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[tribal trail]

no

[tribal trail]

?

[tropic rampart]

1 is stable, 2 is preview

so, 1 is regular VV, 2 is static+point light

[pale urchin]

Don't mind me. Didn't take a good look

[tribal trail]

fall off before static lights was a little bit better but still bad

[pale urchin]

Wow the falloff really did get worse

[tribal trail]

yeah

[tropic rampart]

non VV for comparison

[pale urchin]

Huh. Is it just me or does non - VV look the same as VV pre colors

[tropic rampart]

it looks very similar for sure.

[tribal trail]

similar but non vv is a bit more smooth and transition better

and it's brighter near the light source where in vv it's more same color everywhere

[thorn bison]

that's some bright fire

[blazing whale]

Yes because bloom

[wise hinge]

holy bloom

[quasi trench]

bloomer

[still zenith]

Keyframe wishlist: ambient light color & illuminance, sky intensity, ??? What else. 🙂

[thorn bison]

fog 🙏

[still zenith]

Volumetric fog parameters?

[silent zealot]

Everything???

[silent zealot]

Yerps, keyframes for volumetric fog has been a wishlist since the start!

[still zenith]

It feels weird to keyframe things like color grading parameters to me, for instance. I'm open to opinions though.

[silent zealot]

On the complete opposite of keyframes, since it seems the team is restarting the drive for coloured lighting, it would be nice to either:

• Decouple the light emission component from the actual spread
• Block state support

[silent zealot]

I've had this concept of noir day and vibrant nights.

[still zenith]

Decouple the light emission component from the actual spread
Good to know this is desired. It was a topic internally that we weren't sure which way to go, and one of the reasons we wanted to put it out there and get feedback.

I imagine you would want that on a per-block-type (aka entry in the block_lighting.json) basis?

[white willow]

It doesn't align with gameplay well but it would be cool to be able to apply point/static lighting to things like redstone for ex. Maybe if it has PBR emission or something. Don't have to, but just an idea

[silent zealot]

Yerps.

Baffles me that brown mushroom actually has a light level of 1

[still zenith]

Ok, thanks for the feedback. We'll definitely consider it.

[languid mirage]

This has been bugging me lol.

Swamps look so weird

[long ruin]

I never understood why mushrooms have a light level

[languid mirage]

Has this always been a thing?

Just not noticeable until coloured light?

[white willow]

I think it's been like that forever too

Maybe even well back into the notch era

They have a light level of 1 so it's never noticeable. Just VV brings it out a bunch

[languid mirage]

Actually insane.

I’ve absolutely never noticed it.

Until now…… it’s like an eyesore

[white willow]

Which to a degree I think is partially an issue with VV as all block emissions are way more intense than vanilla and look equal rather than light level having some impact to it

[silent zealot]

I still clamp all my emission channels from 0-15

[white willow]

I made a custom blocklight curve some time ago that did still preserve vanilla behaviors and intensities... mostly

Is not perfect as stuff like glow lichen are way too dull but yea

[languid mirage]

Honestly hate how even the Furnaces etc light up such a massive area.

It seems off.

Makes even less sense that a mushroom has any light level

[silent zealot]

Directional light...

https://tenor.com/view/miku-beam-hatsune-miku-blue-gif-4896781555411033723

Conditional lighting based on neighbours for beacons 🤤

[languid mirage]

Would be really nice for things like furnaces.

[tribal trail]

fog density

[tribal trail]

what about rain customization? 🥹

[silent zealot]

What about rain?

[tribal trail]

also fxaa and ssao would make the game awesome. even fxaa alone would be good

[tribal trail]

this for pack creators to edit

[silent zealot]

Ah the renderer folder.

[tribal trail]

all this could be in atmospherics configs

so we could make rain pretty :)

[tribal trail]

but this is more important

i need anti aliasing

[silent zealot]

I'm surprised the renderer folder even existd.

[tribal trail]

not Keyframe but auto exposure is too strong making everything much darker when you just look at light source

it's very bad

[silent zealot]

#1437846663082410016 message

Moment.

[sonic canopy]

By ambient color & illuminace do you mean ambient field in lighting json? If that's the case, I'd like to add that it would be nice to be able to keyframe skylight color as well (the color of ambient light from the sky; not the ambient color in complete darkness), instead of it being defined by sky_color field in the client biome file. Also it might be desirable to split sky intensity into reflections and ambient light components somehow (maybe just diffuse/specular split or something fancier that better avoids the issue of bright specular shine on rough blocks when diffuse intensity is low) as currently tweaking sky intensity also decreases the brightness of sky reflections on water and other blocks which is an unfortunate side effect

[white willow]

^

Please 🙏

Sky reflections especially on water look so bad when decreasing sky intensity

[thorn bison]

quirky legit been wanting sky light keyframes for ages 🙏

[sonic canopy]

Although ig if skylight color will be keyframed, it will only control diffuse light, leaving sky intensity to control specular so splitting sky intensity is not strictly necessary. But then you won't be able to make diffuse any brighter than #FFFFFF so maybe separate intensity controls is still useful if u need very bright diffuse in comparison to reflections

[tropic rampart]

yeah would be useful

[tribal trail]

we also really need fix for auto exposure, it's too strong with light sources

[tropic rampart]

and a fix for MCPE-230030 (XSS reflections), for which i have left a step by step tutorial for how to fix it in the bug report :3 !

[tribal trail]

i know auto exposure should make everything a bit less bright but it's too much

[tropic rampart]

personally i hate the effect it has on the end flashes.

as it results in the bright light actually appearing dark

it's better than before now, but still bad if you look in the direction the flash is coming from

[tribal trail]

i don't hate effect itself but how strong it is, it makes light sources and lit environments look bad

[white willow]

Honestly

I think VV could've gotten away without auto exposure

Especially since the lighting isn't realistic

[quasi trench]

add path tracing to VV

[white willow]

hey when trying to add local lighting i keep getting an error

nvm

i had to use 1.21.120

[quasi trench]

flashback to every biome fog needing updated to .90

[white willow]

ok so its just not working for me at all actually

ah fixed it

ik fire point lights arent ideal, esp since they cant cast shadows but its cool lookin

[pale urchin]

What do they look like without again?

[white willow]

im tweaking some lighting stuff rq to make the colored lighting have better impact one sec

with and without

you lose the normals and specular highlighting

and volumetrics contribution

[silent zealot]

I guess.

[white willow]

without vs with

[silent zealot]

Point light is just...so much better for things that aren't lava.

[white willow]

if static lights can contribute to fog in the future, then ill be happy

lol

[white willow]

look at the fps between both tho.

static lighting gives 60 more fps in this situation

i wish point lights performed better

[silent zealot]

I can only imagine for those with weaker gpus.

[silent zealot]

I lowkey dgaf about perf right now.

[white willow]

i dont either. but im just saying for the sake of making a pack, perf would be considered for something like this

[silent zealot]

I'm focused on the visuals.

[white willow]

added point lighting to glowstone. the fog contribution is just huge

[pale urchin]

Something else I notice that mobs don't get the color from static lights

I chop that up to an oversight, but I hope they look into that

[wise hinge]

[languid mirage]

This is all I want from static lights atm.

