Graphics General

[proud pike]

bedrock shader when

[white willow]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[proud pike]

BRTX shader would be amazing

[white willow]

idk

[white willow]

thats my likely goal. but i need to learn path tracing haha

id like to do an offline renderer at some point

[proud pike]

Something like what Veka has with his PT shader?

[white willow]

yea. i mean hes also writing a brtx based one now so

[proud pike]

Yep ik

[sonic canopy]

Oh yeah, there are some very obvious and easy to fix issues. While the devs are watching, let me list a few: bows and crossbows supply the same colors both via texture and via vertex color, so they multiply together and the texture gamma becomes darker. Banner UVs are offset by 1 pixel for no reason. Bloom mip chain summation is missing (addittive blending is not enabled). One of the compute passes supplies a denoiser parameter index that is greater than 0 or 1, so it overflows the array and uses garbage data as denoiser parameters. Doors supply vanilla shading as vertex color, which ends u darkening the albedo. Sky is not included in auto exposure. Clouds have some of its faces duplicated with inverted normals, which breaks their appearance.

[civic radish]

My pc couldn't handle this, what bad about it I like it

[quasi trench]

i saw another ss with jeb saying in the coming months

so not next week

[proud pike]

There are many people in the same boat, but all reasonably priced hardware from the past 6 years can handle deferred rendering in its current form just fine, the even lower end machines have issues. This would likely get better over time as optimisation continues behind the scenes.

[white willow]

these are all very minor oversights too

shadows lately have been oddly noisy in various situations too. it wasnt always that way either

even in vanilla without betterRTX

so its just slowly breaking more and more 😭

[vague shoal]

“Plagued visuals”

[quasi trench]

REFORGED VISUALS

[white willow]

i dont hate that one

[quasi trench]

VRV

[daring jewel]

i think having graphics at the end will be better, like plagued graphics (maybe pbr might be good) or prizma graphics/pbr etc...

[wintry sigil]

this stupid rendering engine consumes too much of my life and I'm hardly even a pack creator

[sonic canopy]

Btw anyone tried yet adding pbr to beacon beam?

[white willow]

yea

it doesnt work

[sonic canopy]

In latest update as well?

[white willow]

my pack has a defined beacon beam texture set

and it hasnt worked

[civic radish]

does anyone knows why adding point light to sugar cane doesn't work for me, I use 1.21.40 format version

[white willow]

because point lights only work on blocks with a light level

[civic radish]

😪 Really?

[long ruin]

sigh... custom blocks

if only

[civic radish]

So i can't add light to emissive mer blocks?

[white willow]

no. it needs to have a light level

[sonic canopy]

Hm, even with MER defined as scalar values and not via textures?

[white willow]

it works if entities have a global emsisive value defined

but doesnt work from texture set

last i checked at least

i can test again but i do have these

[civic radish]

Is it possible to apply mer to paintings, for exanple heightmaps?

[white willow]

i believe those are in the bugged category

[sonic canopy]

I see, that explains why it looks metallic on my end. (I have global entity MERS configured, to test entity PBR in RTX)

[white willow]

lemme do a quick test though

i ahve a heightmap and nothing

its also not rendered in ssr lol

oh nvm it is

[civic radish]

How does ssr work? My game craches when i enable ssr

[white willow]

it seems the beacon is just slightly emissive by default

cuz my emissive map is set to 0

255 emissivty

it actually might be a little brighter

lemme make it reflective and metallic

nope

doesnt work

the brighter one is because the exposure adjusted more

[sonic canopy]

Looks like some NaNs popped up during accumulation, I'm gonna have to deal with that

[white willow]

dang. looks great thoiugh

[civic radish]

yes

[sonic canopy]

^

[gaunt sparrow]

vibrant visuals is beta for deferred technical preview

[white willow]

eh no. its the final version of deferred

[silent zealot]

Also tehnically false.

[silent zealot]

Vibrant Visuals is Mojang's Deferred Rendering pack. Think about it as the Vanilla Pack for deferred rendering.

[sonic canopy]

Is it tho? I'm guessing there will only be a VV toggle, and to get creator made visuals, you'd apply a pack and enable VV

[silent zealot]

Yeah, VV is the graphics mode name.

[pale urchin]

So it will be Simple, Fancy, and Vibrant

[white willow]

raytraced crying in the corner

[earnest sierra]

I wonder what will happen to Java’s fabulous graphic option

[pale urchin]

Does anything have to happen to it?

[earnest sierra]

Not really, but it’d be interesting

[white willow]

i dont think it would get changed

[silent zealot]

Corerct.

[silent zealot]

It will probably be a fall back like fancy is.

[quick nymph]

I know this is more about textures than graphics but, how might I go about making a new texture for something like caustics or the sun?

[ornate hollow]

Imagine they showcase the pbr pack from one creator in here

[long ruin]

It would be nice if they did a creator showcase in the future

[white willow]

AgX vs ACES comparison. AgX left

same order

also sorry i have DoF enabled in the AgX shots

[tribal trail]

I wish

[bitter kiln]

bro knows she would be the one showcased 😭

[tribal trail]

I don't think they will provide any pack

[silent zealot]

#1351937058486095893 message

[tribal trail]

I would lie if i said i don't want it but there are other packs that are great too

[quick nymph]

Wdym?

What do you mean by vibrant visuals going to 30fps?

[shell gorge]

bedrock

[long ruin]

ptsd

[wise hinge]

[quick nymph]

Don't be

[gaunt sparrow]

minecraft super duper graphics pack was going to be fun 😭

[sonic canopy]

Upgraded my depth of field to (very primitive) camera lens simulation

[still zenith]

We will. It will be included in the base Vanilla resource pack stack shortly. 👍

[still zenith]

This looks sooo good. Way better than my own Bokeh experiments. 😍

[still zenith]

Vibrant Visuals is designed to be an extension aligned with established patterns for resource packs. 😉

[still zenith]

My first Minecraft gig. We've come a long way since then. ❤️

[long ruin]

Lol yeah

[sonic canopy]

Thank you! I'm trying to get to a point where I can fully simulate a film camera in BRTX, but there are still ways to go before this milestone can be reached 😅

[long ruin]

2 of the best minds I know conversing here 🍿

[still zenith]

That's a great project! Keep at it!

