Graphics General

[true tree]

stil no black sky fix on latest update🗿

[silent zealot]

Didn't the changelogs say it's fixed on Android?

[white willow]

It's fixed in latest previews

It should be at least

Yea

[ornate hollow]

I happy

No black sky

[quasi trench]

Note: We are aware of an issue where the sky appears white in its place instead

[true tree]

a new prblem arise

black terain and crash when loading world

bruh

i think minecraftis ragebaiting me

[tropic rampart]

look, you had a choice, either the sky is black or the ground is.

you chose the ground.

[long ruin]

I choose... both

[sonic canopy]

Vibrant Visuals in HDR

(works only on windows GDK preview; HDR display required)

1. Download reshade https://reshade.me/#download (make sure to download "ReShade with full add-on support")
2. In the reshade installation, choose C:\XboxGames\Minecraft Preview for Windows\Content\gamelaunchhelper.exe as the executable to install reshade into. Don't choose any extra add-ons or shaders during installation
3. Download AutoHDR64.addon file from https://github.com/MajorPainTheCactus/AutoHDR-ReShade and place it in the C:\XboxGames\Minecraft Preview for Windows\Content folder
4. Install the provided material.bin file
5. Launch the game, press home to open reshade menu, in the reshade add-ons tab expand the AutoHDR settings and enable HDR
6. Enjoy Vibrant Visuals on your HDR display :)

[long ruin]

W

[sonic canopy]

This version does color grading in P3 color space, so you can use color grading to make more vibrant colors and make more use of your wide color gamut displays

Both materials support custom color grading configs but don't support tonemappers or gamma

[sonic canopy]

Oh, I forgor to compile to other shader models besides 6.5. If the above versions don't work, this one should

With P3 color grading

[sonic canopy]

HDR screenshots of Vibrant Visuals (playing with the method described above)

[deft cradle]

@wise hinge

how you get point lights working on copper torches

[wise hinge]

I've never tried that..? lemme find the name

okay this

[deft cradle]

where you find

[wise hinge]

blocks.json (got from bedrock samples)
then i added "minecraft:copper_torch"
which should work, but it outputted an error bruh

[deft cradle]

oh i thought it was through internal files

[wise hinge]

oppps

mnecraft

[deft cradle]

where that 😅

[deft cradle]

nice sunset/sunrise

[languid mirage]

Still waiting for Static lights to be implemented.

And they better interact with volumetric fog.

[hearty seal]

Why do reflections disappear when I use a custom texture pack with a custom deffered pack

[deft cradle]

your answer is you using a custom texture pack

[hearty seal]

I see

[cold vortex]

Thx

[thorn bison]

oof

[wise hinge]

woof

[blazing whale]

cat vibrant

[long ruin]

vibrant meows

[wise hinge]

hi, my name is dog

[quasi trench]

you can always go into files and increase the max yourself

whether it’ll run or not is a different story

[graceful iron]

[wise hinge]

ThatsDrDog

[wise hinge]

w

[viscid moth]

what is the code for btw
i've never seen temperature field in deferred

[wise hinge]

makes the scene warmer/cooler

[thorn bison]

what does the resource pack look like?

[viscid moth]

interesting
i'm gonna take a look at the docs

[wise hinge]

can't check cuz im in bed

[viscid moth]

i don't think the updates even out yet on platforms

[thorn bison]

sleep well (or wake up well)

[white willow]

Gonna take a look in a few

[wise hinge]

1am

[graceful iron]

I think it’s just a point lights thing right?

[sonic canopy]

Yes

As well as static lights

[fading kindle]

[wise hinge]

ah

[viscid moth]

wtf when was static lights added

we going static

[sonic canopy]

They added it in json but not in the game yet

[viscid moth]

bruh

[thorn bison]

what's the difference between static & point lights

[viscid moth]

ehm so like do we have example to look

[sonic canopy]

Nope

[viscid moth]

:they are breaking my heart

[sonic canopy]

We don't know exactly yet, but static lights will likely be similar to colored lighting via floodfill

[thorn bison]

so basically normal lights but with colour

[white willow]

Is it just me or do point lights look better than usual

[pale urchin]

ye

[wise hinge]

looks normal to me

[graceful iron]

How are static lights likely going to work?

What’s the difference between static lights and point lights anyways

[pale urchin]

scroll up

Veka explained

[viscid moth]

i'm assuming that arcane is right
basically

[graceful iron]

Ah, mb. Accidentally skipped past those messages

[viscid moth]

they can take away point lights if we get these ngl

[graceful iron]

That’s interesting tho…
It’d be kinda weird if static lights were something that are confined to exclusively VV tbh

[viscid moth]

I hope not

i don't think it would that performance taxing for fancy graphics

[graceful iron]

I mean VV is supposed to be how “Minecraft is supposed to look” now right? I wouldn’t be surprised if that were to do that.

[viscid moth]

VV is supposed to be how “Minecraft is supposed to look”
idk about that i really hate VV color grading style

i would rather play with vv off then on

[wise hinge]

I hope static light doesn't make the glow lichen invisible

[viscid moth]

lmfao

[silent zealot]

We should kill glow lichen

[wise hinge]

[viscid moth]

2d blocks when light system updates

[graceful iron]

True, but I thought it was said that they were planning on changing it somewhat soonish?

idk why they chose generic over other options like Hable tho

[viscid moth]

yeah but truth be told
they are going for VV is the official look
when I see how they market and the trailers

[white willow]

Tbh generic isn't that bad it's just they are over compensating for hue-shifting

[thorn bison]

because like that they can control colour curves

[graceful iron]

it’s definitely not a good tonemapper tho lol, at least with its current config

[white willow]

The tonemap is as it says generic

[graceful iron]

it can definitely be much improved

Fair enough lol

[white willow]

They are just over compensating for an issue

[graceful iron]

mmmm

orang.

[white willow]

That's less the tonemap and more their sun color choices

[graceful iron]

yeah

[white willow]

It feels like they are trying to make it look like the trailers but missed the mark big time

[graceful iron]

yeah

there’s definitely a bunch of weird stylistic choices all over the place in VV that don’t necessarily work the best

[thorn bison]

tbh i feel like caustics are too repetitive (replied to the wrong message 💀)

[graceful iron]

[wise hinge]

washed out visuals ✨

[graceful iron]

real

at least the MP packs are prob gonna be good

Prizma Visuals 2.0 or something like that

[thorn bison]

pov vv

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

[wise hinge]

hi alexa

[thorn bison]

hey alexa play never gonna give you up by rick astley /j

[graceful iron]

[sonic canopy]

RTX FIX

[thorn bison]

FIX?

what does that stand for?

[sonic canopy]

Fix

Fixed a bug

[thorn bison]

ah

[graceful iron]

COPPER TORCH GOT A POINTLIGHT???

they haven’t given up on RTX just yet

[sonic canopy]

Ikr, it's absolutely crazy

Maybe that points lights file can also affect RTX :0

[thorn bison]

don't ruin this for him 🙏

[sonic canopy]

Hmm

[graceful iron]

I can only hope 🙏

[earnest hatch]

Hello I don't know if pinging you is a crime here but I would like to bring up that it could potentially be an alternative solution to add it as a per-project toggle that can not be on by default? Like a config or something instead of a core component, that way it's an "optional" override

[tribal trail]

hii

[tribal trail]

hello

[limpid juniper]

Hello

[tribal trail]

hii

[earnest hatch]

Although iirc the feature itself is already this way, I am mostly referring to if people want it to be to specific things in their project and not force people to turn it off completely

[tribal trail]

I think i know you 🧐

[earnest hatch]

Hey what about me

[limpid juniper]

The twig

[silent zealot]

Mods, please ban the 3 above users.

[earnest hatch]

Ban Smokey too he's complicit in our activities

[graceful iron]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[long ruin]

[quasi trench]

vanilla pointlights no way

[iron moon]

Crispytwig appeared!?

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

Pixelated caustics

Initially from a blender render

[thorn bison]

how did you export the image file from blender?

