#Sbus receiver

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harsh ember
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I have a fs-ia6b receiver with i6 transmitter and I was able to wire it to my radio link f722 flight controller but in beta flight no matter what I do my receiver wont respond to beta flight ( I wired it to 5v, R3, and g pads on my flight controller)

lament monolith
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show your wiring

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ia6b is IBUS not SBUS btw

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unless you have an i6x which can reconfigure it

harsh ember
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I don’t have pic rn I’m at school but I did a good job with the soldering and even checked if there was any current flow

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This the receiver

lament monolith
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90% of times someone gets defensive about their wiring, it's wrong

harsh ember
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lol I’ll send when I get back in an hour or so

harsh ember
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But I don’t know where to connect it to the receiver

lament monolith
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yeah that's the most common mistake with the ia6B

harsh ember
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Even the the pads were 5v, r3, and G

lament monolith
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which is why I'm asking

harsh ember
lament monolith
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IBUS SERVO

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the horizontal one

harsh ember
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Hmmm ok the top right?

lament monolith
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yeah

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Remember this: IBUS, unless worked around, does not tell Betaflight that it lost signal, and the drone may fly away upon loss of signal.

Ask for a workaround once you get it basically working.

harsh ember
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So what do I do in beta flight

lament monolith
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we'll get to that once you're back and have betaflight configurator running

harsh ember
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So are the soldering pads correct

lament monolith
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that depends on both ends of the connection

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so I can't give you an answer

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generally speaking they're the right pads

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but I have no idea if they're connecting to tthe right things on the receiver

harsh ember
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Ok will you be available later

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@lament monolith ?

lament monolith
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maybe, idk

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late

harsh ember
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Alr

lament monolith
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In case you need it later and I'm not around:
Here I explained to someone else how to fix failsafe (loss of signal behaviour) with i6 + ia6b + Betaflight
#1327795724527603722 message

harsh ember
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His is with ppm though

lament monolith
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no, it's IBUS

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I'm not evil enough to let someone run PPM

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so half of the thread was fixing that mistake of theirs

harsh ember
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To be honest I don’t get what’s happening in there

lament monolith
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Ehhh... k I'll rewrite it

harsh ember
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Are you sure?

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I’ll just wait for you to answer to be honest it will be much easier

lament monolith
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idk if I'll be available and this is critical info to prevent you from having your drone fly away like mine did 🙂 @harsh ember

harsh ember
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Wdym by it flying away

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How would it happen?

lament monolith
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Receiver loses signal, and decides to maintain previous input values - like 50% throttle for example.
Betaflight has no idea that it should failsafe, since the receiver isn't telling it anything about its signal status, so it just keeps flying.

If you're unlucky enough, the drone was pointed away from you when it lost signal, so it keeps flying even further away out of signal range.

harsh ember
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So I should keep the drone closer to me?

lament monolith
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batteries fall out of it, and the drone loses signal...

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but it has no idea that it lost signal

harsh ember
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ohh

lament monolith
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so it keeps happily flying away at 50% throttle

harsh ember
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What if it goes out of range without that happening

lament monolith
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?

harsh ember
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Like I fly it to far

lament monolith
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same thing

harsh ember
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Loses signal

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Would I get like a warning before it happens

lament monolith
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The radio may try to warn you but it's not very reliable

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unfortunately, the receiver doesn't tell Betaflight anything about its signal quality

harsh ember
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So should I switch to radio link

lament monolith
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GOD NO

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that's even worse

harsh ember
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oh poop

lament monolith
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ELRS

harsh ember
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I can only shop on Amazon though

lament monolith
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ELRS.

harsh ember
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Does elrs work with my transmitter?

lament monolith
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No

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same story as radiolink tho

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RadioMaster Pocket + any ELRS 2.4GHz receiver

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will give you 10x the range of Flysky/Radiolink

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(I'm not even exaggerating)

harsh ember
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Like how much range

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3 miles?

lament monolith
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Most likely, yeah

harsh ember
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How much do I get now

lament monolith
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the pocket has a 250mW ELRS transmitter
The i6 has a 100mW AFHDS2A transmitter
ELRS is MUUUUCH more efficient than AFHDS2A

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and you get double the power

harsh ember
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Oh wow

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Wait so where could I buy a radio master

lament monolith
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should be on amazon

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not the best prices tho

harsh ember
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Amazon?

lament monolith
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you have to look it up yourself, my amazon results will be completely different from yours.

