Graphics General

[vague shoal]

My bad, the sun isn’t visible

But everything else looks fine

Lens flare looks awesome

[dusky lagoon]

For one crazy shot

[dusky lagoon]

Why I unable to create ultra 3d texture in deferred technical preview

[quick nymph]

What do you mean "ultra 3d texture"?

[bitter cargo]

is it just me or is the sky not as dark anymore with VV?

[quick nymph]

It is not just you the sky has been brightened

[viscid moth]

reminds me of

[real berry]

Looking great!

[tribal trail]

Thank you ☺️

[proud pike]

Nice!

[quasi trench]

i love loomen

[viscid moth]

redstone torch update when
I can't look at our outdated brethren torch with red particles beside

[quick beacon]

Nice PBR!!

They look really good

[graceful iron]

Looks great!

[tribal trail]

Thank you ☺️

[tribal trail]

no nitro moment

[graceful iron]

Use a discord client or something

[tribal trail]

🥹

[tribal trail]

What?

[graceful iron]

Modded discord clients

Like Vencord and stuffs

[tribal trail]

That's a thing? 0.o

[graceful iron]

Yeah

A lot of them have “fakeNitro” where they basically just give you “access” to every by making a copy of them as a gif and embedding the gif instead of the emoji

it’s pretty cool tbh

[tribal trail]

That sounds cool

But I'll stick to normal discord

[graceful iron]

Real

[bitter cargo]

if youre feeling silly you could also manually copy the url and paste that

also discord lets you favourite/bookmark gifs for free

[pale urchin]

It's too bad point lights on full blocks have very obvious light leaking with fog

[tribal trail]

true :c

[graceful iron]

Pixel locked reflections on normals look so good

I haven’t really tested my reflections yet

gotta go try soon ig

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Vibrant Visuals

[sharp lance]

whats the difference between the deferred rendering and this vibrant visuals?

[wintry sigil]

no difference really

the only thing is that vibrant visuals is also the name of majang's deffered pack

[tribal trail]

don't think it has name

their pbr and deferred configs are just a part of vanilla texturepack built in game

lovely

[daring jewel]

I have never seen this happen once with me when ever I use your pack.

[tribal trail]

bugs like this happen even without my pack

it's just whole game is very broken

[daring jewel]

💀

[wintry sigil]

hell yeah

[wise hinge]

deferred is super bright in this preview
i hope it's not just me...

[tribal trail]

it's finally not so dark for me

it was painfully dark

and now it's perfect

[blazing whale]

improve sky and color grading

[leaden stump]

Does anyone can explain why in vv shader they use tga file format for every file instead of png?

[silent zealot]

Transparent/translucent pixels.

[vague shoal]

WOW

[leaden stump]

Look I just made block shine

[leaden stump]

People what do you think of the bloom? Is this enough?

[quick nymph]

I think that may be a little too much

[civic radish]

I actually like it, he seems to do better job than most shaders in relavent versions

[leaden stump]

What about now?

Can someone tell me which on better? Default sun or custom rotated, cubic like in vv? On first is custom, second is default

[proud pike]

Too high, the game looks like a blurry mess atm

[wintry sigil]

foggy mirror

[graceful iron]

Vibrancy is coming along well!

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Vibrant coming soon!!

[civic radish]

Disagree, game looks like deffered at 1.20.30, no oversaturion, just pure creativity

[proud pike]

I hate to say it but you're objectively wrong in your take, any person would look at that image and immediately find it to look incredibly blurry for the sake of more bloom. You may like it and I have no issue with that as looks are subjective. But that is taking it a bit too far, and deferred in 1.20.30 didn't look anything like that.

This was bloom in 1.20.30.20

[civic radish]

Ok

[leaden stump]

Okay, thanks for feedback

[leaden stump]

Is there's anything else wrong there?

[proud pike]

Nothing much besides that.

[sonic canopy]

Implemented glass rendering and started working on specular

Accidentally dropped my ice cubes :(

[white willow]

Dope

[proud pike]

Looks so good 💯

[civic radish]

Does anyone has copy of poggy's luminous dreams 0.4.1 Or where can I find it?

[quick beacon]

Dang why so far back 😭

[civic radish]

I liked the sky, now it plain light blue

And the old versions were perfect to play at, now it's unplayable

[civic radish]

And wait, are you the real poggy who made the shader?

[long ruin]

yes that is

[civic radish]

Cool

[leaden stump]

Does anyone knows how to make good atmospherics? I'm very new to the shaders, what do you think of my creation?

[graceful iron]

Holy shit that’s so pretty

Do you plan on ever releasing the shader?

[sonic canopy]

I want to open source it eventually, but before that I'll likely publicly release shader binaries occasionally. But currently it's a little too basic to release imo, more features are needed before I can feel comfortable doing that.

[graceful iron]

Open sourcing would be sick

I’d love to mess around with the project when it goes public, maybe even contribute if I find anything I can add

[civic radish]

I think it's good for you but the sky must be brighter on zenith then on horizon, keep that in mind I think if you'd apply horizon color on zenith it'd be better

In addition on second sprite sun looks to big, either you forgot to apply black color on transparent zones, or image too small, try to also reduce the illuminance and mie to achiehe better results

On 3rd it's good but increase the start value to evaluate the horizon color and create wave effect on sky, overall you done great job 7/10

[quick nymph]

Too much bloom, that sun looks like a block of bright leds in the middle of the night. I like the moon mie though.

[civic radish]

Agree, the sun looks bit off and too big

[wise hinge]

[graceful iron]

Pretty

[civic radish]

Is it your rtx template?

[sonic canopy]

No, it's a different path traced rtx shader, however it is based on that template

[civic radish]

I see, but what RTXStub means ? Is it general rtx file or stubbing toe?

[sonic canopy]

It's the name of the main rtx material in bedrock

[civic radish]

ok

[quasi trench]

shader?

