Graphics Showcases

[silk ore]

can the fog like this only appear in the morning?

[wintry lodge]

it should appear across all times of day. night wont look as good unless i increase the moon brightness which i personally dont really wanna do

let me test

noon. i could probably improve this with some sun angle changes

sunset

with a much brighter moon than before

i just dont want night feeling like day

[silk ore]

Ok

Because some java shaders have a volumetric fog at morning and which then dissipates with the day

[lost rock]

Poggy's Luminous Dream - Default

hable

Prizma Deferred

[ripe island]

Did you changed tonemap?

It shouldn't look that green and bad

[lost rock]

I used 1.2.10 test 3

i didn't change anything

[maiden grove]

Aces on Android

Brokey

[ripe island]

My pack don't use aces

[ripe island]

Try version from mcpedl

And don't install strawberry tonemap

[lost rock]

I'm using normal Minecraft

[split plover]

Did you talked about it?

Only android?

[maiden grove]

Yes

Highlights look pink and green-ish on Android with aces tonemap, because there is a mistake in its implementation

[wet slate]

enderman filter

[wet slate]

yo

[ripe island]

made water even better

[pastel spruce]

I gues thats is not vanilla Deferred, but its really cool i want this water!

[ripe island]

it is

[pastel spruce]

Wow, what json file modifies it?

[ripe island]

my textures modify it

bruh

[pastel spruce]

oh, just texture?

coool

[ripe island]

textureS

[left marten]

[wintry lodge]

Inverted color moment

[knotty badge]

Wow is that pack released i really wanna try that water

[ripe island]

Version with broken fog on mcpedl and version with new fog on my discord server

It's prizma deferred

[civic basin]

Tree v2.

[lost rock]

Plagued Pbr Deferred 1.3.6 - by quirkyplague

[pure lagoon]

Ya'll are getting good at this!

[ripe island]

Good at taking screenshots or making deferred packs? 😎

[pure lagoon]

Both! But I was refering to making the packs 🙂

Can't wait till we get you some water effects to play with.

[left marten]

[lost rock]

Deferred looks so beautiful, just water effects and it'll be perfect 💖

[grizzled wagon]

Can't wait after the overworld has received the most amount of care so that the nether can start receiving love

[wintry lodge]

Can't wait!

[wintry lodge]

How did you get the water to be such a nice blue. I've tried things to change it but nothing had worked. It's still the default light blue

[ripe island]

🪄

[wintry lodge]

Fair enough

[civic basin]

❤️

[rancid zodiac]

is this a hint

please kayla

[maiden grove]

New month = new feature? 👀
I hope so

[mellow inlet]

Im so far behind in deferred its crazy

CRY

[wintry lodge]

took a stab at improving my water

[silk creek]

Looking good, Chef. Is this your nostalgia pack?

[silk creek]

LOVE how clear the clouds come through 😍

[wintry lodge]

Yeah same. My issue before was you couldn't see them at all. With how rough the old normal was and I decided to add some metalness and it all worked out

This normal has like a weird repeating issue as well as a tiling problem but it's far better than before

[ripe island]

NOOOOOO

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT

why metal water 😭😭😭😭😭

[ripe island]

then you would like this too

it's not metallic water

[wintry lodge]

I compared no metalness to metalness and having some not a lot I used about half brought out way cleaner reflections than having none

With no metalness you literally couldn't see the clouds on my water at all

Perhaps it was maybe the old normal but idk

[wet slate]

I'm gonna add metal too

[lost rock]

Prizma Deferred - by alegzzis

Luminous Dream - by xxpoggylitxx

[cedar stream]

No this is prizma with a texture pack applied but I can show some gameplay of my pack soon

[ripe island]

being immodest, I made a nice night sky 🗿

[civic basin]

Some stuff..

[left marten]

Sun Rays

[lone nest]

Radiation

[cedar stream]

Here is my pack

[left marten]

are ya planning to have no vol fog?

[cedar stream]

No I just haven’t messed with it

[left marten]

I see

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred -deferred

[left marten]

[wintry lodge]

Jungle fog looks to be a little thick imo

[vast sandal]

Good fog

[wintry lodge]

ty

my neutral preset doesnt look half bad tbh

[gaunt sorrel]

That is some really thick fog!

[wintry lodge]

yeah. rain moment. i tried to decrease how thick it is while raining but adding a weather option under volumetrics broke it real bad

[wintry lodge]

Water

[lone nest]

Is that weird box gone in reflections?

[wintry lodge]

Not sure

Haven't looked

[cedar stream]

Deferred on iPhone SE 3rd gen

I get more fps cause of the resolution I guess

[civic basin]

Screenshots of the marketplace map, Bloom.

[ripe island]

i need to try this map

Prizma Deferred

[left marten]

[gaunt sorrel]

Great use of height based fog

[cedar stream]

Prizma deferred +more camera perspectives +better player animation +better adventures addon

It Makes the best deferred experience possible

In my opinion

[split plover]

It's better than RTX

[wintry lodge]

In terms of how the fog looks, yes. In terms of how it looks under the trees, no not at all

[split plover]

Why under the trees not good?

[wintry lodge]

There is like no shadowing

Left is RTX right is deferred

RTX looks like an actual dark forest, like roofed forests should be

Deferred is just far to bright

It could be my color grading but I think it's just an issue with how the suns light fills the area

Now it's probably never going to be able to match as again, raytracing is very different from raster

[silk creek]

You just gave me an idea for a deep case study of RTX vs Deferred, once we have the full feature set implemented and tuned. ❤️

My suspicion is that GI is the primary reason for the difference in this image comparison, but that's just my starting hypothesis.

