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[languid mirage]

I took that more as - education edition will be dropping support.

But that’s just me. Maybe I’m just hopeful

Anddd I was correct…

[loud pilot]

education edition isn't dropping support though, so were you really? 🤔

[languid mirage]

I didn’t even check what the updated post was - figured that atleast was the case.

So I guess not 100% lol.

[radiant totem]

Hello, can anyone tell me how to make an entity glow in vibrant visuals?

[white willow]

adjust the green channel of the MER texture

youll need to make a pbr file for them

[radiant totem]

What file?

[white willow]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/vibrantvisuals/pbroverview?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable heres the overview of it

its a lot to explain

[radiant totem]

Ok thanks

[wise hinge]

🥺 👍

[radiant totem]

I made a texture_set.json but it only worked on blocks and not on entities

[languid mirage]

😫

Static lighting will just make this sooooo much better 😫

[wise hinge]

bloooom

[iron moon]

I'll keep updating this building

[wise hinge]

the floor is so clean

[iron moon]

I failed. This is not what I wanted but yeah

[quick beacon]

Can't get this VV. That honestly looks really good

[iron moon]

https://tenor.com/view/mopping-cleaning-fred-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-16131646301129140038

[wise hinge]

[iron moon]

Looks like dungeons

[thorn bison]

fr

[white willow]

Made some tweaks to the reflection reprojection in raytracing. Reflections are super crisp and don't have a lot of ghosting issues at the cost of a little noise

It's not perfect but it looks much nicer

[graceful iron]

Wow

There’s like no ghosting

[white willow]

It's much worse with TAA and we made some extra tweaks to DLSS for noise reduction

But it's still a lot better

The noise increase is really only bad on bright stuff. Probably wouldn't even notice it normally

[graceful iron]

Honestly, the noise is probably acceptable

[white willow]

It's funny tho cuz that honestly looks better to me than the over blurred and ghosty reflections

It's also only metals it really is noisy like that on

Smooth blocks are actually mostly noise free

Personally I find it a solid trade off

[graceful iron]

wowie

[white willow]

I'm gonna release a build with this later

I'm gonna test DLSS 3.8 tho and see if that has issues with the DLSS adjustments

[graceful iron]

I’ll try to see if I can test it with FSR today if that’s possible

[white willow]

Would be helpful for sure

[graceful iron]

Optiscaler should work with BE now, right?

[white willow]

It's good with base TAA noise wise, but the TAA itself has shitty reprojection so yea. FSR in theory should be ok as I think it hooks into the DLSS stuff

[white willow]

Should on preview iirc

[graceful iron]

mmmm

Is bedrock not using the GDK yet?

[white willow]

I mean if reshade works I don't see why optiscaler couldn't

Yea releases are still UWP for now

[graceful iron]

mmmmm

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[graceful iron]

I think optiscaler has UWP support now

[white willow]

It's honestly funny how that works. RTXs TAA has incredible image quality but awful ghosting and VVs has great image stability but awful image quality

BUT VVS USED TO HAVE BOTH

I'm not letting that go

That NEEDS to be changed

[graceful iron]

[white willow]

Did someone order a NAN Sandwich

I do wonder how often yall st mojang ran into nan issues like this during VVs dev lol

[iron moon]

I hope at least one dev died bcuz of that

[languid mirage]

That’s a crazy statement 😂

[sonic canopy]

Is there no way to reduce volumetric water fog density in VV?

[sonic canopy]

It doesn't seem to do anything for me

[languid mirage]

I could swear it had worked when I was messing with Prizma before.

I could be mistaken.

But that’s what the docs say lol.

[white willow]

it used to work but not anymore

[white willow]

only way to reduce/increase it is from the like chlorphyll cdom all that

but you can only reduce it so much

[sonic canopy]

Ok I see. Was hoping it'd be possible to disable completely but ig not

[white willow]

yea only way is to just turn off fog in the settings

[sonic canopy]

Crystal clear lakes
Yeah right

[runic kestrel]

figured i would ask if anyone knows about this?

I have pbr enabled in my resource pack as it allows for pretty mer textures and stuff

but as of recent (like a week or so ago) some people have been getting this error and the entire resource pack has been not loading for them ?

[thorn bison]

could be something to do with format versions/minecraft versions

[runic kestrel]

hmm maybe

im not too sure what could need changing

[thorn bison]

could you send the manifest json?

[runic kestrel]

yes, sorry

[runic kestrel]

    "format_version": 2,
    "header": {
        "name": "§6[§b1.5.6 R§6] §6Alylica's Dungeons Addon",
        "description": "§eAdds the textures and resources for the addon.\n§6Made by : §dAlylica",
        "uuid": "ab296f68-bb16-4ede-a49c-d0ed99b5b87b",
        "version": [
            1,
            5,
            6
        ],
        "min_engine_version": [
            1,
            21,
            30
        ]
    },
    "modules": [
        {
            "type": "resources",
            "uuid": "eb704eb5-0d32-480d-848e-307a4b38a4df",
            "version": [
                1,
                5,
                6
            ]
        }
    ],
    "dependencies": [
        {
            "uuid": "2c5e0de8-0360-49ac-bfe5-339a2a0e62f2",
            "version": [
                1,
                5,
                6
            ]
        }
    ],
    "capabilities": [
        "pbr"
    ]
}```

[thorn bison]

have you tried setting your minimum engine version to 1.21.90?

[runic kestrel]

hmm

ill try that

my guess is it's being weird now because they may have recently changed how the pbr capability works since it is now allowed on the marketplace

yeah ill try changing the engine version, ty

[mossy verge]

This warning usually means vibrant visuals isn't supported on device

[runic kestrel]

yea, but, atleast previously, it hasn't caused the entire resource pack to not load ?

[white willow]

My guess is they might've changed something and now if a device can't load the VV version, it just won't. My suggestion atp might be to split off the VV portion into a separate resource pack to keep the main pack working and let people who want the VV content to download the external version

[runic kestrel]

mhm, that is what i will do (if changing the min engine version doesn't work)

very frustrating change lol

[white willow]

Definitely

[silent zealot]

Does this happen in preview too?

If so, can you try 1,21,120 as the MEV?

[runic kestrel]

ill have to see

the thing is, i have not encountered this issue at all, but ive had like, 7 different people report it to me in the last week or so

im gonna ask one of my friends who cant run VV on their device, and see if they have the issue

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Vibrant Enhanced V2.1

[silent zealot]

Actually curious, when you all see the "glint" that comes off from metallic surface, does your brain think its happening irl which causes your eyes to hurt. Not sure if Im explailning this right.

[tropic rampart]

i mean not as much as when it actually happens irl

but slightly

[silent zealot]

https://youtu.be/fsXiTy-Q3ig?t=1952

An example of what Im saying if my English is bad.

[tropic rampart]

somehow i never noticed until you pointed it out

[silent zealot]

Yeah, it's been an annoyance to me when developing PBR.

[white willow]

Sometimes? It depends. My brain knows the bloom is fake but sometimes I'm like ow my eyes

Rain

[white willow]

When are these reviews gonna stop calling these packs shaders

[silent zealot]

When we get client scripting and molang support in VV.

[white willow]

Reflections

[silent zealot]

Yeah this is also what I mean, I know it's fake but my eyes and brain say squint your eyes.

[white willow]

lol fair enough

[quick beacon]

For me yeah

My eyes don't like it and it makes me squint my eyes

I look so dumb doing it qwq

[silent zealot]

English please.

[quick beacon]

I'm tired alright

[silent zealot]

Too bad, back to work.

[quaint fern]

How i create a glass block with vibrant visuals?

[silent zealot]

#1182091012177399809 message read this.

