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wise hinge Sep 16, 2025, 12:09 PM

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and result
looks fine

thorn bison Sep 16, 2025, 12:10 PM

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ah

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still looks very cool

wise hinge Sep 16, 2025, 12:11 PM

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depricated vv's flat uhhhh flashbang clouds here

thorn bison Sep 16, 2025, 12:11 PM

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lol

tribal trail Sep 16, 2025, 12:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/anime-loli-gif-20946617

Tenor

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woof woof pack

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noted

silent zealot Sep 16, 2025, 12:44 PM

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tribal trail woof woof pack

😭 Alexis...

tribal trail Sep 16, 2025, 12:45 PM

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THAT'S WHAT HE SAID

thorn bison Sep 16, 2025, 12:45 PM

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tribal trail woof woof pack

no, it's mr.nocturnedoggy woof woof

tribal trail Sep 16, 2025, 12:45 PM

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ahh

silent zealot Sep 16, 2025, 12:46 PM

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tribal trail THAT'S WHAT HE SAID

Yeah screenshotting that out of context.

wise hinge Sep 16, 2025, 12:51 PM

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catjump1 catjump2
catjump3 catjump4
🐕‍🦺

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im not a dog waaaaaa

wise hinge Sep 16, 2025, 3:54 PM

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default vv adjustments.

willow needle Sep 17, 2025, 11:34 AM

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wise hinge Sep 17, 2025, 12:39 PM

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my wifi be like

thorn bison Sep 17, 2025, 12:39 PM

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wise hinge my wifi be like

lmao

wise hinge Sep 17, 2025, 2:50 PM

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deft cradle Sep 17, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Yo I swear I had a dream about this

true tree Sep 17, 2025, 7:12 PM

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i cant find gamelaunchhelper.exe on my laptop and teres no Minecraft Preview for windows folder inside my xboxgames folde

pale urchin Sep 17, 2025, 7:16 PM

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true tree i cant find gamelaunchhelper.exe on my laptop and teres no Minecraft Preview for...

What's your Minecraft version?

true tree Sep 17, 2025, 7:17 PM

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1.21.120.2

pale urchin Sep 17, 2025, 7:21 PM

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true tree 1.21.120.2

1.21.120.20?

earnest sierra Sep 17, 2025, 7:51 PM

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Deferred back when it first launched

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An old screenshot I had that I just found

white willow Sep 17, 2025, 8:24 PM

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Oh man

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The nuclear water

daring jewel Sep 17, 2025, 8:41 PM

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But those shadows are crisp

dim star Sep 17, 2025, 10:36 PM

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why does adding a single torch with point lights on lower my fps by 60 😭

silent zealot Sep 17, 2025, 10:37 PM

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dim star why does adding a single torch with point lights on lower my fps by 60 😭

They're unoptimised.

dim star Sep 17, 2025, 10:38 PM

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yeahhh it seems like waves are too

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waves crashed my computer multiple times when trying to add them to a pack lol, to get a gist of my specs i can run games like OW2, titanfall2, and fortnite with them being stable (fortnite being at least 60fps)

white willow Sep 17, 2025, 11:14 PM

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OW2 is a very well optimized game, titanfall runs on a very old engine, and Fortnite, well fortnite is optimized quite poorly tbh

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Point lights are very hard to optimize for. Most games try to avoid using realtime point lights cuz well, yea

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You usually bake a point light or use mixed lighting, neither of which mc can utilize

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Best they can likely do is try and cache point light data shortly after placing them, only issue is changes in environment (like you walking over it) would likely reset the cache and cause lag spikes and stuff

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Or... just doing colored floodfill

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Which looks like they might be doing that

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But the big thing here is Minecraft is an incredibly hard game to optimize for

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Completely random worlds where literally anything can happen. I mean there's a reason the game's lighting system is so simple

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Majority of tricks game devs use for optimization don't work here, so usually have to rely on expensive realtime techniques and trying to do those fast is... difficult to say the least

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 12:25 AM

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dim star waves crashed my computer multiple times when trying to add them to a pack lol, ...

It is probably an issue with your implementation of the water configuration that is crashing your game, not the implementation of waves in the actual game

dim star Sep 18, 2025, 12:26 AM

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quick nymph It is probably an issue with your implementation of the water configuration that...

I used the creator docs template

silent zealot Sep 18, 2025, 12:27 AM

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Ive never had perf issues with waves.

dim star Sep 18, 2025, 12:33 AM

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I didn't have issues with waves before the recent previews

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 12:34 AM

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dim star I used the creator docs template

Does it happen without your pack active?

dim star Sep 18, 2025, 12:35 AM

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quick nymph Does it happen without your pack active?

It would happen with luminous dreams too

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to put it in perspective: vv without waves I get around 120 fps

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With waves I get <=30 and after a lil bit it turns my computer off

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 12:48 AM

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That is weird!

dim star Sep 18, 2025, 12:55 AM

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Yeah

true tree Sep 18, 2025, 2:52 AM

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pale urchin 1.21.120.20?

br yes

pale urchin Sep 18, 2025, 2:54 AM

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true tree br yes

Yeah you need to reinstall the game to get the GDK version

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(make a backup first)

tropic rampart Sep 18, 2025, 8:22 AM

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white willow Or... *just doing colored floodfill*

the unfortunate part of that is it won't look as good. Better than no coloured lighting, but not as good as point lights.

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i wish they did both. Let us have point lights optional, if you're okay with the performance downsides of it then why not? if not, you'd still get colored lighting, it just wouldn't look as good.

white willow Sep 18, 2025, 8:42 AM

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tropic rampart the unfortunate part of that is it won't look as good. Better than no coloured l...

You'd be surprised

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Colored floodfill looks really good

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Yea it doesn't get shadowing but

wise hinge Sep 18, 2025, 9:19 AM

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How is the colored lighting implemented in most java shaders?🤔

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I know they aren't point lights

tropic rampart Sep 18, 2025, 9:22 AM

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white willow Yea it doesn't get shadowing but

yeah :<
no shadows means you can't do fun builds by pointing it in specific directions and obstructing some of it with iron bars and stuff

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this stuff just wouldn't be possible without point lights

ornate hollow Sep 18, 2025, 2:58 PM

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Point light shadow need

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I mean don't remove point light

wise hinge Sep 18, 2025, 3:20 PM

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Just to be sure. I'm bad at reading english, but do these sentences mean that a higher color temperature causes the image to be warmer? (i know the actual behavior is not like that)

languid mirage Sep 18, 2025, 4:20 PM

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wise hinge How is the colored lighting implemented in most java shaders?🤔

A modified flood-fill algorithm.

Some use a mechanic like point lights ex. Rethinking Voxels.

white willow Sep 18, 2025, 4:36 PM

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wise hinge Just to be sure. I'm bad at reading english, but do these sentences mean that a ...

Hold on I think mojang have it wrong here

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Cuz... with temperature, a higher value is cooler and a lower value is warmer

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If it's based on Kelvin

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Unless the way they explain it is weird

unborn moss Sep 18, 2025, 4:45 PM

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what pack is this?

jagged badge Sep 18, 2025, 4:56 PM

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white willow Hold on I think mojang have it wrong here

No, this makes sense to me

sonic canopy Sep 18, 2025, 5:05 PM

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I think Mojang is wrong here, increasing white balance temperature should make the image warmer, as this is the behavior in image editors and cameras

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In the real world, light sources that emit light due to temperature have a cooler color when the temperature increases. This is why hotter stars are blue and cooler ones are red. We also use color temperature to judge how "warm" a light source is, and we use the same scale, i.e. higher temperature = cooler color. White balance is supposed to compensate for the temperature of a light source. So if you have a "warm" light source (warm perceptually; more red than blue; lower color temperature) then you should specify a low temperature for the white balance. Ideally, the exact temperature of a light source, if you know it. So, for light sources, increasing color temperature should result in cooler colors, while white balance does exactly the opposite - increasing color temperature should result in warmer colors, because you are trying to compensate for the color temperature of the light source and make the image appear neutral white.

This video explains it in a more entertaining way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqZm6u12RJA

YouTube

minutephysics

The Color Temperature Paradox

Go to https://brilliant.org/minutephysics to try everything Brilliant has to offer for free for a full 30 days, and also get 20% off your annual premium subscription!

If you take a piece of white paper into different lighting conditions, it will be an objectively different color in each situation, but our brains are clever enough to make us fee...

▶ Play video

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The whole color temperature thing is very confusing tbf, especially when physics disagrees with what we expect a warm or cold color should look like

jagged badge Sep 18, 2025, 6:20 PM

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sonic canopy I think Mojang is wrong here, increasing white balance temperature should make t...

Ah. I had blatantly misremembered how my phone camera's white balance slider worked

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 9:13 PM

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wise hinge Just to be sure. I'm bad at reading english, but do these sentences mean that a ...

