Graphics General

[languid mirage]

So is RTX not broken on Preview?

[scarlet gust]

My honest reaction to these screenshots:
Screenshot 1: Absolute cinema
Screenshot 2: Not bad, but that torch MER is a bit bright
Screenshot 3: Good
Screenshot 4: Really good
Screenshot 5: Perfect
TLDR: this is looking much better than your previous config for Iridescence

You might want to fix that torch in screenshot 2 though

[white willow]

ok so... hue shifting is fine when its AgX doing it

got it

you make no sense

if youre gonna make a point, at least be consistent with it

[scarlet gust]

You might also want to enable anti-abney

And then it would be perfect

Probably should have taken a screenshot instead but honestly, default RTX has a pretty good tonemapper, although I'm not sure what that tonemapper is

Probably AgMax with anti-abney but honestly idk

[white willow]

its not

its not at all

its a simple color clamp

this is what that tonemapper does. it looks god awful.

default rtx tonemapping is terrible bro

[scarlet gust]

No it's not

[white willow]

bro i cant

[scarlet gust]

Anyway I'm going to take some screenshots with default RTX tonemapping

[white willow]

im not gonna entertain this anymore. youre very clearly rage baiting

[scarlet gust]

Default RTX may not be perfect, but Mojang did a really good job on tonemapping

[long ruin]

[white willow]

can you like

stop pinging me

for god sakes

[scarlet gust]

BETTERRTX WORKS NOW

Bro I missed BetterRTX so bad

Specifically DLSS 3.8

Why does the tonemapping look like this

Yeah I'm going to try a different preset

Default RTX had better tonemapping than this

[limpid sequoia]

[scarlet gust]

So Infectious surprisingly installed without instantly giving my PC a BSOD (surprising because usually Infectious never works) but anyway this is genuinely a good preset

Could use a bit of anti-abney but at least I can use DLSS 3.8 and RGB Sea Lanterns now

[limpid sequoia]

th

[scarlet gust]

@white willow thanks for fixing your Infectious preset btw. It honestly looks pretty good and I can finally actually use it just like every other preset

[white willow]

i asked you to stop pinging me

and second of all

i did nothing

i fixed nothing

your pc just decided it wanted to work

[long ruin]

literally how many times does bro have to ask you

[scarlet gust]

2 times

[long ruin]

[limpid sequoia]

don't be bother lol

[limpid sequoia]

[scarlet gust]

Mojank, please bring back the old baby mobs

[limpid sequoia]

[rancid seal]

Why should it?
There is a f bug they didn't fix since 1.21.62 tho.

[scarlet gust]

Idk why but for some strange reason my anarchy server's spawn point is right here

It's also high enough that you land on half a heart so uhhh I should fix that

Anyway who put the spawn point there? I won't ban them because of course this is an anarchy but just wondering.

Anyway this is what the Infectious preset looks like. Basically AgX but desaturated and without anti-abney.

@white willow you should try AgX Golden with your Iridescence preset and max out the anti-abney

Sorry for the ping

But yeah anyway Infectious is not bad

Someone nuked my anarchy server recently so that's why it looks even worse than usual

Anyway this is with CatRTX 1.12

[white willow]

idk what you mean with the anti abney cuz my implementation doesnt have that

and ive used golden. i dont like it

[scarlet gust]

You should try it though. AgX keeps the abney effect by default. The abney effect is when there's no hue shifting but there's still perceived hue shifting, and anti-abney shifts it in the other direction so there's counter-clockwise hue shifting but no perceived hue shifting, so a high luminance red for example with abney stays bright red but is perceived as bright orange, but with anti-abney becomes a bright pink-ish red that is perceived as red. Other tonemappers like ACES and Lottes have clockwise hue shifting, and that is worsened by the abney effect, so as a result, a high luminance blue for example shifts to bright magenta, which is then perceived as bright pink.

[languid mirage]

How about you do it.

It’s not hard to make a betterRTX preset

[scarlet gust]

This is what AgX with anti-abney looks like btw

[white willow]

i know what the abney effect is

im telling you the implementation i have doesnt have that

[scarlet gust]

Decent idea

[quick nymph]

Stop yapping about tonemappers

[scarlet gust]

I have officially made my very first preset. Now to try it.

[scarlet gust]

@white willow my preset is instantly crashing. What did I do wrong?

[white willow]

preset builder isnt compatible with 26.0 yet

[scarlet gust]

Here's my preset btw

[scarlet gust]

Did I at least do a good job making my first preset? #1182091012177399809 message

This genuinely took an entire 45 minutes to make so I hope it's good

[quick nymph]

45 minutes is nothing

[scarlet gust]

But is it good?

I worked really hard trying to perfect each setting

[quick nymph]

I haven't tested it

[scarlet gust]

And I hope I didn't mess up the config

[limpid sequoia]

Time in a day

[scarlet gust]

Hey @limpid sequoia fix my broken config

It's not working

[limpid sequoia]

for what?

[scarlet gust]

BetterRTX

I made a custom preset for BetterRTX

bedrock.graphics/creator

[limpid sequoia]

god!!!
@white willow could you give me a hand for this?

[limpid sequoia]

i have never made BetterRTX preset lmfao

[white willow]

i cant fix builder presets

[wise hinge]

tex

[rancid seal]

Should I try completely removing vv from the minecraft?

[limpid sequoia]

try with yourself

[rancid seal]

No

Me not want see vv in setting

[ornate hollow]

with 4000 series do new rt core gen reduce ghosting?

[willow needle]

Strawberry Deferred V4.0 Rewrite on jungle

[limpid sequoia]

I have a way!

Delete Minecraft and u wouldn't see it anymore

[limpid sequoia]

Pink pastel

[willow needle]

Pink cream 🗿

[limpid sequoia]

🗿 ahhh

[sonic canopy]

Imagine Mojang removes RTX from the game in retaliation

[blazing whale]

for ertiex 🗿

[limpid sequoia]

for rtex sadar too 🗿

[blazing whale]

no clickbait

[limpid sequoia]

no lag

[rancid seal]

WIP

[willow needle]

just a suggestion, the oak logs don't look like they came from a tree, try changing the pattern and color later

[rancid seal]

They look ok for me tho

But pattern may look cursed

[willow needle]

this texture create with Ai?

[blazing whale]

Support ram 1 gb

[limpid sequoia]

512mb ram 🗿

[wind pollen]

512 mb?
Can even a Samsung Phone from 2015 run this texture then?

[quick nymph]

I agree those are funky lookin

[rancid seal]

No.

[willow needle]

Ok

[rancid seal]

But I don't want my trees look like that tbh

I don't even know how to create a texture using AI 😭

[rancid seal]

WIP

I hope you like PBR

[limpid sequoia]

jkd

[white willow]

Nope

I've been trying to reduce ghosting of effects but all roads point back to ghosting as the best option 😔

Best I got was making noise on animated textures really stabls

Problem is that GI takes time to fade out/ghosts on dynamic shadows

Which is normal for RT in general but I don't see any way to make it better without completely starting RTX over from scratch

I've also made underwater more bloomy and blurry

[long ruin]

[ornate hollow]

😢

[primal girder]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-anti-gravity-lean-smooth-criminal-bad-annie-are-you-ok-gif-9143221095893245678

tree be like:

[tropic rampart]

particles aren't affected by static light right now, right?

