Para's House. (Goodbye)

[gaunt creek]

(don't forget to leave a pain reaction to show your support)

[split lichen]

I’m gonna be honest this isint very descriptive

And it doesn’t say what you want

This dude wants to build a 5inch, 90% sure he wants the o4 pro, he’s decided on the boxer but hasn’t confirmed dji yet

To my knowledge has no soldering gear

[gaunt creek]

@slim pilot

[slim pilot]

yes

[gaunt creek]

@hallow oriole

Just showing where we moved for our super exciting

Chat

[polar ether]

so did you decide if you wanted to build or get a bnf?

[gaunt creek]

I want to be happy

That's all I know

[hallow oriole]

phenomenal

[gaunt creek]

I was told I want a 5 inch

Prolly

I am currently stuck on the goggles next

[hallow oriole]

5" is typically not what we recommend to beginners because they can be a little dangerous and smaller is often more durable, but if you want to fly in the middle of no where, the speed will be nice. I started with a 5" when I was like 13, so it's not like its impossible

[hallow oriole]

i really reccomend just watching some youtube comparisons and picking one. youll have fun regardless

dont watch uavfutures

or hoarder sam

or troncat

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[hallow oriole]

joshua bardwell is good

lol

we do our best to minmax everything so you get the best value but youll have fun regardless so dont stress too much

[gaunt creek]

Okay I will do my HW thank you everyone!

I will come back asking to make a raspberry pie that flies

[hallow oriole]

lmao

np

one last thing @gaunt creek https://rotorbuilds.com/reviews this site here is amazing for looking at examples. i learn by examples and this helps me a ton, not all the builds are good but in general they fly so you know the parts they used are compatible, they've got some build pictures, and you can search for any size

[gaunt creek]

Interesting

[hallow oriole]

thats the guides section so its long build guides made by the guy that owns the site, the pictures are great but the parts are pretty old

[gaunt creek]

Will look into

[hallow oriole]

https://rotorbuilds.com/profile/9393 this is my profile (:

[split lichen]

Someone link the vitroid page

[polar ether]

https://www.vitroidfpv.com/

[split lichen]

Then this specifically https://www.vitroidfpv.com/builds/5inch-beginner

[gaunt creek]

Your drones are awesome!

They use the X goggles yes?

The long range is my favorite

Okay back to homework

[hallow oriole]

lmao ty, actually none of the ones on there use goggles x, theyre all analog. i just got my goggles X and vtx last week, so im working on building my first digital quad now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AobRkyp-BRg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LBCHw5xC0M analog looks like this inside the goggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ru6_S8ioc and this is walksnail inside the goggles

analog looks a lot worse, but its a LOT cheaper and lower latency

it was the first fpv system, digital was only created in the last probably 3 or 4 years i think

when i started, everything was analog and analog only

[hallow oriole]

i still need to pid tune that lol ive been lazy

[gaunt creek]

Wow you are incredible at flying

[hallow oriole]

im decent

ive been doing it for a long time now but i dont actually fly very often

ty tho lol

[gaunt creek]

I have made a decision

DJI For a couple reasons

It seems to fit my goals the best

The goggles to be spesific

[polar ether]

Goggles 3?

[gaunt creek]

That's the next decision

3 vs N3

[polar ether]

if you can afford it get the 3 then

but it's probably easier to find the drone next, an o4 unit will work with both goggles

[gaunt creek]

Yeah before I get to that I want to due diligence and make sure about the radio

[hallow oriole]

the boxer?

boxer is good

keep boxer

[gaunt creek]

The boxer thingy I know nothing about

[polar ether]

Your two choices basically come down to a boxer or a pocket lol

they both work with ELRS 2.4

[hallow oriole]

the plus side is you dont really need to know anything about it. unlike everything else, it is simply the best. theres like 2 other options that rival it and it doesnt really matter

i like the t15 but the boxer is more popular

its really the same functionality

[gaunt creek]

Alright would you guys show me exactly which boxer to use?

[hallow oriole]

theres a boxer and theres a boxer crush

iirc the only difference is the crush has upgraded gimbals and it comes in fancy colors

[gaunt creek]

Ooooo

[hallow oriole]

you dont need the nice gimbals, but if you ever decide to upgrade them, this saves money

just pick whatever really, thats the only difference

[gaunt creek]

I'm trying to look long term so I'll take a quick look

[slim pilot]

are you planning to teach him how to set everything up lol

bc paring dji to non dji is hard tbh

[split lichen]

Skill issue

[hallow oriole]

yeah everyone just comes back when they need it and we help em lol

[split lichen]

If he asks

[hallow oriole]

what to what

[gaunt creek]

🙃

[slim pilot]

lol

[split lichen]

Pairing elrs is hard

And it’s made harder by dji ig

[hallow oriole]

elrs is definitely goofy depending how you do it

[hallow oriole]

how

[split lichen]

“Pairing dji to non dji is hard”

[hallow oriole]

i dont see how elrs effects it

[split lichen]

Neither do I

[hallow oriole]

i dont know much about dji tho so idk

[split lichen]

I was teasing the other guy

[gaunt creek]

I like pretty colors

[split lichen]

Indeed

Should get pink

[hallow oriole]

my t15 is pink

[split lichen]

Pretty pink but weird photo

Idk something is off

Oh para do you like stickers

[polar ether]

who makes it?

[gaunt creek]

Boxer crush, DJI goggles n3 or 3, Drone with O4 unit. This plan so far sounds okay?

[split lichen]

You are going to get a lot of stickers

[split lichen]

Yeee

Gah Jason eep

[hallow oriole]

Jumper. Its a little lower quality than a boxer but iirc its cheaper, has a touchscreen, only uses one usb port, and retains all the same functionality. "Lower quality" is just... Cheaper plastic i guess

[hallow oriole]

Ahahahaha

I should

[gaunt creek]

Wait I was just feeling confident about boxer 😢

But I never looked at jumper

[polar ether]

then get a pocket and figure out what you want in a controller

you can't really chose wrong here

[hallow oriole]

Haha, the two radios are very very similar. The plus side is that it doesn't effect the rest of your gear at all. You can look at them later and pick whatever you want and keep everything else the same

Theyre both elrs, both run the opentx firmware

[gaunt creek]

The feck is a pocket?