[sonic canopy]

Left it accumulating some more, this is a less noisy version

[wise hinge]

[quick nymph]

Will the default caustics texture ever get changed?

[white willow]

yes you guys have

[long ruin]

Don't think it will because they are definitely going for a pixelated look

Same for the shadows

It fits Minecraft tbh

[quick nymph]

Yea I know about the shadows but the caustics look pretty bad.

[white willow]

i did something far less significant but ive added the blender tonemapper within RTX. it works shockingly well

[long ruin]

I see your point, perhaps some adjustments to the intensity might make it look better

And once underwater looks good

[quick nymph]

Yea

[white willow]

the color variety and depth is kinda nuts

[blazing whale]

Can Vibrant Visual later be implemented Global Illumination?

[quick nymph]

That looks a bit noisy is there any way to fix that?

[white willow]

path tracing will always be noisy. you cant completely denoise path tracing

especially GI

[long ruin]

[white willow]

but BRTXs denoiser does need a bit of work in general

[quick nymph]

Can you adjust the noise threshold?

[white willow]

i know nothing about A-SVGF though so not something i can fix

[white willow]

doesnt work like that

[quick nymph]

Oh, lol I know nothing about MCRTX all I know is blender knowledge

[white willow]

blender is an offline renderer

like what veka is making

so it just has to sit there and accumulate

[long ruin]

Yepper

[white willow]

BRTX needs a real time denoiser and current denoising (even ray reconstruction) isnt perfect

but its an incredibly complex system. BRTXs denoising is very flawed though.

it sends back a lot of bad data that should be discarded and isn't. as well as doesnt adapt for noise very well and then treats ambient occlusion as noise

its quite a mess and i wish i was knowledgable enough to fix it

[quick nymph]

That is a very convoluted system

[long ruin]

[sonic canopy]

Ok this one is the last one, I really need to go to sleep now lol

[faint snow]

Wondering if VV is planned to be customizable in Java as well?

[long ruin]

Most likely

[dusky lagoon]

What if i add this

[quick nymph]

Add what exactly?

[bitter cargo]

iirc, helen angel said something about render dragon being able to be implemented in java edition
but that was a long time ago and xilefian denied it so idk

[quasi trench]

My favorite way to turn

[dusky lagoon]

Why I m. Unable to add this in defferd

[dusky lagoon]

@earnest sierra can you help

[earnest sierra]

The normal map?

Do you have a texture set for the texture?

[civic radish]

But where can I download shaderc and what param is this?

[civic radish]

i really like the torch and lartern lights, what shader is this where can I get it?

[tribal trail]

DOF for Deferred? :3

[daring jewel]

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

Do you guys plan on adding new features like ssao, DOF and more? 🥹 It's better than what it was before for sure but I still think it needs few things to be perfect

And will we be able to customize clouds? I hope so

Or will be in future option for more realistic clouds?

[wise hinge]

pink clouds

[daring jewel]

Hopefully (volumetric clouds)

[wise hinge]

3 layer clouds

[daring jewel]

More customisable clouds in general is what we want. Also by the looks of it exposure looks a bit better on the video showcase aswell

[tribal trail]

Yes!!!

i need that :c

[tribal trail]

doesn't it have rpoblems with light leaking through walls

[white willow]

Yea.

From what I understand the leakage isn't too bad though

[tribal trail]

btw are new clouds volumetric?

they look almost like the rtx ones and they are volumetric iirc

no

thye are too thin

and too big

also i was hoping for few layers clouds 🥹

and THYE ARE WHITE AT NIGHT

mojang please, work on proper clouds 🥹

and SSAO

my soul need that

also item pbr and item reflections being broken

floodfill lightning was changed to be more vanilla like

[white willow]

Yea I noticed

Unless that's a new feature 👀

Being able to customize vanilla block light

[blazing whale]

I hope Vibrant Visuals will have refraction on water

[tribal trail]

i hope

but that clouds look trash at night

[white willow]

It was a confirmed feature over a year ago

So

Hopefully

[tribal trail]

just like vanila one but brighter

[blazing whale]

Yeah

[white willow]

Yea this is bad. I think the pitch black sky doesn't help though

The demo they showed of this definitely comes off as unfinished (which of course it is)

[tribal trail]

aajab please keep your promise 🙏

[tribal trail]

I wonder what else they want to add/change before the official release

[white willow]

I pray for caustics movement and light shaft manipulation

And maybe some kind of simple ssao

Auto exposure still needs a good amount of work

[tribal trail]

YESSS

it lacks any ao so much

even simple ssao would improve visuals

[tribal trail]

i want my local exposure back :c

[tribal trail]

caustics movement is fine but light shaft manipulation is needed

[white willow]

My main problems with exposure is it's over compensating for nighttime. Nighttime can end up so bright

[tribal trail]

but refraction is very needed because water looks so flat now when it's not reflecting anything

[white willow]

Unless I'm doing something wrong but the new AE needs some tuning still

If it works on a histogram (which I don't believe it does) getting the ability to adjust that histogram resource pack side would be nice ngl

But just being able to adjust the min/max EV would be nice 🙏

And also being able to set a target exposure

That way we can tune exposure to how our packs work

[daring jewel]

you can turn them on from the configs

[bitter cargo]

would the shadows have to be pixelated?

[tribal trail]

i think pack creators will be able to decide

(i hope)

[quasi trench]

its not a shader actually

[bitter cargo]

something about deferred feels odd but i cant tell what

[sonic canopy]

Really like how this one turned out

[tribal trail]

No SSAO? Clouds? No waving plants? No refraction?

[long ruin]

For me, I think it's the lack of good AO

[tribal trail]

same

and refraction

THAT WATER IS FLAT BECAUSE OF THAT

[rocky halo]

when diffraction

lol

[bitter cargo]

is that the darker shading in corners?