You're completely correct, it makes it sound like the inverse of what actually happens

sonic canopy Sep 18, 2025, 9:16 PM

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To be clear, documentation is wrong but the current behaviour is correct

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Someone should probably file a bug report on the learning portal website

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 9:16 PM

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sonic canopy To be clear, documentation is wrong but the current behaviour is correct

Yeah, currently color temp acts like white balance, correct?

silent zealot Sep 18, 2025, 9:17 PM

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What's wrong with the documentation again?

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https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator/issues MS Docs REPO

GitHub

MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator

This is the repository for Minecraft Bedrock documentation. - MicrosoftDocs/minecraft-creator

wise hinge Sep 18, 2025, 9:19 PM

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white willow Hold on I think mojang have it wrong here

cat_depressed

sonic canopy Sep 18, 2025, 9:19 PM

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quick nymph Yeah, currently color temp acts like white balance, correct?

Correct behavior for white balance is the image getting "warmer" (more red) with increasing temperature, and for color_temperature to do the opposite - become "colder" (more blue) with increasing temperature. I haven't tested it myself, but if people are reporting that documentation and actual behavior are different, then it's a bug in the documentation and not in the implementation of color temperature in-game

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It's counter-intuitive but it is the standard that we use everywhere, in cameras, lights and image editors

quick nymph Sep 18, 2025, 9:20 PM

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I think that the docs are wrong because last time I got really confused that color temp works by cooling when increased.

sonic canopy Sep 18, 2025, 9:21 PM

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quick nymph I think that the docs are wrong because last time I got really confused that col...

This is correct, higher temperature -> "colder" color

MasterGuide_Diagrams-Lights-24_c212f065-e5f0-45d6-b797-59995e54ab1b_1024x1024.webp

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The docs are wrong, not the in-game implementation

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Oh wait that's what you said lmao, my bad

wise hinge Sep 18, 2025, 9:27 PM

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I thought it was a bug because it was doing the exact opposite of what the documentation said lol
I've been confused about that since when color temperature was implemented

quasi trench Sep 19, 2025, 2:25 AM

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but blue stars are hotter than orange stars mojang

quick nymph Sep 19, 2025, 2:46 AM

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How do you find the resourcepacks folder now mc is gdk?

silent zealot Sep 19, 2025, 2:48 AM

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quick nymph How do you find the resourcepacks folder now mc is gdk?

#1415000241995907152 message

wise hinge Sep 19, 2025, 3:50 AM

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🏜.

dusky lagoon Sep 19, 2025, 6:07 AM

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@wise hinge which pack

wise hinge Sep 19, 2025, 6:09 AM

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doggy pack

dusky lagoon Sep 19, 2025, 6:11 AM

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@wise hinge on mcpedl

wise hinge Sep 19, 2025, 6:11 AM

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no

wise hinge Sep 19, 2025, 3:26 PM

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wise hinge Sep 20, 2025, 8:25 AM

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color temperature 7000k

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color temperature 4500k

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whattttt

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in editor: 8980k >> cool image
4906k >> warmer

wise hinge Sep 20, 2025, 8:31 AM

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wise hinge color temperature 7000k

but sometimes works inversely waaaaaa
Has anyone experienced this issue? It's been an issue for me since color temp was implemented
I'll make a bug report anyway

daring jewel Sep 20, 2025, 11:05 AM

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i dont use this feature, like i just removed it from the color grading file. also for some reason setting this to false and removing the component does seperate things.

wise hinge Sep 20, 2025, 1:54 PM

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i won't use temperature stuffs but global color grading works correctly and per biome color grading works inversely lol

white willow Sep 20, 2025, 8:31 PM

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fluid holly Sep 20, 2025, 10:56 PM

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is there any way to get trees to get that fluffy look when it comes to the sss in bedrock like in java? idk how to explain but the trees look less blocky and individual but lit up altogether

white willow Sep 20, 2025, 10:57 PM

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fluid holly is there any way to get trees to get that fluffy look when it comes to the sss i...

Tbh, for VV alot of it depends on how you author the texture tbh.

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And it also comes down to how you configure your pack

fluid holly Sep 20, 2025, 10:57 PM

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right so its possible to get a similar look but in a different way

white willow Sep 20, 2025, 10:59 PM

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Yea

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Like for example

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white willow Sep 20, 2025, 11:00 PM

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fluid holly right so its possible to get a similar look but in a different way

But also it comes down to how VV implemented SSS

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Most java shaders don't really do it "the right way"

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Afaik VV does it "the right way"

fluid holly Sep 20, 2025, 11:01 PM

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thank u

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im starting to make a pack so this is very helpful

white willow Sep 20, 2025, 11:02 PM

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No problem

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I'm planning on releasing a few VV centered tutorials in the next coming days as well

fluid holly Sep 20, 2025, 11:02 PM

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white willow I'm planning on releasing a few VV centered tutorials in the next coming days as...

will keep an eye out 👀

white willow Sep 20, 2025, 11:02 PM

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The PBR portion should be coming out soon. Just have to edit it

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There's going to be three videos, part 1 is PBR, part 2 will be lighting and atmosphere, part 3 will color grading and water

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Or maybe I'll release atmosphere and lighting first

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I just haven't recorded it yet

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 12:16 AM

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thorn bison Sep 21, 2025, 6:54 AM

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white willow

those clouds legit look really cool

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 6:55 AM

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white willow Sep 21, 2025, 6:56 AM

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thorn bison those clouds legit look really cool

thanks! I've changed them around a bit more now to give more clean looking clouds (and better separation of noises) along with adding in a small easter egg from the vanilla cloud map

blazing whale Sep 21, 2025, 7:15 AM

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Strawberry Realism R1

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white willow Sep 21, 2025, 7:44 AM

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Minecraft_Screenshot_2025.09.21_-_03.33.21.08.png

wise hinge Sep 21, 2025, 9:44 AM

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smash

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 5:46 PM

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blazing whale

as a bit of feedback, id say these normals are, quite a bit too strong. im not sure what you used to make them but adding a bit of blur to the height input beforehand would help, as well as possibly using a normal with a sobel filter instead

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 6:34 PM

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2048x cube

deft cradle Sep 21, 2025, 6:41 PM

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dam

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 7:49 PM

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downscaled the stone to 256x, 256x raw gold and refined gold

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adjusted the roughness of refined gold

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tropic rampart Sep 21, 2025, 8:00 PM

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makes me wish i had a rtx capable pc :<

sonic canopy Sep 21, 2025, 8:09 PM

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white willow

Are you just testing some stuff or do you plan to release it?

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 8:14 PM

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sonic canopy Are you just testing some stuff or do you plan to release it?

honestly just messing with textures. maybe ill release a demo tho

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but doubt ill ever do a full pack with this

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literally im just bored and was like "lets make some high res textures for the hell of it"

sonic canopy Sep 21, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I'd be interested to try it out

white willow Sep 21, 2025, 8:28 PM

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iron block

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eh gonna tweak the roughness a bit

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outer part could be a tad shinier

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one sec again

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there we go.

fluid holly Sep 21, 2025, 10:50 PM

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is there a program or something where i can edit values etc whilst previewing what they look like without having to create a pack and loading into a game everytime im very new to this

silent zealot Sep 21, 2025, 10:50 PM

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fluid holly is there a program or something where i can edit values etc whilst previewing wh...

Try editor mode.

fluid holly Sep 21, 2025, 11:04 PM

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silent zealot Try editor mode.

on a macbook 💔

wise hinge Sep 21, 2025, 11:31 PM

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cat_depressed

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:12 AM

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is there a way to turn off auto exposure

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 1:16 AM

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brave star is there a way to turn off auto exposure

Not unless you modify internal configs

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:17 AM

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quick nymph Not unless you modify internal configs

and how do I do that?

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 1:17 AM

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brave star and how do I do that?

Have you heard of the renderer folder? What platform are you on?

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:17 AM

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no, I havent.

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im on pc.

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ill just look for it, thanks.

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 1:18 AM

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brave star im on pc.

Press windows key + R

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Then paste this: C:\XboxGames\Minecraft Preview for Windows\Content\data

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:21 AM

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can you do this only on preview?

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 1:21 AM

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brave star can you do this only on preview?

You can do it on vanilla but you need a different command

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:22 AM

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can you just share the path

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 1:24 AM

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Well I don't have the path for vanilla

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I mainly use preview for VV because it is much more recent and updated

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:36 AM

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why is it so hard to find the location for this..

silent zealot Sep 22, 2025, 1:40 AM

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brave star why is it so hard to find the location for this..

Stable or Preview?

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:40 AM

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silent zealot Stable or Preview?

stable

astral hatchBOT Sep 22, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Window Apps Folder

The Window Apps Folder has additional files, not available in the VRP/VBP downloads.

Location: ProgramFiles/WindowsApps/someminecraftfolderuwp

How to get Access: https://www.maketecheasier.com/access-windowsapps-folder-windows-10/

silent zealot Sep 22, 2025, 1:42 AM

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@brave starAbove.