[white willow]

Imma be honest I couldn't figure it out and had someone who did know how do it for me

Well ok

Partly a lie

You render the animation into separate frames

Then with a python script and some other stuff you can fuse it into an animated texture

That's the part I didn't do

You can technically do that part frame by frame by hand but it's annoying

[white willow]

Blender does that automatically when you just select to render an animated scene so like yea

[iron moon]

Look fucking awesome

[white willow]

thanks!

[fluid holly]

does anyone have a template vibrant visuals pack wanted to ask before i go thru the pain of setting one up 🙈

[white willow]

i have one thats mostly vanilla. it just doesnt have any per-biome stuff

[white willow]

pretty much untouched file with mostly vanilla VV configs. just missing per biome configs, but all biomes are tagged and linked to everything as necessary

[fluid holly]

thanks 🙏🏽

[trim bobcat]

Where do you get the mod sorry I’m new

[graceful iron]

The mod?

[trim bobcat]

Yes

[thorn bison]

which mod?

[trim bobcat]

Yk like a realistic shaders

Because I just want my Minecraft world look more realistic

[thorn bison]

those aren't mods, those are resource packs

[trim bobcat]

Oh

[thorn bison]

a good place would be curseforge or mcpedl

[trim bobcat]

Okay thanks

[thorn bison]

np

[quick nymph]

What's with the cool new gradient on the BAO logo and the YSS logo?

[long ruin]

halloween

[thorn bison]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-pumpkin-dancing-gif-4621441

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

oh color temp is still inverted

[sonic canopy]

How so?

[wise hinge]

Lower color temperature result in a cooler image; higher color temperature results in a warmer image

[sonic canopy]

ah yeah that's definitely incorrect then

[tribal trail]

it was just reverted to how it was before

[quasi trench]

china?

although it could just be custom skybox

but it looks too smooth

[white willow]

nah its a proper VV shader

recently released

[quasi trench]

whaaattt no way

now people can call it a shader and they won’t be so terribly wrong anymore

MLYX is my guess?

[white willow]

Nah

Something else

[quick nymph]

I think it's the one you have to buy off of youtube, I remember something very similar being talked about in the YSS server. I think it's called ADIN FE or smth

[quasi trench]

interesting

[pale urchin]

What's the shader called?

[thorn bison]

yep, found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqQQ9ZulgYA

[blazing whale]

New lighting!

[wise hinge]

[tropic rampart]

i think the "ultra" shadows for point lights probably could have slightly longer range.

point lights themselves actually render from quite far away now, but their shadows are still very short range

like you can see how far away i am and the point light is still visible, but for shadows you need to be 16 blocks away

this likely does help their performance, but i think "high" being this and "ultra" going further would be fine. (or even adjust it further or something idk)

[midnight moon]

How do I get better godrays

[thorn bison]

try increasing your fog density

[languid mirage]

I agree.

But there needs to be some fixes for shadow calculation first.

In lots of cases where there is 4 or more point lights - you get broken shadow and light propagation.

If shadow distance is to be increased - this issue needs to be resolved.

[still zenith]

We are still hard at work on point light tech 🙏 Improvements will come in time.

Glad to know that players still want it. 😀

[languid mirage]

Currently my favourite feature.

Super excited to see what static lights are like too.

[midnight moon]

And how do I do that

[tropic rampart]

Point lights are maybe the feature i'm most excited for because of how much more creativity they allow. Can't wait for them to be in stable (and really looking forward to static light)

[tribal trail]

What about refraction? 🥹

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

in your fog, under volumetric, turn up your "max_density" parameter

[midnight moon]

Here

[thorn bison]

ah, i thought you were referring to a deferred pack, not your base minecraft

i'm not sure how to do that by changing your base minecraft configs

[midnight moon]

Then what max density value would you recommend

[thorn bison]

values like 0.1-0.17 could work well

it depends on the sun brightness though, these values work well with relatively tame sun brightness

(or at least, these are the values i use in my pack)

[sonic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-reacions-gif-1469607253914926417

[wise hinge]

[tropic rampart]

playing with java shaders that make it so glass changes light colour, i really hope we can also do that once static_light is here...

especially since it seemingly doesn't actually impact the performance all that much

[silent zealot]

RTX did that didnt it or am I misremembering?

[thorn bison]

i think it did

[tropic rampart]

maybe idk
my PC cannot run rtx so i can't check :<

but it works really well so i hope they add it to VV.

putting light source blocks behind stained glass to get coloured light :3

[silent zealot]

Mines can.

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-super-man-theres-a-starman-there-gif-11906140510431067153

[thorn bison]

that makes two of us

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[long ruin]

that makes three of us

[wise hinge]

[languid mirage]

Ya it does.

RTX is truly the absolute best.

[languid mirage]

Point lights should be able to do this. And it would look a lot better because of how light spreads.

[tropic rampart]

both point lights and static lights ideally.

this pack just uses colored floodfill and makes it work with that

[languid mirage]

For sure. But I think for static lights - the implementation needs to be just right for it to look good.

Like for example - vanilla style flood fill just coloured would look okay.

But not as good as a better floodfill like complementary, bliss or photon.

[white willow]

Until you realize by default that colored property doesn't show up in reflection

Somehow they forgot to make it so colored glass transmission also gets reflected

How does that happen bruh 😭

These images are from default RTX

I know betterRTX at this point is basically the standard but

BetterRTX fixes this though

However a mod shouldn't have been needed for basic raytracing features to look as they should have

[tropic rampart]

I think the way this pack does it is good

it doesn't ever feel too far from what i'd imagine "vanilla with coloured light" should look like (especially given that this would be part of VV), but it does look significantly better than vanilla just because of the coloured light

i think slightly better than what we have now is actually good and would fit VV better.

[languid mirage]

I just think that the stained glass changing the colours of light looks odd with normal floodfill.

I’m not quite sure why exactly. It just seems odd.

The coloured floodfill for blocks on its own, looks okay. But when stained glass gets added and the colour changes it just doesn’t sit right with me.

[tropic rampart]

personally i think it works well. Plus, more importantly, it allows for a lot more creativity because you have easy access to those 16 colours.

if anything, to me stained glass not changing light colour at all feels more odd.

[languid mirage]

I think I just need to actually play with a shader that uses it to get a better feel for it.

Just imagining it in my mind, and seeing how RTX works, I can only really see it looking good and working well with more realistic light spread - similar to Point lights or actual RT/PT.

Obviously it must work well in-game to some extent since a lot of shaders have the option for it. Even with basic floodfill

[tropic rampart]

the shader i'm using here is "Just Colored Lighting".

made a server with some friends and we're all using it just to allow more fun stuff for builds.

[white willow]

I saw something that looked really cool

Lemme see if I can find it

It has to do with colored floodfill and glass

I'd imagine colored glass transmission would be done assuming translucents get added to the depth buffer/shadowmap

Why I say that is because in Java at least, you voxelize within the vertex stage of the shadow shader. Then you likely utilize the shadow color buffer to tint blocklight based on the source it's coming through

[languid mirage]

That’s cool looking 😂

I wonder how that would look with RTX

[white willow]

Probably terrible because of one reason

Irradiance cache updates

It would probably be very flickery and noisy

[white willow]

Basically what this does is it stores lighting information and dynamically caches it but reloads ok chunk data. But irradiance caching is cool because it basically simulates infinite light bounces and saves a lot of performance

Tbh a cache like that could be good for point lights

Mainly for caching point light shadow data and color info in large amounts

[white willow]

Also back to this. The IC in RTX is terrible

[languid mirage]

Is that not something that would be beneficial for the world lighting?

Maybe allow for ambient light. Instead of only direct lighting.

[white willow]

without global illumination its kinda pointless

[languid mirage]

🙏 Mojang please work on a high performance GI 🙏

[still zenith]

Tinted glass changing light color is such a hard (but also fun) problem 😫

Especially when you have tight memory and performance constraints.

And can't ray trace

[languid mirage]

Hold up.. What?!? 😂😭
No way lmao. I completely missed this.

[silent zealot]

Hard in general or hard in the context and environment of VV and the devices it supports?

