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[viscid moth]

WOW

[thorn bison]

istg whenever i use client biomes this always happens 😭

[primal girder]

Custom EndSky material bin

[viscid moth]

LOOKS COOL AF

[thorn bison]

lol

[viscid moth]

reminds me of this horror mod where there's a BIG AHH spider that lives below the void

[thorn bison]

omg yes

looks simmilar

[viscid moth]

ngl you could go for a horror pack/ ig map making

[thorn bison]

i could mb

but it only happens in small patches of water

[viscid moth]

i think it's bc texture is too detailed so
the game ignores it until you get really close

[thorn bison]

it's not actually a texture

[viscid moth]

normal right?

or ig water.json

[thorn bison]

yea

water.json gone wrong i think

i actually have no idea lmao

[viscid moth]

nope it's kinda expected

when the pattern get too dense
you some times get like gross slime pattern or
something like yours

ehm however your's seems to gone wrong bc
the other part is still like mc water texture

[thorn bison]

indeed

idk what it is tho

this is my water json

[viscid moth]

💀 editor doesn't crash anymore with VV but

[thorn bison]

oof

colour grading said no

[viscid moth]

never mind it's working now

[thorn bison]

oh nice

[thorn bison]

looks like ur having water issues too?

[viscid moth]

yuh
the wave's aren't loading

[thorn bison]

idk why the waves don't load in the editor

[viscid moth]

it does also happen in normal mc
when you enabled in-game graphics switching
you switch between fancy and vv the water waves doesn't load
unless you reoad the world

also O_O
new settings when did they add this

[thorn bison]

idk

they were there when i started using the editor

[viscid moth]

now the world is black 💀

[viscid moth]

oh

[thorn bison]

(like 5 days agol lol)

[viscid moth]

I'm gonna go bye bye

[thorn bison]

k

cya

[viscid moth]

cya too

[thorn bison]

prettyyyy

[wise hinge]

Thanks, I'll give you a cookie

[thorn bison]

nom nom

ur cat emojis are hilarious XD

[white willow]

Hey look, an ambient occlusion map

[proud pike]

So real

[wise hinge]

-# debug mode

[fading kindle]

Love it.

how does the rain looks like

[sonic canopy]

Looks the same as in vanilla BRTX, I didn't add anything special yet

[fading kindle]

[graceful iron]

(Vibrancy)

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

what does mie scattering do?

[white willow]

Easy answer, basically there's a colored "bloom" around the sun, mie scattering changes that

(Not vv) but an example

[thorn bison]

tysm

[thorn bison]

so would higher mie scattering make a bigger "bloom"?

[white willow]

Yea. Sun glare shape also affects it

Smaller glare shape, larger scattering

Still haven't fully figured out how they loop together though

[thorn bison]

I see

thx :)

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Deferred V4.0

[wise hinge]

1

[ornate hollow]

😂 🎉

😔

😔

[proud pike]

[thorn bison]

?

[wise hinge]

[obtuse pelican]

man I want so hard to try out making shaders but the problem is that my phone doesn't support them at all 💀

[quasi trench]

the next best thing you can rlly do in that case is create your own vibrant visuals resource pack

[keen crystal]

Does anyone know how to find the color grading files for minecraft

"minecraft:atmosphere_identifier": { "atmosphere_identifier": "minecraft:pale_garden_atmospherics" }, "minecraft:color_grading_identifier": { "color_grading_identifier": "minecraft:coolish_color_grading" }, "minecraft:lighting_identifier": { "lighting_identifier": "minecraft:pale_garden_lighting" }, "minecraft:water_identifier": { "water_identifier": "minecraft:default_water

They clearly exist but the bedrock samples don't seem to have the files

[silent zealot]

It's in the windows app folder.

[astral hatch]

Window Apps Folder

The Window Apps Folder has additional files, not available in the VRP/VBP downloads.

Location: ProgramFiles/WindowsApps/someminecraftfolderuwp

How to get Access: https://www.maketecheasier.com/access-windowsapps-folder-windows-10/

Aug 2, 2025, 12:02 AM

[keen crystal]

oh interesting

Found it! thanks!

[keen crystal]

is there anything I can do about the water visibility or no

[white willow]

Like in fog? Nope

Fog doesn't exactly layer over water correctly

[keen crystal]

damn

Its weird because in Minecraft Editor it looks fine but in game it looks like that

[white willow]

Editor has bugged water

So it's not technically fine

[keen crystal]

Ah-

Welp it is what it is ig

[analog totem]

woah strawberry deffered looks more cool here than in comparision what i saw before ... 🤔

but yet i still lovee lumininious dreams for its peakness ❤️

[white willow]

something im experimenting with for betterRTX

this could be worth looking into for VV if it wasnt considered too

[quick nymph]

What exactly is it?

[white willow]

so it changes the way fog is distributed and whatnot. VV already has a method in place. henyey-greenstein.

here im messing with one called Cornette-shanks which is quite similar to Henyey-Greenstein but a bit more accurate

[quick nymph]

It looks much better than the one in VV but that could be due to it being RTX though

[white willow]

well RTX fog is different from VV regardless

RTX uses something called Froxel Fog Volumes

its essentially path traced fog

VV does your typical raymarched volumetrics based on the shadowmap

rtx currently uses henyey greenstein like VV. I was just experimenting with cornette cuz i use it in my shader

[ornate hollow]

how to make fog like old fog before improved?

[white willow]

Set henyey greenstein g value to anything that's around 0.3 and lower

0.0 is exactly the same as old fog

But I like 0.25 for old fog look

Since it retains some of the increased power by the sun

[thorn bison]

what does henyey greenstien do?

