Graphics General

[proud pike]

/time set 0 and 11900 for me

[tribal trail]

Imo /time set 0 and then /time add -200

Mainly because it's time when sunset is in my pack now but it's good time too

I was actually sleeping when you sent it

But not about deferred :(

[tribal trail]

deferred in 2023 (and yes, i use a version of a game from 2023)

2025

[silent zealot]

🙏 Thank you all so much btw for the time suggestions.

[tribal trail]

2023 (and yes, i use a version of a game from 2023)

2025

2023 (and yes, i use a version of a game from 2023)

2025

2023 (and yes, i use a version of a game from 2023)

2025

[silent zealot]

Any particular chance you can indicate which particular version from 2023 you're using?

[tribal trail]

1.20.30

closest to the first version where deferred was added

[quasi trench]

rtx or deferred?

[unreal venture]

I'd play that at 50% resolution on a phone

Maybe 66%

[quasi trench]

1977x912 ?

hmm is that really just a bit under 1080p

[quasi trench]

prizma x vanilla reforged

my two favorite packs combined into something i love very much

it is still a bit brokey however it could be on my end and/or the packs not being fully 101% developed

[tribal trail]

reflections off

reflections on

I made sky reflections minimal now

[unreal venture]

Yeah, although 720p in my opinion is enough for phones

[wintry sigil]

no way

[tribal trail]

yes way

[wintry sigil]

improved the pack by like 200%

[tribal trail]

yeah

they are still visible but i can live with it

[brave star]

looks way better

[pale urchin]

Cool! How did you do it?

Oh wait. This is old Minecraft isn't it

So I assume you can't do this in the latest version

I see. Impressive nonetheless

[vague shoal]

Better than deferred clouds

[pale urchin]

Debatable ngl

[quasi trench]

Prizma Deferred X Vanilla Reforged Deferred

[gaunt sparrow]

looking good

[quasi trench]

can’t wait for it to look and run even better

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[safe urchin]

Better rtx 1.3 | Prizma rtx Normalmaps mode

[tribal trail]

You should try prizma present too

[proud pike]

Prizma present 🎁

[tribal trail]

Yes

[graceful iron]

I didn’t know the Prizma wood normals were so soft

It’s nice tho lol

[graceful iron]

Pretty

the fog is nice

[tribal trail]

thank youu

[faint snow]

Does your pack have a slight pink tinted fog?

I don’t know if I’m going crazy but it looks pink

[tribal trail]

rtx or deferred

rtx does

[faint snow]

Deferred

[tribal trail]

deferred barely

but id does a little bit

[faint snow]

Okay I’m not going crazy

That’s cool

[white willow]

Ray traced global illumination my beloved

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[gaunt sparrow]

and cool

[rocky halo]

Are better rtx clouds fixed ?

[safe urchin]

i don't know what's broken in it

they look like clouds

[safe urchin]

these are default bugs

it's in both normal rtx and better rtx

[rocky halo]

it's far less problematic than in my memories

[tribal trail]

What are you talking about

This are default Minecraft textures

💀

[proud pike]

They aren't using a shader, it's just regular deferred rendering with their deferred pack

[tribal trail]

It doesn't use orange tonemap

I don't see anything orange in it

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

not good

[tribal trail]

point light shadows are so smooth now

[proud pike]

Pixelated shadows, not bad

[tribal trail]

smooth as that they are not laggy anymore

[proud pike]

Yeah I can see that, I was just commenting on how the shadows looked

I like seeing non-smoothed out shadows

[vague shoal]

Better than deferred clouds atleast

[tribal trail]

How is this better

[vague shoal]

It’s a joke

[tribal trail]

Both are vanilla blocky clou-

Oh

[vague shoal]

They should be fluffy

Like newb

Wait wouldn’t it be cool if you could customize the clouds to be fluffy for blocky

Or more round

[proud pike]

It would be cool but it's not a thing :P

[vague shoal]

Yet*

Remember

[white willow]

the problem is that this isnt meant to be how they look. Its overall kinda jarring next to the softened shadowmaps normally present. I think if the whole thing had pixel shadows it would be cool but it doesnt

[vague shoal]

Finally

Okayish clouds

[tribal trail]

they are still vanilla

[vague shoal]

Ik

But they aren’t completely white like in normal deferred

They also blend in with the night time

[tribal trail]

then prizma 1.3/1.3.1 is for you

[vague shoal]

Instead of being really bright

And not blending in with night time

[tribal trail]

1.2.30

1.3.1

1.2.29

1.3.1

1.2.29

1.3.1

1.2.29

1.3.1

[jagged badge]

While the colors are more rich and the shiny plastic effect is gone, it looks a little underexposed as a result

[tribal trail]

Underexposed? In most cases i was in almost black shadows

I can't expect it to be bright when I'm in a very dark spot

I might make sky a bit brighter

[white willow]

this is neat

looks kinda silly

[wise hinge]

suger donuts

[white willow]

new clouds without the shading

[vague shoal]

that’s not so bad

could be better tho

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[white willow]

Wym by "fix render difand

That's not very helpful

What exactly is wrong with it

[gaunt sparrow]

sorry

[oak thicket]

How did you do it

[white willow]

Modified clouds.png

[gaunt sparrow]

cool

[sonic canopy]

Tried doing motion extraction in a shader

And this here is a glitch effect made by shuffling nearby pixels. Its randomised visuals are fully dependant on non-deterministic GPU thread execution order

[long ruin]

Weird

[white willow]

what does this do

[sonic canopy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSS6yAMZF78

[white willow]

ohhhhhhh thats really cool

[brave star]

woah, this is awesome

[white willow]

no point lights

adding just one point light

-90fps is kinda insane dont you think 😭

(also point light shadow quality doesnt matter. the perf drop is identical. unless they are off, then perf is identical to the first image)

[long ruin]

weird

[white willow]

oh it gets funkier

deferred ALL SETTINGS OFF

BetterRTX. NATIVE 1080p

either i have some weird bottleneck in my system or deferred is that unoptimized 😭

deferred also seems to use a little mroe vram???