[scarlet gust]

I was going to upgrade from an RTX 3080 to an RTX 4090 once I could afford it but now I'm reconsidering

I already get 135 FPS in 1080p Minecraft RTX so I'm fine for now

[scarlet gust]

Maybe use a better tonemapper

[long ruin]

[wise hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-stressed-sheldon-cooper-panicking-nervous-anxious-gif-16590451

[limpid sequoia]

i think u should invent new tonemapper with your preference lmfao

why do u always want to everything has to be please with you

[wise hinge]

very orange

[scarlet gust]

@white willow I just installed BetterRTX Infectious... WHY AM I BEING BLINDED

I looked at the sun and now everything is pure white

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IT'S SO BRIGHT

Why does Infectious have DIABOLICAL autoexposure

[white willow]

That's not auto exposure man

That would be whatever pack you're using having way too much fog for the preset

Use a pack with less fog

Auto exposure for whatever reason just ignores fog

[scarlet gust]

MY EYESSSSSS

[white willow]

yea thats a fog issue man

[scarlet gust]

CatRTX 1.12 + BetterRTX 1.4 Infectious

Did not happen with Interstellar

[white willow]

yea cuz interstellar overrides resource pack fog

if it didnt the exact same thing would happen

i have a pack that only changes fog that will work with infectious

do you want me to send that

im not really gonna be bothered with fixing issues with the preset anyway cuz i dont wanna work on it anymore

if you wanna use this fog pack. use it. if not. find another preset or use a different resource pack

and before you comment on the name. all it does is provide fog configs for the changes ive made in iridescence which are near identical to the changes i made in infectious, barring some slight implementation nuances.

it only changes fogs to be playable levels

and also again, this is the last time i ask before i get moderation involved. please stop pinging me here for this. if you have an issue please put it in the right spots

theres literally a channel in the rtx server for my stuff which includes issue reports.

infectious literally has a channel 😭

[limpid sequoia]

different monitor

my monitor with 100 sRGB

[white willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/820772863412797490/824077634081390612/image0.gif

we love monitor differences

its very orange on my screens too

[limpid sequoia]

i see

[wise hinge]

me when ips 💔

[blazing whale]

Unfortunately, OLED screens are still too expensive and the alternative is still Mini LED.

[wise hinge]

oof

[rancid seal]

RTX

Ur favourite

[wise hinge]

tex lover

[rancid seal]

XTR tfarceniM

Minecraft RTX

[tribal trail]

Live laugh love Oled

[sonic canopy]

Why do you still have the factory plastic sheet with all the marketing stickers on your display 😭

[tribal trail]

That picture I took when I got that display 😭

I just have my desk dirty so I won’t take new one right now

But I had that plastic sheet for two weeks when I got it

[languid mirage]

What is wrong with the Firefly bushes lol

[limpid sequoia]

heightmaps

but it looks wrong

[languid mirage]

Def not just heightmap.

The block itself is different.

Layered textures

[limpid sequoia]

[languid mirage]

Super friggen weird.

Is that really just from adding heightmap?

Odd that it breaks the block like that

[limpid sequoia]

i mean the texture of it looks weird LMFAO

i'm not remind heightmap

[sonic canopy]

It's a feature called blockshapes, you can change the geos of some vanilla blocks to geos of other vanilla blocks using it. Here, for example, the firefly bush is using fire geometry

Vines on the screenshot are also using a different blockshape. And so do the leaves

[rancid seal]

Everything is ok with them

[limpid sequoia]

thanks for ur info

[languid mirage]

that's really cool

-6164242300824111422

if anyone wants to check it out.
super cool spawn location.

[rancid seal]

Damn, gradient

I feel like I live in the cave and trying to connect to the internet lol

[rancid seal]

Custom blockshape

Cuz i don't like this cross model

[rancid seal]

Aww

Sun light goes trough the hall

[languid mirage]

I love that you can see the sky from the ancient city.

Looks awesome with the sun rays from RTX

[white willow]

since when can lightning be emissive

weird they arent doing it now

that seemed like a one off bug

idk what causes this lol. it sometimes works sometimes doesnt

[rancid seal]

New preview, 0 rtx changes

What the

@white willow , by the way. Do you remember - did Mojang include (50%) RTX point light fix to 1.21.130 changelog? Sowy for this kind of question, just don't know a person who can answer this question

[white willow]

uhhhh i think it was mentioned yes

[rancid seal]

Ye, they did, i see

[rancid seal]

They didn't fully fix that unfortunately.

[scarlet gust]

Kinda glad that they fixed point lights, although my anarchy server is already lit by RGB sea lanterns and glowing terracotta so I don't really need them

Anyway in Minecraft RTX, I accidentally started a forest fire that went for a ~1000 block radius with a diameter of ~2000 blocks.

No more trees I guess

Anyway my anarchy server runs 24/7 now

[rancid seal]

Unfortunately, 50% of point lights are still broken

[scarlet gust]

I was going to send a screenshot with CatRTX but Discord just crashed again

So I tried again and it crashed

Discord's memory leaks are diabolical

[rancid seal]

Bro, is that a new scheme of advertising

[scarlet gust]

As long as redstone torch point lights work, it's fine

[rancid seal]

Redstone torches looks like a mess rn

[scarlet gust]

I guess you'll have to join to see the result of the forest fire on my anarchy server

And also the rest of my anarchy server because the memory leaks keep crashing Discord when I try to send screenshots

Anyway, CatRTX looks pretty good

Still waiting for the BetterRTX Preset Builder to work

[rancid seal]

Bro stop using this scheme of advertising pls

[scarlet gust]

Apparently 16GB RAM is enough for a 24/7 anarchy server but not enough for Discord

[scarlet gust]

Yeah ok I'll stop

[iron moon]

Cat gimme nitro

[scarlet gust]

I don't have Nitro

[iron moon]

Ik u broke

[long ruin]

off topic again

ty

[graceful iron]

[languid mirage]

Did they FINALLY address this?

I complained about lighting not being emissive while charged creepers Were, a long time ago lol.

[white willow]

No it looks like a bug/unintentional

It happens if you rapidly spawn lightning from a command block

But sometimes it doesn't light up

Sometimes it does

[echo whale]

is there a resource pack anywhere that does a full example demonstration of entity PBR with all the files for MERS metalness roughness etc, trying to integrate stuff artist gave me and i need a working example to start with

[silent zealot]

The vanilla files.

[astral hatch]

Vanilla Packs

Downloadable from: https://github.com/Mojang/bedrock-samples/releases

bedrock.dev archive: https://bedrock.dev/packs
GitHub (RP & BP) : https://github.com/bedrock-dot-dev/packs

Example particles: https://aka.ms/MCParticlesPack

Java Edition's Vanilla Packs: https://mcasset.cloud/

Feb 17, 2026, 12:02 AM

[echo whale]

oh weird i couldnt see them in it

mkay i see the texture_set files, my first search was hunting for other bits, tyty

[willow needle]

Ruby block 2048x

[scarlet gust]

You might want to work on the sky and the tonemapping

[limpid sequoia]

Don't need

[rancid seal]

No.

1. Its expensive.
2. I'm in Russia

[scarlet gust]

I think kashmir was asking for me to gift Nitro

But yeah it's expensive and I don't have Nitro

[rancid seal]

Uhh, but me is that cat too!