😐

[split lichen]

Something to store stuff, typically in clothing

[hallow oriole]

Rm pocket is a cheap radio, little bit smaller and a few less switches but it runs elrs and edgetx

[polar ether]

https://www.radiomasterrc.com/products/pocket-radio-controller-m2

[hallow oriole]

It is smaller

So keep in mind its usually a bit of a downgrade from the t15 or boxer unless you have tiny hands or want smaller for packing stuff up

But theyre cheap

[split lichen]

Boxer is good

[hallow oriole]

And they have the same overall functionality

All these radios do the same exact things

Its just bells and whistles and size/gimbals that are different

[gaunt creek]

Okay so drone is the last step then

[hallow oriole]

Id say so

[gaunt creek]

Easy part right?

[hallow oriole]

Although batteries and chargers might go after that

[gaunt creek]

Also unrelated what are the parts of a drone

[hallow oriole]

Where's that vitroid link

@split lichen

[gaunt creek]

And how do you put them together

[split lichen]

Lemme get it

https://www.vitroidfpv.com/builds/anatomy/5inch-analog

[hallow oriole]

They're all pretty similar, these guides are good

[gaunt creek]

Okay so a drone has many parts

What parts does the O4 main unit cover?

[split lichen]

The 04 is a camera, vtx, and antenna bundle

[hallow oriole]

Yup

[gaunt creek]

Cute

[hallow oriole]

You'll also need fc/esc which usually come together as a stack of two boards that go in the middle of the quad

An elrs reciever, which comes with antennas for it

Frame

Motors

Props

You can add a gps if you want

[split lichen]

Why thank you

[hallow oriole]

Batteries

[gaunt creek]

You guys are the best

[hallow oriole]

Making me blush

[split lichen]

Happi

[gaunt creek]

GPS shouldn't matter if I don't have a part 107 no?

Got to remain in FOV at all times

[split lichen]

I meannnn

[split lichen]

Nah that’s a rid module

GPS is for you

[gaunt creek]

Rid module?

[split lichen]

Remote id

[gaunt creek]

Part 107 is a legal term for American flights

[polar ether]

That's for commercial. You plan on flying for money?

[hallow oriole]

Gps means you can set up RTH rescue, if you lose connection it will return instead of fall out of the sky. Not required, but nice to have if you fly pretty far. You really don't need one as a beginner

Long range is not a beginner activity

[gaunt creek]

No sir I have only a trust. What I'm saying is doesnt it have to stay where I can see it anyways

[hallow oriole]

RID is a transponder thats needed if youre over 250g or if youre operating under 107

[gaunt creek]

Ohhhhh

[polar ether]

Technically the craft must stay in line of sight.

Technically...

[gaunt creek]

I see

[hallow oriole]

Youre technically already breaking that with fpv if you dont have a spotter. Truth is we just kinda ignore the law a lot of the time and fly safely

[gaunt creek]

Got it

[hallow oriole]

The faa did not design their rules around this sort of aircraft lol

[polar ether]

Just be smart, don't fly around crowded areas and use common sense.

[hallow oriole]

Don't go too high, dont bother anyone, dont fly at an airport

[gaunt creek]

I do have a VO

Gotca

[hallow oriole]

I think it was less than 20 people in the whole us last year that the faa considered fining. They don't come after you unless you are actively an issue

[gaunt creek]

Cool

[split lichen]

Do they even care if someone reports you?

[hallow oriole]

A 5" is gonna require an rid module to be legal, but most people dont really bother with it anyways. I only got one a few months ago and i don't even bother putting it on the quad

[hallow oriole]

Depends what you were doing

[split lichen]

Normal 250+ flying

[hallow oriole]

Video evidence of you diving a landing jet? Cough cough

Yes

But

"wah wah some dude flew over my house"

No

Its not worth their resources

[split lichen]

Video evidence of a yellow bush plane(forgot the specific type don’t hit me) flying directly over you?

If someone is gonna report me, it’s gonna be for flying in a field

[hallow oriole]

Are you talking about the firework video?

Yeah if you're in a field no one cares

[gaunt creek]

I'll go for the rid module just to be safe

[split lichen]

A school field

[hallow oriole]

Theyre not weighing your quad

[split lichen]

Nah the goober who was landing smth and a camera drone missed him by like 5 feet

[hallow oriole]

Youll also have to spend 5 bucks registering online with the faa, its not too hard

[split lichen]

Both pilots knew of each other, it was planned

[hallow oriole]

I don't think ive seen that one

[gaunt creek]

I don't want to get my ankles broken

[hallow oriole]

Lmao

[split lichen]

I’ll find it eventually

God I need a new spot

Long story but classic e-bike kids frequent mine

[hallow oriole]

In the last 8 years ive had approximately zero people come up to me even

Just depends where you are

[split lichen]

Stupid ass e-bike kids

[hallow oriole]

Lmao

I have an esk8

[split lichen]

Everyone in my town is old and people tend to drive slow instead of fast

[hallow oriole]

Unfortunate

[split lichen]

Indeed

It’s assholes enabled by e-bikes, nothing wrong with e-bikes

[hallow oriole]

Side by sides are the same way in the offroad world

[split lichen]

The rare surron owner is nice though

[split lichen]

I wan an atv or smth so bad

Should we move to off topic

[hallow oriole]

Ive got a 4 wheeler and a truck but no where to actually drive off road

I gotta eep

[split lichen]

Man

[hallow oriole]

But i will continue said conversation tomorrow

Lmao

[gaunt creek]

I must commit sleep I will return on the morrow. Thank you both for your efforts

[gaunt creek]

Same

[split lichen]

Anyway the one time I’ve been able to drive an atv was at a shitty summer camp and it’s speed was super limited

[hallow oriole]

[split lichen]

Mega dusty though so could drift easily

Also had dirtbikes, absolutely sucked at them

Almost broke my foot like twice

[hallow oriole]

I want to reply to this but that would mean not sleeping

[split lichen]

Gn(for real this time)

[hallow oriole]

I will respond tomorrow

Gn

[split lichen]

Will remind you

Ooo I have another fun thing

Tmr

[gaunt creek]

Im back sirs

[gaunt creek]

Guys I committed a silly

I bought the DJI goggles 3 and the crush boxer radio

[split lichen]

Hype

Did you get a battery for the radio

[gaunt creek]

No...

Need that?