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 1:43 AM

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silent zealot <@1135086244804689920>Above.

thanks.

quick nymph Sep 22, 2025, 2:14 AM

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brave star thanks.

If you haven't already found it it's in the deferred_lighting_config under the name of localexposure

brave star Sep 22, 2025, 2:17 AM

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quick nymph If you haven't already found it it's in the deferred_lighting_config under the n...

pretty sure its tone_mapping.json

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either way, I couldnt edit it properly

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im just hoping we are going to have the option to disable it in the future.

sonic canopy Sep 22, 2025, 7:33 AM

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brave star either way, I couldnt edit it properly

You will need IOBit to access it, unless you are on GDK preview. There is a pinned message here that describes how to disable auto exposure

iron moon Sep 22, 2025, 10:28 PM

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Screenshot_22_09_2025_04_27_31_p._m..png

wise hinge Sep 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

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damnn so pretty!!!!

white willow Sep 22, 2025, 11:33 PM

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high res cobble. i kid you not this took forever

iron moon Sep 23, 2025, 3:42 AM

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i kid you not this took forever

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What does this sentence means

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bao_ext_toldyouso

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 3:46 AM

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iron moon i kid you not this took forever

Fancy way of saying "this is not a joke, this took way too long"

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Reason I say that is cuz the texture doesn't look complex, and isn't complex

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Getting it to look good tho

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Or at least look passable

iron moon Sep 23, 2025, 3:47 AM

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I kinda got it but I wasn't sure. Ty

wise hinge Sep 23, 2025, 1:56 PM

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I hope mojang fixes this milk water within the next year

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I can see they are getting sky light? too much

silent zealot Sep 23, 2025, 1:58 PM

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wise hinge I hope mojang fixes this milk water within the next year

Wdym milky?

wise hinge Sep 23, 2025, 2:00 PM

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silent zealot Wdym milky?

I mean they are too white

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it's hard to describe

wide pelican Sep 23, 2025, 2:08 PM

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silent zealot Wdym milky?

Easiest place to notice this is in swamps, SSR doesn't seem to display correctly or at all without direct skylight access. It looks like it falls back to just displaying the albedo texture with basic floodfill lighting in those situations.

pale urchin Sep 23, 2025, 2:28 PM

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wide pelican Easiest place to notice this is in swamps, SSR doesn't seem to display correctly...

What I found is that the SSR is there, but is dark compared to the sky light or block light

wide pelican Sep 23, 2025, 2:45 PM

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After checking in game I agree. Does this have a jira ticket somewhere?

silent zealot Sep 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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wide pelican After checking in game I agree. Does this have a jira ticket somewhere?

It's a gamble. The new jira search is terrible so you're banking on searching every related query or hoping someone has it on hand.

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Is it just related to ssr and water?

pale urchin Sep 23, 2025, 2:51 PM

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Water

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Though we should check if "mirror like" blocks have the same problem

daring jewel Sep 23, 2025, 3:51 PM

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wise hinge Sep 23, 2025, 4:04 PM

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lul

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 4:08 PM

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daring jewel

So, is cave fog now possible?

daring jewel Sep 23, 2025, 4:09 PM

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they dont say fog so not sure

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but hope so

pale urchin Sep 23, 2025, 5:19 PM

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Anyone else's "Adjust Gamma" not doing anything in vanilla VV?

languid mirage Sep 23, 2025, 5:54 PM

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tropic rampart So, is cave fog now possible?

This would be nice

languid mirage Sep 23, 2025, 6:11 PM

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But that’s not the case

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 6:32 PM

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Ok this is so funny (sorry for the phone pic, not on my main Xbox account)

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Ik it's been brought up many times but

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The reflection config in series S is so funny

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:17 PM

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white willow Ik it's been brought up many times but

until it's fixed, it hasn't been brought up enough!

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:17 PM

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There's no reason I can't see the top of the block lmao

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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can we like, submit the fix to mojang? send them a fixed version of the config files and just ask nicely to implement it?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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Yk what's also really bad

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The shadow configs

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They are so mushy compared to both pc and mobile

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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is that a series S issue or in general

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huh.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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Lemme explain

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So with soft shadows enabled the configs across platforms are very different

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On console they are extremely blurred and mushy

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On pc they are blurred but it's a good amount of blur, really nice shadow penumbras on ultra

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On mobile, medium shadows are nice sharp and defined, and ultra look like pc ultra

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I'll get some comparisons

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This could also be a series s issues idk, I don't have an x to compare with

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:20 PM

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You can edit the configs and check that way

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all the config files are on PC

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:21 PM

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Oh yea good point

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:21 PM

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just rename the one you want to _pc

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:21 PM

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I'll do it later

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I'm on dog watching duty right now

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:21 PM

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white willow Oh yea good point

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console_2 is series S as far as i'm aware

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console_1, i'm not sure. I'm under the assumption of xbox one, but it doesn't match what ps4 looks like at all, it's significantly worse, which is odd given they're the same console gen. But there's nothing else it could be.
console_3 and console are PS5/XSX. Not sure if both are console_3 and console is unused, or if one is console and the other is console_3, since i don't have either PS5 or XSX to compare them to these configs. They are slightly different.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:23 PM

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Console on ultra vs mobile on ultra. The shadows on mobile have so much more detail

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Which the mobile ones align with pc on ultra

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:25 PM

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white willow Console on ultra vs mobile on ultra. The shadows on mobile have so much more det...

I am very confused about why these configs are so weird.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:25 PM

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Also mobile on medium

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:25 PM

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also like, why are there so many configs, each one having its own issues???

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:25 PM

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This is different from both pc and console

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Idk why there's so many disparities

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM

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they should have done one for mobile, one for PC, one for last gen, and one for current gen.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM

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It's just weird cuz

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM

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instead of having configs on each one, including the switch for some reason

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM

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Properties of configs also don't line up

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM

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ah yes, i love Vibrant Visuals on the Nintendo Switch

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(not switch 2 configs, these match last gen style)

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Xbox One last gen, specifically. not PS4.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:27 PM

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Medium shadows on mobile use a less intense filter, however that isn't the case on PC. Pc just has more mushy shadows on lower settings as well as much lower shadow distance

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Perhaps the soft shadow configs are overlooked cuz VV is using pixel shadows by default

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But it should be consistent imo

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:28 PM

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they need to sort these configs out because right now they're a mess everywhere.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:28 PM

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I think I'd like pixel shadows more if they had softening to them

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I don't like how sharp they are

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:30 PM

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white willow I don't like how sharp they are

why :<

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:30 PM

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I'm a graphics nut and like when things have a semblance of realism

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However one sec lemme show what I mean

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:30 PM

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like complimentary shaders?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Yea their pixel shadows are perfect imo

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:31 PM

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personally i prefer the VV style but those are also nice

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i really like the VV shadows

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but
complimentary has something VV needs

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colored glass shadows.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:32 PM

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tropic rampart personally i prefer the VV style but those are also nice

It should be optional imo

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:32 PM

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yeah

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:33 PM

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i want to see variable penumbra shadows in vv.

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PCSS is not that hard and would look great

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:33 PM

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also i wish vanilla VV was more customizable. let us enable waves or soft shadows without needing a resource pack for a single setting swap. Off by default, yeah, but like, it'd be nice to be able to have those things on console while keeping most of VV as is.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:33 PM

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i say pcss isnt hard as ive failed to implement it 4 times now

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:34 PM

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white willow i want to see variable penumbra shadows in vv.

i do not know what that word means :3

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this is the first time i'm seeing it

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:34 PM

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tropic rampart i do not know what that word means :3

basically right. the shadow gets softer the farther from its caster

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but is also dependent on the size of the object too

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so close to the casted location, its super sharp

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and softens with distance

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lemme get a comparison rq

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:37 PM

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I still find it funny that if you turn VV off and on again, you get a version of VV but with colorful water (but no reflections)

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like, it's a bug, but i wouldn't mind it not getting fixed.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:37 PM

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standard PCF Filtering

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:37 PM

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since it means the water is actually visible properly at all times

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:37 PM

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shadows with variable penumbra shadows (PCSS)

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:38 PM

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o

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interesting

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tbh i still prefer the first one, i like sharper shadows

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:39 PM

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my own pixelated shadows implementation in my shader. its harder than soft shadows but still has some softening to it rather than being pixel perfect all the time

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:39 PM

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yeah this looks pretty good

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:40 PM

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ok so my shadow softness setting doest work so gotta manually edit code rq

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:40 PM

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Reflections off vs Reflections low

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why is "low" just "no reflections but 5% clearer water"

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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pixelated shadows with a larger blur radius

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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this is PC config, not console. Configs are weird on ALL platforms.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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white willow pixelated shadows with a larger blur radius

VV style

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yk its not that bad

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:42 PM

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i like both

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:42 PM

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oh dear my SSS method does not like small shadow radius

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:43 PM

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tropic rampart Reflections off vs Reflections low

and medium reflections is this

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it goes from no reflections at all to full reflections

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PC doesn't even have that odd "half reflection" thing that Series S has

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:44 PM

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hm

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let me check the shadow thingy

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do you have to restart the game with every change or just reload world

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:45 PM

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high and ultra

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:45 PM

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white willow do you have to restart the game with every change or just reload world

not sure actually

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:46 PM

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well ill know quite quick

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which one is series s

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console_1

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:47 PM

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2

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i think

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:48 PM

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oh

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uh

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:48 PM

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console_1 is, i assume, xbox one?

