Graphics General

[tribal trail]

local exposure is buggy on windows too

but funny is that my super bright sword made screen brighter

[stark harness]

I wonder if the defferd shaders will run at 30 fps or 60

[civic radish]

Install 1.20.30 and better render dragon, play on low settings and game will run 40 fps

[tribal trail]

why would he use old versions?

it's not like they work better

[quasi trench]

i can get the 30fps experience with 4k max settings ps5 pro now

my phone however might not be liking deferred as much

[long ruin]

I finally upgraded to the snapdragon 8 elite :D

[stark harness]

Yeah me to Im on PS5 pro as well it performs 10 - 20 fps better than the Xbox series x

[quasi trench]

its also a rock solid 30

you have to throw a whole lot to shake that down

this is from previous preview

havent tried turning pointlights off yet though

[stark harness]

Do you know how to download the shaders on phone

[quasi trench]

go to yss server for that

[civic radish]

You're very wrong, the first versions worked the best and the didn't have volumetric fogs, water waves, ssr and many more it made performance stable and playable

[tribal trail]

Volumetric fog can be turned off

Same with water waves

Sss doesn't impact performance

And in new version you can turn off point lights so you can get more performance than on older versions

[ornate hollow]

upscaling

and a little optimization

[silent zealot]

I haven't messed with Deferred in a while. It's amazing to see how far it's come.

[quasi trench]

woah super strong

[white willow]

kinda cool feature with the caustics. they read from the roughness map

for direct sunlight stuff

this does however, cause the exposure to go insane

[wise hinge]

Is the light shafts color (or the fog color) get sampled from sun light color?

[tribal trail]

Sun color influence fog color

[wise hinge]

thanks!!

[stark harness]

I wonder why Minecraft preview is locked to 4k on Xbox series x but on PS5 pro it's not

[wintry sigil]

I always use it at 33% res

[ornate canyon]

guys, is it just me, or emissive is somewhat broken?

the glowing deepslate blocks are also meant to glow, and they did before, now they don't...

i just haven't messed with pbr for my blocks in quite some time, did something break?

i found an image, this is what used to look like

[wise hinge]

they just decreased emissive intensity in 1.21.70.25. But it's too much imo

[ornate canyon]

ooooh, so for example, if i had emissive set to 3, i gotta increase it to like, 20 for example?

[wise hinge]

umm nah, we should increase them too much lol

[ornate canyon]

so to like, 150?😭

[wise hinge]

yep, for now.
But they will fix it. hopefully

[ornate canyon]

hopefully

but gosh, now i have to do it for dozens of blocks, since i'm about to release the update

https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner2049-ryan-gosling-gif-24048514

and then change it again if they fix it...

[wise hinge]

well yeah but keeping them as is (or setting them under 150-200?) will not be waste of time

[white willow]

This still does nothing

It'll look more like it's glowing but nothing like before

It's a bit of a mix of the new exposure and the emissive changes that just make emissives do nothing

[ornate canyon]

okie, thank you for info!

[ornate canyon]

glowing caves

papylloume forest

i'm also using poggy's ld

i wish custom blocks supported point lights

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

Enforced minimum Android and iOS requirements for devices running the Deferred Technical Preview for maintained performance, stability, and visuals moving forward. For Android, a Adreno 640, Mali-G68, Mali-G77, or Xclipse 530 GPU or higher is required. On iOS devices, an A12 or M1 or higher device is required

dang mobile device requirements

[real berry]

Sorry - but necessary.

[long ruin]

I had a 640 on my last phone

[white willow]

yea no perfectly understandable

[long ruin]

yeah, i was getting like 30 fps at around 720p on the 640

[quasi trench]

a12 is iphone xs or xs max

my old phone actually

[white willow]

none of my devices are affected but some might be

rip powerVR lol

[quasi trench]

yeahhh its gone now

[white willow]

but to be fair, they arent very strong to begin with

[quasi trench]

my 15 pro max runs max deferred at 9fps at most

used to be 13

before that 17

[long ruin]

I have like 90 fps at medium-high settings

at 1440p

[wise hinge]

[long ruin]

snapdragon 8 elite

gets hot though

[quasi trench]

i heard the 16 version runs deferred super well

not sure whats giving me a hard time

ig i did give myself 24 chunks instead of the 12 or 16 “cap” they give on mobile but it can’t be that

[white willow]

ngl, its because the IP 15 was oversold as a gaming phone

its really not

the 16 is what the 15 was trying to be

[quasi trench]

that’s true i havent seen RT on my phone yet at all lol

[white willow]

its not even a thing on 16 yet

i bet you the only things that will be able to use that RT is the M4 ipad

[quasi trench]

yep thats what its chalking up to be probably

[long ruin]

I ran some benchmarks on the 8 elite for ray tracing, I got around 15 fps

[white willow]

and even then i doubt the RT will be even close to whats capable on pc

im playing the new HL2 RTX and this is insane

[long ruin]

oh yeah, I forgot about that

I gotta check it out

[white willow]

mobile will have ALOT of catching up to do to even get close to pc

especially without turning it into an air fryer

[quasi trench]

haha yeah this is a big reason

[white willow]

mobile wont get raytracing anytime soon because of temp control

just because they can now do it, doesnt mean they should

"minecraft rtx on mobile when. my phone can do it"

no it cant lol

[quasi trench]

lololok

[white willow]

youll have a pizza brick oven in your hand in half a second

and even then MCRTX is FULLY path traced

its not hybrid rendered

mobile devices arent at the level to do that yet

[quasi trench]

-1000fps

[white willow]

mobile devices could maybe do it with a hybrid rt approach

[quasi trench]

yeah that’s what was in my mind

probably not everything rt though

[white willow]

but since mcrtx is fully path traced, key word here PATH TRACED, its not happening

mobile phones can run seus ptgi, but ptgi is hybrid rendered. its a mix of raster and pt. and also runs at half resolution

i have not seen a good screenshot of Seus PTGI running on a phone. its always been a low resolution mess for 12fps or less lmao

[quasi trench]

thats interesting actually i never knew that

does it even make a good screenshot

[white willow]

nope

cuz you cant really tell what youre looking at because its so blurry

[quasi trench]

path traced pixels

[white willow]

at that res path tracing is just noise lmao

mobile devices can for sure do simple raytracing without any issues. You could probably get GI going if youre lucky