[white willow]

Yea but AO isn't just darker shading in corners

[wise hinge]

renderdragon spawn egg when

[white willow]

Ambient occlusion can act as a form of "indirect lighting" something deferred so dearly lacks

(Also why normals are flat when in shadow)

[tribal trail]

directional lightmap we need

[white willow]

Agree

[tribal trail]

but ssao is really needed

[white willow]

Vanilla lighting can't influence normals 😔

[tribal trail]

aajab please

[bitter cargo]

may be subjective but

does sdgp look "nicer" because they put more work into the textures and details or did they have more stuff implemented?

not sure how to word it

[tribal trail]

they just made it look very vanilla like

but there are alredy packs that looks better

they just need to add ssao, and it will look better than sdgp in my eyes

[white willow]

How long did these render for

[sonic canopy]

Maybe 2 or 3 mins

[sonic canopy]

This one I left for an hour tho

[sonic canopy]

And this one 5 mins iirc

[white willow]

Accumulated fairly well then

Although it's been awhile since I've messed with an offline renderer in mc

Last time was that old vulkanite demo

[white willow]

I wonder what they did for the vanilla rp. It obviously uses the normals. But I'm curious in the res

I assume they are 16x normals

It's just really hard to tell

They seem incredibly soft

Except for the water normal

[white willow]

Likely to stay true to vanilla

[bitter cargo]

looked too "plasticy" in places

[tribal trail]

some blocks don't use normalmaps

a lot of blocks looks like they don't use normalmaps at all and are just flat

[tribal trail]

yes

[white willow]

Yea seems like it. We will find out when the vanilla pack is available to look at

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows why setting block emissiveness to 255 doesn't emit bloom?

[white willow]

Emissive brightness was toned way done recently

So emissives don't get very bright atm

[white willow]

i love this tonemap

vanilla rtx tonemapper

did a lot better than i thought. I do like how pronounced the GI is

Aces

very similar to agx but with more vibrancy

idk i just like the more dulled colors of AgX. it feels super natural

[still zenith]

No, nothing like that. I just like to dabble with different computer graphics tech in my spare time. 🙂

[bitter kiln]

Ohh wow these are so pretty

Could I pay you to make one in that scene with my skin 😭

[bitter kiln]

Which pack is that

[vague shoal]

Hi aaja

[still zenith]

@sonic canopy for your Bokeh/DoF experiments, I dug up a cool resource I found a while ago that you might find useful for this purpose. A user on the Pentax forums, Matt Gunn, scanned and uploaded a bunch of different f/stops of isolated bokeh shapes from a variety of lenses. These are super high resolution, physically accurate bokeh shapes. 👍 https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/81530-lens-bokeh-research-help.html

I was able to scrap 14 different sets of bokeh shapes from his uploads. Great for calibration.

[vague shoal]

[sonic canopy]

Ooo, thanks! This immediately gets me thinking of how it can be approached in real-time 😅 Also yeah, seems like it'd be great for calibration. I've only really tried modelling one lens, but that page seems to feature some other interesting ones, and if there are patents available for them, it'd be quite fun to compare how close lens simulation can get to the real deal.

Btw the lens that I was trying to simulate is an old Soviet lens called Helios. Its distinct feature is a bokeh swirl. And I also just happens to be lucky enough to own one of those, along with Zenit film camera 👀 Unfortunately there is no patent for Helios as far as I know, but it was based on another lens for which there is a patent, and it also features a similar swirl https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/007743267/publication/US1786916A?q=US1786916

Here's an example of how swirly it can get. I'm a very big fan of this effect

This one I took on my zenit with Helios. Unfortunately its not quite as swirly, probably due to a slightly different lens model and a relatively small size of 35mm film, compared to modern cameras with large sensors.

[silent zealot]

Somewhat, in this instance not a fan.

Really depends on the subject.

[sonic canopy]

Mods, split every atom in his body

[silent zealot]

I just can't stop seeing that Mr. Krabs scene.

https://tenor.com/view/krusty-krab-mr-krab-spin-spinning-gif-5521510

[tribal trail]

Oh

It is what it is

But refraction is still planned?

Btw Hii

[hollow timber]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-14385308006689816010

[white willow]

Improved the visual clarity within my AgX implementation. Looks much like a render lol

[ornate hollow]

why not?

water flat

[silent zealot]

Genuinely curious, if you have both deferred and rtx pack on and you press ; does it switch to the highest pack?

[graceful iron]

I think it just switches to simple graphics?

Pretty sure by default ; does that now

[silent zealot]

By default it does yes. But im saying if you had both rtx and deferred packs on. ; would switch from fancy to RTX if you had only rtx pack on.

[graceful iron]

I’m pretty sure it still switches to simple even if you have an RTX pack. For me, it only ever begins to switch to RTX once I’ve enabled it in video settings

so I have to switch to RTX first for ; to actually toggle RTX rather than “simple”

[silent zealot]

Interesting, at leadt for deferred it doesnt do that

[graceful iron]

Might be a skill issue on my end idk

[silent zealot]

I dont have an rtx capable gpu so I cant test this myself.

[graceful iron]

At some point the RTX toggle kinda broke so it could be that

[tribal trail]

if you have deferred experimental toggle on in your world, it will switch to deferred

[silent zealot]

Now to bring this question back up when Deferred isn't experimental.

[tribal trail]

it will probably just switch to deferred

[daring jewel]

If you put a deferred pack on top of rtx and use it in a world with render dragon features turned off then some things like fog from the deferred pack will be used, but if this happens with the experimental feature on then the top pack will take priority and will only use deferred and rtx will be locked

When released in think if you have a rtx pack both deferred and rtx can be used but with deferred packs only deferred can be activated

[vague shoal]

I wonder how much optimization we will get soon since deferred is near release

[quick nymph]

Probably not that much, even though they will be releasing deferred it still won't be finished and they will continue to work on it.

[vague shoal]

They can’t release a poorly performing renderer 💀

[quick nymph]

They can, but currently it doesn't perform that poorly so they won't be releasing a poorly optimized renderer

[white willow]

Idk in some situations getting below 60 on a 4070S and not at ultra doesn't seem optimized

[tribal trail]

are you sure?

i think they might stop working on deferred completly after release

[bitter kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624661465806405643/1061055231875620954/attachment.gif

[vague shoal]

Perhaps they’ve already optimized a lot of things and they’ll be rolling out soon

[wintry sigil]

thats what I'm hoping for

[civic radish]

How can I fix bloom not working properly, setting green channel to 255 makes block lighter but doesn't emit bloom like on 1.21.30? Does anyone knows how to fix this on 1.21.80 preview?