[ornate hollow]

yes i want to know too

[white willow]

Henyey greenstein is a lighting phase function, originally created to simulate MIE phases. But basically it's like an asymmetry function. The lower the value, the more asymmetrical the fog is. Basically it's very uniform. Higher values are less uniform and retain more power closer to the sun

0.25 vs 0.7

[thorn bison]

omg this is actually exactly what i was looking for lmao

tysm

[white willow]

Np

[sonic canopy]

So does VV

[proud pike]

[white willow]

Wait whaaaa? I thought it did typical raymarching

[ornate hollow]

hmmmm i think there's more VV changed

and i've found out

chunk loaded faster on my laptop

[quasi trench]

which vibrant visuals resource pack are you using

[ornate hollow]

vibrant vanilla PBR

[languid mirage]

6.5 FPS 😭 😭 😭

Point lights 🥰🥰

[quasi trench]

turn off pointlight shadows if you want to preserve perf

[fading kindle]

quick question, how to open the minecraft deferred rendering shader editor?

[ornate hollow]

?

what do you mean?

[thorn bison]

open up the editor, then on the top bar, go to world > vibrant visuals settings

[fading kindle]

this thing, i pretty sure i read this in idk which version's changelog

[fading kindle]

minecraft:?Editor=true this editor?

[thorn bison]

u can launch the editor in the mc launcher

[wise hinge]

yep that's for stable version. For preview version,

create shortcut > type minecraft-preview?Editor=true, next > name something, finish > you will see a new shortcut with the same icon as the normal preview app

[fading kindle]

oh i found it

[fading kindle]

tysm >v<

[thorn bison]

np :)

[tribal trail]

wait, really?!

[tribal trail]

:0

didn't know that

[silent zealot]

Smh.

Banned.

Tbf tbough VV Editor is still a bad UX.

Something I still need to rant about in #1339727065846648906

[tribal trail]

I DON"T USE IT OFTEN

[tribal trail]

io it's not bad

[thorn bison]

DON'T BAN US PLEASE

[tribal trail]

i just prefer do everything myself

[silent zealot]

Keyframes sucks.

[thorn bison]

fr

[silent zealot]

The only good thing Editor used to do was water now even thats broken.

[charred badge]

I notice that in the end dimension, fog makes the terrain black in the distance. Is it possible to change this color?

[viscid moth]

huge achievement
I have finally experienced it
INFAMOUS PINK BUG

[white willow]

I do not like the new keyframe editor. Idk how it works and it doesn't look very good. It's also bad for precision

It's not intuitive

[thorn bison]

congratulations

i have yet to experience this natural wonder

[viscid moth]

I've experienced Blue bug, now pink bug

[thorn bison]

blue bug?

[viscid moth]

yeah it was in early stages of deferred
where every texture ingame would turn blue

[thorn bison]

i see

sounds hilarious

[white willow]

there was also the green bug on android not too long ago

[arctic drift]

i dont think ive gotten the pink glitch in years

i remember i used to get it all the time

[peak crypt]

I get it every once in a while

It's usually when my GPU driver crashes for whatever reason

[viscid moth]

btw is there a bug that makes blocks have SSS
even tho i didn't add _subsurface in the texture set

[viscid moth]

nvm there's no bug
i just forgot about subpacks

[wise hinge]

[iron moon]

Looks so good

What pack is it

[primal girder]

Unreleased

[quasi trench]

sus

[wise hinge]

mew mew cat dog pack

[iron moon]

Preset?

[fading kindle]

Infectious

[iron moon]

Jk

[wise hinge]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

dang it makes me feel i want to go back to hable

[viscid moth]

you should
hable is best

[wise hinge]

trying in another project
sss looks better

[viscid moth]

hable makes the game look game like
if yk what i mean
aces is good but i ain't tryna interstella

[white willow]

I love aces but soemthing about the way it's implemented in VV is weird. It has quite a few issues that I can just avoid with hable

[viscid moth]

wdym by weird
do you not like smth or is there smth wrong

[white willow]

I think there's something wrong with it. Or it was my own skill issue, not sure but trying to make any scene look believably bright would just... blind you hable doesn't have that issue

Also auto exposure sucks with aces

[viscid moth]

oh that's one of the reasons why i don't use and

AE Sucks for me with aces

[white willow]

Yea it's rough

Sucks cuz I like aces a lot

[sonic canopy]

I think JNNGL uses the same aces implementation

[white willow]

Maybe? I haven't looked at either

[viscid moth]

shame for me bc it looks really good with realistic textures for me

[white willow]

The one I use in my shader is really good

Might be the same as VV idk

[sonic canopy]

VV used ACES Fitted from BakingLab

[white willow]

I see.

[sonic canopy]

This one
https://github.com/TheRealMJP/BakingLab/blob/master/BakingLab/ACES.hlsl

[white willow]

This might be the same one I use actually

I found the one I'm using now from a shader on shadertoy

Which looks similar

Yep

Wonder why it looks so off in VV

Could just be the aces doesn't handle the color grading aspect very well?

Their aces has a deep frying issue. Even with only midtones and no additional contrast

Primarily in low light situations

[white willow]

No VV updates 😔

[long ruin]

sigh

[wise hinge]

vv changelog
-fixed nothing

[ornate hollow]

no VV update

no reason to update the game!👍

[languid mirage]

Nah but green torch will be dope as fuck when the Coloured lighting Rework is finished

[wise hinge]

ummm hable

[forest iris]

@wise hinge what vibrant visual are u using here?

[daring jewel]

His own one that he is making, its not released yet

[tribal trail]

skill issue

[wise hinge]

Quick question- should colored wool blocks have sss?

[proud pike]

slightly yea imo

[forest iris]

It looks so good and beautiful 😍❤️ can't wait to be released

[wise hinge]

slightly~
looks fine?

[proud pike]

[viscid moth]

when i know there's smth wrong with lanterns but can't pin point what exactly

[tribal trail]

why not?

wool should have sss so colored one too

[wise hinge]

[viscid moth]

I WAS RIGHT
TEXTURES WERE A LITTLE BIT OFF

i used java textures to make the mers and i copy pasted the bedrock ones when the update released

[wise hinge]

does this sunflower sss look weird?

[proud pike]

I'd tone it down personally

A bit of SSS across the stem is fine but that's a bit too apperant

[wise hinge]

toned down a little bit
looks fine?

[proud pike]

Looks just right

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Deferred Cloudy V2

[peak crypt]

I want this

Your pack is going to be so peak

I can't even lie

[thorn bison]

what's the infectious preset?

