1.21.20.22 - Preview

[verbal harbor]

Beta and Preview Changelogs

Minecraft Beta & Preview - 1.21.20.22

It's that day of the week!
A new Minecraft: Bedrock Edition Preview is out now!

Posted on · Jul 10, 2024, 3:44 PM

[dense ginkgo]

h

[high bridge]

First

[atomic pivot]

a

[ashen stream]

s

[dense ginkgo]

HA

[cerulean quiver]

s

[thorny bramble]

ssr when

[ashen stream]

@earnest prawn

[cerulean quiver]

deferred screenshot

[atomic pivot]

I can delete ya'll messages

and be the 1st

[earnest prawn]

Ty

[weary spoke]

Let’s goo!!

[high bridge]

Thank you @torn root !

[torn root]

Happy preview day

[ashen stream]

@torn root Love ya ❤️

[atomic pivot]

Why keep using vanilla tags system?

[high bridge]

Thank you @mint parcel !

[bitter knoll]

Happy Preview Day

[atomic pivot]

Does that means it will get updated anytime soon?

[dense ginkgo]

that's really large update

[mint parcel]

Thanks to everyone who reported it 🙂

[empty dome]

LET'S GOO

[earnest prawn]

Ty! Can't wait to see how it looks!

[ashen stream]

Yea!!

[torn root]

Oh idk...is today ok with you? 🙂

[ashen stream]

:D

[atomic pivot]

Does behavior.teleport_to_owner works on unloaded chunks?

[ashen stream]

I can actually finally do a trailer for my deferred pack as I waited for water and SSR

[thorny bramble]

Ngl based on that only screenshot that we have, that water looks very good

[earnest prawn]

Guys drop a banger the day I have to work 😭 but seriously, super excited

[cerulean quiver]

no bundel

[half oracle]

:0

[thorny bramble]

Too bad Eddie is missing this

[dense ginkgo]

this water somehow looks like rtx tbh

[vernal tinsel]

versioned blocks.json 😋

[earnest prawn]

Can't wait to see how my new PBR effects hold up for deferred now

[thorny bramble]

Yeah, that's the direction they're going to with some other things like PBR

[cerulean quiver]

im confused on what the locate command change means

[atomic pivot]

Super happy to hear they are making changes to it!

[half oracle]

does SSR works on blocks

[cerulean quiver]

pretty cool preview tho

[verbal harbor]

Bedrock Dedicated Server for Minecraft Preview v1.21.20.22 is out now!

[atomic pivot]

Perhaps a tip for custom structures defining

[cerulean quiver]

would be huge

[ashen stream]

Blocks and water

[half oracle]

:0000

asdasda

[thorny bramble]

I hope there are rough reflectins as well

[high bridge]

The /locate structure command now uses namespaced structure names. Structure names provided without a namespace will assume the “minecraft” namespace

Copium intensifies

[atomic pivot]

Hopefully that means custom structure definitions

Is this the beggining of world gen for the marketplace

I know the answer just let me be happy 😔

[sacred kite]

cool deferred updates

[bitter knoll]

not yet. still a ways out on that

[torn root]

Up to a point. The creator docs will be updated today with the roughness range details.

[atomic pivot]

😔

[ashen stream]

:O

[thorny bramble]

:0

[ashen stream]

I guess for now I make everything reflective and observe SSR :3

[thorny bramble]

Mirror room with max FOV would look interesting I bet

[torn root]

You absolutely could. It's not restricted to water.

[cerulean quiver]

what's subsurface scattering actually do again?

[high bridge]

Docs are still missing some things such as item display transforms, durability sensor for items

[ashen stream]

Awesome!!

I can't wait to try it in-game

[atomic pivot]

By the way, has there been any updates to the information we can know about the "connectable" block trait?

[thorny bramble]

Oh also, items pbr

[dense ginkgo]

any update on mail-gpu shadow bug thing?

[thorny bramble]

No SSS yet ig

[cerulean quiver]

a myth

[torn root]

Laser swords anyone?

[bitter knoll]

not yet. that work is still sitting behind a bunch of other block work.

[earnest prawn]

Since my reflectives are still tuned for RTX reflection I'd imagine mine would look fine?

Maybe not exact since SSR is different from RT WSR

[high bridge]

Entities pbr improved when?

[atomic pivot]

Fair enough, there are many days left still for Christmas 😛

[late carbon]

Ping him

Everyone

[high bridge]

ACES emissiveness not being able to see the pixels fix when

[late carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975669020374216734.webp?size=48

[sacred kite]

does SSR work in first person? First person mirrors?

I'd assume not

[cerulean quiver]

is ssr just reflection stuff then?

[thorny bramble]

Nah, SSR reflects only things that are already on the screen

[sacred kite]

since the player doesn't get rendered

[cerulean rose]

Happy Preview day \o/

[cerulean quiver]

srry im clueless

[torn root]

No, that is one of the limitations of that technique

[sacred kite]

would it reflect the shadow though?

if it's on screen, of course

[dense ginkgo]

Ima assume that fix is at very low priority

[sacred kite]

wonder how my discord profile banner would look in deferred now

[ashen stream]

Next week I think

[thorny bramble]

Android beta is out

[torn root]

No, it's just proven tricky to solve. We are very close to shipping the fix, it has just taken a while to get the "right" solution.

[sacred kite]

if this is the case though, would it still reflect the hand like RTX did?

[late carbon]

can ssr reflect entities

[sacred kite]

or is that rendered differently in deferred

guess I should load up the preview and experiment myself

[strong prawn]

Guys it's over, anvils are deprecated

[thorny bramble]

Hand would obscure a big portion of the image behind it, so I assume it won't be included in reflections

[ashen stream]

How would SSR run on mobile? I saw only on Ultra setting for reflections, but is it playable?

[earnest prawn]

Woah

[late carbon]

Yes

[dense ginkgo]

Oh, i see. will the patch gonna be included in the next preview or be in the works for a while?

[earnest prawn]

Deferreds lighting looks different

[ashen stream]

Also, is the IBL or whatever reflections gone or is it used for lower settings?