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because while reflections on ultra match XSS, reflections on high do not

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:48 PM

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this is on ultra with console_1

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it may not have loaded

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:48 PM

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i guess try restarting the game

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:50 PM

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the configs arent loading

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cool

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:50 PM

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this is what console_1 looks like for me

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ultra -> high

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:50 PM

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where are you putting these?

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i just replaced what was in pc config with the console lod

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:51 PM

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white willow where are you putting these?

just replace the file.

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i renamed pc to pc1

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copied console_1

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and renamed it to pc

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you could also just rename them directly

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also yeah you don't need to restart the game

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this is "high" on the XSS config

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this is what you'd expect "low" to be on PC, rather than it being empty

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Ultra (XSS config)

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:54 PM

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yea thats bad

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:55 PM

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tropic rampart and medium reflections is this

remember that this is PC medium

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it's way better than XSS ultra

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:57 PM

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white willow yea thats bad

PS4 config ultra/high/medium

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ultra and high are identical and barely below the PC equivilants, while medium is just no reflections at all.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:58 PM

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wait is there not even sky reflections on medium?

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if so thats still worse than mobile which ahs sky reflections unless on ultra, then both

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 7:59 PM

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off vs medium

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(PS4)

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 7:59 PM

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i dont see any reflection, not even sky

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those clouds shouuld be seen on the water

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move closer to a cloud im curious

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:01 PM

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white willow move closer to a cloud im curious

nope

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am right next to a cloud

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:02 PM

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oh thats not what i meant

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i meant like closer to it but from the ground level

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so it can show up in a reflection

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cuz clouds should be visible even on low (they are on mobile)

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lemme swap to default VV rq tho

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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white willow i meant like closer to it but from the ground level

medium vs ultra. idk what im doing wrong

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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ok no its working

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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the cloud is right above me

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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for some reason the cloud reflections are just really dark

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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hm.

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well
the configs are weird.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:04 PM

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thats more of a vv setup issue

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not config in that case

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:04 PM

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the configs are still weird

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:04 PM

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yea

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yea cloud reflections are stupidly dark

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oh hey the config loaded

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:05 PM

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You'd think it'd be: low-medium-high-ultra

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but no, these are actually high, ultra, ultra, ultra

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and the last gen ultra is better than the current gen one

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:06 PM

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white willow oh hey the config loaded

Yay, you can finally have the terrible console reflections on PC!

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:07 PM

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so can confirm the dark cloud reflections are jsut mojangs VV setup and not config. god this is awful. i think waves makes it look a tad more tolerable tho

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:07 PM

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yeah

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:07 PM

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trollHD

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lemme see if my shadows theory is right now

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:09 PM

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hey, now you can test any packs you make for any platform because of this :3

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you don't need to actually have a PS4, PS5, XSX, Nintendo Switch (again why does it have its own configs), etc.

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just swap the config files

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:10 PM

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hm maybe im crazy lmao

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also seems im wrong on the shadows being harder with medium on pc cuz they are

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:12 PM

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white willow also seems im wrong on the shadows being harder with medium on pc cuz they are

i am very confused by this :3

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like, image 1 has darker shadows, image 2 has ligher ones, image 3 is in between

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but thats all i see here

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:13 PM

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what i mean by harder is less sharp edges

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or

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whoops

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i meant less soft edges

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left is medium, right is ultra, shadows are softer on ultra

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and by shadow softness i mean more blurred

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:15 PM

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yeah

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alright yeah i see that now

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:21 PM

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oh i found out why my edits werent applying before

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somehow i didnt have access to my dang files

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hm im intrigued by some decisions in these configs

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im doing a quick test

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hm

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i dont see a difference here

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:23 PM

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whatre u checking

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:23 PM

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the configs use a very high binary search count for SSR on pc at least, which is interesting because that usually nukes perf

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but turning it down doesnt bump perf nor does it make any percievable difference

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lemme test in my own shader for lols

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time to load java again

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:31 PM

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white willow but turning it down doesnt bump perf nor does it make any percievable difference

did you turn it down a lot?
if it doesnt make a difference, i wonder why its even there

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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binary search DOES make a difference

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its helpful

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but even in my own testing on my shader

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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yeah but like
you say that turning it down didnt make a difference in the config

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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it doesnt hurt perf much

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i more meant for performance

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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a, okay

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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but what binary search helps with is filling in gaps in SSR

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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makes sense

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:33 PM

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probably not noticeable with waves or blocks but potentially in default VV where the water is flatter

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:36 PM

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interestingly, for point lights they took a much more reasonable approach.

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sure, each platform has its own config

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but the only one with unique lods is the switch

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everywhere else uses lods from a list, rather than each platform having 4 unique lods

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unless they just haven't gotten to making it more buggy by doing way too many lods yet.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:38 PM

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im crying bro this is insane

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Its been broken since VV launched :<

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it worked fine in the previews :<

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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im so confused rn

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so im looking at the config for console_1

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this just makes no sense

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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why

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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first of all, this is a next gen console and the IBL doesnt use importance sampling in ANY of the configs

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ultra for ssr doesnt have gap filling enabled

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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no console_1 is xbox one

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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oh

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uh

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nvm then

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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console and console_3 are current gen

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and console_2 but that's XSS, we know that one.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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ok so i can chill on that then

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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unclear which between console and console_3 is PS5 and which is XSX

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 PM

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so console 2 is XSS

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 PM

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yeah

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 PM

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cuz im on console 1 rn

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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weirdly enough, PS4 is so much better than both XSS and XB1

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like, it feels like they mixed up PS4 and XSS

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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yeesh

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lemme look into the configs here

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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is this console 2?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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yea

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

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yeah its bad :<

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

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ok so

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it uses a very low binary search count

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that shouldnt be an issue tho

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at least it uses importance sampling on ibl

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linear search is set to 100 steps

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where pc is 600 steps

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:45 PM

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i wonder why

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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well bumping step counts does get heavy

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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whats PC on medium?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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although idk how VVs ssr works

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like internally

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pc medium is 300 linear search steps

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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ok so yeah, XSS should probably at least get that on ultra.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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higher step count usually = longer range

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but also < perf

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but still. the XSS can do RT

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:47 PM

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yeah, but if you're playing on ultra reflections, you probably want to actually have proper reflections

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yeah

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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white willow but still. the XSS can do RT

doom the dark ages is an always RT game and looks and runs great

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same with indiana jones

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although indie struggles a lil

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VV is not raytraced at all

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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the thing is, again, XSS had working reflections in early previews.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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250 linear search count

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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they've proven that they can do working reflections on it

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

#

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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white willow

better but still not ideal

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:50 PM

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250, 350, PC

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:51 PM

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They should go with:

low: 50
medium: 100
high: 300
ultra: 500 (or just do the full 600)

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:51 PM

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lemme see 500

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im just gonna edit the pc config

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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thats between high and ultra PC

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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oh sorry

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pc uses 800

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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o

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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unless i did that

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lemme check an unmodded file

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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no youre right

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800

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so XSS should have at least 600 ultra

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exactly in between high and ultra on PC

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:53 PM

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i dont see why it cant match SX

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like i know the SX is stronger but like

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:53 PM

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tbh i don't see why it couldn't do 800 given that my PC can do ultra just fine

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:53 PM

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this is 600

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:53 PM

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and it's far weaker than XSS

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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console_3 uses 300 on ultra

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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huh.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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which is still a bit low imo

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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yeah

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again, my PC runs ultra reflections just fine and it's weaker than a series S, let alone a series X or PS5.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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console 1 is 50 on ultra

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💀

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but heres the weird part right

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:55 PM

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this is tragic

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:55 PM

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why does their SSR need so many steps

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mine looks fine with only 8 steps

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:55 PM

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PS4 is 200 on ultra

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:55 PM

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like in my custom shader

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maybe im just not understanding how their SSR works but like

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thats a metric ton of steps

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:56 PM

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could you like, sneak into the mojang office and fix this for them

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:56 PM

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no cuz my SSR is buns

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or well configs tho maybe

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8 steps with mine

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

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I don't get why PS4 ultra is 200 while XSS ultra is 100

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

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the range is low tho at a distance

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very low

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

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hm.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

#

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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well, however Mojang did it, it generally runs well despite the high numbers

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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oh yea

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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still, the configs need work.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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that could be the hi-z tracing tbh. idk much about hi-z tracing

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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because the XSS reflections are not acceptable, and the other stuff is still very odd.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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8 steps

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24

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their SSR is also generally noiseless

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mine is not

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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yeah

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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mine is so noisy

languid mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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tropic rampart because the XSS reflections are not acceptable, and the other stuff is still ver...