[split lichen]

Yes

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[split lichen]

Is that Amazon…

[gaunt creek]

Yes 🙂

[split lichen]

How much did you pay for the boxer

I told you so many good stores

[gaunt creek]

I am a teacher so parents gave me over 300 dollars in cards

For Amazon

[split lichen]

How much did you spend on the boxer

[gaunt creek]

....

Money

[split lichen]

Anyway yes you need a battery for it

Two 18650s

[gaunt creek]

200 for the crush 😶

[split lichen]

Godamnit

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[split lichen]

Overypayed by like 10

But please please avoid Amazon from now on

Especially for parts for your build

[gaunt creek]

That's not terrible considering the gift cards

I get it

[split lichen]

It also looks weird

That’s not a normal boxer color

I found the listing

That’s not from radiomaster

Oh well

[gaunt creek]

Good news is because of the gift cards I was able to extend the budget

https://a.co/d/j5i2Cri

[split lichen]

Yes I know I found it already

[gaunt creek]

Take a look because it is likely not to late to change the order

It looked up to snuff to me

[split lichen]

I’d just not get the boxer off Amazon

It’s kinda risky

[gaunt creek]

Gotcha

[split lichen]

Anyway get the radiomaster lipo or 2 18650s

[gaunt creek]

Promise will not buy from them again o7

[split lichen]

There’s a few rare exceptions

Like 2

[gaunt creek]

So I now have around 500 left because of the gift cards that's good right?

[gaunt creek]

Idk what those are

[polar ether]

18650s are a battery type like AA and AAA are. Get two of them to power the boxer (in series is 2s), or a 2s lipo battery. That’s what @split lichen meant.

[gaunt creek]

I see

I canceld the boxer purchase and kept the Goggles 3 purchase so I can use the gift cards

So I can get the Boxer and its Peripherals from where y'all think is best

Gotta save money wherever I can

[split lichen]

aight

id go pyrodrone

i love pyrodrone

free shipping

https://pyrodrone.com/products/radiomaster-boxer-crush-rc-transmitter-w-ag01-hall-gimbals-elrs-choose-color

also the budget might be tight, 500 for a digital 5inch, lipos, charger, soldering gear is gonna be a little hard

https://pyrodrone.com/products/radiomaster-18650-3200mah-3-7v-battery-2pcs-for-tx16s-boxer-tx12-pocket-mt12-radios?pr_prod_strat=jac&pr_rec_id=8304f0003&pr_rec_pid=7191681695787&pr_ref_pid=7041060634667&pr_seq=uniform

[gaunt creek]

Wait these are literally double As

Do any double As work?

[daring falcon]

No

They're different size

[gaunt creek]

Oh

[daring falcon]

And 18650s are lithium, rechargeable

[gaunt creek]

I see

[split lichen]

[gaunt creek]

So what are the differences of the 2 batteries

[split lichen]

Wdym

These have different chemistry, are a different size, a different voltage, and are rechargeable

[gaunt creek]

Is there 2 choices or did I misunderstand

[split lichen]

kinda

a lipo or 2 18650s

a lipo will last longer

one issue is that pyrodrone doesnt have the right one in stock

[gaunt creek]

One lipo or 2 of the 18650

[split lichen]

yes

thats the choice

if you go for the lipo you are gonna want to order from a different us store

[gaunt creek]

Are both rechargeable

[split lichen]

yes

[gaunt creek]

But the lipo is better?

[split lichen]

yes

[gaunt creek]

What makes it better?

[split lichen]

https://www.getfpv.com/radiomaster-boxer-crush-radio-controller-m2-elrs-2-4ghz.html

[split lichen]

longer battery life

[split lichen]

nvm the lipo is out of stock here aswell

[gaunt creek]

Heck

[split lichen]

https://www.racedayquads.com/products/radiomaster-boxer-crush-rc-transmitter-elrs-2-4ghz-choose-your-color?keyword=boxer crush

[gaunt creek]

How much battery life is the difference

[split lichen]

aight welp its out of stock everywhere

[split lichen]

like a few days vs a week

depends on how often you use it

Just order from pyro and get the 18650s

[gaunt creek]

But since it's rechargable it's not the end of the world right?

[split lichen]

Yup

[gaunt creek]

And I'll be able to tell when it is low?

Also how will I recharge it?

[polar ether]

Yeah it has a status on the radio. Recharge via the usb port.

[gaunt creek]

Oh I can carge with the remote closed

[polar ether]

Can you charge the radio when it's off? Yeah

[daring falcon]

Yeah

[gaunt creek]

Cool I'll get the controller

[daring falcon]

You just plug it in to a USB C charger like your phone

[gaunt creek]

And the 18650s

[daring falcon]

Well, the 18650s are being charged by the charging circuitry in your controller

The controller uses 18650s as batteries, charging them as well by USB C, no need for external charger

[gaunt creek]

Cute

So next up is Sodering stuffs yeah?

[gaunt creek]

I may have to spread the purchasing out

[polar ether]

50 bucks for soldering equipment should be more than enough

an iron, flux, solder, tip cleaner

[split lichen]

Pincel

Bruh

Poor guy

Para how much are you able to stretch your budget if need be

We should be able to stay under 1000

The issue is the quad(nazgul with 04) is 430

Idk if you are gonna be able to afford under 1k build it yourself

Which is fine

[polar ether]

its gonna be tight with an o4 prebuilt i think

[split lichen]

Yep

But at least doable

Actually not doable

Man

430 for quad, 80 for charger, 100 for lipos

That’s like 1100

Wait wouldn’t we only be at 200 rn

[gaunt creek]

Oof so if I. Break the drone I'm out 1k?

[split lichen]

Since goggles were with giftcard

[split lichen]

What

No

Just repair it you goof

That’s another reason we hate djis quads

Unless you dunk it in water(even then not a guaranteed death)max repair cost will be like 175

[polar ether]

missing anything?

[gaunt creek]

I'll see what I can do with budgeting

[split lichen]

WAIT

PARA

the goggles are fine to get off Amazon

Since dji has an official store

Oh wow the goggles 3 are more then I thought

[gaunt creek]

Guys forget the goggles and the controller the 500 is not including those two things

I already bought them

[split lichen]

We know

[gaunt creek]

I left the 500 for the drone

[split lichen]

Yes that’s what we are doing

The prebuilt is 430

And that’s cheaper then building it yourself

70 isint enough for a charger and lipos

[gaunt creek]

I will try to extend budget how I can

[split lichen]

Hmmm

[gaunt creek]

So prebuilt is the whole drone?