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RadioMaster Pocket is the cheapest ELRS radio worth buying.

harsh ember
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It’s not there

lament monolith
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In fact, it's the cheapest radio worth buying period.

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that's odd

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what country?

harsh ember
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Usa

lament monolith
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idk if this offer exists in USA

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but this is just one of many

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RadioMaster makes other ELRS radios as well, all of them are great

harsh ember
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Is there any other transmitter that I can get off Amazon

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That works elrs

lament monolith
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Just make sure it's ELRS, not CC2500, not 4in1

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because these radios exist in non-ELRS versions as well

harsh ember
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Where else can I buy the radio master other than Amazon

lament monolith
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Any FPV shop

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RadioMaster is currently, by far, the most popular radio manufacturer

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and ELRS is by far the most popular protocol

harsh ember
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Nvm Amazon real good

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Is this good

lament monolith
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lemme check if it's supported

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quick note: since ELRS is so popular, many manufacturers have started making ELRS hardware without consulting the ELRS team

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so it's best to check if it's supported

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before you buy

harsh ember
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How do I check

lament monolith
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ExpressLRS Configurator

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it has a device selection

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and you see if what the manufacturer tells you the receiver is exists in there

harsh ember
lament monolith
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According to the PDF manual for this receiver, it's a HGLRC Hermes 2400RX
That one exists in ELRS Configurator so it seems safe enough?

harsh ember
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So it’s good?

lament monolith
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There is a slight doubt in my mind.

harsh ember
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And also in the mean time while requesting return on Amazon it’s possible if I just use the fs for now

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Corrrct?

lament monolith
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HGLRC says that it's a HGLRC Hermes
But those Hermes receivers, according to ELRS docs, look a bit different than this one.

I sent a question in an internal ELRS chat, to see whether this receiver was officially tested.

If you want officially supported receivers, RadioMaster RP1 or Happymodel EP1 are rock solid.

harsh ember
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Alr but I can use the one I have for now yes?

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No problem if I change it later?

lament monolith
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No problem.

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We can get the flysky in the air.

harsh ember
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ok man I actuslly appreciate ur help

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Like thank you a lot

lament monolith
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flysky just has that failsafe annoyance, is difficult to get signal quality info out of, etc

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np

harsh ember
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How much range would I get with my fs

lament monolith
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It's.. complicated.

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It literally depends on todays and yesterdays weather.

harsh ember
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is 0.5 miles to much?…

lament monolith
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water and ground are problematic

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Wet trees are signal death

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Wet grass to an extent as well

harsh ember
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Sounds good

lament monolith
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if it rained yesterday, beware of trees

harsh ember
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Would I be able to full throttle or would it burn my motors

lament monolith
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I know nothing about your drone lol

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only FC and receiver

harsh ember
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Would you mind if I told u the parts

lament monolith
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Note about the HGLRC receivers (got response from an elrs dev):
They haven't been officially tested, but they don't look problematic.

lament monolith
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would make my work easier

harsh ember
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It’s the f722 stack radio link

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I’m also not gonna add fpv or gps

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This is the motor

lament monolith
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mt2204 is small, ancient and fragile

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at least for a modern 5" drone

harsh ember
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It’s 5 inch

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They are pretty big in size though

lament monolith
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In modern days you'd be looking more at 2207

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or even larger than that

harsh ember
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But I don’t do anything crazy

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So is it a problem that I have emthem?

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They were extremely cheap

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30 bucks

lament monolith
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My main problem with it is that it has an aluminium prop shaft

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which means that you need to have a CW and CCW variant (one of those has a reverse thread)

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since you can't tighten the nut onto the prop too hard

lament monolith
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On a 4 motor drone, two motors spin clockwise, two spin counter-clockwise.

harsh ember
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Yes they do that

lament monolith
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If you put the same direction of prop shaft thread onto all of them, two will try to loosen their prop nut when they spin

harsh ember
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They all soon different directions

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Spin

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But I can also just solder in the other way correct?

lament monolith
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You can't solder a thread on a prop shaft

harsh ember
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What do you mean?

lament monolith
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In modern days, the propnut loosening problem was solved by having a very strong prop shaft, and using a locknut with a lot of tightening force.

