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-gonna-go-cry-allright-gif-9071452151662600667

[brave moth]

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-gif-27048745