Graphics General

[true otter]

i just activated it with luminous dreams

and i get a white screen

i changed to prizma and i get a black screen

anyone knows how to fix this ?

[graceful iron]

Is it bad that I unironically think that the unscaled image looks better

I hate bilinear interpolation in scaling so much

[tribal trail]

Same

I like pixelated bloom

[quick beacon]

tbh, idk which is which

[sonic canopy]

I don't have any means of testing it, but I believe this material should disable bilinear filter and instead make it pixelated, like on my first screenshot, in case anyone wants to try it and see how it looks (windows only). Luckily it's a very easy mod that didn't require any actual shader modding, just a simple parameter tweak of the material file.

[sonic canopy]

First screenshot - low resolution input before the upscaling, second - output of the upscaler

[quick beacon]

Thanks!

[real berry]

I want to see your best deferred Pale Garden screenshots!

[white willow]

oh man i gotta update mine since im going for a new style

[white willow]

would you want us to just make a post for them and tag you?

[real berry]

That works!

[white willow]

alright

[quick beacon]

That reminds me to do stuff with the biome.

[white willow]

new sky!

thoughts?

i mostly went off this image that i took a few days ago

[long ruin]

imagine if there was player pbr

problem is, i wouldn't know how that would work since it needs multiple textures

[fluid holly]

it looks good the blue gets a bit too dark tho imo makes it look a bit deep fried

[faint snow]

I think the fog that the pack uses is hella pale so it cancels out those vibrant sky colors

[white willow]

Yes

It's just off for visual representation

With fog

[narrow timber]

Anyone know how to use deferred on Android? I was told it was official since 1.21.30.

[silent zealot]

Be in preview
Download a pbr pack
Enabled render dragon toggle
???
Enjoy

[narrow timber]

Oh so it's still on preview. Thanks!

[dusty whale]

So beautiful！！！I hope future deferred rendering can achieve these effects!

[wise hinge]

-# wish we have customizable volumetric clouds

[tribal trail]

i tried your latest test pack, and you should change gamma in color grading to work better with default value

[quick beacon]

faster than the speed of light

[tribal trail]

😎

[quick beacon]

question remains, increase or decrease gamma?

[tribal trail]

increase

[proud pike]

I'll be getting a new device to test deferred on so I'll be able to give ya some feedback by tomorrow, looking forward to it ^^

[tribal trail]

also your water looks weird, it looks like wrinkled skin instead of wavy water

[quick beacon]

Thanks!! I really need it. I mean, I suck at doing this, lol, but I'd appreciate it.

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

and the lack of pbr is killing me

[quick beacon]

just my style

I suck at PBR so no point in using/doing it.

[tribal trail]

even 16x16 normalmaps would be better

[quick beacon]

I just don't like PBR

[brave torrent]

same here

[pale urchin]

Is that good?

[quasi trench]

yeah its hard to believe but theres the ss

theyve been optimizing a bunch

playstation hasnt received much of the optimization by contrast

[graceful iron]

Why not?

[proud pike]

PBR is my love, PBR is my life, without it my game looks drab :(

[tribal trail]

literally

pbr is the only reason why i play bedrock

[wise hinge]

pbrᡣ੭

[quick beacon]

Okay, so I guess I'm the only one here that doesn't like PBR and doesn't wanna use it in my pack??

😔

[quick beacon]

Life's tuff when you're different 🙏

[long ruin]

[wise hinge]

[tribal trail]

Yes

[white willow]

did a thing. as the sun leaves the atmosphere, they sky gets darker. looks really neat

[wise hinge]

extremely keyframed

[white willow]

tbh this is a detail nobody will really notice, but it looks really cool

[tribal trail]

i love normalmaps 😍

[wise hinge]

height/normal
-# farmland_wet

[silent zealot]

Which is which?

[jagged badge]

I like tasteful PBR, used in moderation. IMO materials should not be overtly shiny for the sake of it.

1. Heightmap
   2-3. Normals

[silent zealot]

I see...would have loved if it was taked at the same angle and time to see the difference easily.