[quick nymph]

That is quirky plague's preset

[thorn bison]

thx

[forest iris]

Hi

[unborn moss]

this looks incredible tf?

[blazing whale]

Thank you

[wise hinge]

rayyyyyy

[peak crypt]

Nom
Maybe reduce the sss on the sand though
It's really intense

[wise hinge]

oh well I made all of the sss more visible so it looks pretty intense
I would change it tho

yes im using intense sss
but not sure how it should be

[blazing whale]

the light made the Vibrant Visuals I was using only get 2 fps 🗿

[wise hinge]

lol

[teal siren]

How would I do this?

[silent zealot]

Check the wiki on removing entity shadows.

[teal siren]

so, turns out that wasnt what I wanted

Im trying to make an entity display over all blocks, but it darkens when inside a block

[wise hinge]

it's less intense now I think
thanks btw

[teal siren]

Also what make it show underwater?

[peak crypt]

Looks way more natural
I like it

[wise hinge]

yay

[charred badge]

is there any way to enforce an atmospheric setting outside of being biome-specific? like, with gametest or a fog setting?

or commands?

[white willow]

If you wanna test sn atmospheric file, just set that one as the global one

But otherwise no there's no way

[sonic canopy]

You can apply fogs with commands and API

[pale urchin]

This is about the atmosphere though

[sonic canopy]

Ahh, right. Can't do that then

[wise hinge]

I was expecting at least 5 words of vv changelog

[thorn bison]

same

mb next preview

[sonic canopy]

More likely in 2 previews

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

😭

[tribal trail]

[daring jewel]

endthis

[quasi trench]

they working on pointlights again dw

if aajabrams was here then we’d hear “we’re cooking” for sure

[proud pike]

They are working on a lot more than just pointlights

[quasi trench]

well that’s hopefully a given

[proud pike]

Pretty big stuff is happening

[quasi trench]

hmmmm

[proud pike]

As veka said, we’ll probably see in 2 previews or so

[quasi trench]

like with 1.21.120.20 or something?

[proud pike]

Not sure exactly when

[quasi trench]

i wonder what’s cooking in the volcano then

[sonic canopy]

Something hot

[proud pike]

very

[quasi trench]

hmmm if veka knows

could it be something…

shader related

[white willow]

seems like we might be getting resource pack material bin loading

so yea

[quasi trench]

waaaaaaaaaaa

[white willow]

if you try and load the material index json, you can get an error message

i forget the message

[quasi trench]

wait so something like yss se could theoretically like work natively?

[white willow]

maybe? we dont know the extents of it

it coud be very limited

or it could be very open

we dont really know

but currently it looks like this stuff would work for both vanilla and vv (rip raytracing)

[wise hinge]

ChunkOccluder.material.bin 👀
new thing yayy

[white willow]

interesting. likely a new culling method probably designed for VV

[wise hinge]

[quasi trench]

maybe this could inspire rapid vanilla reforged development

[white willow]

better chunk culling would be huge

[white willow]

if we have good control, i will try and add new shader effects for sure

actually i wonder

this might be like the java fabulous shaders stuff

since java has "native" shader support without mods

but its nothing at the level of iris

[quasi trench]

oooo

but i wonder, will the prizma anti-shader bot be fully correct anymore if this all comes to reality

[white willow]

if its open enough? i might just try and port escheridia at that point

forget vanilla reforged lmao

Escheridia reforged baybeeee

[pale urchin]

It would be interesting. Being able to load any material.bin file via resource packs

But if they intend to do this, do they also intend to give us a way to make them?

[white willow]

That would make the most sense

If we'd have to rely on third party methods that would be a lil strange

[quick nymph]

Something big is happening?!?!

[graceful iron]

If VV comes to Java they basically have to give creators a lot of control else most people won’t bother to use it

And even then, VV can’t really visually compare to popular Java shaders at all

[tropic rampart]

the reason it's being added there is because this is now the intended look of the game. VV is meant to be the new "default", similar to how 1.14's texture overhaul was (except VV is being done in a generally much better way, since it's not being forced onto people like the texture update was).

[graceful iron]

VV doesn’t look all that good though is the problem

Default VV Deserts

[pale urchin]

Java creators already have the ability to customize shaders.

[graceful iron]

yeah ik, but having a lot more customizability will at least make sure some people use it

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Snowy Visuals

[thorn bison]

woahhh

how did u get those sunrays? is it fog?

[blazing whale]

Yes it’s fog

[lethal goblet]

"You can blend them with existing water texture animations, or replace them entirely.", how to blend or replace ?

[white willow]

There is no how. It automatically does if

If there's a custom normal for water, it'll be blended with the waves, if there isn't one, the shader will just compute one then generate waves

However the effects of this blending, at least in my experience, it's very unoticeable

[daring jewel]

How

Is it a custom config

[ornate hollow]

yes

newformat

[thorn bison]

smooooooth

[analog totem]

amazing..

[thorn bison]

what's the best way to get sunrays?

[white willow]

More volumetric fog

[thorn bison]

what do you mean by "more"?

[white willow]

"Godrays" are dependent on volumetric fog

Increasing the density gets you more visible rays

[thorn bison]

is there any way to avoid density/make density's effects less noticeable because whenever i use it the fog ends up being super thick and short but without using the high values the sunrays aren't very visible

[pale urchin]

Increasing the henyey greenstein factor could help. It makes the fog lighting more conentrated at the light source

[thorn bison]

thx

[white willow]

It's a fine balance. You gotta just mess with it and no there's not really any good way around it aside from what Slsilicon said

Another thing you can do if you're willing to do it is increase the sun intensity

It'll make the fog standout more

But you need tweak it a lot to not be overdone

I recently switched to higher sun illuminance and it's made a massive difference across the board

[thorn bison]

i'll have a look

tysm

[white willow]

For example, I have rather nice and visible fog and I don't even really use that much

I forget what henyey greenstein g value I use here though

I use 0.3 a lot

[thorn bison]

woahhh

super pretty

[white willow]

I think these might be 0.6 tho

[iron moon]

I want to know how to do this

I've been trying to do something with fogs but i can't find the way

[thorn bison]

does anyone know why the sun is shining through my blocks?