[quaint fern]

Ow

Was #unkown

[white willow]

ive never understood why this is an issue but mipmapping on higher resolution blocks is just not good. I wanna use mipmapping to help with noise related issues and normals but animated textures just... stop animating past like 6 blocks. this is not a problem in vanilla or with 16x textures

and im pretty sure mipmaps do not behave this way on java either

do i need more mip levels or am i misunderstanding something

actually having mipmaps on seems to do aboslutely nothing for distant noise

at above 16x

on and off.

VV needs anti aliasing at native or they need to fix their TAAU because this is honestly not super acceptable imo here

or mipmaps need to actually help

oh seems to be a bit of an issue in vanilla too. im almost certain vanilla textures arent this noisy (also at 16x MSAA)

yea no. mipmapping just does nothing at 128x. this is vanilla

[white willow]

and how it behaves at 16x.

mip level 0 vs mip level 4. keep in mind java does not have MSAA like bedrock does. it looks like mipmapping on 128x+ materials works fine

to be extra sure lemme test without mods to see if sodium doesnt just patch the issue

ok nvm sodium just patches it

HOWEVER, animations dont fade out after a couple blocks.

does anyone know how long this has been an issue for? considering it also exists in java this should probably be fixed no?

the only real option i can even think of is test fate with mixing resolutions and praying the atlas doesnt nuke itself

[tribal trail]

animation thing for years i think

[white willow]

actual insanity

java doesnt have that problem. the problem that is shared is mipmapping not working on higher res textures

[tribal trail]

i know animation thingy is bedrock only

and it's a pain

also how to look with 32x32 textures or 64x64 textures?

[white willow]

now if i wanna fix any form of distant noise i need to commit a cardinal sin in pack making that has a chance to cause an even worse bug

[tribal trail]

are animations still wonky like this?

[white willow]

not sure

i can check

but i dont have a 32 or 64x pack on hand

[tribal trail]

please check it, it will be funny if anything over 16x result in this

[white willow]

its crazy cuz a mod fixes this, which means its definitely doable

[white willow]

so yea its broken on every res thats not 16x

its just less broken

32x max range, 64x max range, 128x max range

[thorn bison]

[white willow]

Finally

[thorn bison]

no kidding

[white willow]

Did a cool thing in RTX. Made it so the actual density of the cloud will affect the darkness of the shadows

So on the resource pack side of things, making clouds have higher scattering and absorption values would result in darker shadows

It's currently multiplied against the base cloud shadow value passed into the shader but I might change it to only rely on those values

Here's a relatively thin cloud and the shadows cast onto the ground. With a base value of 0.5, they line up pretty well

Having this value will result in this type of shadows with a 0.5 base opacity

Where as these get you this

Pretty cool

[white willow]

Ok I need to talk about this

Sunlight in VV bugs me

Idk if it's the way the BRDF is designed or what, but in my opinion the sunlight really just looks like vanilla lighting with an NdotL

Basically looking anywhere that doesn't have fog literally just looks like base mc maybe with shadows. Which I do understand was the intention

But idk if it's just the lack of proper AO or what but this really doesn't look that good in my opinion

It would be really cool to potentially see other BRDF methods implemented and possibly selectable through a json config or added onto lighting

But I've tried so much to get brighter, nicer sunlight and I cannot

Idk if it's the brdf, or if it's auto exposure but no pack i have played with or used or made can get around the sunlight feeling plain

Or there's some lack of extra atmosphere to make this feel less plain

[white willow]

Errr sorry diffuse methods, like burley, or Oren nayar or frostbites burley. VV currently I wanna say uses lambertian diffuse but it might be custom. Lambertian is fine I have nothing against it, but the way the brdf seems to handle difuse to me lacks power

Id like to hear others opinions on this.

I'll play with that BRDF LUT, see what differences that might make

[sonic canopy]

BRDF lut only affects specular, so probably won't help much

There are some areas for improvement for sure. Like maybe adding something to make the shading look less vanilla when there is no direct sunlight. Other dimensions and caves could use some love as well, as those don't even have the sunlight and it can be difficult to create the right atmosphere with very little lighting configuration that we have without sunlight. Making the caves not look pitch black, or illuminating fog in the end without relying on end flashes would've been nice. But VV is also not a java shader, they can't be adding effects left and right, whatever they add has to fit with their art style and performance constraints (phones), just something to keep in mind.

[white willow]

Yea I get all that for sure

I'm not one of those people asking for every little thing under the sun

I like the art direction of VV being simple

But it's just bland

If that makes sense

And I'm sure there's many that disagree and rather prefer the simplicity. I don't want full 3D volumetric clouds, hyper realistic parallax water, GI or any of that

But I want something that looks nicer than vanilla which a good bit of the time, just looks like vanilla

[tropic rampart]

Other dimensions
i think you MEANT to say

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-8675616492999829547

given that The End got the supernovae

i think the End could be darker

but that's it

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, and it's annoying that this is the only source of any kind of environmental light, so you pretty much have to use it, unless you don't want to use fog or you specifically need pitch black fog

[tropic rampart]

i like how it is besides that. Make it darker by default and reduce the autoexposure when the flashes happen.

i prefer how dark the End was in some earlier previews

[sonic canopy]

Just curious, is there some existing java shader that fits the description of how you want VV to look?

[white willow]

You can get ambient illumination for skylight which looks alright but a lot of times the flash is too sudden, and the pitch black fog is eh

[white willow]

To be honest. I don't use it that much but comp reimagined is a fairly solid one

If I were to expect a refresh it would be like that tbh

[white willow]

Now it doesn't need all the extra things comp has been doing lately like the WSR.

[tropic rampart]

like i preferred this tbh

[sonic canopy]

Yeah but it doesn't illuminate the fog, and also every block in the end has 0 sky light, so it's only being illuminated by ambient light and it looks flat

[tropic rampart]

the End being dark, but not so dark that you can't see

and then the flashes actually make it bright

[sonic canopy]

Meanwhile, java shaders:

[white willow]

There it is complementary

[tropic rampart]

i prefer the VV approach tbh.
this looks nice, yes, but it feels excessive.

i like the more empty void with the occasional flashes

[white willow]

The problem isn't really the style

As Veka is saying, it would be nice if the ambient light illuminated the fog a bit

[tropic rampart]

fair

[white willow]

The sky can illuminate fog in the overworld (I think) why can't it in the end

I was using the volumetric clouds here but this is what I more expected VV to be tbh (imagine the clouds in the vanilla shape)

The direct lighting here just... looks better than VVs sunlight in terms of how it's distributed and everything

I'll screenshot later in the reimagined settings

Took this from the comp 5.6 announcement

[tropic rampart]

I think the darker fog does at least work better now that the sky is darker, too

[white willow]

It's more or less an issue on the resource pack side

For default this looks fine

But when editing things perhaps you want a brighter sky

It looks bad with how the fog works

[languid mirage]

100%.

They just need to do whatever they want for VV.

Allow resource packs to farther personalize it for marketplace.

And then allow creators to import/load their own shaders which they could also add to marketplace or keep 3rd party.