[soft cliff]

lol

[rocky halo]

I'm not agree.
Firstly more customization will allow creators to make more diversified packs.
Secondly compared with rtx, here the thing will be on all platforms so it's clearly more impactful for the game if it's has lots of bugs or not.
And finally since distant horizons release and how it's amazing, I'm sure mojang will add one day a lod system like that

And it's sure that a lod system like distant horizons will not be present at the deferred release

[bitter kiln]

or ever

[rocky halo]

let's see who will be right

in 40 years

I hope I will survive the WW3

[quick nymph]

From what some of the devs said on the live event I think that it probably won't be finished when they release it, though I am probably wrong.

[long ruin]

They said "We are at the start of a very long journey"

[dusky lagoon]

Vv is just awesome

Look in hand reflection

And texture of stone

[quasi trench]

maybe i dunno my android gpus but mali g57 is lower than mali g67

so are you even supposed to be able to enable deferred rendering

[dusky lagoon]

Yes i don't know why

[civic radish]

The deffered shaders are degrading just look at the sun it looks so wrong when on older version it wouldn't happen, same with many more things like bloom that works or doesn't work

[civic radish]

And who in tf world is heu, what he always tries to tell by putting 👎 on my every word?

[ornate hollow]

he's corrected that

you wrong

[wintry sigil]

I have no idea who that is

[white willow]

Bloom on emissives is weird wym because emissive strength was recently changed. Emissives at this current moment are way to weak. Brother this is a TECHNICAL PREVIEW. It's basically a tech demo. Just be patient

[long ruin]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[civic radish]

Sure, but what with atmospherics mie scatterring it's either too bright or not incorrect same with same, so in next preview it'd be fixed right?

[white willow]

The brightness around the sun is fog

Fog is mostly condensed at the sun position now

I also don't think anyone is trying to sit here and say deferred is perfect

It's got big issues. But a good chunk of issues, especially with the sky, seem fixed/improved with VV

[quasi trench]

i wonder if DTP experimental toggle will ever hit stable before official release

[ornate hollow]

maybe

[quasi trench]

what if it did today

naw im kidding there’s no way

[ornate hollow]

vibrant visuals BETA

like

RTX beta

[vague shoal]

Perhaps it could in the summer on select devices and then fully release in fall??

[quasi trench]

my theory is like a few weeks away from full release

or most likely not at all

i’d love to be wrong though it’s harder to organize worlds or servers in preview vs stable

[long ruin]

Like what he said, I think VV could be in the Summer Drop

[silent zealot]

VV is not going to be in Summer Drop.

[long ruin]

Fall...?

[silent zealot]

More likely.

[long ruin]

Id rather wait for a finished product

[quasi trench]

for sure

otherwise it would defeat the idea of a stable release

[long ruin]

Fr

[wintry sigil]

biggest fear is it being a deadline they're not ready for

but its still a lot of time so hoping

[bitter kiln]

For so long the sky was bugged 😩😭

[tribal trail]

why?

[bitter kiln]

Like, half the sky would be super dark, and the other half would be the correct color

[tribal trail]

oooh

yeah

but it was fixed long time ago

[stark harness]

How much fps should I get. In defferd with rtx 2060

[white willow]

Depends on the settings

But you should be able to get 70-90

On mostly high

Found some ancient deferred images

Wow I was so bad at deferred stuff back then

Holy

1.21.0.21

[wintry sigil]

such a tasty sky in that last pic

it's so uncomfy to look at (T^T)

[white willow]

The sky was still half dark at that time lol

Such a weird time for deferred

[civic radish]

The last image is the best since the water looks nice, no reflections just water, sky looks nice and sun

[white willow]

Sky is overly saturated, horizon blends horribly, sky colors are bad. But that's just my opinion

Water is also a nuclear blue

[long ruin]

post-apocalyptic

[tribal trail]

turquoise sky with red horizon and white sun is nice?

[tribal trail]

yeah your pack made huge glow up

looksmaxing for deferred pack

[white willow]

For real. Old plagued PBR versions are genuinely terrible

The PBR also wasn't that good either

The progress I've made in a year 💪

[tribal trail]

i should make comperation of old prizma with new prizma

but i'm too lazy to make configs work with new deferred versions

i could use old deferred tbh

[white willow]

My latest pack never really had a bad version. Plagued PBR tho... oh my 😭

[tribal trail]

would also be a comperation of 2023 deferred with 2025

[white willow]

It's kinda like when you rewrite a shader and it's just better than before regardless

[tribal trail]

my pack also ddin't really have bad bad versions

sky was very dark

but other than that they were "fine"

[white willow]

Yea

[tribal trail]

but i made switch from warm colors for everything pink

[white willow]

There's no denying tho that this stuff was awful 💀

Like modern day now

[tribal trail]

time to cook

[tribal trail]

nevermind

it's not working

[graceful iron]

Bruh

[long ruin]

xd

definitely back up your worlds and stuff before installing that

I've lost some worlds before by using it

[civic radish]

Yes, it is it looks way better than plain blue or white sky with simple rounded sun

[white willow]

Wym white sky? No pack uses a white sky, or a rounded sun

I actually went out of my way to make a very obvious square sun recently

[white willow]

The big issue with this color palette is that it always looks sunset/sunrise. This is during the plain daytime. I'm not saying everyone has to go full realism all the time and use perfectly accurate sky colors. But there's stylization and just not making any sense. The turquoise sky and orange horizon fails both stylization and making sense

I can redo that with my current skill set way better

But there's definitely a reason people tend to go for more realism in their colors over something like that 🤷‍♂️

I do intend to make a more cartoony and stylized pack but I'm kinda waiting for the whole feature set of deferred to be ready

Right now I'm pushing the realism goal as far as I can

[ornate hollow]

let's find sneak deferred update

[long ruin]

wtf?? 😭

[civic radish]

L for not being those who know💀

[long ruin]

I dont think I want to know..