[earnest sierra]

That looks really sick

(Same pack as above but 50% brightness)

[leaden stump]

Thank you, Eric

[vague shoal]

luminous visuals

[earnest sierra]

It's not Luminous Dreams 😭

[vague shoal]

buh

[faint frigate]

Vibrant Poggy?
Vibrant Poggy Dreams?

[earnest sierra]

I created the pack like two years ago

[leaden stump]

Can someone give me feedback about sunrise?

[quasi trench]

local exposure is back outside of configs

[wise hinge]

[faint snow]

I think it looks great

Maybe make that gray at the top a little more blue though

[quasi trench]

hehe

ignore the purply stuff in the back

also not sure if it existed before already but theres a cloud setting

[tribal trail]

wait, you have your pack?!

show us pbr now

why is everything so blurry for me

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

it's 75% taau

😭

only native works but it's laggy

[wise hinge]

bruh blur

[white willow]

Is native blurry too? Or is it still aliased

[tribal trail]

aliased

[white willow]

Ok

So they didn't add some extra AA

[tribal trail]

it looks so bad

💀

[civic radish]

Why?

[tribal trail]

and i already have blurred vision

[tribal trail]

everything is blurry asf

[white willow]

Did someone accidentally tweak the upscaling values lmao

[civic radish]

Then change tonemap to rein luminance

[white willow]

You look almost far sighted

[civic radish]

Everything will be saturate and less bloom, also reduce brightness

[white willow]

That doesn't help lol

[tribal trail]

why would tonemap change anti aliasing?

[white willow]

This isn't a bloom issue

[civic radish]

It helped me

[tribal trail]

make it make sense

[white willow]

The internal res looks really low and over anti aliased

[tribal trail]

it's not abaout bloom, it's BLURRY

bLuRrY

not sharp

[civic radish]

Try removing Aa or reducing the mip levels I seen pack on modbay that does that

[white willow]

Bloom does blur the scene but not like that.. especially at the strength it's at in the settings

[tribal trail]

mip map is already off

and why would mipmap change anti aliasing

[civic radish]

If AA is on the mip map will be blurred while without aa it will be sharp with artifacts

[tribal trail]

i literally see world like that when i don't wear glasses 😭

[white willow]

75% upscaling at 1080p should not be that blurry

And it wasn't in previous versions either

[tribal trail]

what are you smoking, mip map effect textures, not edges and all that

[tribal trail]

I KNOW

IT'S BAD

[bitter cargo]

where did the fps cap slider go

[earnest sierra]

I deleted them a week ago to start over with them 😭

Though they weren't that great

[civic radish]

Who knows? Maybe try amd image sharpener or try to increase resolution or set resolutio on native

[tribal trail]

it wasn't that blurry before

it's game bug

or something

[civic radish]

Weird. Everything seems fine when I play

[white willow]

Ik this is mobile but this is BLURRED and I'm using default VV

It's def not a pack issue

[tribal trail]

at least local exposure is even better than before

[white willow]

Well yk we got a new update

It WAS NOT this blurry before the update today

[wise hinge]

wouldn't last preview's upscaling.material.bin help?

[civic radish]

Mine is always looks same

[white willow]

Perhaps

[wise hinge]

-# i have a copy

[civic radish]

Looks even better than you did before, 9/10

Just increase the sky brightness a little and it would look like rtx

[civic radish]

By the way why did they added the local exposure if it's not so good and existed in 1.20.30?

[white willow]

What? Local exposure is an amazing feature. It was never in the game in 1.20.30 either

They just had a rather bad and basic auto exposure method

[civic radish]

I had it on at 1.20.30 but the feature is cool but it's too dark on bright zones

[white willow]

Yeah uh, Local exposure was first added to the game in 1.21.70. Removed an update after because of a bug

[civic radish]

I see

[white willow]

Local exposure is one of the best exposure methods you can use

[civic radish]

I'll try it

[white willow]

It's enabled by default. There's nothing to "try"

[civic radish]

What do you think best tonemapping? I like hable but it's too light

[white willow]

My favorite tonemapper isn't available in deferred

But I use ACES

[civic radish]

You talking about generic?

[white willow]

No

AgX. It's used by blender and it's really good

[civic radish]

I see, looks pretty good on images

[white willow]

I added it into RTX and it's amazing overall

[civic radish]

I agree, what map is this by the way I really like the train bridge

[sonic canopy]

based on comparisons agx looks quite nice, I should try it out

[white willow]

I can give you my implementation if you want

At least if you wanted to mess around with it

[white willow]

I gotta find it

[white willow]

https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/tranton-north-american-metropolis-project/

This is a way more updated version

But you will need to convert the world to a bedrock edition world

[quasi trench]

the upscaling looks worse this preview

[ornate hollow]

wow

[quasi trench]

not sure what happened

[wintry sigil]

so I've seen

[civic radish]

Thank yoy

[ornate hollow]

ultra

low

cloud setting

[sonic canopy]

agx default vs aces vs agx punchy vs agx golden

Idk, I think aces feels a little more vivid here

Maybe agx is nice in some scenes, but bright colorful lights is probably not one of them

[white willow]

agx has some heavy natural desaturation. youd wanna adjust the satruation component a decent amount. AgX to me feels more natural in colors overall which is why i like it a lot.

id recommend punchy with the power, and saturation tweaked

i set the power to 1.0 and saturation component to 2.8 and the vividness has returned a bit

power helps with the heavy contrast

[sonic canopy]

Too much effort 🙃

[hexed rover]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sonic canopy]

that feels a bit excessive XD

[white willow]

oh wow

mine doesnt do that

hold on a sec

perhaps there was an error in my code when i initially converted it from glsl to hlsl

although your path tracer may also handle lighting a bit differently

[sonic canopy]

Or maybe in mine, but it looks right at first glance

[sonic canopy]

RP is prizma rtx if u want to try out this scene

I think I'll stick to aces for now, but keep agx around. I wanted to mess with colorometry at some point, but not now.