[pastel basalt]

I read candles and thought that texture set would be fixed

[late carbon]

Ultra reflection settings isn't so laggy

[thorny bramble]

Java shaders that don't exclude hand from SSR have ugly artefacts with missing reflections

[tacit rivet]

yay love the bundles
Realy nice DRP stuff though

[pastel basalt]

hopefullly this fixes reflections bug

[ashen stream]

SSR isn't that bad for my GPU from what I tested in Godot and other engines

[torn root]

I don't have an ETA yet, but soon ™️

[high bridge]

I presume you watched wattles video kayla, if so, any plans to implenet his suggestion of adding a tooltip to what each deferred rendering slider does?

[late carbon]

what's ETA

[dense ginkgo]

will definitely not touch that reflection slider otherwise my game will go

[thorny bramble]

That's a good idea

[tacit rivet]

Estimated Time of Arrival

[ashen stream]

Light mode

[pastel basalt]

probably when ore ui reaches to the screen

[late carbon]

ok thank

[dense ginkgo]

I see, appreciate the answer.

[meager kettle]

Flattening!

[ashen stream]

Go underwater

also, 23FPS is not bad

[high bridge]

But why does it need to be oreui?

[thorny bramble]

show that caustics

[late carbon]

can it be less transparent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975677387742265344.webp?size=48

[earnest prawn]

There don't appear to be caustics

[ashen stream]

Does it wave

[earnest prawn]

Unless it's not on mobile

[torn root]

Not quite yet. Snell's window is there though.

[earnest prawn]

Haven't noticed it

[final siren]

Happy preview day!

[ashen stream]

I won't mind. We got SSR

[torn root]

We still have a lot coming for water 😉

[earnest prawn]

The snells window looks a little odd but it's there

[pastel basalt]

welp i just guess it

[pastel basalt]

lava update when ?

[bold arch]

What about better clouds ?

[ashen stream]

:O I already love this ^^

[high bridge]

waves

Oh actually?

[ashen stream]

make my dead bush wavy :(

[late carbon]

woah

[gentle phoenix]

What is this?

[high bridge]

i was just joking

[empty dome]

im back

[sacred kite]

any time I see block tag mentioned I just think of air tags

[cerulean rose]

It was a way to fix

[final siren]

Aajabrams, do you have much to reflect on this week? BAD JOKE

[earnest prawn]

Wow

The SSR isn't noisy either

[high bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[torn root]

I did, but I deferred it til next week

[high bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[final siren]

Wow that works in both the deferred lighting sense and Resolved as deferred sense🤣 You win..

[pastel basalt]

you are the mod

[swift plover]

Yippee! More block flattenings!

[high bridge]

Dad jokes in my server? Unacceptable

[late carbon]

why is it dark

[high bridge]

If blocks are being flattened...then why are they still 16x16x6? Checkmate

[final siren]

But that is my native food

Like it's not a punishment 🤣

[ashen stream]

Wait, how would normals work on water now?

[dense ginkgo]

hm, the reflection seems a bit off.

[swift plover]

Technically everything is flat, it’s rendered on a screen 🤓

[pastel basalt]

damn praying for your stomach

[ashen stream]

it'll ignore the texture?

[gentle phoenix]

Interested to see what the item texture sets will look like in game

[ashen stream]

We had it before on accident

[earnest prawn]

Mobile limitation I'm thinking

Probably will look better on pc

[ashen stream]

Just waiting for the store to give me the preview and I'll check

[dense ginkgo]

the sky is kinda too blue on reflection like it's not the same one in actual world sky

[thorny bramble]

Let's circle back to the features that were mentioned on QnA

• Color grading (contrast, saturation, gain, offset and split-tone grading)
• Water lighting + movement (caustics, noise, volumetric rays, reflections, refractions (maybe Snell's window), "Water will operate on properties like how much algae is present.")
• Subsurface scattering (no PBR support yet)
• Reflections (SSR + IBL)
• PBR Texture Set support for Items and particles.
  I wonder what's next. Or is that everything? Because if it is, then deferred will be feature complete in a few months, and then will begin a bug fixing and optimisation stage, and official release will follow shortly. Maybe we should do another QnA so that ya'll can reveal next upcoming features

[high bridge]

Erm...world gen qna when

[earnest prawn]

I gotta go for now

Good update guys

[thorny bramble]

World what?

[sacred kite]

x6?? sounds like your blocks got a bit more flattened than intended

[final siren]

Fixed an issue so that Marketplace content is properly imported before you create or start a world
Omg if this fixes what I think that is huge ❤️

[mighty beacon]

Kinda disapointed about this preview

[gentle phoenix]

Huh

[pastel basalt]

july fools?

[half oracle]

wel, they are not rough at all...

[mighty beacon]

I ain't joking

[late carbon]

Wdym, we got everything we wanted

[sacred kite]

I think it's a pretty cool preview

[bold arch]

What dose the water look like

[high bridge]

Flattened in the wrong way

[pastel basalt]

more than cool
this is huge
this is impressive

[barren fjord]

one_way_collidable is nice

[gentle phoenix]

How is that used?

[dense ginkgo]

this is pretty large preview for deferred stuff

[mighty beacon]

What you wanted

[sacred kite]

don't think that's usable for data-driven stuff tho

it said vanilla block tag

[late carbon]

what did you want

[gentle phoenix]

Not sure why it was mentioned in the changelog if it's vanilla only.

[barren fjord]

yeah but maybe one day 😔

[bold arch]

Whem is the preview releasing for other platforms

[mighty beacon]

I didn't get that message

[pastel basalt]

where is the update?

[late carbon]

what*

[sacred kite]

that's happened a couple times in the past where they added stuff that should probably only be internal

[pastel basalt]

isn't it supposed to drop in 15 mins

[late carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975669159864180808.webp?size=48

[gentle phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[dense ginkgo]

wish i could update

though im NOT reinstalling the stable for 5th time

[mighty beacon]

oh then the fix for HD items, bundles and some serious parities changes

[elfin owl]

What about shader features like waving leaves and water

[thorny bramble]

Water is already on the list and was partially updated in todays preview. There was no mention of waving foliage on the QnA afaik, so we have no reason to believe that it's coming

[elfin owl]

☹️

[torn root]

Water movement is what we are referring to as "waves"

[torn root]

Today's preview was the "lighting" aspect 👍

[late anvil]

Devs, I want Bed recipe

[ashen stream]

MS Store loves to take its time today

[dense ginkgo]

i love water patterns

[gentle phoenix]

We need 3 block high waves, tides, and dynamic physics with boats.