[tribal trail]

Distance fog is too close

[thorn bison]

thx

[fading kindle]

i wish someday there will be a man who actually write this post.....

[leaden stump]

What is ray tracing

[iron moon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-stupid-town-hey-buddy-spongebob-gif-6574682199670721484

[leaden stump]

How patrick even related

[pale urchin]

He's wondering if you blew in from stupid town. (His words; not mine.)

[sonic canopy]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Ray_Tracing_(mob)

[long ruin]

[sonic canopy]

Rat racing at its peak

[earnest sierra]

😭

[quick nymph]

fr

[quasi trench]

Frenchmen in History:

• Bonaparte, Napoleon
• XIV, Louis
• Tracing, Ray

[iron moon]

Ray tracing coming to java

Confirmed

[fading kindle]

ik

[graceful iron]

ObsidianMC-V2 (Fully Generated Materials + Faithful 32x)

[leaden stump]

Does anyone knows how to compile material.bins on android using shaderc?

[primal girder]

https://github.com/devendrn/laz-template-mcbe-shader?tab=readme-ov-file

[cobalt tundra]

Anyone know how to add fogs with scripts in vv?

[leaden stump]

but how to do it on android specifically?

[proud pike]

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

Fixed Vibrant Visuals settings to have proper formatting after being copied to clipboard does this mean rounding will apply to values in editor now :D

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[wise hinge]

hoping for bigger, bigger vv changelog next time🙏

[sonic canopy]

Probably next preview cycle

[thorn bison]

the scripting bros: YEAHHHH
us graphics bros: mb next time 😢

[proud pike]

[thorn bison]

what's a preview cycle?

[white willow]

Time to keep making my own shaders instead of vv stuff still /hj

[thorn bison]

what resources would u reccomend for learning GLSL/HLSL

[white willow]

LearnOpenGL for basic stuff

If you wanna do Minecraft stuff

shaders.properties has a great (but not super beginner friendly) tutorial

[thorn bison]

tysm

[white willow]

https://shaders.properties

[white willow]

There's also Khronos group and also the book of shaders

The book of shaders is a fully intractable website that teaches you openGL stuff

[graceful iron]

The book of shaders

[white willow]

I should go through that again and see how much of it I can do now that I know GLSL

Cuz I was so dumb back then

[thorn bison]

tysm 🙏

my camera sensitivity was reset in preview 😠

[white willow]

I've successfully wrote 2 ray marchers now and will likely rewrite my screenspace raytracer

Cuz it's a bit non standard

[white willow]

However the second one isn't used cuz I have no 3D noise for clouds

I also added volumetrics to unity might try and do SSR if I'm bored enough

[primal girder]

Termux

[quasi trench]

hmmmm

[thorn bison]

torch decided they didn't wanna be lit properly

[quasi trench]

maybe it was already brokey with this pack? not sure

that fps though

[thorn bison]

45

not too bad

[quasi trench]

on a phone

with pointlights

[thorn bison]

OH

that's legit pretty good

[quasi trench]

i need to check if the pack is brokey though

well, even more brokey

[thorn bison]

ok so my pack don't do that

ur pack is deferred right?

[quasi trench]

yes

[languid mirage]

This has been my thought the last what, 4? Previews.

I was all over the constant VV updates.

[ornate hollow]

any difference?

[quasi trench]

not seemingly so

the pbr on the torch mightve already been wonky but

fps is like almost 50% more

than previous on low pointlight shadows setting

tested it on my playstation and this optimization hasn’t seemed to make it there yet?

ill double check though

[ornate hollow]

more fps

point light shadow

yay

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Deferred Cartoon V2.0

[thorn bison]

woah pretty

[blazing whale]

Thank you

[daring jewel]

whats this from

[pale urchin]

How did you get those light rays?

[wispy cave]

hey guys how do you go about compressing your png's, I'm editting some textures and they're going from 1kb to like 15kb. photoshop doesnt seem to give me an option to shrink it any more than that.

[daring jewel]

If i am not wrong that might be part of realism vfx

[graceful iron]

ObsidianMC-V2 w/ Faithful 32x

[leaden stump]

tinypng.com

[sonic canopy]

By gamma calibration I mean this. If you've never seen this before, vote for "default calibration"

[tribal trail]

i wish there was reset button

would make things much easier

[quick nymph]

Agreed

[daring jewel]

I better see some amazing stuff for vv on the coming preview. Like im just see all its flaws and nothing else especially when you look at how good stuff at java are

[quick nymph]

Fr

[wise hinge]

[thorn bison]

tbh I prefer deferred packs to java shaders

[daring jewel]

Im guessing you are talking about how the style of the packs are but im saying interms of the tech and stuff that make it polished.

[thorn bison]

fr

just look at normal maps 😭

[daring jewel]

Exactly, just one of the many issues. Like stuff like ao issues, how weird fog works [ there like a dark spot on the middle sometimes], light leaks and more. Even something small like a bit more bloom on places where light hits will help aswell.

[thorn bison]

yeah it definitely needs polishing

mb next preview 🤞🏻

[daring jewel]

Looking at what plagued made in a couple of months to what mojang has comeup with like 2 years of time just makes me sad. I get it that its a whole rendering engine plus support for many devices and platforms.

[thorn bison]

• they're not really updating it that much either

[daring jewel]

Yup and whenever they add something after like weeks or even months of time there are still issues and at times better alternatives. Even after tones of feedback and suggestions that many here have given who know a lot about rendering they have not yet taken most of them and added it.

[thorn bison]

not updating vv > working on smth else > working on big update > end update

flawless logic

[wise hinge]

-# taau fix when

[thorn bison]

what does taau mean?

[wise hinge]

upscaling

[thorn bison]

Minecraft can do upscaling?

[wise hinge]

it has been there for a long time
There are options for the upscaling mode
In the video setting (taau or bilinear)

Set the upscaling resolution to 75% and you may see that it's extremely blurry....

[thorn bison]

I don't see anything in video settings

is it in preview?

[wise hinge]

in vv settings

that's the thing for vv

[thorn bison]

found it

thx

YIKES

that's very blurry

[wise hinge]

yes

[tribal trail]

what do you mean

they work fine?