[wintry lodge]

I thought of it being something with ambient occlusion. As well leaves just not absorbing as much sunlight as they should leading to less overall shadowing

But I can't wait to see where you guys take this

I've just noticed that roofed forests are oddly brighter than they probably should be

[silk creek]

Do you have a screenshot that you can share, please? 🙏

[wintry lodge]

These are all taken in a roofed forest. It looks like there's almost no shadowing involved

Night time though looks excellent. It appears to be a day issue

[silk creek]

Hmm. As the screenshots progress (left to right), the shadows do seem to stand out more...

Is color grading the culprit perhaps? As in, is the average luminance in the first image causing the shadows to be removed relative to the rest of the lighting?

(apologies if I don't respond in a timely manner; it's getting late for me 😀)

[wintry lodge]

It's pretty late for me too so it's ok

Uh it very well could be color grading

I just remember these being really bright even before color grading was out

I'll run some tests tomorrow when I can actually mess around with things

[silk creek]

Thank you! You're doing us a big favor investigating further!

[wintry lodge]

Of course no problem

I'll test a couple of packs as well to see if it's consistent

Ok yeah I tested a little with what I have on my phone

It doesn't seem to be color grading related

But more so the brightness of the sun

I tested 4 packs. Mine, prizma, lynx, and poggys. My pack and prizma have roughly the same sun luminance. Around 10-15k I believe. Lynx and poggys have a much darker sun. Idk the specifications. The issue is at least from my own testing reducing sun brightness doesn't look that good.

How did I deduct it as the sun? The exposure change. Brighter suns have much stronger exposure changes than darker suns

Bright suns seem to kill shadows very hard which... well I guess makes sense but that also makes it impossible to use realistic values effectively

Which now I guess to piggy back off of that also causes issues for anything indoors using glass

But that's probably a whole other rendering issue

And being near glass is treated as being outside

But I'm currently unsure on how sun brightness affects this

[wintry lodge]

Anyways always happy to help.

[ripe island]

My pack use 10k but i reduced it to 500

You can try it in 1.2.12 discord test version

[wet slate]

I updated the sun illuminance in 1.5.0
it was so dark cuz it was 5 💀

but the fog looks so bright now cuz of exposure

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred 1.21 pbr :D

[wet slate]

Lava SSS with no Emissive
it looks kinda wrong cuz of the visibility of the point light spot

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred

[wintry lodge]

Just gave that one a try. Yeah shadows are far darker in this version compared to the one I tested last night

[civic basin]

I've been using low values since deferred launched...

[civic basin]

Yea, but using a darker sun helps a lot with auto exposure so it doesn't brighten up some parts of the image too much.. I'll send a pic in #1182091012177399809 in a bit to show what I mean.

[wintry lodge]

oh for sure. I dont doubt that

[wintry lodge]

Huh interesting. Lava with sss lowkey looks better than having emissives, BUT that requires using lava point lights which are bad

[wintry lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191960243899474022/1236081325551648878/RPReplay_Final1714775003.MP4?ex=6636b5f1&is=66356471&hm=2e73e653f8be2eef26b614694b63efc1ce5af4796d33d6a2b945a904044e24ad&

All medium setting 24 chunks on IPad Pro

[wet slate]

ngl this look good tho

Lava point light isn't really bad it just that we need a nasa pc

[wintry lodge]

With how small the current light clustering amounts are as well as how many point lights lava can have

It's all an issue

[wet slate]

custom light clustering ?? 👀

[wintry lodge]

increasing the amount of light clustering does help with a lot of the visual bugs high point light counts bring

i actually tend to modify that with every update

[wet slate]

what is your recommended cluster value

[wintry lodge]

i usually set it toi 300

and increase the range to the same

i also usually increase the distance of point light shadows too as that improves some of their weird pop in issues

well this change i made helps with the bad indoor lighting issues but it makes everything else just look so much more... sad

[wintry lodge]

Plagued PBR Noir Film preset

[wintry lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790943104332202065/1236181221323571304/2024-05-03_23-52-01.mp4?ex=663712fa&is=6635c17a&hm=cfc637d2d5a4e43c5aae49a0c6f8772b5d31fd64a49ffd1f257c2c8fe0d29121&

i made a thing

[wet slate]

sss without emissive vs emissive without sss

[civic basin]

Some screenshots I took while roaming this map. Enabled SSS for fun, not planning to use them but yea it's there.

Luminous Dreams Default Preset and Bloom.

[cedar stream]

It looks like the sdgp tbh

Also what preset is that

[civic basin]

Default.

[cedar stream]

Oh

Ok

[civic basin]

Other parts of the map during night time.

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred

[lost rock]

sss looks kinda cool on the bridge

[wintry lodge]

SSS looks incredible on vines. I highly recommend adding it tbh

Most plant things like grass, ferns all that I'd say it wouldn't be a bad idea to add to those since it mostly works how it should on them

[ripe island]

you don't know how much the sss implementation will change

Just because they look good now doesn't mean they won't look terrible in the future

[wintry lodge]

No but that's also like saying I'm not gonna add fog because they could change it and make it look bad

I mean we all kinda jumped in particle pbr before it came out

With the possibility it could change and not look right

[ripe island]

fog was released with all documentation and there was no indication that it might change

and in sss case, aajab said that the current sss implementation is far from what we will have

these are two different things

[wintry lodge]

Yeah I'm just saying it looks good on small objects. Doesn't look great on full blocks though

I imagine full blocks will be changed heavily and it will probably look miles better than it does now

[ripe island]

But in future it may look bad, what you do now in the future may be too "bright" or look different

[wintry lodge]

Yeah and I'll tweak it for that. I've only added it to one thing anyway

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred

[wintry lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215006221103272006/1236185014589194252/2024-05-04_01-17-06.mp4?ex=6637bf42&is=66366dc2&hm=f3a0e6488e43286b8e9c37cb735b719859203012d99e2b03f6d13190f1a77e7f&