And what I’d seen mentioned before - some kind of method for large volumes of light blocks casting shadows - I.e Glowstone and lava.

[languid mirage]

This is and Refraction are my two main focuses.

Expose auto exposure parameters to creators and bring us some basic refraction effects to start off with and build from.

[wise hinge]

agree

[silent zealot]

What's the bug?

[blazing whale]

Mushrooms have light

[silent zealot]

That's not a bug.

[blazing whale]

oh ok

[silent zealot]

😛

[languid mirage]

I honestly think this needs to be reconsidered

[silent zealot]

It would break some farms such as a slime farm.

[languid mirage]

Rlly?

How so?

[silent zealot]

I've seen some slime farms use mushrooms to prevent other mobs from spawning.

[languid mirage]

Maybe it should be trialed.

If it’s not received well - revert it.

Idk, it just looks terrible with the static_light.

Especially since swamps are FULL of brown mushrooms

[silent zealot]

cough decouple it from the light emission component cough

[languid mirage]

I’ve seen you mention this - what exactly would this allow for?

[silent zealot]

Right now the spread is 1:1 with non-VV since presumably they don't want vanilla VV to affect gameplay. This makes things like glow lichen atrocious and brown mushroom as well for example. Decoupling the actual light level with the spread of light could fix this.

Another example are candles, they're so bright.

[languid mirage]

Right, but how would that fix it?

light intensity is currently tied to light spread? Meaning if something is light level 1 it will still be a fairly bright light?

But then if they change that - would creators then be able to adjust light spread and intensity via local_lighting.json?

That would be nice.

At the same time I feel like just making the mushroom no longer a light emitting block would be easier and more logical.

[silent zealot]

For the sake of VV which Java doesn't even have is probably not worth it to break existing builds.

Oh... I did not know the blue water blends the light colour.

[silent zealot]

@sonic canopy , you got any other maps to recommend besides le ultimate rtx?

[sonic canopy]

What are you looking for in a map?

[silent zealot]

Currently I think testing static light is my main focus. But if it serves as a general purpose VV testing that be great too.

[sonic canopy]

The maps I've used mainly focus on RTX, but elysium fire cyberpunk might look nice with static lights. Hermitcraft maps also often have various light sources and are overall nice for testing imo.

Also found these 2 just now, never tried them but looks like they have quite a few lights and an overall interesting look so they might look fun with static lights
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/ihou-download/
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/ihou-2-illegal-architecture-returns/

These ones are also nice, I've used one of them before (the second one)
https://mc-kenchiku-com.blog.jp/craftcollection2_world.html
https://mc-kenchiku-com.blog.jp/archives/1082386335.html

[silent zealot]

Oh yes Hermitcraft S9 map I've been using but it keeps crashing because I'm using it from the MP.

30fps

[iron moon]

Damn this does not look good

I mean looks vanilla

[pale urchin]

The coloured lighting in this scene is coming from glass so that makes sense

[thorn bison]

since when have point lights interacted with volumetric fog

[tribal trail]

it's a point light that interact

[thorn bison]

whoops ty

[tribal trail]

is it normal that player/entities don't get colored light?

[thorn bison]

or don't get affected at all

[thorn bison]

(that's a point light but the same thing happens with static lights)

[silent zealot]

If you ignore the purple sure.

[tropic rampart]

hopefully glass coloured lighting gets added

[iron moon]

I mean it looks just like stained glass I'd have to see a vanilla pic to see the difference

[silent zealot]

I mean if water already does it, I'm sure the same tech can just be applied right?

[tropic rampart]

wait does water already do it?

did i miss something

if so then yeah

well, depending on how water does it

[silent zealot]

I mean, my torch looks green.

[tropic rampart]

I don't really see it?

[pale urchin]

It doesn't apply to static lights or point lights

[silent zealot]

Static lights dont change the colour, point does.

It mist be the water fog doing the work.

[pale urchin]

Yeah

[silent zealot]

Simply add glass fog.

[tropic rampart]

even then, i don't know

like, yeah the water fog changes the appearance of the light source behind the fog

[silent zealot]

Read like the past 5 messages from me and Sisilicon

[tropic rampart]

o

yeah

the fog changes how the light source appears

[pale urchin]

the fog changes how everything appears

[tropic rampart]

yeah

how foggy of it.

[pale urchin]

from both the player's and the sun/moon/end flash perspective.

[tropic rampart]

does it affect the sun/moon/end flash in any way?

[silent zealot]

What I mean.

[pale urchin]

Make a tower of water and see

[silent zealot]

I cannot tell if it's this world or not, but switching from fancy to VV just glitches my UI

[white willow]

For a long time

[tropic rampart]

It changes how you see things through, but idk how it affects how the sun/moon/end flash view things

this does look very funny

[thorn bison]

that is the most trippy out of context image i've ever seen

[pale urchin]

Huh. I could've sworn they made shadows of their own. Must've been scrapped

[tropic rampart]

i don't think that was ever a thing? i tried it back when VV was first added to the same result.

maybe when it was deferred technical preview?

[pale urchin]

Yes

[tropic rampart]

ah

[tropic rampart]

yeah

[pale urchin]

If they scrapped that, then I have less hope for coloured shadows in general 😔

[tropic rampart]

I hope we get them

colored shadows + stained glass changing static/point light colour and stained glass becomes just the most useful block in the game for builders

[silent zealot]

Just realised I need Chunker.

[tropic rampart]

water is very good as clouds

[pale urchin]

Reminds of that one Mario 64 level

Eerie

[tropic rampart]

even better at night

[pale urchin]

Stop it Pout you're scaring me!

[tropic rampart]

Sadly, for survival this isn't an option because no barrier blocks, but this is a great way to do clouds for creative builds now.

[silent zealot]

Java->Bedrock conversions just keeps crashing worlds lol

[iron moon]

Just looks less saturated tbf

[silent zealot]

If you can't see the no purple tint, that's fine.

I can only assume that in RTX there would be a huge light beam.

This room is too orange for me lol.

[tribal trail]

that was a bug and i think fog was creating that "shadow", it was patched

[silent zealot]

Maybe I should switch to RTX...

[sonic canopy]

Do it

Join the dark side

[silent zealot]

This map made for RTX is so ass for VV

[pale urchin]

It was a real shadow. I'm not talking about that ghosting artifact (which still happens under certain circumstances)

[tribal trail]

i know you are not talking about ghosting artifact

[long ruin]

[pale urchin]

I know what I saw 😭

And I konw it wasn't a bug

[long ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/nimoise-crazy-i'm-not-crazy-folle-jss-pas-folle-gif-9768764534170561796

[deft cradle]

yo someone help

my preview lagging so hard

[thorn bison]

is it a memory leak

[silent zealot]

Society if Editor Mode had point light support so I can toggle between point light and static light easily

I think also being able to dictate where a point light is coming from would be nice

Huh, glowstone isn't in local_lighting?

[silent zealot]

Hmmm....animated colours...

[tropic rampart]

huh. odd. They probably forgot to add it.

same goes for all the copper lanterns besides the regular one

any of the waxed or oxidized ones don't have colored light

only the default copper lantern does

[silent zealot]

Stinky

Oh right...please don't have the piston machine move a light source back and forth.