[languid mirage]

I assume device support.

Java shaders got it done really well in terms of performance etc no?

Probably something to do with mobile etc. lower end devices

[languid mirage]

Would be a huge W if you guys could manage to get it working.

Especially since default RTX doesn’t even support it lol.

[white willow]

rtx does for direct lighting

indirect specular for whatever reason was skipped

[languid mirage]

Right, right.

If it managed to be done, on VV for block light etc. do you think it could be done for world lighting too?

[wise hinge]

grey water fix when

[still zenith]

Right? See how hard it is when even RTX doesnt support it? 😜

[wise hinge]

[iron moon]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[still zenith]

Is that a Belgian Malinois? So cute. 😍

[tribal trail]

What about refraction? 😔

[deft cradle]

😂

[tropic rampart]

Would be really fun if you do figure it out at some point, but yeah, i can see how it might be more difficult when you have to deal with mobile devices, (and the fact VV also has point lights while the java pack uses colored floodfill).

it allows for some very fun builds. It actually makes stained glass one of my favorite blocks in the game when playing with a shader that does this because of how much more can be done with it. This + stained glass having colored partial shadows (or whatever you'd call cloud shadows where you still have regular shadows under them) would do so much for VV if it could be figured out.

[thorn bison]

It could be a toggle in your settings that's off by default on lower-end devices? Not sure if this would work well though.

[wise hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-luther-king-last-speech-stare-gif-15422295264840222623

[languid mirage]

LOL!

I feel you though. Refraction effects for water is what I want most aside from the static light/lava etc. casting light.

[tribal trail]

I pray and manifest refraction every day

I may do tarot reading to know if and when they add it

[thorn bison]

what secrets have you discovered from your sacred reading

[languid mirage]

😂😅 might be a little much… but you do you lol

[humble drift]

Since when did Mojang start using Copilot to communicate

[iron moon]

Lol

[quasi trench]

well microsoft is their parent tbf

[glossy quest]

What about colored shadows?

[thorn bison]

& smooth point light shadows

[glossy quest]

[sonic canopy]

And shader support 🙏 😭

[pale urchin]

I think we can tell judging from the material.json stuff

Hope to see it real soon

[silent zealot]

H?m

[sonic canopy]

Probably referring to the fact that materials.index.json can now be loaded from RP

[silent zealot]

I see.

Seems like an oversight tnh.

[sonic canopy]

Maybe. But this content log error is definitely intentional, and it mentions material.bin files in resource packs #1182091012177399809 message

[languid mirage]

Honestly such a massive oversight.
They should change when you change the world shadows aswell.

[still zenith]

(No Copilot for this one. I just have 2 Malinois of my own and have a soft spot for them. 🐕😀)

[iron moon]

He's definitely AI

[thorn bison]

no question about it

[long ruin]

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

cubemap

small text real

[pale urchin]

From the looks of it, it just means you can change how the existing cubemap renders, but not the textures themselves

[thorn bison]

wait this is actually super cool

[sonic canopy]

Someone needs to test if cubemaps still render with incorrect vertical offset

[wise hinge]

cubemaps doc

[pale urchin]

Has anyone properly tried using this yet?

[wise hinge]

i tried

[pale urchin]

So what's it like?

[wise hinge]

with furzide's sky overlay

second is uhh before the night

glad that we keyframe ambient light illuminance, I set it around 0.05 at night

[white willow]

So they might be usable now?

I still don't think I'm gonna ever use one

However at least they don't look terrible

[white willow]

That looks decent

[wise hinge]

holy directional

[white willow]

Someone should try an HDRI

[hearty seal]

How does auto exposure effect it in the night

[pale urchin]

I don't know

Not my screenshots

[hearty seal]

Where’d u get em from

[pale urchin]

It doesn't say where on the bottom of the forward message?

[silent zealot]

No.

It only does for discoverable servers and servers you're in.

[pale urchin]

I see

[pale urchin]

Here. https://discord.gg/MQe2qr4B

[wise hinge]

[blazing whale]

now it is working as it should

[wise hinge]

nostalgia shader style clouds

[vague shoal]

You have awoken me.

[quasi trench]

holy moly

do the clouds actually move though

[thorn bison]

how did you get it so seamless? it doesn't even look like a cubemap

[languid mirage]

Literally the best Lava mer

[quasi trench]

actually lookin pretty nice

[languid mirage]

Auto exposure ruins it in some cases.

Way over exposes the texture, turning it white 😭

[simple tendon]

Day and night

[wise hinge]

sayama city -

[thorn bison]

what's the best way to make waves look less repetitive?

[white willow]

Really no good way. Lower frequency and octaves may help

I'd say higher sample width but that got nuked in preview

[sonic canopy]

So um.. how do you even add keyframes to VV configs in the editor mode? I can move them around and change colors but I can't figure out how to add or remove keyframes

[silent zealot]

Keyframe for VV is a terrible UX.

In editor mode.

[sonic canopy]

Yeah..

[white willow]

ive just

not used the editor

cuz that ui is pain

[quick nymph]

frfr

[tribal trail]

I use it when I do water

[thorn bison]

how? i thought the water was broken in the editor?

[thorn bison]

ty

[tribal trail]

it used to work

[thorn bison]

ah

[wise hinge]

broken for roughly 7 weeks

[thorn bison]

istg the editor is just gonna get worse and worse isn't it 😭

[wise hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1423022594411462767 is this vv thing

[thorn bison]

that's base & vv right?

[wise hinge]

I guess so

[tropic rampart]

o i didnt even see that

[analog totem]

???

im not even joined there

[midnight moon]

Can someone explain why I can't turn on vv in a modded world but I can create a new vanilla world where I can use vv

[tropic rampart]

some servers let you see them through forwarded messages

i think its public servers specifically idk

[thorn bison]

that shouldn't be happening

maybe the resource packs don't support pbr? but that's never stopped me from using vv

[midnight moon]

I can provide a screenshot if you want

[thorn bison]

that would help

[tropic rampart]

how i can't wait to be able to do this in bedrock (ideally vanilla vv bedrock) instead of having to use java shaders.

[thorn bison]

soon (hopefully)

i do think that those could use a bit less saturation/more brightness

[tropic rampart]

sadly vanilla VV will likely not do colored candles so i'll need a resource pack, which will be easy enough on PC, but is a problem when playing on console.

[thorn bison]

console players got it dirty when it comes to vv

[tropic rampart]

yeah. We need the editor on console.

the marketplace isn't even a solution here, because i'd want most things to be the same as vanilla VV

[thorn bison]

do you maybe have "allow in-game graphics mode switching" off?

[midnight moon]

The first screenshot is of the world without any addon or anything
And the second one is from the world that has add-on, etc

[thorn bison]

try joining the world with vv on

it might just be a problem of switching, not it being disabled

[tropic rampart]

tbh i like it being like this

makes the colours stand out more

[thorn bison]

fr

[tropic rampart]

which is great when going for a specific color scheme

[thorn bison]

i mean it's just personal preference

[thorn bison]

definitely

[tropic rampart]

the way this shader does it, they are stronger when you have more candles.

fewer candles will be more subtle

[thorn bison]

that's a cool touch

what's the shader called?

[tropic rampart]

Just Colored Lighting

it also does colored light through stained glass

[thorn bison]

ty

i'll give it a try

[tropic rampart]

been playing with it recently on a server with some friends

so we can do stuff with colored light

[midnight moon]

There won't be any trouble for uploading a screen recording

[thorn bison]

wdym?

that's super weird

it could be something to do with the fact you're on mobile

[midnight moon]

Maybe an addon is conflicting with vv

[thorn bison]

vv could be auto-disabling because of the add-on for performance

[thorn bison]

could be that too

[midnight moon]

I have 20 or maybe even more addons in that world how do I know which addon is creating that problem

[thorn bison]

that's a lot of add-ons

could be you have a really old add-on applied that breaks vv somehow

[white willow]

Marketplace worlds and texture packs do not allow VV to be used

At least at this time

[thorn bison]

is that why vv doesn't work on lifeboat & other featured servers?