Watr

[wintry lodge]

in the process of redoing alot of stuff for the rtx version of my pack. starting with atmospheres

[wintry lodge]

Ughhh can't wait for SSR

(Ik these are RT reflections but still)

[lone nest]

I want SSS on RTX

[wintry lodge]

Same. It would be so good man

After using PTGI GFME which has SSS... it was just perfection

[lone nest]

I have to check that out again sometime, I haven't used that shader in a while

Mostly due to the performance and me using Photon shaders

[wintry lodge]

Yeah it doesn't run that great especially on iris

[lone nest]

I'll try it on Optifine next time

[wintry lodge]

It runs better on optifine and optifine makes me sad

[lone nest]

Lol

[wintry lodge]

Actually I don't think the GFME versions of PTGI works on optifine anymore

[lone nest]

Maybe BRTX figures something out

Or once Deferred is in its finished state, we could get updates to RTX

Still very uncertain

[wintry lodge]

Probably one of the devs is cooking rn.

[lone nest]

Yeah

[wintry lodge]

There was a test build with a redone irradiance cache. I tried it out it was... well he said it was broken real broken but it worked for the most part

[lone nest]

I want to say Veka mentioned SSS being a possibility in RTX due to it being in Deferred, but I'm unsure if he said it or not

I'll have to double check

[lone nest]

What does that do?

[wintry lodge]

It basically affects how things refresh

So lighting reflections all that

[lone nest]

Ah

[wintry lodge]

Well it was broken as in the GI was never refreshed which caused some rather funny looking issues

But reflections updated way faster than normal and had much reduced ghosting which was a plus

Which if we ever got RTX updates officially targeting the irradiance cache would definitely be a good idea

[lone nest]

Oh, that's very nice

[lone nest]

Also, yeah

[wintry lodge]

GI issues with the broken irradiance cache

Carpets be glowing lmao

[lone nest]

Ominous carpet lights

Reminds me of the glowstone under the carpet trick

[wintry lodge]

Oh yeah lol

Hey with SSS that's possible

[lone nest]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about

Who knows, maybe someday I could become some sort of graphics developer and make my own shaders and such

Seems like a pretty nice thing to do

[wintry lodge]

Fr. I wanna make one at some point

[lone nest]

At the moment , I only know how to "Use" graphics

Like in rendering in Blender

[wintry lodge]

I know a little about what goes into it, it's a good amount of trigonometry

But idk how to write the code

[lone nest]

Hmm

Suppose I'll see what different classes have to offer

[wintry lodge]

Yep. I just learned about trig in JavaScript and my professor said that this can be applied to basically anything that needs accurate angles and such, like shaders

[lone nest]

Intresting

[ripe island]

Prizma deferred

[civic basin]

Poggy's Luminous Dreams (Forgot to disable SSS)

[cedar stream]

How come I can’t get those light rays even tho I have volumetric fog on ultra

[wintry lodge]

render distance possibly

low render distance hurts fog ray range

[cedar stream]

Ok

[wintry lodge]

i think i have now perfected fog across both rtx and deferred now. I be cooking fr

[wintry lodge]

god i wish the fog could haze like this in deferred but i have a feeling this is tied to GI

[ripe island]

idk man, even i have rays, and my pack don't have that much fog

[civic basin]

Luminous Dreams on some other Marketplace map I forgot the name about. These pics aren't as good but thought I might share them here ^^

[cedar stream]

Pleagued pbr + true realism = super duper graphics pack

[knotty badge]

u sure?

[cedar stream]

well it’s the closest textures i could find to sdgp

[rancid zodiac]

was this with HAL engine

[knotty badge]

I guess so

Must've been since they gave up on it

[cedar stream]

Sdgp in this trailer was on hal and a separate build for showcasing it

But after they revealed it they found code flaws

It seemed to not be able to work with hal

[left marten]

it most likely was not made with the HAL renderer

stuff like proper shadowmaps for realtime shadows didn't exist in HAL

as far as I remember

[cedar stream]

So I guess that’s what made them create render dragon

[left marten]

it was probably a new, completely seperate renderer

[left marten]

RTX was likely a bigger reason for the creation of RD

[wintry lodge]

As it was announced when RTX was added to the game

[placid willow]

Renderdragon is just easier to develop for multiple platforms

[cedar stream]

yeah but they couldn’t have been working on sdgp and rtx at the same time

unless sdgp was gonna be rtx

[wintry lodge]

When was SDGP announced

RTX came out in 1.16.200

And had betas all the way back to at least 1.15

[wintry lodge]

I think if I'm wrong lmk

[cedar stream]

june 2017 and kept being in development until august 2019 the same month rtx and render dragon was announced

during that time the devs said they were working on a new graphics engine for sdgp

as the code wouldn’t fit with old code

which i guess meant it wouldn’t work with hal

[wintry lodge]

So then yeah they were both in development at the same time

Cuz if RTX betas go back to late 1.15

[cedar stream]

what if sdgp was gonna be ray tracing or at least use it

[wintry lodge]

Probably wouldn't have

[cedar stream]

there was a comment on reddit from a dev saying sdgp was gonna have ray tracing

[wintry lodge]

But there was left over SDGP files in the release RTX

Or well settings were left over

Super fancy water, cloud layers that stuff were found. I found them myself as well

[cedar stream]

i found them too

via a pack i found on yt

[cedar stream]

this is why i think sdgp is actually rtx

ray tracing is what’s left of sdgp

but it was gonna have more features

but never came

or

they were gonna have two ray tracings

but i doubt that

[rancid zodiac]

no deferred changelog

[cedar stream]

it’s a tiny preview ofc not

and probably the last one of the cycle

[civic basin]