[tropic rampart]

pointy lights ?

point light render distance is far longer than point light shadows

which means point lights are visible through blocks.

i think now that we have static light, it might make sense to reduce point light render distance and then slightly increase point light shadow render distance, so that you'd only see point lights when they have shadows.

[silent zealot]

I mean...even static lights are visible through blocks.

[tropic rampart]

yeah but it's more your usual light leaking issues, right?

not "depends on how far you are"

so, stuff i'd expect to get fixed

[silent zealot]

Shiny snow.

[long ruin]

Y'know, I'm curious if it'd be possible to have the lights have a "circular pattern" instead of the diamond shape

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

I'm torn if sea lanterns should be white or green

[white willow]

i usually do a bluish green. but something different from soul torches/lanterns

or greenish blue?

one of the two idk

[long ruin]

W

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[tribal trail]

slightly turquoise color

[silent zealot]

😔 People are just inventing colours now.

[tribal trail]

well, not very turquoise bu it's good color for lanterns

it's more baby blue

[tribal trail]

wait till i invent prizma pink color

[silent zealot]

Sorry, we have to put you back to the gulag.

[silent zealot]

None of these even says turqoise 😭

[tribal trail]

I said it's more baby blue color

[silent zealot]

😭 Idk what baby blue is, is there adult blue and teenage blue?

[tribal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-kpop-gif-nayeon-twice-gif-kpop-flashing-gif-gif-24881379

[silent zealot]

Im a guy, we dont know specific colour names, we just say red orange green.

[tribal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/kokomi-genshin-impact-gif-blue-sangononiya-kokomi-gif-13344179688850893222

[silent zealot]

Oh cotton candy.

[tropic rampart]

static light with colored candles is so fun

[tropic rampart]

simple (no smooth lighting), fancy (smooth lighting), VV (point lights)

[silent zealot]

Are your planks shiny?

[tropic rampart]

i haven't edited that so thats just vanilla planks

this pack really just edits water (enables waves), and candle light colours

[languid mirage]

Vanilla VV pbr kinda stinky

[silent zealot]

*Vanilla kinda stinky

Fixed it for you

I do hope they work more on biome blending all VV features.

Hear me out though...height based configs.

[languid mirage]

I hope they work on the color banding in the sky or use a tone mapper that doesn’t do it as much.

Like Hable.

[silent zealot]

Color banding?

[languid mirage]

Vanilla VV sky is left

Not AS severe. But damn close

[silent zealot]

Ah so that's what it's called.

[languid mirage]

Hable tonemapper has almost 0.

Looks like right image. Maybe a little bit of banding but barely noticeable

[silent zealot]

Right, Vanilla uses their generic toner.

Sepia filter looks so much better in the nether tbh than cold biomes.

Which one?

[deft cradle]

2nd pic

[tropic rampart]

As much as i like 3, i think 2 probably?

[pale urchin]

Yeah 2

[long ruin]

2

[white willow]

Ik why banding happens actually. So VV uses much lower color precision than most things because of mobile performance or something. (Gonna get a lil technical). Your typical HDR buffer would RGB16F. VV uses a lower precision R11F_G11F_B10F buffer. This does help performance but causes banding. Now why is it less noticeable on other tonemaps? Well it's cuz generic fights against hue shifting and keeping colors true to form. The issue with this though is that it brings out the banding way more. The lower precision buffer is also why high contrast can cause deep frying sometimes

They main course of action to improve it would likely be a bayer dithering or raising buffer precision

Dithering is the best option tho for sure

But yea other tonemaps show it less because they don't do extra stuff to prevent hue shifting so everything kinda gets hidden better

[long ruin]

Is it possible to have a higher color precision enabled for higher end devices while keeping the original for lower ones?

[white willow]

Probably

Ik in the reflection json there's a color precision thing you can change

Idk what it would do as I haven't messed with it

But that would only affect the IBL iirc

[languid mirage]

They’ll probably just add dithering.

Idc though - I just refuse to use the generic tonemapper.
Hable looks great.

[white willow]

I don't like generic either

I think hable is probably the best. ACES is good but it requires a lot of specific and intensive care to make truly amazing

Reinhard_luminance is straight butt. Reinhard_luma is very close to hable, and regular Reinhard isn't too bad either

[languid mirage]

Aces I find always looks too bright/washed out.

Like when I use Prizma - I realllllly notice the change on the main menu.

It doesn’t look bad in-game though. Good contrast between dark and bright.

[white willow]

Yep aces is very blown out

[tropic rampart]

Java Just Colored Lighting shader / Bedrock VV (with colored candles RP)

[ornate hollow]

i wish point light shadow will be like this

the object near light source shadow will sharp and far a bit shadow will soft

[wintry nimbus]

What value do i change to make darkness "darker"

[thorn bison]

gain & gamma

[wintry nimbus]

of shadow's correct?

[thorn bison]

yep

[wintry nimbus]

so low gamma would be darker and gain does what exactly?

[thorn bison]

gain is basically the same as gamma but gamma is kind of like the overall brightness base as i understand

[wintry nimbus]

already ty!

[wintry nimbus]

alright *

[thorn bison]

you can find more info here

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/vibrantvisuals/colorgradingtonemappingcustomization?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[wintry nimbus]

oh yeah ive been searching for that but i forgot what to look up lol

ty

[thorn bison]

np

[languid mirage]

Why is it that my “orbital_offset_degrees”

Isn’t working at-all?

I get no errors etc with creators toggle and the error log.

I have my lighting.jsons defined in my Client_biome.json files.

All of my lighting files have the same values for orbital offset.

On top of this - it worked fine when I only had 2 client_biome.jsons.

Now that I’ve covered every biome - orbital offset isn’t working.

Kinda irritated

[languid mirage]

Got it.

Dumb as hell ngl. Must have every obj defined in the .json for it to work?

Thought you didn’t need end flash defined in every biome.json

[white willow]

You don't need flash as long as you don't have the uh... I think it's 1.21.80 version number

It's been a while tho. I forget

[languid mirage]

I do.

Maybe it was changing my default lighting.json name from default lighting to global.json?

It’s the only 2 things I did.

[white willow]

Idk

[languid mirage]

🤷‍♂️ works now. So idc lol

[white willow]

I remember reading somewhere that having a global.json didn't work anymore but it's been fine for me

Very weird

And that all biomes need an atmosphere/lighting file defined but I also don't do that and it's fine

[tribal trail]

What do you mean?

Since when

Default configs should always work

[white willow]

one sec

[white willow]

ohhhhhhhhh

nvm

im stupid i read this wrong

[silent zealot]

BAO vs Reading.

[white willow]

unfortunately

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[silent zealot]

For everything not water and per biome right now.

I have a 20 minute video of me using Editor Mode https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1437220081359655014

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[sonic canopy]

Yk what would be cool, if someone made a script that'd apply deferred configs in real-time in-game as you're editing the files, by using websockets and new deferred graphics scripting apis. Could be a good alternative to the editor mode, for those who prefer editing text instead of dealing with editor UI

[silent zealot]

[sonic canopy]

We still need a bunch of other APIs for this to be possible tho

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[silent zealot]

May need to reload the world?