[white willow]

ok these tests may not be conclusive, i may just be severely cpu bottlenecked now lmao

[proud pike]

Thats pretty cool

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[gaunt sparrow]

oh buy the way i am also a fan of forza

and minecraft

i play xbox

and pc

[sonic canopy]

I used latest preview and this is a modified RTX shader.

Block side shadow is part of the tint color attribute, however this attribute is also responsible for things like per biome grass and water colors as well as AO. Simplest way would be to divide tint color by its maximum component, however that will also get rid of AO. There is a more complex way which allows you to keep the AO, however it will still use that division trick which means that it may not be able to accurately separate side shading from darker biome tint.

Shaders in the shaders/glsl folder are not functional in modern game versions

[ornate hollow]

hooray hooray

YAY YAY

NOT ONLY ME

🎉 🎉

IT'S ACTUALLY A BUG

mojang need to fix this bug first

it's only thing that make the game not playable

[ornate hollow]

i recommended to place lantern behide point light block

to make point light block have shadow

[ornate hollow]

this will make your full block light better

[tulip mason]

Does anyone know how I can make it so a player can see entities that shine through blocks?

[graceful iron]

yummy

crispy colors

very nice

[blazing whale]

better RTX good optimization

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[ornate hollow]

realistic nether i've ever seen

[white willow]

major overhaul to my deferred pack. completely redid color grading, reworked the sky at all times of day, improved ambient lighting, improved direct sunlight colors at all times of day

also

my custom betterRTX preset

deferred

[white willow]

hey uh is this something that can get looked into. left fairly strong heightmap. right incredibly weak normal. this only occurs on semi tranclucent surfaces like ice and glass

[ornate hollow]

ah yes RTX 4070 super with 46.1 fps

[white willow]

ultra settings moment

[ornate hollow]

not point light?

[white willow]

both

ultra fog and point lights

but yea optimization is definitely needed. i can get 60fps in cyberpunk with path tracing no problem

i know its being optimized though so i will hold out hope

[gaunt sparrow]

looking good

[white willow]

point lights definitely either need some kind of culling or occlussion because this looks funny

but VL point lights is such an underated addition i feel

[tribal trail]

VL point lights are cool but when you don't have much fog it's invisible

wish we could configure how strong VL point lights are and made them stronger/less visible than they are by default

[ornate hollow]

yees

[tribal trail]

new sky

[quasi trench]

prizma deferred 1.3.10.20?

[tribal trail]

Prizma 14.0.30.227 Pro max

[safe urchin]

my laptop gets the same fps with Vsync

[white willow]

I assume normal world though

[safe urchin]

Yes

[white willow]

On this map I can drop as low as about 75

Sometimes 60

[safe urchin]

where to get this map

[white willow]

But in a normal world it's 130+ all the way

[safe urchin]

i wanna see how much i get

[safe urchin]

nice

i get only 125 fps without vsync

in a normal world

[white willow]

Its usually around 140 on average at 1440p with DLSS

[safe urchin]

and around 70 ~ 90 fps with vsync

[white willow]

Without DLSS I average around 70-80 at 1440p

Also silly fps numbers

[white willow]

I'll send later

[safe urchin]

my cpu goes 90°c

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975669020374216734.webp?size=48

[white willow]

Yours overheats, mines too weak lmao

[safe urchin]

also laptop

[white willow]

Yea

[safe urchin]

pc runs colder

[white willow]

I looked up performance charts and a desktop 4070S destroys a laptop 4070 across the board (it should) I'm assuming performance numbers are just close because my cpu ig is not gold enough for this gpu

Unless it's really intense path tracing the gpu is never used to its full potential

[safe urchin]

my cpu is bottlenecked tho

[white willow]

1080p and 1440p deliver the same fps in most cases 😭

Deferred rendering for example. The fps is the same on both resolutions

But this could be due to lack of optimizations and not using the hardware properly

[safe urchin]

deferred feels laggy

[white willow]

Cuz it is

[safe urchin]

also why phones are smoother

the screen i mean

when i get 120 fps in my phone it feels smoother than laptop's 144 fps

[white willow]

Likely better .1% lows

[safe urchin]

or maybe i screwed my laptop's screen settings

[white willow]

Deferred seems to be very cpu intensive for some odd reason

Deferred ran better than RTX on my old build. My new build is the opposite

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows what is the easiest way to decompile, compile render dragon shaders without having much code like in Lazurite tool?

[sonic canopy]

What exactly do you want to achieve?

[ornate hollow]

yes yes

[ornate hollow]

that question i want to ask

[ornate hollow]

for me deferred shading

how to compile

[sonic canopy]

There is no shader source code anymore for latest versions of the game, you'll have to reverse engineer it yourself

[ornate hollow]

ah no

i just want to disable first person shadow

i mean i want only shadow hand on first person like RTX

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[civic radish]

Render Chunk without lightmap or without fog, at least just being able to modify shaders and compile

[gaunt sparrow]

okay

[sonic canopy]

In this case, you have 2 options. If you want to modify shaders for Android and iOS only, you could unpack material.bin files and edit their shader code for each permutation directly. Tho you'll be editing tens of obfuscated files, which is not fun to do at all. Another option is to follow the guide from lazurite docs which walks you step by step through modifying renderchunk https://veka0.github.io/lazurite/guide

Idk why you don't like lazurite, but imo it's currently the easiest option to make shaders

[civic radish]

Lazurite isn't bad tool, I'm confused why in some Render Dragon shaders code looks much cleaner and smaller than after I unpacked

[sonic canopy]

What does it look like for you?