XSX reflections are pretty buns IMO.

Primarily block reflections. Water isn’t bad.

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:01 PM

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languid mirage XSX reflections are pretty buns IMO. Primarily block reflections. Water isn’t b...

curious. I wonder if that's also the case on PS5?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:01 PM

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/weather clear

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oh

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oops

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:02 PM

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white willow /weather clear

thank you !

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Changing to clear weather.

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:02 PM

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languid mirage XSX reflections are pretty buns IMO. Primarily block reflections. Water isn’t b...

if you know if the 2 platforms are noticably different, you could check console and console_3 configs and tell which one is XSX and which is PS5

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:02 PM

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seems anything passed 800 gives little to no returns

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:02 PM

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fair enough.

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i've also been unable to increase the shadow range but maybe i'm just doing it wrong

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:03 PM

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oh you can barely see the tree reflected on the block

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although im less concerned about limited block reflection range. thats not a big issue tbh

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:03 PM

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fun !

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:04 PM

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white willow although im less concerned about limited block reflection range. thats not a big...

considering default VV literally doesnt have any

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:04 PM

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white willow oh you can barely see the tree reflected on the block

also wait how does the ssr here work
do the things being reflected have to be visible on the screen

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or is there like

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a bit of an area just off screen thats also reflected

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i think its the former?

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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only on screen

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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i think LBP games did the latter where it also reflected stuff just off-screen

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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hense the name "screenspace reflections"

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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but thats on PS3, so more powerful hardware

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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theres some interesting things you can do to get offscreen reflections

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but most are not doable in realtime

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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hm. i wonder how LBP did it then

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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lbp likely did planar reflections

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or

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they did static baked cubemaps

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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since thats just as real time as minecraft

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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white willow lbp likely did planar reflections

half-life did planar reflections

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they look good but are super expensive

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so have to be used in small amounts or on small surfaces

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static cubemap reflections are the most likely

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:07 PM

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LBP let you do reflections on multiple surfaces at once i think. plus like, water, which could cover the entire map.

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:07 PM

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white willow static cubemap reflections are the most likely

that name implies they'd be static

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and not real time reflections that can be affected in major ways

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:08 PM

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you can do realtime cubemaps too but idk if that was common back then

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:08 PM

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well, however they did it, LBP is a game that lets you build stuff, and has a lot of physics objects with proper destruction physics, so it couldn't be anything completely static.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:08 PM

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now what you can do is take ssr right, and then record the SSR information to a cubemap, and render said cubemap when offscreen

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its not amazing but it does work

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:09 PM

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white willow oh you can barely see the tree reflected on the block

raytracing trollHD

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oh right i have depth of field on with BetterRTX

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oops

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

#

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like you can see the object being reflected is not on screen

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:11 PM

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long range reflectionssss

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:12 PM

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white willow raytracing <:trollHD:860901772964397056>

i wish i had a ray tracing capable PC :<

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some day for sure, eventually i'll have to upgrade it

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:12 PM

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i need to fix my betterRTX configs. they a bit scuffed rn

tribal trail Sep 23, 2025, 9:13 PM

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is it only me or evey pack now looks a bit colder and less foggy

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:13 PM

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as of the newest preview?

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or just in general

tribal trail Sep 23, 2025, 9:14 PM

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newest preview

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:14 PM

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idk havent tested

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:14 PM

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tropic rampart

also, LBP allowed you to have multiple reflective surfaces on screen at once

silent zealot Sep 23, 2025, 9:14 PM

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I havent noticed any changes to the renderer folder.

tropic rampart Sep 23, 2025, 9:15 PM

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i wish we had hardware as powerful as the PS3 nowadays.

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:18 PM

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lemme update my preview and see whats up there

long ruin Sep 23, 2025, 9:18 PM

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hi

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:19 PM

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oh ms store upadtaed automatically

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cool

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 9:22 PM

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tribal trail is it only me or evey pack now looks a bit colder and less foggy

mine looks the same to me

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preview vs release

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holy z-fighting on the surface of water

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 10:16 PM

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adding more progression to my sky colors throughout daytime

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The sky will get more blue as time goes on

tribal trail Sep 23, 2025, 10:26 PM

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white willow mine looks the same to me

Do you have updated lighting config or water config? They changed some things iirc

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 10:27 PM

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tribal trail Do you have updated lighting config or water config? They changed some things ii...

Water isn't updated. Idk about atmosphere. I don't work in previews anymore

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 11:39 PM

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dear mojang

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please please please PLEASE expose atmospheric_weather files to creators

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theres too much here to be hardcoded

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rain + really weak directional lighting

wise hinge Sep 23, 2025, 11:42 PM

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fr

white willow Sep 23, 2025, 11:43 PM

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also the fact that theres two different sky colors based on wehther its a thunder storm or normal rain is so cool

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idk having the very soft shading just looks nicer imo

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i do wish however we could also adjust the color of VL during rain

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 12:14 AM

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umm that's cool
it shouldn't be hard coded lmao

cedar pumice Sep 24, 2025, 12:40 AM

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white willow oh dear my SSS method does not like small shadow radius

I really like this look tbh

blazing whale Sep 24, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Dirt (chocolate)

white willow Sep 24, 2025, 1:58 AM

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inverted colors on clouds making the middle parts darker

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kinda looks cool

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cuz like irl, clouds are brighter at the edges

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truly volumetric

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languid mirage Sep 24, 2025, 2:35 AM

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tropic rampart if you know if the 2 platforms are noticably different, you could check console ...

I’m just on an Xbox series X.

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 4:27 AM

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doggyparty smash

deft cradle Sep 24, 2025, 4:28 AM

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Yo that emoji is frying me

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 4:32 AM

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harold

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 6:01 AM

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tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 10:15 AM

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white willow mine looks the same to me

hmm

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i see a difference even with vanilla vv

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release

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preview

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it has a green tint

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 11:34 AM

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Hahayes

thorn bison Sep 24, 2025, 11:47 AM

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tbh i prefer release

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 11:50 AM

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thorn bison tbh i prefer release

the thing is that this change also impact vv packs

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it's not just color grading change in vanilla vv

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 12:17 PM

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I'm afraid of testing with my pack

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 12:39 PM

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it's hard to compare when camera is not positioned the same way

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 12:41 PM

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ah

silent zealot Sep 24, 2025, 12:49 PM

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Has anyone actually compared between this week and last. Not this week and release?

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This is likely related to the new biome blending.

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 12:51 PM

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silent zealot Has anyone actually compared between this week and last. Not this week and relea...

no, but it was the same, latest preview changed colors

silent zealot Sep 24, 2025, 12:51 PM

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tribal trail no, but it was the same, latest preview changed colors

Has anyone actually shared screenshots?

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Not based on memory.

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It's due to the biome blending system that's why.

leaden stump Sep 24, 2025, 1:15 PM

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Does anyone knows how to fix Lazurite 0.5.0 giving this error UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xe3 in position 313: invalid continuation byte but it worked perfectly find on Lazurite 0.4.2

fading kindle Sep 24, 2025, 1:57 PM

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guys

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no nsfw and off topic but i have to say in case u didn't notice this channel now have 69 bao_logo_rtx reactions

fading kindle Sep 24, 2025, 2:00 PM

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wise hinge

nice

wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 2:50 PM

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thanks you got a cookie

thorn bison Sep 24, 2025, 3:02 PM

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fading kindle no nsfw and off topic but i have to say in case u didn't notice this channel now...

i was wondering when someone was gonna notice >:)

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 3:24 PM

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fading kindle no nsfw and off topic but i have to say in case u didn't notice this channel now...

now 70

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😈

fading kindle Sep 24, 2025, 3:30 PM

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tribal trail now 70

now 69

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 3:31 PM

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fading kindle now 69

now 68

fading kindle Sep 24, 2025, 3:31 PM

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69 !

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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you sure?

fading kindle Sep 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Aughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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wise hinge Sep 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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doggyparty

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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68 now

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70

thorn bison Sep 24, 2025, 3:59 PM

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tribal trail 70

stop this cruelty

tribal trail Sep 24, 2025, 4:01 PM

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thorn bison stop this cruelty

no

thorn bison Sep 24, 2025, 4:01 PM

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you monster

iron moon Sep 24, 2025, 5:19 PM

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wise hinge

What is this pack

white willow Sep 24, 2025, 7:03 PM

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found out something neat. the shadows fit into the heightmaps and get the normal "height" from them

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idk if i do or dont like this but its neat

deft cradle Sep 24, 2025, 7:28 PM

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tribal trail release

Thought I was the only one also the contrast

iron moon Sep 24, 2025, 7:47 PM

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white willow found out something neat. the shadows fit into the heightmaps and get the normal...