[quasi trench]

so if someone ever makes a rt shader on mobile im here for it

[white willow]

lol

definitely wont happen for mc because you literally cant enable it on mobile no matter what atm

there might be some funky linux trick but idk

[wintry sigil]

hey plagued you should implement raytracing on xbox since I know that's totally possible for you to do 🙏

[white willow]

ahahaha

no

even then not possible regardless

[quasi trench]

we’d need a time machine to even run it again

[white willow]

theres a platform restriction on the raytracing toggle

i also know nothing about actually implementing raytracing. thats well above my knowledge level

[quasi trench]

take a stencil and trace some rays

[white willow]

true

[wintry sigil]

Xbox had code to be able to run it a while ago but they axed it like instantly and backtracked

it didn't run badly either

[white willow]

to be fair, RTX did not have a dev team by that point iirc. it was never intended to release on console because the actual release of RTX is a buggy and broken mess

when they initially said rtx would be on console, it was in active development and i dont think development was relatively shaky yet. it was likely still very stable

then everything fell apart and we have what we have now. a buggy and really bad raytracing mess

which is unfortunate. really unfortunate

I will hold out some hope for the future of rtx even if its a lost hope, but I love it and theres so much potential for it to be great

[quasi trench]

maybe after deferred is finished

[white willow]

maybe but i feel like deferred will always be in dev

they said in the qna a year ago that their focus right now is on cross platform features

console and PC could definitely get exclusive or better features in the future

rn its all catered to device parity

[quasi trench]

mc rtx for ps6 and new xbox would be cool

[ornate hollow]

may only new xbox

[sonic canopy]

Curious if it has to do with performance or a particular feature that's only supported on specific devices

[vague shoal]

Probably for optimization

[quasi trench]

performance has once again improved slightly

1fps boost on maximum settings on my phone

runs about 18-22fps on maximum settings with 33% res

once again turning down settings barely helps my fps, even pointlights off

halving my render to 12 or using bilinear got me the most, like 5fps each

also my phone was throttled

[white willow]

thats very odd considering my phone im p sure runs better then

and i have a 13 pro

[quasi trench]

rlly? which is your iphone

that’s so weird

[white willow]

i run like medium high and get around 40 at 50% res

[quasi trench]

hmmm

[white willow]

havent tested since point lights can be disabled

[quasi trench]

ig ill screenshot my settings and maybe we can see what’s going on with a comparison

maybe my phone is botched, i did get it like in early October after release day

[white willow]

oh im on 6 chunks

lemme turn it up

Averaging 35 with point lights off at max 12 chunks (my device falls under the low hardware tier)

same settings as above

[white willow]

to be honest... just dlss 4 natively with ray reconstruction would make me happy

[quasi trench]

screen animations are off here

oop i forgot to turn pointlight back to ultra

[white willow]

try my settings

[quasi trench]

ok ill try yours and see

i turned it to ultra in this one

yeahh my phone is botched

unless yours hadn’t actually throttled yet in your ss then its not good results at all

[quasi trench]

oh wait are your pointlights turned off here

pfft ok i turned them off here and its the same

ill look into seeing how to properly benchmark my phone and if its not having comparable results then that clarifies the issue

[white willow]

yea point lights are off

[white willow]

i let it run for a bit

[white willow]

we should not be getting the same perf though

[quasi trench]

well shoot

downloading geekbench and gonna see what happens

[proud pike]

that’s weird, im getting about 100 to 120 fps on my S23 (8 Gen2)

[long ruin]

I'll have to check my settings and res soon

[proud pike]

HL2RTX struggles to hit 30 fps on a 3060Ti (minimum spec), that puts into perspective how far away pc gaming is from mobiles atm

[white willow]

yep

im chillin on my 4070S but like

i think the 3060Tis issue here might just be vram

[proud pike]

its the minimum spec from the devs so…

and yeah 8GB probably isn’t enough

[white willow]

theyve implemented some dyanimc texture system that will reduce quality based on vram usage

but it doesnt seem to do a whole lot

i mean im using nearly 10gb with just 4 light bounces

[proud pike]

Moment

[quasi trench]

ok so apparently my phone is slightly better than the average iphone 15 pro max, with my phone being in use since september 29th

makes no sense with deferred performance being the same as 13 pro

maybe there’s some dumb setting i messed up at some point

[proud pike]

geekbench?

[quasi trench]

ye

[proud pike]

will try

i tried antutu a few days ago

Got this on my ipad

[white willow]

it does seem to be a little goofy though cuz it says i only have 10gb of vram

[proud pike]

yeah that was an issue with the the 8GB on the 3060Ti too, it showed up in game as 7100MB of vram

[white willow]

it is cool though that they are revisiting the Froxel fog system they made for MCRTX

its like a far better version than that one though

also the ray traced subsurface scattering is insane

im down to yap about it in my server since this is a bit offtopic

[vague shoal]

This will probably make developing deferred a little easier now cause they don’t have to worry about those certain devices anymore

They can optimize the devices that can actually handle deferred

[proud pike]

Geekbench

[vague shoal]

Idk how they’re gonna bring it to switch tho

[proud pike]

switch 2 only probs

[vague shoal]

Renderer files says otherwise

But that could change

[proud pike]

they can always switch focus

[white willow]

the source engine metal clang sound is so silly

[proud pike]

they would have a much easier time with new switch

[proud pike]

its the og metal sound effect

[white willow]

yep

[quasi trench]

[quasi trench]

i tried the settings again after a reinstall but it only very slightly improved, on the order of 1fps

granted the savanna had a bit of hills but idk

maximum settings however improved

almost 12 fps now

instead of mid 9fps

also prizma made me use regular normals grr

[tribal trail]

You can switch to heightmaps

[quasi trench]

i know but the default mode change got me good

[civic radish]

Can someone help to fix the sun bug and moon where they on close disatnces and the sky doesn't have this purple curve and looks different from old version

old:

new:

[quasi trench]

prizma with barebones

[long ruin]

Here's my settings and FPS at 100% resolution

This is 75% resolution

[faint snow]

My sister has the s25 ultra im so jealous

[sonic canopy]

👀

@silent zealot you missed a new material!