#1182091012177399809

[mellow inlet]

Bare Bones with RTX (Made with Obsidian-MC Alpha)

[cedar stream]

man i hope they can add wavy water like that to deferred

[wintry lodge]

just did pbr for the kelp

[wintry lodge]

full underwater suite of plants are done

[vast sandal]

beautiful sky reflection and light shaft

[wintry lodge]

Mycelium. Not gonna detail my thought process again but I'll just say that a lot of thought went into the making of the pbr for this one (it also has a custom texture)

[ripe island]

Prizma Deferred

[rancid zodiac]

mmm that light shaft

[pastel spruce]

Wow this looks really well

[wintry lodge]

Ty

[fringe swan]

I took some screenshots of the Tinycraft addon with Prizma 1.2.10. (As you can see, it is a bit broken, but kinda cool looking nonetheless)

(This is how it looks normally)

[cedar stream]

move the tinyctaft recourse pack above the prizma deferred pack

to get the tinycraft textures

[left marten]

Deferred?

[vast sandal]

Plagued PBR

[wintry lodge]

wow

my fogs are handled pretty well too

work in progress cinematic preset

[vast sandal]

look cool

[wintry lodge]

work in progress preset 2: Horror Film

rough breakdown of this preset, blood moon, red sky at night, pure white sun, all biomes sport a heavy white fog, the sun is darker

this is without a doubt probably the coolest thing ive made

[rancid zodiac]

deferred popping off guys!1!!1!!1

[wintry lodge]

Fr

[ripe island]

No, your mom

[placid willow]

[left marten]

[knotty badge]

dark souls

[wintry lodge]

Plagued PBR Cinematic preset (mobile edition)

[cedar stream]

Oooo I gotta try that out

[wintry lodge]

Yeah it looks kinda cursed at times but overall I think it achieves the goal

[mellow inlet]

Bare Bones Obsidian (Cat RTX Preset) + BetterRTX

[lone nest]

[wintry lodge]

completely redesigned all of the stripped logs. rather happy with them

[wintry lodge]

also created a rather nice shade from grass to dirt

[lone nest]

[wintry lodge]

I'm honestly though really happy with how much I've improved both texturing wise and pbr wise.

It's nice to feel good about something :D

[cedar stream]

Better adventures addon + vanilla pbr

[wintry lodge]

Was working on my own preset for Dr. Cats Obsidian generator (packs used are barebones and an edited version of my pack)

[vast sandal]

Not ray tracing but good

[rancid zodiac]

wowie

[wet slate]

i have time for deferred again

[wet slate]

lynx 1.5.1 - stony peaks

[civic basin]

Progress on my fog rework for Luminous Dreams. Aiming to make them only visible in special or rare cases

[wintry lodge]

Lookin good so far

[cedar stream]

I have my render distance up and yet I still can’t see the rays

😭

[civic basin]

"Aiming to make them only visible in special or rare cases"

The pack still has the old fog configs within a subpack

[left marten]

:O

[mellow inlet]

I hope to release around mid June

[left marten]

Nice

[mellow inlet]

depends how fast the other preset creators do

I think Quirky is done tho

[left marten]

Quirky is working on a preset ye?

[mellow inlet]

yea

[left marten]

Oh nice

[mellow inlet]

So far its CatRTX, Plague's Preset, and Default

I should have 2 (or possibly three) more presets waiting

I should put some screenshots in #1046947779118895114 rq

[wintry lodge]

yeah. im still fine tuning a lot of things i broke emissives in all packs that arent barebones

[wintry lodge]

yeah done with the base. just fine tuning

[wintry lodge]

Looks good for sure

[left marten]

Great colour grade

[wintry lodge]

Haven't messed around with deferred in a bit. Been redoing my RTX pack for a bit now

[left marten]

I haven't played minecraft in a month

[wintry lodge]

Dang. Tbh I haven't really played it too much. Just been working on pack stuff. And occasionally jumping into yss mc

I've started a new project though. A simplified barebones version of my pack

[civic basin]

Yea I'm still a bit unsatisfied with that as well as my fog. I've been working on both for about 4 days now and I'm not near my goal.

But thanks ^^ :3

[wintry lodge]

I'm in the same boat honestly. I tweak these things so much and never satisfied.

[civic basin]

I have about 200 worlds from testing different biomes in different cases to ensure my fog works

[wintry lodge]

Yep lmao

[civic basin]

Thankfully so far it seems my light shafts are noticeable in some special cases like that cave thing

[wintry lodge]

Yea

[civic basin]

What bothers me is how fog looks in the distance. Would be nice if fog had a radius around the player or something so they can actually see further, but idk

[wintry lodge]

Ooh like a definable max distance

[civic basin]

Yea

[wintry lodge]

Like we can with the vanilla fog

Well ok that one's a little different but the idea is the same

[civic basin]

Just inverted I think, because after like 64 blocks around you there is no fog

[wintry lodge]

Yea ik what you mean

I want more fog options for sure

[civic basin]

But I'm happy with how my fog looks right now. Still unsatisfied on the forest but I'll get there eventually. Maybe the Birch needs a tweak or two.

But imo light shafts in rare cases makes them more beautiful I feel like

[wintry lodge]

Yeah. Depends for me honestly

Can't remember if I posted these

[civic basin]

I like

[rancid zodiac]

wewie

[civic basin]

I am not sure how I feel about this type of fog...

[wintry lodge]

It looks very fantasy-like. Magical i guess

[civic basin]

Unsure if it looks good. Spent like 4 hours to get it to look like this

[wintry lodge]

I like the look

It gives mystical forest vibes

And the color grading also really supports that

[civic basin]

I guess I am used to see light shafts like everywhere

[civic basin]

You free to provide feedback and some suggestions to improve?