[jagged badge]

The difference is more immediately obvious with more familiarity. Heightmaps look uglier IMO

[wise hinge]

first is heightmap others are normal
i prefer normal

[white willow]

For me it depends. 16x normals aren't very good either. You can make them look good but it takes an insane amount of effort. I've drifted more towards 128x normals which can give much sharper but also softer looking normals more similar to heightmaps,. But that extra resolution also allows me to add stylized effects in the future

[tribal trail]

True, normlamps are much better

[jagged badge]

Yea, IMO the normal resolution should at least be 2x the albedo resolution.

[white willow]

Granted I've upscaled all three to 128x. So I have 128x albedo, normal and mer but it gives a similar look to heightmaps. Just I think it's better this way as normals just have more data to work with

I'm working on a concept for adding scratches to stuff like iron

Since the extra res lets me do that

[jagged badge]

I'm surprised you opted to make weathered copper shiny. Patinas usually have a very matte texture to them.

[white willow]

It degrade the quality of reflection as it gets more oxidized. I'm likely going to reduce it but it's something different I'm trying

My other pack basically removes most clear reflection at weathered

But wanted to try it being a bit more shiny and a little more metallic

[tribal trail]

Tbh 16x16 give me that minecrafty vibe but just better

Hard to explain, but it look comfortable

[jagged badge]

A very carefully crafted normal map could do that. I have thought about using Blender to generate normal maps. Creating a plane, subdividing it to the pixel resolution, then once more. Each pixel's height can then be moved up and down relative to others.

But that sounds tedious without a template or a pipeline to speed it up

[white willow]

I agree if done right. Which I'd say you've done it right. It's just very hard to pull off good 16x normals. 32x seems like it's the perfect res that keeps the feel the same as you get that extra few pixels but that's just my opinion

[jagged badge]

For anyone who makes MER and normal maps, what is your process for "seeing" what you think is the intended visual direction?

I am looking at the stone brick, and I can see obvious shading in these parts, as well as the highlights on the texture

But as for the otherwise flat part of each brick (the faces that jutt out), how do you interpret the varying shades?

This is how my bricks look with my current 32x32 normal map, it's pretty basic, and although there is very little MER to speak of for now, I also attribute the flatness to a poor normal

[tribal trail]

When it comes to mer, i first imagine how it would look if it was 3D, then i think what apart of the block would get more light(make them reflective) and what part get less light (i make thsi parts more rough, to give that illusion that light doesn't get there as much)

I also sometime do gradients with roughness to make illusion of curved surface and depth if certain blok need that

[jagged badge]

16x16 normal version

[quick beacon]

I prefer the 32x one

[tribal trail]

It looks bad imo because you doesn't give any texture(not mer but in normalmap) to the bricks

Just making edges curved is not enough imo

[jagged badge]

Yea, the faces are otherwise flat. I've been moving vertices manually in Blender but it's so time consuming—for the brick faces I might use sculpting

[tribal trail]

This is how mine look like (i knwo it's strong, but i just ported it from rtx version of my packs without any modifications, in rtx it looks less strong)

[white willow]

for me i have a style in mind. like what do i want my pack to look like. I usually go for what i like to call, "hybrid realism". I try to make things realistic but i also exaggerate them a bit for visual flair

[jagged badge]

See, I lack any kind of creative direction in everything I do 😆

[white willow]

so like my grass has some specular reflection for flashyness but its done sparingly

its not strong but its enough to give it some extra detailing while still looking fairly decent

also made the normal a bit more blurry and blended so the pixel edges arent super sharp, but sharp enough to define them

and theres some soft subsurface scattering applied to the grass top texture to just give it a little more pop in direct light at various angles

[jagged badge]

Any idea what causes this to happen on ... I think it's the normals?