In olden days, this was solved by having a variant of the motor with a reversed thread

harsh ember
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So what do I need

lament monolith
harsh ember
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Found this in my camera role

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Tell

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Roll

lament monolith
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the thread on two of the motors should be reversed

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it shouldn't take a normal nut

harsh ember
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What’s a thread

lament monolith
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it needs a nut with a reversed thread

harsh ember
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I don’t get it sorry

lament monolith
harsh ember
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Oh I get it now

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It’s fine for me to be honest they screw are glued to the prob

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Prop

lament monolith
harsh ember
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Like they won’t listen the screw

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Loosen

lament monolith
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what is glued where

harsh ember
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?

harsh ember
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I mean that the screw it very good tight on the motors

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It’s not touching them

lament monolith
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I am not anywhere near drunk enough for this..

harsh ember
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lol I’m sorry

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I like know nothing about these

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Either way I tested the motors out already in beta flight

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They worked good

lament monolith
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this is a prop shaft

harsh ember
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OOHHHHH

lament monolith
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and it has a thread on it

harsh ember
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you meant from the top

lament monolith
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nowadays, these shafts are steel or titanium alloy

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so you can crank the prop nut down like crazy

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so all of the motors can have standard thread

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and you won't really have a problem with 2 of the motors unscrewing the nut

harsh ember
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It comes with stuff to keep them shut

lament monolith
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but your motor has an aluminium prop shaft

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so if you crank it down, it will come off (the entire shaft, ask how I know)

lament monolith
harsh ember
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Like closed bolts

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Nuts

lament monolith
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OBVIOUSLY IT COMES WITH NUTS

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the problem is the direction in which you tighten them

harsh ember
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OHHHHH

lament monolith
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when a motor spins, it either tries to loosen or tighten the nut

harsh ember
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so it doesn’t loosen them?

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Now I get it

lament monolith
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So in old days, 2 of the motors would have a reverse thread

harsh ember
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what if I put eniugh pressure

lament monolith
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it will break.

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That's why old motors came in CW/CCW variants

harsh ember
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What if I just glue it 😭

lament monolith
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and that's why modern motors, with steel shafts, don't

lament monolith
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so

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did you get 2 motor directions?

harsh ember
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Alr I’ll work on that later but my main problem is the receiver for now

lament monolith
harsh ember
lament monolith
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aight

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actualy

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did you get black and silver nuts with the motors?

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or are they all one color?

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apparently, black/silver is how they differentiated the nut thread direction

harsh ember
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Yea that’s what they look like

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But I already soldered them

lament monolith
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well, you'll have to figure it out later then

harsh ember
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Your right

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I’m coming home rn

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but you can help me with my issue correct?

harsh ember
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When will u be available if not

lament monolith
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I have like 30 min of availability left

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(til 23:30 in my tz)

harsh ember
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Oh

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When will you be available after

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Would it be fine if you make a few amount of time for me? I’m almost home

lament monolith
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IBUS wiring

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black = gnd
red = 5V
white = signal (to RX3 or RX-side of whatever free UART you've got)

harsh ember
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Wat do I do on beta flight

lament monolith
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in BF Configurator, you want to have (only!) Serial RX ticked on (only!) the right UART (RX3 = UART3)

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Also, you need to have BF flashed with IBUS support

harsh ember
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How I do that

lament monolith
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In Receiver tab, select the IBUS protocol (and save, always save)

harsh ember
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It is I think

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I did that yesterday though

lament monolith
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if the bars on the left side of Receiver tab have values in them

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then you have IBUS support

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if they're empty

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then you don't

harsh ember
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The bars?

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Like the color ones?