[tribal trail]

that's because it's a shitty normalmap itself, blame creator of it

[thorn bison]

u know the thing where if the texture's dark the block gets "wet" on some parts of the texture when u have a normal map

[tribal trail]

okay but that's a bug

other than that normalmaps in vv are very good

[thorn bison]

yea cuz we were talking about unpolished things

[thorn bison]

im the creator 😭

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

i thought you meant normal map being blurry

[tribal trail]

oh

i'm sorry...

i like the pattern of it, it's just too blurry and soft for my liking

[thorn bison]

it's fine

[tribal trail]

:(

[thorn bison]

it's my first time using normal maps so they're not great

oof

[tribal trail]

For the first time it's very good, besides, don't take my words personally, the fact that I don't like it doesn't mean anything, I'm not an expert on what is good and what is bad

[thorn bison]

33% upscaling 🤢

[thorn bison]

thx :)

got any tips for me to improve

[tribal trail]

the lighting is very cool

[thorn bison]

ty

[tribal trail]

I would make it more chaotic

and less repetitive

[thorn bison]

i'll give it a try

thx

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

On the topic of unpolished things

Nighttime

Firstly, the way moonlight interacts with blocks looks very bad. (I'll get screenshots later). You can make shaded areas dark but it doesn't like... look all that great.

I wish we could change the color for shadows at nighttime

And also adjust sky intensity separately

[thorn bison]

volumetric fog + shadows

[white willow]

Cuz the same intensity for day does not work for night

[white willow]

IMO those are the only polished things in VV. VV has very good shadowmaps along with a very good PCF filter. The range is just short

[thorn bison]

what about rayleigh scattering keyframes?

[white willow]

That doesn't affect the ambient sky illumination cast onto the environment

[thorn bison]

ohhh that's what u meant

[white willow]

In lighting files there's something called sky intensity which is just one option

[thorn bison]

yeah that could use some keyframes

[white willow]

And if you tune it for night, day looks bad

I don't want to use low sky illumination during the day

It doesn't look great

But you have to id you want night to look alright at best

Here's a small comparison. Left is a VV pack , right is my JE shader. I want to make night like the right but there is literally no way to do that

[thorn bison]

both look really cool

tbh for me the main priority is non-shiny normal maps

[sonic canopy]

Does moon luminance affect the ambient light? If it does, you can increase it, while decreasing moon color and scattering coefficients to keep moonlight and sky the same intensity

[white willow]

Not from my testing

But it wouldn't hurt to test again

[sonic canopy]

Is there anything else that affects ambient light intensity?

Could do the same trick with some other quantity, if yes

[white willow]

Actually no. Using less moonlight color/more intensity doesn't help

I remember this cuz I had a big issue months ago

I was using very low moonlight colors but high intensity and got no shading at all

But switching to high colors and low intensity and I got shading

[white willow]

this was only an issue after they reworked auto exposure

[thorn bison]

so what's the difference between light brightness and colour brightness?

[white willow]

Before they reworked auto exposure nighttime looked fine

So like from 1.21.60 and below

[white willow]

Color brightness also adjusts how strong the moonlight is cast onto the scene but it also adjusts how intense the colors are. Intensity just multiplies the brightness

[thorn bison]

i see

interesting

[white willow]

How it looks vs what I want to do. This isn't me saying VV night should look exactly like the right image. But I should be able to make it that way if I want. There's no way to and this is about the absolute darkest I can get nighttime without destroying day

Daytime in VV looks great. We just need to be able to fix nighttime

[thorn bison]

u could try darkening ambient lighting

[white willow]

If you look real closely between these two images you'll see the shaded areas are the exact same intensity. That should not be the case

[white willow]

Doesn't do anything

[thorn bison]

is this what you're going for?

[white willow]

Kinda but doesn't day now have absurdly dark shadows

My problem is that you can't change them separately

I've done literally everything. I sat in editor for 2 hours one day

[sonic canopy]

Would've been cool if per-biome sky_color was actually a separate keyframed parameter in VV. Currently it affects sky color in vanilla graphics and ambient skylight color with VV, but it would be more useful to control them separately

[white willow]

Yes that's what I'm saying. There's no reason for them to be the exact same. And the sky intensity option isn't keyframed for some unknown reason

[sonic canopy]

Same for vanilla fog parameters. VV applies both vanilla fog and volumetric fog at the same time, but vanilla fog parameters also affect vanila graphics, ideally VV should have its own set of vanilla fog parameters

[white willow]

I also think VVs border fog needs work because it doesn't blend with the environment

At all

I've talked about it a lot already tho

[sonic canopy]

Isn't it controlled with vanilla fog parameters?

The fog near the edge of render distance I mean

[white willow]

It's more so on shader side that it need work

Adjusting the parameters doesn't really help

[thorn bison]

not too much

[white willow]

VV and my shader again. Maybe it's just me but border fog should fade the objects into it not cover it and make it look ugly (default VV also has this issue)

[white willow]

What

What did you do

[thorn bison]

hehehehe

[white willow]

Cuz I literally found no way to adjust nighttime separately from day

[thorn bison]

i can give u my lighting.json file to work off if u want

[white willow]

I just want to take a look cuz nothing I did ever made a difference

[thorn bison]

ofc

[white willow]

The shaded areas would be identical to daytime no matter what

[thorn bison]

i also control shadow brightness with colour grading too

[white willow]

I don't use shadows color grading

I found it caused too many issues

[thorn bison]

ohhh

is the issues ur talking about this?

[white willow]

Nope

That's just the border fog not being very good

[thorn bison]

ah

do u know anything i can do to fix it?

[white willow]

I'm pretty sure Minecraft had a built in function to track the skylight from the players position

But for some reason mojang don't use that and

Just reduce fog based on the lightmap in worldspace

Which gives those ugly holes

[white willow]

Nope it's a VV thing

[thorn bison]

shame

[white willow]

Actually that might be an Iris thing. Idk there's stuff iris can access that is just in the game, like mood, or player states

[tribal trail]

i prefer how vv looks tbh, your is just a blue color

it's just too bright, you could change it to be a bit darker

[white willow]

I've tried

That's the problem

If I do make it darker

Daytime looks bad

[tribal trail]

my nigh time can go very dark if i want

skill issue /j

[tribal trail]

weird

[white willow]

As mentioned I was in editor for 2 hours one day. Messing with things. And nothing and I mean NOTHING helped it

Only thing that made a difference was sky intensity

[thorn bison]

not even colour grading?