[white willow]

actually now that i think about it, this is the behavior of the saturation in my GLSL version

there might be something wrong with mine lmao

[sonic canopy]

I just copied glsl code, added transpose() to matrices and replaced inverse() with a pre-calculated inverse matrix

[white willow]

yea i didnt do that

[white willow]

mine might be slightly different then but this is what i have

its also possible i found a dated implementation

[sonic canopy]

with your suggested tweaks

It's a different implementation from what I had btw

[white willow]

interesting

so ig neither of ours are wrong lol

just different

lemme do a test with prizma rq. my pack has kinda weak emissives

[sonic canopy]

default, golden, punchy

This one looks much nicer

[white willow]

is this with my agx?

this looks very similar to mine now

[sonic canopy]

No, default values

[white willow]

i see

yea thats alot better

my agx implementation, with prizma and the settings i used above.

mine just seems way more desaturated

but it could also just be your path tracer being alot better

its hard to tell

[sonic canopy]

Do you gamma correct after tonemapping?

I think this tonemap already returns srgb colors, so no gamma correction is needed

[white willow]

i dont believe i gamma correct

lemme look at the color output

[sonic canopy]

wait that's linear srgb mb

[white willow]

color = agx(color); i just have this

  color = mul(color, LINEAR_SRGB_TO_LINEAR_REC2020); // From three.js
  // Gamut mapping. Simple clamp for now.
    color = clamp(color, 0.0, 1.0);``` and it does this at the end of the function

your gamut mapping might be better

even with 2.8 saturation my colors are still quite dull

[sonic canopy]

Could you show how you're using the tonemap? So agx() call and some code surroinding it

might be better to move this to another discord server tho

[white willow]

likely

which one?

[sonic canopy]

Here is the same comparison from the same repo that you've used, but this time with linear -> srgb conversion. My previous agx implementation returned color already in srgb so this step wasn't necessary
agx default vs aces vs agx punchy vs agx golden

With your suggested tweaks and gamma correction

[white willow]

so it should be converted from linear to srgb

[sonic canopy]

This looks correct btw

[sonic canopy]

This agx version seems much nicer too

[white willow]

yea this one seems pretty close to a cycles render

at least from my testing with it

[sonic canopy]

I understand now why you are so happy about this tonemap, it is quite good lol

Doesn't have the hue shifting unlike aces, which can be seen on that blue light that turns red

Green is better on aces tho imo

[white willow]

ive kinda looked at the punchy variation as ACES without the problems

it doesnt have as many over exposure issues either

its a bit easier to tweak to avoid that

[sonic canopy]

The mexico filter is not that great in dark scenes XD

I think in this particular instance I'd prefer aces, as it seems to have more film-like colors, that are slightly muted and desaturated at highlights. Agx would be good for imitating the look of digital cameras tho

[graceful iron]

I love Agx

[long ruin]

especially in blender

[graceful iron]

Real

[sonic canopy]

Here's another highly praised tonemap, called OpenDRT

[graceful iron]

Looks decent

[sonic canopy]

aces, agx punchy, opendrt

[white willow]

It's crazy how similar all of these are. The differences are subtle for sure

I think I like AgX punchy a bit more. But the other 2 are really good still

[sonic canopy]

Differences might be more pronounced during the day, but I haven't gotten to sky rendering yet, which is why all my screenshots are during "night time" aka with pitch black skybox XD

[white willow]

fair enough haha

i noticed a big difference between aces and agx with daytime colors

running just an RT resource pack with vibrant visuals doesnt deep fry the game anymore

it just uses the default configs

also default VV settings are def a lot better now with local exposure

although theres still alot of things with the default settings that i think should be changed in order to make it look a lot better

metallic blocks i think should be reflective. also grass shouldnt have metalness at all

left has metalness, right does not

yk what

imma go make a minecraft feedback post

brb

[white willow]

https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1359299740701032619 please upvote/give thoughts to add onto what i said

candle pbr support is a little bugged in rtx

upon lighting the candle it switches to the mer texture as the base for some reason

wait

i know why

i did an oopsie

[ruby sluice]

figured as much

idk why fixing it for deferred would cause the mer to show up in rtx

i mean anything is possible tho

[white willow]

somehow i accidentally saved the mer as the base

[ruby sluice]

lmao

[white willow]

i mean

they dont illuminate much

but its better than nothint

[ruby sluice]

if only madlad's invisible emissive thing worked here

the thing where you make part of the texture near invisible but fully emissive

[white willow]

it probably does

its also really hard to gauge just how much this illuminantes cuz ambeint lighting

[quasi trench]

no way veka’s path tracing shader is the server banner

[remote tree]

Issue with alpha-blending blocks

[daring jewel]

ummm, the editor is broken by the looks of it

[civic radish]

Okay?

[civic radish]

Okay?

[wise hinge]

[civic radish]

???

[graceful iron]

[sonic canopy]

Did you mean alphablend?

[silent zealot]

This should btw be a #1067869590400544869 question.

Refresh my memory, does PBR work if I use atlas compositing?

[drowsy lantern]

Where is the point light?

Are they remove it?

[quick nymph]

Are you using rd features experiment?

[wise hinge]

same

[daring jewel]

Bro what is it with this Alex guy

[civic radish]

Tf you talking about?

[wise hinge]

huh

[daring jewel]

The thumbs down and the “okay??” Stuff (sorry if i was being rood but I was confused as to why you were doing that)

[wise hinge]

[civic radish]

That text confuses me too

[daring jewel]

Which one

[civic radish]

The one before you cat animation .gif file format

[daring jewel]

I was asking why you were responding to my previous message if the editor issue with a “Okay??” message and then reacting to vibrant cats messages when he said “same” about the editor issue.