[high bridge]

Mojang writing out water movement instead of waves to prove they're not lazy /s

[thorny bramble]

Ig fbm waves are still cooking being worked on

[half oracle]

Thank you :D

[sacred kite]

dynamic physics with boats??

physics mod?

[pastel basalt]

f
i am going to sleep now

[gentle phoenix]

Basically lol

[earnest prawn]

SSR does not work on mirrors

[gentle phoenix]

We need this

[thorny bramble]

Uh oh I hope there isn't any breaking change in material format

[dense ginkgo]

"how to turn a phone into a portable C4"

[sacred kite]

wouldn't this need molang? FORBIDDEN!

[gentle phoenix]

Anyone else play valheim?

Need those kind of waves

[ocean knot]

1000%

[earnest prawn]

Water is great

[earnest prawn]

I just realized there's a water foam

[ashen stream]

Me who has a Mali gpu

[earnest prawn]

That's pretty nice

[late carbon]

YES

[late carbon]

this is looking exactly the way I wanted

[late anvil]

Psst, ||allow overriding bed recipe without telling the team and the managers||

[mystic wyvern]

preview day?

[late carbon]

Yes

[mystic wyvern]

:doggysmurkW:

[weary spoke]

He works on the graphics team, also that is not possible

[mystic wyvern]

HUH WHAT IS THAT IN THE WATEE

:DOGGYSMURKW:

[swift plover]

[shy kite]

W preview

[late carbon]

@zenith whale you gotta see this when you get back from camping

[dense ginkgo]

i wanna see how is this water gonna look in mail-gpu

it gonna look very funny

[cerulean quiver]

i wanna check out locate command but testflight being lazy smh

[rich tusk]

@zenith whale L

😂

[late carbon]

What

[mystic wyvern]

yooo sooo

item pbr, SSR, new lighting model for water?

and fixes

TOP DEFERRED UPDATE

[weary spoke]

Excuse me?

[ashen stream]

Wow

[mystic wyvern]

DEFERRED RENDER DISTANCE BUFF?

[weary spoke]

Why is my render distance at 96??

[shy kite]

Agreed

[earnest prawn]

I didn't expect there to be a water foam

[shy kite]

Oh?

[earnest prawn]

That's a pretty neat detail

[mystic wyvern]

mmm sea foam

[shy kite]

I didn't notice that

[earnest prawn]

Yep you see the white at the edges

[sacred kite]

wait huh????

[dense ginkgo]

bro got higher render distance than non-deferred render distance

[shy kite]

I can get 96 chunks

[weary spoke]

I'm on iOS

[mystic wyvern]

rtx 5000 type shi

[dense ginkgo]

yeah same

"options.txt"

[scenic jackal]

Thank you for cooking mojang

[late carbon]

best way to cook

[weary spoke]

uh oh, enabling reflections makes the game crash for me on iOS

[bold arch]

Whens the update releasing for xbox

[high bridge]

Windows when

[ashen stream]

Patiently waiting

[scenic jackal]

Man deferred looks amazing now

Excuse the low quality screenshots

I'm on my phone atm

[earnest prawn]

Also

The lighting looks a lot better too

[scenic jackal]

True

[earnest prawn]

Maybe I'm crazy but the general lighting looks more balanced

[scenic jackal]

Yeah

Absolutely on Android too

[half oracle]

o wow

nice screenshots

[earnest prawn]

It just looks more accurate. Shadows look darker

I might be crazy

And lighting

Idk

But the water looks a whole lot better

Ofc

[late carbon]

when update on Android

[dense ginkgo]

it's already out?

[late carbon]

oh ok

[half oracle]

idk, i don't see difference

[earnest prawn]

Something changed with the lighting. It looks different. I can't pin exactly what it is though

[dense ginkgo]

the shadow on water looks, uh. idk.

[scenic jackal]

Already out

[dense ginkgo]

why is the shadow white

[scenic jackal]

That's not a shadow

It's water foam

[earnest prawn]

Yeah

Water edge sea foam

Very nice touch

[scenic jackal]

Yes

[dense ginkgo]

definitely have a giant room for improvement

[scenic jackal]

I'm waiting for it to come out for PC so we'll see how it looks at max potential

[dense ginkgo]

i do not like this

[ashen stream]

Store likes to be slow on good days

[dense ginkgo]

it's so huge

[scenic jackal]

Also great work aaja, the graphics team really did amazing job

[scenic jackal]

Probably a bug or just my low input resolution messing it up

[dense ginkgo]

indeed a pretty good preview might definitely try it tomorrow

[high bridge]

createWorldScreen.experimentalFocusTargetCamera=Creator Cameras: Focus Target Camera
createWorldScreen.experimentalFocusTargetCameraDescription=Enables behavior for the existing free camera to target an entity
Was this in the changelogs?

[cerulean quiver]

no

[high bridge]

options.creator.serverboundClientDiagnosticsEnabled=Enable Client Diagnostics
Oh?

[bold arch]

Old water looks 🤮

[cerulean quiver]

hmmm

[mystic wyvern]

placeholder watee

vs

[ashen stream]

Wait, Imma do a before and after while I wait for the PC update

[mystic wyvern]

ULTRA WATER

[earnest prawn]

Old vs new

[scenic jackal]

[mystic wyvern]

:doggysmurkW:

[scenic jackal]

That's a difference and a half

[mystic wyvern]

hooo ohohh ohhooo aaawhh aoohhh awwww 🦍

[earnest prawn]

My water normal kinda looks like subtle waves too

Kinda neat

[mint parcel]

😉

[weary spoke]

hello navi

[mystic wyvern]

script check

[dense ginkgo]

accidentally summoned the script team

[mint parcel]

https://github.com/Mojang/minecraft-debugger/pull/74

[high bridge]

Why not in changelog?