It's possible that you might be unpacking vanilla material bin files for latest version, which now no longer has readable shader source, and instead it's "optimized" (effectively obfuscated)

So unpacking or restoring latest vanilla material bin won't give you any sensible shader code sadly. But renderchunk code hasn't changed since source code removal, so you could just use existing source and it'll work just fine

[sonic canopy]

Also if you're talking about why source code which is provided in mcbe shader codebase repo or in lazurite docs looks so long and complex, it's because it was automatically extracted from vanilla material files. Actual source code that Mojang operates on is modular and sort of looks like that, however there are also some parts which are auto generated on their end, such as the whole main() function. Rendering logic can certainly be simplified a lot of you dedicate some time to it

[civic radish]

Here, there's two files 1st from Render Dragon source code 1.20.60 and restored from 1.21.60.25 is the restored file should look like this or the source code is also can work?

[sonic canopy]

Yeah restored file looks like that because it's from a version with no source code. 1.21.31 was the last version with readable source. For latest known source code, you can use this repo https://github.com/veka0/mcbe-shader-codebase or just look at that lazurite guide that I linked, it has final processed source code for renderchunk that you can just copy and use directly

[civic radish]

Okay, thank you! I'll try your method

[quasi trench]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ql2rb_ZieTo

me love vanilla reforged

[quasi trench]

another note: on ps5 pro the performance seems to be improving

max settings at 50% of 4K is consistently 50-60fps except during framedrops

turning fog to high makes the drops less severe fortunately

they happen during sunset/sunrise or whenever being near water

or for whatever other reason i don’t know

in caves it runs max settings 4K60 ofc, so whenever i go caving i get a treat

it would probably run higher if it weren’t for the 60fps hard cap

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah ray tracing global illuminaton is fun

[quasi trench]

having ray tracing on console would be something yeah but thats just so unlikely

[tribal trail]

@still zenith sorry to bother you but i found I think a bug in deferred pbr, there is a weird artefact with normalmaps (you can see that on the edges of the log)

i tested it with 2 other pbr packs with 16x16 normalmaps and it's the same

[humble drift]

bro just download windows xp

[pale urchin]

Could it be an attempt at self occlusion?

[tribal trail]

idk but it looks very wrong and bad

[wise hinge]

catto

[earnest sierra]

el gato

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

been seeing this myself as well. funny enough its also an issue in java and rtx but seems to be less noticeable

nvm im not really seeing it in rtx

nvm

it does do it in rtx

but it looks less awful

[tribal trail]

You sure it's issue in rtx?

My normalmaps look correct in rtx

[tribal trail]

Without this artefact

[tribal trail]

It's not the same 💀

[white willow]

never said it was

"looks less awful"

[tribal trail]

You just said it's the issue in rtx too and what you showed is completely different

[white willow]

what i showed is very likely what should be happening

[tribal trail]

In rtx normamp disappear at certain angle, in deferred it doesn't disappear, it has artefacts in other edge of the block

[white willow]

this is just one of the many issues with normals in deferred

[tribal trail]

Well the issue is different clearly and rtx one doesn't look like is related to deferred one

[white willow]

well thats something that happened

[brave torrent]

This looks quite normal for deferred technical preview on the PlayStation 4 right?

Now this is gorgeous

[earnest sierra]

oh dear god

[long ruin]

[white willow]

What in the RTX bug

[quick beacon]

Community: "Why is Deferred still experimental and only in preview???"

Deferred:

[white willow]

real

[blazing whale]

Strawberry RT Development 1 (Better RTX)
Texture: Defined PBR

[gaunt sparrow]

cool

[proud pike]

Custom RT shader?

[sonic canopy]

Man I really hope they don't remove RTX any time soon. I'm really starting to enjoy modding it.

[remote tree]

The dichotomy between wanting Mojang's support for new RTX features and hoping they don't change anything so RTX mods are easier to maintain 😢

I don't think it'll get removed, last time I asked devs on the graphics team how support would look like they told me editor mode support for RTX was supposed to be coming eventually

[white willow]

:0

Wait but RTX doesn't have much of anything to edit aside from fog

Realtime fog editing would be great though

Unless they expose some deferred stuff to us for editing like sun color, orbit path and stuff (please)

[sonic canopy]

Maybe they were talking about just making RTX not breakdown completely in editor mode?

Imo there are 2 possible outcomes to RTX, they either spend considerable amount of resources fixing bugs and just overall updating it according to latest graphics innovations. Or, they remove it. Keeping it around in a half dead state just seems like a bad idea (unless they have an agreement with nvidia to keep it) as bugs and technical debt will only keep growing with updates

I ofc hope that they will one day overhaul it and open it up for modding officially. Since RTX is only available on PCs and not on consoles, there is no reason (other than potential legal agreement with nvidia) not to do it. Perhaps in this distant utopian future, we can even be allowed to sell RTX shaderpacks on marketplace... One can only dream

[remote tree]

Really sounds more and more like I should apply to work there and fix it lol

[sonic canopy]

Stop reading my mind

[remote tree]

Their policy for RTX on the marketplace apparently hasn't changed from the start either

I'm willing to bet 99% of people still using RTX in game are sideloading textures instead of just opening up the Marketplace templates every once and a while

[tribal trail]

that sounds possible 😭

[remote tree]

But it still remains policy to only allow RTX compatible worlds to be published there

[long ruin]

I think it would make more sense to develop RTX more since a wider range of people actually own hardware capable of running it then when it first came out

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[blazing whale]

Better RTX preset

[remote tree]

I don't remember you having access to our preset creator tool, did someone on the team give it to you?

[blazing whale]

I tried to join the Beta Preset Creator then a week later at acc

[remote tree]

Nice!

[blazing whale]

On your Better rtx website

[remote tree]

Yeah that's where the tool is hosted lol

[blazing whale]

Ok

[remote tree]

Wait are you saying you didn't get access yet or you did?

[blazing whale]

I have gained access

[remote tree]

Ok good, was a bit confused

We just updated it to compile to version 1.3

No new settings yet but they're coming

[blazing whale]

Thank you for the information

[still zenith]

Oh yeah, you're right. Looks like it might be shadow bias related. Thanks for the pointer!