[scarlet gust]

There's also a few other cats that kashmir may have been referring to

[scarlet gust]

@graceful iron @wise hinge Kashmir wants Nitro

[graceful iron]

don’t ping me for this bro

[scarlet gust]

Yeah I think I'll stop with the pings

Tonemapping

Yeah knee 0 looks much better

Why am I getting 2 seconds per frame on my iPhone 17 in Discord

Guys it's lagging really bad

Discord, please optimize your app

Anyway yeah knee 0 is really good

BetterRTX's implementation of AgX needs anti-abney

Discord just crashed

Discord crashed again

Discord crashed yet again

Bro what is wrong with my installation of Discord on my iPhone 17

Discord crashed for the 4th time

I thought 12GB RAM would be enough for Discord but apparently not

My PC has 16GB of RAM and the same issue but it doesn't constantly crash like this. Only sometimes

CatRTX 1.12 + BetterRTX 1.4 Infectious at idk what time

This was before I set that forest fire that went for a 1000+ block radius

[scarlet gust]

Don't worry everything's fine except all trees are gone with a 2000+ block diameter of area and for some strange reason now my anarchy server's spawn point is on a partially loaded shipwreck that's 200 blocks in the air with a giant pool of lava underneath but the last thing I mentioned is unrelated and probably because someone on my anarchy server set the spawn point there

[scarlet gust]

I should probably enforce some rules on my anarchy server though because it's a disaster and stuff is constantly being destroyed

Although it's an anarchy so maybe not

[long ruin]

Yeah... that's what I was gonna say

[wise hinge]

da fog

[rancid seal]

Lol

[rancid seal]

Im currently developing a resource pack that uses official trailer textures brw.

[limpid sequoia]

[rancid seal]

Some blocks textures are actually replaced with vanilla ones for some reason

In atlas

[limpid sequoia]

If i have free time

[rancid seal]

So I have to recreate some of them

[limpid sequoia]

i wouldn't make them because i have something is important than

[quick nymph]

Bro when is this person gonna have a message limit? They keep spamming about off topic stuff like that ⬆️ then continue to talk about tonemappers

[rancid seal]

He describes every action happening to them

[quick nymph]

Exactly not many of them are graphics related either

[blazing whale]

🗿

[limpid sequoia]

[blazing whale]

looks like catgamer wants to make a new tonemap 🗿

[limpid sequoia]

ForRealium!

🗿

[limpid sequoia]

[wise hinge]

!

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/another-step-towards-vibrant-visuals-for-java-edition

w vulkan

[quick nymph]

Is it official then?

Minecraft will be moving to vulkan? The ultimate performance update?

[silent zealot]

For Java yes.

[quick nymph]

Woohoo!

[wise hinge]

[quick nymph]

Time to bug IMS about aperture release
-# just kidding, that'd be very annoying

[sonic canopy]

Meanwhile, shaders on bedrock:

https://tenor.com/view/nowhere-desert-highway-gif-13971394

[wise hinge]

[quick nymph]

so real

[rancid seal]

Because of RTX and VV, custom shaders aren't really common for bedrock now

[sonic canopy]

I think the main reason why they aren't common is because they are a pain to make so nobody bothers

[rancid seal]

Im not sure about that. Reason I've mentioned also has a point: RTX and VV - two graphics modes that can be customized as well, so no reason of making custom shaders.

[sonic canopy]

They are not nearly as customizable as proper shaders. Especially RTX

Just look at the visual variety of java shaders, bedrock can't replicate that without shader support

[primal girder]

[quasi trench]

no way that has to be ☕️

[white willow]

nah the extreme lack of anti aliasing makes it very clear its vv

[languid mirage]

Java shaders are genuinely perfect.

When will Mojang just give material.bin loading capabilities

[rancid seal]

Fr

[silk badge]

How do heightmaps work with 2d planes?

[willow needle]

Sunflower

[fading kindle]

RTX Overhaul when

[scarlet gust]

Back in 2023

BetterRTX

And yeah it still works and is far better than VV

[limpid sequoia]

Volumetric Fog at High

[blazing whale]

VV overhaul when

[limpid sequoia]

[fading kindle]

still not enough

particles, bug fix, render distance

everything

[scarlet gust]

Already did that with a huge tonemapping overhaul for VV, but I'm not releasing it to the public yet

[limpid sequoia]

[blazing whale]

🗿

[wind pollen]

Selfish

[limpid sequoia]

[scarlet gust]

Yeah I'll try to release it to the public by Saturday

[rancid seal]

Even default rtx keeps being the best graphics mode imo.

[rancid seal]

Very soon... I hope

[white willow]

cool weather desaturation effect

[scarlet gust]

BetterRTX does everything better than default RTX except for the tonemapping. Default RTX's tonemapper is unbeatable and I hope the BetterRTX devs will find a way to implement default RTX's beautiful tonemapper that I'm assuming is AgMax with a DRC of 0.5, a Knee of 0, and Anti-Abney at 0.5, although that's just a guess.

[rancid seal]

Default rtx is still better than vv tho

[white willow]

its not this mythical AgMax you preach about also default betterRTX literally uses default rtx tonemapping. default rtx doesnt use agmax stop saying it does because youre wrong

what default rtx uses is barely a tonemap at all

idk how many times i have to explain this

its litearlly just a luminance curve. thats it

its nothing special

not even remotely close to any agx variant

[scarlet gust]

True

[blazing whale]

🗿

[limpid sequoia]

🗿

[limpid sequoia]

cute

[tropic rampart]

I wish we could disable the global light effects and shadows in VV

like, sure, that is the biggest/most noticable thing VV does, but like, sometimes i still like to play with just regular lighting (plus like, it'd allow consistent lighting quality instead of global light being super high quality while everything else isn't), but i still like all the other improvements VV makes (fog, colour grading, emissive textures, coloured static light, maybe even reflections)

[sonic canopy]

The closest thing you can do, short of shader modding, is setting sun and moon colors to 0

[tropic rampart]

wlel yeah but i feel like thatd look silly 3:

[sonic canopy]

It will look basically exactly the way you want tho. No sunlight, but other effects are present. You might have to change the color of sky light as well as boost it tho, as the entire world will basically be in shadow

[tropic rampart]

hm. mayb then

[scarlet gust]

Why does hue shifting genuinely not look bad when desaturated

Like that actually makes the lava look good because although it looks terrible when the lava shifts from orange to yellow, desaturation makes that yellow color a golden yellow color that actually makes up for the hue shifting

You should consider making your preset always desaturated

[wise hinge]

ok

[sonic canopy]

Tbf they did at least try something interesting and unique. The luminance curve is dynamic, based on the current luminane of the scene. And it also applies additional color transform after luminance curve. It is a certainly dated and not the greatest approach today, but they did try doing something unique which is cool imo

[limpid sequoia]

just make your own preset

you don't like other presets that's your perspective so don't force anybody to make what you want

Nothing is perfect at all

[white willow]

Fair. While skimming it, it is definitely more in depth than I initially thought. I will give credit where credit is due.

[rancid seal]

I thought it was better RTX for a sec

[tropic rampart]

trying to do that, the editor hates me, weh :(

wlel then

i think i overdid something

[sonic canopy]

don't set luminance to 0, just the colors

[tropic rampart]

ah

that would explain it !

ok i need to get vanilla luminance values then

because my editor now just defaults to the settings i input in everything once

and refuses to let me reset them

[tropic rampart]

ok wlel the sun is gone but besides that it works

is there a way for the sun to not be gone

[sonic canopy]

Try setting color to very small value

It'll make the shadows appear again, but you can reduce their effect by using max sky intensity

[tropic rampart]

aw

okay so its not fully possible to go "i want no shadows and no fancy lighting effects >:("

unless i also go "no sun"

[sonic canopy]

Not completely, no. You could try doing things like rendering fake sun with particles tho

[tropic rampart]

yeah
but this means my request "we should be able to disable the fancy global light effects" stands because it does not have a current solution with just VV resource packs :3

[tribal trail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-okay-coping

[languid mirage]

Shhh… Your GPU doesn’t want you to enjoy RTX.

That doesn’t make VV better lol.