[civic radish]

Ofc you don't 💀

You can't know it, only sigmas who stepped on crotian landmine know

💀💀🍷💀🍷🍷💀🍷💀🍷💀

[long ruin]

nothing graphical about that

[graceful iron]

[vague shoal]

Found the YouTube shorts user 🪫

[pale urchin]

Is the end sky fixed for anyone else?

Something weird is happpening with the fog though. When I'm away from a light source, there's no fog at all

It's happening in the nether too

[wintry sigil]

this was a bigggg issue in the nether

flickered a lot between fog and no fog

[ornate hollow]

render distance changed

[silent zealot]

Yep.

[quasi trench]

oh cool more options

[daring jewel]

its not a website, he just goes through the game files

[quasi trench]

granted it’s easy to have a custom render distance on any device but

not everyone knows that so +

[daring jewel]

yea, fog requires a light source to render and the end dont have any so thats why

its just visual studio code

thats the software that he has opened the files in

[sonic canopy]

What are the features that we know are coming but aren't available yet? Pixel locked shadows and reflections and cloud shading? Anything else?

I wanna see if anything from that can be enabled via material editing

Shadows and reflections definitely can

[daring jewel]

pretty much yea, thats all that we know will be coming soon

if you were to not consider the kinda confirmed thing from the devs like refractions and stuff but yea

[sonic canopy]

I think that should enable quantized reflections and shadows (windows only). I wasn't able to figure out a way to enable new clouds tho. Note that this feature might look different upon release, possibly because I might've messed something up when trying to enable it

If ya'll want to experiment further, you can unpack these materials with lazurite and try changing default value of a uniform called OVERWRITE_QuantizationParameters

[wise hinge]

ah

[wintry sigil]

those shadows look better than i thought they would

[sonic canopy]

Btw I'm not sure if my changes affect reflections from the water or if sky reflections are rendered any differently. But it was looking better when other blocks (e.g. iron block) were reflecting other objects via ssr

But shadows do look quite good here

[long ruin]

Even the point light shadows are pixelated, looks cool ngl

[wise hinge]

pixelated reflection is cute

[brave star]

my eyes

[white willow]

its missing required deferred config files

yea

[hearty seal]

Plagued pbr is peak

[quasi trench]

old deferred throwback time again

what’s that? older you say?

[white willow]

ive made a sample resource pack that should still work

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[long ruin]

[wise hinge]

[wintry sigil]

have they not been? I swear this is all i can get with them rn TwT

[long ruin]

They are, but Vekas pack makes them more aligned with the pixel grid of the texture

Sorry for the confusion

[wintry sigil]

oh that's cool actually

[white willow]

vanilla caustics take 2

[ornate hollow]

bloom 1.0 intensity

[ornate hollow]

0.5

[white willow]

had to go into the configs and enable local exposure but heres some sick shots i got

reason i had to enable local exposure was because the regular exposure was compensating SOOOO much for the bright lights that you were literally going blind

with local exposure its somewhat tolerable

[white willow]

wibble

[white willow]

so um

an issue has been found (not originally by me) but i did some testing

SSR range is farther with upscaling on than it is off

heres a scrub through video. first image is Upscaling disabled then it just scrubs through them

[white willow]

@still zenith sorry for the ping. This is a very random problem to happen though

[wintry sigil]

not to mention the res differences

[dusky lagoon]

[sonic canopy]

I didn't compile any shaders for this btw, I just edited uniform definition and bgfx data of shaders, but didn't compile or decompile any code

Shaderc download https://github.com/veka0/bgfx-mcbe/releases/tag/binaries

No, I just unpacked material with lazurite, edited some json files and packed it back

Idk, there are many candidate materials

[ornate hollow]

is these already edited?

[sonic canopy]

yes

[tribal trail]

Why won't you just change water mer 💀

Make it rough and that's it

What are you talking about? Mer is determining roughness and emissivness

If you make water super rough then it won't have any reflections

And mer is not working at close distance, mer is always working

Also you know you can turn off reflections in settings?

There is a slider for reflections there

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

Ofc it doesn't

But it won't have reflections

So you should get same fps

[earnest sierra]

^ Deferred using Vanilla Reforged pack

[quasi trench]

weirdddd

guess i might go 75%

unless manually doing 99% in files works

[pale urchin]

Could that be why there were short reflections in some of the vibrant visuals screenshots?

[wintry sigil]

yes most likely

[pale urchin]

Sounds to me like the SSR's path tracing algorithm is resolution dependent

[long ruin]

[quasi trench]

taking this time to also highlight the point light shadow quality bug we have

the shadows here are noticeably higher quality and not pixelated

vs here

[ornate hollow]

aw man

i thought woo

how?

in latest preview

[long ruin]

I think the previous way they had it had a bunch of issues

[ornate hollow]

also very lag after 1.21.60.28

[quasi trench]

u can see the preview versions in the ss

[ornate hollow]

i know

yes

[quasi trench]

well yes but the quality went down

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1191970949906575481/1354707165147037766/image.png?ex=67e644dd&is=67e4f35d&hm=047e110a00bce5536c295d663d65aef217acd570c17d23d3723ee448f6319d09&

[ornate hollow]

!!!

it maybe an option

smooth point light shadow

and pixelate point light shadow

for vibrant visuals

[quasi trench]

they made improvements since then

but with new features it’s harder to run

[ornate hollow]

what feature?

[quasi trench]

in general across the updates

[ornate hollow]

G

[white willow]

There was an issue with filtering iirc, causing circles

[long ruin]

Yeah

[ornate hollow]

ohh

yes

the issue also blocked light source can't emit light than 4 blocks

[daring jewel]

After that was fixed the issue where the point light shadows are like way too sharp and pointed came along

[white willow]

Yea this was mentioned in a changelog though so

They said that they won't be smooth while they figure out things

[quasi trench]

i hope it’s cooking

[white willow]

Reworking my lighting. Also majorly updating fog

I also finally figured out what was causing my sun to be a complete flashbang

[vague shoal]

Finally

[white willow]

the way the sun texture is illuminated is a little weird

i think that should get reduced for sure

[tribal trail]

my take for vanilla caustics

[white willow]

i like that

mine are a little too bright atm

but thats an easy fix

[tribal trail]

I would say that your are too dark tbh

[white willow]

they are dark on non sand blocks

but on sand they are blinding

[soft cliff]

🆒

lol

[quasi trench]

someone just let this guy play HAL shaders at this point

[pale urchin]

some HAL shaders come with caustics 😛

[quasi trench]

never knew that hm

wonder what the best HAL shader was

[long ruin]

For me personally, it was probably OSBES shader

[long ruin]

Okay...?