[quasi trench]

yay another bug fix maybe coming

[white willow]

This will definitely help some pain points with my high res normals

[wise hinge]

Am I the only one seeing this bug? The water_still_grey texture is visible when I look up at the world from underwater.

[white willow]

I've seen this too

[wise hinge]

oh

[quasi trench]

yesss strengthhhhh

[wise hinge]

do you see that in 1.21.60.28 too?

[white willow]

Yep

I saw it a few updates ago actually

[wise hinge]

Thanks for the info!

[sonic canopy]

Working on a custom RTX shader (not realtime; offline renderer)

[proud pike]

Looks great

[wise hinge]

[blazing whale]

Very good, with hardware acceleration?

[earnest sierra]

That looks insane

[sonic canopy]

yes, as this is RTX shader

[blazing whale]

Ok

[graceful iron]

Looks awesome!

[gaunt sparrow]

cool

[odd hemlock]

Wtf

[quasi trench]

[dusky lagoon]

This is awesome any guess Java or bedrock

[faint snow]

Cool skybox

How long that take?

[earnest sierra]

That clearly looks like Bedrock

[graceful iron]

Bedrock lol

[pale urchin]

So how has everyone used the new graphics option in 1.21.70.20 so far?

[white willow]

what new option

[faint snow]

No way 💔

[quick beacon]

It's alright

It does mess with how your water reflects the sky which I guess is normal

[pale urchin]

Speaking of water, SSR looks a little different now

[quick beacon]

I haven't looked much into yet

I'll do so in a bit

[white willow]

yea

the gap filling is better

they also increased the fading distance

it went from 0.3 to 0.75

AND THEY FIXED THE BLOOM ISSUE WITH NORMALS AND TRANSLUCENTS

but broke shadow biasing

[faint snow]

What was the bloom issue

[faint snow]

My eyes

I thought that was just bloom being put very high

[white willow]

this has thankfully been resolved and it looks like i can actually use the normals i wanna use

[faint snow]

Do you have an after image for comparison?

[white willow]

yea one sec

[faint snow]

Ty 😝

[quasi trench]

ooooo

[faint snow]

It looks so good now

[white willow]

finally

[pale urchin]

imo, it doesn't look so good on glass

[white willow]

this normal is heavily built for rtx and refraction stuff

but these used to literally blind you

so thankfully its fixed

the new ssr stuff looks great

also ibl looks a bit better too

i noticed some new stuff in the configs

ibl now has an importance_sampled option

ssr also has a thickness setting

but uh

what does thickness do

[pale urchin]

my guess? It's how thick the screen space raytracing assumes objects in the scene to be.

larger values reduces the chance of missing a hit, but also stretches the reflection.

[white willow]

the new gap filling changes are good though

and they increased ssr fading distance from 0.3 to 0.75

[pale urchin]

Thickness 0.025 vs 1.0

[white willow]

i see

i assume its set where its set to avoid issues

omg wait.

[pale urchin]

Yeah, what I did was just an exaggeration

[white willow]

low, medium, high, ultra

they actually are using the quality settings!!!!!!!!

[pale urchin]

Speaking of which. Minecraft is using my integrated GPU all of a sudden. My FPS tanked!

[white willow]

in windows, make sure minecraft preview is set to maximum performance

[pale urchin]

How do I do that again?

[white willow]

search graphics in the windows settings search

then find minecraft preview

if its not there you can add it via a different search

[pale urchin]

Strange. When I search for Minecraft Preview, it doesn't show up at all

[white willow]

under add an app change it to microsoft store application

[pale urchin]

Thank you

It's using my other GPU now

Much better

[white willow]

found out another thing

IBL has two settings

[pale urchin]

I just realized how bad my screenshots look.

[white willow]

mip chain and importance sampled

[pale urchin]

faster, but less accurate

can I get a download of the pack you're using?

[white willow]

ye

https://mcpedl.com/vanilla-reforged-deferred-cf/

[pale urchin]

Thanks.

I should really update my MCPEDL to link with Curseforge

[white willow]

its cool to know how the IBL is handled now though

i wonder if importance sampling is new

did some editing to ssr and made it render everything on screen (not tied to fading distance)

[pale urchin]

I noticed that there's no underwater fog in your pack

[white willow]

there should be

but underwater fog is entirely volumetric

[pale urchin]

Ok weird. It just came back

[pale urchin]

Is there anything you can do to make this circle less perfect?

[white willow]

@still zenith shadow biasing for point lights and directional lights is quite messed up in the latest update

[white willow]

nah its just how the snells window is

[pale urchin]

yes, but usually waves on the surface break up the perfect circle

[white willow]

yea idk why they arent.

[pale urchin]

Like this

Maybe the waves are just not significant enough

[white willow]

its a bit more wibbly on my end

[pale urchin]

Well I guess I can't really blame it. The waves on the surface are relatively subtle too

But that's just your style

[white willow]

making them sharper caused some visual issues

for the look i wanted these were probably the best settings

plus even when the waves were stronger, the snells window never really moved too too much

[pale urchin]

I got something like this

[still zenith]

Thanks. We are aware of this issue and will be fixing it. Sorry about that.

[white willow]

sweet. lets go

[pale urchin]

Oh I just noticed that you turned up ambient light in your pack. That's why turning sky lighting all the way down didn't completely get rid of light.

[white willow]

what?

im just curious what you were doing

[pale urchin]

ambient lighting 1 vs 0

Erm, it seems editor mode doesn't allow 0.0 as a sky light value

[white willow]

interesting

[pale urchin]

fascinating. There's no sky lighting yet the iron block is getting lit with an interesting pattern.

[white willow]

looks like some normal mapping stuff

[pale urchin]

Here's one without SSR

Hmm. SSR is brighter than it should be here.

[white willow]

im wondering if this is due to shadow biasing issues

cuz light leaks are very prominent

ah yes

[pale urchin]

Ok this is definitely not right

[white willow]

its weird cuz it seems to work in some cases and doesnt in others

[tribal trail]

ssr looks so good now 🥹

[blazing whale]

TAAU

Bilinear Upscaling

[quasi trench]

FSR 4 and DLSS 4 when

[civic radish]

Navigate to renderer/materias/Upscaling.material.bin then decompile it with lazurite tool, edit the fragment files add dlss or fsr, then compile back, load with better render test in game, repeat the process as much as needed to have result you want, good luck!