[civic radish]

I'd recommend to send this ti mojira as I'm nor other people able to fix it

[daring jewel]

I know that but the The devs to check these channels and this might be made aware of this from here and I don’t see the problem in sending this in the channel so yeah that why I did.

[civic radish]

Sure, I don't seem to encounter the problem but what I've seen the colors being flipped try setting everything to lowest might fix it

[daring jewel]

I haven’t looked into it but I might try it.

[daring jewel]

the issue only occurs when in the editor windows, when in crosshair mode or when pausing the to the game menue the game goes back to normal

but the crash that happens when you move around in editor seems to be fixed

[drowsy lantern]

Yes
I test with and without custom resource pack
They are same

In this settings
I can't see point light quality setting too

I use 1.21.80.27 beta arm 64 version

[graceful iron]

You need to enable both the Vibrant Visuals toggle and the RenderDragon Features for Creators toggle

For some reason they left the old toggle there and point lights are still stuck in the old toggle

[earnest sierra]

#1357384182514454579 message

Point lights are still a bit wonky so that's probably why

[stark harness]

What dose the new cloud setting do to the clouds I can't tell a difference

[wintry sigil]

it sets what the render distance for your clouds are

the higher it is the further out from your render distance it'll be it's a really good change

[quick nymph]

Poggy where is that table that you made that has all the keyframes to in game times?

[wise hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1316164415912935574

[quick nymph]

Thanks

[wise hinge]

what causes this? moss and mud blocks don't render correctly sometimes...

[civic radish]

No motivation to work! Motivate them to fix themselves

[wise hinge]

lol

I simply see this as a lack of my skill

[daring jewel]

It’s just a game bug, exiting the world and joining back will fix it. I don’t think there is a specific reason why this is happening.

[wise hinge]

yeah every time I see this bug I rejoin the world

but good to know that it's a bug

[earnest sierra]

That's really interesting

[wise hinge]

and they have reflection lol

[civic radish]

Is it podsible to make blending/addtive textures have bloom or reflections

[tribal trail]

ayo what a pretty screenshot

can you give me seed

[wintry sigil]

7654091150617775821

it's an incredibly pretty area at nightt

[silent zealot]

Banner Showcase Submission Update

Starting from now, we will only accept submissions for graphics if they were made in a post in either #1182087588555792395 or #1046947779118895114 . This makes it easier for me to give a title and easier for others to differentiate different configs/iterations.

I will re-iterate this in the next banner vote.

[faint frigate]

Pin 📌

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows how to make a dents in blocks using normal maps?

[civic radish]

How to convert normal world in mc preview editor world?

[tribal trail]

just make it an .mcworld and open it while you use editor

[civic radish]

Thank you, I'll try it

[mellow violet]

The built-in screenshot feature seems to be broken. Above is my own screenshot, and below is Minecraft's screenshot.

[dusty whale]

The material of this 3D model is way too demanding on mobile hardware💀💀💀

[civic radish]

How using ui? It looks good without shadows

[dusky lagoon]

@dusty whale Please tell me how you do that

[proud pike]

That's not regular Minecraft, they are on MC China

[leaden stump]

People, what do you think of my shader? https://discordapp.com/channels/523663022053392405/1361054759762661581

[dusky lagoon]

Possible to do that on global mcpe

[dusky lagoon]

@silent zealot please listen

[quick nymph]

No it is not and don't ping the admin of this server for some random question

[dusky lagoon]

By useing graphic file of china in global mcpe

[proud pike]

No

[wise hinge]

[bitter cargo]

if only it was that simple 😔

[graceful iron]

sadly that’s not how that works

Would be neat tho

[long ruin]

sigh..

[white willow]

what is this. mc china?

[long ruin]

Not 100% sure

I thought it was the console version

From the SDGP

[white willow]

thats modern bedrock ui

ohhhhhhhh

maybe

i see a mouse cursor

and its in english

cant be mc china

[tribal trail]

💀

SDGP settings

[tribal trail]

it is

remember that settings UI to well 🥹

[white willow]

i wasnt really in the mc community when this was a thing so

i didnt really get back into this stuff until like 2 years ago

[tribal trail]

same

[white willow]

or whenever i joined the mcrtx server

[tribal trail]

but i like looking at unreleased stuff

like i used to have folder with videos and images from the sims 4 unreleased versions

[civic radish]

Looks similar to super fancy settings mode

[dusky lagoon]

Gl in defferd rendering pipeline

Possible

[leaden stump]

Guys what do you think of my remastered shader?

[harsh iris]

Why does it seem like there is smoke everywhere?

[brave star]

bright

[quick nymph]

Way too much fog

[quasi trench]

the shrooms are splooshing spores sporadically

[vague shoal]

So many features gone ☹️

[dusky lagoon]

1. Global Illumination (GI)
   • What: Indirect light bouncing (e.g., sunlight bleeding into caves, colored light from stained glass).
   • Evidence:
     • Deferred rendering is a prerequisite for performant GI.
     • The blocky_shadows system is a trial run for voxel-based lighting math.
     • Mojang’s RenderDragon engine (used here) already supports GI in Minecraft Legends and *Dungeons

3. Volumetric Lighting
   • What: Light shafts, fog, and atmospheric scattering (e.g., sunbeams through trees).
   • Evidence:
     • Cloud lighting changes imply Mojang is prototyping volumetric effects.
     • The "light leaks" bug in Vibrant Visuals suggests volumetric systems are active but unoptimized.

4. Dynamic Post-Processing
   • What: Depth-of-field, motion blur, and anti-aliasing sliders.
   • Evidence:
     • The Vibrant Visuals toggle includes presets ("Favor Visuals" vs. "Favor Performance")—a clear sign of post-processing controls in development.