[split lichen]

Yes

[gaunt creek]

What is lipos and charger?

[split lichen]

It’s 450*

[split lichen]

Batteries and battery charger

https://shop.iflight.com/Nazgul-DC5-ECO-6S-O4-HD-Pro2263?srsltid=AfmBOopsq8hgB_Hscdne0wvlsz_48kVuzCxpvNtI1uEg6AyI0ckkDlih

[gaunt creek]

So if I throw the drone in the ocean I'm out one battery and 450

[split lichen]

Why the heck are you flying over the ocean

But yes

It’s cause of the 04

[polar ether]

Lipo stands for LIthium POlymer batteries. It's a chemistry, like Nickel Zinc.

[split lichen]

Getting normal boxer instead of boxer crush would get us so we are very barely above 1000

[gaunt creek]

Thats much more swallowable

[split lichen]

Oh really

Did you think you would be out 1k

Duuudddeee

[gaunt creek]

Yes

I want to buy the best 1 of costs that will last a long time and be cheaper with the drone itself ironically

[split lichen]

Wdym

We always recommend the drone being the cheapest part

[gaunt creek]

1 off†

The best controller the beat head set and the best things that will be used across many drones

[split lichen]

So the goggles 3 should last a bit, dji is kinda scummy some times so I unfortunately can’t guarentee it will work with future releases, the boxer crush will last as long as you want though

[split lichen]

Aight

For the record, the reason I believe starting you with a 5inch is better is because of how much space you have, these are hard to fly, dangerous, and have an incredible amount of power

It takes time to fly well

5 inch quads are also more prone to damage then something smaller, so do keep that in mind

Of course they are still durable

[gaunt creek]

I see

Is the 04 spesificly for larger drones or can be used for smaller

[split lichen]

Yaros started with one

[daring falcon]

I don't know, in my experience I managed to break my 3.5" much easier than my 5", maybe it's just me tho

[split lichen]

Might be bad luck

But also the crux35(I’m assuming you got that) is gonna be less durable then a beefy 5inch

[daring falcon]

Well, I started with 10 inch so I'm not gonna comment on that

[split lichen]

0_o

Oops

Who tf was it then

[daring falcon]

O4 has the O4 Pro version which is for 3.5" and above, and it also has the regular O4 (usually called O4 lite by the community) which is for tinywhoops and 2S quads

[split lichen]

The o4 pro(the one you want) is for stuff over 3.5inches, there is something smaller(the normal 04) thst can work on whoops, it just has an fov so low you need to mod it first

[gaunt creek]

I see

I'm torn

[split lichen]

How so

Digital is worth it

[gaunt creek]

I sure on on goggles and remote just not drone size

[gaunt creek]

I agree

[daring falcon]

Look, if you're going to be in FPV for long enough, you'll end up having many sizes of drones

But your first drone should depend on your needs and flying style

[gaunt creek]

I see

[daring falcon]

If you like freestyle then 5" might be a good option, especially if you plan carrying an action camera

I usually don't recommend starting with large quads, but if you're careful and fly safely, then there should be no problem with that

[split lichen]

Keep in mind, he’s also extremely rural

[split lichen]

A 3.5inch won’t be much cheaper

And you’ll have to build it yourself

[daring falcon]

Oh, then a 5" makes sense

[split lichen]

Yup

You’ll be able to cruise so much more enjoyably

[daring falcon]

Yeah, cruising is also fun with a 5"

Something I do often because I'm not a freestyle guy

[split lichen]

I’m considering getting like a 1100mah for my 3.5

Wanna cruise more

[gaunt creek]

I do intend to make many over time. how many different options for batteries are there how much flight time? Can I use them across drones

[daring falcon]

I have 1300mAh on my 3.5"

[split lichen]

You can use batteries across drones, the issue is just some are too big

[daring falcon]

And I also have a 3000mAh LiIon 4S that I don't use because it's very heavy

[gaunt creek]

I am not interested in racing or even tricks for now

[daring falcon]

That's fine, your 5" will cruise very smoothly and nice

[split lichen]

For example, you could build a 6s 3.5inch later on that wouldn’t be able to use the 5inch lipos even though they are the same cell count

[gaunt creek]

I wanna fly high and as far as I legally can

[split lichen]

I’d start with a 5inch, then later on you can build bigger

[daring falcon]

Here's a vid of me cruising with 5"
https://youtu.be/-WQiCmlydVk

[split lichen]

Anything bigger is genuinely a safety hazard if you don’t know what you are doing

A 5inch is still a safety hazard

[daring falcon]

Well yeah

I started with a 10 inch (drone on the right) and I'm wondering how I'm still alive. The drone on the left is a 5 inch, for reference

I gotta mention that it had no arm/disarm switch, only stick commands

[gaunt creek]

Wow

[daring falcon]

yeah, but now I know that you shouldn't start with a 10 inch, or even a 7 inch

And definitely you shouldn't hover that thing in your room 😂 like I did

[split lichen]

Should add a hand for refrence

He can’t tell how big both of those are

[daring falcon]

Haha this photo wasn't taken now, the 10 inch is in my garage

[split lichen]

Rip

[gaunt creek]

Crusing is actually what I am most interested in

[split lichen]

5inch will be nice

[daring falcon]

Maybe this helps lol

[daring falcon]

Yeah then 5 inch should be ur pick

[gaunt creek]

That's humongous

[split lichen]

You can go bigger later

[daring falcon]

Just be careful, don't arm it indoors, if you're working on it indoors take off the props, etc...

[split lichen]

It can and will eat your fingers

[daring falcon]

And will mark your wall if you try to hover it indoors, yep, this mark is from propellers

Also I would highly recommend setting up prearm mode to a momentary switch

[gaunt creek]

Will the 5 inch eat my fingers?

[split lichen]

Yes

If you aren’t careful

[daring falcon]

So this way you have to hold that button/switch while flipping the arm switch to actually arm

[gaunt creek]

I like my fingers

[split lichen]

So be careful

[daring falcon]

I learned that it's easy to bump your controller while it's hanging on a lanyard and accidentally arm

[polar ether]

Done that before

[gaunt creek]

What's the deal with prop gards?