[midnight moon]

I didn't use any marketplace addons tho

[white willow]

Well if you don't then it should work

It's only marketplace that disables it

[white willow]

Yes

[white willow]

I'm just pointing out that disables VV cuz people usually are and don't know that it disables VV

[midnight moon]

I think most of the addons i used were created for version 1.21+

[white willow]

Regular MP addons would be fine. But worlds/dynamic worlds/texture packs don't work

[midnight moon]

Is it possible to forcefully turn on vv

[tropic rampart]

i don't think so

which, i mean it makes sense given that VV does hurt performance

but also, it will limit maps that rely on VV allowing for a lot more

especially once colored lighting is fully implemented

[midnight moon]

Then should I report this bug or is it not a bug

[thorn bison]

it's probably a bug

sounds like it at least

[silent zealot]

Heads up, if your manifest min engine version is 1.21.120, you'll need to add the pbr capabilities to your manifest.

[thorn bison]

you actually NEED to add pbr capabilities or it won't work?

[silent zealot]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[thorn bison]

no, i was just surprised that it's necessary now

ig vv really is mc's new look

[silent zealot]

I'm guessing under the hood that we need MEV 120 AND PBR going forward since I know that older maps still disable it. I guess this is the method Mojang is validating.

[tropic rampart]

i wish older maps didn't disable it if you disable the locked settings.

like, okay, if you're playing on the default settings yes.
if you're already going into creative and messing with stuff, i don't think it matters if you have vv enabled?

[silent zealot]

Quite disagree, particles for example can be more detrimental in VV than non VV.

[tropic rampart]

yeah but if you're already saying "i don't care about the intended experience or if changing these settings might break stuff", why is VV the point where the game says no, that part cannot be changed?

at that point, that's the same as if you just went into creative and did that stuff yourself. Nothing needs to be designed with it in mind.

[silent zealot]

Stability/Performance is the issue here.

It's not about the intended UX, it's about whether or not it will crash your device.

[tropic rampart]

in that case

we need a "reduced particles" option already

why does java get it and bedrock doesn't :<

[silent zealot]

Because then that would ruin existing content.

[tropic rampart]

i feel like you can ruin existing content plenty using the existing settings.

given that, even on console, you can have 4 chunks render distance with fast lighting, no clouds, fast leaves, and everything on minimum
or you can have 36 chunks with fancy lighting and everything enabled

that's a completely different experience

[silent zealot]

"So let's add more ways to ruin existing content" is not the argument you should be gunning for.

[tropic rampart]

i mean, i think it's fine for maps to just recommend specific settings, or enable specific ones by default unless you disable the map-locked settings.

let locked settings be as accurate to the intended experience as possible (within limits of "leave people with some options to improve performance"), and unlocked settings do anything.

plus not having reduced particles option is annoying me in survival.

[tribal trail]

It’s vv?

I thought it’s rtx

[thorn bison]

looks a bit like rtx

is it just me or does it feel like fog density is higher at sunrise?

[tribal trail]

It’s just you

[thorn bison]

aw man

[tribal trail]

I wish that was the case

[thorn bison]

we need fog keyframes

that would be awesome

[tribal trail]

Yes

[graceful iron]

That’s VV

Honestly insane, but the angle was good enough for some crazy reflections ig

[simple tendon]

Banner of my

[thorn bison]

i've never seen a green moon

quite cool tbh

[simple tendon]

Yeh but i like it

I have so many screenshot of minecraft now with this shader

[thorn bison]

actually it's called a deferred pack

[simple tendon]

Here a blue one

[simple tendon]

To lazy to call it5 the full name

[thorn bison]

you can call it a vv pack instead

[simple tendon]

Hmm sure

[thorn bison]

because it can be very confusing to call it a shader instead of a deffered/vv pack

[simple tendon]

Is pretty funny making people confused in other words

[thorn bison]

alr then

you do you

just don't expect to always be understood

[simple tendon]

doesn't bother me

[tribal trail]

that's very outdated name since deferred technicall preview is called vibrant visuals now

imo "vv pack" is better name imo

or visual pack

[thorn bison]

i prefer "deferred pack" because that's the name of the pipeline, for me vv means base vv

[tribal trail]

for me vv means graphics mode

vanilla vv means base vv for me

[thorn bison]

🤷

mb it was bc i was introduced to vv packs as deferred packs

[tribal trail]

same, but i try to use new names to make people less confused

as "deferred" name is not in a game anymore, and it make people more confused

[tropic rampart]

let's just call it preview packs.

for maximum confusion

[thorn bison]

you're evil

i like it >:)

[simple tendon]

My people

[tribal trail]

😵‍💫

[thorn bison]

i'd make the dark bits brighter (for gameplay, otherwise it looks awesome)

[languid mirage]

Working on it.

Stuck on an issue with something not loading proper.

Fog etc won’t work and color gradings are inverted. 😭 I’m using white balance and have checked my fogs 100x

[thorn bison]

are you defining the fogs through the client biome files or the biomes_client.json?

[languid mirage]

Second. I’m Pretty sure

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

hmm

can you send the json?

[languid mirage]

Sadly not.

I gotta get an Ethernet cable for my laptop.

Currently using my Xbox 😂

I thought maybe I’m missing a damn “,” somewhere possibly. Visual Studio would help w that.

[thorn bison]

try changing your format version to 1.21.80

it's what i use and mine works quite well

(although i don't define my fogs in the client biome files)

[languid mirage]

I’ll check it out rn.

[thorn bison]

i think i've recreated the file:

{
"format_version": "1.21.70",
"minecraft:client_biome": {
"description": {
"identifier": "crimson_forest"
},
"components": {
"minecraft:fog_appearance": {
"fog_identifier": "hell:fog"
},
"minecraft:atmosphere_identifier": {
"atmosphere_identifier": "hell:atmospherics"
},
"minecraft:color_grading_identifier": {
"color_grading_identifier": "hot:color_grading"
},
"minecraft:lighting_identifier": {
"lighting_identifier": "hell:lighting"
}
}
}
}

vs code isn't highlighting any missing commas

[languid mirage]

Alright so, before - my warped forest/Soulsand valley would load my Color grading (even though thats inverted)

Now nothing works across all Nether biomes lol.

[thorn bison]

ah lol

definetely not that then

[languid mirage]

Atleast it’s finally consistent 😭 😂

[thorn bison]

and you're not getting any errors?

[languid mirage]

Oh, yeah.

Forgot to mention that. I have been getting the “at least one of your resource or behaviour packs failed to load”

So something is definitely wrong, somewhere.

[thorn bison]

nope, that happens to me every time i load into a modified world, nothing is ever actually wrong

[languid mirage]

Could’ve sworn that happens when there’s a syntax error

Prizma used to be fine - I would mess with stuff and sometimes cause that to happen

Imma test with Prizma glowing ores.

But I’m like 90% sure that error pop-up ingame is because of a syntax error.

[thorn bison]

idk because i've gotten that error for months without anything actually being wrong

you should compare your json with other packs, you might be able to spot the error

[languid mirage]

It just doesn’t read that .json any farther than where the error is.

And I have been with Prizma. All my format versions should be fine. Anything requiring to have a file name matching the biomes is correct etc.

The only possibility i could see now is just a basic syntax error

Alr.

I changed lush caves client biome to have an extra “,”

In the fixed classic textures pack. The pack has 0 issues or error pop ups.

If I am correct - there will be now.

Lemme create a new world for a second try

Syntax errors cause this…..

[languid mirage]

^ seems as though I am at-least a little bit correct lol.

[thorn bison]

yeah lol

idk why it happens to me without anything being wrong

[languid mirage]

🤷‍♂️ maybe something minor.

I know it happens with the latest Prizma v and I haven’t noticed anything wrong with that, either.

[languid mirage]

Imma double/triple check my color gradings to start.

There’s an obvious issue there. I’m using format v 1.21.9 which the docs say is the minimum. Also the same as what Prizma uses.