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Near-Certain Future Features

(Not yet in the build but inevitable based on deferred rendering’s purpose)

1. Refraction
   • What: Distorted light through glass/water (e.g., magnifying effects).
   • Why 100%:
     • Refraction is trivial to add in deferred pipelines (uses depth buffers already calculated).
     • Mojang’s blocky_shadows and pixelated reflections are testbeds for stylized light physics

3. Dynamic Weather Effects
   • What: Rain puddles with reflections, snow accumulation, and biome-specific fog.
   • Why 100%:
     • The cloud/lighting upgrades are foundational for weather systems.
     • Mojang hired engine developers with experience in dynamic weather (per LinkedIn job postings).

2. Physically Based Rendering (PBR)
   • What: Metallic/roughness workflows for realistic materials.
   • Why 100%:
     • The metallic surfaces bug in Vibrant Visuals confirms PBR is already in the codebase.
     • Deferred rendering is designed for PBR pipelines.

I think they can all these

[quick nymph]

Bro just got ai to write some random things that mojang may never add to the game

[pale urchin]

We already have this one 🤨

[pale urchin]

And this too!

[wise hinge]

refraction
whitish water fall fix
bloom intensity control via resource pack
better anti-aliasing
fsr3

[ornate hollow]

Why 100%?

bc it's already in the game

• confirmed by graphic team

[daring jewel]

Coloured shadows were also something we had but was removed (if you don’t know water at one point has coloured shadows)

[ornate hollow]

Water shadow is buggy

[daring jewel]

I know and that’s why it was removed

[ornate hollow]

I

[dusky lagoon]

What about gl

[wise hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/free-robux-just-for-you-gif-26248298

[long ruin]

[wise hinge]

[dusky lagoon]

What is that

[wise hinge]

bug

since the long time ago

[dusky lagoon]

Yes

[wise hinge]

And see the image, the textures are so .....😭 better anti-aliasing when

[dusky lagoon]

I want this type texture in global

[daring jewel]

GI is way to heavy when we consider the fact that they want this to run on mostly all platforms

[dusky lagoon]

They add toggle

[daring jewel]

yes, but there are better alternatives than GI, i am no expert in it but yea

[dusky lagoon]

Mojang graphic team know more about that

What about god ray

Lens flare

[daring jewel]

already in the game

[long ruin]

[daring jewel]

have you even played with deferred because the features you are naming that should be in it, well most of them are

[dusky lagoon]

From leaves and clouds

[dusky lagoon]

I played

[long ruin]

Yes.

[daring jewel]

yea, godrays can happens from anything

[long ruin]

Some packs are have more noticeable fog than others

It varies

[dusky lagoon]

They add defferd technical in stable with vv in this summer or not

[proud pike]

Probably not

[dusky lagoon]

Only vv

[proud pike]

Deferred and VV are basically the same thing

VV is the final name for Deferred and the default pack that they've added for all platforms

[dusky lagoon]

But why there are two experimental toggle one vv and render dragon features for creators

[proud pike]

Because they have seperate feature sets currently

They will likely be merged later on in the preview cycle

[daring jewel]

VV is their version while the other is for creators which will have no inbuld pack from mojang

[dusky lagoon]

Today preview guess about vv

Bug fix only or any new thing

[long ruin]

We'll have to wait and see

[daring jewel]

we dont expect to see anything huge, they might do some tweaking and bug fixed but that should mainly be it, but you never know

[tribal trail]

just tun on taau for anti-aliasing

[wise hinge]

still there

[tribal trail]

thats not true, they will merge this toggles soon

vv is a name for deferred graphics mode

their configs are just included in the vanilla pack

[ornate hollow]

VV is half of deferred for release version

[white willow]

VV contains everything except point lights

The only thing the render dragon toggle enables is point lights

[viscid moth]

new preview

[faint frigate]

And in-build pack

[wise hinge]

Flash

[proud pike]

New preview

For the full example json - https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/35868117841933-Minecraft-Beta-Preview-1-21-80-28

[bitter cargo]

was it really this detailed or just a mock up for marketing?

[daring jewel]

lets gooo

[sonic canopy]

I think it should be still somewhere in the json UI files

[daring jewel]

not the best representation but yea

here is a better one

[white willow]

Ok thats pretty sick

I'll mess with it later

[quasi trench]

FLASH

https://tenor.com/view/ztaline-r32-zn-k88-rekt-ez-valorant-gif-16952136

[ornate hollow]

W

[vague shoal]

What pack is this

[ornate hollow]

WWWW

Verg1rls pack

her pack

[wise hinge]

end

[graceful iron]

Are those normals part of the pack too?

Looks pretty good

[ornate hollow]

yes

[wise hinge]

are those normalmaps made by her?

[ornate hollow]

no

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

new vanilla caustics, they have some wibble, a little bit of softness on the pixel edges, a bit more brightness and are largert

[leaden stump]

There's no fog, just 8 chunks of render distance

[long ruin]

Tbh, the end flashes are a pretty good idea instead of having a light source in the sky

[sonic canopy]

Huh, so it's no longer pixel locked? And no longer seamless ig

[pale urchin]

Back to the drawing board

[white willow]

my change it texture broke the seamless part of it. either that or making it bigger did

i added in some faked refraction to them

which mightve screwed it up

[sonic canopy]

Ah, I thought it was just in vanilla

[white willow]

oh no lol.

should still be identical in vanilla

high res

i might reduce some of the jitter

but i added some slight pixelations, a blur to soften the edges and a wavy filter

[tribal trail]

that water fog looks very good

[white willow]

ty!

i just redid it

pixelated them more and reduced the jitter (fake refraction)

no jitter is the best lowkey. the pixelation effect looks really good too

[brave star]

caustics are looking great

[rocky halo]

Still too white

[brave star]

yeah I feel like maybe the water fog color should affect the caustic color

[white willow]

well i cant change that

[brave star]

wouldnt worry about it

[white willow]

What would look really cool is if the caustics had a little chromatic aberration to them