[mint parcel]

Hmm because we forgot lol

[high bridge]

"We" 🥱 more like you

[wind thorn]

wowzers!

[rocky flicker]

oops forgot there was a preview today

[mint parcel]

Still polishing the experience. The only thing in there is FPS/frame times

[weary spoke]

Oooo

[mint parcel]

listen here you little..

[high bridge]

😤 In this server we bully West Coast users

[mystic wyvern]

how could you forget, today is a significant one

[rocky flicker]

hmm.. Anvil is another block that's popped up being flattened where I don't really agree with flattening it

[torn root]

Yeah, this isn't intentional. The white that people are seeing on the edges is NOT purposeful sea foam. It's an artifact with volumetrics boundaries at the water surface. It will improve over time.

[scenic jackal]

Ooh I see

[mystic wyvern]

sea foam bug

[cerulean rose]

@high bridge I am waiting on my changelog 😡

[ashen stream]

• fixed a bug

[torn root]

Yeah, I gotta say, it can be a pleasing bug in the right scenarios, but bad in others.

[late anvil]

Navi, ||allow overriding bed recipe without telling the team and the managers please please||

[dense ginkgo]

yeah understandable

[weary spoke]

Tempted to make my own version of the debugger and have it store all my client’s data for later

[earnest prawn]

Whaaaat?? Man I thought that was intentional

[scenic jackal]

True, I don't really mind it that might, I like how the water looks now either way

[shy kite]

Lol, nice

[earnest prawn]

An artifact creating sea foam like stuff

That's crazy

[torn root]

I wish 🙂

[cerulean rose]

Add a toggle for those who want to keep it! /s

[earnest prawn]

Makes me want water edge foam now

[mint parcel]

Pull requests welcome! I love the idea of storing the data in a "report" for later viewing

[late carbon]

it would be cool if it looks like this

[earnest prawn]

Yeah that's what I thought it was supposed to be

Unfortunate it's a bug

[final siren]

Yes! That sounds great!! Or being able to create an export and more accurately skim through the data

[late carbon]

maybe we can turn a bug into a feature

[lone otter]

viewOffset 👀 who wanted to make that third person shooter addon or whatever?

That’s awesome

[mystic wyvern]

the java way

[earnest prawn]

Would be cool

[dense ginkgo]

sir this is not bethesda

[earnest prawn]

both Microsoft owned

[late carbon]

can we get full info like java

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975669159864180808.webp?size=48

[late carbon]

not all this

[fiery karma]

my first minecraft experience lol

[scenic jackal]

Is the block SSR's reflection range meant to be so small?

[late carbon]

Just the simple things

[mint parcel]

This is all we have in the client diagnostics right now BTW

[earnest prawn]

Could be low on mobile

[lone otter]

Wdym? It can only reflect what’s on screen if that’s what you mean

[earnest prawn]

For performance reasons

[weary spoke]

The average FPS one is gonna be very useful

[scenic jackal]

Hold on lemme give a better example

[high bridge]

👀 Check again?

[earnest prawn]

I'm gonna play with reflection configs when I get home

[late carbon]

omg I really wanted in-game fps counter like in previews

[earnest prawn]

And the windows update is out

[cerulean rose]

Thank you 😍

[ashen stream]

windows man

[earnest prawn]

I wanna learn how to make graphics stuff like this fr. It seems so cool

[lone otter]

I wish they would purge the iOS TestFlight or something

Can never get in

[earnest prawn]

Welp I guess I'll put my school provided free unity to use lol

If I have time

[swift plover]

.dat files

[scenic jackal]

The area sampled for the reflections seems rather small on blocks, like barely anything is reflecting outside of an immediate 2 block area

[high bridge]

Imma be real we do NOT need all of that lol

[earnest prawn]

Those trees should be reflected

[swift plover]

You do not understand, I need to know when next spooky cave noise

[earnest prawn]

Water range seems unlimited though

[weary spoke]

.nbt >>

[scenic jackal]

Modders have already added a lot of that info through clients

[lone otter]

Idk that’s weird

[high bridge]

Keyword "modders", vanilla and average users do not need all that noise on their screen. I would be willing to accept a customizable f3 instead

[scenic jackal]

True

Some of the f3 info would be quite nice to have

I don't see it as a requirement

[swift plover]

Just F3 in general would be nice, even if just for toggleable coordinates

[earnest prawn]

Honestly I just want an in game fps counter, biome information and a few other things

[tepid fiber]

F3 is something, I dreadfully miss from Java. Was so useful!

[cerulean quiver]

looks cool

[ashen stream]

I know that sky

[scenic jackal]

I'm honestly fine with using external software for that, don't see why regular players would need fps displays on a block game :p

[ashen stream]

[scenic jackal]

It would be nice to have for graphics fanatics

[high bridge]

Erm...so I can flex my RTX 9090 with my 2000FPS on a silly block game?

[ashen stream]

Yes

[scenic jackal]

Also max fps testing would benefit from having an inbuilt frame counter

[scenic jackal]

Quite real

If bedrock ever gets to the level of modded java optimization, the fps would be crazy

[atomic pivot]

You won't spawn again Herobrine, just surrender

[wind thorn]

why is the sky so dark in deferred rendering pipeline?

[scenic jackal]

I get about 1500 fps on a m2 macbook air in java mc, and only 150 to 200 on bedrock. (Mac not having an official bedrock port doesn't help :p)

[scenic jackal]

Can you share screenshots?

[half oracle]

i hope we will get rough ssr, for now reflections always look like a mirror

i hate it

[scenic jackal]

Eh

I personally don't mind

[earnest prawn]

Honestly just having the ability to look at current biome and what block I'm looking at stuff like that. F3 is quite useful

[scenic jackal]

Rough SSR would look better tho

[half oracle]

i love this update, but i hope for rough ssr

[earnest prawn]

Varied roughness SSR would be nice

[thorny bramble]

Wake up, this is just a dream

[earnest prawn]

But there's always room for improvement. It's the first iteration. It'll get better

[ashen stream]

I see the light

[scenic jackal]

[ashen stream]

The light is coming towards me

Could it be?

