neon helm
So basically, me and @dull viper are trying to figure out how to get the npc skeleton with cloth bones to follow sekiro's skeleton.
We know it's not following because the cloth bones are parented to the upper arm bone, yet they aren't following it.
Is there a reason for this that has to do with that game engine or something?
Because of this, I deduced that sekiro's skeleton isn't being followed by the npc skeleton.
Hopefully someone can help 🙂
neon helm
Update: the npc skeleton is actually following sekiro's. There is some kind of weight painting issue. I think I may figure out out soon so you most likely won't need to respond to this.
neon helm
Update: it is still not working
strange ether
Is this Sekiro or an NPC?
dull viper
Is Sekiro
strange ether
You need to do cloth physics on it
dull viper
It has physics
But the npc skeleton is not following sekiros skeleton
So the arm is going with the cape u know
This is how the cape looks right now, is smaller and we trying to fix that because the NPC Skeleton is not following Sekiros skeleton.
strange ether
Sorry I'm not following with the NPC skeleton is not following sekiro
Like enemies dont follow you?
neon helm
No no no no
It's not that
The cape is attached to an npc skeleton
But the problem is
The weight painting
You see, if we make the spine bone have all of the influence, then it won't follow the arms if I make the arms have influence too
And if I partially get rid of the spine influence, a lot of the cape will clip with the character
But it will follow the arms
The problem isn't the physics, it has to do with the spine bone influence
I've been trying to help him with it but we haven't figured out how to get it to look right
neon helm
Also the problem is that the cloth bones are parented to the upper arm but aren't following it
strange ether
But why is the cape attached to an NPC skeleton? The way that this works is. Weight paint says how much influence a bone has to the model, and this apply with animation. If an animation moves the clavicle for example and your cape doesn't have any weight paint on the clavicle, then of course it won't follow
Do you have the blend file or how are you doing this?
neon helm
Do you have the blend file or how are you doing this?
I'll send you the blend file
neon helm
But why is the cape attached to an NPC skeleton? The way that this works is. Wei...
Also I know how the weight painting works, trust
neon helm
But why is the cape attached to an NPC skeleton? The way that this works is. Wei...
The npc skeleton is needed for the cloth physics bones.
In other words: You need the npc skeleton because sekiro's skeleton doesn't have cloth physics bones.
The game automatically scales the npc skeleton to sekiro's size
This was after many attempts. It's going to look weird in game. If the spine2 influence is full (over all vertices), then weight painting things to the arms directly will look extremely weird or may not even work. If you get rid of the spine2 influence near where the arms would be and then weight paint to arms, you have to do it precisely; Otherwise you'll have vertices going way out in the distance because they will have no influence. You'll see what I mean. The clipping may also have to do with the character model @dull viper is using.
Now this file looked better, but didn't follow the arms. My speculation is that even though the cloth bones were parented to the arms, the game overrides their rotation with physics and they do not follow the character's arms.
strange ether
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Yea i did take a look, but haven't done anything, cuz im in my working days. Can I have the partsbnd?
strange ether
🙏
strange ether
Ok so I see the problem and everything, but what's wrong here is how you set it up. c1060x_c.hkx is the actual cloth animation and the problem here is that, it will only work while using the same mesh and material as the original. Why? cuz that's how fromsoft does it.
For example
It's not good cuz of weights and stuff, but to explain what I did
Mesh3 is actually Material #974 which has the actual cloth
I renamed it to Material #974, pass the weights to sasuke mantle, selected Material #974, went into edit mode. Selected all vertices and then delete the vertices, then I took sasuke mantle and joined it to Material #974. Now the mantle is Material #974
Exported fbx and used fbximporter using the same material that Material #974 uses
You would have to adjust weights stuff, which of course I ain't doing
@dull viper @neon helm Managed to fix it. I forgot that the small one had weights
One second. I'm recording
Results
This is how you do it
neon helm
This is how you do it
Your recording is blank. (On the same screen the whole time)
@dull viper
Thank you so much @strange ether !
Well test it soon!
strange ether
Your recording is blank. (On the same screen the whole time)
That's just discord
Specially if you are on mobile
strange ether
Just wait until you hop on PC
neon helm
Just wait until you hop on PC
I don't have discord on a computer, but I'll just use web discord
its still frozen
I'm on web discord rn
can you send google drive link or swissfile transfer link?
neon helm
Just wait until you hop on PC
I appreciate your efforts to help us though!
dull viper
Thank you for help really i appreciate it @strange ether
neon helm
What did you use to encode the mp4 file?
@strange ether
It's not playing on anything.
strange ether
What did you use to encode the mp4 file?
Just video capture. Forget about it then lol. I can't do anything else if it doesn't work for you
neon helm
Just video capture. Forget about it then lol. I can't do anything else if it doe...
Video capture?
On windows?
strange ether
Amd, as I've always done
neon helm
Amd, as I've always done
Yeah it's not working for some odd reason. It must have to do with encoding. Either way I appreciate it. The arms still aren't following but I may know why
It must have to do with sekiro's engine
strange ether
No lol
neon helm
The cloth bones aren't following the rotation of their parents
neon helm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwIbe7i5bGk
Thanks!
strange ether
You are using another mesh that's not the same as the boss one
If you want a perfect cloth, with moving parts and everything, then you would have to do it from scratch
You can use this method is both model were similar
but they are not
There's something called collidable, which works for that
neon helm
I was trying to get the arms to work by weight painting the arms on but it looked super weird lol
neon helm
There's something called collidable, which works for that
Oh really?!
strange ether
Other than that, sekiro doesn't have cloth bones and no character has cloth bones lol
Only bosses cuz they are bosses
Normal armor have cloth bones
neon helm
Ohhhh
So how would I make this into havoc cloth?
Instead of using bones
Like, how would I make the cloth be able to collide with the character and stuff
@strange ether
strange ether
bruh no need to ping
That's the hardest part of modding and one of the least people do
Which is custom cloth
#tools-and-resources message
I can't help you there, but this could
neon helm
Oof
warped eagle
I can't help you there, but this could
havok 2016 not available and there no tool supporting it
warped eagle
havok 2016 not available and there no tool supporting it<:fatcat:529804352731480...
so it kinda doesnt even work for sekiro
warped eagle
Bro only spawns now
you used link of my addon that automatically ping
warped eagle
I think with hkxconverter you could get away with it
that let you to 2014 ver
but sekiro only support 2016
there is way to downgrade possibly but as igor and dropoff tested it doesnt work if its not packed into hkx
and way to pack it also not figured yet
afaik anims and armature works that way but not physics
strange ether
that let you to 2014 ver
and did you try using havok content tools 2014? Maybe exporting as xml?