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[languid mirage]

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          "color": {
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        },
        "orbital_offset_degrees": 30.0
      },
      "flash": {
        "illuminance": 6.0,
        "color": "#E45DFF"
      }
    },
    "emissive": {
      "desaturation": 0.0
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    "ambient": {
      "illuminance": 0.02,
      "color": "#FFFFFF"
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    }
  }
}```

"expected keyframes" is blowing my brains out. Using docs example. Gave keyframe error - added keyframes to moon & no change. my nether keyframes are just 0.0 & 0.1 but i get no issues?

(on xbx - cant upload file)

[wise hinge]

i don't any issue...

[thorn bison]

usually means one of your values is out of range

[thorn bison]

we NEED this 🙏

[wise hinge]

waiting for color

[graceful iron]

Isn’t sky color per biome?

[wise hinge]

i forgot to add a word
I mean sky color keyframe

[hexed rover]

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[wintry nimbus]

how do you get rid of that godawful auto exposure effect

i don't know how it even made it into the game it makes me feel blind

[thorn bison]

you can do it by modifying the "tone_mapping.json" file in the renderer folder

[wintry nimbus]

i dont know where the renderer folder is

im on mobile btw so

[thorn bison]

C:\XboxGames\Minecraft for Windows\Content\data\renderer

[wintry nimbus]

i might not be able to

[thorn bison]

ah

[wintry nimbus]

yeah

[languid mirage]

No, you cant?

[languid mirage]

thats a different error code? Or are error logs really that Un-reliable I cant trust what it says???

[thorn bison]

i thought these settings controlled auto exposure?

[languid mirage]

ohh. My b didn't see renderer folder get mentioned

[silent zealot]

DATA DRIVE THE ENTIRE RENDERER FOLDER

[thorn bison]

usually the input goes out of range, therefore the keyframe is un-useable, so it technically doesn't exist

(as i understand it)

[languid mirage]

honestly though

[languid mirage]

ok but the inputs are hex color values. Or lux values which docs say are accepted AND those values are in Docs example.....

so wtf

this makes 0 sense

anyone else got any ideas?

[silent zealot]

Change format version from 1.21.80 to 1.21.90?

That content log is single handedly the most useless error in my entire MC development lifetime.

[languid mirage]

i'll check

[thorn bison]

yeah that's really weird

[languid mirage]

no parser available for 1.21.90

[silent zealot]

Are you sure it's that file?

[languid mirage]

1000%.

error says lighting & i had 0 errors before adding it to biome.json

[silent zealot]

Ah, then it could be your other per biome configs then no?

[languid mirage]

i have 2 biomes defined - only grading, fog, & water in them.. Everything worked. No errors. added lighting - it threw errors

[languid mirage]

doesnt seem possible considering ^

we need better documentation. Theres no reason why I shouldn't KNOW exactly what the issue is.

[silent zealot]

No, we need better logs.

[languid mirage]

a DOCS EXAMPLE. Doesn't even work. how are people meant to even learn from broken examples 🤣

[silent zealot]

Except it works for me.

[thorn bison]

the local_lighting.json example file doesn't work either lmao

[languid mirage]

literally. Wrong format version

[thorn bison]

off by 1 character 😭

[languid mirage]

right - are we sure? I literally C&P docs example....

[silent zealot]

Last I checked.

Not for the local lighting

The atmospherics and lighting worked for me.

[languid mirage]

so if yours is also 1:1 of docs, we're missing something

[languid mirage]

double check if you can? If I somehow missed something - cool. But if documentation is this f** idk what to do

[silent zealot]

Oh I think I never did per biome.

[languid mirage]

My lighting only works when defined in a biome.json. How does yours work?

[silent zealot]

If your pack has only one of each you don't need to define it per biome.

Wait, per biome coloured lighting when?

[languid mirage]

even if I have lighting.json for end? bc not for me. No lighting.json works without defining inside biome.json

or only if I have just 1 lighting.json?

[silent zealot]

Do you have more than 1?

[languid mirage]

nether & end. Both included in their respective biome.json

[silent zealot]

Yeah remove them.

Then check.

[languid mirage]

but I want the darker end lighting. If removing those works - cool but then i cant do custom lighting in them

[silent zealot]

If that works...then it proves it's your other lighting files that is broken.

[languid mirage]

how so though? They currently work without issues. I can make changes and see them in game. If they are the issue why do they work - not my overworld lighting

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thinking-baby-thinking-cat-baby-thinking-cat-baby-baby-philosophical-gif-17428742062241334001

Can you copy paste your other dimensions into the OW

[languid mirage]

OW?

[silent zealot]

Over
World

[languid mirage]

i'll try

[languid mirage]

nether lighting for birch forest? Lol

[silent zealot]

This is just to test that your original OW lighting is broken

Please people learn what tests are to debug things.

[languid mirage]

works fine.... As I figured .... Yk i spent 3 years programming & know how to use my god given brain. This documentation is sr8 a** though so i'm basically guessing everything.

back to the docs (lighting) global.json being the issue or is there something else we can try?

the only difference between my nether lighting (works) & Overworld lighting (doesn't work). Is my keyframes are just 0.0 & 1.0. my Orbitals illuminance is 100.0 and I do not have orbital offset defined.

those shouldn't be even causing that issue

keyframes are everything between 0.0 and 1.0 no? Orbital intensity is measured in Lux. So 0.0-120,000 or more??? And orbital offset only needs to be defined in 1 lighting.json

Am i smoking something ??? Like wth

[languid mirage]

i dont NEED certain keyframes defined either - otherwise just 0.0 & 1.0 wouldn't work. So that's not the problem

[languid mirage]

illuminance is the issue

docs CLAIM and SHOW lux values work. But it actually only accepts float values of 0.0-100.0

actually dumb

[languid mirage]

you were correct yet should be wrong according to docs.

documentation update - ASAP...

[languid mirage]

shouldnt have to debug example documentation. Example docs should provide clear and accurate examples and descriptions.

[silent zealot]

I agree, but thats besides the point.

[tribal trail]

most things that are there should be data driven

[silent zealot]

Most?

What shouldn't?

[tribal trail]

point_light_configs, point_light_shadow_configs, upscaling_configs

i don't think they should make data driven things that could impact performance

but all things not impacting performance should be data driven

[silent zealot]

Truly hate the performance argument.

[quick nymph]

Same

[white willow]

Majority of players do care about performance. They complain if their fps is even slightly less than their refresh rate. Or mobile players complain about performance all the time. Performance is a huge thing players care about

Why there's alot of hate towards unreal 5

Most unreal 5 games look amazing but run like absolute crap

[silent zealot]

then choose the Packs that cater to you

Non MP Creators should not be restricted by performance

[white willow]

While I agree, the amount of demand for a "lite" version of these packs is insane

But we can't do that nor can we make a higher quality one

[silent zealot]

I don't see how that is an argument against data driving those things tbh. If anything, it's an argument to data drive them.

[white willow]

Well yea I'm not saying they shouldn't be

I want control over shadow PCF width

I'm not necessarily arguing against you here. Sorry I'm not the best socially

With what we have though, we really can't get much higher quality than we have now tbh.