Though it was a bug

cold vortex Sep 24, 2025, 7:57 PM

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white willow

How?

white willow Sep 24, 2025, 11:40 PM

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cold vortex How?

how what

wise hinge Sep 25, 2025, 12:05 AM

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iron moon What is this pack

mew mew pack

quick beacon Sep 25, 2025, 12:53 AM

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BetterRTX on an Ultra Wide 1440p monitor.

blazing whale Sep 25, 2025, 1:59 AM

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Added mud block 2K

deft cradle Sep 25, 2025, 3:23 AM

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scaring me with these pics

cold vortex Sep 25, 2025, 9:43 AM

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white willow how what

What is the texture pack(resource pack or whatever its called)?

cold vortex Sep 25, 2025, 9:44 AM

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quick beacon BetterRTX on an Ultra Wide 1440p monitor.

Addon name?

wise hinge Sep 25, 2025, 9:59 AM

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cold vortex Addon name?

better on bedrock

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-# butter on bedrock /j

thorn bison Sep 25, 2025, 10:03 AM

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wise hinge -# butter on bedrock /j

but we already have butter on bedrock

wise hinge Sep 25, 2025, 11:30 AM

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1M kcal butter cat_depressed

thorn bison Sep 25, 2025, 11:30 AM

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wise hinge 1M kcal butter<:cat_depressed:1174192719753646171> <:cat_depressed:1174192719753...

the way i like it

wise hinge Sep 25, 2025, 1:34 PM

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waaaaaa

fading kindle Sep 25, 2025, 2:40 PM

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quick beacon BetterRTX on an Ultra Wide 1440p monitor.

love it.

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 3:08 PM

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cold vortex What is the texture pack(resource pack or whatever its called)?

Vanilla Reforged

wise hinge Sep 25, 2025, 3:14 PM

#

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 6:28 PM

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ok so im messing around with some of the shadow_configs jsons

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i REALLY think the shadows_json should get one option from there at least, maybe 2

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shadow pcf width per cascade level.
cloud shadow contribution

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or soft shadows should be less soft by default tbh. by default they can get really mushy quite easily

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left is edited right is default. i do think the PCF filter used is very good. the penumbras are really nice however, being able to reduce the softening, or just using less in general would be better imo

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small objects like grass though get destroyed by the filter

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this is were PCSS would come in handy, or some kind of variable penumbra shadowing

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but

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still, should be optional

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left is pc ultra, vs modified pcf width

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you can see that the grass gets kinda mushy

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i should just make a feedback post. idk if thats even really worth tho

unborn moss Sep 25, 2025, 7:55 PM

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iron moon

rtx just had so much potetial fr

unborn moss Sep 25, 2025, 7:57 PM

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tropic rampart Reflections off vs Reflections low

lmao, before vs before

tropic rampart Sep 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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unborn moss rtx just had so much potetial fr

I wonder when they'll go back to it tbh.

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i feel like at some point, they will.

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not in the particularly near future, but when the next gen consoles are here and more devices can do ray tracing, i could see them making another attempt at it. Before, it didn't really make any sense to focus on it when most people wouldn't have been able to use it anyway, and that's still the case now, but in 5-10 years it might change.

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 8:21 PM

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holy crap ive just found something really huge

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so im making a resource pack that uses pretty much all vanilla VV stuff (without the biome configs) and i was just messing with tonemaps

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reinhard (basic), generic (default vv), hable, and aces...

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generic is genuinely i think one of the main issues with default VV im gonna be so real

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i think hable captures the vanilla look far better than generic's weird color mashing

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all of this with mojang's default lighting, atmosphere and color grading btw

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im making a pack rn that contains all of vanilla VV (as of 1.21.90) and just see how that changes things

quick beacon Sep 25, 2025, 8:27 PM

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quick beacon BetterRTX on an Ultra Wide 1440p monitor.

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 8:32 PM

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left vanilla generic, right hable.

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hable, generic

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lemme see reinhard

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reinhard isnt too different from hable

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this looks so good

deft cradle Sep 25, 2025, 8:46 PM

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let me try rq

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@white willow aces and hable

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reinhard

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reinhard luminance

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reinhard luma

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it mostly depends on the pack ngl

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 8:53 PM

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nice to know reinhard luminance is still dookie

deft cradle Sep 25, 2025, 8:54 PM

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that sun was too yellow

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 8:57 PM

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im making a few adjustments to the vanilla VV configs

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while retaining the look

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vanilla with my small tweaks, vs vanilla

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vanilla and my edit

tribal trail Sep 25, 2025, 9:17 PM

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white willow generic is genuinely i think one of the main issues with default VV im gonna be ...

ofc it is

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it shows colors incorrectly

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and some of them get weird tint sometimes

white willow Sep 25, 2025, 9:20 PM

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edit vs vanilla

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no i didnt increase fog

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my edit vs vanilla

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edit might be a tad too bright atm

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but its just a concept

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the point is to kinda just show vv with a bit more appealing colors

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im gonna tweak it some more in a few. get it closer to vanilla

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I'm gonna test a different tonemap

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I'm gonna try and make this actually look like vanilla MC which vanilla VV goes for

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I have ideas

deft cradle Sep 26, 2025, 3:49 AM

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white willow I'm gonna test a different tonemap

which one handles auto exposure the best in your opinion

graceful iron Sep 26, 2025, 4:44 AM

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A preview of the next Vibrancy update
(The 300% Better Update)

wise hinge Sep 26, 2025, 5:13 AM

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smash that statue

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smash

blazing whale Sep 26, 2025, 5:57 AM

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wise hinge smash that statue

Vibrant cat

wise hinge Sep 26, 2025, 6:01 AM

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yes I am a cat
who called me a dog deserves thousand times of cat punch

tropic rampart Sep 26, 2025, 7:07 AM

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white willow reinhard (basic), generic (default vv), hable, and aces...

I wish they let us select these in-game.
overall, small tweaks to vanilla VV stuff (where it's not big enough to warrant its own resource pack by itself) should be available in-game as options. This also applies to soft shadows and waves (and colored point lights).

leaden stump Sep 26, 2025, 12:22 PM

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Guys, does anyone knows how to fix Lazurite 0.5.0 error when I Compile Material Bin Shaders : Failed to match file magic, when it worked on Lazurite 0.4.2

wise hinge Sep 26, 2025, 3:28 PM

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thorn bison Sep 26, 2025, 3:52 PM

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wise hinge

quite nice tbh

wise hinge Sep 26, 2025, 4:03 PM

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CatCookie

peak crypt Sep 26, 2025, 7:19 PM

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wise hinge

I might eat my monitor when this releases

quick beacon Sep 26, 2025, 7:49 PM

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quick beacon

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I really wish Mojang kept on updating RTX

silent zealot Sep 26, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Nah.

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https://tenor.com/view/let-it-die-gif-16851571680202593785

Tenor

quick beacon Sep 26, 2025, 7:52 PM

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hard_sobbing

tribal trail Sep 26, 2025, 7:56 PM

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quick beacon I really wish Mojang kept on updating RTX

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-frozen-frozen-meme-gif-27324573

Tenor

deft cradle Sep 26, 2025, 8:44 PM

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my room was as hot as an erupting volcano with RTX

long ruin Sep 26, 2025, 9:18 PM

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distraughtangel

graceful iron Sep 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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cat_explode

iron moon Sep 26, 2025, 11:38 PM

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quick beacon I really wish Mojang kept on updating RTX

I'd be nice to see it on Xbox as they promised

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I'm sure that when hytale comes out rtx is gonna be updated

languid mirage Sep 26, 2025, 11:51 PM

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iron moon I'm sure that when hytale comes out rtx is gonna be updated

There is no logical reason for them to update RTX just because another game was released.

It never came to Xbox for a Ton of reasons.

Maybe we will be lucky enough to have support with the next generation of Xbox consoles.

iron moon Sep 26, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Hytale was cancelled...

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That was the joke

languid mirage Sep 26, 2025, 11:52 PM

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iron moon That was the joke

Went clear over my head.

I never kept up with Hytale tbh.

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 2:44 AM

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progress on my remake of default VV

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the goal is to keep the look pretty much the same but with better color palette

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 3:31 AM

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brought things even more in line with vanilla

long ruin Sep 27, 2025, 3:33 AM

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what default should've been

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dead

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 3:33 AM

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although i think for style purposes the earlier, brighter version with yellower sunlight looked a bit better to me

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with the brightness tuned back a bit, it might not be too bad imo

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and also i did like the thicker fog brought in with the stronger sunlight, but that may also just be me

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right is the older version with the yellower sunlight

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but the skies matched up less

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and default vs the current version of the edit with more vanilla colors

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 3:36 AM

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long ruin what default should've been

i agree. it just took a few changes to get basically the same look but a bit more appealing

long ruin Sep 27, 2025, 3:36 AM

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Yeah, default seems too washed out

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 3:37 AM

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its weird cuz like

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its really saturated. like super SUPER saturated

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but also insanely washed at the same time

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most of the issues are the tonemap operator

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afaik generic is a custom tonemapper, and it needs some work imo.