Like this

Probably fairly hard to do tho

[brave star]

at low resolutions that would look terrible

but I agree, with higher resolution caustics, it would be neat

[white willow]

if they ever did a caustics system thats based off the water waves, id love to see this implemented

doesnt really work with the current implementation tho

[quick nymph]

Well then there is way too much bloom because minecraft shouldn't look that misty

[white willow]

uh

also custom end flash

[white willow]

im not really sure what would cause this weird flickery thing going on

it seems to be a bug with fog

i turned off fog and it didnt happen

nevermind

hey @still zenith weird issue in the end. i cant seem to identify what is causing it

its also very random when it occurs

also the color of the end flash is always blue and the illuminacne doesnt seem to work

unless i have it added wrong

i have it added wrong

radiation poisoning anyone?

uhhhhhhh after leaving the end

apprently not

what the heck

@still zenith sorry again. setting lighting file format version to 1.21.80 is causing this to occur in the overworld. I tested with and without the flash parameter. no difference. no sun illuminance, high sun illuminance no change

platform PC. unsure of others at this time

is anyone else seeing this happen too

im gonna try a different pack as well

i repro'd on a different pack

same thing

[white willow]

i was able to repro the issue across 3 different packs and had someone else test and come to the same result

[daring jewel]

Had the issue but I was using the 1.21.70 format version and changing it to 1.21.80 fixed.

[white willow]

weird

[daring jewel]

Did you make sure the new orbital and flash sections are properly incorporated

[white willow]

having it on 1.21.70 its fine

setting it to 1.21.80 its broken

[daring jewel]

Hmmm, that’s interesting

[white willow]

yea my format is fine

i copy pasted their format over

and had the issue too

[daring jewel]

Dam, so it’s should be a game issue then. I don’t seem to have it.

[white willow]

gizmo had it happen too

and i tried it across various packs

[daring jewel]

I would have sent you mine to test aswell but I can’t unfortunately.

[white willow]

ok now all of a sudden it wants to work

[daring jewel]

Bruh.

[white willow]

i repasted the example format and its fine?

[daring jewel]

I am guessing the game didn’t update the new changes or something

[white willow]

its weird because the format in their thing is no different from mine

aside from including flash

hmmmmmmmmm i see why its wrong

i didnt see they added a new identifer

orbital

[daring jewel]

Bruh, I just said that

So gizmo might also did add it

[white willow]

welp rip players who dont update their games lol

[daring jewel]

Yea

[dusty whale]

It seems that currently only the China version of Minecraft has this texture pack. It is made using 3D custom models, and the full version of the pack has not been released yet.🤔🤔

The name of this texture pack is "T3D". The creator might consider releasing it for the global version, but mentioned that the production of the pack is very time-consuming because it requires remodelling everything from scratch.💀💀

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows what chaotic property doing in lighting/global?

[quick beacon]

^

[civic radish]

Is it still possibel to use reinhard_jodie as tonemap in 2025?

[white willow]

Reinhard Jodie got removed. Reinhard_luma is probably the closest to it

[graceful iron]

Who’s normal maps are they then

[daring jewel]

its @still agate 's

[civic radish]

I see, what the difference between reinhard luma and reinhard then, I still can't understand

[graceful iron]

But they aren’t made by her?

[wise hinge]

someone's

[white willow]

Luma as far as I'm aware has better color compression

[daring jewel]

dk, its her pack but it was a heightmap pack before.

[graceful iron]

Here we go again

[wise hinge]

[ornate hollow]

CUBEIR

[civic radish]

thank yoy

[graceful iron]

It’s always Vanilla RTX

At least VanillaRTX normals look decent

[tribal trail]

i mean, cubeir has some pretty awesome normalmaps as far as i saw when i was checking bug with normalmaps 😊

[graceful iron]

Yeah

Heightmaps on the other hand

[white willow]

Fixed my AgX implementation in RTX. I made a mistake and accidentally removed something important. (It's a lil cooked rn but I'm testing stuff)

[leaden stump]

No difference, no difference at all 😡

[daring jewel]

is it now fixed in the creator then??

[white willow]

no

i dont have control over that

[daring jewel]

😭

[glacial remnant]

any tools to easy pbr dev

[civic radish]

preview developer version

[glacial remnant]

and how?

[civic radish]

Watch on yt

[glacial remnant]

where

[civic radish]

On youtube.com or youtube app

[glacial remnant]

i mean link

[civic radish]

https://youtu.be/gIX0NzFz0KE?si=AnypqwsjKl2RBt_V

[glacial remnant]

editor mode?

[ornate hollow]

you mean PBR texture?

[glacial remnant]

ye

[ornate hollow]

blockbench

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/useblockbenchtocreatemodelswithtextures?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[glacial remnant]

also how to make lock reflect in rain

[ornate hollow]

lock?

[glacial remnant]

block

[ornate hollow]

also has tutorial

in tutorial

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/useblockbenchtocreatemodelswithtextures?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[glacial remnant]

when i do emersive one the non emersive part is metallic is that how it is or i can fix it

[sonic canopy]

Can't, puddles or porosity can only be done via custom shaders which we don't have, currently rain doesn't affect reflectivity in any way in vanilla VV

[glacial remnant]

also the doc says i need "capabilities": [ "pbr" ] which i havent added yet it seems to work on rtx settings

which mode is the best for PBR testing ? i am using rtx rn

[ornate hollow]

oh

you can use RTX

so

use better RTX for having rain puddle and many things better

[ornate hollow]

PBR campabilities is VV compatible

or allow you enable VV with the pack have PBR campabilities

like RTX pack

[glacial remnant]

hmm

[glacial remnant]

any fix for this

[ornate hollow]

wdym?

[glacial remnant]

@ornate hollow

[ornate hollow]

erase color mer on that

[glacial remnant]

like set to 0 or empty

[ornate hollow]

empty

[glacial remnant]

oh, and brightness decide glow rigth?