[daring falcon]

I did that once with my 10 inch and dropped it immediately, so it was fine. After that close call, I immediately set-up prearm

[split lichen]

Not worth it on anything bigger then a 75mm quad

[daring falcon]

They're useful for 2 and 3 inch, but higher than that it doesn't really make sense

[split lichen]

Nah that’s silly

[daring falcon]

I mean, cinewhoops are a thing

For indoor flythrouhgs

[split lichen]

Ig

[daring falcon]

But the performance is trash with them

[split lichen]

Exactly

[hallow oriole]

So 18650s are 18mm diameter by 650mm length, much larger than AAs, just so you know. I'm not sure how clear that was lol, they are similarly proportioned but different sizes

[hallow oriole]

The bigger the quad is, the more easily they break. Really really super easily when you get up to 5" size, theyre basically useless

[hallow oriole]

Absolutely

[split lichen]

Yay Jason is here

Welcome back

[hallow oriole]

☺️

[gaunt creek]

Define eat?

[hallow oriole]

Remove

Detach

Break

[daring falcon]

Not only that, the bigger problem with prop guards is the turbulence they create, so the quad has so much propwash and instability for everything except cruising

[hallow oriole]

I caught one in the wrist because i set up the failsafe wrong on an airplane, not fun. Last week i knicked my finger just removing the props, the motors weren't even powered lol. Theyre sharp.

[hallow oriole]

Iirc pusher helps with that but yeah

[daring falcon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/fpv/comments/p1pc3i/finger_vs_4s_always_remember_first_aid_kit_when/
this if you're lucky

With a 5" it could be much worse

Not trying to scare you off, just warning you that you should be careful

[split lichen]

Gore warning Incase you can’t guess

[gaunt creek]

Its that dangerous good to know

[split lichen]

We aren’t trying to scare you(for the most part) we just really need to get you to understand the risks and why something bigger isint a good option rn

[split lichen]

It’s thst dangerous if you don’t know what you are doing and are reckless

Being reckless while flying a safe distance away from you is fine, doing it indoors next time family is not fine

[hallow oriole]

Ok honestly, i think responsible people are just fine starting on 5". The thing is we have a lot of teenagers here

I started with a 5" when i was 13

Its not the end of the world

Its just not recommended

[split lichen]

Yup

[daring falcon]

Yeah I started with a 10" when I was 13 and by luck I'm fine (had many close calls tho).
It can be done, 5" is fine, just don't go above that or do long-range

[hallow oriole]

If the battery is unplugged, you're safe

[split lichen]

Touches legs of capacitors right after unplugging

[gaunt creek]

Define pre arm

[split lichen]

Safety

[gaunt creek]

Lol

What is it what does it do

[daring falcon]

Another switch/button that must be on while you're flipping the actual arm switch for the quad to actually arm

[split lichen]

It’s like a gun safety

[hallow oriole]

I don't use prearm but uhhh yeah its probably a good idea

[daring falcon]

I use it on everything bigger than 75mm whoops

[gaunt creek]

I will pre arm

How bad is it to start with a protector on the blades?

[hallow oriole]

Yeah, the idea is you have several rules in a row and you must break all of them to get hurt

[hallow oriole]

The prop guards?

[split lichen]

Just don’t

[hallow oriole]

They just don't make sense for a 5"

[split lichen]

Not worth it

It’s not that dangerous dude

[gaunt creek]

Sí

[split lichen]

It’s like driving but it’s just you

Don’t be an idiot and you’ll be ok

[hallow oriole]

Once again i started with a 5" at 13 and didn't even have a close call

All you have to do is be mindful when a battery is plugged in

[gaunt creek]

I want to do my due diligence before everything else

[daring falcon]

That's great

However having prop-guards for a freestyle quad just doesn't make any sense

[gaunt creek]

I believe it. I'm just interested in why

[daring falcon]

The performance decreases significantly

[hallow oriole]

Lever arms, really. Theyre such a longer lever it makes it like 4 times as likely to break something

Or twice

I forget

[daring falcon]

And I don't think you can find prop guards for a 5" quad

Unless you like 3D print them or something

[split lichen]

And they are super delicate

[hallow oriole]

Ive seen cinelifters with like 7" but yeah it doesn't make sense for this

[split lichen]

Props are cheap

Arms are cheap

[split lichen]

The fuck

[gaunt creek]

I believe I know what freestyle is but to make sure what is. What is it?

[split lichen]

Flying

It’s basically an all encompassing term of fpv flight

[hallow oriole]

Fun

Lol

Anything that isnt racing or cinematic recording basically

[daring falcon]

Flying in your style, usually doing tricks not just cruising

[hallow oriole]

Its mainly learning tricks and whatnot

[daring falcon]

Something like this: https://youtu.be/wat4SlyJSHs

[split lichen]

If you wanna get more detailed, it’s flying with the intent to be acrobatic or do rapid maneuvers in a flowy state(very official sounding)

[hallow oriole]

I love that video

Hes so good

[daring falcon]

Yeah

I wish I had good spots to freestyle around me lol

[split lichen]

I did have some good spots

Like a 30 second walk aswell

[daring falcon]

I have lots of cinematic/cruise spots around me

[hallow oriole]

Same

[gaunt creek]

Eventually it would be possible to make a drone that can fly indoors aswell and is not hazardous to be near people

[hallow oriole]

No good spots

[split lichen]

Oh yeah

Air65

Analog though

[hallow oriole]

Tiny whoop

https://youtu.be/AobRkyp-BRg

[daring falcon]

Yeah, a tinywhoop (for fun) or a cinewhoop (if you want to record or carry action cam)

[hallow oriole]

I actively chase little kids when i get the chance lmao

[daring falcon]

I swear tinywhoops are so fun

[gaunt creek]

To be safe near people must be analog

[split lichen]

Mines cooler

[hallow oriole]

People think theyre inferior because they look like a toy but they are so much fun

[split lichen]

Same

[split lichen]

No

Analog is just lighter

[daring falcon]

Just don't do this (not my video)

[hallow oriole]

Nah, analog is just easier to get lighter and smaller

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[hallow oriole]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IbFDK_1Lh8E

This is dji

Its just heavier

[split lichen]

And has 3.7v brownout

[daring falcon]

I want an O4 whoop now

[gaunt creek]

Could you show me a cinawhoop

[daring falcon]

You can just have a BEC and avoid that

[split lichen]

GODAMNIT

No one should ever have mentioned cinewhoops

Now we need to explain the issues

[gaunt creek]

Lol 🤣

[daring falcon]