[quasi trench]

wowza i was saying that as a joke but that idea flew by me

[proud pike]

Good luck with that 👍

[civic radish]

Step n1: Download Lazurite tool
step 2: Install python
3: get computer
4: learn shaders
5 ask nvidia to give source code of dlss4
6 shape the code of dlss to bgfx shader
7 download bgfx shader
8 compile shader
9 see errors
10 ask gpt where is error
11 fix error
12 see more errors
13 give up
14 return
15 continue finding errors
16 done with process but no result
17 ask nvidia to write it for you
18 learn to take rejection
19 feel sad
20 run pbr shaders on ultra
21 your fans broken
22 pc overheats
23 happiness when they spin
24 but new fans
25 buy new gpu
26 buy more ram

27. Repeat the process, never give up continue gambling the shaders😁

[quasi trench]

someone will find a way with these steps

maybe linus from linus tech tips could

[tribal trail]

18 is unclear

crush filed for a restraining order

[quasi trench]

never knew a soda bottle could do such a thing

[civic radish]

Don't worry😁😁

Cry as loud as possible so they would feel pity and give you code😁😁😁😁

[tribal trail]

📝

🫡

[civic radish]

😀

[civic radish]

I know I'm writing it for chosen ones😃

They always stuck in this cycle

[proud pike]

[white willow]

You forgot to mention after the buy new ram
27. New ram is too expensive
28. Download more ram

[faint snow]

Can I download a new gpu

[proud pike]

yes

[faint snow]

Thank you, I think I can see the ray tracing happening!

There’s lazers shooting out of my screen

🫣

[white willow]

I mean technically yes with something like GeForce now

[civic radish]

Download free ram for your computer from:
👇
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[civic radish]

Great now download free viruses they'll help your computer to live upto 100 years, don't worry about your data it'll be stolen but in safe hands😉😊😊😊😊😇😇😇😇☺

[wintry sigil]

i trust it

[civic radish]

Yes believe me it worth it😇😇😇😇🥰😊😊😇😇😊🥰😊🥰😇🥰🥰😇🥰😇🥰

[hearty seal]

Yo thanks Man I was really looking for a way to get more ram

[civic radish]

No problem, sweetie😇😇😊😊

[civic radish]

Don't forget to download miners it's programs that keep hygiene of your computer☺😇😇😊😊😊😊☺☺😉😉

[hearty seal]

I won’t forget 😀😆😆

[civic radish]

Thank you, now I have photo of your unc and I know his name DD Obama he's from Evil Empire😇😊😊🥰🥰

[wise hinge]

[faint snow]

Weird reflection bug on iOS

[wise hinge]

I've seen someone get the same bug

[civic radish]

Mr. PeaDiddy can fix this☺☺☺😊😊😊😇😇😇

[quasi trench]

i miss these portals and stuff having proper pointlight shadows

maybe performance has gotten better for it now?

what’s your thoughts 1 major version since then

[wise hinge]

no performance improvement for me

[ornate hollow]

no performance improve for point light and point light shadow yet

and no sneak deferred update

[wise hinge]

oh, the water_still_grey bug is fixed. I can see the world from underwater

[white willow]

Definitely not when I barely manage 70fps on a 4070 super when there's a light nearby

[wise hinge]

ssr

mojang cooked real

[ornate hollow]

SSR is good

less broken

[wise hinge]

rip fps

[quasi trench]

hehe

i just wish that normals werent like nonexistent in shadows

i might stick with barebones textures until something maybe resolves it

[white willow]

The fix for this would be them implementing texture AO, I'm just not sure how they'd do this. The main thing I can think of is making the normals blue channel do that

[pale urchin]

I'm glad that they increased the SSR fade distance, but I wonder why they don't just make it 1.0

[tribal trail]

ssr is very blurry now

[faint snow]

What da flip

[tribal trail]

goofy ahh reflections

[pale urchin]

Strange

[faint snow]

I think they look good

[proud pike]

They really messed up the performance on the ios build of deferred, i cant even get a stable 40 fps with a mix of medium to high settings whereas in older versions i could get a stable 60 fps at all high settings. (Tested on M4 iPad Pro)

and this is with 66% TAAU

also deferred render distance got capped at 12??

I’ve already tested deferred with 24 rd, my device can most certainly handle it

[proud pike]

can confirm

The fireflys are pretty nice tbf

new chicken 🔥

[humble drift]

Wtf

Skibidi chickens

[proud pike]

[white willow]

Wait...

Do you think

[proud pike]

👀

[white willow]

They might've been testing rough SSR

[proud pike]

maybe

[white willow]

That seems to be the most likely thing

Oh no

There's noise

I think the blurred SSR looks a bit better than perfect mirror though (on blocks)

[proud pike]

hows the performance like for you in this update?

[white willow]

About the same

[proud pike]

it has fallen off a cliff for me

i cant maintain a stable 60 with the M4

💀

even at medium settings

[white willow]

oof

yea im still getting about 30

im gonna check pc configs and whatnot

[tribal trail]

I hope

[white willow]

also handheld pbr look better in this update too

at least from the 5 seconds i played on my phone

there is nothing new in the reflection configs

however

theres new configs for render distance

oh they dont do a whole lot

but it looks like you can add higher render distance options with it

thats neat

[sonic canopy]

Cross your eyes

[white willow]

yup

'

the performance hit is insane though

the blurryness looks bad on water but tbh it works well for blocks

[quick beacon]

They brokey stuff

[wintry sigil]

I really like the way it looks for blocks

[white willow]

performance also feels horrible

but like aside from water it looks nice

uh idk what the square on the left is. i think my webcam was on for some reason

but like the blur on blocks makes sense since they arent 100% smooth. water is fully smooth so the blur makes no sense

[proud pike]

huh, this is the first time im seeing “D3D12+ PBR” with deferred

it used to only be D3D12 PBR on pcs

[white willow]

interesting

also yea the blur is more noticeable on lower res, i was on native before

definitely has to be testing for rough ssr

[pale urchin]

Orrr a test for performance optimizations

[white willow]

i feel like adding a blur to the reflections would hurt performance

[white willow]

unmodded ssr though. just used the new render distance config to increase the rd to 48

[pale urchin]

Now that I think about it, it's not just a downscale

[white willow]

usually done via a gaussian filter

[pale urchin]

Water is transparent, so a simple buffer downscale couldn't have been done

[white willow]

but ssr is no longer noisless

[pale urchin]

Can't wait to try out this preview.