[wintry sigil]

ok

[vague shoal]

Okay yt shorts user 💔🥀

[pale urchin]

Why are you acting like this? In a channel about Minecraft graphics no less

[vague shoal]

Me when I get out of context:

[long ruin]

Fr

[tribal trail]

Lucky people still can have no taste

[wise hinge]

[rocky halo]

Hum guy, Andrew tate mentality and living in Dubaï will not make your life better

[wise hinge]

[rocky halo]

It's impressive how youngers are influencable

[tribal trail]

Fr

[bitter kiln]

Is this satire?

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

I hope

[proud pike]

[wise hinge]

[graceful iron]

[long ruin]

[humble drift]

GLSLPE

[tribal trail]

latest update made my clouds pink 😭

i didn't want them to be pink

at least not that much

[graceful iron]

That’s really pretty

[sonic canopy]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.bambosan.mbloader

Bedrock shader loader for android

[proud pike]

[pale urchin]

Cool

[quasi trench]

it has been born

[leaden stump]

Hi

[wintry sigil]

they've just joined today yes

[tribal trail]

please can anyone tell me if they also have issues with their clouds being very dark after latest preview update?

I made a new fog

old

new

[wise hinge]

I have a same issue too

[ornate hollow]

yes

[tribal trail]

is latest update of the game only that broken for me or others too?

[hollow timber]

wtf lmao

[brave star]

you are telling me the sea grass arent supposed to turn into blast furnaces?

[tribal trail]

😱

[brave star]

nah, but wth is that lol

[tribal trail]

idk

mc after latest preview is so broken

[sonic canopy]

Yeah I've seen similar issues as well, but I thought it was related to crazy graphics add-on stuff that I was doing 🤔

[tribal trail]

thank god!! i was scared something is wrong with my game/pc

[tribal trail]

it's getting worse 😭

[wise hinge]

beautiful

[wise hinge]

pixel shadow

[faint snow]

Korean youtubers playing around with Vibrant Visuals

[white willow]

DoF my beloved

[tribal trail]

can you give link to the video?

[faint snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_3IOPVU-Cw&ab_channel=잠뜰TV

[wise hinge]

Oh they're invited by mojang

[faint snow]

Yes, they also interviewed Agnes

[wise hinge]

Cool.

[quasi trench]

glow lichen grows underwater? never knew that

[vague shoal]

Wished they made nighttime sky blueish instead

Oh well we got plenty of pbr packs to fix that

[pale urchin]

An English translation would've been appreciated

[daring glacier]

Does deffered not work xclipse gpus or am I doing something wrong

S24 fe

[ornate hollow]

bug game

will get fix soon

[white willow]

RT

[wise hinge]

1000000lx theater real

[wise hinge]

1.should the amethyst cluster be a little emissive?

2.and one more question...how to add pbr for sugar cane? I've made a sugar_cane.texture_set.json but it seems to be not working. (/resolved)

[mossy verge]

Use "reeds" instead of "sugar_cane"

[wise hinge]

ohhhh I've never heard of that name
thanks!!!!

[tribal trail]

no... but

it's cute and fun

pixel locked refraction!!!!

we need refraction

maybe not pixel locked

or pixel locked too

[wise hinge]

we need waterfall fix

-# I need bloom intensity control within the resource pack

[ornate hollow]

we need water fix

real fast

vibrant visuals

undewater

flash bang

[civic radish]

Hi people I just want to start makeing deffered shaders do you pro people have advice for me, what pack may I like that I could use as template?

[wintry sigil]

Far from any pro but here is a link going some of the fundamentals mojang has released https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/gettingstarteddeferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

good for basics but if any of the other big people here wanna add to it that'd be very nice

[faint bluff]

Will Vibrant Visuals use the same setup as shown in that guide?

[white willow]

Yes there is a set up sample pack that exists

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[white willow]

Yes it should

[white willow]

This doesn't do everything for you, most of the configs aren't very good, just enough to get you started

[civic radish]

Thank you, QuirkyPlague

[quick nymph]

Have you changed it so the water is nuclear green or do they have to fix that themselves?

[white willow]

I have not fixed that

[quick nymph]

Lol I wonder how long it will take them to notice

[soft cliff]

How did they get it 💀

[white willow]

I'll eventually fix these issues when I decide to update the pack again

[civic radish]

How do I round the moon at midnight?

[sonic canopy]

Anyone else has this on latest preview with rtx?

[tribal trail]

yup

https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCPE/issues/MCPE-194870

[crisp mango]

(MCPE-194870) Most Entities Textures Appear Black With Ray Tracing

Status

To Do (Open)

Resolution

Unresolved

[sonic canopy]

Hmm I sure hope this is not indicative of a larger change in actor materials outside of rtx, because then our currently known shader source might be obsolete which is very bad for shader, add-on and marketplace devs

[quick nymph]

Change the moon_phases texture

[civic radish]

I'll

[quick nymph]

Love the new name 🙂

[wise hinge]

[wise hinge]

Should quartz have sss?

i mean them

[tribal trail]

Nope

[tribal trail]

No sss

[wise hinge]

Oh yeah, that makes sense
Thanks for the info

[ornate hollow]

imagine

NO GLOBAL ILLUMINATION

IN VV

[civic radish]

How it'll look with sss?

[real berry]

FYi - new Blockbench PBR material tutorial: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/useblockbenchtocreatemodelswithtextures?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable

[ornate hollow]

👍

[wise hinge]

Thanks

[wise hinge]

well shadow.json doesn't work atm

direction_increment in water.json too

[ornate hollow]

what is the both config?

[tribal trail]

There is shadow.json?

[wise hinge]

yep

[tribal trail]

It's config in game files or for pack creators?

[wise hinge]

for pack creators

[tribal trail]

How do you know about it?

[wise hinge]

.

https://github.com/microsoft/minecraft-samples/tree/main/deferred_lighting_starter

[ornate hollow]

!!!!