There

[hallow oriole]

https://youtu.be/Y7Xcan0V1ZI

[split lichen]

They are effectively a quad that sacrifices performance(and basically everything) to be small and safe to the people around you

[hallow oriole]

Cinewhoops are not as durable nor as good at acrobatics

[daring falcon]

Sorry

[hallow oriole]

They are camera tools

Not good beginner stuff if you want to actually have fun imo

[split lichen]

I want a cinewhoop tbh

[hallow oriole]

Not as safe around people either

[split lichen]

Idk why

Would be absolutely useless to me

[hallow oriole]

Theyre bigger

[gaunt creek]

I know I just wanna know all the things

[split lichen]

Safer then freestyle versions of the same size, that’s like half their gimmick

[hallow oriole]

👍

[daring falcon]

Yeah but don't freestyle with a cinewhoop tho

[hallow oriole]

Scrolling through that rotorbuilds site will also give you an idea of some of the different unique build types

[daring falcon]

I have the Rotor Riot Skylite, it is a 3" cinewhoop but you can also remove the ducts, but 3.5" props on and rip

[hallow oriole]

Just keep in mind the more specialized you get, the harder it is to find part compatibility, harder to build, harder to tune, and harder to get help with

For example i made my toothpick run two of my whoop batteries so it was kinda specialized and had a pretty uncommon setup overall, and i couldn't just follow a build guide

[daring falcon]

However, that said, I still don't really recommend it anyway

[gaunt creek]

If your a professional what are you using at a concert vs a wedding or over a crowd with a 107 waiver of course

[daring falcon]

Yeah then a cinewhoop makes sense

But for fun they're useless

[hallow oriole]

Cinewhoop definitely

Yep

[daring falcon]

Lol I kinda don't like cinewhoops but at the same time I'm holding a cinewhoop in my profile pic

[hallow oriole]

Also fun fact if youre indoors the faa has no jurisdiction so...

[gaunt creek]

Do professionals just get DJI or do they make their own

[daring falcon]

For FPV drones? Make their own

For camera drones DJI wins

By camera drones I mean mavic-style

[split lichen]

You aren’t going to make money with this hobby for years btw

If you ever do

[daring falcon]

facts

[split lichen]

No point buying something that’s not fun to fly right now when you won’t use it for it’s intended purpose for years

[hallow oriole]

Completely depends on the person and how professional they are. The top end teams build everything from scratch

[daring falcon]

And when you start making money you start not liking the hobby anymore like you did before, because now it's your job

[hallow oriole]

But anyone can buy a dji avata cinewhoop and a 107 and call themselves a pro

[gaunt creek]

I'm just curious

Okay back to the drone

[hallow oriole]

Also people dont realize how saturated the drone pilot market is because everyone and their grandma can fly a dji

Yerp

[gaunt creek]

I'll stick with the 5inch finger eater

For now 👀

[hallow oriole]

👍

Building or buying?

[gaunt creek]

Yes

[hallow oriole]

Huh wuh

[daring falcon]

Are you building it yourself or buying pre-built?

That was the question

[gaunt creek]

Idk

[hallow oriole]

Buying is easier. You buy it. You bind it. You fly it.

However

I will call you a coward 👍

(jk) (mostly)

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[daring falcon]

I would suggest buying a pre-built, then when it breaks eventually you'll have to learn how to fix it

And bit by bit you'll learn how FPV drones work and how to repair and build them

[hallow oriole]

Building means you know how to repair and you understand how it works. Understanding how something works means you understand how it will react when something unexpected happens

Building is half the fun in my opinion

And you hand pick the parts you want

[split lichen]

He can’t build

His budget

[daring falcon]

True, but for someone new it's more of a hustle, or at least it was for me. And then you risk breaking something because you forgot or didn't know something

[split lichen]

He has like 500 left, so not really enough, nazgul with 04 is 450, Lipos are 100, charger is 80

Then soldering stuff can be later

[gaunt creek]

I want to go down the path for long term growth

[split lichen]

You can learn to build later

[gaunt creek]

Kk

[split lichen]

And get soldering gear once you break something

Building is so fun though

It also teaches you so much

If you could stretch your budget to 1250 we could do it comfortably

[gaunt creek]

Well I can use my friends neo

[split lichen]

I know that’s a big ask though

[split lichen]

What

[gaunt creek]

Lol

[split lichen]

You are going to be shocked how much power a 5inch has compared to that

[hallow oriole]

You don't even pilot a neo, you politely ask it where to go

The other plus of buying a bnf is that you can learn slowly by fixing it and you don't have to learn everything to get off the ground

[gaunt creek]

When you say 1250 does that mean 750?

Cuz I've been saying 500 left

Do you mean total

[hallow oriole]

I think so

I haven't been following the prices

[gaunt creek]

Yea I can increase the budget by 250

I gtg drive for many hours

[split lichen]

In total

[hallow oriole]

Whoevers tracking the budget keep in mind to account for a few tools if we're building

[split lichen]

1250 including everything

[split lichen]

Good luck

[gaunt creek]

I appreciate all of you I'll talk later

[hallow oriole]

Np cya

[split lichen]

Don’t think anyone is, Mr Para, when you get back make a spread sheet, one category should be “ground gear/misc” and one category should be the quad

[gaunt creek]

1300 total nothing more I can do

[split lichen]

Easy

[gaunt creek]

Kk cya

[split lichen]

Drive safe

[daring falcon]

Cya

And I gotta go to sleep because it's almost 2 AM here

[gaunt creek]

I did it I drove safe

[gaunt creek]

Sounds like a plan I'll do it tomorrow

[hallow oriole]

Idk where you're at but in indiana it is comin down lol

Doubled the time on my commute home

[gaunt creek]

Yikes

[gaunt creek]

I'm back

[gaunt creek]

i have the goggles on the way can you guys show me where to get the box crush and batteries so i order from the right place?

then ill make the budget spreedsheet

[gaunt creek]

i see alot of 18650s i dont want to get it wrong one

@split lichen

https://pyrodrone.com/pages/search-results-page?q=18650 li-ion battery

i was looking here

[hallow oriole]

the vtc6 or vtc4 should be fine, those are the only two there that are ok

however you can also get them from amazon or the18650batterystore.com

i think thats the url

just google it

it needs to be exactly an 18650, not 18350 or anything else

the capacity is in mah, so higher mah is higher battery life

@gaunt creek

[gaunt creek]

lol

sorry i got out of my play pen

[hallow oriole]

lmao

[gaunt creek]

vt6 is better cuz it has a bigger number right?