[white willow]

the blurring however does look fantastic for blocks (as ive said)

if its removed from 0 roughness objects perfection

[pale urchin]

I never thought they'd take the time to create rough SSR

That's a surprise to me

[white willow]

it seems blurryness is somewhat affected by upscaling

native 4k

the blurring is basically not here at 4k lol

this looks so good

[proud pike]

fr

[white willow]

messed with waves a little. reflections having noise feels weirdddddd

[sonic canopy]

Stereoscopic 3d + dof

[wise hinge]

aaaaaa i can see noise on the water in ipadOS

[white willow]

It's really bad 😭

[ornate hollow]

Look like cubemapping👍

Yes

Look weird a bit

[wise hinge]

-# ?

[ornate hollow]

G

I want to try 70.22

Yoo

[quasi trench]

are the shadows looking ok now

[tribal trail]

yass

[proud pike]

Is that stereoscopic 3d right in the renderer?

[ornate hollow]

WOW

yes

deferred really need rough reflection

[faint snow]

Zamn 🤤

Whats her name???

[ornate hollow]

yo

[vague shoal]

@still zenith sorry for the ping but I found a bug on iOS with the water

[vague shoal]

It’s very bad on my phone now

Game keeps freezing almost every 10 seconds

[faint snow]

Prob an issue with the ssr fill in

[quasi trench]

oh no

i hope my deferred will be fine

[harsh iris]

I love tricking my brain into seeing depth

[wise hinge]

i've seen that too, on ipad

[proud pike]

I haven't on my iPad tho, the performance definitely has gotten a lot worse.

[wise hinge]

yeah, the performance has worsened for me as well, especially when there is water on the screen.

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows shader for 1.21.70 that looks like deffered in 1.20.30, that doesn't have weird tonemaps, too much 3d effect, no water ssr, waves, just static blue water

[ornate hollow]

no ssr is turn off reflection

no 3d is remove texture

static blue water you can't do that

weird tonemaps idk what it is

[civic radish]

Why not? It was best aspect of old deffered

[ornate hollow]

underwater

[civic radish]

What underwater?

[ornate hollow]

it's black

it will make water not look old

[civic radish]

I mean want water not be gray but look light blue, without waves like in 1.20.30 is it possible

[ornate hollow]

no wave yes

light blue water is hard

[civic radish]

Okay thanks

[ornate hollow]

you can find old style deferred pack in mcpedl

[tribal trail]

old

new

[wise hinge]

For the static water, you have to edit water/water.json in the Deferred pack.
{ .... ": { .... }, "waves": { "enabled": true, <-- change to false ...... }, }

[civic radish]

Appreciate that gentleman🍷

[ornate hollow]

oh

static water is no wave

[civic radish]

still water

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-know-still-water-gif-18089208077801051270

[civic radish]

Really gentleman? You decided to waste your time to find this to get few laughs? It's not worth it

[vague shoal]

☹️

[civic radish]

You can do 10 pushups during it, each day it'll make you stronger

[ornate hollow]

bro not funny

and no chill

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-sigma-sorry-you-are-not-a-sigma-sorry-you're-not-a-sigma-you-aren't-a-sigma-you-are-not-sigma-gif-337838532227751572

[civic radish]

I'm the one in charge here not you

[vague shoal]

Bro only joined the server 2 weeks ago 😭🙏

[civic radish]

The join date doesn't matter, only expirience I have

[vague shoal]

You spelt experience wrong

[civic radish]

Out of 100 successful things, people would stuck on 1 failure

[graceful iron]

[oak thicket]

Brainrot

[pale urchin]

Is that a chorus fruit block shape?

[ornate hollow]

👍

[pale urchin]

For a second I thought the SSR was getting progressively rougher

[ornate hollow]

why my eyes alway see DOF

[faint snow]

Slight dof would help with visuals a lot in deferred imo

[safe urchin]

why is the screenshot split in two

[sonic canopy]

It's a 3d stereogram, you can see the image in 3d if you cross your eyes

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295466010245070911/1337123836939866194/2025-02-06_13-11-30.mp4?ex=67a79e9d&is=67a64d1d&hm=f3a6c19ea228d163c51f9704d2cc6cd08e43be5e7f606c9d9788598eb092e51c&

Metals and whatnot look a lot better after the reflection improvements last update

The blur also makes them feel a bit more correct

[gaunt sparrow]

look's good

[blazing whale]

Strawberry Deferred V3.5

[civic radish]

Sigma🗿🍷

[wise hinge]

I tested how much the fps drops from the last update.
in every situation, fps has dropped by 10-20fps
Very laggy

[quasi trench]

yeesh i wonder why

maybe firefly bushes around?

those themselves cause lag

[iron moon]

What pack is that?

[ornate hollow]

Bug Point light shadow cause high impact performance

[wise hinge]

[sonic canopy]

Prizma rtx is the rp, shader is my own

[civic radish]

Hello

[wise hinge]

[ornate hollow]

ahhhh

low quality

i hate it

[tribal trail]

i made spyglass to look correct with deferred :3

[vague shoal]

GRAPHICS MODE OPTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO STABLE https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1338917466264567912/1338921613919387689/image.png?ex=67acd76c&is=67ab85ec&hm=7321b0addb292777bafff2f05e12de77f1e9e1908994ea2f08d09df2dd517e00&

Pic was from poggy

[ornate hollow]

change new style

[vague shoal]

?