We can get worse tho

[silent zealot]

The convo was:
"most things that are there should be data driven" and Alexis replied with what she thinks shouldn't be with the reasoning: Performance.

And to that I replied, I hate this reasoning for creators so much.

Allow non MP to break them whilst placing guidelines on MP

[white willow]

Ok yea no I didn't intend to argue against you

I'm just saying demand for higher performance is there rather than lower. I want all those things defined regardless

[languid mirage]

This.

It makes sense to have MP packs have a certain level of performance for all devices that have access. Or even restrict certain features because of ratings.

However 3rd party packs should not also be restricted. You’re just hindering creativity aswell.

[tropic rampart]

Datadriven reflection configs so i can bring the series S reflection issue to all platforms

:3

[languid mirage]

She was mentioning things that should NOT be data-driven.

But honestly everything should be done. Allow creators to actually be creative…

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[white willow]

Last I knew players don't accept PBR textures

Entities yes but players no

[mossy verge]

I might be wrong but I think you can do on steve texture and it works for player

[tribal trail]

They do

[tribal trail]

You are correct

[languid mirage]

Wth is up with this black dark circle lol.

[thorn bison]

fr

let us destroy our pcs 😭 🙏

[cobalt tundra]

I'm getting the same parser error. How did you fix it?

[white willow]

It needs to be 1.21.120. The docs are wrong

[slate geyser]

i have VV enabled in the settings yet when i enter a world it has it set to fancy and i cant change graphic settings inside a world

[tropic rampart]

1- are you entering a marketplace world
2- are you using a texture pack

[slate geyser]

I'm using my own texture pack in my own normal world

My texture pack also has the pbr string in the capability array in its manifest

[tropic rampart]

hm. Odd, then.
Do you have "enable in-game graphics mode switching" enabled?

if so, there's supposed to be an icon next to the graphics modes telling you why you can't use VV

does the world work without the pack/does the pack work outside that world?

[silent zealot]

What's your RP manifest?

[slate geyser]

this one. I found contrasting info on the wiki on this. manifest section mentions "raytracing" instead of pbr

also it didnt even say if capabilities was an object or an array

[silent zealot]

What's your min engine version.

[slate geyser]

I'll check

"min_engine_version": [1, 21, 122],

[silent zealot]

You need 1 21 120

[slate geyser]

hmm why would increasing it make it not work tho thats very odd

[slate geyser]

i set it to that or even 1 21 0 and it didnt work 💀

[slate geyser]

thats the error

[tropic rampart]

odd.

[slate geyser]

device supports it btw as with another world they work fine

[silent zealot]

That last line lowkey me.

[graceful iron]

Real

This update has been in development for like 3-4 months now I think

[silent zealot]

Amateur.

[graceful iron]

…Amateur?

[silent zealot]

🥱 https://smokeystack.dev/projects/smokey-pbr

Since 1.21.50

[graceful iron]

I think this is my most up to date project ngl

[graceful iron]

You’ve been working on the same update for over a year now?

[silent zealot]

Yes lol

On and off

[graceful iron]

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

How

[languid mirage]

Caves are so much better 😫

We just need fog and if we could get Static_lights to interact w volumetric fog too - caves would literally be perfect

[viscid moth]

cool ass dragon egg with static light

[iron moon]

Cool

[languid mirage]

Enhanced Vanilla fog/atmospherics for the Nether.

One colour for horizon/zenith is Much better than the custom 2 tone stuff I see so much. Makes fog look a lot better.

[wise hinge]

redpinkredpink

[pale urchin]

did I start that trend? 🧐

[silent zealot]

What's the trend?

[pale urchin]

Gradient fog in the nether

[silent zealot]

I'm lowkey blind I don't see the gradient.

[pale urchin]

There aren't any in his.

He's saying he likes one colour more

[languid mirage]

Not very cool of you.

[silent zealot]

Ah so what does a gradient fog look like?

[languid mirage]

I’ll show an In-game SS.

In some scenarios - like on lava ocean level - it doesn’t look as bad

My biggest issue with it is that the horizon line is obviously noticeable infront of anything you see.

So the higher or lower you are - the higher or lower the colour split. Looks dumb.

[languid mirage]

Level with Lava lakes vs High up above.

Almost every major pack does this 🥴

[silent zealot]

I quite like it.

[languid mirage]

Prizma for example - I don’t mind.

It has a very dark orange horizon with an almost black Zenith.

So the colour difference isn’t huge. And the horizon line isn’t as noticeable. I just realllly don’t like that the horizon line is so obvious at-all.

Ex. If you’re near the Nether roof - the colour gradings are SUPER noticeable over top of the blocks directly in your face.

[white willow]

I think Al3xis did it first. Idk

I do think VVs nether tho is beyond underwhelming

[tribal trail]

i also think i did it first

I made it subtle so it doesn't look too weird

[languid mirage]

honestly it just needs more dense Volumetric fog. My pictures above are Vanilla nether + 0.04 density fog. Fog end distance is also higher. 320 blocks.

[pale urchin]

Without a light source, volumetric fog will hardly be visible if at all. Block light affecting fog when

[graceful iron]

How tf do you even do that

[languid mirage]

zenith/horizon colors

[wise hinge]

tile

[deft cradle]

i need this out of preview

[tropic rampart]

same. I NEED static light in stable.
I know it's still probably a while away (it sometimes doesn't update properly, it doesn't currently feel dark enough at low light levels such as from 1 or 2 candles, the vanilla VV colours need to be corrected, and hopefully they might want to make it work through stained glass)

but like

it's so good

[languid mirage]

Probably will take some time. Like you said, there’s a few obvious issues - albeit not huge. It works pretty damn good as-is.

I just hope they make some more improvements.

Like for example maybe volumetric fog interaction. Circular light spread rather than the diamond shaped spread. And maybe allow Intensity or the range of light spread adjustable per-block.

I’d like to see Furnaces etc. not light up a whole 15 block radius.

[tropic rampart]

i doubt static light will get things not related to the colours, that regular non-VV block light doesn't have

so, things like furnace light level or it being a diamond shape will stay

but anything specifically VV related may get improved.

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[languid mirage]

Although it’s possible they don’t - I think it’s pretty likely that they do allow 1-2 of those things.

Although the static_lights as they are, are decent. They’re extremely basic and still don’t compare to the quality of most decent Java shaders, block lights.

It is quite literally still Vanilla.

Just with colour channels.

[tropic rampart]

which they're meant to be, no?

the point of static light is this is the thing they can apply as block light for VV.

it can be applied to any light source block with no performance impact

so lava can glow orange

[languid mirage]

For their first iteration, yes - obviously. But who knows what they have planned for improvements.

And those next points you’ve made are the same for a lot of Java shaders. Solace has almost 0 performance impact with its coloured light alone.

[languid mirage]

Lava only glows because of bloom.

Coloured light didn’t change that. But most Java shaders, block lights DO.

Also changing light spread shape wouldn’t impact performance.

Although it could impact gameplay if the light spread was reduced in size.