[white willow]

I'd love to add my own shaders

Lemme integrate my skybox everywhere

First it was in unity, then my Java shader, got improved a lot, and now it's in RTX

Just need to get it running in VV now

Hehehehehe

(If you can't tell I love my sky model)

[quasi trench]

after that add the skybox in vanilla

simple graphics ofc

[pale urchin]

I don't get what the difference is

in terms of direct sunlight shading

[white willow]

tbh its not even sunlight at that point. just visual style and art direction

comp has a lot more going on and is generally less visually boring than VV is at times

idk how to explain it

im having a lot of fun editing raytracing :p

[quasi trench]

if vv goes to shit, can we get a ray tracing revival

[white willow]

already doing it

[long ruin]

[sonic canopy]

Imagine if they added shader support and open sourced BRTX

https://tenor.com/view/reality-back-to-reality-waking-up-dreaming-tired-gif-12232938

[long ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[white willow]

would be a dream

[wise hinge]

the music🔥

[quick nymph]

Agreed

[wise hinge]

At least atmospheric_weather config

[white willow]

its a banger cant lie. i quite like it

[subtle escarp]

I have one problem: when I turn on VV and enter a world with my addon (only my addon is there), they just switch to Fancy, and there is a tooltip next to it (for some reason the text is cut off, but I found the full one: "Vibrant Visuals requires a supported device and is not compatible with Marketplace Texture Packs or Worlds.") But the point is that my addon is not on the marketplace, and in other worlds VV works fine, so I don’t understand why this is happening :/

[thorn bison]

is there anything different with your world from normal worlds?

[subtle escarp]

So, well... it has beta APIs enabled and the texture pack has custom fogs and client settings for custom biomes (if that matters..)

[thorn bison]

does this texture pack have PBR enabled?

[subtle escarp]

I don't even know what this is

[thorn bison]

basically, it's the compatibility with vv

it could be an issue of the resource pack not having vv compatibility

[subtle escarp]

So, how can this be fixed?

[thorn bison]

you could go into the resource pack's manifest and add it there

[subtle escarp]

?

[thorn bison]

that should do it

[subtle escarp]

yeah, it works

thanks

[thorn bison]

np

[wise hinge]

I can see clouds noise

[thorn bison]

looks like we're getting a streak going

[brave star]

lol

same feeling when I see people call an addon a mod

you know what they mean though

[thorn bison]

not always unfortunately

[brave star]

?

[thorn bison]

sometimes it's unclear which edition they're talking about and then they call an addon a mod lol

[brave star]

I mean, describe a mod and an addon in simple terms.

and also vv pack vs a shader

[thorn bison]

a mod is a modification of the game, typically for java edition, whereas an add-on is closer to an extension to the game, and only for bedrock

[brave star]

a mod adds stuff to the game, an addon adds to stuff to the game.

a vv pack adds shadows, makes water look good, and adds lighting effects, so do shaders.

[thorn bison]

a shader is written in a graphics programming language, and in the context of minecraft, is only supported on java. a vv pack is a set of configurations to change the way vv appears

[thorn bison]

not just adds, also changes core things on java

but i see your point

[brave star]

simple understanding to NON developers.

thats what I mean.

[thorn bison]

yeah, for anyone who isn't an intense nerd like myself lol

[brave star]

lol

[languid mirage]

Render dragon toggle on Vanilla MC 😫

Just need static lights to get enabled 🙏

[silent zealot]

Nope.

#1432756328325054546 message

[hexed rover]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[silent zealot]

Check the pins.

[deft cradle]

Why everyone giving sad reaction

[pale urchin]

Where

[faint frigate]

That's because people think GDK is a downgrade (people don't like change)

[white willow]

It's crazy to me people have that take cuz, you're telling me more accessible files is a bad thing???

FULL SCREEN NOT BOOTING YOU OUT OF WORLDS IS A BAD THING????

[silent zealot]

https://xkcd.com/1172/

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

[white willow]

It's crazy 😭

[white willow]

Yep......yep......yep

[thorn bison]

because i have to change my minecraft file location shortcuts 😭

[thorn bison]

is anyone else's water looking really rough and detailed since the GDK switch?

[primal girder]

They updated waves

[thorn bison]

ah

that would explain it

[white willow]

Mine got less detailed 😭

[thorn bison]

tbh i have no idea how to fix it lmao

[white willow]

My waves were really sharp and defined and now with sample width getting chucked, they became way softer than I wanted

I actually do not know why that was removed

If it was causing issues fair enough but

[iron moon]

refraction moment

[thorn bison]

shortie creeper

[wise hinge]

lmao

[thorn bison]

with a broken back

[iron moon]

testing the nvidia filters thing

half of them don't work lol

[white willow]

Wavy puddles

[languid mirage]

Point light shadows - quality deteriorates the higher the normal shadow quality setting is.

Kinda crazy.

[thorn bison]

which one has higher shadow quality?

[languid mirage]

Second.
Look down long hallway with Redstone torches.

You can see torches light stopped rendering correctly with the second image.

Can also be seen happening on left side - just not as severe

[iron moon]

Is it possible to have this as default water?

Just wondering

[white willow]

Yep. The way i do puddles is actually identical to the new wave system I added

Or I should say the ripples

It's just slightly altered for puddles but you could very well get a similar look for water

[hexed rover]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tropic rampart]

My bug report got set to plausible !

im not sure if thats good or not, but at least it means they noticed it.

[wise hinge]

yay

[blazing whale]

Is it possible that Vibrant Visuals will have a different fog intensity feature at different times?

[thorn bison]

if we're lucky

[blazing whale]

I think if something like that existed, VV would be more interesting, and maybe there would be more VV pack creators because of the variety of features.

[thorn bison]

and i'll finally be able to make morning mist 🎉

[white willow]

I've kinda found a way to do that actually

Early morning tends to have way less exposure issues so you can very easily get away with making the sun a bit brighter which illuminates fog a bit more

It's not a perfect solution but something I've found that does kinda work in the current VV environment

[thorn bison]

is that why fog density feels higher in the mornings sometimes?

[sonic canopy]

If you are using height based fog, that could also help, as then sun rays would have to go through denser part of fog when the sun is low

[white willow]

Damn discord compression doesn't do the water one much justice

[still zenith]

Keyframes for fog intensity?

[silent zealot]

keyframes for everything please.

[languid mirage]

ive also been thinking - some way to control ambient/skylight during different weathers would be nice. I find rain/thunderstorm far too bright during the day.

[still zenith]

Aha, so multiple axes for parameters. Time of day, weather effects, etc... that's a fun problem. 😀

[silent zealot]

High expectations aside...

Keyframe fog is something we've asked for since the first day of DTP.

Oh yes here it is: #1182091012177399809 message

[still zenith]

Sorry 🙏

[white willow]

i have two requests here. separate sky intensity into skylight intensity and sky reflection intensity (if possible). also keyframed sky intensity. having the same sky intensity for night makes no sense personally

[still zenith]

Refractions, too. It's still on our list, like point lights, we just had to make some concessions for V1. 🙏

[silent zealot]

I know y'all purposely delayed this stuff so the Marketplace has low expectations and then deliver a bombshell of an update.

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[still zenith]

Oh I wouldn't say that. And I was also just about to say that none of the marketplace packs seemed to suffer from lack of those 2 features. The pack offerings for Vibrant are sooooooo beautiful! 😍

[white willow]

🔥

[silent zealot]

I think Alexis has some complaints.

But we can ignore her for now.

[still zenith]

We will continue to improve. For Alexis especially. 🙏

[white willow]

my only real issue right now honestly is just skylight at nighttime. it doesnt get reduced at night so night is really hard to make darker

[silent zealot]

Now I know this isn't a graphics team bug btw...but having your packs deactivate beacuse you changed subpacks is quite annoying.

[white willow]

getting luminous dreams to have a night feeling night was really hard and its still not quirte as good as id like it to be 😔

[still zenith]

You're trying to make all dark areas to be darker? Or just nighttime?