[graceful iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1023002602838970468/1249071244880515252/goofyahhcat.gif

[scarlet gust]

The default RTX tonemapper genuinely looks amazing. If it wasn't for the outdated DLSS version and issues with RGB sea lanterns, I would genuinely use it instead of BetterRTX. Mojang, if you're seeing this, update your DLSS model to DLSS Transformer and fix RGB sea lanterns. That's all it would take for me to completely ditch BetterRTX and use default RTX.

[wise hinge]

ok

[scarlet gust]

BetterRTX fixes the performance issues with the RTX 50 Series and causes performance issues with the RTX 20 Series. The RTX 30 and 40 Series perform the same regardless of if you're using default RTX or BetterRTX, so with those GPUs it's a personal preference for which one you use. If you like the look of default RTX, keep using default RTX. If you want RGB sea lanterns and newer DLSS, get BetterRTX. There's currently no middle ground since the BetterRTX Preset Creator is currently broken, so you can't customize each setting to be like default RTX but then change how it handles animations or water caustics for example.

I think Al3xis has an RTX 5090, so BetterRTX should fix the performance issues.

[quasi trench]

so much rtx glazing

[long ruin]

[quasi trench]

only betterrtx is worthy

[languid mirage]

Did I ask you?

dont @ me.

[scarlet gust]

I didn't @ you. I replied to your comment.

[long ruin]

[long ruin]

It automatically has it enabled

Like what I just did

Just click the "@ ON" on the right side when you're replying

[languid mirage]

hate the fact that mentions and replys are basically the same

I dont need notif anytime someone responds to anything I say.

pure beauty

Ive noticed -- BetterRTX seems to have worse light leaks than Vanilla RTX.

[wind pollen]

The water

[languid mirage]

hold up, did I just delete a friend req from you?

... Don't be weird ...

Bunch 'o Weirdos out here...

[wind pollen]

You need a therapy

[languid mirage]

you callin me a liar? 🤔

[wind pollen]

No, the water in your screenshot doesn't look good

[white willow]

subtle fog peeking through the door

[wise hinge]

very sexy

[scarlet gust]

Yeah there's a lot of issues with BetterRTX. If default RTX had support for RGB sea lanterns and the latest DLSS versions then I would completely stop using BetterRTX. The old DLSS version issue can be fixed with a DLSS tweaker, but no RGB sea lanterns is the main dealbreaker with default RTX.

[graceful iron]

There is no reason RGB sea lanterns shouldn’t work with normal RTX

[wind pollen]

Tbh BetterRTX is basically pushing custom shader injection beyond what vanilla RTX exposes. The RGB sea lantern thing is probably because default RTX sticks closer to Mojang’s PBR/emissive rules, while BetterRTX overrides the light color pipeline.”

[scarlet gust]

RGB sea lanterns with default RTX are just red instead of RGB

[white willow]

ok im testing this

cuz that literally makes no sense

[graceful iron]

Ah maybe it’s not accounting for the actual frame of the animation but I’ve never even heard of an issue like that before

[scarlet gust]

The flipbook texture only works when you get close to the RGB sea lanterns

[white willow]

ok yea no hes right for once

[graceful iron]

that’s how it normally works

[white willow]

for whatever reason the gi doesnt update with the colors

[wind pollen]

That sounds like a distance-based material fallback. When you're far away it might be switching to a lower LOD texture without the flipbook animation.

[graceful iron]

interesting

[graceful iron]

Yeah flipbooks are affected by LOD stuffs

[white willow]

this is actually a very very strange bug

yk i might have a fix for this actually

betterRTX turns off mipmaps

[graceful iron]

ooooooohhhhh

[white willow]

im wondering if this is a mipmapping thing

[graceful iron]

No way it’s a mipmap issue

[wind pollen]

As i thought

[white willow]

im gonna test it

[graceful iron]

I thought I turned mine off

OOOHHHHH

[white willow]

mip mapping is enabled for the sea lantern pack specifically

[graceful iron]

I didn’t turn it off for specifically that pack yeah

that’s exactly what the issue is

Because I have animated flipbook stuffs in my base pack that work just fine at a distance

[white willow]

i turned it off. im gonna reimport and see if it works

yep it works now

mip mapping moment

[graceful iron]

That’s a weird one

ugh that should prob become a bug report huh

[graceful iron]

Awesome

[white willow]

i never realized how YELLOW vanilla rtx sunlight is

like its literally near pee color

[graceful iron]

Could be the tonemapper ngl

Or a mix of both lighting and tonemapper

[white willow]

probably

lemme check the LUT

[wind pollen]

It might be tone mapping + white balance. RTX tries to simulate real-world scattering, so the sunlight ends up warmer than vanilla lighting.

[languid mirage]

how do you get RGB sea lantern?

[white willow]

its one of dr cats packs

i can send the default rtx fixed one here if hes fine with that

[graceful iron]

It’s a joke pack I made for like April fools 2 years ago

actually 2 years is kinda crazy wtf

[languid mirage]

ahhh, I see. pretty cool

also, You got any idea why I seem to get worse light leaks w Brtx?

[white willow]

couldnt tell you tbh

brtx supposedly fixed that lol

[languid mirage]

like this

[white willow]

oh thats not light leaks

thats just a general bug with minecraft rendering and culling rules

[white willow]

dang it really is pee colored

[languid mirage]

but it happens WAY less with normal RTX.

it can be really bad with low render - but I play with 24

[white willow]

afaik its a mix of mc culling rules and just a general downside of the light leak fix

[languid mirage]

kinda sucks. ruins caves sometimes bc ambient light significantly increases

[white willow]

i remember madlad gave a reason as to why it happened but that talk was awhile ago

i dont remember the exact reason

default rtx is just so... green

like these colors are just bad

its not even green cuz of gi

the ambient skylight is just really green

the colors are just so awkwardly bad

and the mid tonemapping doesnt help

[languid mirage]

ew

[white willow]

wtf do you mean the tonemapper is blowing out these colors bruh

sometimes i really question what catgamer is on with this tonemap being "good"

but who am i to judge tastes

[languid mirage]

really weird personal pref.

[white willow]

there are some things default rtx does nicely

performance is solid and general playability is great

[languid mirage]

more so than vv

[white willow]

ok update the bright lights is just the rgb lanterns having crazy emissions

but the tonemap still isnt amazing

its nice in the fact that all colors stay true to their form, but its weirdly saturated. its both over saturated and under saturated

arguably better than generic for vv cuz its at least not washed out but

[languid mirage]

Worst tonemapper in a shader?
BSLs Tonemapper

[tribal trail]

Not sure if I agree

[white willow]

correction, skylight is just white

[languid mirage]

you can't speak on those things

[white willow]

are you not agreeing because nvidia broke 50 series cards orrrrr

[tribal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/fell-gif-11242683397767497522

[white willow]

i hate how bad the tonemap just butchers bright colors

it just stupidly saturates them

id rather them clip towards white tbh

[languid mirage]

ehhh

that specific scene would be sooo white washed

[white willow]

eh not really

one sec

[white willow]

the clipping towards white just feels more natural to a camera lens idk

but even then our eyes do that anyway

[scarlet gust]

It honestly looks like something in between the BetterRTX 1.4 tonemapper and the BetterRTX Solace tonemapper
Almost a perfect middle ground between them

[white willow]

betterRTX 1.4 uses the default tonemap

it doesnt use anything special

i gotta retake that. i realize have some post exposure applied

ok retake without the post exposure.

[languid mirage]

hmm I wonder if Bedrock VV is playable since I got my RAM fixed and mostly solved my CPU temps..

[white willow]

unreal 4 filmic tonemap

i do actually really like this one. its just a pain to edit cuz its meant to be used in real time

[wind pollen]

@white willow did you find a solution for the ghosting thing yet?