[scenic jackal]

We need to let the pack artists cook for this new update

[west halo]

My data connection sucks. I managed to read the changelog but I wish all these messages and images would load up 😢

[atomic pivot]

Don't go to the light Poggy

[ashen stream]

I got a kid to feed

[earnest prawn]

Gonna have to port all my major improvements from RTX over and see how they look

[scenic jackal]

[late anvil]

I got ignored, let's start with step 2

[half oracle]

I'm doing it right now

:]

[scenic jackal]

[lone otter]

Question, do either deferred or ray tracing packs actually have shaders? Or is it just making pbrs

I’ve never messed with them much

[earnest prawn]

The shader is built into the game

[lone otter]

Ok that’s what I thought

[scenic jackal]

They have custom shaders yes

[earnest prawn]

And there's a string you put into a resource pack to enable the internal shader

[lone otter]

Wha

[scenic jackal]

Oh packs

No

[weary spoke]

Custom shaders are not possible

[scenic jackal]

No shaders there

[earnest prawn]

But the pack itself is not a shader

[scenic jackal]

Through packs, no
Through material.bin files, yes

[weary spoke]

Through modding, it is possible

[scenic jackal]

Missed the pack word in the message

[scenic jackal]

Yep

[thorny bramble]

To clarify, you don't have to modify the game to install shaders, this can be done by just replacing internal files

[scenic jackal]

☝️

[thorny bramble]

On windows at least, other platforms keep their internal files inside of the game package so u need to repackage it with new modified files.

[high bridge]

Docs are updated!

[ashen stream]

before the windows update 😔

[high bridge]

Whooo! 3K commits

[ashen stream]

But I'll read :3

[dense ginkgo]

lend me any deferred pack

[scenic jackal]

Look up prizma deferred

It's my go to deferred pack

Most likely one of the highest quality deferred packs atm

[high bridge]

BAO mention!!!

[west wyvern]

They're separate items with separate names, so they're separate blocks too. Same as red/normal sand.
The entire point of flattening is to eliminate the magic number "damage" field from items, and keep block states as a block concept. Items become greatly simplified this way.

[ashen stream]

[high bridge]

Oh...this is new?

[weary spoke]

Where is that?

[scenic jackal]

W

[weary spoke]

Let’s goo!!

[bold arch]

I guess the updates not releasing for consoles

[earnest prawn]

Patience

Patience my friend

It's only really on mobile right now anyway

[late anvil]

what file is that?

[high bridge]

Oh mr @mint parcel , it appears something slipped through the pipelines eh?

[warm thunder]

That looks beautiful

[warm thunder]

Yes that would be awesome

[ashen stream]

I'll bonk my head when windows preview is out

[dense ginkgo]

truly a mail-gpu deferred experience

[ashen stream]

I expected that.. kinda

[dense ginkgo]

for whatever reason the dynamic lighting thing and glow now actually more visible in this preview

[weary spoke]

Ah, looks like that’s used in Editor

[open shell]

W preview

[high bridge]

Based

[high bridge]

May we have it for normal scriptping just because

[weary spoke]

It would be useful

[cerulean rose]

Still no release on W10?

[weary spoke]

Still not out

[cerulean rose]

Thank god. I was going insane haha

[gentle phoenix]

Does anyone have a pack they can share that is updated for latest preview?

[half oracle]

for deferred?

[gentle phoenix]

yes

[open shell]

can anyone @ me when it comes out for windows please?

[wind thorn]

for a second i thought thats chad thomas

not that he isnt already a chad

[ashen stream]

Feel like the windows release is gonna be in 2-4 hours

[high bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

[cerulean rose]

I definitely feel like Thomas is sleeping on that button again

[earnest prawn]

Car roomba

[high bridge]

Microsoft! Release the Preview in the next 30 minutes and my life is yours!

[scenic jackal]

Smokey shall be our sacrifice

[earnest prawn]

Wait I read the updated docs

Hold on

[ashen stream]

Oh I gotta read those

[half oracle]

Microsoft! Release the Preview in the next 15 minutes and my ohio sigma skibidi rizz is yours!

[ashen stream]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable#reflections

[earnest prawn]

@torn root sorry for the ping. I know why this doesn't work. It's because of tinted glass being used. 100% mirrors should have SSR applied. After reading the docs they don't apply on glass so ignore this issue

[thorny bramble]

What's the MER value for it?

[half oracle]

😘

[scenic jackal]

[earnest prawn]

Docs said SSR doesn't apply to glass

But it's metal 255, emissive 0, roughness 0

[ashen stream]

just want the preview on pc dawg

[atomic pivot]

You can't give your life 2 times Sean

[ashen stream]

he can take mine

[ocean knot]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
I thought this was my skill issues!
This has haunted me for years

slight in space with no gravity is alot! slight in water with a massive boat is like 3 football fields. lol

[hollow urchin]

ohh i've seen that bug before too, great that they fixed it

[ocean knot]

I didn't know it was a bug, I thought it was the collision boxes overlapping, I've spent countless hours trying to fix and get around this

Why are arrays in Terrain_textures being "removed"

[sacred kite]

it's due to the flattening of block ids

[ocean knot]

but isnt that how we do texture vars for blocks so I can have 50 grass textures

[sacred kite]

for example, stone used to contain andesite so it had an array of textures to have a texture for both normal stone and andesite, but since they were split into two different blocks, there's no need for the array anymore

[sacred kite]

that's a different thing

[ocean knot]

This is a nice add

Will this work across dimensions

[sacred kite]

it looks like it's the same as what follow_owner does, just more controllable

[ocean knot]

Added new entity filter "owner_distance", which checks the distance of an entity from its owner ``` also nice

[sacred kite]

so if that works across dimensions, it should too, but I don't think it does

[snow salmon]

any rp to test

[ocean knot]

We need this also for blocks, we're gettig alot of world destroyed when exp modes expire and blocks change. or custom blocks are removed. We need a way to mass remove the ? blocks or hide them until the addon with those blocks is readded

[cerulean rose]

It does apply to Allays, but dogs or cats don't do that because they aren't ticked if they areg going to teleport

[bold arch]

Updates canceled lol

[weary spoke]

Nope

Be patient please

[ashen stream]