[white willow]

nighttime specifically. skylight doesnt actually decrease at night so the sky is always the same at all times of day

[silent zealot]

Speaking of Dark... go check out Starfish Studios new Vibrant Visual pack coming soon, Dark Fantasy Visuals

[white willow]

so night is always just too bright

and if you want a darker night you have to butcher skylight for the daytime

[still zenith]

Oh trust me, we've been passing the trailer around the studio today. It looks amazing!!!

[languid mirage]

👀 shadow casting from lava pools... Sorry - ignore me

[silent zealot]

Oh, an obligatory...please support Molang for VV stuff. Ok thank you.

[still zenith]

OK, thanks for the info. This all sounds like reason to expose the exposure parameters for tone mapping as well. I suspect that is the primary culprit here.

I'll add it to our planning board. No promises on timelines, though. 🙏

[white willow]

just knowing itll be considered is enough

[sonic canopy]

Could it be an issue with inability to keframe sky intensity or color, rather than something to do with exposure? Currently, sky intensity is constant per lighting config and skylight color is constant per biome, and since ambient skylight scales with sun illuminance, you essentially can't increase contrast between direct sun/moon light and shadows, because shadows also scale with sun/moon illuminance

[white willow]

also could be very likely

[sonic canopy]

By butcher sky light do you mean decreasing sky intensity and making darker shadows during the day?

[white willow]

back in the dtp era before the current auto exposure we have now was introduced, dark nights were super doable and easy without needing to use really low skylight values. after the exposure got reworked it became very hard to make properly dark nights

[white willow]

yes you have to use like 0.2 skylight intensity for an actual dark night which honestly looks bad during the day

[still zenith]

Thus "keyframe all the things"

In all seriousness, we won't keyframe all the things. We really analyze each one we light up with keyframes, because we want PBR to drive lighting behaviors in an emergent manner. But yeah, some things do actually change over time in the real world. 😉

But we'll definitely consider these ones in question this evening

[white willow]

plus then metals look really bad cuz they arent getting much for sky reflection (water too), why splitting sky intensity into skylight and reflections separately might be helpful too

[silent zealot]

Seriously though, keyframes for almost every VV aspect AND molang support would give creators the most capabilities excluding data driving the renderer folder.

[sonic canopy]

Just wanna throw a few more things out there, being able to use different tonemappers for different dimensions would be cool, as well as being able to use at least some kind of fog in caves (neither distance nor volumetric properly works), and also some way to light up the fog in the end besides the end flashes, as it just looks pitch black otherwise

[white willow]

point lights would help the cave fog thing i believe but yes. also (idk if the new biome blending stuff fixes this) but like you cant even use vanilla fog in caves

which i tried to do once. especially for deep darks

[sonic canopy]

Oh do they help? Iirc when you're in a cave (in a place with 0 light level from the sky), fog scattering just straight up doesn't work, so point lights don't have any fog around them

[white willow]

the fog inscattering used to still apply to point lights. idk if thats still that case

but it used to i believe

i have old images in deep darks with point lights influencing fogs

[silent zealot]

Is colour grading still not per biome?

[still zenith]

Yes. Block/point lighting is currently disconnected from volumetric fog, but its on the list to re-enable as we work on point lights.

[languid mirage]

static lights especially if they interact with volumetric fog.. Caves 10000% need fog though.

[sonic canopy]

Color grading is but tonemapping operator and temperature grading types can only be changed globally, per-biome parameters are ignored

[white willow]

ah alright

so im not crazy in the fact that it used to work though

[still zenith]

You're not crazy. It definitely used to and we disabled it on purpose.

[white willow]

found this REALLY old image when fog inscattering was added to point lights. so long ago.

my old discontinued pack 🫡

actually i think it was long after it was added. i forget when that was added.

cuz this is 1.21.20

wasnt it added in like 1.20.80 or something

man that was a while ago

[languid mirage]

DONT TEASE ME

[white willow]

i almost just sent an image and then realized it was rtx

😭

[languid mirage]

i fricking miss that beautiful hazy nether

[white willow]

point light fog in a building

one thing i want in vv

rough reflections

whether its done via VNDF sampling, or some other interesting way

please

ok yea i found the images i was talking about before

oh wow 1.21.80

so around the VV release time

or well early VV prep

[sonic canopy]

Imagine if static lights would also be able to influence fog 🥹

[white willow]

id live for that to happen

lpv fog volumes

it does depend on what static lights would be tho

logic says floodfill

[silent zealot]

Now imagine molang support so manifest v3 can individually choose which light is point and static.

[sonic canopy]

I hope I can witness at least a single field of VV being data driven with Molang in my lifetime

(seriously tho, I think they might just be purposely avoiding molang and waiting for client scripting instead)

[languid mirage]

😫

[languid mirage]

Imagine they actually enabled the static lights 😫

[silent zealot]

I do believe client scripting is the way to go. Their temp solution using server is not it. It alleviates some gripes but we cannot do it per player.

[sonic canopy]

Yeah client scripting makes the most sense for it. I just hope it would be fast enough to be able to compute all the values every frame

[blazing whale]

Yes sure

[white willow]

now this is by no means very usable. most light emitting blocks do nothing

but its cool

but like the metals which look quite meh in VV, look quite interesting in RTX

[tribal trail]

Omg omg omg

Im gonna cry right now

https://tenor.com/view/yay-kitty-cat-happy-excited-gif-20777520

[tribal trail]

Can we also get rain customization?

[thorn bison]

please 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[wise hinge]

When it's rain, it feels like just...vanilla

[tribal trail]

I also want custom fog color for rain

And custom clouds color for rain

[tropic rampart]

I'm really looking forward to where VV will be in a year. Point lights, refractions, static_light, and whatever else is currently in development that i don't know about. All of this stuff is really exciting and i really like how open you are with talking about this stuff, so we know there's always things to look forward to with VV.

Hopefully the future also includes someone going into Content\data\renderer\reflection_configs\lods\reflection_configuration.console_2.ultra.json and setting linear_search_step_count to 300 (or at least like 250).

[thorn bison]

overall just like a rain overhaul would be awesome

[tropic rampart]

i think right now a lot of VV is like that where it doesn't feel that different from fancy. Rain, the nether, caves/interiors.

point lights and static light will fix caves, interiors and the nether presumably and make them feel more different when VV is on

hopefully we also get cave fog (i don't think that's a thing yet?)

[thorn bison]

kind of, but it's only the fog colour going dark underground

but having more customization would be awesome

[wise hinge]

Um I also want to have shadow distance control under the video setting

[tropic rampart]

i mean this is still a thing (edge of render distance is way too bright while underground. This is also an issue without VV, but with VV you're likely playing at lower render distances)

[thorn bison]

that's weird, i'm playing vv at max render distance and i didn't experience that

[tropic rampart]

well yeah if you're at max render distance, then the cave will never go out of render distance.

if you're playing at lower, like you have to on PS4/XB1/XSS, then this can be an issue

[thorn bison]

ah, that makes sense

[tropic rampart]

PS5/XSX VV RD is high enough to usually avoid it.

[thorn bison]

i think i experienced the fog darkening because of the fact the fog distance was short

[thorn bison]

i think it's because underground the fog isn't brightened by the sun and sky, so it ends up being darker

[sharp raptor]

real

the offical pbr for rtx in that one xbox demo just looked nice, they could have put it in VV

[fluid holly]

refractions, vertex animations for water and foliage, light rays underwater, SSGI, rain puddles, volumetric clouds etc theres so much i hope one day is available i don’t even think the vanilla vibrant visuals needs most of these for performance parity just the ability for creators to implement them 🙂‍↕️🫶🏽

[white willow]

Light rays under water? That uh... that exists

SSGI is also just a bad answer to problems tbh

GI to me is just not an effect that works super well in screenspace

I think one of the better modern SSGI implementations is uh, what is it SSILVB?