[wintry lodge]

Honestly idk

It looks good to me overall

Perhaps it could be a little thicker

[civic basin]

Yea I forgot what controls that lol

[wintry lodge]

Max density and scattering

[civic basin]

My density is 0.595 with a mix of 0.2xx scattering

[wintry lodge]

Oh maybe don't increase it then

Do these utilize height?

[civic basin]

yep

not uniform

[wintry lodge]

You could slightly raise the maximum density height. Perhaps by a small value of like 5

[cedar stream]

Yes

I don’t like how the fog is just completely grey at noon

[civic basin]

dw I dislike it as well

[cedar stream]

Noon in deferred is my least favorite tbh

Cause I can’t see anything

Like the brightness turned down

[civic basin]

for me it's too bright

[wintry lodge]

idk i had something neat with noon

i made the sky a darker blue and i belive i made the sun a little darker

[civic basin]

Same fog but at the cave thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173233107231588362/1241898285975867482/2024-05-20_01-27-57.mp4?ex=664bdf68&is=664a8de8&hm=1aff2be81095a185a5171902a7d9f967edf2dd4903430c1ee95992d79d243ac6&

[wintry lodge]

ok that looks really good

[civic basin]

Yea the fog isn't the same everywhere and I think it works really well ^^

Unsure if I should use absorption because I still don't know what it does lol

[wintry lodge]

absorption adds color to it

[cedar stream]

@civic basin sorry for ping but your pack goes good with scary addons

[wintry lodge]

it took me a while to figure out how it works because i came from rtx packs which absorption functions entirely different over there

in rtx absorption controls how much color is absorbed by the sky which can change sky colors and also make fog look hazy rather than foggy. Scattering controls the color there. With deferred, scattering... is basically just a thickness scale. and aborption is how it gets colored

absorption in deferred though could also make fog appear a bit thicker

primarily in the nether

[civic basin]

I noticed

I think that's what I need tho-?

[wintry lodge]

some absorption could help

at least with the fog being a grey

[civic basin]

Some slight modifications

[wintry lodge]

ooh alright

im realizing my packs fog is a lot like yours where teh sunrays are very situational

[civic basin]

I call it scene aware or something

[wintry lodge]

yeah

mine are way less prominent though

i mightve messed something up

oh what is this resolution

[civic basin]

My fogs look the same in those scenarios but you see the shafts better in cases like in this video

[wintry lodge]

i think i was really conservative on fog thickness

[civic basin]

Unfortunately we have no other way to allow for a clear view distance so we have to use thick fog

[wintry lodge]

after some minor adjustments

ill take it

might make my sun a little darker too

[civic basin]

My head hurts because of my fog but I guess after some time I'll get used to less shafts

I'll just have to accept the fact that terrain from far away won't be as clear with vol fog

[wintry lodge]

oof yeah

[civic basin]

Nothing we can do about that for now

[wintry lodge]

yea

rtx handles it much better

but it also has like dynamic adjustments built in and stuff

unless thats just some betterRTX magic

[civic basin]

Ehh, guess I can go nuts with light shafts for now :)

[wintry lodge]

ok yeah it does have dynamic thickness

[civic basin]

Something I'd like to see in Deferred

[wintry lodge]

definitely

more intense where the sun is and less intense where its not

what the

it just cuts off lmao

wait but its correct with deferred...

what

i really hope cave lighting could get this good though

and things like light shafts and such dont break and disappear

also good example of how rtx handles emissives

[civic basin]

Guess I'm happy with my fog for once

[wintry lodge]

thats good

[civic basin]

Bothers me a lil bit that there's no rays everywhere and view distance is messy but that's deferred for now

[wintry lodge]

yea

[wintry lodge]

deferred caves dont look terrible but the lack of proper natural lighting really hurts them

RTX of course has GI to carry it

now with proper deferred settings like point lights and fixed emissives. its still kinda rough looking

neutral preset

i guess the natural lighting from caves isnt terrible

but if the fog could persist.

[split plover]

What is addon name?

[split plover]

Light leack add in the new versions
I see them before this picture too

[split plover]

It's very better
Why fog couldn't persist?

[wintry lodge]

Nice. Looks good

[civic basin]

Heavily experimenting with my birch fog and I feel it's too much?

If people want insane fog a pack option is always available

[mellow inlet]

Obsidian with the Vanilla Resource Pack (+ BetterRTX)

[wintry lodge]

sky changes

night might get some more changes than it has right now

[civic basin]

So I like rain in deferred now :3 May tweak it more tomorrow but yea :D

[wintry lodge]

wish it would work for me

[civic basin]

The rain is kinda hard to see

[ripe island]

how is your weather for?🧐

[wintry lodge]

working on it

(not working)

[ripe island]

maybe "working" was the friends we made along the way meme

[civic basin]

Rainy Birch Forest

[knotty badge]

Change the rain particles

Like a bit gray and more translucent looks way better

[lone nest]

[knotty badge]

Way better

Love it

[left marten]

[wintry lodge]

improved the sculk sensor

jungle weather

may be a bit too strong

[wintry lodge]

this is perfect (did some recoloring too)

[wintry lodge]

heavily updated lava. made it look far more realistic

[rancid zodiac]

rtx?

[wintry lodge]

yeah

using it as a test

im gonna try to relicate this in deferred

dang ok

it definitely looks better in rtx but this still isnt bad

heres the old for reference

the lava within the more desaturated preset

made a custom mer for water now too

[wet slate]

add sss and point light for lava and profit

[wintry lodge]

Lag moment

I would add SSS but that broke in the latest update. The old method at least

Unless format version needs to be 1.21 now

[maiden grove]

Might be best if ya'll wait for it to come out officially

[wintry lodge]

Yeah that's the plan

I more meant that as I would if I could to see what it looked like

[ripe island]

[left marten]

[left marten]

Hable?