Yet even though I have a temperature type defined - AND the default if not defined is white balance (which I have defined)..

My temperature values result in inverted gradings.

That’s only supposed to happen if “color_temperature” is the type defined.

[silent zealot]

Are you doing 1.21.9 or 1.21.90? There is a huge difference. What is the content log?

[languid mirage]

“1.21.90”

Content log?

I’m editing the pack through my Xbox so I don’t get any logs etc.

Probably part of why I’m having such trouble pinpointing the issue.

No Ethernet cable for my laptop so it’s my only option atm.

[thorn bison]

you can edit packs through xbox?

[languid mirage]

Yup

[thorn bison]

that's really cool

[silent zealot]

You should.

[astral hatch]

What is Content Log?

The content log gives you live feedback for most errors that could occur while developing your add-on.

In Minecraft:

1. Go to settings
2. In the General section, select "Creator"
3. Enable Content Log GUI

For more information:
https://wiki.bedrock.dev/guide/troubleshooting.html#content-log

Oct 19, 2025, 12:02 AM

[silent zealot]

Did yiu turn them on?

[languid mirage]

Ouuu.

Nope 😅
I guess that would help, huh?

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[thorn bison]

yep. it'll tell you everything wrong with your pack (most of the time)

[languid mirage]

Good gawd

[thorn bison]

yeesh

that would explain it

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-super-man-theres-a-starman-there-gif-11906140510431067153

Bro has unlocked errors.

[thorn bison]

their life will be 5x better now

[languid mirage]

Easy fixes.

What is malformed input?

Another word for syntax error ?

[thorn bison]

value outside of acceptable range if i remember correctly

[languid mirage]

End dimension working fine now.

Just need to get hell fixed

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[languid mirage]

What could be causing this?

I have the .json files.

Everything is exactly the same as end dimension now, as far as I can tell.

Except obviously the file names.

So why is it not finding/seeing them?

Ex. “Cannot find atmosphere definition “mypack:hell_atmospherics””

yet I have my hell_atmospherics.json and the

“Identifier”: “mypack:hell_atmospherics”

[silent zealot]

This can be when your atmosphericz file is malformed.

[languid mirage]

I am getting a malformed input error.

@silent zealot how would I go about fixing that?

Wait so its layout is just bad? Is that what it is?

[silent zealot]

Its hard to tell without seeing code.

[languid mirage]

Best I can do..

I’ll try deleting and downloading fresh atmospherics.json to re edit if you can’t notice anything from that.

Values shouldn’t matter. I just copied Prizmas values for horizon and Rayleigh because I had no idea of a starting point.

So I’m sure those are all within acceptable range.

[silent zealot]

Broseph your hbs start and mie start is wrong.

[white willow]

Is that a reflection on the screen or is the sun bloom going through the tree 😭

[languid mirage]

L. Boutta reference docs

[languid mirage]

Tbh I don’t know.
Very likely a reflection though.

[white willow]

Yea it's seen on your other images

[languid mirage]

Got this crappy thing behind my chair

[white willow]

So it's just some light

[languid mirage]

👀 yeahh.. lol a ghetto one

[white willow]

Lmao

[languid mirage]

That light switch powers it too

[white willow]

Peak

My monitors have some kind of anti glare which is so nice

[sonic canopy]

You know what would be really cool? If bedrock reported which specific value is out of bounds and what is the acceptable range of values, instead of displaying a generic "failed to read XYZ file" content log

[silent zealot]

They do so for Blocks as far I remember. Would be cool to see this expanded! Items are the worst offender too.

[sonic canopy]

I'm struggling with this in VV, MS docs doesn't cover value range for all properties, so you kind of have to guess whether things will break or not if you used a specific value

Most of the value ranges seem to be sensible and you'd never exceed them in practice, but it'd be nice to know what they are exactly, without searching through all the possible values

[languid mirage]

Just like with how it told me I was missing “,” or “}”

Tell you a line and column and let you know it’s an unrecognized value or something.

[thorn bison]

i play in absolute darkness to avoid reflections 💀

[white willow]

Does anyone know if the blue channel of normals goes unused in bedrock? I've been working on new normals for my pack but in Java's LabPBR format which the blue channel isn't used and instead is used for texture ambient occlusion

Was wondering if I could just port them without issue

although I could just do the, f around and find out strat too

Cuz I've been working on some very crisp normals I wanna use in my packs

[sonic canopy]

It's definitely sampled from shaders, so it depends on whether bedrock pre-processes normals in any way. if you are going to test it, make sure to check both entities and blocks in case they are treated differently

[white willow]

Haven't done any entity normals with AO in Java yet but I'll def do one and check

Also alpha channel transparency wouldn't hurt anything would it?

Normals are only sampled as xyz I imagine

And not xyzw

[sonic canopy]

Yeah

Can someone with latest android or ios devices check if you can see HDR and/or vibrant colors in any images below? Whether in discord or when downloaded locally

[tribal trail]

Nope

Not on discord

[sonic canopy]

Even when viewer in full screen?

[tribal trail]

yes

wait, one is black

most are black

first 3 are vibrant

[sonic canopy]

First 3 in which message?

[silent zealot]

Only in open browser.

Works well on my desktop in the app if that matters to you as well.

It's just mobile having issues.

[sonic canopy]

That's good to know, being able to view HDR screenshots directly in discord is definitely way better than downloading or doing any other extra steps like to view .avif images

[quasi trench]

some started out as black, others were just super dark, some still greyscale-ish, some became vibrant

weird stuff

[sonic canopy]

How does this one look like tho?

[long ruin]

First image shows

[mossy verge]

All of these work

[mossy verge]

Only first 2 here

[wise hinge]

red birch

[white willow]

Early look into porting my custom sky model to raytracing (it's very broken and colors aren't correct right now)

[quasi trench]

still very interesting

[white willow]

Problem

The original sky model right

Uses a custom built keyframe system based on the world time

However I've done digging and I can't find anything in the RTX pipeline for counting the world clock

So I've been fighting with options to get it working but it's hard cuz quite frankly

I'm not that good with shaders

But assuming I can get these problems sorted out. This is what we will have for the most part

Plus it'll be very customizable

[sonic canopy]

Yeah looks like you have to enable temperature in the default config and choose temperature type (white balance or color temperature) there and it'd apply to the whole pack. So you can't mix white balance and color temperature in per-biome configs, all color grading configs must use the same temperature grading type

Similar to how you must use the same tonemapper. Ig the game just can't interpolate between different temperature grading types when switching biomes

[sonic canopy]

Question to you, were you editing the default or per-biome config? As that could be due to what I described above ^

[wise hinge]

I was editing per-biome config

Color temperature in the default config works as it should be

[sonic canopy]

That probably means there is a mismatch between temperature grading type in default vs per-biome configs

[languid mirage]

got it sorted. Although I will say temperature type doesn't need to be defined unless you want inverted grading. White balance is type default when not defined as per MS docs

[sonic canopy]

technically white balance is the inverted one

Color temperature in VV works in the same way as hot objects irl glow. The hotter the object is, the colder the light it emits

[languid mirage]

not what I read on docs? I swear I checked multiple times lol. My issue for grading was old format which didn't take kelvin values & was automatically inverting grading.

[sonic canopy]

The docs are wrong, VV does the opposite of what the docs say

[languid mirage]

?. Docs say white balance = Higher value colder temperature just as typical home lighting... Thats also what im using now & observe the same thing.. so are you sure docs are wrong?

ex. 2500 k. Is a very warm color similar to HPS street lamps

[languid mirage]

genuinely confused

[sonic canopy]

What temperature type do you have in global color grading config and in per-biome configs?

[languid mirage]

White balance in all.

[sonic canopy]

What mc version are you on?

And do you have temperature grading enabled in the global config?

[languid mirage]

1.21.114 & 1.21.130 ...... And yes.. The temperatures I set - work as I expect them too

[sonic canopy]

1.21.120.24

You should retest in .130 previews

[languid mirage]

it works on preview. (80% sure, I was on last night and desert was warm toned)

i'll double check soon. But either way - it obviously is meant to work as docs say but was bugged.