I mix up the acronym a lot

I think just some basic AO would be sufficient for VV though

[fluid holly]

idk im still new to pack developing but is there not only godrays underwater? i might sound stupid

[white willow]

Idk exactly what your asking for with water here

If you mean like moving light rays that's just the "godrays" following the caustics pattern

Caustics are usually mapped to the shadow program which allows them to be treated as shadows and influence volumetric lighting

[thorn bison]

these are godrays underwater

[fluid holly]

yes thats what i meant 😭 i could be tripping

[white willow]

Well that would happen if caustics were treated as shadows instead

[fluid holly]

vv underwater rn just feels like a blue fog imo 😔

[languid mirage]

Honestly would be insane

[white willow]

Actually I think caustics are treated as shadows but because the water itself can't actually cast shadows

Unless it can

Idk

[languid mirage]

🤷‍♂️ I just know that adds so much more life to underwater scenery

[white willow]

Yes it does

I wish caustics could be calculated off the wave patterns

But that gets expensive

You're basically computing refraction based on the normal (waves) and adjusting the trajectory of sunlight through the surface

Maybe it could be possible once VV has refraction tech

[languid mirage]

Like I said in another server - I wish VV had the same level of customization as Java shaders.

Being able to Choose more taxing features for some things vs others is awesome.

[languid mirage]

Would be nice

[white willow]

I've tried implementing wave based caustics

I don't entirely get it right now tbh

I wanna add it to raytracing tho

[languid mirage]

Trial + error.

If you care enough, you’ll find a solution.

[white willow]

I'll first have to take a look at how RTX applies caustics in the code first

It's just a scrolling texture right now by default

But it does all the other stuff like light shaft manipulation

[tribal trail]

Yes they are a shadow

[deft cradle]

what is this i found in minecraft files 😭

[languid mirage]

Education edition torches

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Vibrant Enhanced V2.2 (upcoming update)

[wise hinge]

snow

[blazing whale]

snow 🥶

[earnest sierra]

I offer my soul for this to be a thing

[wise hinge]

🔥

[silent zealot]

Thank you, I would but I gave Navi mines a long time ago.

[languid mirage]

I keep forgetting but just remembered - Lightning bolts and the flash from lightning -

This is still 100% vanilla.

Can we get lightning PBR so it actually is emissive ?

Also could the lightning flash be redone to be more accurate in its lighting?

Maybe have it interact with Volumetric fog, even casting shadows could be nice.

[white willow]

Would be so cool if it acted like an end flash

But

I can really see people hating that

Because it would be a very sudden and abrupt and fast change in lighting

[tropic rampart]

i think that'd be fun
but also idk how well it'd work

since like, lightning bolt is an entity

[thorn bison]

you just can't please the community 💀

[white willow]

You could strap a giant point light to the entity

[tropic rampart]

true i guess.

it just can't be a global light

[white willow]

I made a lightning flash system

[tropic rampart]

because you can go all around it

[white willow]

However it wasn't a shader

It was just a C# script that randomly flashed a new directional light randomly

[languid mirage]

I was going to write that originally - but figured maybe that would be unrealistic.

That would be my primary suggestion though. A Flash like the current end flash only from directly above the ground every time.

[white willow]

Best option

just raytrace it /jjjjjj

But no my thought it's putting some kind of directional light source at the center of the lightning entity that can cast shadows and directional shading

So like a point light or a directional light would work there

[tropic rampart]

instead of ray tracing how about just like
putting a 500x500 point light every block from the lightning top to bottom

or every half block to make it smoother idk

(500x500 being the light distance)

[languid mirage]

Ohhh.

That would be cool but it’s intensity would have to be pretty high for it to match a realistic sudden flash from a nearby strike

[white willow]

Ngl raytracing would be faster there

Nvm

You mean one giant point light

[tropic rampart]

no i was making a joke

[white willow]

Oh

[tropic rampart]

you got it right the first time

:3

[white willow]

Lightning bolts being 500 point lights

Mmm lag

Like legit RT would be faster

Rt really isn't that slow anymore either

[tropic rampart]

i wish we had RT on consoles

shame that got cancelled

[languid mirage]

That’s what it would have to be, too tbh.

Unless they made it emissive and made it compatible with the static_light function.

Maybe then it could look decent

[white willow]

I think (for non mobile) mojang could really easily get away with path traced lighting on things like lava. It would be so much faster than point lights and still offer shadows

But that's not ideal nor efficient

[silent zealot]

They have to prioritize mobile.

[white willow]

Static lights would be way faster anyway

[silent zealot]

50% of their userbase is insane.

-# i made that stat up

[white willow]

I hate that they do but it's understandable

[tropic rampart]

yeah i wish they could do more advanced graphical stuff for current gen consoles and PCs

[white willow]

Mobile is like 60-70% of MCBEs population

[languid mirage]

The dev who usually talks here, mentioned a long time ago something about large pools of block light being able to cast shadows with some mentioned method.

Just said it’s not likely coming soon.

Maybe it will be with static lights.

He used lava and Glowstone as an example

[silent zealot]

Lava static light 🤤

[white willow]

Static lights 110% will not cast shadows

[silent zealot]

I just want them to prioritize the nether next.

[languid mirage]

I figured this.

[tropic rampart]

i think static light will improve the nether at least a bit

[languid mirage]

Caves IMO.

Nether can look pretty good with a resource pack.

[languid mirage]

That too.

[white willow]

Why? It would have to be a very special and custom type of light. A large radius point light

[tropic rampart]

lava, soul fire, soul lanterns, shroomlights being colorful will help

[silent zealot]

Nether just...sucks regardless.

[tropic rampart]

caves need dark fog

you should not see the bright skybox out of the edge of your render distance

when in a dark cave

[languid mirage]

But with the odd shapes of lighting etc. would that be possible?

[languid mirage]

What’s your render? I never have that issue.

But it 1000000% needs fog.
volumetric

[silent zealot]

I lowkey cannot find a game via google search that uses floodlight.

OH WAIT.

[thorn bison]

it's when your render distance is low

[white willow]

It wouldn't matter. It doesn't have to follow the shape. It would just be one big light roughly in the center

[tropic rampart]

on last gen consoles, max VV render distance is 12 chunks.
on Series S, it's 16.
both of those are enough to have a big enough cave go out of render distance.

[silent zealot]

nvm I left that discord.

[tropic rampart]

really even higher values can still go out of RD, just the higher it is, the less likely it is

[languid mirage]

But the way point lights currently work - the point light is visible.

That would look odd. Seeing the streak/elongated PL beside/through the lightning texture

[silent zealot]

There still is some bugs they need to iron out.

[languid mirage]

Omfg….
I’m so sorry lol.

I have series X and we get 28 chunk.

[white willow]

Yea floodfill lighting is like a Minecraft thing lol

[tropic rampart]

I don't even know why series S is only 16 when it was 24 when VV was in preview

and 24 was fine

[languid mirage]

We had 24 then 28.

[tropic rampart]

series S configs as a whole are odd and need improving

[languid mirage]

Clearly lol

[tropic rampart]

reflections here are worse than on PS4

pleas mojang

[languid mirage]

Sheesh

[tropic rampart]

i almost wonder if they forgot the series S is current gen

or if they just got confused by Xbox' naming scheme

[silent zealot]

Ah found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaaFUflusk

[languid mirage]

Probably confused themselves

[silent zealot]

Assuming static light is akin to this...I hope it's only for lava tbh.

[tropic rampart]

why?

[silent zealot]

pfft

Because it just doesn't suit other blocks imo.

[long ruin]

[silent zealot]

Lava gives off that feeling of the above whereas like torches or other blocks...ehhh

I just cannot wait for coloured lighting to stop being experimental.