I have to double check it but it looks like a bunch of new materials have been added. Unless I'm just seeing things, without the ability to properly diff shader source code

[sonic canopy]

The following materials seem to be new

• DeferredTiledMixedRes
• FSR1
• HiZAmbientDownSample
• HiZDownSample

fsr for deferred would be mega epic

[wise hinge]

[pale urchin]

What does HiZ mean though? 🤔

[sonic canopy]

I know it as an acceleration structure/method for SSR. You generate mip levels with a value of Z that is either the lowest or the highest out of 4 texels of the previous level. Basically it's like a 2d version of an octree, but for screen space tracing

[vague shoal]

What is fsr again?

[sonic canopy]

Upscaler from AMD, similar to DLSS from Nvidia, except it's open source and can run on any hardware, and not just on AMD GPUs

[white willow]

Unless we count FSR 4 which is exclusive to the 9070/9070XT (for now apparently they want to try and move it to the 7000 series)

[quasi trench]

fsr probably wont be too hard for mc

[silent zealot]

Ngl...I screenshotted it...I just forgot to post it lol.

[long ruin]

FSR

[ornate hollow]

🔥 🔥

[harsh iris]

-# Mojang should do something about buttons covering information

[tribal trail]

no if it's fsr 1

would be cool to have xess and dlss too

[hollow timber]

a Quadtree

[white willow]

Yes FSR 1 is doodoo. FSR 3.1 is alright.

I'd honestly take TAAU over FSR 1

FSR 4 from what I understand is quite close to DLSS CNN model

But like if deferred got DLSS 4 support mmm that would be incredible

[white willow]

But with that being exclusive to one gpu, not worth implementing at this time

[civic radish]

Can somone help me to fix the sky and sun bug?

[proud pike]

FSR 1 is basically a glorified sharpening filter, I hope it's not that.

[sonic canopy]

That was a close call. If they raise requirements one more time, I'll have to look for a new phone

[proud pike]

Real close

[faint snow]

How do you guys think deferred rendering compares to shaders on java edition?

Complementary Reimagined for example

[proud pike]

Barely getting there compared to some old java shaders

[faint snow]

Doesnt deferred already have features not a lot of java shadres have

such as colored lighting

[long ruin]

Some modern shaders have colored floodlight

For java

[faint snow]

yes like rethinking voxels

[long ruin]

Regular complementary has it too

Photon Shaders

Bliss

You can see them using Modrinths filter

[ornate hollow]

minimum for android: Adreno 640, Mali-G68, Mali-G77, or Xclipse 530 GPU

aajabrams

GG

meet minimum but can't

[civic radish]

Why people use prizma if it's overrated, oversaturated and overral there's more options out there, but people seem started use this pack as trend now🤦‍♂️

[ornate hollow]

sh

hhhhhh

everyne love tis pack

[long ruin]

Because people are entitled to opinions and they choose what packs they like

[ornate hollow]

and don't blame the pack

[long ruin]

I personally think it's a great pack honestly

I don't see it being oversaturated

So it might be something to do with your display or settings

[ornate hollow]

honestly

i didn't found anyone say prizma deferred it's overrated, oversaturated

[long ruin]

Me neither

[ornate hollow]

yes

me too

[tribal trail]

Huh?

Oversaturated?

Can't say for overrated because I'm biased as a creator of it

But I can't agree with it being oversaturated

Some people use my pack because it gained some popularity, but I think it deserves it (tho as I say I'm biased for obvious reasons). I work on it a lot 😅

[ornate hollow]

best deferred ack

[hearty seal]

Prizma is good

[ornate hollow]

Prizma is good

[rocky halo]

I dream of prizma everynight

[civic radish]

Why? Are you saying this just because simping for that profile image of girl or is there a list of reasons you can tell me?

[hearty seal]

I like the style it goes for

It’s different from other vanilla shaders

It’s vibrant and the textures are unique

[proud pike]

Why are you getting butt-hurt over other's preferences, to each their own.

Not everyone is about your "Sigma, no female grindstyle"

[faint snow]

Why’d bro get so pressed 💔

[white willow]

This unironically just made me laugh for no reason

[hearty seal]

Man I just said Prizma is good💔💔

[proud pike]

[vague shoal]

Watch what vu says very closely https://youtu.be/yCTpT7SENuk?t=36

I think it’s time chat

[civic radish]

What are you talking about? i just asked people a question about why it's so popular when there was other popular packs, what so unique about and seconds after that I spammed with different messages defending queen on the throne sayin something as "prizma is good and you stupid sigma", what's wrong with y'all don't you have any other words except for that as person I just asked a simple question and y'all be saying anything just to humiliate me or what

[white willow]

Well let me give you a real answer that's likely the reason why people like prizma. Its lighting is relatively soft on the eyes due to its warmth. A lot of packs chase realism which can be harsh on the eyes sometimes (huge issue I face with my pack and it's really hard to get around). What softens it more is the slight bit of desaturation applied to the scene. It's got a welcoming atmosphere that drags people to it. Al3xis is also a very good PBR texture artist and had a good art style compared to most. Just small things that catch the eye. Other popular packs like vanilla PBR really lack in the PBR department imo and also has really harsh lighting. My packs aren't popular but kinda suck in lighting but excellent in PBR. Prizma just kinda does everything. Poggys luminous dreams kinda falls under the same boat as vanilla PBR except it does a lot better in the lighting department imo

It's all just preference but I'm giving you a more proper answer as to why people may like it over others

[ornate hollow]

you asked stupid question

like

why you guy buy car instead motorcycle

[tribal trail]

you clearly don't want to get answer when you say "are you saying this just because simping for that profile image"

[vague shoal]

I was too excited about what vu said in the video that I completely missed this whole argument 💀

[ornate hollow]

yeah

too much visible bug

[sonic canopy]

I like prizma rtx because of its neon emissive lighting colors. They look quite vibrant and pleasant if used in a shader with decent tone mapper. I don't play with deferred rendering often so I don't really have a preference for deferred pack, but prizma would be on the list of potential options, just because its RTX version looks so good.

[proud pike]

And you got your answers. What compelled you to point out alexis's profile picture and mention people being "simps", my comment about you only based on the facts of your past message history in here, I don't mean to discredit or humiliate you.