[white willow]

nope theres really nothing we can do about it

not without a big rewrite

[scarlet gust]

Rather have this than sky and emissive autoexposure because honestly my main complaints with BetterRTX Interstellar and Infectious are that Interstellar makes the sky and everything else become extremely dark or sometimes pitch black when I look at something emissive like the sun, and Infectious does the opposite with random flashbangs where when I look at something bright it exponentially increases exposure instead of decreasing

[scarlet gust]

I don't know which picture is which but picture 2 is better imo

[white willow]

unreal filmic, default, reinhard, agx

[white willow]

that... just literally isnt true lmao. i explained why infectious can be bright and thats literally only because fog doesnt obey the laws of auto exposure

[languid mirage]

bro I only get MAX 60 fps with VV wtaf is going on 😭

[white willow]

do you have vsync on

because vsync in mc is garbo

and should be disabled

[languid mirage]

no option for Vsync in VV

[scarlet gust]

I like picture 2 the most and I genuinely want to know what tonemapper that is. Pictures 4 also looks good but not quite as good.

[white willow]

but also just that infectious is actually just terrible. the auto exposure values arent strong enough, my agx is badly configured

[white willow]

you do it in the options.txt

[white willow]

i literally said its default.

[languid mirage]

wheres that at

[white willow]

%appdata%/minecraftbedrock/users/numbers/games/com.mojang

youd look for gfx_vsync and set it to 0

[scarlet gust]

Can I please have RGB sea lanterns with that fixed config?

[white willow]

and default is no special tonemap. its literally just some custom thing the devs mad

[languid mirage]

%appdata%/minecraftbedrock/users/numbers/games/com.mojang

one more path - /minecraftpe

So thats probably why BetterRTX doesn't find it when i hit update options.txt

should I move it out of the minecraftpe folder

?

[white willow]

what was i doing bruh, why is infectious both stupidly over saturated and overly high contrast

[white willow]

no. i just forgot that

its been a while

[languid mirage]

kk

[white willow]

this agressive contrast is why everything is so bright and overblown

tbh i do NOT care to fix it either

oh i dont even have the settings file for it anymore anyway

rip

nvm found it

[languid mirage]

ok W mans. I'm getting 80FPS at 28 chunks with VV now.

actually playable

[scarlet gust]

Thank you so much for the fixed version of Cat RTX Gaming RGB Sea Lanterns

Anyway, I've decided that I'm going to keep using BetterRTX 1.4 since apparently the default tonemapper is supported but I will genuinely use this fixed version on my anarchy server so people using default RTX can also experience the RGB sea lanterns without going through the hassle of installing BetterRTX with IObitUnlocker, risking a potential BSOD, and hoping the latest version of Minecraft is supported

Once again, thank you for RGB sea lanterns

[scarlet gust]

And don't forget that your config for Infectious is so bad that it can BSOD your PC

[white willow]

that is literally nothing to do with config

ive never bsod once with it. and neither has anyone else but you

so

idk

[scarlet gust]

Then what does it have to do with? I noticed that your preset now actually installs with no issues as of update 26.0, but before that, it would always BSOD when I tried to install it and it never worked

[white willow]

your laptop having a skill issue?

idk

or there was just an issue installer side

which is also super likely

idk im not in charge of the installer and literally dont work on the preset anymore

[scarlet gust]

Yeah I checked BetterRTX announcements and it probably was an installer-side issue
Tamale fixed every broken BetterRTX pack so they would install properly and fully function and ever since that announcement, Infectious actually installs now and hasn't caused a BSOD since then

At least that's my assumption

Wasn't worth it though

I'm considering either switching to default RTX or using the baseline BetterRTX 1.4

[languid mirage]

squid 🦑

[languid mirage]

Shapes 🔲

[limpid sequoia]

i hope i can get the water texture

[sonic canopy]

This could very well be the case btw. There was some functionality that got added after betterrtx was made, that marks visible objects during rendering, I assume that it is being used to prioritize culling and since BetterRTX is not using it, it could have a different culling behavior from vanilla mcrtx

[languid mirage]

I just hope an absolute reason is found and it is fixed. honestly the only thing I prefer on normal RTX is that caves dont get weird spots that dont render, causing light leaks.

I notice the way rendering caves etc is very different. ex. Normal RTX - you cannot see inside of caves, the same as Fancy graphics or VV. (when in spectator mode and underground)

BetterRTX changes that.

maybe thats also related 🤷‍♂️

[willow needle]

Strawberry Deferred V4.0 Rewrite on savanna

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

literally, vanilla rtx is so bad

[limpid sequoia]

Golden hour

[tribal trail]

and while betterrtx is better, at least for me bugs and lack of entity/item pbr and sss makes it unplayable for me

[quick nymph]

Does rtrex not have entity pbr?

[quasi trench]

nopers supposedly

though hm i used RTX Reactor and i did get heightmaps on entities when i used it with vv

maybe it’s vestigial

or what i just remembered is that it has some sort of vv mode with it so it might come from that

[rancid seal]

I love those clouds so much

Bruh.

[limpid sequoia]

[pale urchin]

Great for cinematics, terrible for gameplay 👍

[limpid sequoia]

[humble drift]

Holy yappers

[quick nymph]

Not enough fog

[limpid sequoia]

a u serious

[quick nymph]

Yeah

More fog

Density == 2

[limpid sequoia]

but max = 1 🗿

[white willow]

Entities were never properly added to the PBR parameters so yea

SSS is very much doable. Could do an approximate guess for it. I'm not sure how, I know Veka did something that sort of worked like SSS

[scarlet gust]

Needs more fog
"max_density": 4

[rancid seal]

Glow squids in rtx but they glow

[limpid sequoia]

[white willow]

whats the scattering

set that to 1.0 as well for maximum fog fr fr

[scarlet gust]

I'd recommend a density of 4

[limpid sequoia]

"scattering": [0.36, 0.46, 0.76]

[white willow]

pixelated mc

(not actually, im just using bilinear upscaling with a REALLY low render res)

it has a cool vibe

dont do this with the TAAU though...

[languid mirage]

TAAU is HORRIBLE.

I thought you were exaggerating before. But I only played Series X - and its not quite as terrible (still bad)..

but I tried it on my PC... and OMG. even 75 res of 1440p was unplayable

[white willow]

Yea it is that blurry

It's a shame cuz it used to be so much sharper

I do hope they revisit it

[languid mirage]

why is it always RTX maps with broken emissives lmao

[wise hinge]

[limpid sequoia]

?

[rancid seal]

I made iron golems reflective in RTX

[blazing whale]

@limpid sequoia look like use roughness

[limpid sequoia]

for real!

[quick nymph]

I thought there was no entity pbr in rtx?

[rancid seal]

Yes, there is no entity pbr in RTX. But who said we can't find another solution of this problem?

[quick nymph]

It just looks sorta like roughness

[sonic canopy]

Looks like refraction to me

[rancid seal]

Yes, it is! Since there is no entity pbr in RTX, we can use refracions. I've been working with the model and the texture, and I got this result

[sonic canopy]

That's very cool, finding creative ways to implement these features. I think there is genuine potential here to make some kind of entity PBR system. Emissive entities are also very impressive, I'm not even sure how you did that

[quick nymph]

That's awesome

[rancid seal]

Cause I am working with default RTX (resource pack), there aren't a lot of ways of doing entity PBR without changing ray-tracing code. We have some kind of emission in default RTX, but entities aren't really glowing - they have this cool effect. Reflections can be done with refractions, but they aren't going to be realistic - they are just going to be cool.
I am pretty sure there are a lot of creative ways to do things that we think are hard to do. And there are people who will discover those things.