[tropic rampart]

i think it'd be really nice for froglights

[silent zealot]

I checked out Starfish's VV packs using them and oh my God I love them.

[silent zealot]

You just made that block up.

[white willow]

Very likely will be like this. It's quite a cheap and logical idea

[tropic rampart]

no the frogs did

[silent zealot]

That's literally what he said in that video lol.

[thorn bison]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Froglight

[silent zealot]

You just made that link up.

[tropic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-microsoft-frogs-frog-pc-gif-3672838029010351357

[silent zealot]

I guess then yeah, full blocks would work with floodlights.

I mean...the files are already saying full blocks use floodlightrs.

[white willow]

Lmao. Haven't watched it but funny

[thorn bison]

the minecraft wiki don't lie

[tropic rampart]

yeah, full blocks use static_light, non-full blocks use pointies

the question is whether the non-full blocks use both or only the pointy ones.

[white willow]

I kinda hope static lights can influence normals

They won't but

I can pray

[silent zealot]

Erm actually.

☝️ campfires use static light, they're non full blocks.

And so does firefly bush.

[white willow]

[tropic rampart]

oh amethyst too i guess.

[silent zealot]

Remind me again, the strength of coloured lighting is based on light level yes?

[white willow]

Probably

Point lights I believe are too

[silent zealot]

And fire, enchanting table, portal, all amethyst things, cave vines, sculk sensor

☝️ Checkmate Pout.

Yeah I change my mind then.

[white willow]

I honestly really hope they like hybrid point/static. currently point lights fallback to vanilla. I hope point lights will fallback to the colored static light when out of range or at the border I pray

[silent zealot]

I would love to see them on other blocks besides lava.

[tropic rampart]

i mean, playing with java shaders it looks good even with partial blocks having colours imo

[silent zealot]

And in English?

[silent zealot]

Average lighting in a gamer's room.

[tropic rampart]

pointy lighty should colour when non pointy colour is lighty

[white willow]

So at the edges of point lighting you see the bland basic light color. I hope they replace that with colored light that matches the point light so it's consistent

[silent zealot]

Is there a pic or video? I have not touched VV in so long.

🥀 One day I'll revive my VV pack.

[white willow]

I don't have one on me no. I don't really work in preview anymore

[languid mirage]

But campfires just like Lanterns - work perfectly with PL.

Even though you would think the light is blocked.

But Campfires don’t work with them.

[silent zealot]

Stinky Marketplace partner.

[white willow]

This

Thanks pout

[silent zealot]

Ah I see.

I was thinking of render distance.

[tropic rampart]

point lights are at their best when they're behind tinted glass so you ONLY get the point light

[white willow]

Eh I did it even before, cuz integrating preview features into my personal pack wasn't a good idea cuz majority of people are on release. I'd rather support majority than break things for the minority

[silent zealot]

They should also fix waves on flowing water.

[white willow]

I agree but it is very hard to do. In my own journey of waves reflections got inverted on flowing water 💀

[languid mirage]

Fix flowing water visibility

[tropic rampart]

this is a thing i hope they never change. tinted glass removing block light but letting point light through.

[white willow]

So it's fair it's disabled for flowing water

[silent zealot]

*Fix water

The fact they haven't fixed water not being proper until you reload a world is crazy.

I know Al3xis kept crying each time she saw her waters be broken.

[white willow]

Also there's like no surface highlight so it's so hard to see sometimes

[languid mirage]

They just need to make block light coloured WITH point lights or remove it altogether.

Block OR point.

[silent zealot]

For a project at SF, I didn't even know we had custom water 😂 until I saw her screenshots.

[tropic rampart]

i think colored block light with point lights, but also still don't fix this.

[white willow]

Was she using editor?

Cuz editor is borked

[silent zealot]

I don't think she even knows that exists.

[tropic rampart]

because even with colored block light, this wouldn't look as good

as it does with JUST the point light

[white willow]

I haven't had issues with water in VV outside the editor

[silent zealot]

We just had some hiccups at SF with VV in general.

[languid mirage]

But then what’s the point?

Your example SS looks like PL spread is nearly identical to Blocklight.

[silent zealot]

The fact that water doesn't load properly until you reload?

[white willow]

That only happens if you load VV from vanilla

If you are in VV already it's fine

Just have VV on in the main menu

[tropic rampart]

if this had block light and point light, the entire room would be lit up

[silent zealot]

That's still a big issue.

[white willow]

Oh I agree

[silent zealot]

You know how annoying it is for marketing?

[white willow]

RTX also has really bad problems with that

[languid mirage]

Which is why my ideal scenario is Point or block.

Not both.

[silent zealot]

RTX mentioned, interest depleting.

[white willow]

If you load RTX in a world from vanilla, the whole world will be shiny 💀

[tropic rampart]

the problem there is you're sacrificing gameplay clarity. Point light alone means you can't tell what light level a block has.

[white willow]

And PBR doesn't load

[languid mirage]

Anyone know what Point lights are ?

It’s not Path traced ?

[languid mirage]

Yes but if spread is made to be very similarly to Vanilla - ignoring shadows it won’t matter

[white willow]

Point lights are small directional lights. They usually have their own shadowmaps and are basically treated like tiny suns

[languid mirage]

So no way for real ambient light?

[white willow]

They are not path traced

In VV at least

RTX has path traced point lights though

[tropic rampart]

but i like being able to direct the lights :3
this with vanilla spread wouldn't work. But if you have just point light and no separate block light, then areas of this room that are completely dark wouldn't actually be light level 0.

[white willow]

No not usually. In unity, you can bake point lights which allows them to contribute to indirect lighting through baked global illumination

[silent zealot]

🤤

I love purple lighting even though that is white.

[languid mirage]

Kinda poopy.

Would be nice to see atleast some ambient contribution from the point lights.

This way shadows weren’t 100% black without any block light.

[white willow]

Point lights also usually have a "radius" a max radius determines how far they reach, and the min radius determines the maximum distance for perfectly sharp shadows. And shadows usually get softer as they reach the max radius

Mojang don't implement that second part though. I don't think they even have filtering right now

VV point lights will always be 100% sharp for now

Hope they change that

[tropic rampart]

i wonder when we'll see point lights and static light in release

[white willow]

Lemme load up unity rq

[tropic rampart]

or even static light in preview

[languid mirage]

Maybe if the floodfill was still there but made to be extremely faded compared to the intensity of the PL.

That might complement the shadows better and simulate some ambient.

[white willow]

I think the point light thing will be better if the floodfill lighting matched the point light color

[tropic rampart]

yeah
but i still hope the tinted glass thing doesn't get fixed for when you want just the point light visible

[languid mirage]

But if intensity is the same, shadows would be invisible

[white willow]

Tinted glasses removed light level so if static lights use light level(which they def will) it should work the same

[languid mirage]

So no shadows directly on the block that the PL touches

[white willow]

floodfill light is already darker than the point lighting

so shadows would still exist

im loading up a game engine real quick to show off what point lights could be like in the future tho!

uh uhuh.. cool i dont care lmao

[fluid holly]

i dont understand why they dont just implement device based features tho like how ray tracing is only available on pc i dont see why they cant make certain things for more capable devices that are toggle-able

[silent zealot]

Because Better Together means...Better Together. They're campaigning hard on Vibrant Visuals and that means all platforms that support it should be in parity. Same experience.

[sonic canopy]

Many games use something similar to floodfill but much fancier, it's called light propagation volume

[silent zealot]

Will search that up later.

[languid mirage]

As long as flood-fill has color and shadows are still clear.

I’d love the two combined.