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generic feels like its meant to capture the look of vanilla mc, but it doesnt do that very well, and the way it handles colors just looks/feels wrong. it like bleeds colors together. its not great

wise hinge Sep 27, 2025, 3:49 AM

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tf they uses very high rayleigh

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 3:51 AM

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It's fine for generic

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But if you swap it you have to reduce it quite a bit

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Reinhard is somewhat ok actually but hable and aces get destroyed

thorn bison Sep 27, 2025, 8:15 AM

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wise hinge tf they uses very high rayleigh

those are some VERY precise keyframes

bronze galleon Sep 27, 2025, 10:37 AM

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So gotta put min and max to 0?

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 11:25 AM

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Put them to the same value. The exact value depends on how bright you want the game to look like. If 0 is too dark, use a higher value. If it's too bright, use a smaller (negative) value

bronze galleon Sep 27, 2025, 12:13 PM

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sonic canopy Put them to the same value. The exact value depends on how bright you want the g...

I put them in the same value but i still got cubemap issue

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 12:13 PM

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What issues?

bronze galleon Sep 27, 2025, 12:13 PM

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color not matching

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to each screenshot

#

#

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 12:33 PM

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Could be due to bloom

ornate hollow Sep 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Better rtx sub surface scattering when?

thorn bison Sep 27, 2025, 7:00 PM

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ornate hollow Better rtx sub surface scattering when?

rtx ain't getting updated :(

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:19 PM

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ive figured it out

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i know how generic works

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and well unsuprisingly

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its generic

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it takes colors as they are

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lets say you put a test color into photoshop right

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and you copy the rgb values into your pack.

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they will come out exactly as they look in the photoshop color wheel

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errr near exact

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but basically the big thing with generic and why default VV looks flat with it (and by extension any pack trying to work with it) is because of how literally it takes colors

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most tonemaps have like "hot points" which are basically points that are like clipping towards white. generic doesnt have that. its all just single shade

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with a ton of work and color grading magic you can get a decent looking generic config, however it will suffer from the flatness

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but also generic comes with a fun problem, especially with fog where uh... it kinda just... doesnt blend lmao

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like it looks ok but its so painfully flat

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especially when compared to like hable for example

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yeesh. left is hable

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genuinely for any creator, just do not use generic. making it work is just not worth your time im serious

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 8:47 PM

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vec3 TonemapGeneric(vec3 rgb) {
    float peak = max(rgb.r, max(rgb.g, rgb.b));
    vec3 ratio = rgb / peak;
    peak = pow(peak, GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.x);
    peak = peak / (GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.y * peak + GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.z);
    ratio = mix(ratio, vec3(1.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f), pow(peak, GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.w));
    return peak * ratio;
}```

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You're right, it pretty much just takes color and pushes it towards white based on brightness. It's quite customisable but the customisation is not exposed to creators so it could be treated as a hardcoded tonemapper of vanilla Vibrant Visuals

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:50 PM

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so... what your saying...

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is it could be really good

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but we dont have any of it

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WHY

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 8:52 PM

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white willow is it could be really good

Not sure about good, you could take the code and try it out in your shader if you're curious. But we are pretty much missing most of its customisation like contrast, scale, offset and crosstalk. Tbh when that tonemapper was first introduced I was expecting for these parameters to become available to creators at some point, but that never happened

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:53 PM

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although idk if that would help the terrible mixing of colors. cuz as i showed the fog doesnt even like mix correctly

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:53 PM

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sonic canopy Not sure about good, you could take the code and try it out in your shader if yo...

hm... i might check it out. is the other stuff like the contrast/crosstalk and all that in the mcbe shader codebase

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 8:54 PM

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GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk is just one uniform, its value is not in the source code but I'll look up the default value that the game uses in a sec

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:55 PM

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alright. that would be helpful. just to see kinda how changing that might affect things

silent zealot Sep 27, 2025, 8:56 PM

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sonic canopy `GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk` is just one uniform, it...

soggy_cat What is this struct.

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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Don't even get me started on the FirstPersonPlayerShadowsEnabledAndResolutionAndFilterWidthAndTextureDimensions

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 8:58 PM

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what the hell

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these names are insane

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kSquaredInverseSquaredMieEccentricity this is a fun one

long ruin Sep 27, 2025, 8:59 PM

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catbite

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 8:59 PM

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sonic canopy Don't even get me started on the `FirstPersonPlayerShadowsEnabledAndResolutionAn...

Tbf such descriptive names are better than something like firstPrsShdwResFltrWdthTexDim

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:00 PM

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id rather know what it does yea

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but still its so long

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two incredibly different results with various values

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the tonemap could be quite interesting

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:04 PM

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vec4 GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk = vec4(1, 0.997265, 1.36752, 25);

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Default values in VV

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Although, it appears like mojang updated generic tonemapper code

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:04 PM

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might be how my shader is configured rn. but it does look like vv to an extent

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my lighting is kinda cooked rn regardless

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yea it pretty much looks like VV

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yea so things that are bright, take priority

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so reducing the w parameter actually helps with that

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but it also desaturates things

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yum

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i think we should get this customization, it just seems really sensitive

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i dont really think its all that great even with it tho.

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although this does look neat

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:17 PM

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Ok so this is the new generic tonemap

vec3 TonemapGeneric(vec3 rgb) {
    vec4 GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk = vec4(1, 0.997265, 1.36752, 25);
    vec4 GenericTonemapperCrosstalkParams = vec4(8, 0, 0, 0);

    float peak = max(rgb.r, max(rgb.g, rgb.b));
    vec3 ratio = rgb / peak;
    peak = pow(peak, GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.x);
    peak = peak / (GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.y * peak + GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.z);

    return pow(
        mix(
            pow(ratio, vec3(1.0 / GenericTonemapperCrosstalkParams.x)), 
            vec3(1.0), 
            vec3(pow(peak, GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk.w))
        ), 
        vec3(GenericTonemapperCrosstalkParams.x)
    ) * peak;
}```

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One more parameter to play with

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:17 PM

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lets see how this looks

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yea i mean

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it looks like VV

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even shows the lovely color banding

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:21 PM

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Make sure to set your color buffers to r11_g11_b10 and disable dithering to get the full VV banding experience

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:21 PM

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ah im currently using RGB16F

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let me change that

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i dont do any dithering atm tho

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lovely

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Feels like home

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:25 PM

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what i can say is the new generic is way less sensitive to changes

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however. i have no idea what GenericTonemapperCrosstalkParams it makes no difference

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and it only uses the x which... why isnt it a float at that point

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:26 PM

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BGFX doesn't support float uniforms, that's probbaly why

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:26 PM

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ah

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ok im going back to rgb16f

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banding is basically gone. unless its like a driver reason to use the other one

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got a config that actually doesnt look to bad.

long ruin Sep 27, 2025, 9:28 PM

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white willow even shows the lovely color banding

sigh, color banding..

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:29 PM

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I think VV uses such a small color buffer format for performance on mobile platforms, but it is a mystery to me why it's not using any form of dithering to combat the color banding issue

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:30 PM

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yk.... this looks pretty cool i cant lie

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sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:32 PM

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Which values did you use?

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:32 PM

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 vec4 GenericTonemapperContrastAndScaleAndOffsetAndCrosstalk = vec4(1.15, 0.997265, 0.71, 5);
    vec4 GenericTonemapperCrosstalkParams = vec4(15, 0, 0, 0);

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:33 PM

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I wanna try making a material.bin modification with these rq. Luckily with uniforms there is no need to touch actual shader code and it's possible to just modify uniform values directly instead

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:33 PM

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i am interested in seeing how this works in vv

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cuz my shader just in general is very different

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honestly its not even all that bad on these settings

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:39 PM

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after/before

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:40 PM

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yea that is a tad nicer tbh

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:41 PM

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if u wanna try editing it yourself:

lazurite unpack ./ColorPostProcessing.material.bin
go into ColorPostProcessing/uniforms and edit uniforms prefixed with CUSTOM_
lazurite pack ./ColorPostProcessing/

📎 ColorPostProcessing.material.bin

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That material is for a preview version and requires lazurite 0.5.0 to work with

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:49 PM

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sonic canopy if u wanna try editing it yourself: - `lazurite unpack ./ColorPostProcessing.mat...

im still a bit unsure on lazurite atm

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 198, in _run_module_as_main
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 88, in _run_code
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\Scripts\lazurite.exe\__main__.py", line 7, in <module>
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\cli.py", line 452, in main
    commands[args.command](args)
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\cli.py", line 61, in unpack
    for file in list_packed_materials(args):
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\cli.py", line 23, in list_packed_materials
    raise Exception("Invalid path to material or folder")
Exception: Invalid path to material or folder
``` this is what i did

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and my folders are set up this way

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Right click on a material file and choose "copy as path"

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:50 PM

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ohhhh

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Then paste that path. Maybe this is due to a mismatch with forward and back slashes or maybe there is a typo somewhere in the path

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

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uh. so i did that but it generated nothing

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Check C:\Users\stone\ColorPostProcessing

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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nothing

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{
  "base_profile": {
    "platforms": [
      "Direct3D_SM40",
      "Direct3D_SM50",
      "Direct3D_SM60",
      "Direct3D_SM65",
      "ESSL_300",
      "ESSL_310"
    ],
    "merge_source": ["../vanilla"]
  },
  "profiles": {
    "windows": {
      "platforms": [
        "Direct3D_SM40",
        "Direct3D_SM50",
        "Direct3D_SM60",
        "Direct3D_SM65"
      ]
    },
    "android": {
      "platforms": ["ESSL_300", "ESSL_310"]
    }
  }
}
``` this might be wrong

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Ah, there is no need for a project.json and anything like that

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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oh

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i see

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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sonic canopy if u wanna try editing it yourself: - `lazurite unpack ./ColorPostProcessing.mat...