[ripe island]

yes

[left marten]

Amazing

[ripe island]

i always use hable

[left marten]

Deferred is looking real good now, major credits to all the work the pack creators are putting in

[left marten]

Hable on top fr 🗣️

[civic basin]

I don't have anything cool to show other than my fogs which I am happy about, but my PBR is just so bad it kinda demotivates me but here is something meh from a Marketplace map.

[lone nest]

I like it :D

[civic basin]

Some night stuff

[lone nest]

[wintry lodge]

Holy frog

Worked on some more textures. These might honestly be some of my best work. Super happy with them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191960243899474022/1244040357679730718/2024-05-25_17-31-24.mp4?ex=6653aa5e&is=665258de&hm=53830a444df6ab371d96717f583c8a6fc25e1f56028f725321e19bc40e7dac81&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191960243899474022/1244040378454376578/2024-05-25_17-30-28.mp4?ex=6653aa63&is=665258e3&hm=8a2f28dd1ce04cfda97b681a7e179eef8e8628c96db1e7e512f72d79f357aa02&

[civic basin]

Some random emissive stuff I did for one of my end biomes. I plan to add more emissive stuff to the other biomes, but here is my favorite biome.

I honestly wish we could make the end look pretty, but maybe in the future.

[wintry lodge]

Nice

[civic basin]

I guess. Just, the end overall makes it looks a little bad.

[wintry lodge]

Yeah. I'd also say the emissive values may be a little too high

But it does look neat

[civic basin]

they're between the 0-10 range :<

[wintry lodge]

Oh

Perhaps it's just the color of it then

Idk emissives in deferred aren't amazing anyway

[civic basin]

Yea the texture is white with a tint of light blue

[wintry lodge]

Oh yeah that won't blend well in deferred 😭

RTX maybe

My new crying obsidian hasn't been tuned for deferred yet. Looks ok

But then in RTX it looks fine and each pixel has defined depth

I'm not sure how this would be fixable though

[civic basin]

Maybe the problem could be that I use ACES

[wintry lodge]

High emissions look good because they have bloom, but you can't use high emissions because it messes with the texture depth and stuff

[wintry lodge]

Oh yeah that would do it

[civic basin]

Wasn't there a new version of ACES that fixes this? Not in deferred but in general? Can't remember what Veka said.

[wintry lodge]

There's ACES v2 but idk if it's any better in the emissive department

[civic basin]

Yea...

[wintry lodge]

I love aces colors but don't enjoy the emissives

I like the idea of emissive desaturation but it does it too much

[civic basin]

yea

[wintry lodge]

I'm wondering if this could be due to the lack of emissive desaturation by default.. RTX has around 0.03-0.09 I believe which could be why it just looks better. That and the strength is also probably lower due to having emissive GI

Decreasing emissive strength in deferred through the deferred render json actually improved them by a lot

That on top of adding some small amounts of emissive desaturation

I should probably type this in general

[civic basin]

Kinda happy with this biome for now

[wintry lodge]

Oh those look nice

[lost rock]

vol fog off

vol fog low

vol fog medium

vol fog high

vol fog ultra

screenshots taken with upscaling off

Deferred pack used: Poggy's Luminous Dream

[rancid zodiac]

so its like a resolution thing?

[left marten]

✨Samples✨

[maiden grove]

Custom shader with colored floodfill lighting

[wet slate]

the blue torch looks cool
second pic gives me an errie vibe ngl

ig the only thing missing in the pics are emissives

[maiden grove]

Volumetric lighting is also possible

[ripe island]

:0000

[wet slate]

yo this ish fire
would like the shape to a circle tho lol

I assume it has to do with point light shape

[maiden grove]

This one is with a more realistic falloff

[wet slate]

looking better

[maiden grove]

Nope there are no point lights here, with this technique every block can be a light source, with no difference in performance

I'd love to check out the nether, but sadly this shader relies on shadowmap for voxelization and shadows aren't rendered in the nether :(

[wet slate]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[cedar stream]

Why can’t I get light rays in low

[maiden grove]

And the best part is, performance is constant, regardless if you have 3 light sources or 3000, that could be a viable option for ambient lighting, instead of using vanilla lightmap

[wintry lodge]

This looks really good

I agree that this would be a nice option to lighting

[left marten]

Holy moly

[placid willow]

[left marten]

Hire this man already

[left marten]

Oh my

[wet slate]

this looking too good ngl

[maiden grove]

there is no bloom btw, it's all just volumetric and ambient lighting

[lone nest]

[maiden grove]

I can't stop taking screenshots, this is way too good

[lone nest]

Do you think it would be more viable to use colored flood fill lighting for Deferred than point lights?

Or a combination

[maiden grove]

Combination of both would be ideal, point lights give you crisp shadows and reflections but they only simulate a very small (point) light source and only direct light, while floodfill lpv approximates well large light sources, gives you ambient lighting, but the resulting lighting is not as sharp. Probably the main benefit of LPV is that performance is fixed, regardless of how many lights you have. So you could easily make every single block a light source and you won't notice any fps difference

[lone nest]

I see

Well I hope that gets added officially

But either way, nice work

[maiden grove]

Yeah same

If it doesn't get added I'll definitely release a shader using that technique

[lone nest]

Alright

[wintry lodge]

This really reminds me of rethinking voxels when it got its GI implementation

[maiden grove]

Ok this is the last one for today

[lone nest]

[maiden grove]

You know what, I can probably easily add the same kind of GI. But I'll leave that for another time

[wintry lodge]

If deferred could look like this I'll happily say bye to RTX cuz wow

[lone nest]

Definitely

[mellow inlet]

Out of curiosity, do reflections still work?