^

[bold arch]

Its been almost 3 hours i have been patient

[cerulean rose]

Not patient enough

[ashen stream]

There are times where it can take 6 hours

I remember when it happened

[weary spoke]

They will release it whenever it's ready

[ashen stream]

Fortnite session whooo

[earnest prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-season-og-victory-royale-vicroy-fn-gif-2012781422752828887

[rocky flicker]

I don't really agree with flattening something like the anvil states into different blocks though

[atomic pivot]

That should be block states

Same with the light block

[left epoch]

damn, i really hoped that bugs with the same block and item identifiers crashing in multiplayer would be fixed this preview =(

[rocky flicker]

Guessing we will see the same changes to beehives/nests next

[high bridge]

Except that you can mine different levels of anvils

Its in parity with Java

[atomic pivot]

And you can destroy different levels of light block

[gentle phoenix]

Ciosciaa has to update his pickaxe digger lists for .20 or I will be sad : (

[atomic pivot]

When destroyed, it should drop the block with the state

[high bridge]

Which makes sense why they got flatenned

[atomic pivot]

Not for me

[gentle phoenix]

Couldn't you just specify the level in replace anyway

[atomic pivot]

It's the point of flattening

[gentle phoenix]

/fill ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ air replace light_block["block_light_level"=4]

[cerulean rose]

The flatting is only for commands, not for 'silk touch' or anything lol

[atomic pivot]

Now they are diff blocks

[cerulean rose]

They always were different blocks

[atomic pivot]

Same block, different state value

[gentle phoenix]

Messes up digger lists tho

[high bridge]

The light level one is ehhh, could go either way but the anvil one definitely needed to get flattened

[atomic pivot]

If vanilla blocks don't use permutations... sure

But otherwise, they should be states

The light one is nonsense for me

The anvil just "makes sense" because is on Java

[high bridge]

Could go either way for me

[high bridge]

Because it does make sense for it to be split?

They're different blocks

[atomic pivot]

They do the same and act the same

Just look differently

[cerulean rose]

Except deprecated_anvil instantly breaks when placed :P

[high bridge]

So should all chiseled and crack variants be a block state then?

[atomic pivot]

No, different type

anvil is the same type

It makes sense to divide blocks in types; logs, slabs, ores, etc

But divide a block of the same type into subvariants only to change the texture and "durability" is... illogical.

[tepid fiber]

I would love having a getGameVersion function for scripting, that would be so nice!

[rocky flicker]

Illogical by your standards

but Logical by everyone elses

[atomic pivot]

Yeah

[rocky flicker]

which means you're wrong

[atomic pivot]

It just means I have a different perspective of things lol

I stick to my standards, won't change to have yours because you don't like mines 😛

[rocky flicker]

It's not a matter of liking or hating

It's wrong vs right

yours is wrong

[atomic pivot]

I wonder how flattened your custom blocks are

[ocean knot]

You should 1v1 in a few games. Winner is right

[high bridge]

Indeed

[rocky flicker]

as flattened as they can be

[high bridge]

Dude, by your logic they act the same just cracked...which is what anvils are

[ocean knot]

My custom blocks are so flat they are particles

[open shell]

this shit wont come out bruh

[high bridge]

Come back tomorrkw

[atomic pivot]

We agree to disagree 🤷‍♂️

Right now I don't see things like that lol

[ocean knot]

Go take a nap and when you awake it will be here

[high bridge]

Having double standards with your own logic is crazy

[atomic pivot]

maybe i change my mind after seeing the changes

too bad the version isn't out

[hollow urchin]

I agree with Kaioga, anvil durability is a property of a block which is why it should be in a block state. It's similar to growth states for crops or the "bite_counter" state for cakes. All the visual variants for the block are related so they should be bundled into one block.

[atomic pivot]

and my mind is not into minecraft at this very moment

[high bridge]

Its literally just, if it has its own slot in the creative menu, it deserves its own id

[atomic pivot]

ehhh...

I don't see why picking a block with pre-set states in cases where it makes sense is wrong

but anyway, pizza with armadillo

[hollow urchin]

-# ahem light blocks

[cerulean rose]

They are different blocks in the inventory as well, although you cannot get them in the vanilla creative menu, you can still add them

Iirc they are under the 'commands' tab that isn't visible

[rocky flicker]

unfortunately block states don't translate into their item forms

maybe if we had item properties..

[west wyvern]

Block states on items are a category error and that's why they are getting removed

Anything that requires a different item simply must require a different block, simple as that

[half oracle]

where is my preview TwT

[west wyvern]

Were it not so, items would have to lug around extra nonsense data, and you might even need to use that extra nonsense data to look up the model or translation key. Absolutely disgusting, extra complexity for no reason

[high bridge]

Java creative menu

[west wyvern]

So yes, anvils are absolutely appropriate to flatten. It's no different from any other block like wool or sand.

[hollow urchin]

I guess that makes sense, I have been converted

i won't follow that in my addons though 😏

[rocky flicker]

What other blocks besides Bee Hives/Nests that have different states are there?

[west wyvern]

In item form? In java, it's only those and light blocks normally

[rocky flicker]

I don't think there's that many

[pastel wasp]

Furnace

Campfire

[rocky flicker]

in the context of flattening..

Furnaces don't count

[pastel wasp]

2 states, lit, unlit

[swift plover]

Mushroom blocks!!!!

[west wyvern]

Oh yeah, bedrock mushroom blocks are still cursed, good one

[rocky flicker]

please tell me the difference between these two 🥹

[hollow urchin]

horrific

[swift plover]

All 16 states for each

[west wyvern]

In java mushroom blocks have 64 permutations (each face can be on or off). I've been waiting for them to port that forever

[bold arch]

Update out yet?

[rocky flicker]

oh wait

we can't even place the actual mushroom block from the grown mushrooms

it's always just a completely shaved mushroom

[slim lagoon]

@weary spoke + @high bridge these are for an upcoming Editor feature that isn't 100% finished yet. You'll see it in the v0.6.X cycle

[rocky flicker]

I guess the full versions are available in the crafting menu

just not via commands

[weary spoke]

I can’t wait

[atomic pivot]

flatily flat

the flateneitor shall raise

[high bridge]

Hype hype

[late carbon]

ok new button

the delete screenshots thingy

[dense ginkgo]

forgot to check what's new with json-ui

[late carbon]

it's getting kinda tight in here

[tepid fiber]

I guess we need a feature request for this xD

[ancient quiver]

No bundles?