[ornate hollow]

idk

[glacial remnant]

where do i edit lights

[quick nymph]

What lights are you trying to edit?

Point lights or global lighting?

[glacial remnant]

any where to locate them

[quick nymph]

What are you looking for?

[glacial remnant]

those things

on doc it says how to edit them

where do i do that

[quick nymph]

What things?

[glacial remnant]

whats the purpose of doc about lighting

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/lightingcustomization?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[dusky lagoon]

Why normal map not work in deferred

[quick nymph]

It is intended for people making deferred packs

[wise hinge]

new water doc.

It seems that the direction_increment doesn't have any effect on my water tho

ahh btw for someone new to deferred pack dev, there's a deleted explanation about atmospherics' parameters here.
old atmosphere doc

[sonic canopy]

I wonder why it was deleted

[daring jewel]

To fix this first when making the emissive texture make sure to make the non emissive areas have a white color in the blue channel of the mer file, this will make the block have a high roughness managing it’s not reflective

[amber whale]

anyone else having really bad performance issues on deferred with this weeks preview?

lowest settings on series x and its running at 44fps

usually ran at 58/60 fps on max settings

nice

[wise hinge]

Beautiful

[civic radish]

I had performance issues after 1.21.20, it was so bad I barely had 15fps after I turned off everything, and put quality on 33, billinear my game ran at 100fps and iy looked decent

[amber whale]

the thing here is that this used to happen as a lag spike that usually lasted 3 to 6 seconds and now its basically permanent

and its really weird

i tried uninstalling and reinstalling minecraft preview and in the first 2 hours performance was back to normal but then the same thing happened

huge lag spike out of nowhere

that completely fried my performance

[civic radish]

Hust tey everything off, bilinear 33% must boost fps momentally

[wise hinge]

[wintry sigil]

:0

[wise hinge]

NaN

[dusty whale]

🤔🤔

[quick nymph]

Is this Verg1rls pack?

[daring jewel]

That’s prizma

[glacial remnant]

how do i edit those lights

[white willow]

Blender in Minecraft real

I'm still tweaking the colors, contrast, and all that to get a super render-like look while still being playable

[quick nymph]

How are the reflections so sharp?

[daring jewel]

i am guessing they are using strawberry

[quick nymph]

Strawberry graphics instead of prizma?

[daring jewel]

also the shadows are also quiet dark

[quick nymph]

Or strawberry + prizma

[daring jewel]

the configs from strawberry, the screenshot is quiet old

[daring jewel]

yea

[quick nymph]

Ohh strawberry has configs!

Thank you

[daring jewel]

the version is a older one so this might be a older screenshot so it makes sense. also strawberry used increase IBL a bit and that can be seen as well

[sonic canopy]

Implemented debug text in the shader

[white willow]

because ive implemented my own HG function now, im able to manipulate the one in RTX way easier to get the desired results

[long ruin]

who remembers BSBE deferred

[vague shoal]

We need deferred to look like this no modding renderer

Or shaders

[proud pike]

It already looks better without doing any modifications to the renderer

[proud pike]

Case in point, alexis's screenshots

[tribal trail]

it's just a prizma magic

[tribal trail]

@still zenith fix for transparency is not working too well

[faint frigate]

😅 Looks like the charged creeper thing

[harsh iris]

imo anti-aliasing and soft shadows are overrated.

[tribal trail]

Why anti aliasing?

[harsh iris]

there is nothing wrong with jagged borders.
why do most players prefer blurred edges if they're not even going to pay that much attention to it?

[wintry sigil]

it's just a direct upgrade from the jagged borders

if you were to not notice it and not care then yeah sure

but its noticeable to enough people to warrant giving it a fix at all

so why not

I much prefer having

[long ruin]

Same

[civic radish]

No, soft shadows look better they look realistic and not pixelated much that why they better

[proud pike]

Which mc version is this on?

[safe urchin]

1.21.70

[proud pike]

Interesting

[drowsy lantern]

When your deferred shader come?

[sonic canopy]

Stopped working on it after we lost access to shader source and I realised that RTX shaders are much cooler and more enjoyable to make

[leaden stump]

How to use subsurface scattering in deffered, for example I have a pale leaves and want the sun add sss effect on edges how do I do it, also how to fix paintings emitting bloom even after applying roughness

[white willow]

SSS is used within the alpha channel of the MER. You also need to set the the format version to 1.21.30 and metalness_emissive_roughness_subsurface in the texture set

I have a video that shows how to use the alpha channel in a png

This is for Photoshop but the I for can definitely be brought over to other editors

It's hard to follow I know

I'll likely make a commentary based version at some point

[bitter cargo]

sometimes it’s hard to tell if VV is on or not

like in interiors or at night

[tribal trail]

because of no SSAO

[bitter cargo]

also entities and tile entities look ugly (specifically the lack of shading)

but thats the case even outside of VV

hoping that means "not yet" and not a straight "nyet"

[tribal trail]

i don' really care about GI

i NEED ssao

mixed with current vanilla AO

that would look epic

[bitter cargo]

has any dev acknowledged it here?

[tribal trail]

nope

but

I'm delusional

So i'm manifesting it

[leaden stump]

which one is better ibl or ssr

[daring jewel]

Ibl is used for the reflection of the sky while ssr is used for other reflections that are in the players viewport. That’s the reason why the sky reflection is always preset T even if you are not looking at the sky.

[ornate hollow]

i need GI from mojag

[wise hinge]

i need a volumetric fog adjustment in the underwater...

[ornate hollow]

no need

thick fog underwater will be volumetric rays

thick volumetric rays

[daring jewel]

Wait does the current water coefficients not work

[graceful iron]

That’s hot

holy

[wise hinge]

Particle concentrations are affecting the underwater environment significantly, it's okay that they have impact tho

it's just too much

[sonic canopy]

Last 2 showcase motion blur

[quick nymph]

Are you nearly finished your lens simulation?