[languid mirage]

This could be nice. Although a quick search says it can be pretty taxing especially at high resolutions. Not great considering MC defaults to 4k on consoles (idk about mobile)

[silent zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNBo4N_RWaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9MbdgJkq9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-Wh89y9XA

[languid mirage]

That’s actually insane.

Even just the world lighting being like that instead could be insane.

Caves would look so much better with holes exposing skylight.

[sonic canopy]

Some screenshots from a java shader that was implementing this technique. It was never finished afaik, hence why screenshots are WIP

One technique gives you: colored lighting, AO, shadows, GI, volumetric lighting, world space reflections

[languid mirage]

I wonder why this wasn’t implemented or if it was even considered.

[white willow]

mix of point lights with various shadow softness tweaks. image 4 is using raytraced shadows, the rest are PCSS. Im hoping point lights in VV could have shadowing like this 🙏

i pray for PCSS honestly

PCSS vs Ray traced. its honestly spooky how good PCSS is

[languid mirage]

Literally looks identical imo.

I only notice the shadow cast from the closest pillar to the light, is more sharp and visible in the first image.

Maybe not closest to light - but farthest from camera

[white willow]

PCSS has some biasing issues in this image where as raytracing is perfect. but its a really good option

[languid mirage]

If point lights could get THAT good - id be in heaven

[white willow]

i want PCSS sun shadows

PCSS sun shadows would give a variable softness. so something like this. (PCSS are essentially a raytraced shadow approximation anyway but yea(

so a smaller object like tall grass, would have nice and sharp shadows, where taller things like this would variably get softer

[languid mirage]

That would definitely up the quality of world shadows

[white willow]

in java shaders the option is usually called variable penumbra shadows

PCSS is more expensive but its so good

[quasi trench]

it actually looks pretty gucci

[wise hinge]

🔥 🔥

[thorn bison]

no more milk

[wise hinge]

no more grey waterrrr

[daring jewel]

let gooo

no static light but better than nothing

[wise hinge]

oh

kelp block dithering

[daring jewel]

sideeye

[quasi trench]

sea foam is gone?

[silent zealot]

They updated the water in the materials index.

#1435308343202676880 message

[white willow]

It was never sea foam

It was a bug

[quasi trench]

it’s just what the bug looked like

very rudimentary though

[white willow]

It looked ok in some cases and bad in others

[quasi trench]

yeah i didnt think cave foam made much sense

[languid mirage]

Brrrrrrroooooooooooooooooooooooo

Static lights where 😭

[sweet garnet]

I'm glad they're doing something about the water bug. Unfortunately though I'm still seeing it - the opaque areas seem to be inset by one block now, so they only appear when there's at least one block of margin in the blocks above causing the shadow. It's an improvement, but I'm disappointed that it's still mostly there.

I discovered recently that setting the sky color in client_biome.json to black eliminates the water shading issue completely. I wish we could do that but only impacting water reflections.

[white willow]

Its unfortunate cuz its quite an issue but setting it to black is not ideal cuz then shadows are uh... yea

[sweet garnet]

Yep, exactly, not workable sadly. But at least it indicates that it should hopefully be fairly easy for them to implement a full fix.

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

thanks for fixing.

thanks.

[sonic canopy]

Maybe that changelog entry about opaque water wasn't referring to this

[wise hinge]

eh

[quick nymph]

💀

[thorn bison]

mb it was referring to how water breaks if u switch from fancy to vv in a world

[reef marsh]

Hi, I have a question: does Fog still not work without RTX? I've tried using the method I used before, but it just doesn't seem to work

[quick nymph]

There is fog in VV and even default MC

[dusky lagoon]

https://youtu.be/73j1ErcLDXs?si=vbbEWgLtkmjoM-hH

Fake or real

[thorn bison]

some of the footage looks sped up

but otherwise it looks like it could be real

[reef marsh]

I can't get it to work, I'll keep trying, thanks

[thorn bison]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/foginresourcepacks?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[reef marsh]

Already readed

[thorn bison]

are you trying to get it to work in vanilla or vv?

[quasi trench]

the loading footage was sped up to make it seem like it works, sus

[tribal trail]

what a lovely night time

[quick nymph]

The loading is sped up lots and I'm wondering whether the actual game is recorded on mobile because we can't see controls or hotbar to know also the same for the settings menu.

[quasi trench]

even then, we all saw that fake MCRTX on mobile video

[white willow]

sunset

[wise hinge]

rtex

[deft cradle]

Artex

[wise hinge]

Alexistex

[wise hinge]

fog

[white willow]

i was playing in 4K too

[wise hinge]

🔥

[blazing whale]

I wish Mojang would fix the fog position at night because it's really weird to see the fog upside down at night.

[thorn bison]

wdym upside down?

[blazing whale]

Sorry my English is not good, I mean "the position of the fog does not match the moon"

[sonic canopy]

Huh? It looks fine to me

[tribal trail]

fog position always match the moon?

i never had mismatched fog

[blazing whale]

Thanks for the information , I think it should be in sync with the moon.

[wise hinge]

Did you make a bug report in mojira?

[blazing whale]

And my laptop can run VV with DX11 🗿

[thorn bison]

what is happening with those cloud reflections

[blazing whale]

maybe because of DX11

[tribal trail]

so lovely omg 🥹

[ruby sluice]

Yeah this isn't supposed to happen

[wise hinge]

[deft venture]

Guys,how can i make translucent emmisive entity?

Using vibrant visuals

Whenever i apply emissive it translucency making it look like fully colored entity

[languid mirage]

Translucence isn’t supported in VV.

[viscid moth]

are there emissive materials for blocks

[viscid moth]

got it just had to add face_dimming and ao and set it to false

[wise hinge]

0° real

[cobalt tundra]

Anyone try colored point lights? I followed the documentation and have the latest version but am getting “unsupported version: no parser available for version 1.21.120”

[white willow]

Yea but they are only functional in preview

[white willow]

This error will only pop up if you aren't on 1.21.120

Errr nvm no

They got changed

You need a local_lights folder now instead

[languid mirage]

Broken light rays?

[wise hinge]

it's been broken for 100 years

[silent zealot]

IM GOING INSANE

I NEED HOT RELOADING AND MANIFEST V3 SUPPORT SO I CAN EASILY COMPARE THE TONE MAPPERS

Unless....

I make 5 different packs so I can launch 5 different instances

IM COOKING

[silent zealot]

Nvm GOAT EDITOR MODE

[silent zealot]

It's been a while...the expected keyframes content error is so useful (sarcasm)

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

Because I set orbital offset degrees to -23.5

[jagged badge]

https://tenor.com/view/seymour-skinner-the-peanuts-steamed-hams-devilish-delightfully-devilish-gif-15950427

[wise hinge]

[silent zealot]

Color gradfing keyframes when.

[blazing whale]

i think look like solace

[silent zealot]

The biggest issue is I cant make this only a specific time of day.

[sonic canopy]

Keyframed color grading is probably not that common in java shaders

[silent zealot]

Unfortunate.

I love keyframes everything.

I cant think of how else to achieve the result I had for onyl sunrise

[sonic canopy]

You also have to keep in mind that it'd change visuals indoors which might look weird

[silent zealot]

Manifest v3 when

[sonic canopy]

Molang support in VV when 😔

[silent zealot]

Precisely, paired with manifest v3.

[sonic canopy]

If color grading supported molang, you could technically animate it the same way as if you had keyframes

[silent zealot]

shudders

[silent zealot]

Moalng to support indoor and outdoor!!!