[rancid seal]

For doing emissive entities, you can use "crarged_creeper" material.
You also have to include:

"light_color_multiplier": number

to the render controller. However, they aren't emissive - they only have a glowing effect as I said before.

[sonic canopy]

Oh that's neat. Have you tried making a custom material based on it and removing blending btw? "rtx_emissive:charged_creeper": {"-states": ["Blending"]}. This might enable it to emit light to the surrounding objects, as I'm guessing the reason it's not doing this rn is because it's a transparent material. Also, how does light color multiplier affect emission in RTX?

[rancid seal]

Charged creeper material just glows in the dark. However, I can see that glowing parts disappear when entity is in water. I think if you use charged_creeper material, it makes group or entity no longer be ray-traced. They don't drop shadow or something like this.

Entity and reflection

[sonic canopy]

I thought so as well (that it's not ray traced), but the fact that it affects bloom is very suspicious, as normally non-ray traced objects don't do that

[rancid seal]

Bloom only works if you include

"light_color_multiplier": 100.0

to the render_controller btw.

Actually lemme test one imteresting thing

[sonic canopy]

Interesting. I'll need to check how exactly it's able to glow

Also, if you want to experiment with other ways to make something glow in rtx, you can do that with enchanted glint material. Another potential way to do that is by using .hdr textures as they allow to use colors that are basically brighter than white (color values larger than 1.0) so objects using such textures will reflect more light than hits them, which might be used for some interesting glowing effects

[rancid seal]

I think enchanted glint material is also not the case. It doens't emit any light. I think I'll keep working with charged creeper material, just because I use it for the longer time.

[rancid seal]

Oh, do you know charged_creeper material setting by the way?

[sonic canopy]

Wdym by material setting?

[rancid seal]

For example

{
"materials": {
"version": "1.0.0",
"lp:entity_glow": {
"+defines": [ "USE_UV_ANIM", "ALPHA_TEST" ],
"+states": [ "Blending", "DisableCulling" ],
"blendSrc": "One",
"blendDst": "One",
"+samplerStates": [
{
"samplerIndex": 0,
"textureWrap": "Repeat"
}
]
}
}
}

[sonic canopy]

I do know how materials work in general, and if you want to know how vanilla materials look like such as charged_creeper, you can find that in the internal vanilla resource pack

[rancid seal]

I don't think I really know about materials a lot

[sonic canopy]

"C:\XboxGames\Minecraft for Windows\Content\data\resource_packs\vanilla\materials\entity.material" is where you can find charged_creeper and all other vanilla materials

[sonic canopy]

It's a complex topic, but there is documentation for it on the wiki. However, in RTX materials are very limited and you can't use most material properties, so you are not really missing much

Btw, I looked into why charged creepers can glow. Turns out they are neither ray traced nor rasterized. Well, they are rasterized, just differently. Most rasterized objects such as particles are all rendered into a single texture before any ray tracing, which is then shown on screen at the very end, after ray tracing bloom and tonemapping. But charged creepers are different - they are rendered after ray tracing, but before bloom. They are overlayed on top of the HDR result of ray tracing, which is how they are able to be affected by bloom while most other rasterized objects can't.

[sonic canopy]

It does emit light, it's just veeeery subtle

Basically unnoticeable. if you use fully white texture it might be more noticeable tho

Using ".hdr" texture

Using hdr texture with max brightness

[pale urchin]

How is the creeper light affecting its environment?

Are you using the enchanted glint material there?

[sonic canopy]

No, I'm only using .hdr texture. HDR textures are supported everywhere in bedrock, and they can have color values greater than 1.0. When such a texture is used as albedo texture, it causes more light to reflect than initially hit the surface. So it's not technically emissive, it just reflects more light than physically possible

[quasi trench]

using bilinear with 4k has been good to me

[sonic canopy]

This is a combination of hdr texture and enchanted material. I thought enchanted material would cause it to emit light, and it kinda does, but it only affects bloom and doesn't emit any light in the dark sadly. It does still glow when other light sources are present tho such as moon or sun light

There might be a way to make actual emission working, but I'm not gonna look into it any further today

[limpid sequoia]

[rancid seal]

I've never used .hdr textures btw

[tribal trail]

It’s still blurry for me

[gloomy abyss]

Oh my Buddha

[scarlet gust]

What the heck is .hdr

My monitor supports HDR by the way but when I enable it everything looks washed out

[humble drift]

😭

[sonic canopy]

It's a file extension for images. This capability was first introduced to bedrock for making main menu HDR VV cubemap, but hdr textures can also be used everywhere else (please mojang don't "fix" that!!). Here's an example of .hdr texture being used in vanila RP https://github.com/Mojang/bedrock-samples/blob/main/resource_pack/textures/ui/panoramahdr_0.hdr

[limpid sequoia]

how to use this?

[limpid sequoia]

Bee

[wise hinge]

A bee Sea

[limpid sequoia]

bee heightmap

🗿

[tropic rampart]

VV without global light vs Fancy

[rancid seal]

Fancy looks better at this point actually

[tropic rampart]

true, but that is because the game still wants there to be a global light.

i want an option in VV to look like fancy

need to adjust stuff to make it so it doesnt look like theres a shadow over everything

wait did they fix the VV water bug

noooooo :(

[quick nymph]

What one?

[tropic rampart]

turning VV off and on again made it so the water was more "normal" rather than the VV water

like, had the regular water texture, biome colours, but no reflections.

[limpid sequoia]

that's bug and it hasn't fixed yet

[tropic rampart]

Are you sure? It's not happening anymore for me

[limpid sequoia]

yes

it's still happening to me

[tropic rampart]

latest preview?

or stable

[limpid sequoia]

Latest stable

[tropic rampart]

hm, i'm on preview

[limpid sequoia]

oke

[tropic rampart]

I'll check stable

odd. Not happening for me even in stable???

[quick nymph]

Never had that bug before and I mainly play on stable

[tribal trail]

Fancy is too bright lol

[tribal trail]

Same

[sonic canopy]

Instead of using .png, .jpg or .tga image, use .hdr

[limpid sequoia]

i'm scared of .tga

[rancid seal]

I prefer fancy more than vv

[sonic canopy]

Why do you hate VV so much?

[rancid seal]

Because Mojang have destroyed RTX to make VV. The only thing I can use vv for is when I want to play with default Minecraft graphics, but I still love fancy more than vv. I know that vv is like fancy 2.0, but what actually made me stop using vv is Minecraft marketplace. Tons of vv resource packs (not free) were advertised, and It made me so angry so I started hating VV a little bit. I also see people saying VV is better than RTX, and it also makes me mad. If i wasn't able to run RTX, maybe then I would like VV.

[tribal trail]

"Because Mojang have destroyed RTX to make VV" they would never work on it, even if vv never existed. They abandoned RTX long before VV appeared so your point doesn't make any sense

[rancid seal]

It makes sence. RTX was damaged because of VV. If VV never existed, RTX would work fine as it was in 1.21.60 and before.