[sonic canopy]

Quite the opposite, I fully deleted it for now 🙃

[quick nymph]

What!!

[sonic canopy]

Initially I just added it quickly, to see how good it will look, but the implementation wasn't the best. I'm currently working on better glass materials, and will soon implement spectral rendering (it would enable effects such as dispersion, chromatic aberration, and ultra accurate colors and lighting), and then I will come back to lens simulation and implement it again, but in a proper way.

[quick nymph]

👍

[graceful iron]

You should make a proper roadmap

would be really cool

[faint snow]

with deferred rendering>

?

[quick nymph]

No, with RTX

[drowsy lantern]

So we can't se your deferred shader?

[wise hinge]

[sonic canopy]

No, it doesn't work on latest versions anymore

[ornate hollow]

WOW HUGE UPDATE

[long ruin]

The underwater bug seems to be fixed

Where it would phase to darkness after 8 blocks

[wise hinge]

yipee

[daring jewel]

Gonna update now and see what’s the changes

[pale urchin]

What about cave lighting?

[long ruin]

Haven't tested it yet

[daring jewel]

what did they change about it

[pale urchin]

Dunno. I assume it's related to the underwater bug though

[white willow]

Yay

[long ruin]

Also, performance has increased a lot

Used to get 90-100, now I'm getting 120+ on 8 gen elite

No changes to my settings either

[white willow]

Wow

I'm gonna test on my phone shortly

[daring jewel]

update havent come to pc yet

[ornate hollow]

Excite

EXCITE!!!

EXCITED

[white willow]

Water fog updated and looks way better

[wise hinge]

yay!!!!

[ornate hollow]

Is fog appear in cave?

[white willow]

This is default VV

[ornate hollow]

Now?

W

[white willow]

Idk

[ornate hollow]

G

G

[white willow]

Noisy reflections on iOS has also been fixed

[ornate hollow]

WWWW

[white willow]

they took the feedback

Omg

I love yall

No more metallic grass

[wise hinge]

yay

[white willow]

AND YALL TOOK MY FEEDBACK ON THE IRON

ITS NOT NOISY NOW

ggs guys

[daring jewel]

got the update on pc, updating now

[white willow]

The default volumetric fog is blue now

Or like whitish

Default VV looks soo much better

Good job guys fr

[daring jewel]

fr

[wise hinge]

Wait direction increment is working

[white willow]

Although I wish there was a bit more VL fog

[wise hinge]

cook the water again

[pale urchin]

So how are other dimensions

[ornate hollow]

Noooo

[pale urchin]

What

[ornate hollow]

No custom caustics and water wave at this time

[daring jewel]

thats water wave on and off only, waves itself can be customised, currect me if i am wrong

[pale urchin]

Honestly, I never expected them to

[ornate hollow]

I see

!!

[ornate hollow]

No green

Better

When vanilla reforged/plagued PBR deferred update?

[white willow]

Soon school is really tiring rn

[ornate hollow]

O

[ornate hollow]

O

[white willow]

Vanilla reforged underwater

[faint frigate]

Do caustics also work on the side of blocks or still not?

[daring jewel]

@wise hinge the editor is fixed ggs guys

[white willow]

Nope not atm

[wise hinge]

i can't play...

[faint frigate]

Sad. I hope it gets fixed before 1.21.90 drops

[wise hinge]

preview keeps crashing................

I can't make pack..sad

[daring jewel]

hmmm, the shift and space bar are not working i the editor when in edit mode. @real berry

[real berry]

#1340055990053244938

[daring jewel]

mb

[ornate hollow]

Volumetric rays

Hmm

Wave and Caustics not matching

Hmmmmm

[daring jewel]

hmm??

[ornate hollow]

Imagine

Rays straight down

Like shader

In some game

I still wonder

[wise hinge]

fixed!!! nvm!

and direction_increment is working correctly!

yipee

[white willow]

@still zenith I don't believe this is intended end behavior? And volumetric fog appears fully broken (unless it needs the biome configs or whatever)

[ornate hollow]

Am I see noise?

[white willow]

The end static is back

That's not noise

[ornate hollow]

Vanilla sky the end

Look noisy

With fog

[proud pike]

VV changes are fire 🔥🔥

[wise hinge]

water is cooked real

[tribal trail]

how it works

my game works so bad now

WITH POINT LIGHTS TURNED OFF

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

oh wait

vsync was my problem

after turning it off i have 58 fps

playable

[proud pike]

Still cooked ngl

What settings?

[tribal trail]

but it's much worse than before

i used to have 110 fps with point lights off

[wise hinge]

night

[tribal trail]

ultra everything but point lights off

and 75%taau

[proud pike]

Vol fog too?

Try with that at high

[wise hinge]

adds more movement between each octave

[tribal trail]

i used to have 100-110 fps with ultra fog and just point lights turned off 😭

[tribal trail]

after turning off deferred

[wise hinge]

I got fps drop too

[quasi trench]

strange

someone says perf is better then theres this

[ornate hollow]

I can't wait to test the new backward optimization

[wise hinge]

it's bugged now

[oak thicket]

Point lights in the newest preview are bugged

On Xbox

Also they heavily optimized vibrant visuals I have stable 60 fps with everything set to ultra on Xbox series s

[tribal trail]

huh

[oak thicket]

Does lava with point lights still cause performance issues like it did a year ago

[tribal trail]

yup

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

xD

[oak thicket]

Old deferred

[daring jewel]

could be the new water stuff or something else

[wise hinge]

is the direction_increment working correctly for you?

[tribal trail]

my rtx 3060 is dying with deferred now

[daring jewel]

i think they are

yup they are, they were working last update aswell

due to the water fix i will be reenabling shadows in my colorgrading

[wise hinge]

sky color doesn't work for many biomes...