[wise hinge]

drag down the new doc and you will see starter github page

[tribal trail]

Oooh

[ornate hollow]

ohh

pixelate shadow config?

ay

shadow style

blocky style

wow

[wise hinge]

looks like we can choose, maybe.

[ornate hollow]

it is

we can change shadow style

🙀

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

They could add to shadow config things like shadow brightness and shadows color

(◕‿◕✿)

Just saying

Cool idea

[ornate hollow]

shadow color?

[tribal trail]

aajab I'm begging

[wise hinge]

lol

[tribal trail]

Yup

[ornate hollow]

weird

what pack

style

ohh

uh

idk

[wise hinge]

[ornate hollow]

what pack style will use that config?

the end?

[tribal trail]

My pack already use pink shadows

[ornate hollow]

w

[tribal trail]

A lot of packs change shadows color

And it would be much better if it was in shadow config

[wise hinge]

real

[ornate hollow]

yes

{
"format_version": "1.21.80",
"minecraft:shadow_settings": { "shadow_style": "blocky_shadows", "texel_size": 16 }
}

possible

this config is too little

it should have more setting

[daring jewel]

Dam, they added this without even letting us know in the changelog but looks cool

[quick nymph]

The pixelated shadows actually work really well with the minecraft look

[civic radish]

What shader this is?

[wise hinge]

deferred

not shader tho

[civic radish]

Just deffered? I tried the default deffered it didn't look that way

[wise hinge]

The sky, lighting...etc is different from default.
As for the pixelated shadow, I used the material.bin file shared by veka last week.,

[civic radish]

I see

[wise hinge]

[ornate hollow]

i need blocky shadow style for better performance

[bitter cargo]

VV ON

[ornate hollow]

how i can lower light level of light source when use deferred?

[bitter cargo]

is this outdated?

[ornate hollow]

hm

[viscid moth]

i don't think so
it could be true bc minecraft on fire os got discontinued
so there's no renderdragon version that we know off
so opengl version shaders should work

[bitter cargo]

when did they discontinue it?

amazons website says 1.21.71.01

[proud pike]

It may just have the HAL renderer, we already know that they are still maintaining the old renderer in some way as it did pop up accidentally in 1.21.50.01 release build for Android

[civic radish]

I doubt your words, I have friend who removed shadows completely and it did nothing on new versions, he said the water waves update ruined performance, not shadows

[tribal trail]

it won't make performance better

[ornate hollow]

it is

[tribal trail]

you can turn off water shadows

and i don't think they ruin performance much unless it has a lot of octaves

[civic radish]

The water itself reflective and gray nothing helps now, but before I had stable performance

[tribal trail]

😭

[ornate hollow]

GG

[silent zealot]

???

[grim shale]

It seems out-of-date; Fire OS versions are using RenderDragon

[silent zealot]

Thanks Matt.

[silent zealot]

Whats the wiki page?

[bitter cargo]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Shader

[sonic canopy]

Might as well edit out this one

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

new reflections looks cute

pixelated shadows are a bit too harsh for me but it's cool

[white willow]

i wish they had some smoothing

[tribal trail]

new clouds are cute

[tribal trail]

YES

tho they are not the best yet

[vague shoal]

Rtx ahh clouds

[tribal trail]

lightning in new preview is much better

clouds are no longer dark, they look better in reflections, autoexposure is MUCH better

and in general deferred feels better

[ornate hollow]

emissive bug fixed?

[wise hinge]

No.

[sonic canopy]

Seems to be fixed, ty for that!

[ornate hollow]

OH

[vague shoal]

What pack is this

[ornate hollow]

vanilla PBR

[civic radish]

What does "ahh" means?

[vague shoal]

💀

Its a meme

[civic radish]

Seriously? Such a brainrot🥀

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

Vibrant Visuals

My pack :D

i love how much we can customize it and how every pack is different

[civic radish]

To be honest vibrant visuals looks more natural like minecraft and the colors and tonemap matches it

[tribal trail]

true

[pale urchin]

And that's why it's the vanilla graphics

[white willow]

these clouds are so good

cant wait for the customization

[loud pilot]

VV fits vanilla, I prefer non-vanilla

[white willow]

i think the vanilla base pbr needs work. alot of it is rather messy and doesnt give great results.

[wise hinge]

isn't exposure broken in this preview?
when I looked up sky it hurt my eyes...
also night is too bright for me

[pale urchin]

For me night is just right

[white willow]

its been broken for a bit tbh

nighttime is way brighter than i want it to be and its been this way for a few weeks

nothing i try has fixed it

[civic radish]

While Prizma has the tonemap and custom textures, but still I would prefer vibrant v

[tribal trail]

for me it's much better

[white willow]

bloom looks stronger

[tribal trail]

it's finally not dark when i look at sun

[white willow]

its not

hm

[white willow]

id like default vv more if the pbr was a bit better

[tribal trail]

true, some textures are ugly, obsidian pbr is ugly asf

[wise hinge]

they uses generic tonemap

[white willow]

😔

[civic radish]

Just remove normal map

[white willow]

there arent any normals

[tribal trail]

😭

[civic radish]

Then where download?

[white willow]

its built into the vanilla resource pack

[tribal trail]

normalmaps are not the problem 😭

[civic radish]

Where can I see soirce code?

[tribal trail]

transparent textures are not rendered correctly still :c

[still zenith]

Fix incoming 🙏

[white willow]

well theres no source code. but to find it you have to find the versions folder, then go to the data folder, then resourcepacks then experimental_graphics then boom you can see all the vanilla pbr

[vague shoal]

Love it

[tribal trail]

will it include shaodw fix for them and ssr working on them too?

[still zenith]

No, shadows are a different story. 🤔

[tribal trail]

even if not yet it's great that one thing will be fixed

[tribal trail]

oh

oof

[still zenith]

I'm just referring to the opacity

[white willow]

are there any specific reasons why transparents cant cast shadows? is it a performance thing, or something with the shadowmap.

[still zenith]

Basically, anything alpha blended/transparent doesn't cast shadows without special treatment.

[white willow]

interesting

[tribal trail]

oh

thats sad

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows how to make sun rotated by 25 degrees?