[maiden grove]

You could make them work, but I just didn't add them yet. There's ony diffuse and volumetric lighting currently and nothing else

[lost rock]

is it possible to recreate this on renderdragon

(Veka's Deferred lightning shader) 1.18.12

[lost rock]

like this

[maiden grove]

Lol, yeah, but why? Vanilla deferred pipeline already has both point lights and shadows and also many additional effects. Or is there something that's missing?

[lost rock]

idk

this gives more fps

[lost rock]

and Deferred looks like this

(will be improved for sure)

[lost rock]

well i was just curious

lol

[gaunt sorrel]

The only thing that looks a little different are the shadows

[cedar stream]

Probably the best deferred screenshot I have

[rancid zodiac]

wait really?

oh wait yeah i believe that

did you use camera commands for that

[cedar stream]

It’s an addon that uses camera commands

[rancid zodiac]

oh…

[cedar stream]

The mountains in the background is what makes it look so good

Imo

[mellow inlet]

What does the end look like?

[maiden grove]

No shadowmap in the end, it doesn't work there

Daily dose of shader screenshots

[cedar stream]

Do you think this could get added to deferred officially?

[maiden grove]

Anything is possible

[wintry lodge]

I'd love to see at the very least colored floodfil

LPV would be an added bonus though

With this reminds me a lot of what Euphoria patches is doing with complementary. They added in colored lighting and now are adding LPV and stuff. Looks really neat

Actually it looks very close to what you showed the other day

[maiden grove]

I wanna try using spherical harmonics in that LPV shader, it's a very promising (though old) technique, but with amazing results and performance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQ3BbuYVh8

There was also a recent paper on the subject of SH that reduces memory requirement by approximating quadratic SH with only 15 coefficients, instead of 27

[cedar stream]

Even custom clouds?

[maiden grove]

Sure, "anything" includes those as well.

[gaunt sorrel]

Do sun shadows still work?

[maiden grove]

Nah I disabled them, but I'm using only 1 shadow cascade so could easily enable back

[wintry lodge]

I'd be interested to see this mixed with point lighting

Unless it is being used with point lights

[knotty badge]

Colored Lights without RTX would be insane

[civic basin]

My attempt to make my foliage look better. I disabled heightmaps in these screenshots. I changed the texture of grass because some pixels appeared bright and it just looked ugly, so I just did some tweaks on the grass texture, along with dirt and stone. I also changed the colormap of foliage and I kinda like how it turned out! :D I may make more tweaks later on but this is what I got :3

[ripe island]

texture feels flat now and from a distance looks like a single color

[civic basin]

"I disabled heightmaps"

But you're right, it's too flat atm.

[ripe island]

"texture", not heightmap

[civic basin]

Idk why it's like that in the distance to be honest.

[civic basin]

Ahh, thought you meant it looked flat without heightmap.

Luckily I'm just experimenting to see what works.

[civic basin]

Tried some other stuff with tone mapping and I got this as a result. It's hard to see the change but it's a bit desaturated.

[wintry lodge]

I always like using just a lil desaturation

My old default was more than a little but still

[civic basin]

I like this one and might main it.

[wintry lodge]

Yeah it looks good

[cedar stream]

Nostalgia pbr

Volumetric fog is turned off cause it ruins the blue sky

[civic basin]

I like

[cedar stream]

I will have to fix this

[cedar stream]

Thank you

[wintry lodge]

Here's your fix. Set the volumetric fog to use height rather than uniformity

It'll allow your sky to come through while still having vol fog

[cedar stream]

Ok

I haven’t even messed with volumetric fog yet tbh

[maiden grove]

Managed to compile it for Android!
Tho it'd need some tweaking to improve performance

[lone nest]

Ooo

Great work :D

[maiden grove]

More Android shader screenshots

[lost rock]

can't wait to try it

[mellow inlet]

Do reflections work

[maiden grove]

Not yet

[mellow inlet]

[maiden grove]

Android screenshots

Forgot this one

[rancid zodiac]

looking moist and toasty

[split plover]

Why torch is green?

[wet slate]

Why isn't your name my name?
Simple. Customization

[maiden grove]

That was actually a bug that I later fixed, but I thought it looked cool enough to take a screenshot

[wet slate]

💀

[knotty badge]

Woah first one looks insane

[maiden grove]

Hermitcraft world

[lone nest]

[left marten]

[wet slate]

computer on

[left marten]

So real

[maiden grove]

160 fps on pc, 30 fps on mobile (tho at reduced resolution and quality)

[wet slate]

this is peak

[left marten]

30 fps on a adreno 640

[gaunt sorrel]

Why is it noisy?

[maiden grove]

Normally deferred runs at 10-15 fps on mobile at those settings

[left marten]

Will this shader ever be released?

[wet slate]

so flood fill has perf improvement compared to pointlight

[left marten]

Well yes

[maiden grove]

Reduced sample count and density on Android for performance and consistency reasons, but I'll probably increase it by a factor of 1.5 or 2

[left marten]

Thats kinda the whole point

Filling in large spaces with easy to compute light

[wet slate]

devs gotta add/combine this with point light

[left marten]

Fr

[wet slate]

far away you use flood fill
near you also use point light

[maiden grove]

Idk I don't have any plans to release and maintain it properly, but I'm thinking about just dropping material.bin files here, if anyone wants to try this demo

[left marten]

I'd love to

[wet slate]

yes pls

[left marten]

I have a 8 gen 2 device and a iOS device ready to test

[wet slate]

i have my eyes ready to feast

[maiden grove]

Oh I doubt it'd work on iOS right away, I don't have any device to test it on

Getting it running on Android was already a huge pain

[left marten]

I can be your Guinea pig

[gaunt sorrel]

Huh, I thought it would integrate with the existing volumetric system

[maiden grove]