This is literally it

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So did unpacking work?

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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PS C:\Users\stone> lazurite unpack "F:\ColorStuff\vanilla\ColorPostProcessing.material.bin"
ColorPostProcessing.material.bin
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 198, in _run_module_as_main
  File "<frozen runpy>", line 88, in _run_code
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\Scripts\lazurite.exe\__main__.py", line 7, in <module>
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\cli.py", line 452, in main
    commands[args.command](args)
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\cli.py", line 78, in unpack
    material.store(
  File "C:\Users\stone\AppData\Local\Packages\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.12_qbz5n2kfra8p0\LocalCache\local-packages\Python312\site-packages\lazurite\material\material.py", line 190, in store
    os.makedirs(material_dir)
  File "<frozen os>", line 225, in makedirs
FileExistsError: [WinError 183] Cannot create a file when that file already exists: 'ColorPostProcessing'

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idk what it means by already exists

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cuz it doesnt

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:55 PM

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I think that means there is already a folder C:\Users\stone\ColorPostProcessing

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Newly created folders and files show up at the very bottom in file explorer btw, unless you refresh, so you miht've missed it

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 9:56 PM

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if i try and unpack the other one thats in downloads it also fails the same way

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and nothing new was made

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 9:57 PM

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sonic canopy I think that means there is already a folder `C:\Users\stone\ColorPostProcessing...

I'm pretty sure it unpacked to C:\Users\stone\ folder

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So in C:\Users\stone\ there should be a folder called ColorPostProcessing

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:00 PM

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ah found it

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a bit annoying it put it there rather than the folder i wanted to work in but oh well

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:00 PM

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It's because you opened a command prompt in C:\Users\stone

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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i see

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how do i compile these after?

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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In explorer, once you are in the right folder, you can right click on an empty space and click on "open in Terminal" and it'll open a cmd session in that folder

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:01 PM

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oh wait

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you said how

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nvm

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, just edit & pack

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You can also use -o argument to output material.bin (or unpack material) in a different folder.

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:03 PM

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so would i just select that folder as the pack location

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then i can output it to my desired folder

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sick that worked

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:04 PM

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If you want the result of a pack or unpack command to appear in a folder that's different from a folder where you opened a cmd window, then you'll use -o argument, yeah. E.g. lazurite unpack "F:\ColorStuff\vanilla\ColorPostProcessing.material.bin" -o "F:\ColorStuff\"

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I usually make a new folder in renderer/materials and work in there, then modify materias.index.json by inserting entries at the top (entries at the top take priority). That allows me to easily toggle shaders on and off by commenting out entries in a json file, no need to backup or delete/move any files

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:07 PM

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dang

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Also, reloading material.bin files after an edit can be done by re-joining the world or running /reload all. Unlike RTXStub which requires to reload the whole game

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:08 PM

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is there uh... a way to get the fully vanilla file back. i didnt think about just using material index...

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or would i have to like fully uninstall

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Lol

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File repair option in MS Store could work. Or you can use this material

📎 ColorPostProcessing.material.bin

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Vanilla material from my game installation ^

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:17 PM

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ok so. tehy have updated default VV a bit in the previews. it does look a bit better in general

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i dont really work in preview much so interesting to see that

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i knew they changed like contrast around but it does look quite a bit better than current release

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:32 PM

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why is this stuff not exposed to us. this actually looks kinda nice

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silent zealot Sep 27, 2025, 10:35 PM

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white willow why is this stuff not exposed to us. this actually looks kinda nice

What exactly?

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:35 PM

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generic tonemapping parameters

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this really doesnt look too bad tbh

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generic isnt too bad when you arent using the defaults 😭

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white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:48 PM

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sonic canopy I wanna try making a material.bin modification with these rq. Luckily with unifo...

how would you even see modern shader code? cuz im looking into an unpacked material and this is not readable unless theres a way to convert it from binary or whatever its in

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this is wonderful

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Yeah it has to be decompiled

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:48 PM

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does lazurite have a way to do that or would i need a different software.

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atp it does NOT seem worth it to try and edit this stuff

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:49 PM

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white willow does lazurite have a way to do that or would i need a different software.

Different software

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:49 PM

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yea not messing with that then lmao

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:50 PM

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Alternatively you can get the code from android materials but it's optimized (effectively obfuscated). The code is no better than what you'd get after decompiling windows shader binaries

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:50 PM

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lovely

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yea thats not workable

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i think even seus ptgi is a tad more readable

sonic canopy Sep 27, 2025, 10:51 PM

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I have some plans for updating lazurite and bringing source code back tho, I'll be working on that in the near future

white willow Sep 27, 2025, 10:51 PM

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would be nice

deft cradle Sep 28, 2025, 4:35 AM

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i like it

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any more to make my mc peak

wise hinge Sep 28, 2025, 5:38 AM

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bronze galleon Sep 28, 2025, 10:53 AM

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sonic canopy Could be due to bloom

oh

still zenith Sep 28, 2025, 4:02 PM

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white willow i should just make a feedback post. idk if thats even really worth tho

I appreciate all feedback 🙏

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So it sounds like there is desire for more tonemapping parameters to be exposed in packs, right? 😀

silent zealot Sep 28, 2025, 4:09 PM

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still zenith So it sounds like there is desire for more tonemapping parameters to be exposed ...

There is a desire for more parameters to be exposed in general haha. But tonemapping is one of the big ones I've seen discussed around here.

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:09 PM

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Yes! Would love more tuned control over things

still zenith Sep 28, 2025, 4:13 PM

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FYI the generic tone mapper is specifically trying to avoid something called "hue shifting" at high luminance values. It grades in a color volume as opposed to individual channels. That's the crosstalk bit.

There was a really good talk from Gran Turismo 7 that you can find online that shows the effect of it on certain colors. Orange was one that suffered pretty bad IIRC. We did ours differently, but its trying to tackle the same problem.

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ACES will look pretty close to film. Hable too, but different responses in certain ranges.

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The Reinhards are less "realistic" but they tend to look pretty good in lowish luminance ranges, especially in cartoonish scenes imo.

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:15 PM

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Ah yea. I was looking into doing the GT7 tonemap for a project. I think generic does handle that well but as I posted there are some issues (like fog not blending well, and extreme color banding being shown with it)

still zenith Sep 28, 2025, 4:16 PM

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Yeah, the color banding is bad. Dithering is an option on the table for sure. FP16 fixes it, but we can't really afford it on mobile.

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Now that we have dithering tech in the game though, maybe we can make it happen. 🙂

silent zealot Sep 28, 2025, 4:17 PM

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soggy_cat Wrong team but it be great if we can control what gets dithered for Creators.

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:18 PM

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Hopefully! It's one of the big grievances I see from people online about the default look (the banding not dithering)

still zenith Sep 28, 2025, 4:19 PM

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I can bring that feedback to the team, though with it being for accessibility purposes, I don't know we'd want to let Creators override it. 🤔

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Dithering does need some polish though, you're right. We have a handful of bugs on it.

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It was a cross team effort though. I wrote the shader. 😀

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:23 PM

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I wanted to do a like "contrast aware" dithered scene for a project but never got to it. Could be a cool art style

still zenith Sep 28, 2025, 4:24 PM

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That would be cool

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:24 PM

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Every tutorial I found was using a shader graph and graphs bother me lol. I can't find anything half the time

silent zealot Sep 28, 2025, 4:24 PM

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still zenith I can bring that feedback to the team, though with it being for accessibility pu...

I understand that, I've seen @sonic canopy create a feedback post on why we need to have control over it. He can give you the link to it.

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:25 PM

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white willow Every tutorial I found was using a shader graph and graphs bother me lol. I can...

Undeniably a very useful tool just I kinda dislike node scripting

white willow Sep 28, 2025, 4:27 PM

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still zenith

Perhaps the time will allow soon. Or I'll get a project that lets me do it. Or be bored and look into it.

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