[ornate hollow]

nothing

BRD not work on 1.21.60

[vague shoal]

Oh well

Still something tho

Can confirm the new ui has been added tho

[quasi trench]

it being mentioned in stable is interesting however

maybe they found a solution for getting a deferred pbr resource pack on console

in a more accessible manner

[vague shoal]

And what would that “solution” be

I think deferred being mentioned in the changelog was just a mistake

But this new graphics ui definitely wasn’t

[quasi trench]

they pick and choose what is mentioned in the changelog

[white willow]

And sometimes things are missed and or accidentally included

I wouldn't be surprised if they just copied a lot from the 1.21.60 preview changelog

But it's also like switch changes being mentioned in preview

It's not there but it gets mentioned anyway

[vague shoal]

True

[vague shoal]

But this was no mistake

[white willow]

Help

[proud pike]

black hole has made its way from rtx into deferred

[white willow]

"We need RTX parity" -the game

[proud pike]

[faint frigate]

Aajabrams added black hole parity to deferred 😮 /s

[white willow]

Real

[vague shoal]

have this exact same problem

[graceful iron]

Nice dementia you got there

[white willow]

I love problems in computer graphixs

[gaunt sparrow]

not good

[white willow]

POV you got sent to the shadow dimension (not deferred)

[gaunt sparrow]

okay😐

[ornate hollow]

GG

[simple ocean]

is it rtx?

[white willow]

No

[simple ocean]

xd

[simple ocean]

oooo how beautiful it looks, do you have to do some configuration so that it works or is it a specific version

[simple ocean]

How do I make it work for me, the texture pack is beautiful

[white willow]

You need to use the deferred technical preview on Minecraft preview

[simple ocean]

How do I do that, sorry, I don't know much about that hahahaha

[tribal trail]

@still zenith sorry for ping (🥹 🙏 ) but in latest preview is a bug were shadows are extremely dark and IBL is much more visible

this is how it looked one version before

[still zenith]

Hmm. We did change the behavior of this sort of thing a few previews ago with the introduction of the "sky intensity" field in the lighting json. Have you tried adjusting that in the Editor or is this issue something else?

[tribal trail]

here is a thing, version before had sky intensity and my pack is using that feature

it's version 1.21.70.23 that made my shadows pitch back

[pale urchin]

Wouldn't call it "pitch black"

definitely darker though

[tribal trail]

and bumping up sky intensity does almost nothing

[still zenith]

I see. I'll bring this to the team.

🙏

[tribal trail]

only workaround i found is bumping rayleigh_strength to very high values like 2.5/3.0

but it's not perfect and in the previous version everything worked fine

[tribal trail]

thank you ☺️

[still zenith]

No, thank you. Glad we have this community to surface these sorts of issues. ❤️

[tribal trail]

i can send you deferred pack that i use if that could help

[still zenith]

Yes, please!

[still zenith]

Circling back here in case other Creators have hit the same issue that @tribal trail did. We're pretty sure we know what change caused it and will be taking another look at it. If we don't get it figured out within the next week however, it will likely linger until the next round of previews. Please bear with us. 🙏

[white willow]

Ooh @still zenith while you're here. I've seen this happen a few times in the latest preview on iOS. I've heard of it happening on windows as well but I haven't tested enough to know for myself

[tribal trail]

oh i forgor about that

had that on windows when tuned off taau

[white willow]

I had taau on

Idk what caused it lol

It just happened

[still zenith]

For the curious, the issue stems from us trying to correlate the "sky brightness" to the same overall intensity curve defined in keyframes for the sun/moon. Non-Deferred Minecraft does that, but it assumes a simple cosine curve over the course of the day, but this is not guaranteed to match the curve provided by keyframes. It caused noticeable issues during sunrise/sunset.

[white willow]

Interesting

[still zenith]

Ah, yes, we're tracking this issue. 🙏

[white willow]

Sweet

[pale urchin]

Pibby glitch 👁️ 👄 👁️

Don't you just love NaN?

[white willow]

yes

what even causes NaNs

i havent been doing shader stuff for long enough to encounter them as a problem

[still zenith]

NaNs refers to "not a number". It is returned in shaders when you perform undefined math, such as dividing by zero.

Shaders can also return "INF" for infinity, which tends to cause different problems.

[white willow]

ohhhhhhh interesting

cool

i havent really gotten into any math heavy stuff yet so thankfully havent ran into that. will likely happen though once calculations start getting more crazy

[proud pike]

We teach rocks how to think and turn math into beautiful pictures, truly an era we live in

[remote tree]

It really is exciting that we taught rocks how to see more rocks

[jagged badge]

This is kind of scary haha

[quick beacon]

Anyone's end sky like this too in the latest preview?

[pale urchin]

Custom end sky confirmed

[white willow]

I'd cry. End sky pleaaaaaaseee

[still zenith]

Friends don't let friends divide by zero. That's my motto. 😉

[white willow]

true. but watching programs freak out can be fun sometimes. although one im working on doesnt seem to want to break.

ive put multiple divisions by zero and either the function stops and doesnt do anything funky or it just... proceeds like normal??????

[rotund minnow]

i keep wondering with this issue from others

[white willow]

pov you uh do something

[rotund minnow]

ah yes, "something"

[white willow]

ive made it worse 😭

but im really close

to what its supposed to do

[rotund minnow]

absolute "something"

[white willow]

:)

its not bedrock edition but thought id share what that mess ended up as

[long ruin]

[river geyser]

is it possible to have a separate day and night cubemap?

overworld_cubemap with _0 to _5 is just constantly on.
it seems like it covers the sun and moon too. I just want to get rid of the stars

[white willow]

Unfortunately no

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows how to download better render shader tool for 1.21?