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How do I get ibus support

lament monolith
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here you can see them with values

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if they're blank instead, then the firmware doesn't do IBUS

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To get IBUS support, you need to flash the BF firmware

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at the top is a Update Firmware button

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BUT FIRST

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if you have any settings that you don't want to lose

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make a backup in Presets tab

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there is a Save Backup button

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sorry for the rush but I rly need to go to bed 😂

harsh ember
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It’s fine but thanks so much man

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Please ping me when ur available

lament monolith
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Once you press Flash Firmware, you should quickly get to a moving progress bar, at the very bottom where it currently says "Please load firmware file"

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If it gets stuck, and you're on Windows, then you'll need to fix the drivers and retry.

harsh ember
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Ok thanks

harsh ember
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For some reason my motors are all spinning in ome direction

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And when I test them only all can be selected

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Not individually

oak meadow
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Like when using the sliders on the right side of the Motors tab?

harsh ember
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I’ll show you @oak meadow

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They all spin the same direction too

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@oak meadow

oak meadow
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In the CLI tab, type in resource and press enter. Are all the motors assigned to different pins?

harsh ember
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@oak meadow

oak meadow
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Huh. And you've restored the backup you made already, right?

harsh ember
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I don’t know

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Oh yes I did

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But that wasn’t an ibus

oak meadow
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That's okay. So you restored the backup, then set the receiver protocol to IBUS?

harsh ember
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Yea

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Flynn

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@oak meadow u there?

oak meadow
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You don't need to ping me every 5 minutes lol

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What is the motor protocol set to?

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DSHOT?

harsh ember
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sorry

harsh ember
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On the back up or?

oak meadow
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In the current Betaflight configuration

harsh ember
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Yea d shot

oak meadow
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This probably won't do anything different, but what happens if you turn on bidirectional DShot?

harsh ember
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Nothing

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I already did it

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What is there I should do?

oak meadow
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Did the motors ever work properly?

harsh ember
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Yea

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They did

oak meadow
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When did that change? Did they only stop working after flashing firmware?

harsh ember
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Yea

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They stopped after flashing firmware

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Yea

oak meadow
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Is everything else working? Gyro, receiver, etc.?

harsh ember
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Yea

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Everything

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It’s basically a working drone now but the motors aren’t working the way they should be

oak meadow
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Hmm... I guess you could try resetting everything to defaults, then reconfiguring from scratch

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Make sure you don't delete that backup you made though, so you can revert back to it if need be

harsh ember
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Ok

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Did that

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Brooo

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Same thing

oak meadow
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How did you reset it? If you've not tried already, you can try flashing and enabling the "full chip erase" option

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I think it's hidden behind the advanced options

harsh ember
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Ok

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So flash it again?

oak meadow
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Yeah

harsh ember
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Ok

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It also does this

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Only 2 motor twitch

oak meadow
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This is after resetting the whole thing and then setting the motor protocol and stuff?

harsh ember
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Yea didn’t work

oak meadow
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Ugh. Last thing - check the firmware version of your ESC, maybe it's like... super old or something. Betaflight recommends BLHeli_32 v32.7 so if it's older than that then you can try updating the firmware

harsh ember
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It’s 4.5

oak meadow
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?

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Is that perhaps the Betaflight version number?

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If that is the ESC version number, what kind of firmware is it running?

jagged prism
harsh ember
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Like a day ago

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So it should be up to date

oak meadow
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And it still worked after you updated the ESC but before you updated your FC, right?
What kind of firmware is it running?

harsh ember
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I don’t know how to check

jagged prism
harsh ember
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Give me 15 minutes I gotta go to something

oak meadow
jagged prism
oak meadow
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Oh lol that's you in the video 😭

harsh ember
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How would it be old if it worked before

harsh ember
oak meadow
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Purely speculation on my part. But it's possible that there's some kind of version incompatibility between your new version of Betaflight and whatever firmware your ESCs are running

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Ohhh

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I understand what you mean

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I’ll check right now ome sec

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How do I check the esc

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Filmware

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@oak meadow sorry for ping

oak meadow
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BLHeli Suite 32

harsh ember
oak meadow
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Errr I guess it's called BLHeli_32 Suite. It's a separate program that talks to the ESC instead of the flight controller

harsh ember
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Wym

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Is it not on mine?

oak meadow
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Oh wait I forgot they shut down BLHeli_32 😭 You wouldn't be able to update the firmware anyway through that