[white willow]

i didnt realize how much local exposure actually helped

my shadows now are so dark compared to last update

um disabled point lights and am getting uh... 200 fps? was there more optimizations done?

even in a heavier area

[quasi trench]

might change how you look at minecraft forever?

idk i feel like thats reaching

granted it did have a deferred-like sunset with the graphic but

naw nvm that graphic was reused earlier on in the video

now its back to reaching

probably some sorta spyglass buff

[pale urchin]

Would it make sense to keep the balance how it is until they reenable local exposure?

[white willow]

probably. in my old performance tests i never hit 200

so they definitely did something this preview

only sad thing right now, is a lot of what i worked on last week kinda broke after local exposure got removed

im just not gonna touch anything relating to lightening/darkening shadows because itll be fine again once local exposure gets reintroduced

[tribal trail]

mine are almost the same

[white willow]

well lucky you

[tribal trail]

tho whole exposure change much more now and it looks bad

[white willow]

i had to revamp and change so much stuff just so my nighttime didnt look like daytime and now my daytime shadows are way too dark by comparison

but they were ok with local exposure

[white willow]

ok a simple change fixed it thankfully. if things look off when local exposure is reintroduced then ill just revert this tiny value adjustment

[long ruin]

💀

Nah thats

CRAZY

[rocky halo]

Yes indeed, I love being under the feat of women especially as reward for complementing their six packs

[proud pike]

[civic radish]

What are you even saying?

You're weird

[rocky halo]

I am what you described before and I would love to help every girls in order to have the six packs

If you want I could help you but dm are more appropriated for that

[pale urchin]

tbf, you were the one that brought it up

[bitter kiln]

No, I usually hate women, Alexis is ok though.

[civic radish]

Me? I asked one question can't believe how all of you sensetive to it, by only asking why people use it you all wasted so much time proving me wrong😁

[pale urchin]

All I did was point out a hypocrisy in your statement

[bitter kiln]

Bro is not Cillian Murphy

[pale urchin]

I can't speak for the others responding to you, but your first message was pretty condescending to begin with. Putting down not only the creator, but the users who enjoy their pack.

TLDR; you asked a question, in the worst possible way.

[tribal trail]

i mean.. you just said that my pack is shitty, doesn't deserve recognition and called one person simp because they like it 😬

[bitter kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/joji-h3h3-filthyfrank-reaction-gif-13034878

goated joji reaction

Its funny too because the dude in the foreground was saying that "Men's primal urge to dominate is natural" and "Women should be submissive"
So its very on topic!

[tribal trail]

You can have your own opinion, you don't have to like my pack or even me, but a few people very politely told you why they like my pack/why it might be popular (because you asked for it)

[wise hinge]

[long ruin]

Like at least give some respect to creators, even if you dislike the pack

[vague shoal]

Uhhhhh

That’s an odd thing to say but okay

[bitter kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624661465806405643/1061055231875620954/attachment.gif

[vague shoal]

Buh

[real berry]

These images are incredible. Always love seeing the latest from you!

[tribal trail]

Aww thank you 💖

[white willow]

Casually dropping some BoB entity PBR I've been working on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309167416667934730/1352012326911606845/2025-03-19_16-13-48.mp4?ex=67dc7719&is=67db2599&hm=9f95e2e0ee3da68926eb3693ca013cb344476b90605398ca5220d5614a76d8e2&

[ornate hollow]

will bob have luminous dream for enable deferred?

[white willow]

no

it will require an external pack

[ornate hollow]

😔

[white willow]

bob might get its own deferred configs though

not sure yet

but you wont be able to enable deferred with bob

[ornate hollow]

i see

[ornate hollow]

i see

[ornate hollow]

😢

[white willow]

new normal for quartz bricks. the depth is insane

[silent zealot]

128x128?

[white willow]

yea

im rendering the final block iwth a parralax depth in my program so i can get better edge detection while defining the normal itself

see how the occlusion would look between pixels

[silent zealot]

Nice, only my hay bale uses normal map 128x128

[white willow]

im trying to do something like this for a whole resource pack. its not entirely hard just resource pack size gets to be an issue

especially with entity files for deferred

might just do heightmaps for those cuz its cheaper on storage

[white willow]

full quartz family

[quasi trench]

holy moly

rtx will still be better than deferred thanks to you

and a few others

but mainly you

[stark harness]

Is the defferd going to release this year

[iron moon]

Yes, july 28th

[stark harness]

Is it confirmed that it's coming out July 28

[iron moon]

No

[long ruin]

[gaunt sparrow]

wow awsome

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/trippy-lets-party-drunk-gif-13730846

[wise hinge]

[civic radish]

What is that?

[sonic canopy]

Rtx shader

[ornate hollow]

fr

real RTX shader

[tribal trail]

deferred 🔛 🔝

[civic radish]

But RtxStub is encrypted there's no way it can be customized

[sonic canopy]

If it was impossible, betterrtx wouldn't exist. There is a way https://github.com/veka0/mcrtx-shader-template although it requires you to write all shader code from scratch rather than modifying proprietary nvidias code

[civic radish]

Interesting so BetterRtx used your code?

[proud pike]

No

[sonic canopy]

No, they sorta decompiled vanilla BRTX. However, because the original rtx code is owned by nvidia, they can't release it to the public, so that means rtx modding is inaccessible to the general community of shader devs. That's why I made that template, it is fully written from scratch, with no nvidias code, which means it can be used by other devs to freely make open source shaders. And I used that same template to start working on a new rtx shader that you saw on that screenshot, which fully rewrites MCRTX from scratch.

If there is a will, there is a way. However, modifying vanilla MCRTX code is complicated by the complexity of decompilation and legality of distributing copyrighted implementation, that's why I didn't mention this as an option. 99.99% of shader devs would want to make a brand new shader rather than trying to work with decompiled brtx.

[civic radish]

That's cool, but as another question, how to make the compiled shader size smaller as I compile the code repeats tens of times making material file being large

[sonic canopy]

That's just how it works with bedrock. You can try targeting less platforms. If the main size comes from android essl310 code, one option (besides simply not compiling for essl310) would be to use spirv toolchain optimisation (compile glsl to spirv, optimise spirv, decompile back to glsl), which is what vanilla game now uses for all materials and is also the reason why we no longer have readable source code. However you'll have to implement that yourself, as neither lazurite nor shaderc currently supports optimisation of essl310 code.