[deft cradle]

True it’s a bit too powerful

[tropic rampart]

yeah, that's one where it's a gameplay choice.

current light shape is important for light level visibility

you change it, you may not cover the blocks in a way that makes it as clear.

[languid mirage]

not necessarily. A circle fits around a square with slight gaps at the faces of the square. And i believe vanilla spread is a 45 degree rotated square. There will be a slight difference - but if light fall-off is well adjusted it would barely be noticeable. This 1 thing would significantly improve the visual quality of both static & point lights.

again - there would still be a difference. But can be extremely minimized

[tropic rampart]

so like hm.

this

the circle is what i assume it'd be with this

the diamond shape inside the circle is current light system

the circle covers areas that are normally not covered

if you make it smaller, you reduce that, but don't cover areas that should be covered

[long ruin]

I definitely would like a circular pattern over the diamond one tbh

Maybe we should make a feedback post about it

[languid mirage]

as I said - radius and fall-off adjustments can fix some of this issue. imagine a slightly larger circle. But its edges fade out significantly. This way light spread end roughly the same.

[silent zealot]

More configs.

[languid mirage]

This would still happen but it would not be drastic

[languid mirage]

better visuals

[long ruin]

Vibrant Visuals 2

[languid mirage]

didnt we have circular point lights in 1.21.7/8?

[pale urchin]

I think they changed it to better fit the block light shape, but I would greatly appreciate it an option to change that

[languid mirage]

Same.
Being able to change light spread shape via resource pack would be great. Keeps VV nice and close to Vanilla but allows more realism for creator packs.

I still think light spread/intensity needs adjustments for VV overall though.

Java shaders light spread - complementary, Solace etc have very soft looking light spread compared to VV.

It’s like Smooth lighting x10

[long ruin]

aura

[silent zealot]

Eugh, the torch interacting with the fog is not a good colour.

[white willow]

I mean yellow torch with fog that absorbs a lot of red and green will do that

[woven mauve]

This was actually experimented with in Java snapshot 12w39a, unfortunately it got reverted in 12w40a for performance reasons.

[tropic rampart]

wait howd 12w39a do it

[woven mauve]

Entirely rewriting the lighting system for two snapshots before being reverted

[tropic rampart]

but like what was different with it

[woven mauve]

A furnace for example would only produce light from the front when on

[tropic rampart]

o

neat

i mean it makes sense for furnaces

but tbh the game doesn't have many light sources like that

where they only light on one side

so i can see why it isn't a big focus

[languid mirage]

There’s enough that it would make sense to implement though.

I wonder why they reverted the changes

[fading kindle]

absolute peak

[wise hinge]

thx you got a cookie

[wise hinge]

pointlights.

[tropic rampart]

mmmmm, pointy lights :3

[wise hinge]

[sonic canopy]

Turns out colored lighting from vibrant visuals can somewhat be used in custom RD shaders, with VV disabled

[long ruin]

W

[silent zealot]

https://vxtwitter.com/SmokeyStack_/status/1730371705602732245?t=TY6U2s0XiTaBlgEmmcYnAA&s=19

Was looking for an old tweet and stumbled across this.

SmokeyStack (@SmokeyStack_)

Hoping Mojang can fix the bug where light leaks into caves while using #Minecraft Deferred Rendering. It looks cool and all, but it isn't intended

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 30, 2023, 11:42 PM

[deft cradle]

Still isn’t fixed 🤦‍♂️

[wise hinge]

[languid mirage]

It’s far better than that though 😂

😫

[deft cradle]

That hand tripping me

[languid mirage]

the top and front part are gone. So it looks inverted

Or myb - top and side

[sour cloud]

what's this rp?

[quasi trench]

that water looks sick

lemme steal that water and implant it in a different one

[languid mirage]

Just a pack I’ve been messing with to get a better understanding of everything.

The water looks pretty great but has some issues. Could be cause of the game - not the wave settings. Although Idk.

I didn’t change much from default values for example water.json.

Just more depth, samples and 1 other thing

[zenith stone]

Is this mer texture gonna make every thing have metalness of just the brighter red areas? The microsoft docs are useless to me for mer textures

[thorn bison]

the higher the r, g and b channel values are on a pixel, the more the associated effect will affect the pixel

so this means that, yes, the more red value on a pixel, the shinier it'll be

[white willow]

Well looking at this. The entire character is going to reflect like a mirror

What is your goal here?

I made a YouTube video that covers all the workings of PBR texturing. I highly recommend checking it out as it's more helpful than the MS docs

[zenith stone]

Well I was trying to get just the golden parts to reflect it that’s what blockbench made and I wasn’t sure how to edit a mer file in blockbench to make the skin of the guy metallic

[zenith stone]

Ty I’ll check that out

[white willow]

The video is posted here in this server under its own post

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1420446949210980485

My video focuses on Photoshop-like programs but the idea should be the same

[white willow]

Just to give a quick brief. If you're looking to make something reflective, it's not metalness that does that

Roughness controls reflection. And it's "reversed" from what you think. Black in the blue channel is 100% smooth meaning it'll be fully reflective. Where as white in the blue channel means it's 100% rough and not reflective.

My video explains it better tho

[zenith stone]

Yeah, the roughness seems to be what I want. I just need to figure out how to do that in blockbench because it only lets me create materials and texture sets for entities not for blocks it seems.

[zenith stone]

so this guy would be mostly reflective because its mostly black? I would want to paint everything in this texture black that should be reflective and everything that shouldn't white?

Thats my understanding of the blue one so I'll try that in my pack atm

[white willow]

Kinda. I personally don't like using 0 roughness especially for something like this. It'd look too shiny

If that makes sense

[zenith stone]

yeah

[white willow]

One sec lemme boot up my pc and give an example

Also for the sake of specular highlights I do recommend "varying roughness"

A flat roughness value is usually pretty boring to look at

buit thats something that will come with time

[zenith stone]

this is interesting

im gonna try that

[white willow]

diamond with 0 roughness 0 metalness

diamond 0 roughness 255 metalness

diamond with metal ranging from 0-40 and roughness ranging from 40-110

The only issue here with VV is that no matter the roughness, the reflection will always be a mirror outside of specular

[zenith stone]

I did something

not what i was expecting but something

[white willow]

gold with metal from 235-255 and roughness from 40-120

gold with same metal but flat 0 roughness

[white willow]

so this would be caused by the green channel having some color to it

[zenith stone]

yeah this is the texture

[white willow]

yea that would do it

[zenith stone]

the gray seems to be emitting like the sun

[white willow]

wow 0 roughness and high metal is absurdly shiny

[zenith stone]

I actually need that for another mob but to a less bright extent

[white willow]

creating pbr in blockbench is perfectly fine but it is way harder to get results your looking for iirc

could i see the base texture of the mob youre making? like the texture file for it?

[zenith stone]

im trying to get the gold parts reflective

[white willow]

lemme make something for you to use as a reference

are the gold bits like actually gold?