[white willow]

Which ruined my daytime look

[white willow]

Color grading made it worse 💀

[thorn bison]

oof

[white willow]

I agree my night is too blue. But the point I was making is that it's darker like night should be and VV just wouldn't let me do that

I still standby what I said

Even if I find a way to fix it

Because sky intensity should be adjustable per time of day

Same with color

[tribal trail]

i really never had a problem with my nigh being too bright

it's a problem i can't relate

[thorn bison]

same

my nights are too dark lol

[tribal trail]

and i could make it even darker if i want to

it's just i prefer visibility

so it's a problem with your pack

[tribal trail]

make moon brighter

[thorn bison]

yeah I did

it's fixed now dw

[white willow]

Idk why I have an issue with it. It wasn't an issue until the current auto exposure we have now was introduced

Like I'm not joking

I've found no way to fix it

Others also have this issue so there's very clearly something we are doing wrong ig

[tribal trail]

had same issue but after messing with my configs i fixed it

[white willow]

I've messed with configs for hours and only found one option

One option that broke day too

So

Idek atp

while prizma seems to have the issues less. its still here. shaded areas being roughly the same intensity as day. also vv at night (with aces) has a horrible deep frying issue

which idk if this deep frying is a problem with other tonemaps

but

night in vv regardless needs improvements

[thorn bison]

I use hable and it doesn't have deep frying

[thorn bison]

agreed

[white willow]

so aces just being bad again

wonderful

[thorn bison]

lol

[white willow]

idk how VVs aces has this issue

i use the SAME aces implementation in my shader

without issues

[thorn bison]

that's night?

[white willow]

yea

[thorn bison]

wow

looks like it might have to do with your atmospherics

[white willow]

changing atmospherics stuff never resulted in a difference in my tests

it only made the sky itself darker

not the light cast by it

i will asay though

[thorn bison]

that's really weird

[white willow]

the color cast by the sky here is much better

[thorn bison]

that's good

[tribal trail]

you still have to remember i made it bright on purpose as i said before

i could make it dark asf but it's my choice to make it gameplay friendly

[thorn bison]

I wonder what would happen if u lowered ambient light colour brightness

[white willow]

my config

ok wtf now this looks alright

[tribal trail]

i don't see deep frying

[thorn bison]

wait fr

[white willow]

the contrast destroys itself

[thorn bison]

you could try other tone mappers?

[tribal trail]

don't look deep fried to me

[white willow]

maybe the perspective of night being bright is just the sky before was too strong?

cuz here i just dropped rayleigh scattering so the sky was darker

lemme turn it back up and see

[thorn bison]

in my experience sky brightness can affect perceived brightness

[white willow]

it looks the same

so

maybe my config for luminous dreams is bad then

hm

wait

no

its brighter

barely

[thorn bison]

I prefer the right

[white willow]

look at the leaves

theres other things i need to fix but this does look alright

[thorn bison]

definitely

[white willow]

howevera i wanna make a slight orange horizon

then fade it out later

[thorn bison]

the moon mie strength feels a bit intense? not sure if that's the vibe u were going for

[white willow]

it worked fine with the other sky

ig both nights look ok now

it looked terrible yesterday

[thorn bison]

looks great

leagues better

[white willow]

wtf

idek what i did that made it so bright before

[thorn bison]

wow that's really different

[thorn bison]

does day look good too?

[thorn bison]

very nice

[white willow]

i think

hable might be a bit better

but night looks worse

think i just need to bump contrast a bit

and maybe slightly raise sat

[thorn bison]

I'd recommend 1.2 on contrast

I use it

it's nice and crisp

[white willow]

1.3 with a small sat bump

pretty good now

theres a few other things i tweaked but yea

[thorn bison]

looks good

[white willow]

i do however hate how ugly lighting on blocks can be at night in VV

their BRDF is so weird

[thorn bison]

it looks like the blocks are completely flat 🤢

[white willow]

BRDF stands for bidirectional reflectance distribution function. it basically calculates how lighting is applied to surfaces, as well as specular highlights

[white willow]

even with higher res bumpy normals this issue exists

its even worse with mojang's default pbr

[thorn bison]

tbh I don't really like base vv

[white willow]

i think it gets too much hate

but its definitely not great

their pbr however

oh

thats bad

i have a fun pack im making called Sunny Days

and it doesnt use custom pbr since i wanna let others pick pbr to mix with it

[thorn bison]

I like that idea

[white willow]

and the default pbr is just.... bad. things that shouldnt be really shiny are super shiny, things that should be shiny arent

sunny days is going entirely for realism

using as realistic values as VV allows.

as well as using "weather data" to calculate certain bits of lighting

[thorn bison]

sounds really cool

[white willow]

so really foggy biomes have a more bluish tinted lighting. since as sunlight would scatter through a cloud volume, it would be mroe blue

[thorn bison]

I'm wondering about not using PBR in my pack

I feel like it's too buggy for the time being

[white willow]

some biomes with lighter, more hazy fog have more yellow lighting for example. here just some images

not released yet since i dont have much time to work on anything rn

[thorn bison]

that looks really good

[white willow]

neutral biomes like plains have white lighting

[white willow]

thanks! i wanna release it soon but i kinda have to lock in for something else

[quasi trench]

lumenous dreams?

[white willow]

ye

[quasi trench]

bootiful

[thorn bison]

how did you get the normal maps to not have the shiny bug?

[white willow]

The what

I don't know what the shiny bug is

[thorn bison]

it's where the darker block's normal maps have a "shiny" effect on some pixels from certain angles

[white willow]

Oh that occurs

It's always gonna happen

[thorn bison]

😭 😭 😭

[sonic canopy]

@remote tree @blazing whale @long ruin @quick nymph May I see the brightness adjustment (gamma calibration) settings that you are using? Thanks for participating in the poll btw! I will explain later what it was about

So basically where do you have the slider set in this menu

[long ruin]

give me a moment, im out of the house rn

[quick nymph]

I can't get on my PC until Sunday at the earliest sorry.