[civic radish]

The reason I'm asking because I want to remove the water reflections for 1.21.20+ as it heats my device too much but as I compile the file is filled with repeated code, additional question is there a way to encrypt the material or make it unobfuscated meaning no variable names changed?

[white willow]

You can easily remove water reflection without all that hassle

Just modify the resource pack and set the blue channel of the water MER texture to white

[ornate hollow]

pin

[sonic canopy]

So you just don't want to obfuscate your compiled glsl code? Such that instead of _123 it will keep its original variable names and code structure?

[tribal trail]

Just turn off ssr in settings?

[sonic canopy]

aaj is online today 👀

[quasi trench]

woah

it is true 😈

i mean mc live brings everyone to the table buttttt…

[wise hinge]

[proud pike]

[white willow]

blender tonemap (AgX) in RTX

[pale urchin]

That definitely looks like blender cycles

[long ruin]

Fr

[pale urchin]

I'm surprised how distinct it is

[white willow]

i added all 3 variations of it, default punchy and golden

default is a bit too desaturated imo

but its super realistic

[pale urchin]

This image especially looks like a blender cycles render

[white willow]

default AgX. the ones above are using the punchy variation which is a bit mroe saturated

[white willow]

fr

i implemented this into my shader and wanted to try to port it over

it works alot better in RT than mine

blenderRTX lol

[earnest sierra]

I almost got fooled by this

It looks like a real building 😭

[white willow]

im telling you, AgX is incredible

stupidly complex and unfriendly tonemapper, but it looks insane

i mean AgX is literally built for path tracing so im not surprised it handles itself well. theres near 0 issues with exposure too.

[earnest sierra]

I like how that looks

[white willow]

idk im just in love with this

[silent zealot]

So we all using the same world to test our packs huh?

[white willow]

le_ultimate_rtx is a fantastic world lol

[sonic canopy]

Yup

[white willow]

my diffuse paper white illuminance might be a little too low for AgX but even then it still looks insane

ok yea. increased the thing i just mentioned and increased the intensity of the sun looks a lot better

Sponza palace test

[vague shoal]

“How you look at Minecraft forever” is getting to me rn

[tribal trail]

😈

[vague shoal]

even veka knows something is up

[rocky halo]

it's the day of minecraft live and Saturday so it's logical

[vague shoal]

Nooo your ruining my copium

☹️

[civic radish]

Exactly

[sonic canopy]

One of the shaderc parameters might be able to do that

[wise hinge]

[pale urchin]

@vague shoal

@vague shoal

[wintry sigil]

THEY ARE ANNOUNCED?

[wise hinge]

is that deferred...??

[sonic canopy]

oof I'm 10 mins behind

[wintry sigil]

some very familar looking caustics

[wise hinge]

and clouds...👀

[white willow]

aparently so

[wintry sigil]

those clouds actually look so tasty

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

where is this version for us 😭

[wintry sigil]

it embraces the pixel look so much more

[tribal trail]

SHOW ME

I can't see now

Not in home

[faint snow]

So vibrant visuals = deferred rendering?

[tribal trail]

Please. 😭

[faint snow]

and its also coming to java?

[vague shoal]

YES

[vague shoal]

Somehow it is

[tribal trail]

How

0.o

[vague shoal]

LOOK AT CLOUDS

[white willow]

it seems very sdgp

[tribal trail]

They looked like rtx clouds 😭

[white willow]

oh man the water is still so rough

[vague shoal]

They’re probably gonna be more customizable

In pbr packs

[long ruin]

vibrant visuals sounds so much better than deferred

[tribal trail]

Not true

It sounds cheap

[white willow]

to be fair deferred is just a technical name

[tribal trail]

I don't like it

[long ruin]

at least imo

[tribal trail]

But I like it :<

[long ruin]

#1260604094205399173 message

[wintry sigil]

ok but its not attention catching

[wise hinge]

Yesssssss!!!!!!

[graceful iron]

Dev Build deferred is incredibly hot

[white willow]

its still insane its gonna be on java at some point

[long ruin]

Fr

[white willow]

cant wait for java players to whine and complain that their custom shaders are miles better

[wintry sigil]

Java does NOT need it leave them alone 🙏

[white willow]

its gonna be insane

[long ruin]

parity I suppose

[faint snow]

okay its good that Java players are getting vanilla shaders as well

still a bit salty about them taking away bedrock features though

to make it equal to Java

[tribal trail]

Wait

That means brtx pbr format is gonna be in java

:]

[white willow]

likely

[graceful iron]

Probably

[tribal trail]

😼

[graceful iron]

Oh wait that’s really good for us

[tribal trail]

Prizma for java is gonna be awesome

🥰

[graceful iron]

real

Now is probably a good time for me to get back into deferred lol

[wise hinge]

can't wait to see drdog's deferred pack

[wintry sigil]

does "next coming months" basically mean this year

[tribal trail]

fr fr

[white willow]

idk im gonna wait till VV is in preview tbh

not touching anything

[graceful iron]

Same

but once the next major push comes out I’ll probably start then

Deferred releasing in just a couple months seems crazy tho

[tribal trail]

Omg

Aajab

Hii

[graceful iron]

hiii aajab

[vague shoal]

I’m so excited

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

VV looks a lot like sdgp did 😏

[long ruin]

fr

[vague shoal]

So now we’re calling it VV

[white willow]

pixel locked shadows is sick

[sonic canopy]

So... "available in the coming months" guess we don't have to wait long

[graceful iron]

I hope they add pixel locked reflections

[white willow]

imagine pixel locked shadows with PCSS shadows 😏

[vague shoal]

Imagine it’s gonna be this summer

[white willow]

that is confirmed

[graceful iron]

YAYAYAYAYAY

[long ruin]

lol you were mentioned as "Expert Chefs" in the YSS server

[tribal trail]

How can I beat render dragon? (ง'̀-'́)ง /j

[vague shoal]

lol

[white willow]

alright wrap it up. rtx revival now /hj

[graceful iron]

Every time a Mojang employee sends a very basic image I have the urge to believe it means something

[wise hinge]

can't wait to heat my ipad

[long ruin]

xd

[white willow]

real

[wintry sigil]

aura farming

[tribal trail]

Same

[graceful iron]

time to check the meta data of that image

yippee

[white willow]

dragon4K.png

[long ruin]

Dragon_4K

[white willow]

theres likely no hidden message

[long ruin]

yeah, i tried adjusting light balance and contrast, etc

[white willow]

its also an indexed image so theres very likely nothing. just renderdragon

[graceful iron]

The real question is why he has a 4k image of the render dragon logo

[long ruin]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-vibrant-visuals

[white willow]

i think underwater cannot release like that though....