[open shell]

nope

[dense ginkgo]

checked, nothing new :(

[open shell]

However it isn't even out yet

for windows

[mystic wyvern]

my dream is coming

[ocean knot]

Only another year or so and maybe it will be stable

[thorny bramble]

A year is not that long

But it is a realistic estimate imo

[dense ginkgo]

nice missing texture block

you should consider installing counter-strike source

[earnest prawn]

so funny story on that. i imported all the 1.21 textures and forgot to import the actual textures. i only exported the pbr... whoops

[ocean knot]

Being able to do PBR/MER's in blockbench really makes it easier though

[earnest prawn]

i had worked on all these textures i just copied them over from the RTX version of my pack but completely forgor to port the actual texture. im kinda slow today lol

Item pbr works for the most part, it looks like height maps don’t work though

(i didnt try with the pbr here, i just slapped something together to see if it worked)

[scenic jackal]

is the preview still not out yet on windows?

[late carbon]

and android crying as always

[earnest prawn]

my ipad is straight up dying with all of this lol

[late carbon]

even tho I have sd 8 gen 2 lol

[earnest prawn]

normally it tanks but right now its dying

[late carbon]

well night seems ok

Prizma Deferred

[thorny bramble]

Yeah items with models generated from textures don't really use textures for rendering, their color and PBR data is baked into the "polygon squares". And since they don't use textures, they can't look up the data of a nearby pixel to know it's height and calculate slope. For this reason you also can't use PBR textures with different resolution than base color texture resolution

[earnest prawn]

i see

[mystic wyvern]

hot

[gentle phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/azad-gif-8209328749288042945

[ocean knot]

BackUP!

BACKUP!

BACKup!

[gentle phoenix]

Cyber having a seizure?

[thorny bramble]

Same. But it still usually updates, despite the scary looking message

[dense ginkgo]

i guess it's time to backup or com.mojang folder will eradicate itself like 2-3 previews ago

[scenic jackal]

wowie, trying to update preview through xbox app literally crashed the app

[ocean knot]

backup? I did

[dense ginkgo]

this preview on win isn't out?

[ashen stream]

Is this a dream?

[gentle phoenix]

I don't need backup for preview

I use version/profile launcher

[scenic jackal]

dont think so

[thorny bramble]

Nightmare

That you can't wake up from

[ashen stream]

Still not on windows?

[dense ginkgo]

looks like a microsoft store being lazy again

hope it reaches full 24hrs tho

[ashen stream]

xboxb app?

[scenic jackal]

no workey

[ashen stream]

:(

I gotta make new normals for my water somehow :(

[ocean knot]

I'm just a backup cheer leader. I assume people create stuff in preview they still dont' want to loss. But it's also just a good time while you wait to do a good full backup.

[cerulean rose]

That is a very cool banner for a version switcher lol

[ocean knot]

I want to try to make this hair. Hair is so hard. I think this is do able

[cerulean rose]

I hate that mouth haha

[gentle phoenix]

Reminds me of monster school

the nsfw versions

[ocean knot]

yeah I hate those.

[cerulean rose]

🤨

[high bridge]

Microsoft! Release the preview by the end of today and my life is yours!

[cerulean rose]

Very wholesome chat

Pretty much me

You should be more precise though, it isn't released on PC sadly

[ocean knot]

What are you going to do once the preview is out?

[half oracle]

I'll pray

[ocean knot]

You can pray now, no need to wait

[half oracle]

and then I will make an amazing pbr

[ocean knot]

What are you most excited about and going to try first

You could be making it in blockbench right now

[atomic pivot]

No way

poor head

my head

the cringe is too powerful

Don't do that Cyber

pls 🙏

[half oracle]

want to see how it looks with mojang ssr implementation/in game with my textures

[ocean knot]

yep

srr? ssr?

[half oracle]

ssr and how i can make my water even better

[ocean knot]

I'm excited

to see it

Is there PBR/MER support for entities?

particles?

[half oracle]

yes and yes

[ocean knot]

What programs do you use to make the PBR/MER files?

[half oracle]

gimp/paint.net

[ocean knot]

Have you tried the blockbench pbr plugin?

[half oracle]

nah

should I?

is it okay?

[ocean knot]

its new, but I think the concept of being able to do pbrs in 3d space is epic. I do HD to it's not as helpful for me yet I don't think. But I gave up on all this after RTX hell. So I'm not sure when I'll get back in to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNbyVTJGww

[shy kite]

imagine still no update on pc

[earnest prawn]

still?

rippppp

[shy kite]

after 5+ hours

[half oracle]

Still no update

[earnest prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-update-gif-27030806

[verbal harbor]

Minecraft Preview v1.21.20.22 is out now on the Microsoft Store!

[weary spoke]

finally

Almost exactly 5 AM

[shy kite]

lmao

11 PM for me

[earnest prawn]

wow

took... so long

[ashen stream]

Goodmorning to you too.

[earnest prawn]

i was just about to go to sleep

[ashen stream]

And I just woke up

[earnest prawn]

guess i cant now

[shy kite]

Finally got it updating

[ashen stream]

😭 finally

[gentle phoenix]

Just got it

Amazing timing for me

[earnest prawn]

just gonna wait to roll out

[high bridge]

For fucks sake as im about to sleep

[earnest prawn]

real

[gentle phoenix]

I was already in bed and I was like it's gotta be out by now.

[shy kite]

got fully updated now

[gentle phoenix]

first windows screenshot

[earnest prawn]

sigh xbox app has it but bedrock launcher does not for me. crying

nvm

just got it

[shy kite]

2nd

[earnest prawn]

internet decided to shit the bed :D

then it just goes turbo

[earnest prawn]

everytime i complain lol

[gentle phoenix]

Which pack is this?