That would be possible, but I didn't bother, especially since I'm already using volumetric buffers for floodfill

[lone nest]

I'd love to try it :O

[maiden grove]

Here ya go, compiled for android and windows. It only works in the overworld and only during night time, installing modified configs is also required for it to work. Volumetric fog is required to be turned on and it's better to turn off everything else. Shadow quality slider is responsible for rendering distance of lighting (voxelization volume): low - 2x1x2 chunks, medium - 4x2x4, high - 5x4x5, ultra - 8x8x8. Volumetric fog is responsible for memory usage, you could just turn it on to ultra but it's best to find the lowest setting that still renders everything in your voxelization range

[lone nest]

[lone nest]

neat

[lost rock]

so do i need to use any Deferred pack

Or just Deferred pack without pbr textures

[lost rock]

I'll try this

[lost rock]

didn't work

water

[maiden grove]

There is a specific config file for Android, copy contents of config files into android specific file

You can also instead modify platform_config to point to that file instead of default android file. Sorry if this seems confusing, I just figured it would be better to provide one file for both platforms instead of 2 identical files with different names

[lost rock]

What about the materials

[maiden grove]

They're fine

[lost rock]

ok

[maiden grove]

Here I renamed the configs correctly, for each platform. Might make it easier to install

[lone nest]

Yeah, I had to rename it to .pc

So it would work

[lost rock]

so what i did is added the material files in their place

And renamed the configuration to android

(shadow_configuration.android.json)

Same with vol fog

And added both to their folder

Signed the apk

And installed it

it still didn't work

idk

Maybe because idk

Nvm

[maiden grove]

So it doesn't work? Have you set the time to night, and enabled shadows and volumetric fog in settings. You also need a PBR pack that has blocks with emissive textures

[lost rock]

wait

I didn't use a pbr pack

Sorry for being stupid

[lost rock]

do prizma Deferred work

[maiden grove]

Yeah, that's what I used

[lost rock]

cool

[maiden grove]

Well I used rtx one but it should still work

[lost rock]

I used a Deferred pack without anything

Like just a manifest.json

nice

[lost rock]

fog: Ultra
shadow: ultra

everything else off and low

[lost rock]

Medium

Stable 60+ fps

Medium is good

(Recording makes fps drops)

I like the dark effects

[lost rock]

makes it looks cool

[vast sandal]

excuse me, may I showcase?

[maiden grove]

Sure. Just keep in mind that this is just a tech demo and not a proper shader, it has many issues that I probably won't fix as I don't intend to publish it "officially"

[vast sandal]

cool but only work with night time

[lone nest]

well thats when he said it would only work

[vast sandal]

Yeah

with realsource pack HD

[vast sandal]

what pack do you use?

[lone nest]

Vanilla PBR

https://mcpedl.com/vanilla-pbr/

[vast sandal]

Ok

[split plover]

Is it demo bug or mail gpu bug?

settings are ultra on all

[maiden grove]

Did you replace configs correctly?

[split plover]

I use it for configs and replace again and re install Minecraft but it's same the pictures too

I use 1.21.10.20

[maiden grove]

That's unfortunate. Does vanilla deferred work fine for you or do you also have issues with it?

[maiden grove]

Ah... that's a very strange bug, seems like renderchunk might be broken somehow. Do you get any issues in vanilla deferred, without shaders?

[split plover]

Yes
Deferred vanilla have some bug for
mail gpu for example shadow bug

[maiden grove]

Does volumetric fog work for you?

in vanilla

[split plover]

Yes but have bug Different density in several lines like shadow

I see this Velometric fog in old versions of Minecraft about 1.20.40 and i think this fixed by Mojang because i can't see this bug on 1.21.10.20

Does your demo shader for 1.21.10.20?
Different shader and Minecraft version can make this bug because Mojang is working on deferred and change material.bin codes.

[maiden grove]

I made it for latest preview 1.21.10.21

But it seems to be working for others on .20

[split plover]

I use 1.21.10.21 and this is demo with primiza deferred picture i don't have time sky and water texture Minecraft is dark and torch(point lights)not working

Torch doesn't have any light

and this is under water picture

[maiden grove]

Try prizma rtx

Or just rtx pack in general

Deferred packs are way dimmer. Also you should try placing full blocks like glowstone

This shader doesn't have point lights btw, blocks emit light based on emissive PBR texture

Also it only works during the night, so make sure to run /time set midnight

[cedar stream]

(Not my pbr pack btw it’s classic textures rtx pack)

[civic basin]

Believe it or not, but someone just reported the same problem in my discord.

[maiden grove]

Pigs are evolving into creepers again

[lone nest]

[ripe island]

shes slaying 💅

[cedar stream]

I think it’s your addon

Cause I’m using bob in this pic

[rancid zodiac]

man maybe its time to for me to get a gaming pc/laptop

definitely not just for minecraft but it makes the cake sweeter

like these are something but

idk deferred is still in development

i just wanna start actually playing minecraft again but i cant do it in vanilla anymore

[cursive geyser]

RTX?

[rancid zodiac]

ninja edit

[mellow inlet]

rtx rn. I plan to add deferred support in the future

[rancid zodiac]

give

[cursive geyser]

huh, I thought RTX didn't have blur?

[mellow inlet]

I'm using BetterRTX so that it looks crisp

[cursive geyser]

Ah, okay

[rancid zodiac]

barebones deferred PBR when

:doggysmurkW:

i would pay for it

[mellow inlet]

lol

[rancid zodiac]

to finally truly experience what the trailers show

[wintry lodge]

barebones with plagues' obsidian preset

[split plover]

Velometric point light but have some bug

Does this demo have velometric fog shadow?

[wintry lodge]

well this lpv stuff is pretty cool