[tribal trail]

Who doesn't?

[white willow]

underwater is NOT good

[graceful iron]

True

at least compared to RTX and most Java shaders

[white willow]

unless those are just screenshots from our packs

[tribal trail]

I hope they'll add asap before release

[wintry sigil]

vibrant visuals next beta

preview

[white willow]

hopefully

i wanna get my hand s on this

[vague shoal]

So deferred is releasing on select devices

[white willow]

the clodus dont appear to be volumetric

it looks like subsurface scattering

[wintry sigil]

for better or worse

[graceful iron]

Yes

[white willow]

definitely nicer on performance

[white willow]

well yea. we got official mobile requirements

but itll likely relese on console and pc first

[vague shoal]

Buh

[white willow]

and possibly the better phones

[graceful iron]

It’ll probably release on most modern phones made in the past 2-4 years

[vague shoal]

It should release on the devices that are already supported

[graceful iron]

I think the iPhone 13 or 14 is the minimum in terms of apple devices

Not sure about android

Android phones are an entirely different breed of weird specs

[proud pike]

So as these vibrant visuals are gonna be making their way to java as well, are we gonna see the introduction of Render Dragon on Java too?

[proud pike]

A12 is the minimum

Far below the iphone 13's A15

[graceful iron]

Maybe?

[vague shoal]

I have iPhone SE with a15

So I’m good

[proud pike]

I have an iPhone 14 with the full fat A15

[white willow]

either that or its gonna be a GLSL version

so based on the internal openGL version

[proud pike]

Which would be incredibly strange, working on this entire renderer again

[graceful iron]

I don’t think they are gonna add Render Dragon for Minecraft Java

[white willow]

well iirc they dont wanna remove the current pipelines from java

[graceful iron]

It will destroy the entire Java shader community for a moment

[white willow]

the outrage would be unreal

[proud pike]

If they are gonna do that, we are so cooked

[graceful iron]

and it will destroy a good chunk of the Java modding community too

[long ruin]

Yeah

[proud pike]

Probably a majority

[white willow]

im calling it righ tnow

VV is gonna get DESTROYED by the java fans

[graceful iron]

absolutely

[white willow]

its awesome it will be on java though

[proud pike]

Very definitely

[pale urchin]

ye

[white willow]

but its gonna get absolutely owned. people are gonna call it hot garbage because their custom shader looks way better

[proud pike]

OMG no more "Deferred next year!1!1!"

[graceful iron]

unless they really try to push VV to the max for Java specifically, it’s not gonna get anywhere close to external Java shaders

VV on Java will have to not look like VV on bedrock

[proud pike]

That won't happen

Their ultimate goal would be parity

[graceful iron]

yeah

[white willow]

either that or by that point VV will get massive changes on bedrock for specific platforms

imagine raytracing on pc and consoles

its perfectly possible to happen

[graceful iron]

I think that’s a 50/50

[wintry sigil]

please

[graceful iron]

I see it happening but I see it not happening as well

[daring jewel]

yea

[proud pike]

I doubt they will ever work on brtx again

They have no real reason to

When deferred exists

[white willow]

well.. see... it doesnt HAVE to be brtx

[proud pike]

[graceful iron]

BPT?

[white willow]

raytracing built off the deferred pipeline

[proud pike]

That would be quite something

[graceful iron]

That would be interesting

[proud pike]

I doubt it'll happen but that would be amazing

[white willow]

i think brtx should die and something new should take its place. path tracing of course

brtx is special but if they create something super stylized WITH PATH TRACING to replace it im fine with it

[daring jewel]

but agian the majority will not be able to use it and that is what they will think while VV can

[proud pike]

The entire existence of brtx alienates a very big majority of the bedrock playerbase, being mobile players. They have no reason to ever work on any form of path tracing as the hardware for mobile devices simply isn't there

[vague shoal]

Only thing left that need to be fixed in deferred before it releases is fix the particle dark screen problem so it can be compatible with realism craft and realistic biomes

[white willow]

well yes. but theres nothing stopping them from redoing it for the consoles and pc

since consoles to make up a large part of the playerbase and they can do it

let me cope

😭

[proud pike]

They would still need some sort of incentive to do so, like they had nvidia for the initial implementation of RTX

[proud pike]

[white willow]

all the console players that have been wanting rtx on it for so long

[wintry sigil]

people love the pixel locked shadows approach

[proud pike]

They are gonna get VV

[white willow]

personalyl i hope its a toggle

[wise hinge]

vv

[proud pike]

And they are probably gonna be happy with that

[white willow]

pixel locked shadows and reflections are amazing for sure, but if its resource pack side, it would be nice to have the option. if its an in game setting even better

would also be cool to see better soft shadow methods in the future

[vague shoal]

New clips of vibrant visuals in this video https://youtu.be/gkUrYBbPOVI?si=COUp74Ck42d-HqB6

[white willow]

PCSS for point lights would go crazy

[pale urchin]

There's an interesting lack of point lights in the showcases

[white willow]

yea

colored floodfill 😏

[proud pike]

That straight up looks like a better implementation of Deferred

Who knows, that might be the java version of VV we are watching

[white willow]

im not gonna say too much more on VV until we have it in our hands

but it definitely looks like what deferred should be

[sonic canopy]

Edge highlight would've looked so good with the new clouds

[vague shoal]

Nah

[wintry sigil]

waterfall looks good and doesn't scare me anymore

[white willow]

hopefully some improvements come to the caustics system because its not amazing atm

and underwater lighting

from above ground looks great

underwater itself really needs some adjustments

it does look like they fixed lighting for flowing water

[bitter kiln]

Is there a way to improve performance on deferred?

OH WAIT VSYNC!