[tribal trail]

rtx was damaged before vv. RTX came out in 2020 iirc and since then didn't get nay major update and rarly got any bug fix, vv was first released in 2023 and fully released in 2025

make it make sense

[rancid seal]

Oh bruh, marketplace stopped working

[tribal trail]

RTX had bugs even on release and it was not fine, I played it since 2020 and I would never call it fine

[rancid seal]

You don't undertstand what bugs I am talking about, do you?
It is almost impossible to enjoy RTX without PBR. When vv came out, RTX:

1. Got PBR broken (and still not fixed)
2. Got flickering chunks bug (still not fixed too)

[tribal trail]

Game is updated and it breaks graphics mode that is not maintained since 2021, no way :0

[rancid seal]

RTX PBR got broken because of VV

[tribal trail]

RTX is not being developed so each update can break it even more, this doesn't require any conspiracy theory

[rancid seal]

The only thing that got broken not because of vv is point light system at this point. But PBR is broken because of VV, if there was no VV in Minecraft, it would work fine

[sonic canopy]

Personally I really like RTX. Not for it's visuals in the vanilla RTX but for its shader modding potential

[limpid sequoia]

"Ton"

If it's paid or not still doesn't make sense

[tribal trail]

it's your assumption

[limpid sequoia]

creator need to get rewards for their works

[tribal trail]

btw how it it possible that pbr is broken when i can load my rtx pack just fine or my vv pack to rtx just fine too

[rancid seal]

This IS the truth - pbr is broken because of vv

[sonic canopy]

I think things would be breaking in RTX with or without VV, unless Mojang stopped working on graphics all together

[limpid sequoia]

delete minecraft is better!

While Vibrant Visuals and RTX are running on different pipeline

so how VV effects to RTX

[quasi trench]

least surprising take ever

[sonic canopy]

They do have some shared code. For example, when subsurface scattering PBR channel was added to VV, it also got secretly added to RTX, they just never bothered to implement actual lighting code for it

So they do have at least PBR system in common

[rancid seal]

PBR is working fine in the regular worlds or worlds where VV is allowed. After VV came out, all RTX maps have PBR broken. All marketplace stuff where you can't turn on VV, PBR is not working in RTX. Also servers. Some servers like cubecraft and the hive have VV disabled, and... PBR also doesn't work there!
If you set "min_engine_version" more then 1.21.90/1.21.60 (im not sure), VV will be disabled, and PBR will stop working with RTX

[rancid seal]

They still use same PBR system (and same fog system)

[tribal trail]

works fine

[tribal trail]

so it's more of a problem with maps being outdated than mojang breaking rtx, got it

blame map creators, not vv

[rancid seal]

In the regular world (not marketplace/not server) it is working fine, they fixed it there.

[limpid sequoia]

thank you

[limpid sequoia]

i agree

[rancid seal]

No? Even using custom RTX packs in those maps won't make PBR work. If you use mods like Better render dragon, PBR is gonna work fine.
Why should RTX maps creators enable VV to make PBR work?

[quasi trench]

prizma rtx

[rancid seal]

Why do I have to download Betetr render dragon to use RTX with markeplace maps?

[tribal trail]

that is actually visuals not rtx version but loaded into rtx

but pbr works fine on normal worlds

[quasi trench]

no way

[limpid sequoia]

shock

[tribal trail]

so it's not like issue with pbr itself but maps being outdated, they should update maps and maybe that would fix it

[rancid seal]

I thought about creating my own VV resource pack in the past actually... but it looks like I didn't do that

[limpid sequoia]

just skip it

[tribal trail]

you should, entity pbr is fun

itempbr is even better

[quasi trench]

they’re scared to like VV

[rancid seal]

Creators have to enable VV support in their maps to make RTX work there actuaally. Why? Because disabling VV disables PBR at all, in vv and in rtx at the same time

[limpid sequoia]

i also making entities heightmap

[limpid sequoia]

[tribal trail]

if that was true then rtx packs with rtx in manifest wouldn't work

I don't see why RTX would work on normal worlds but not on maps

[rancid seal]

RTX pack doesn't disable VV

[tribal trail]

No, but RTX maps should not disable vv too

[rancid seal]

Yes, RTX maps disable VV not by a resource pack, and that makes RTX pbr disappear

[tribal trail]

then that should be fixed

if rtx packs can be used with vv maps should be too

[quasi trench]

maybe raytracing will be revisited when pathtracing becomes more feasible on more machines

with less cost

[tribal trail]

imo it would be better to implement ray tracing features in vv if it becomes more feasible

it makes no sense not impmenting GI/rt refraction, ray traced shadows or reflections to vv as toggles

[quasi trench]

that actually could make more sense

rasterize some stuff for more fps

[rancid seal]

Like, all maps where you can enable VV work fine with RTX too. But if map doesn't have vv support (almost every marketplace map), then -

This is RTX map

[tribal trail]

they theses maps should be updated to use both rtx and vv

[rancid seal]

This is how this map should look like btw

[tribal trail]

why not since rtx packs can be used with vv and i think it would fix it

btw how often do you play these maps?

I played them one time and never again

[rancid seal]

Uh, not that often. I sometimes use them to enjoy RTX. Because if map is designed for RTX, it looks better

[sonic canopy]

I think it's because all marketplace maps by default disable VV. Unlike with add-ons, VV capability has to be explicitly added by map creators for VV to work

[quick nymph]

Just because other people have different opinions doesn't mean one option is better than the other. It's just different to suit different preferences. Both have customisation packs / add ons and both only support certain devices. There is no superiority there is just difference.

[rancid seal]

At least they sometimes fix RTX bugs, even after vv came out

[languid mirage]

You have to switch graphics mode from Fancy to VV — WHILE IN GAME.

It’s the only way it happens.

[quick nymph]

Oh okay

[languid mirage]

Only official RTX maps are broken.

Probably something to do with the resource packs for them, that enable RTX.

[rancid seal]

No.

This is not the issue with resource packs.

Almost every marketplace map has vv disabled, and if vv is disabled, RTX PBR doesn't work

[languid mirage]

wtf 😂

[humble drift]

Still waiting for super duper graphics pack

[iron moon]

Companies you mean

[limpid sequoia]

[magic sonnet]

for vibrant visual certain packs have the suns and moons at an angle on the side of the screen, is there anyway i can ho into the pack and fix that?

[silent zealot]

Besides editing the pack to fix the angle? No.

[magic sonnet]

thats what im attempt to do but im unsure if where the thing is actually located (believe its called orbital offset)

[silent zealot]

lighting/global.json

[rancid seal]

Continue waiting ig

[magic sonnet]

thanks so much! is 0 the default? or what number would be the default

[silent zealot]

You can omit it so it goes to default value. But yes, 0 is the default.

[magic sonnet]

thanks so much!

[white willow]

This wasn't exactly VVs fault though. Yes certain marketplace wasn't meant to use VV, but due to an oversight, literally do not think this was intentional at all, the entire PBR system is shut off, rather than just for VV exclusively. It's an oversight and not an intentional pull to "destroy RTX"

[silent zealot]

RTX users will come up with crazy theories when it all boils down to oversight and map versioning.

Map versioning has been a thing for the longest time.

[white willow]

I just think they genuinely forgot that RTX will probably still work

[languid mirage]

Vibrant Visuals - IS super duper graphics pack….

They just re-wrote everything and are approaching it completely different.

SDGP - was ONLY going to be on Xbox and PlayStation.

Vibrant Visuals will be on everything. And by the end of next year - it should have the majority of features that we were shown, in SDGP.

[silent zealot]

I would not call VV SDGP.

[languid mirage]

Just because it’s not at the same development stage - doesn’t mean it isn’t.

The only graphics overhaul MC ever was going to receive other than RTX - was SDGP.

The fact that it got completely scrapped and there is now Vibrant Visuals - Makes it pretty clear that VV pretty much is SDGP.

It’s just a full re-write.
How is it NOT SDGP other than the lack of features and incomplete development compared…..

[silent zealot]

That's not how it works. You can say its the spiritual successor but that doesnt make it the same project.

It's ok to admit that Mojang cancels projects and makes new one.

[languid mirage]

Well, it’s obviously not the exact same project.