[wise hinge]

-# cattoo

[raw pendant]

stupidest thing ive ever read

[raw pendant]

d3d12+ is shown for rt cards

[quasi trench]

not true, i got nvidia to give me DLSS 5.0 pre alpha prototype

it worked with his steps

[civic radish]

Indeed I'm playing at pre generated ai video of fornite with 1600 fps due to dlss 6

[bitter cargo]

so true

john nvidia came out of the screen and murdered me

[civic radish]

I'm sorry to hear to that is there's anything I can assist you today

[bitter cargo]

sorry but i am dead

[quasi trench]

hardcore worlds be like that

[gaunt sparrow]

is shader going to be pay

[polar comet]

are there json schemas for the deffered stuff? (so i can use $schema)

[quick beacon]

So it turns out, atmospherics.json is being applied in all dimensions right now. Could be for the new biome based stuff.

[vague shoal]

Yay we can get purple sky in the end!!

[ornate hollow]

YES YES YES!!!

different water wave

[ornate hollow]

OOOO

is there sun in the end?

[pale urchin]

Can't do that. skyboxes aren't per biome

[ornate hollow]

sad

sun in the end?

[pale urchin]

You know what that's a good question. How will this work in the dimensions without a sun or moon?

[quick beacon]

The white spot is my sun MEI or glare (forgot which one)

[pale urchin]

I see two possibilities for atmospherics in other dimensions

1. The settings work and also allow us to specify a custom light direction
2. The settings are ignored

[quick beacon]

I haven't checked if the sun moves in the end

I assume not, and there are also no shadows in the end as well which is a bummer to me

[pale urchin]

I checked just now. It doesn't appear to

[quick beacon]

Ah, interesting

[pale urchin]

Interestingly, the nether does not have any atmospherics. So I'm inclined to believe they are actually gonna support it in the end dimension

[quick beacon]

That's needed

[silent zealot]

Close enough, welcome back 2020 bug.

[pale urchin]

Also, you'd think that the sun in the end would reflect the overworld time, but it doesn't. It's an arbitrary position in the sky. More evidence backing official atmospherics support in the end

[quick beacon]

I'd like to make the end look good

[pale urchin]

The only thing missing is "sun" light

Imagine if the supported custom skyboxes per biome

[silent zealot]

Imagine if molang support.

[quick beacon]

I think it'd great if the end had a light source that cast shadows

[pale urchin]

Let's not get crazy

[silent zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1110311698583273553/1317221431951757312/gingerbread_men.gif

[pale urchin]

That stupid GIF again 😭

[white willow]

I agree. But also I feel like the shadows for the end should have very different properties from the overworld ie softer, less defined. But that's just me personally

At least from the direct sunlight

[pale urchin]

You know in retrospect, deferred has come a really long way since the first preview

Take the TAA for instance. Ghosting is almost completely gone

[white willow]

Yea deferred has come a long way

It's still got problems and I have my own personal gripes with it

But otherwise like yea it's definitely gotten better

[vague shoal]

Imagine they could be tho

[vague shoal]

Animated cubemaps when

[sonic canopy]

Would be cool if cubemap can be modified to the same extend as entity - with custom geometry, animations, materials, molang logic, overlays... Then we could design entirely new skyboxes from scratch, without the need to bake hundreds of high resolution frames per skybox. And then, it can even be paired with gameplay, and have weather systems, or change visuals when fighting bosses, etc. Basically, what shaders should've allowed us to do, but without shaders (the bedrock way)

[vague shoal]

[brisk kraken]

Any way I can get rid of shadow without reducing collision?

[sonic canopy]

Invisibility + renders_when_invisible

[viscid moth]

hmmm isn't too bright for emissive 1

[white willow]

Mmmmm yum (dw not deferred)

[brisk kraken]

renders_when_invisible do I add this in the entity's components?

[proven quail]

Is there anyway to use shader with ios

[quasi trench]

was running in 4k max settings with fog set to high

getting a 4k video is too annoying tho so 1080p will do

[proud pike]

Rip

[quasi trench]

its slowly getting more playable ig

[proud pike]

Could have taken out the archer first but that's that

[quasi trench]

input delay was kinda crazy but idk

[proud pike]

Bedrock moment

[quasi trench]

too many around him

[long ruin]

obliterate all of them

[quasi trench]

that could be my fault and the system strain on trying to run it

but i was just getting a taste of how it feels to actually play it

[proud pike]

That and bedrock infamously has terrible input latency on the best PCs even

[long ruin]

[civic radish]

Does anyone knows how can I compile RD shaders on windows, for some reason I can't compile shaders for windows on win11, it compiles for android essl 300, 310 using lazurite tool and how can I compile shaders for specific versions?

[broken egret]

If anyone good with materials could take a look at my help post, would be greatly appreciated. Trying to make an immersive portals thing
https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1342941121793490985

[drowsy lantern]

What is your first person animation resource pack name?

[stark harness]

Dose anybody know if the PS5 pro runs the defferd shades better than Xbox series and ps5

[brave star]

it has an upgraded GPU

i willing to bet it'll run better.

[ornate hollow]

@karmic owl (sorry for ping)

here

[karmic owl]

Hey 😅

[quick beacon]

Oh hello!!

[white willow]

Do I smell a Heyney green stein phase function in use for fog

This looks wild either way

[pale urchin]

It is!

Is it controllable?

[white willow]

Not sure

I won't be on pc for a bit

[long ruin]

imma need you to dumb it down about what that means xd

[white willow]

Basically it makes it so the strength of the fog (or well anything) is more intense near the sun

You can also use it to control stuff like asymmetry of it as well

[long ruin]

Oooh I see it now

[white willow]

I'm still learning what it is but I plan to use one in my shader for my godrays function

[long ruin]

Nice

[white willow]

A lot of this is because my godrays are screenspace so the transitions are really harsh, but if I can center them by the light source it'll look better

[ornate hollow]

👀

OOOOOOOOOOO

[white willow]

Welp since this is the case, an option to control the fog asymmetry would be awesome