[sonic canopy]

On latest preview I see the following behavior:

• if you want to use color_temperature type (higher temperature = colder image), temperature grading must be enabled in the default config and it must be set to color_temperature. If you don't set color_temperature or don't enable temperature grading, it will use white balance mode which has the opposite behavior (higher temperature = warmer image)

And this is the correct behavior ^ if you google it, or go into your camera app or into image editing software, you'll see that color temperature makes the image colder while white balance makes it hotter when increasing temperature

Previous discussions on the topic #1182091012177399809 message #1182091012177399809 message

[languid mirage]

odd. Everwhere i look its the opposite IRL. Especially in home, produce & cultivation lighting applications

[languid mirage]

hell just a quick google search shows the exact opposite for me 😭😭😭😭

[sonic canopy]

Your example here contradics the documentation

"color_temperature" will cause higher temperature values to result in a warmer image, while lower temperature values will result in a cooler image

6500 k is white, so if the docs are correct 2500 k color temperature should result in colder image

[languid mirage]

bruh.... One second 🤣🤣🤣 you're literally reading something different than me

[languid mirage]

and as it says... White balance behaves the opposite. in real life the kelvin scale works the same as MC white balance

thats what I said

[languid mirage]

i based it off real life & mc white balance

we understand eachother now?

[languid mirage]

search "kelvin color temperature chart"

scale/chart. Same thing

[sonic canopy]

To summarise what I'm trying to say

• with "color temperature" increasing the temperature should result in colder image, while with white balance it's the opposite, higher temperature = warmer image. This is the behavior irl (blackbody radiation) and in most cameras, lighting, image editing software etc
• VV does it correctly as described above (at least in latest preview), although with a caveat - if you want color_temperature to work, you have to enable temperature grading in global config and set it to color_temperature, otherwise it'll use white_balance both globally and in per-biome configs, regardless of the settings in the per-biome config
• the docs are wrong as they contradict the 2 above points - both VV and irl behaves differently than how the documentation describes it

[languid mirage]

ahhh. I see. I've never recognized or seen white balance implementation in IRL just the normal k values and thought that's all it was.

[sonic canopy]

Yeah tbf it's confusing that we have 2 temperature scales that are the opposite of each other, and color temperature works the opposite of how we'd expect (higher temperature -> warmer image) it to work

[white willow]

I'm gonna bump this issue again

Could we see a restoration in TAAU sharpness. The left image is taken from an older preview (roughly 1.21.70) and then the right image is from roughly 1.21.80. The TAAU blurs too much. This is at 1440p 75% res. The image should NOT be that blurry and should be as sharp if not sharper than the left image

Contrast adaptive sharpening would also just be your best bet here if you wanted it

[wise hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1385854591492558899

[quasi trench]

yes it makes me use bilinear over TAAU cuz of this

[long ruin]

Same lol

[white willow]

bedrock rtx with aura

[long ruin]

Is there a way to use VVs cloud distance in RTX? Like the clouds aren't limited by the fog if you see what I mean

[white willow]

not that im aware of

[long ruin]

[white willow]

but im giving raytracing some well needed aura tho

so

theres that at least

[blazing whale]

Have POM?

[white willow]

No Pom. I have no idea how to actually implement Pom

[wise hinge]

have mom?

[blazing whale]

Have cat?

[thorn bison]

what does pom mean?

[sonic canopy]

[RTX] is actually dropping support in Bedrock in the near future (in favor of Vibrant Visuals)

And I had so many cool things planned for RTX

This is heartbreaking

[mossy verge]

💔

[long ruin]

bruhhh

[thorn bison]

ggs 🫡

[sonic canopy]

Why is it that they remove every single graphical feature the moment I become deeply involved and accustomed to it

[thorn bison]

only one possible reason

this is all your fault /j

[quick beacon]

:<

This is actually so devastating

BRTX

[tribal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-frozen-frozen-meme-gif-27324573

sorry, I had to

[tribal trail]

It's all your fault

[sonic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[silent zealot]

Why are we so surprised?

[tribal trail]

idk

it was obvious

[sonic canopy]

Nobody is surprised, just disappointed. I thought we had more time

[silent zealot]

Interchangeable.

You are surprised you have less time than you expected.

I'm surprised that the Edu team support of all people.

[sonic canopy]

Probably didn't want to allocate ai tokens manpower to removing a feature that was going to be removed soon from the entirety of bedrock anyways

Also this is exactly why forced auto updates suck #1019692489596215388 message

I might keep the last version with RTX around, but for that I'll have to bypass the forced autoupdate thingy that they added a few previews ago

[silent zealot]

Just manage a version switcher.

[sonic canopy]

Have you tested if launchers can bypass forced update dialog box?

I feel like data driven materials are likely next on the chopping block of graphical features

[silent zealot]

Idk about current launchers, but ive been able to freely launch past versions GDK with no update prompt or the xbox game screen.

[sonic canopy]

Update box was only added last preview

afaik

[silent zealot]

What update box then are you talking about?

[silent zealot]

Because I easily launched .20 and .22 side by side.

[silent zealot]

Like I said, #1182091012177399809 message

[silent zealot]

This has been introduced since GDK was a thing.

[wise hinge]

[graceful iron]

Tragic

[tropic rampart]

but rtx still does things VV doesn't at the moment :<

like fun stained glass stuff

mojang pleas add all the fun stained glass stuff to VV

[tribal trail]

and vv does things that rtx doesn't

[tropic rampart]

well yeah but they aren't dropping VV support in favor of RTX

the replacement should do things the thing it replaces didn't

[tribal trail]

vv is not replacement to RTX, it is replacement to fancy graphics mode, vv is just a convenient excuse to drop RTX support

[tropic rampart]

i mean, fancy will coexist with it and continues getting supported.

[sonic canopy]

Don't forget that VV initially started from RTX. If there wasn't RTX, we wouldn't have VV today

[tribal trail]

RTX is very broken so they would have to fix it and they clearly don't want to do that so (maybe sad but) logical is that they will remove it

[tropic rampart]

it does still feel weird as like
i feel like RTX would make sense at some point.

they did it too early, at a time where most people's devices couldn't run it

[quick beacon]

Would've been dope if they open sourced RTX or did something similar and let us, the community, maintain it while they focus on other stuff. Just my opinion though

[tropic rampart]

but eventually most people will play on something that could run it.

and at that point, it'd actually make sense to have it there

[iron moon]

Average mojang L

[silent zealot]

Unfortunately this isn't Java.

[quick beacon]

Yeah 😔

[tropic rampart]

how will this affect the marketplace RTX worlds

will it just be a version locked thing

[silent zealot]

Probably taken down.

[tropic rampart]

sad

was hoping to try them out at some point when i get an rtx capable pc

[sonic canopy]

They could technically open source all the shaders, but there are still a lot of things in RTX on the CPU side that are just as messed up and need to be fixed and maintained, and those can't be open source unless they add custom shader support and rewrite RTX pipeline in scripting

[silent zealot]

This RTX scenario just reminds me of HCF and people not wanting to move on and use the new API and give feedback to strengthen it.

[iron moon]

Damn now I'm gonna have to play with shitty vibrant visuals

[silent zealot]

Exhibit A:

[tribal trail]

I don't think having graphics mode that can work only on specific GPUs with different art style to their other fancy modes (vv) make sense. I think it would make sense for them to add toggleable ray traced world space reflections and RTAO

[iron moon]

Agree

[sonic canopy]

That's right, I don't want to use the new API because it doesn't replace all the features that we've lost. In particular around shader modding. RTX is so easy to mod and it's "stable" (in a sense that it doesn't break with updates because it's never updated). It also uses a superior shader language. While with VV it's getting worse and worse. Not only does it change with every update, but they also removed readable shader source code so now we have to go through extreme measures to recover it back from obfuscated shaders. RTX is also much faster when it comes to ray or path tracing (obviously).

[silent zealot]

VV is in its infancy very much akin to when HCF was phasing out. It took time but we're getting all the replacements back and more.