[shy kite]

Prizma

[gentle phoenix]

Okay using same thing

[shy kite]

[gentle phoenix]

^

[shy kite]

Yeah, SSR range on blocks seems a bit low

[earnest prawn]

yeah its low on pc too

perhaps that can be adjusted with config

lemme take a look

[ashen stream]

It can

I don't know if there are configs

But, the range can be adjusted from my tests.

[earnest prawn]

well theres SSR settings in here now

[ashen stream]

Those are fun to mess around with

[shy kite]

Would be nice if it could disable the point light reflections

[earnest prawn]

wait

emissives... look a lot better

my lava DID NOT look this good in the previous version

wha...

[gentle phoenix]

Indoor environments always look the best.

[scenic jackal]

I woke up 1 hour ago, when did the preview release on pc

[ashen stream]

Finally can check out my world generation with SSR

[scenic jackal]

[ashen stream]

About 25 minutes ago

[scenic jackal]

:o

[earnest prawn]

no way

emissives

have

improved

[scenic jackal]

How so?

[earnest prawn]

better variability

[scenic jackal]

Oh

[earnest prawn]

except for extreme cases still

[scenic jackal]

Hmm

[earnest prawn]

WHAT

emissive items are cool

[scenic jackal]

Quite real

[earnest prawn]

that explains why my torch was emissive

[ashen stream]

Jungle :3

[scenic jackal]

Try adding reflections to items

[earnest prawn]

ssr doesnt work on them

[scenic jackal]

Owie the reflection range do be quite small tho

[rich tusk]

Add reflections to armour

[scenic jackal]

[ashen stream]

Yea :(

[scenic jackal]

Atleast the reflections are pretty noise free

[mystic wyvern]

yay now the packs can be developed more

[earnest prawn]

im trying to figure out which setting affects their range

[scenic jackal]

You need to cook

[earnest prawn]

welp i killed ssr now

[scenic jackal]

Fading power and fading dist

Try those out

Try going at small value increments

[earnest prawn]

well looks like i got it to render further out

i think

[scenic jackal]

Yeah its slightly more

What did ya change?

[ashen stream]

I'll mess around with our vanilla values and later do configs

[earnest prawn]

fading distance

[scenic jackal]

I see

That should do it

[ashen stream]

Uh, this is normal right?

[scenic jackal]

I don't think so

That didn't happen to me, atleast on mobile

[ashen stream]

Seems that it's leaves looking all goofy

[scenic jackal]

Hmm

[ashen stream]

I don't know

[shy kite]

I did notice this odd striping on the reflection

[earnest prawn]

doesnt look like theres anything you can do to improve the range

it seems hardcoded

[scenic jackal]

Probably related to some sort of sampling for the reflections

Or low refinement steps

[earnest prawn]

actually

the range isnt low

its very angle dependent

[scenic jackal]

Hmm

[earnest prawn]

the more agressive the angle, the better it appears

low, medium, high, ultra

its more noticeable in gameplay

another note

handheld items will not obstruct the SSR reflections

which means no weird reflections disapearing while swinging a sword etc

[shy kite]

W

[weary spoke]

I have no idea how I managed to do this

[ashen stream]

I get this when my sky is bright for some reason.

[ancient quiver]

The background 💀

[ancient quiver]

The text... -_-

[ashen stream]

Why does it look good without any fog

[mystic wyvern]

is it really all that foggy irl?

maybe the eddy spaghetti setup was right

[shy kite]

[mystic wyvern]

woahkay

[half oracle]

I noticed that the current ssr implementation does not fill gaps well

(to compare java shader)

[high bridge]

New biome tag: "has_structure_trail_ruins"

[ashen stream]

Mr smokey, any new things about Jigsaw blocks?

Yes I saw tweet nvm

Will it work the same as on Java? (I might wanna fully learn Jigsaw blocks before they're added lol)

[high bridge]

Right...my water still looks like this...

[thorny bramble]

that's rough

[high bridge]

😔 Ik....not sure how yall get the new water

[half oracle]

magic

[thorny bramble]

try decreasing roughness

[high bridge]

What should I try?

[thorny bramble]

0

[dense ginkgo]

roblox water

[ashen stream]

I've been messing around with it the entire morning but could NEVER get rid of the black water during noon/sunset/sunrise or some random spot in the world. I guess it's whatever for now. I checked in editor to edit stuff in real time but yea nothing worked.

[high bridge]

Is the format version for the texture set still 1.16.100 or do i need to bump it to 1.21.20?

[thorny bramble]

I don't think that matters

[thorny bramble]

Tried editing water fog?

[ashen stream]

Yea, but I couldn't get them to work at all.

I don't know why it looks like a void.

[high bridge]

I really don't get it...every water file has a MER of 0,0,0 and yet my water still doesnt look like the screenshots. I removed the normal maps and heightmaps as well

[ashen stream]

Global MER

check that

[high bridge]

Why would my global mer override my block specific mer?

[ashen stream]

It only does when a block doesn't have a texture set

[thorny bramble]

Does ssr work for you on other blocks?

[high bridge]

Imma be real Idk what SSR looks like

[ashen stream]

it's me :D

[thorny bramble]

Reflections of blocks, entities or other things

[high bridge]

Yeah, not getting anything to work...oh well

Time to sleep

[ashen stream]

Yea water fog can't be changed

[late carbon]

is it possible to make the water look like this

the color

And texture

[ashen stream]

I don't think we can add a texture to it, but I am also not sure if we can do this.

Would be cool if ssr also captured the sky and stuff

[high bridge]

Wait wait wait....does global MER override your blocks MER?

[ashen stream]

It shouldn't

[high bridge]

Beyond confused bc i set the global mer for blocks to be 0,255,0 and all my blocks lit up

[ashen stream]

I think it adds that if the block texture (or mer values) doesn't have that assigned to it

[half oracle]

sreen space reflections

[high bridge]

That doesnt help

[high bridge]

Right but thats not whats happening right now

[half oracle]

set reflection slider to ultra

[high bridge]

Everything is at ultra

[half oracle]

are you sure you are using 1.21.20.22?

[high bridge]

Yes

Ive relaunched the game twice now to double check

[half oracle]

huh

[half oracle]

water is overall dark, hope mojang will change it