[gaunt creek]

and 2 of them

[hallow oriole]

yes

[gaunt creek]

done

[gaunt creek]

all that is left is the easy part

the damn drone lol

[gaunt creek]

I'll start looking at batteries

idk which part to start with ¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1stqDDwoMiFmqRTxziLsiQ7YnWge8gvOoavo88aX3eKY/edit?usp=drivesdk

I also made the costs spreadsheet

[polar ether]

don't know if this helps, but JB had a livestream a couple days ago and he compared some analog quads: https://youtu.be/9DrWa1SHOzg?t=1354 all 3 drones have o4 versions, but I don't know how similar they are

[gaunt creek]

I'll take any info I can get thank you for the suggestion

[split lichen]

I’m gonna have lots of time tommorow

[gaunt creek]

Sounds good can't wait to end up with more questions than I started with 🤙

[split lichen]

Lmfao

[gaunt creek]

I have time throughout the day and a lot of time tonight so sounds good

[gaunt creek]

One is a lonely number

[split lichen]

I can barely function right now

I’m so sorry

[gaunt creek]

No problem

I permit you to rest

This one time

Never again

Quick what flying sim do I use?

[gaunt creek]

.

[split lichen]

Velocidrone

[gaunt creek]

I thanks bye!

Rest well

[split lichen]

Ok ok

What were you deciding on

[unreal cargo]

Just checking. Sorry if it’s already been asked. Can u solder mate?

[gaunt creek]

Nope 🤷

I'll learn

[hallow oriole]

That's the spirit

[gaunt creek]

Okay I'm ready what's the next step?

[split lichen]

Decide on drone

Cause we have the boxer, we have the goggles

[gaunt creek]

I decided I want a drone

[split lichen]

Oh yeah you were gonna build

You are good with this being closer to 1250 right

[gaunt creek]

Yesir

[split lichen]

Aight

[gaunt creek]

So I'm assuming the conversation is now batteries chargers and soldering gear?

We already know we are going with the O4 air unit

[split lichen]

We can do soldering gear now

We want to spec out the build before chargers prolly

[gaunt creek]

Kk

Makes sense

So saddering

How hard could it be?

[split lichen]

Not hard at all

Presuming you have good gear

[gaunt creek]

I don't

[split lichen]

https://www.vitroidfpv.com/builds/5inch-beginner

Before soldering stuff, follow this and pick out what you like, you don’t need a camera or a vtx cause that’s what the 04 is

[gaunt creek]

Heck!

[split lichen]

Lmfao

After picking out some stuff, I’ll check out the spreadsheet and make sure it’s good

Just make sure to order from local stores

Pyrodrone, wrekd, getfpv(compare with other stores as will sometimes over charge)

[gaunt creek]

Okay I'll try... Get back to you when I'm done 🙃

X/Deadcat layout meaning?

Stacks?

[split lichen]

Dead cat shifts everything back so props aren’t in view

But it also means it’s really unstable

I’d go for X

[split lichen]

Like the brains

[gaunt creek]

not included in the o4 right?

[split lichen]

Yes

The o4 is only the camera/vtx

[gaunt creek]

kk

vtx is video transmiter yes>

[split lichen]

Yes

[gaunt creek]

so the o4 still needs a reciever then?

[split lichen]

The reciver is for ELRS

[gaunt creek]

oh makes sence

got it

i choose everything but the stack

little uncertain with that part

[hallow oriole]

Frame geometry, deadcat handles worse typically but it gets the props out of the camera view

[split lichen]

Jason can you help with the stack

[hallow oriole]

Stack us just esc+fc, so its a two board tall stack of pcbs

[split lichen]

I fucking suck at stacks

[hallow oriole]

Uhhh

Emilia is the best

Skystars makes good stuff

[split lichen]

Para

[hallow oriole]

Theres certain gyros you want to have

[split lichen]

Send what you’ve picked out

[hallow oriole]

@soft pecan

[gaunt creek]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sYViuwQ-J1P0E5V2P5_Cctig_6cciUmITzYqh24au6I/edit?usp=sharing

[split lichen]

Some have multiple options(like motor kv) that matter

[gaunt creek]

IFlight Xing-E Pro.
2207/2306 Stator size 1750/1950KV 35.2g

TBS SourceOne V5 226mm
226mm Wheelbase. 145g. 4mm Arms 3/2mm Plates 19mm Cams
30x30/20x20 Stacks 20x20 VTXs

Happymodel EP1 Dual (TCXO). 1g

[soft pecan]

ill be honest that notification made it look like your name had this threads title in it

where are we shopping

[split lichen]

Hyper link it text

[hallow oriole]

US

[split lichen]

America

Prolly pyrodrone preferably

[soft pecan]

what budget

[split lichen]

1250 in total

[hallow oriole]

1250 total but they have some stuff picked out

This is the drone portion

With the o4

[split lichen]

They have like 600 for the quad

[soft pecan]

so just cheap as good stack

[split lichen]

Yeah

Para, when you send the part info, make sure to also include stuff like the KV

[gaunt creek]

haha I know wath KV is

[hallow oriole]

not kilovolts

[soft pecan]

https://pyrodrone.com/collections/stacks/products/holybro-kakute-f722-w-tekko32-f4-4in1-50a-esc-stack-30x30mm
holybro says these come with am32 now but the pyro listing is blheli32

so that's a bit obnoxious

https://pyrodrone.com/collections/stacks/products/skystars-f4-f405-flight-controller-and-55a-blheli-s-esc-fly-tower-stack

[gaunt creek]

😭

[soft pecan]

https://pyrodrone.com/collections/stacks/products/iflight-blitz-atf435-e55s-2-6s-stack-combo-atf435-fc-55a-8bit-4in1-esc-30x30

there's these but I have seen someone get unlucky and have two dead 5v regs on that board

[gaunt creek]

added the kv all by myself 😋

[split lichen]

Para, this learning is what will make Fpv more fun(and easier) once you start crashing and breaking stuff

[split lichen]

Also stuff like the size

[gaunt creek]

shit

[split lichen]

2207 is what it should be

Just put all the info

[soft pecan]

https://pyrodrone.com/products/sequre-h743-v2-e70-g2-4-8s-stack-h743-v2-icm42688p-flight-controller-and-70a-am32-128k-4in1-esc-30x30mm

there's this but it's needlessly overkill

that's about it for pyro

[split lichen]

I love needlessly overkill stacks

[soft pecan]

that's around a hundred dollars or less

[gaunt creek]

IFlight Xing-E Pro.
2207/2306 Stator size 1750/1950KV 35.2g

TBS SourceOne V5 226mm
226mm Wheelbase. 145g. 4mm Arms 3/2mm Plates 19mm Cams
30x30/20x20 Stacks 20x20 VTXs

Happymodel EP1 Dual (TCXO). 1g

did i get this right?