[white willow]

wait im watching the video IS THE LIGHTING ISSUE WITH WATER FINALLY FIXED

[sonic canopy]

Btw since they only added caustics recently, does that mean they also had to record all clips with it in-between that preview and today? That's a tight deadline, lol

[white willow]

cuz it looks like they go down farther than the current bug out distance

but that water fog is...

yea its not great

reflections look like they have a more proper filter applied to them

unless its still broken

its hard to tell

oh maybe if yt was in 4K and not 480p that would also be helpful

[daring jewel]

seems so and also the fog also seems to be fixed but not sure

[white willow]

the reflections def look better than they do right now

especially the IBL

[daring jewel]

but still blurry

[white willow]

well SSR in the end was likely going to be blurred to some degree

SSR is usually rendered with temporal filtering

[daring jewel]

yea, but to this level, seems like they are trying to match with rtx or soemthing

[white willow]

it may still be bugged in this version to be fair

its really hard to tell

[daring jewel]

yea

[white willow]

because the filtering rn seems WAY to agressive

which might be unintentional idk

[daring jewel]

if compared to how i was in like 1.21.70.22 or something the ssr was crisp

[white willow]

im just hoping we have roughness based SSR before official release

[daring jewel]

well lets see what happens on next tuesday/Wednesday

[vague shoal]

Imagine we will keep getting new features after deferred is released

Probably not

But it’s a chance

[daring jewel]

they will

[bitter kiln]

Its cool to see that particles actually react to lighting

The "castaway" text is just a particle, but I can put blocks in front of it or cast shadows on it

[daring jewel]

you mean the fog

[wintry sigil]

oh that's nice

[bitter kiln]

No idea why my sky looks bugged

I always thought the deferred sky kinda looked dark

[true otter]

they will

[vague shoal]

Oh?

[true otter]

they said that they have some really big plans for deferred in the future

[white willow]

ahaha my game is so broken right now

idek how

[daring jewel]

deferred is a huge thing and they will continue with it

[daring jewel]

huh?

[white willow]

literally i have a resource pack applied and its loading eveything except my pbr files and stuff

[vague shoal]

So that means we can still get waving leaves!!

[white willow]

but its... what... huh. its rendering my pbr for BoB

[daring jewel]

ooo that, that happens, try putting the pack in the global packs

[white willow]

im so confused

[white willow]

it IS in global. i never take it off of global

that soudned agressive

im sorry

[daring jewel]

so wait, entity is pbr works but not blocks

[white willow]

its loading pbr from a different resource pack

[daring jewel]

naa i didnt

[white willow]

but not from mine

o hwait

hold on

its fine now

apparently it was the incorrect resource pack

[daring jewel]

GotCaughtBeingSilly

[white willow]

that water normalmap used in the trailer though was fire

interesting its not making use of the waves feature

at least the pack being used in the trailer

[daring jewel]

if this is their internal build then that looks real nice, when compared to the old screenshots of deferred they shared

[dusky lagoon]

Is any chance of adding volumentric cloud

[daring jewel]

not at the moment but maybe in the future who knows

[dusky lagoon]

Is vv release in this year

[white willow]

very likely that it will

[wintry sigil]

in the next coming months apparently

[daring jewel]

ngl, vv being showcased on live was unexpected but in some ways expected as well

[dusky lagoon]

After vv marketplace addon come alive

[vague shoal]

Copium finally payed off

[white willow]

if the current version of deferred was what they showed off as VV 💀

[wintry sigil]

the shadows are so light in the showcases give me some contrast

[white willow]

thank god the dev build is entirely different

i dont wanna be that guy but, current deferred is not that good

[daring jewel]

yea, but at the same time the pack we have got are amazing aswell

[dusky lagoon]

Mean they don't show us the defferd in 1.20.80.21 in mc live

[vague shoal]

I can agree

[daring jewel]

its not at its best stage

[daring jewel]

yes

its a internal dev build with features that we dont have right now

[dusky lagoon]

Why iit look great

[white willow]

no not at all. deferred atm is a tech demo

like these reflections are BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[daring jewel]

the devs can suerly cook, looking at the huge differnce to the initail reveal of rtx to the final release we will see a huge improvement in quality

[white willow]

i would also love for some day to see this elaborate wave system be used as a way of generating caustics

[dusky lagoon]

What if the make it open source

[white willow]

the old rtx versions... looked way better 💀

[daring jewel]

that will be nice to have

[daring jewel]

is some ways

[white willow]

compare the digital foundry series x demo to what we got

that version looked miles better

[dusky lagoon]

What if they make it open source

[daring jewel]

wdym mean, like the whole pipeline or something else

[white willow]

https://youtu.be/agUPN3R2ckM?si=aMi4niQnwpobZjtJ

[dusky lagoon]

Whole pipline

[white willow]

this looks so much better than the final version of rtx

[true otter]

AND CUSTOM CLOUDS 🗣️🔥💯

yeah

[dusky lagoon]

Whole pipeline

[vague shoal]

YEAH

But the new cloud lighting model will be enough for now

[true otter]

you could say deferred has a great potential

[vague shoal]

Oh yeah it does

But wouldn’t more features cause bad performance

[true otter]

agreed

[white willow]

yes and no

[daring jewel]

having the ability will make for some new stuff

[white willow]

photon shader is jam packed with features and runs well over 160fps on my machine

[vague shoal]

I’m really hoping realistic biomes can be compatible with deferred soon

[daring jewel]

depends on what feature is it but not entirely

[daring jewel]

same

[white willow]

and looks miles better

[dusky lagoon]

@daring jewel if it becomes open source then. Creator make fires

[white willow]

it never will

they locked down custom shaders not that long ago

its incredibly hard to do now

code is now optimzied at compilation

which means getting anything legible out of it is really hard

[vague shoal]

And realism craft

And whatever other realism addons there are

It would go really good with deferred

[white willow]

what should we do about our pack names

should they get renamed

like idk

[daring jewel]

same question

[vague shoal]

“Prizma visuals”

[white willow]

sounds bad

[vague shoal]

“Plagued visuals”

[daring jewel]

yea, nope

[long ruin]

the super duper graphics pack v2

[white willow]

i mean thats what vv is

[long ruin]

yeah

[white willow]

basically

[quasi trench]

idk if its me skipping through and not watching in 4k but vibrant visuals did not like… look as good as like prizma or vanilla reforged

its a base pack though so

wont fault it

[daring jewel]

maybe adding graphics to the end might me good

[white willow]

i disagree. but to each their own

[quasi trench]

the only thing i noticed was the cool clouds

and maybe water bug being fixed but idk if it was deep enough

[white willow]

aside from the very obvious "default visuals" the sky looks better, the clouds are obviously better, the fog looks way less overpowering, the exposure seems a bit better, the reflections look cleaner. it seems like a big upgrade in general

current deferred looks, feels, and performs like a tech demo

[daring jewel]

yea, and seems like they will hits preview on the next update

[quasi trench]

maybe its the textures that hit me

[white willow]

its also doesnt appear to be utilizing the configs

so yea

with some configs itll look way better

if VV is playable on ultra settings its already a win

(on good hardware that shouldnt lag ofc)