[tropic rampart]

i am really looking forward to where VV will be in a year.

[sonic canopy]

They can't ever replace RTX in terms of the things that I mentioned, unless they literally add it back later in its entirety. Whatever we might be getting in the future as a replacement will not be as powerful

[tribal trail]

If Mojang wanted to support RTX and keep it in the game they would have to change it a lot and update it frequently, it completely ruins your point about it being stable 🧐

[sonic canopy]

Fixing bugs and adding minor features is different from adding major features and overhauling rendering pipeline. Fixing RTX bugs wouldn't break shaders

The foundations of RTX are "stable", while VV is constantly changing

[white willow]

Really, are you kidding me. After just getting this new thing for Raytracing built

[silent zealot]

Emerging new tech that will be supported for a long time vs abandonware that worked for like 5 people.

[white willow]

I hate it here

[tribal trail]

Fixing RTX bugs is not enought to keep it in a game and make it worth it. Vanilla Ray tracing is shitty asf

[thorn bison]

welcome to the club

[silent zealot]

I would be more symphatetic if VV and RTx was developed together and they chose VV over RTx...but VV is in its infancy.

[sonic canopy]

I'm talking purely from the perspective of shader developer. This move sucks as we have no replacement, official or unofficial, I might have to switch to java shader dev after they remove rtx because of that. How long ago did they remove shader support? And where is the replacement for it? VV is not a replacement from the creator perspective, as it doesn't offer nearly the same level of customisation

[tribal trail]

I see that but RTX was not made for shader developers

[ruby sluice]

I mean it’s not “very broken”. It is broken in a few places but it’s not very broken

[tribal trail]

and just fixing bugs is not enough for normal players

adn they won't keep shitty mode just for shader developers to modify it, especially since not everyone would be able to use this shaders, only players with very good computers

[silent zealot]

I think Veka's argument about replacement holds weak waters since it was unofficial. If it was an official support that got taken away then it would be stronger.

[ruby sluice]

53 thousand people joined the MCRTX server for BetterRTX, so its not as microscopic as you might think

[silent zealot]

All 53K users are able to use it or is this just people who are interested?

[tribal trail]

congratulations, that's still probably 2% of bedrock players

I loved RTX, but I wouldn't want them to keep the broken mode, especially since we know it wouldn't get any major update

[ruby sluice]

That idk, but at least 6200 have sent at least one message. It’s probably closer to 9k have talked in some amount

[silent zealot]

All 9K users are able to use it or is this just people who are interested?

[sonic canopy]

Maybe they decided to call it unofficial they moment they decided to get rid of it. Shaders were being loaded from resource packs, someone took the time to explicitly implement this feature. Where is the list of all the official features so that I can make sure the functionality that we can use is official, and wasn't "unintentionally" intentionally added

[ruby sluice]

I mean like y’all are saying, if it’s too niche to have people build on it, then what’s the point in removing it? They aren’t doing any bug fixes so what does it matter if it breaks

[sonic canopy]

Shaders are still usable on china edition, even published on their marketplace. Must be unintentional for them as well

[ruby sluice]

Leave it for the people who want to use it

[silent zealot]

You cannot be using China edition dude.

China edition is maintained by an entirely different team.

[ruby sluice]

Again that’s people who have actually sent a message, there have been plenty more who haven’t joined and just installed it and there’s probably some who joined but didn’t

[silent zealot]

If it's documented by Mojang on MS Docs, Dev Word, or other official channels.

This is like saying "Using sonic uuid was an official method bc someone took the time to allow that uuid to override block geo"

[sonic canopy]

No, it's maintained in collaboration with a different team, as evidenced by HAL making a come back in one of the prior versions. Shaders are still available in bedrock source code, they are just reserved for china edition only

[ruby sluice]

I never setup logs in the api to count how many installs have occurred but I’d imagine it’s more than the server member count

[silent zealot]

Actual evidence from the corpo or just speculation based on files?

[sonic canopy]

What part of it is speculation?

[tribal trail]

Do you keep spoiled food in the fridge or throw it away? 🧐

[silent zealot]

No, it's maintained in collaboration with a different team

[tribal trail]

I wonder if MC China edition is available on HarmonyOS 👀

[ruby sluice]

Spoiled implies it’s completely rotten and worthless

[tribal trail]

And RTX doesn't rot? Sure they could fix it and imrpove how RTX works/looks, but I'm just saying it's not good to keep it in it's current state

[tropic rampart]

does its existence harm anything else about the game in any way?

[silent zealot]

It could be internally in the codebase.

[tropic rampart]

fair point

[iron moon]

I think it's stupid to just throw it away when thousands of people are still using it and modders supporting it

[sonic canopy]

China edition pulls features from bedrock edition. HAL is available in bedrock edition. There must be at least some level of collaboration involved, clearly bedrock devs are still maintaining HAL to some degree, why would they do that if china edition was a separate game fully handled by a separate team

[silent zealot]

So still speculation unfortunately.

[sonic canopy]

Reputation

[sonic canopy]

It's a logical conclusion. Bedrock devs aren't keeping HAL in the codebase for the fun of it

[silent zealot]

It's unfortunate yes. But at most lets say 999K, thats still less than 1%

[silent zealot]

But no concrete evidence. That is what Im asking.

[ruby sluice]

Unless everything is so spaghetti’d that they just don’t want to remove it

[tropic rampart]

in what way?

[silent zealot]

Mojang likes to abandon things and kill fun.

[tribal trail]

Reputation of Bedrock being buggy mess

[white willow]

Ok so what I'm getting here is that message on the Microsoft page was a lie? Yk, the one that said raytracing will continue to work on supported devices

[sonic canopy]

Well if you can explain the existence of HAL in any other way which supports your theory of completely separate teams with no collaboration whatsoever, then I'm listening

[ruby sluice]

Didn’t they take that down

[white willow]

Idk

I haven't looked

Just remember it being a thing

[tropic rampart]

i feel like there's a lot more about bedrock that harms the game's "reputation" than RTX, then.
being able to fall through the world when you get far enough out, the random deaths, the marketplace content quality (and the way it's handled in general, from how buggy the marketplace UI is to the lack of refunds or confirm purchase), and all the little things about the bedrock version that are just slightly off for seemingly no reason.

[white willow]

They did change the wording

[sonic canopy]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/ray-tracing

[tribal trail]

that was there for a long time, since vv release

[white willow]

Ok no that still exists

[ruby sluice]

Actually it’s still up

[sonic canopy]

Ray tracing for Windows will continue to perform on all supported devices as before, even once Vibrant Visuals is released.
Technically they weren't lying, this at least confirms that RTX won't be removed until 28th (if you count introduction of VV to marketplace as "release")

[ruby sluice]

It says it’ll keep working even once VV is released

[white willow]

I still really don't count VV in a release ready state and here we go getting paid content with it

[sonic canopy]

Right yeah, I misread. Ig they did lie reevaluated their priorities then

[ruby sluice]

Unless the plan is to just keep it and eventually remove it but the edu support person misunderstood

[silent zealot]

In what way? Creator support or Vanilla VV?

[ruby sluice]

Mojang employees are probably gagged with relation to future plans with RTX

[sonic canopy]

You never know until you ask

[tribal trail]

We didn't get that refraction, then it will be release ready

[silent zealot]

Im out of the loop really. When was refraction promised?

[tribal trail]

here

[silent zealot]

[tribal trail]

I still wait for that

[white willow]

The mode as a whole. Creator content is fine and pretty solid, but, the core of VV to me still feels like a tech demo. Very odd issues with directional light shading, no shadows for transparent objects, issues with auto exposure, over-blurred TAAU without any sharpening. No anti aliasing option on native, consoles having rough configs. It feels rushed and more like some management person said, release this now

[ruby sluice]

I don’t wanna randomly DM a mojang employee especially considering I have no real standing or communication with them

[tribal trail]

i NEED refraction to be happy in life

[silent zealot]

Tell AJ to keep delaying refraction.