[sonic canopy]

If only we had light level queries

[silent zealot]

shudders server-graphics

[sonic canopy]

Ah yes, behavior pack to solve all the problems with resource packs

[silent zealot]

That's the only way I can think of to solve my keyframes problem if RP doesnt support keyframes.

[sonic canopy]

I know of another... custom shudders, shudder support, shudders in resource packs, please please please plea

[silent zealot]

I recently learned of https://modrinth.com/mod/polytone while this is a RP general thing...it still be nice.

[sonic canopy]

Java recently received some keyframing capabilities in resource packs for things like sky color, would be cool if bedrock had the same in fancy graphics (without VV)

[silent zealot]

Yeah, timelines.

It goes for beyond more than that, but still reinforces we need more keyframes.

[graceful iron]

Looks like you applied a sepia tone effect to the game lmao

[viscid moth]

does points lights work for custom blocks yet?

nvm it works

[tribal trail]

I like the subtle wink in that emoji

[tribal trail]

Why, how and why

[wise hinge]

[silent zealot]

Just like atmospherics

Becuase more keyframes support good. Vibrant day, greyscaled night

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

how has this sorcery been performed

[hollow timber]

https://tenor.com/view/skyfighters-httyd-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-26049698

[finite dome]

this is exactly what i thought of when i see that 😭

[wise hinge]

uhhh it's 5am but finally static light !?
waaa

[silent zealot]

Chedck the media tab in #1437846663082410016

[wise hinge]

[long ruin]

Is the new static light stuff only for VV? Or for base as well?

[silent zealot]

VV.

[long ruin]

Sigh

[wise hinge]

ah okay

uhh light emission block component? by behavior pack?

[languid mirage]

That only changes the REACH of the lighting.

Not the brightness or intensity of the lighting.

[wise hinge]

ik lol
I was wondering where I should put those light components on

[wise hinge]

experiments with static light! :3

[white willow]

Static lighting does in fact, look very good

[wise hinge]

I've been dreaming of lava having colored light(which doesn't burn gpu) in vv
Thanks mojang

[tribal trail]

why would they update fancy graphics if vv is default now

[mossy verge]

Actually they are updating it much more rapidly rn
Custom shaders break every preview cycle
Although there is no visible difference

[tropic rampart]

I mean, VV doesn't exist on the switch, and doesn't run well on PS4, Xbox One, and some lower end PCs.

[tribal trail]

even if it doesn't run well it's default

[wise hinge]

waiting for
refraction
border fog
ssao
milky water fix❤

[viscid moth]

milky waater?

wdym

[tribal trail]

border fog?

[thorn bison]

sometimes water turns white if the sky isn't directly above it

[tribal trail]

also no rain customization?

[viscid moth]

lmfao we forgot about rain 💀

rain gotta be bottom 3 on a list of priorities

[viscid moth]

i thought that was a reflection bug

[mossy verge]

It is. Sky reflections don't render when it's not directly under sky

[tribal trail]

• refraction
• fxaa
• ssao
• rain customization
• milky water fix
• waving blocks
• clouds customization
• fog density key frames

we NEED that

refraction, fxaa and ssao we really need

[wise hinge]

clouds transparency when

shadow distance slider when

clouds tallness control when

sky light keyframe when

[tribal trail]

thats what i also meant under clouds customization

[tribal trail]

we don't hate it right now?

[wise hinge]

vv clouds are too thin

[wise hinge]

am i blind?

[tribal trail]

yes

[silent zealot]

MORE KEYFRAMES

[tribal trail]

i need keyframes for my life

[sweet garnet]

Weather customization is probably my #1 priority - right now whenever it starts raining, it looks as if VV has been disabled. I still need there to be some directional lighting. Milky water is my second priority.

[tribal trail]

My priority is refraction and fxaa

[white willow]

Best you can do rn is tweak volumetrics during rain to at least feel a little better

[tribal trail]

I hate pixelated edges

[white willow]

But it's terrible

[woven mauve]

My Xbox One runs VV fine

Maybe silicon lottery idk

[sonic canopy]

I'm having a hard time believing this is bedrock... It is bedrock, right?

[wise hinge]

yup

[sonic canopy]

Just a VV pack?

[wise hinge]

yea

[sonic canopy]

Looks very nice, very shader-like

[wise hinge]

thanks!

[white willow]

static lighting be making a difference lol

[wise hinge]

true

[quick nymph]

My eyes are officially dead

[blazing whale]

🗿

I will revise it later

[wise hinge]

holy saturation

[blazing whale]

fixed

low saturation and contrast

[glossy quest]

And global Illumination

[wise hinge]

pinkness

[tribal trail]

I love ink

[wise hinge]

💖

[tropic rampart]

I wish we could have different light colour intensity depending on the light level of the block. Specifically for candles

like, the single candle, which is normally a very dim light, produces a very strong static light right now

with fancy, the light the single candle produces is much more subtle. with VV, it's pretty much equal to the strongest candle level, just covering a smaller area

[silent zealot]

Hence why I asked for the separation of light emission with the intensity.

Desparately need.

and also block state support when

[sonic canopy]

I think it still follows the same brightness gradient in VV, but you don't notice because of tonemapping

Maybe it'll be more noticeable with aces, as it tends to show bright colors more distinctly

[sonic canopy]

How would that work? For gameplay reasons block light spread will have to be kept the same as in vanilla

[silent zealot]

You can already make gameplay unplayable using VV

[tropic rampart]

i mean, i think default VV (which, for the most part this is. I just added colours to candles for this pack) doesn't follow it as much.
You can see in fancy that the light for the low level candle is very dim, while in VV it isn't at all.

[silent zealot]

OHHH

I figured out why Glow Lichen is so intense in VV coloured light...it's because if you turn off VV it has the same light spread. They really don't want Coloured Lighting to affect gameplay.

[sonic canopy]

Sure you could if you intentionally break it, but most VV packs don't. I think it'd be confusing to light up builds at night for example, if visual light emission from blocks doesn't line up with their internal light spread as considered by the engine. You could make an argument that RTX doesn't care about vanilla block light and people are using it just fine during gameplay, but at the same time I bet some people aren't using RTX precisely because it makes gameplay more difficult and mojang might not want to drive away people from VV

[tropic rampart]

black static light looks interesting

[silent zealot]

but most VV packs don't
That's not a good counterargument. Let creators be able to decouple it. Most packs won't use it

[sonic canopy]

What's the scenario where that would help with visual fidelity?

[silent zealot]

Make glow lichen less intensive as well as the candles.

[sonic canopy]

You could try balancing it, decrease the brightness of block lights by: 1) decreasing exposure via color grading and 2) boosting sunlight and atmosphere brightness by the same amount, to make sure the world looks the same as before

As a result, you'll end up with overall decreases brightness of block lighting and emissive surfaces

[sonic canopy]

Can you not achieve the same thing (adjusting brightness) by editing light colors?

[tropic rampart]

candles have 4 light levels, based on how many candles are in a block.

[silent zealot]

Block states for candles do prevent that yes.

[tropic rampart]

1 candle should be very dim while 4 candles should be bright

right now, both 1 and 4 are bright

(and 2 and 3)

[silent zealot]

However, I still want lichen to be a specific colour near the center but have sharp falloff.

[tribal trail]

it's not , it's same brightness for every light source

[pale urchin]

So if you do #000000 it's white?

Though the light falloff definitely doesn't look right

[tribal trail]

I have to test it but changing color to be darker was not doing anything for me

[pale urchin]

Didn't see this

I think the light intensity is a consequence of the light fall off not going down as intended

A problem that existed prior to coloured static lights

[tribal trail]

before static light light fall off was weird but still better than now

[pale urchin]

But that "black" light does suggest something else is in play as well. Better make a bug report @tropic rampart