[zenith stone]

except the buttons its probably like the evoker robe

the buttons are metal

[white willow]

idk what your file is named but try this one out

[zenith stone]

ty ill try that

[white willow]

this could serve as a reference piece for future things

[zenith stone]

yeah

I assume the same applies to blocks and items

[white willow]

yeo

yep

[zenith stone]

seems to have just broken the texture

[white willow]

do your texture names align with your texture set file

do you also have error logging on? it would tell you why

[zenith stone]

the texture set appears to be fine

ill chekc the log rq

it's just BP errors

[white willow]

i dont see why the texture owould be broken then

[zenith stone]

ill try reloading the pack

[white willow]

i mean i dont think this would make a difference but using the new format version for pbr files might help

"format_version": "1.21.30"

this format version would also allow you to utilize subsurface scattering if you wanted to

[zenith stone]

Ill try that

still broken

this one still works so its just a problem with that guy

[white willow]

idk why its broken. i didnt do anything differently from how i normally do things

[zenith stone]

ill try it with the old bright white one rq

nvm it got deleted when I overwrote it

im gonna see how this looks

thats cool

not what i was looking for but fire despite that

he appears shiny now

well i got him to work properly

[white willow]

nice!

[zenith stone]

got luminous grass to glow on the first go and glowing obsidian is working

yipeeeeeee

[white willow]

me when i trace rays

[deft cradle]

[zenith stone]

In order for a pack to allow VV to be enabled in the same world it’s in, can it have just texture sets for its files or do all the textures have to have MERs as well? I want make my pack compatible with VV immediately but roll out MERs slower as I fine tune them.

[white willow]

you only need one VV compatible file

oh wait bad answer from me

one sec

for a pack to be VV compatible all it needs is this in the manifest of the resource pack

"capabilities": [
        "pbr"
    ]

you can add whatever you want whenever you want

[zenith stone]

I ddi add that but it didnt work

In tge rp manifest

VV still disabled when opening the world i used to test the pack

[white willow]

idk then im sorry

[zenith stone]

Alr

Ty anyways

[zenith stone]

is the yellow underlined part supposed to be a entry in terrain_texture.json like the "color" field is?

[languid mirage]

So when did Point Lights get removed?

Literally no options for PL

[white willow]

i still have the options

[thorn bison]

you don't need to define mer maps in terrain textures as far as i'm aware

[analog totem]

that looks heck cool than absurd... i like shiny stuf

[zenith stone]

Alr Ty

[languid mirage]

Bro wtf.

What did they do to Xbox 😭

[zenith stone]

in order to make a texture very metallic I just have to paint the metallic area bright red right?

seems to be it, the helmets I applied it to are shiny/reflective now

[wise hinge]

nice

[deft cradle]

Release

[wise hinge]

[languid mirage]

BSL v10.
Lenovo flex 11.

30fps. Kinda crazy this runs so well. (Hell, VV Isn’t even supported on this device)

Minimum preset

[white willow]

i just found what im going to assume is a bug

having soft shadows enabled and looking through glass tanks performance

with pixelated shadows for comparison

[long ruin]

Weird

[white willow]

can anyone else check and see if they also have this issue

[long ruin]

Ill check rq

[white willow]

also the texel size makes no difference

im gonna test a diff rp that i have on me as well just to make sure, although i dont see why the texture pack would affect this

[long ruin]

Yep

[white willow]

can confirm that its also consistent here as well

also dang do the pixel shadows not light high res normals here

[languid mirage]

Just looking in the direction of large bodies of water destroys FPS too.

[long ruin]

What resolution of shadows is that? I like it a lot tbh

Is it just pixelated shadows at 1024x?

[white willow]

Yea

[long ruin]

Reminds me of the old sildurs shaders ngl

Just sharp shadows

I do wish in the future that MC will support resolutions higher than 1024 for higher-end devices like 2048

I might make a feedback post about it tbh

[humble steeple]

Do it

[long ruin]

Bet

[white willow]

the shadows are 2048

[long ruin]

[white willow]

the shadowmap resolution is 2048 but it can be snapped to a pixel grid of 1024

im explaining this bad

[long ruin]

So wait, in the texel_size is it 2048?

[long ruin]

Or am I just

[white willow]

no 1024 is the max but thats not the actual resolution of the shadowmap

like the 16x shadows are not rendered at a 16x resolution

the shadowmap itself is 2048x.

i am all for having larger texel size tho

[long ruin]

Ooooh I see

[long ruin]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1445633935211102370

Lmk if I need to make any changes please

[wise hinge]

it'd be cool if there were a slider to configure the shadow distance

[long ruin]

Ooooo

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

like
shadow distance (chunks) 4 - 6 - 8 - 10 - 12 - 14- 16

[wise hinge]

um

in terms of shadow I want the clouds' shadow quantization steps to be higher

[wise hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1385854591492558899
This got 50 votes

[quasi trench]

yeah for a time that didnt happen

but now it’s back

[wise hinge]

yess

[zenith stone]

why are these blocks not working? These are the files for one of them, the other 3 are very similar except for the one off to the side which has a fully black mer texture. The other 3 grouped together use the same MER file but different texture sets and normal textures.

it seems that the only blocks I've been able to get correct VV stuff with is emmisive textures

is the color supposed to be the name of the file in the same folder as the texture set because the color field is a path to the terrain_texture file

that appeared to be the issue, bridge autofill is wrong

[languid mirage]

Ouu.

Are colours actually going to be visible now - rather than washed out?

[long ruin]

Much better

[wise hinge]

should be

[long ruin]

Theres a weird artifact lol

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

water and fog seem to... somewhat interact better? im not entirely sure how that fix for water extinction rendering over fog worked

omg wait

the render distance fog has been fixed

well "fixed"

one sec

render distance fog used to be affected by the sky lightmap to some extent. lemme test this preview vs latest release

oh it seems this has been fixed for a bit now

[silent zealot]

So whats that biome coloir water thingy?

[white willow]

yea its been resolved in 1.21.120 as well

[white willow]

i got no idea

[wise hinge]

it doesn't work

[tropic rampart]

Does it work if you turn vv off and on again?

As then normally you get the non-VV water colours

[wise hinge]

thanks for info, i'll try

[wise hinge]

well it doesn't work still

[humble steeple]

What does this mean

[wise hinge]

• water can be colored by the color defined in biome client jsons
• colored lighting is much better now

[humble steeple]

Does that mean swamp water and stuff is green now like in fancy?

[white willow]

not really sure how it works tbh

cuz that water color as far as i know, never had an effect on VV before

[wise hinge]

i thought it would affect the color of the vv water surface

it seems not to be working tho

[white willow]

my best guess is maybe it has an effect on the lighting when underwater?

previously that was handled by the fog color you assigned in your fog json (not the water scattering parameters)

like your vanilla water fog color handled the actual lighting color underwater

so maybe that has just been transfered or at the very least, is now affected by the water color chosen in the client biome?

idk its not very specific

i mean its possible it is working

we just dont know what it actually does

[pale urchin]

That's what I'm thinking too

[proven hemlock]

We're working on getting docs updated for the water color. Sorry for the delay here!

[silent zealot]

Team was too busy water colouring with Bob Ross.

[proven hemlock]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/vibrantvisuals/watercustomization?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable#biome-water-color-inclusion

[white willow]

ok this makes more sense now. i was actually kinda right on what it did yay

[silent zealot]

I dont get it.