But I would bet money that VV is built from whatever was left of SDGP.

[silent zealot]

This is like saying Minecraft Legends is Minecraft Bedrock because it uses the same engine(in your case VV used tech from SDGP). That's just not true.

And you said it yourself, it's not the same project and its ok to admit that. You can have spiritual successor!

[languid mirage]

That is far from the same.

But whatever floats your boat

[silent zealot]

You too!

[tropic rampart]

I mean, they are still different.
And VV is way better than SDGP would have been anyway.

Wasn't SDGP going to be paid DLC?

though, SDGP did have things i wish VV had.

but overall like, what we got with VV fits Minecraft far better.

[languid mirage]

100%.

Not saying they aren’t. Just saying that there are a lot of things that make them the same.

VV is just less developed. (Definitely will be 100x better.)

[languid mirage]

I think so, yeah. Not 100% sure tho

[tropic rampart]

yeah. Hopefully eventually VV gets at least any technical stuff SDGP had that VV is missing. Would also be nice if VV got more customizability.

[languid mirage]

TBH I think the only major things that were shown, that we don’t have is

1. Refraction

2. Multiple cloud layers

We have POM, Water waves - World lighting with shadows. Etc.

Honestly those are the only two things I can think of - that were shown.

[tropic rampart]

big in-game customizability

[languid mirage]

VV has coloured lights, Point lights + everything else.

[tropic rampart]

i don't think VV needs to be AS customizable as SDGP was going to be in-game, but i think we could use more settings.

[languid mirage]

I want VV to be like Java shaders.

Heavy customization allowing players to go for full realism or Vanilla or anything inbetween

[tropic rampart]

I think we should have the Editor on all platforms for more significant customization.

[silent zealot]

Phone go boom.

[tropic rampart]

but like, i think vanilla VV and different VV packs should also be able to set their own settings.

Vanilla VV should allow us to enable smooth shadows, waves, etc.

[languid mirage]

Bedrock editor?

Would be awesome if it was on Consoles and PC - atleast.

[silent zealot]

It is on PC.

I did a review of Editor VV and there were some quirks a while back, before per biome customisation.

[tropic rampart]

whenever i attempt to export a VV pack with the editor, it keeps giving me one i made before rather than the current one for some reason.

idk if im just not understanding how it works or what

but like, it worked great up to a point, but now its just stuck at that

[tropic rampart]

yeah, we need the VV editor on console at least.

I can understand not adding the full editor there but VV stuff at least would be good.

[pale urchin]

I can't see them adding a VV editor without adding editor mode itself

[silent zealot]

I do not foresee Editor coming to other platforms tbh.

[pale urchin]

Not only that, technical feasiblity is dubious at best. The current VV editor exports files and stuff. Things you can't manipulate on a console

Even if they were to port editor mode 1 to 1, you wouldn't be able to make your own VV packs

[silent zealot]

They could just save it to your com.mojang directory, disallow custom export targets.

[languid mirage]

I mean, it can be done.

File manipulation is only something the USER is not allowed to do. The program can still open and make changes to said files.

Plus it’s an official feature - not the user actually modifying system files.

[pale urchin]

Yeah, there would need to be some sort of "create resource pack" button that does all the file management for you

[sonic canopy]

Uploading exported pack online to be downloaded from any other device is also a potential solution

[pale urchin]

That's beyond editor mode. Still it would be a nice thing to have anyway

[silent zealot]

I'm not entirely sure what Editor mode's domain is anymore tbh 😂 with jigsaw editor and leveldb manipulation.

[pale urchin]

World editing and pack creation as far as I can see

Imagine if in the future, they let you modify a mob's AI in realtime

But I'm getting off topic

[iron moon]

Fuck phones

[silent zealot]

50% of the market share 🥀

[rancid seal]

RTX is this pack too at this point

But actually none of them is sdgp

[tribal trail]

Yes

[tribal trail]

Also ssao I think

We don’t have POM?

[tropic rampart]

sadly yeah, i think it's unlikely which is a shame as it would allow a lot of needed VV customization on console, and the editor UI for VV could reasonably work there i think.

so you're just really limited with this if you play on console.

[quick nymph]

Uhhm we don't have POM we have PBR but not POM

[languid mirage]

POM is what makes the water waves.

It’s not implemented for blocks etc yet - true. Which it was for Super Duper.

Ex. 3D rails were showcased.

The guy who narrated the video going in depth on the new features called it “3D geometry”

And specified POM being used for water waves.

Honestly - even though VV is missing some stuff SDGP had, it still looks 100x better.

This is what VV needs 😫

Full customization in the graphics menu

[willow needle]

Strawberry Deferred V4.0 Rewrite on flower forest

[willow needle]

make bricks with a realistic theme

[limpid sequoia]

[languid mirage]

w

[tribal trail]

Not really, water in vv is flat

@white willow you are smart with that stuff, water in vv doesn’t have Pom, am I right?

[white willow]

Yea no VV water doesn't have parallax waves

It's just a normal

No parallax

The waves don't do parallax. They are just a sine wave algorithm with other tweaks that make them more random but are essentially just an animated normal map

SDGP had parallax waves, VV does not. Hope that clears things up here

[tribal trail]

Thank you

[rancid seal]

By the way, in default RTX water also has small waves, they are also made using normals.

[rancid seal]

Honestly, this is something every graphics mode needs.

[rancid seal]

Wait, was it?

I think I know nothing about subsurface scattering, don't I?

[quick nymph]

Kinda looks like it

[rancid seal]

Pls keep @ on

[quick nymph]

okay

[rancid seal]

But i think its not working with RTX

Let me try with grass

@quick nymph , btw, maybe you know.

Black - no subsurface scattering effect
White - 100% of this effect

Right?

[quick nymph]

I don't think rtx has SSS, iirc

[rancid seal]

Mb

[quick nymph]

I could probably be wrong though so make sure to fact check me, I am not very experienced with rtx

@white willow does rtx have SSS?

[rancid seal]

RTX and VV

It looks like it doesn't have it

[rancid seal]

But at least VV doens't have refractions!

[quick nymph]

I wish it did though

I wish RTX had SSS too

[ornate hollow]

it will

[rancid seal]

Lol its not

I also can say RTX gets subscatering surface

[quick nymph]

👍

[tribal trail]

With vv it’s possible because they still improve it and work on it

[tribal trail]

Why is it a good thing for you?

[silent zealot]

RTX users try not to belittle VV, difficulty impossible.

[rancid seal]

Because I have this thing in my nickname

[tribal trail]

Lol

[silent zealot]

Keep it up and we might remove you from this community for being annoying and discouraging others.

[rancid seal]

I don't care.

I don't ask people to stop using vv and smth like that

I say that I hate it and I have reasons to hate vv

[silent zealot]

You can hate VV without being annoying.

[rancid seal]

Do people get annoyed because I hate vv or what? I don't get it?

[blazing whale]

Refraction when on VV

[silent zealot]

When you make your whole personality on hating something yeah.

[blazing whale]

@limpid sequoia 🗿

[limpid sequoia]

🗿

lol

lmfao

[silent zealot]

🥁 That feature has been deferred to a later time.

[blazing whale]

It's a shame, because refraction can make custom glass much better.

[silent zealot]

Glass affecting light colour or refraction if you had to choose one to be a higher priority?

[blazing whale]

hard to choose

[blazing whale]

Lol vv hater 🗿

[tribal trail]

Soon

I can feel it

[limpid sequoia]

🤣🤣🤣

[sonic canopy]

RTX can read subsurface scattering channel but it doesn't do anything with it, is what I meant

[rancid seal]

Ohh

It would be nice if it did tho