[wise hinge]

me waiting for ssao or gtao (maybe ssao is cheaper)

[tribal trail]

that would be cute too, but refraction first

[white willow]

To me vv feels like deferred technical preview but they were told to slap a name on it cuz it looks fine enough

[sonic canopy]

Doesn't mean there is no collaboration whatsoever. And bedrock team running unit tests with HAL for china edition to me is evidence to the contrary. But it doesn't matter anyways, I'm not here to argue about china edition, I only mentioned it as an example that there isn't a line of what constitutes an "official" feature. The feature is official until it is no longer convenient and then it is labelled as unofficial and doomed for deprecation. Json UI, shaders, blockshapes and blocks.json in general, entity materials. They are all "unofficial", I guess some dev must've slipped on a banana and accidentally coded all of this amazing functionality into resource packs

[tribal trail]

vv is deferred technical preview, don't get what you mean

[sonic canopy]

I'm not exactly on the first name basis with Microsoft CEO either. Was just saying that it might be worth to ping kayla or aaj here for clarification

[white willow]

What I'm saying is that VV FEELS like a technical preview and not the release ready product that it should feel like. It feels un polished

[silent zealot]

You quite...literally proving my point. They're not properly supporting those 4 you mentioned and can be deprecated at any time.

[tribal trail]

it sure is unpolished but even if it was polished It would look similar and simple, simple/flat and very close to vanilla look is their art style

[white willow]

The questionable art direction designs aren't what I'm targeting here

I'm targeting the literal core of VV

Blocks are shaded so weirdly in direct light

Like one side of the lighting looks ok, then the other side is a weird greyer more dull shade and then specular on forward facing objects looks awkward and causes blocks to just... look like plastic

[sonic canopy]

Yes, so we agree on this. The question is, what is proper support. Is a feature only properly supported once it's documented? Would you be fine if they removed all custom materials tomorrow, with no replacements? Will that break all your content? Ig you shouldn't have used unofficial features

[silent zealot]

Yes.

And yes I agree.

[sonic canopy]

Btw there is evidence that materials are next on the cutting block, custom materials are already working poorly with VV

[silent zealot]

I would be pissed because they allowed it in the marketplace

[silent zealot]

I would not be surprised. Theyll likely use the new MEV 120 and PBR capability, if you have this you cant ise custom materials.

[white willow]

The point was to refresh the graphics and at times, VV looks like a visual downgrade with its oddly washout visuals. Default VV looks smeared in Vaseline and ngl the generic tonemap doesn't help with that. And people being (very obviously) upset that VV at times doesn't even feel like it's enabled. That's just a big issue no?

[silent zealot]

Whats your next move?

[sonic canopy]

cry

[mossy verge]

Yeah no point of arguing with literal walls lol

[sonic canopy]

Then you can imagine what it must've felt like for shader devs outside of marketplace who had no idea these features are "unsupported". There is still no official confirmation that stuff like entity materials are unsupported btw, I imagine it would be quite a surprise for marketplace and hobbyist devs around the world once those get removed

[silent zealot]

Keyword is outside the marketplace.

[sonic canopy]

Right, non-mp devs might as well not exist, why not remove all modding entirely and just gatekeep it on marketplace only.
Please don't loose your connection to the community and don't forget where you started from, I understand that being on marketplace changes your perspective, but I think it's important to keep an open mind and consider alternative perspectives

[silent zealot]

Congrats on misinterpreting what I said.

The hobbyist in me is of course pissed but the marketplace in me says they cant gut materials because they ALLOW it on the marketplace. They are not stupid enough to kill 90% of content from their biggest money maker.

[mossy verge]

So this means if a feature isn't money maker just remove it right

[tribal trail]

it would be more morally wrong to kill the content that people pay for

[silent zealot]

Congrats on misinterpreting what I said.

[mossy verge]

Well some people bought xbox and rtx GPUs just for Minecraft ray tracing if I remember correctly

[silent zealot]

We are discussing official api.

[mossy verge]

Yeah I'm little stupid

[tropic rampart]

same probably applies for the PS VR, too.
this is why bedrock really needs a version select.

[sonic canopy]

My bad, I thought you were responding to my comment about feelings of shader devs outside of marketplace so I thought that you, whether intentionally or not, basically said that their feelings don't matter because they are not on marketplace

[white willow]

Ngl I think VR was more niche than raytracing

[tropic rampart]

if a feature is implemented or announced for specific things that people have to spend a lot of money on, that should not just be completely removed at some point.
RTX being removed from future versions, sure, but let people officially download older versions that have it.
PS4 VR support is removed? sure, but let people download the version that has it as a separate app, or use it on old version worlds and let us create old version worlds in-game.

[white willow]

Doesn't excuse its removal tho

[tropic rampart]

yeah. Same issue of "well, people spent money thinking this would be in the game forever, and now it's just gone and there's no official way to use it"

when the solution to this exact problem is already present on java

[pale urchin]

Hi everyone

[tropic rampart]

i don't care if it's done through baseGameVersion or an external version select, but features that people spent money on shouldn't just be removed completely with no way to use them again officially.

[sonic canopy]

I mean yeah of course they won't just rip it out of the game overnight. But it starts slow, first don't allow custom materials for VV, then phase out materials with a format version, then raise MEV on MP and eventually when MEV crosses the threshold of where materials were last supported, remove or modify content that didn't get updated

[silent zealot]

No of course not. It absolutely sucks from a hobbyist perspective any of this is happening. It's not surprising but it still blows.

But the marketplace in me knows which api to utilise and which will have longevity.

[pale urchin]

If I'm remembering this right, wasn't there a bugfix that focused on VV's interaction with custom materials?

[long ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[pale urchin]

Specifically stencils

Also, what's MEV?

[sonic canopy]

Fair point, but there are still more bugs that hasn't been fixed, and they are kind of on the edge between being a bug and being intentionally left out or unimplemented. For example, material variants not working or custom materials breaking in general and only vanilla materials working properly despite them having the same or very similar functionality

Feels like they might've hardcoded some behavior for certain vanilla materials specifically

[sonic canopy]

minimum engine version

[pale urchin]

Materials are a really important part of marketplace products. If they're deprecating it, then they will develop an alternative. Just like what they're doing with in game JSON UI elements

[sonic canopy]

I agree but there is still no replacement for json UI despite a good chunk of UI screens in the game being Ore UI-fied already

[pale urchin]

They appear to be working on one according to new internal files

[silent zealot]

DDUI

Data Driven UI RAHH

[pale urchin]

My main concern though are out of game screens

If the focus is to maintain marketplace support, then they have no incentive to make screens like the play screen data driven

[silent zealot]

Priority

In-game UI has more priority than out of game.

[pale urchin]

Well of course. I'm just concerned that they won't data drive it at all

[proven hemlock]

Hello! Wanted to jump in quickly to say I followed up on this since this was a surprise to me this morning as well 🙂 We do not currently have any plans to remove RTX, and there was an unfortunate misunderstanding from our lovely support team on this response. The post has been updated to reflect this!
I know there have been some bumps with RTX over the past couple years as we've made big changes with VV that we are continuing to work through, but to remove support was never the intent. Any changes to RTX support will come through official channels!

[white willow]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-praise-gif-8670793

[graceful iron]

Yay

[sonic canopy]

It's awesome to hear officially that removing RTX is not in the plans currently

[white willow]

i can continue to safely work on my current rtx project

[sonic canopy]

Likewise

[graceful iron]

I’ll choose to neglect my RTX pack for one less day

[white willow]

i was like. going insane cuz i JUST started this new project.

dont tell me iridescence was dead before it even began 🫡

[graceful iron]

[quasi trench]

iridescence lives on

👀

[white willow]

fog moment

[loud pilot]

can't find animation riding.root

[white willow]

shhhhhhhhhhhh

[sonic canopy]

This looks very... fruity. It's how I imagine taste of a peach, but in a visual form

[silent zealot]

I thought fruity as in gay.

But I get what you mean.

[tribal trail]

same

[quick beacon]

We're saved 🙏

[iron moon]

What is taht

[iron moon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[white willow]

hazy desert

[graceful iron]

What is what?