[long ruin]

[sonic canopy]

No problem!

[blazing whale]

like this for the brightness adjustment that I use

then the result is like this

[sonic canopy]

May I ask, did you configure it such that the left creeper face completely disappeared as per instructions, or is it still visible in your configuration?

[sonic canopy]

Thanks for sharing

[remote tree]

Configured it so the left creeper was the "Barely Visible" one

[sonic canopy]

It's interesting how nobody (at least so far) is following the exact instructions and making the left face completely disappear

[remote tree]

Following the guideline there seems to make the game appear way too dark, could be that the interface was designed and internally used as reference back when it was still affected by block light

Tried retrieving the exact values of the slider through cheat engine?

[long ruin]

Thats basically my config too

The creeper heads are pretty inaccurate when it comes to my monitor

[sonic canopy]

TLDR: this setting is useless, it makes color reproduction worse and is not an effective way to calibrate gamma anyways. Most modern displays already can reproduce target gamma curve (most often 2.2) quite well so no further adjustment is needed, especially at this scale. The default value of 1 is actually the most objectively correct one as it results in the game using 2.2 gamma as it should (as long as VV config also uses 2.2 gamma in its color grading).

[remote tree]

I had it on 0.7875 according to the options.txt file

[sonic canopy]

Personally, I think this calibration should be removed entirely, as it creates a problem of players and creators playing and creating VV content with misconfigured gamma. Especially if a user goes through the calibration as it is described - until the left creeper face disappeared. On my phone with near perfect 2.2 gamma reproduction, following the calibration resulted in turning that crips 2.2 gamma into almost 1 - that's linear space sRGB!

[sonic canopy]

0.7875*2.2 = 1.7, this is the gamma that the game thinks your display has

[remote tree]

If that's exactly how it works this is such an avoidable oversight

this is a value of 1

[sonic canopy]

Notice how badly the UI is designed as well - there's no reset button, no numerical indication, no back button. If you even nudge the slider slightly, there is no going back to the default gamma of 1. The slider value is saved immediately when changed, so you can't even undo it if you close the game entirely

[silent zealot]

Yes I do need my default value back wihtout needing to go to options.txt to type the actual value.

[sonic canopy]

So yeah, if ya'll want the most accurate color reproduction, especially if you are creating VV content, I recommend never touching this option. And if you already did, just go into options.txt and set gamma_calibration to 1. If you like the look that the current gamma settings gives you, you can remember the value from options.txt and just multiply it by your existing gamma in color grading (2.2 is the default I believe, if you're not using gamma in color grading)

If your display gamma is off, that should be adjusted via color management in the OS or via display settings, not with in-game settings

[quick nymph]

I configured it so that it looks normal with my pack and my TV. That is equivalent to about 20% of the full bar. I don't think I can configure it so that the guidelines are met (I may be remebering that from the previous updates though, so I would have to confirm).

[quick nymph]

I very strongly agree, the system needs to be changed

[tribal trail]

we really need a "reset" button to change it back to default

[wise hinge]

-# I need at least 3 lines of vv changelog in the next banana day 💖

[proud pike]

[fading kindle]

just curious, what these two votes for?

[sonic canopy]

^ for which brightness setting you are playing/creating with

[fading kindle]

[quasi trench]

default wins by default

[proud pike]

real

[wise hinge]

[graceful iron]

ObsidianMC-V2 Amethyst (Bare Bones and Faithful 32x)

[dusky forge]

guys dm me with some bedrock graphic link i want to have some shaders and everything

[wise hinge]

Meow

[wise hinge]

yes.

[thorn bison]

couldn't you just set the end flash colour to #000000?

[tribal trail]

yes you could

[wise hinge]

yep

[thorn bison]

unfortunately it was only 1 line

[tropic rampart]

maybe but that wasn't an in-game setting

[thorn bison]

true

[tropic rampart]

would be nice if we had the editor settings for VV available in-game.

so like, it'd generate the resource pack in the game itself and would exist on all platforms

[hearty seal]

how can you disable auto exposure in deferred packs

[sonic canopy]

Check the pins. You can't do that via RP but only by modifying internal game files

[thorn bison]

erm

[wise hinge]

yumyum

[quasi trench]

theres just gamma rays behind that dirt no worries

dw about the radioactive sheep

sleep well tonight (in minecraft) ☢️

[languid mirage]

Or at-least access to the editor via Consoles. Maybe not Mobile.

But having the ability to use the editor and create stuff while on a console - not just PC would be great.

[tropic rampart]

yeah.
still, i think the VV sliders would be nice for mobile players at least, since that part is just sliders. The rest of the editor i can see why that would be console/PC only.

but yeah we at least need editor on console

[void vault]

does .tga do anything with vibrant visuals? I didn't see any mention of it on the learning page for VV. It doesn't look like anything changes.

coal for example just references "coal_ore_mers" which is a blank 16x16 .tga image

ah nvm, it does have some effect, my custom block is closer to the sun. I just have no idea if it's meant to have anything specific in the image.

[sonic canopy]

tga and png have no difference whatsoever in any contexts in bedrock. The only practical difference is for image editing software, as some of it doesn't support tga while other software converts the color of pixels in png with 0 alpha to black (or sometimes white), so it can't preserve the color of fully transparent pixels. But that is purely a software limitation, png standard itself supports color for transparent pixels and there are image editors and settings that can export such pngs without issues

[void vault]

oh, my bad, I probably should have switched it to png

it's just pure black since it's not metallic 🤦‍♂️

well that's odd, I have the full red and the full block pngs for metallic and non-metallic and both just look the same in game

[sonic canopy]

metalness and sss are mutually exclusive

[void vault]

I'll probably just make a post on it later, don't have time right now

[thorn bison]

just another day out here in chernobyl

[ornate hollow]

I wish next preview fix black skies

[wise hinge]

I don't have that issue

[thorn bison]

what causes black skies?