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I'm not really sure what to try next, Maybe once @lament monolith is awake and free again they'll be able to help

harsh ember
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Should I just solder and switch the wires

oak meadow
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No. You said the motors were working before, and that the only difference between then and now is that you updated the FC firmware. So it's not a hardware issue

harsh ember
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If I switch 2 wires in 2 motors they spin dif detection

oak meadow
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That's true. That won't solve the issue though

harsh ember
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Hm ok

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When do u think he wakes up

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And will he be available

oak meadow
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When he starts helping you again

harsh ember
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I gotta sleep too tho

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I have a lot time left tho

oak meadow
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Just be patient. He's got a life outside of the server, no one's beholden to helping you. He'll help when he can

harsh ember
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oh true sry

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Wait

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I gotta a question

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Does soldering on the fc affect anything?

oak meadow
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It can 🤷

harsh ember
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Cuz my sister was messing around with the fc and she soldered wires on the fc

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Horridness job but it was on the pads

oak meadow
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What pads were soldered?

harsh ember
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5v R2 and G

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I can show a pic of the fc

oak meadow
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If something got bridged then it could cause an issue. A component also could've gotten fried, but that's unlikely since everything works

oak meadow
harsh ember
oak meadow
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Yeah so I would redo all those wires on the left lol

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Try to clean up the excess solder as much as possible too

harsh ember
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Those are the fricked up ones

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Do u think that will make a difference

oak meadow
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This pad might also be bridged to like 2 other pads

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Alr

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I’ll see but this was yesterday btw

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But it was after I checked the motors

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So I don’t know if this actuslly caused it or not

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It may have been the problem but there’s also this

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089 left side

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She got solder in there

oak meadow
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If it looks like it's not bridging anything, I would leave it alone unless you're confident you can resolder surface mount components

harsh ember
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That’s not what I’m saying

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Do u see the 06o

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69

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89

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Look the metal

oak meadow
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This part?

harsh ember
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No the other side

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On top of the number

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Look at the difference

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This one is on the right side

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And it’s clean

oak meadow
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OH

harsh ember
oak meadow
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Yeah 😭😭

harsh ember
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Is that the problem

oak meadow
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Yes certainly

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If those are bridged

harsh ember
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so that’s what’s making the motors like that?

oak meadow
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Can't say for certain, but it's likely

harsh ember
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That’s gonna be so hard to clean

oak meadow
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Yeah. FWIW if you have a desoldering braid you might be able to verrry carefully get that off

harsh ember
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I have a cheap solder

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?

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What Fwiw

oak meadow
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"For what it's worth"

harsh ember
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Dude I have only a cheap solder

oak meadow
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Factories have to use unleaded solder, so if you're using leaded it'll have a lower melting point; you might be able to get it off okay

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Yea

oak meadow
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Gotcha. That'll certainly make it more difficult

harsh ember
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Should I just buy a different controller :/

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oh my god bro I just remeber something

oak meadow
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I would try to get the solder off, if you don't mind spending time on it

harsh ember
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I remebered I had this spare speedy mine mini f4

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Bee

oak meadow
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Is that the same size?

harsh ember
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Smaller

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But I can still use it to test the motors

oak meadow
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Sure. I would try to fix the solder on your current FC though. Then if you can't fix that one, use your spare to make sure it's a problem with the FC. If it is, then you can buy a new FC

harsh ember
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Yea but I just wanna see if this will get the motors to spin right

oak meadow
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Sure 🤷

harsh ember
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If it’s not the same size will it not work?

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It worked

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The thing with this one is I’m able to spin one at a time

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But it won’t let me rotate it

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Like switch the direction

oak meadow
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What version of Betaflight is it running?

harsh ember
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Ahhh 4.4

oak meadow
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It should be able to reverse the motors then

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Does the switch that flips all of them work?

harsh ember
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No

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They just won’t flip directions

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What do I type in cli to check

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Oh nvm got it

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I might just use the mini would that be fine?

harsh ember
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@oak meadow ??

oak meadow
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Not really. The gyro is on the flight controller so if you don't have a good way to mount it, it will not fly well

harsh ember
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@oak meadow

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And it’s over hearing too

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Heating

lament monolith
lament monolith
harsh ember
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nahhh

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I actually did real good job

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Look at the soldering skills

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My computer science teacher let me use his solder

harsh ember
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I switched to the speedy bee mini because my f722 ain alive no more

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But jow the speedy bee over heating

lament monolith
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did you check the ESC wiring?