[quasi trench]

idk i like the sun fog rn

[daring jewel]

especially on pc

[quasi trench]

when you look at the sun irl its not like clearly visible

[daring jewel]

i get like 30fps

[proud pike]

Let them cook

[daring jewel]

with a 4050

[quasi trench]

it feels like enhanced default fog in vv

which ig might be the point but

[white willow]

i sometimes get 60 on mine lol

[quasi trench]

doesnt feel distinguished

[white willow]

the default pack isnt trying to do anythign fancy

thats the whole point of it

its designed to drive you to use other packs lmao

[sonic canopy]

Also I am very glad that the shortened version of the name is VV 🙃

[quasi trench]

probably yea

[white willow]

they wanna give a base experience for people who dont wanna use a pack but not take away from creators

[white willow]

thats cuz its a total W

[proud pike]

Massive W

[white willow]

still gonna cope so hard for path tracing revists

[vague shoal]

massive?

[white willow]

i will cope till i die

[sonic canopy]

Or... Render Dragon spreading its wings?

[vague shoal]

no way

[quasi trench]

i need clouds like those in vanilla reforged tho

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[white willow]

well itll happen whenever we get VV in preview

[proud pike]

Im gonna wait and see what they do to implement VV into Java

[white willow]

im also ngl im calling it VV cuz i forgot the actual name

im so good at this guys

[proud pike]

Vibrant Visuals

[white willow]

is it vibrant visualks

[sonic canopy]

Veka Veka, don't forget next time

[white willow]

lol

[proud pike]

Ok we calling it Veka Veka now

[vague shoal]

so arc, can we make a deferred release celebration smp now?

[rocky halo]

Imagine renderdragon in java

[proud pike]

🤫

[white willow]

terrible

[quasi trench]

where server

[white willow]

RD is better than their OGL renderer but id personally prefer they remake the game in vulkan ngl

[proud pike]

I'd expect something next month

[vague shoal]

let’s go

[proud pike]

I have been working on something of the sort for a month or two at this point

[vague shoal]

[sonic canopy]

Speaking off, iris dev expressed that they might cancel the mod, depending on what happenes with this whole thing. So Java edition might have its own little "no more shaders" moment, even if temporary

[proud pike]

[white willow]

yea im reading whats being said. it seems like itll come down to if VV makes major changes to the engine that its impossible to continue right

[quasi trench]

how soon is very soon according to aajabrams

when he said vv is coming very soon in yss

[vague shoal]

maybe it will come with summer drop?

or fall drop?

[proud pike]

Lemme forward the message aaja sent in YSS

[quasi trench]

but he said very soon

[silent zealot]

Likely Fall 2025. Deferred is not ready in the next 3 months.

[white willow]

a feature id like to see tbh. if they dont do full SSGI (which i dont reccomend) RSM would be pretty cool

[proud pike]

-Aajabrams in YSS

[white willow]

RSM (reflected shadow maps) iirc isnt super expensive and gives a simulation of GI in some form

[sonic canopy]

™️orrow??? 😱 /j

[proud pike]

[quasi trench]

he tmed me

[daring jewel]

who

[quasi trench]

aajabrams himself

[proud pike]

[quasi trench]

[white willow]

get soon™️ ed

[proud pike]

[daring jewel]

i though you have to have him as a friend to do dms

[vague shoal]

same

[quasi trench]

i didnt watch live

is there an update this next week

[vague shoal]

yep

[quasi trench]

could it be tuesday

[vague shoal]

yes

[proud pike]

I sent him a friend request, hope he accepts ^^

[vague shoal]

what is arctrometa up to

[proud pike]

[quasi trench]

if vv shows up tuesday

[daring jewel]

at one point he friend requests where like close but one day i sent him one when on my phon during the black spot issue and he accepted

[vague shoal]

imagine deferred release smp where we can play with actual devs

[white willow]

Vibrant visuals in 50 years (totally real)

[quasi trench]

im going to mine 100 nether scrap

in one sitting

and show u all the video

[vague shoal]

he dmed me about a crashing problem i was having

[proud pike]

I doubt that would happen, I would totally be up to facilitate that tho

[sonic canopy]

I wonder what will happen with RTX. Theoretically, they could update it as well, to match the new visual aesthetics. Part of me wants it to get updated, but the other part doesn't want to deal with reverse engineering that thing from scratch every update. At least the new PIX APIs might make that process a little easier.

[white willow]

fair

[vague shoal]

maybe they’ll fix some of the bugs and that’s it

[white willow]

rtx based of VV with good sampling, denoising, and a proper tonemap and not whatever the vanilla tonemap is...

DLSS4 and RR

it would be peak

[proud pike]

As far as I see it, RTX is basically abandoned at this point. I don't expect it to get updated, probably ever.

[white willow]

praying for DLSS 4 transformer model in VV

[daring jewel]

they are doing fsr so why not

[proud pike]

We gotta update the "DTP ON" emoji

[white willow]

VV ON

[proud pike]

VV ON

[quasi trench]

wait is the pixel shadows feature basically fixing the shadows not being aligned

[white willow]

well its not a fix

[proud pike]

We WON

[quasi trench]

a fat bandage?

[white willow]

its just locking the shadows to the block pixels for stylized effect

its a stylization tactic

[quasi trench]

oh ok

[white willow]

some java shaders do it

looks pretty cool

heres an example of such. looks great (also edge highlights would be dope)

[white willow]

shadows being "misaligned" is just a problem with shadowmapping in general. you can never truly fix it. its called peter panning

the fix would be raytraced shadows 😏

[proud pike]

Quirky a true shader dev now 🗣️

[quasi trench]

ah ok thats the name

[quasi trench]

it does look nice though hm

[white willow]

i mean ive been learning it rather extensively for a month

[quasi trench]

id probably only want pixel shadows when im using barebones