[white willow]

Not really sure

[iron moon]

Why do mojang use tga for their mers?

[white willow]

Easy alpha channel

PNGs can have an alpha channel issue

[thorn bison]

tga files actually store the alpha channel

[white willow]

Pngs do as well but you have to do it right

You can store it successfully with a blended channel and a clipping mask

(In Photoshop)

Haven't had the precision issues people have mentioned

Or substance designer stores it correctly as well

[ornate hollow]

Issue on Android device

Adreno 644

[rugged coral]

Yo! Is there anyone here proficient in Vibrant Visuals?

I've noticed there's a lack of information on it, such as whether or not normal maps are event incorporated and how (are they part of the alpha channel?), etc.

This is, of course, apart from that wonderful blockbench tutorial on creating materials

[daring jewel]

The docs mainly only cover mer files but yes vibrant visuals does support normal map and also heightmaps. Normal maps are a separate file and is not part of the alpha channel and this is how it looks.

You can use software that generate these like substance or free ones like gimp for example

[rugged coral]

Thank you! But what I'm unsure of is whether they actually use it in any in-game blocks! We're working on a vanilla plus project, so I only want to do something with precedent!

[daring jewel]

Like in default vibrant visuals?

They use it ones and that is for water, all other blocks only have a mer file

But normal maps can be applied to all blocks and also entities and particles and even items

[rugged coral]

ahh I see. So in blocks where there's 3d detail, there's no normalmap? In that case I think I'll stick soley with MERS!

(i am assuming there aren't any blocks apart from (water?) that utilize subsurface scattering?

[daring jewel]

A lot of blocks do and I dont think water uses sss [subsurface scatering]. Like leaves, foliage relayed stuff also some full blocks like quarts

[daring jewel]

The 3d detail is the normalmap like this

[white willow]

You could also go with less bumpy stuff and go 16x

[daring jewel]

True, this is a hybrid of a 16x and 128x one

[white willow]

This is pure 16x

[daring jewel]

And this is just mer file

[white willow]

Granted I'm still learning 16x. So it's not perfect

[rugged coral]

apologies for the complication here, I'm phrasing this very poorly! I understand normal maps, but I was just asking if they EVER appear on basic blocks, such as the oak door (which is textured to look like it has an indent). From my testing, it didn't look like ANYTHING used this, but I could be wrong.

big appreciation for your patience

[white willow]

Yea no nothing in vanilla VV uses them

Other than water

I'm surprised they didn't use normals

[rugged coral]

Fantastic! Same thing with SSS?

[daring jewel]

Weird why just water though

[white willow]

Lots of stuff use SSS

anything from grass, to leaves, to crops to ice

[daring jewel]

It's not that visible in default vv though

[white willow]

You'd have to look into their mers files to figure out which ones do

[rugged coral]

oh wow. Is SSS expressed thru alpha?

[daring jewel]

Yup

[white willow]

Yea it uses the mers alpha channel

I'm gonna be releasing a mini YouTube series on VV related stuff over the next few days

[rugged coral]

ohhh wow I did not catch that at all! Do you know an example of a block that uses it?

[rugged coral]

That would be huge! Epic!

[white willow]

Look at their oak leaves file

[rugged coral]

ahh that checks out

[white willow]

Granted the things I show off will be in adobe products cuz it's what I have and use on the daily but I want to offer tips and tricks for PBR along with how to actually use the VV configs etc

Likely 2-3 videos depending on how much free time I actually have

[daring jewel]

Will be looking forward for this for sure

[white willow]

I've made text based guides but they aren't amazing and kinda hard to keeps up with to a degree

And they don't show anything

[daring jewel]

Did you do something like this on twitch one time

[white willow]

Nah I was just streaming while working on stuff

I wanna do like a short informative video

[daring jewel]

Will of use to many who want to get into vv

[white willow]

VV has so many things and it can definitely be overwhelming for creators who've never touched it, especially for MP studios

Since VV content will be there eventually

[daring jewel]

True, unless they have been following it for a while but dont think they did considering the fact that it was never known vv will be a default graphics

[white willow]

Yea I wouldn't blame people for not messing with in the DTP days

Cuz for all we knew it was just an optional toggle like raytracing

[daring jewel]

Will love to see what other MP creators will make ones vv can be put on the marketplace.

Seems like they are pushing this to be a thing after this update so not too long

[thorn bison]

I've noticed that mojang tends to use non-buggy things like mers maps instead of things that are, like custom water (probs more because it doesn't feel very minecraft-y) or normal maps

[humble drift]

[slate geyser]

what should one do to enable VV support in their addon? I have some textures for my blocks but they dont seem to be applied

[thorn bison]

make sure your terrain_texture file path does not include the file extension of the file you want to add PBR to

[broken estuary]

im looking for something or a pack to just make toggling graphics easier and quicker

[white willow]

sunrise/sunset

[broken estuary]

luminous dreams?

[white willow]

WIP version but yea

[wise hinge]

hable

i love it

[thorn bison]

looks stunning

[broken estuary]

anyone got good deferred packs?

ngl some of these packs with recommended brightness really kill the looks, luminous looks beautiful on low brightness

[brave star]

is this out? it looks great.

[white willow]

It's in development luminous dreams stuff

[brave star]

im not sure if this is something you can control but the waves look repetitive

[white willow]

For what I wanted with the waves it's really hard to avoid that

To be honest it's just an issue with sine wave algorithms

It's really hard to make them not repetitive

[brave star]

I mean once im ingame and the waves are animated, It wont be noticeable to me

[white willow]

Yea it's fine in game

[brave star]

will there be options to turn off pbr?

[white willow]

Currently there is. (It doesn't disable waves) idk if that would have to change for the marketplace version whenever that's out

[brave star]

well thats good it doesnt disable the waves

[brave star]

oh

its planned for marketplace only?

[white willow]

Some people want the no pbr version to disable waves

[brave star]

there should be 3 options

more customization, the better

[white willow]

It will be free third party and paid marketplace just like we did with better on bedrock

[brave star]

didnt know that was allowed

[white willow]

World edit does it too

[brave star]

wedit is on marketplace?