Explain it to me like im 5

[white willow]

basically the color you pick for water is now mixed with the particle concentrations

so vanilla color + VV color = total water color

i see this as a huge positive because a big problem with per biome water configs is just... how insane the fog underwater is. now assuming i have this right, i can have greener water without having to completely destroy visibility with more dense water particle concentrations

[silent zealot]

Cool.

[languid mirage]

That is pretty cool

[pale urchin]

Wait I'm confused. Where in the link does it mention this new feature?

[silent zealot]

The link leads you to that section.

[pale urchin]

How convenient

[silent zealot]

Unfortunate. Must be a region issue.

[pale urchin]

Probably. GitHub and the Minecraft Launcher refuse to work too

[sonic canopy]

Does it also affect fog color?

[wise hinge]

ah i was using 1.21.120
that's why it didn't work

[analog totem]

What the hel is this version

[thorn bison]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-new-version-numbering-system

[analog totem]

Oh bruh I see now

but why .26 then

If it depends on year, Isn't the current going year '25?

[thorn bison]

because the update is coming out in 2026

(i think)

[analog totem]

Ohk

[wise hinge]

format version in water config

[fading kindle]

quick question to u guys, is it worth spending a month of effort for a footage which just a few seconds?

-# though it doesn't matter anymore, I've already done that, I just wanted to call myself a masochist, nvm
-# u can ignore these two ramblings; I'm just trying to do something that might be cool in RTX and VV

[hearty seal]

Like how

[fading kindle]

let me keep this as a secret here for now. 50% done i guess

[hearty seal]

A month of work is a lot

But for s few seconds of a video

Ay still looks good though

[quasi trench]

delicious

[tropic rampart]

as you can see, the light acts like a particle when it goes through tinted glass

however, once you remove the tinted glass, it acts like a wave

[silent zealot]

Im here to shitpost not learn about science.

[raven verge]

fr

[tribal trail]

what about shitpost without post

[silent zealot]

Would be a banger fishbuild quote.

[tribal trail]

it would be

[wise hinge]

🔥

[hollow timber]

type shit

[rancid seal]

Default RTX clouds look insane when they are not getting broken. That's sad that Minecraft doesn't let us to change it's material by a resource pack.

The clouds starts bugging out after a while, but they look insane tho.

Using custom sky with Minecraft RTX.

Minecraft RTX with custom sky looks good imo

[ornate hollow]

better RTX has custom skies now?

[white willow]

No

Default RTX relies on a png texture to render its sky

So you can edit that png texture and change how it looks

[ornate hollow]

ohhhh

[white willow]

So you can use the default MCRTX sky with betterRTX and do this yourself like the person above did

[ornate hollow]

G👍

[zenith stone]

What are cubemaps? The changelog mentioned them.

[pale urchin]

Custom texture for the overworked sky

[old spoke]

why does my water look like this in VV? My resource pack doesn't overwrite water

[old spoke]

nvmnd, was in the wrong com.mojang

[zenith stone]

Oh

[willow needle]

Birch leaves

[wise hinge]

any idea why some textures glow when i changed num_mip_levels to 2?
Am I doing something wrong in terrain texture json?

and no content log.

[sonic canopy]

padding should ideally be at least (2^mip_levels)-1 to avoid such issues. So if you have 2 mip levels, use padding of 3 and if you have 4, use 15, which is a lot of wasted pixels so probably not a good idea

As to what could be causing it, my guess is that it's strange resolutions of some textures. If you have textures with odd resolution for example, or resolution that's not a power of 2 or smaller than 16 or not a multiple of 16 etc.

It could be forcing some textures into a sub-optimal alignment

[wise hinge]

changed padding to 3 but still there

[sonic canopy]

Check your mers texture, if it's transparent where there should be empty space, maybe your image editor saved transparent pixels as white, making them emissive

[wise hinge]

probably...

I'll make a new one tomorrow : (

[sonic canopy]

If you send it here, I can check the color of transparent pixels

Just to confirm

[sonic canopy]

Yup, transparent pixels are white

[wise hinge]

Thanks for checking

[white willow]

ok so some feedback i have regarding the generic tonemap. Im starting to come around to it actually. upon working with it for a bit, i dont mind it, but theres some problems that would be nice to see adressed

blocks that are red or have subsurface to them have some really odd environment blending. the tonemapper straight up overrides the fog on these objects that have SSS on them

[robust roost]

Someone know why my tools are white? (this includes every tool except wooden and stone ones)

[white willow]

it gets real weird because its fine on blocks that have SSS that arent like super warm in colorit just seems like red-yellow just dont get handled very well. even worse with SSS

[white willow]

for comparison, the same block colors on base reinhard

the anti hue shifting stuff in generic is quite nice but the issues seen here would be nice to have adressed

super painfully obvious here

im using 1.0 contrast and default saturation too

[wise hinge]

I've found a cause why transparent pixels were saved as white
I was quick exporting instead of exporting (export as...)

[viscid moth]

still can't believe full light block still has point lights

[white willow]

messing around with generic tonemapping

im working with default PBR but im editing alot of it to be less scuffed as well

[languid mirage]

Do they cast shadow?

[languid mirage]

I don’t understand why the PBR is so sub-par for VV.

Intentional? Accidental?
Lack of knowledge?

[white willow]

I dunno

majority of stuff is way too shiny

looking at alot of the pbr files, they dont use 255 roughness much at all. it makes leaves look so bad imo

[willow needle]

Strawberry Vibrant Enhanced V2.2 HD 512x

[wise hinge]

[willow needle]

door

[wise hinge]

lemme smash that door

[quick nymph]

Grass too smooth in my opinion

[willow needle]

Yes

[viscid moth]

nope

[rancid seal]

This is RTX.

[rancid seal]

I though it was nether for a sec

[languid mirage]

gawd... colored lighting needs work. Java shaders do so much better. bsl, bliss, solas 😫

[rancid seal]

Rtx is better then vv

[languid mirage]

atp any shader is significantly better.

[languid mirage]

terralith kinda dope

[languid mirage]

W skybox

Would be insane if VV allowed for Volumetric clouds though.

[rancid seal]

What happens if you try to use normal map and heightmap on the same block at the same time? (In Minecraft RTX)

[rancid seal]

Would be insane if RTX allowed for volumetric clouds too. Ray tracing also allows you to change sky, but unfortunately, doesn't let you change clouds.

I don't like the fact Mojang doesn't update RTX really often. It's just... forgotten.

[sonic canopy]

It wouldn't work, they mutually exclusive

[languid mirage]

Massive Bedrock L.

Nothing more beautiful than Flying an Elytra through some thick Volumetric cumulus type clouds

[languid mirage]

I find it interesting. Sure - RTX was primarily a marketing tool. But that doesn’t mean - the absolute best graphics setting for Minecraft, shouldn’t receive at-least some basic updates that are needed to make it perfect.

(RTX is the best - But obviously not perfect) cough BetterRTX cough

[rancid seal]

Bedrock RTX is really cool, but Mojang need to work with it. That's the only way to make it perfect.

[rancid seal]

Looks awful imo

[willow needle]

it doesn't matter, everyone has their own taste

[rancid seal]

Yeah, textures just look like a Roblox game for me...