[tribal trail]

well will ssr be fixed to work on them?

[still zenith]

It comes down to shadow map techniques. We special cased clouds in our model, but not much else so far.

[white willow]

just improved the daytime sky lighting

[pale urchin]

basic shadow mapping doesn't support transparent objects. A little more needs to be done for that

[pale urchin]

SSR would need transparent objects rendering to the depth buffer

[daring jewel]

snow

[still zenith]

The things that once you know to look for, you find in all sorts of games, and then you can't unsee it. 😀

[pale urchin]

Yeah I'm aware of certain techniques for this.

[white willow]

oh man many of my fogs need a good redo

this is too much

[tribal trail]

:(

[ornate hollow]

RTX CLOUDS!!!

2X FR

[white willow]

rtx clouds without the bugs

[long ruin]

Lmao yeah

[white willow]

i think overall this is a good update

I have my gripes with the vanilla resource pack but i guarantee for most itll be great

[rocky halo]

I already found one with them

inside of them, water is bugged

[daring jewel]

known, after going up a certain height it will go invisible

[white willow]

this isnt tied to clouds

not even near a cloud and water is gone

[rocky halo]

mb and sorry

it's the same altitude lol

inside of clouds should be definitly patched tho

[loud pilot]

what happens if you turn off clouds?

[rocky halo]

it looks so wrong with vibrant visuals

nether fog iss wrong with vanilla pack

[tribal trail]

why

[rocky halo]

well

[pale urchin]

Reload the game

/reload all

[tribal trail]

oof

[rocky halo]

It's "fix" it

Well it shouldn't happen too

Particles don't have emissive

Maybe the known issue

[pale urchin]

Which particles?

[rocky halo]

Every particles that should be emissive

[pale urchin]

Which ones?

Or at least, which ones did you look at?

[rocky halo]

Torch for example

[pale urchin]

Looks emissive to me

[civic radish]

No, try on 1.21.30 and see difference

[pale urchin]

But it could also just be the fact that emission in general has been nerfed hard

[rocky halo]

it's the point light that illuminate the particle

[pale urchin]

I don't have any point lights on. It's just VV

[rocky halo]

you see it clearly here

Ooh cool they didn't forget to make the enderdragon eyes and mouth to glow

[ornate hollow]

i see emissive is fixed

[rocky halo]

Also when you break emissive blocks like sea lantern, particles aren't emissive

[ornate hollow]

np

just emissive block work perfectly is good

[rocky halo]

I prefer something perfect than something good

[ornate hollow]

yes

[dusky lagoon]

This is defferd

[sonic canopy]

No, that's rtx

[white willow]

the vanilla grass mer... is partially metallic

very weird decision

[brave star]

arm is so bright in VV

[long ruin]

-->

[brave star]

even with changing the options

[long ruin]

Looks fine to me

Maybe its a bit brighter

[brave star]

okay

[brave star]

quite a bit.

[vague shoal]

I’m gonna guess when vv releases, all marketplace packs will be required to update their packs to support vv since they’re not supported rn

[silent zealot]

Do you mean resource packs or add-ons? Because add-ons shouldn't interfere.

[vague shoal]

What about realistic biomes

But I mostly mean texture packs

[sonic canopy]

Yeah... supporting advanced vfx with vv is gonna be a pain

[white willow]

i dont think theyd force anyone to support vv

they are probably working on some way to support VV stuff with other packs atm

[sonic canopy]

Either way, you'd probably want your content to be as stable as possible with any graphics mode, and vv adds another compatibility surface that has to be covered

[blazing whale]

RTX cloud without bug

I think bug rtx cloud from gi

[white willow]

its a texture overlap issue as theres zfighting

[vague shoal]

It will definitely make deferred look a lot better tho

[sonic canopy]

Btw, when working on vv compatible vfx it would be incredibly handy to have shader source code back for deferred/vv... Currently known source for actor shaders is an integral part of my workflow when designing material based effects and is used by many other creators as well, and now that vv is one step closer to being stable, I would hope that we will get the source back at some point, so that we can design and support more advanced vfx with vv enabled. A particular use case that I will be working on at some point is evaluating how/whether to support some of the effects from Realistic Biomes marketplace add-on with vv graphics. It would also greatly help with getting very precise and specific visuals from a graphics pack (e.g. knowing the order of color grading operations such that we can fit color grading curves to a specific reference response, or having a sky model code available such that we can implement it in a separate software and port an existing skylight rendering model to VV's keyframe format)

@still zenith just wanted to add this to my feedback about shader source code, as this developer resource is also quite relevant for creating content with VV. If there will be no source code when vv fully releases, at some point, we (the community and MP partners) will likely have to resort to reverse engineering shader code ourselves, which is not a particularly fun exercise.

[true otter]

is it possible to add Northern lights ?

[wintry sigil]

you were the guy talking about andrew tate sigma grindset 😭

[bitter kiln]

I love Andrew taint

[long ruin]

taint 💀

[wintry sigil]

these clouds are RED

[dusky lagoon]

Who is saying vv don't have coloured light

[long ruin]

Without enabling the Render Dragon creator toggle, yeah it's not there

[dusky lagoon]

Ooh

60fps in vv with lowest setting possible

[graceful iron]

finally posted something in this discord, god damn

[dusky lagoon]

Loving bugs

My RGB phone

[sonic canopy]

@silent zealot Would you be able to fix this one? As it implies that deferred allows to have third party shaders in resource packs 😔
Instead, I'd just remove that part completely or just mention that vibrant visuals is an official replacement for custom shaders. There are also technically shaders that work with RD but that is a whole other story and probably one of the reasons why there is a "this section needs expansion" banner

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows how to use cross & dot functions in bgfx?

[silent zealot]

Yeah, its best to discuss it in the mc wiki discord.

[sonic canopy]

Same as with pure glsl https://docs.gl/el3/cross https://docs.gl/el3/dot

[hearty umbra]

can someone help me to get rid of this corner between blocks?

i really want just a pure white expanse under this build but the corner ruins the illusion

this block is used in other places for the same effect too

[vague shoal]

It looks like realistic biomes can work with vibrant visuals/ deferred now https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2EjY1ax/

From the looks of it