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what killed the F722?

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The FC to ESC wiring is NOT standardised

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it differs between FC/ESC manufacturers

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so you sometimes have to repin connectors

harsh ember
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I bridge checked them all

harsh ember
lament monolith
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there are 8 wires in the FC to ESC cable

harsh ember
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yes

lament monolith
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their order is not standardised

harsh ember
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Wym

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So what should do in this case

lament monolith
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one manufacturer may do GND BAT M1 M2 M3 M4 TELE NC
other manufacturer may do BAT TELE M4 M3 M2 M1 GND NC

harsh ember
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Do u want me to show u ?

lament monolith
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I want you to take a look and check

harsh ember
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The fc and the esc

lament monolith
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afk 45min

harsh ember
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ok

harsh ember
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Here’s my esc and here’s the fc

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How do you know so much bru

harsh ember
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@lament monolith ?

lament monolith
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well, that took longer than I expected

lament monolith
harsh ember
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Like r hi a?

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This?

lament monolith
harsh ember
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So what should I do

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If it it keeps blinking or heating up

lament monolith
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Well, heating up to some extent is normal

harsh ember
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No like it start to sound like a jet

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And it would literally hurt my hand to touch

signal wolf
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This entire thread looks like if 2015 was a drone

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My first quad was almost identical to this one as far as the rx, frame, and motors go

harsh ember
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Do u know a way to fix it

oak meadow
harsh ember
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Idk

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I think the motors

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Or the controller I’m really not sure

oak meadow
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When does it sound like a jet?

harsh ember
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When I try it out with my receiver

oak meadow
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So... while flying?

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How is the FC mounted?

harsh ember
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Horribley mounted

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It’s not even the right size

oak meadow
signal wolf
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This is like trying to fix a model T and expecting to drive it onto the highway

harsh ember
oak meadow
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Not really. The only thing that usually heats up is the VTX in my experience

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Double check you've not connected a high voltage wire where you're not supposed to?

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Also... is the mini rated for whatever battery you're using?

harsh ember
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I’ll check

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Where do I check?

harsh ember
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@oak meadow

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I’m just gonna buy a new one

harsh ember
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@lament monolith any suggestions?

harsh ember
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Any suggestions?

oak meadow
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What are you asking?

harsh ember
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This is what I was saying

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Did u not here it was ab to explode

oak meadow
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Pretty sure that's just runaway prevention?

harsh ember
harsh ember
oak meadow
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What exploding noise?

harsh ember
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I didn’t hear the end?

oak meadow
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At 10 seconds?

harsh ember
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Yea

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It’s so hot too

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Like it burns my hand

oak meadow
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That sounds like the motor stopping itself. I don't hear any explosion 🤷 I might be wrong though

oak meadow
harsh ember
harsh ember
harsh ember
oak meadow
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Does it heat up only using USB?

harsh ember
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Every thing

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In the flux was melting

oak meadow
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So maybe it's the ESC that's heating up?

harsh ember
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It wasn’t hot though?

oak meadow
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Okay 🤷

harsh ember
oak meadow
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The heat will be generated by something though. The entire board is not going to heat up uniformly

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Does it heat up when you only plug in USB?

harsh ember
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I don’t think so

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Oh no it’s heating up

oak meadow
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And it's the entire board that's heating up?

harsh ember
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It’s coming from the other side of the usb

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That spot

oak meadow
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Is anything bridged?

harsh ember
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I did some soldering

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Maybe that’s the provlem

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So I’ll unsolder everything

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Check if that’s the problem

harsh ember
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Nahhh

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It didn’t work

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Same problem

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No bridging too

harsh ember
oak meadow
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The board that's overheating; the fc

harsh ember
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Nah

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But maybe there’s bridging on the efc?

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Or no actuslly cuz it works on beta flight