[split lichen]

Yeah

It was mainly just for stuff that had multiple options

But yeah

You’ll prolly want 2207/1950kv

[gaunt creek]

there is so many numbers 😔

[split lichen]

All of those besides the emax are good

[gaunt creek]

I picked the IFlight Xing-E Pro.

i thoght i picked wrong

[split lichen]

Those are good

Really good

[gaunt creek]

so everything but the stack is good?

[split lichen]

You haven’t picked a stack

[gaunt creek]

thats what makes it not good

https://pyrodrone.com/products/sequre-h743-v2-e70-g2-4-8s-stack-h743-v2-icm42688p-flight-controller-and-70a-am32-128k-4in1-esc-30x30mm
there's this but it's needlessly overkill
that's about it for pyro

this one is not on the list

is that even legal?!

would all the parts be 490 total for quad? minus soddering gear and batteries?

or is there more?

[split lichen]

There’s more

I have school rn

I’ll be back when I can

Maybe someone else will help?

[gaunt creek]

good luck im gonna go insane in a corner till your return

[hallow oriole]

you gotta share this so anyone with the link can view, it wants me to request access

[gaunt creek]

Oh I'm cringe

I'll fix

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sYViuwQ-J1P0E5V2P5_Cctig_6cciUmITzYqh24au6I/edit?usp=drivesdk

Fixed

You can edit aswell

[hallow oriole]

I just put this in my 7" quad. It seems like a great stack, but it has few plugs, no vbatt soldering pad, and no 4v5 pads. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind

[gaunt creek]

Haha yeah.. I was thinking that too.. One sec

[hallow oriole]

Also youll want a self powered beeper, should be less than 10 bucks or so

[gaunt creek]

I always wanted a beeper

[hallow oriole]

look at the vifly battery powered ones

theyll go off even if youre main battery is ejected

[gaunt creek]

What's a beeper?

[hallow oriole]

it beeps

👍

when you lose your quad in the grass it helps you find it

[gaunt creek]

Makes sense

[gaunt creek]

What do you mean by few plugs?

[hallow oriole]

some fcs use more plugs instead of soldering

this is mostly soldering

again not a big deal in my opinion but some people just prefer plugs

[gaunt creek]

Mind explaining the differences?

[polar ether]

plugs are nice but i think soldering is better on freestyle

so there's no risk of unplugging

[hallow oriole]

its more work to solder a wire on than plug it in, but with plugs all the plugs must be matching

[gaunt creek]

And if it's mainly soldering and is missing the pads how am I supposed to solder it

[hallow oriole]

you cant

you do something else

theres always more than one way to wire something up

[gaunt creek]

4v5 pad?

What is that

And if no pad or plug then how do?

[hallow oriole]

normal 5v pads only supply power when there is a battery plugged into the quad

4v5 will supply 5v ALSO when the fc is powered by usb only

useful for gps

but there are ways around that

[polar ether]

and rx

[hallow oriole]

its a "feature"

yeah

its not required

just makes some stuff easier

[gaunt creek]

I'm following so far

Rx?

[hallow oriole]

rx is reciever

so for example you can plug the quad into your computer and the rx will power up and you can do setup related to it

if you dont have it on a 4v5, you must plug in a battery to power it

since i used that stack in my 7", I got a beeper that also powers the gps without a full drone battery plugged in

you dont really need to worry about it right now tbh

[gaunt creek]

Can I do the same?

[hallow oriole]

sure

did you want a gps?

[gaunt creek]

What are GPS functions

I could take a guess but want to be sure

[hallow oriole]

gps is basically just a safety mechanism

lose video? flip a switch, it flies home

lose rc link? it flies home

buuuut it is not as refined as DJI's auto land stuff

its not particularly efficient

it is a rescue feature for long range

https://rotorbuilds.com/build/34142

heres my 7" parts

https://pyrodrone.com/products/flyfishrc-m10qmc-5883l-gps-and-compass-module

https://pyrodrone.com/products/vifly-gps-mate-gps-power-module

[gaunt creek]

But it's a last chance to recover the quad if you lose control

[hallow oriole]

wdym lose control

if you lose video link, yes

otherwise you disarm and it drops

if you lose RC link, it will drop

[gaunt creek]

With GPS when you lose RC link will it try to return? Or no matter what it will drop?

[hallow oriole]

itll try to return

with gps

[hallow oriole]

this is no gps

[gaunt creek]

Gotcha so its probably a good idea considering I suck. No?

[hallow oriole]

eh not really

gps is for when you want to push the range of something

in general not a good idea for newbies to begin with, a lot more can go wrong

its a lot more wiring

more setup in betaflight

[gaunt creek]

Okay

Beta flight?

[hallow oriole]

BF is what you use to program the FC

almost all your setup is done in there

its the brains

[gaunt creek]

Cool

With soldering can it be undone?

[hallow oriole]

yeah you can always unsolder something

it just needs the iron and it takes a little bit longer to resolder it than to reconnect a connector

[gaunt creek]

For example could I take parts from this hypothetical drone and put them on a new one?

[hallow oriole]

sure

ive used the same frame and fpv camera for 4 years and swapped everything else like 3 times

this camera and frame even got dunked in a lake

[gaunt creek]

Cool!

[hallow oriole]

yerp

plus side of building is that you can always rebuild

not that you cant do that to a BNF

but its easier knowing how it all works

[gaunt creek]

So none of these combinations of parts are permanent if I want to separate them all again.

Again thank you for your patience I'm really trying to make sure I get this all right.

[hallow oriole]

no problem lol

[hallow oriole]

yep. although as you cut and solder wires, youll have a hard time making the wires longer again lol

you can always splice but it looks uglier

but yeah the components are reusable

[gaunt creek]

That makes sense to me 👍

I can't wait to show you all my first flight (And likely first crash)