[proud pike]

looks to be a bug related to point lights and its shadows

[jagged badge]

I'm investigating if it's my MERS

[white willow]

this seems to just be an issue with normals in deferred

i dont believe this happens in rtx

but it might

or its just a low res normal problem

it happens in direct sunlight as well

[proud pike]

ive seen that kinda thing with pointlights before

[white willow]

i havent had this issue with my high res normals though. so its most likely a low res normal issue

[jagged badge]

Happens with high-resolution normal mapping too. Here is 64x64

[proud pike]

pointlights or mipmapping is my guess

[tribal trail]

Your normalmap is too strong

[tribal trail]

It kinda does

In a different way but it does

[jagged badge]

It very well could be haha, this is a pretty strong green channel

[graceful iron]

That’s hot

Jesus

[earnest sierra]

That's the nether, cat

It's literal hell 😭 /s

[graceful iron]

[tribal trail]

i made a normalmaps mode from scratch for a reason 😎

[graceful iron]

https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1315855067190005791

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

high resolution weathered copper concept

yes the tiling is bad but its not something i plan on using. just made it for fun

[long ruin]

hows the denoising

[white willow]

actually pretty good

DLSS is the only real thing causing issues

cuz some of the details are just so fine and the upscaler freaks out a little

happens in deferred too lol

[quasi trench]

id want a pack like this for deferred ngl

[white willow]

would be cool but the amount of work (and the poor texture atlas) would not have fun haha

this one texture took me around an hourish and it still needs work (tiling problems)

[quasi trench]

oh my okay

ill let it be a wishful dream

[dusty whale]

It seems that Mojang has removed the RenderDragon engine in the latest official version.🤔🤔

The latest version does indeed support shaders for the HAL engine.😨

[sonic canopy]

Real

[dusty whale]

Could RenderDragon have been accidentally removed by Mojang?🤔

[sonic canopy]

Rainy day shader

I suppose now we know why HAL shaders are being kept up to date

[mint cloud]

Weird, HAL shaders doesn't work for me.

maybe this is some kind of dual renderer?

[sonic canopy]

It works only on v8a build

arm64-v8a

[mint cloud]

well mine is v8a though

[sonic canopy]

Are you on 1.21.51?

[mint cloud]

nope not yet

[sonic canopy]

Yeah that's the one

[mint cloud]

1.21.51 has it?

[sonic canopy]

Yes

Most likely was enbaled by mistake so enjoy it while you can, I think we'll get 1.21.52 hotfix soon to revert this

[mint cloud]

i guess they probably test to see if ore-ui screen works properly with hal renderer.

[sonic canopy]

Nope, v7 still runs RenderDragon

[sonic canopy]

Nope. As far as I can tell, v8 Android build is the only one with HAL, across Windows, IOS and Android builds. Maybe switch was also changed to use HAL, tho imo it's unlikely and I don't have any way of testing that

[sonic canopy]

Hardware Abstraction Layer

You know that your android game build is running HAL if you can use HAL shaders

[white willow]

so confused how something like this could happen

[vague shoal]

Perhaps it was on purpose to fix something with render dragon

Just like switch

[white willow]

idk maybe its just me but i dont get the hype around HAL engine shaders (aside form shader creators) They just look so primitive

[vague shoal]

May I use this clip in my video I’m making right now?

[white willow]

this is excluding china edition shaders

those are insane

but international Bedrock HAL shaders look very simple and primitive imo

[vague shoal]

They still got them custom clouds tho

[white willow]

and they look like a static skybox

you can get that exact same look in modern deferred with a cubemap lmao

[vague shoal]

Eh not really

Hal shaders clouds were actually moving tho not static

[white willow]

the only thing i can think of why people like the HAL shaders is cuz they make the game look a little better without nuking performance

[mint cloud]

@sonic canopy They just released a RD build of android ver. thought might want you to know.

Shaders no longer works now.

[sonic canopy]

RIP HAL, it was nice seeing you again, old buddy

[mint cloud]

my game finally runs pretty smooth once again

[white willow]

very soft normals but they show the details needed. it almost feels kinda like theres depth lol

[brave torrent]

Cant you change most visual aspects of Minecraft bedrock edition with HAL instead of RD?

[quick beacon]

HAL got sliced. Hasn't lasted a day from what I heard. RIP 🙏

[white willow]

Not easily

But yea

Unless you mean just loading uo the graphics stuff rather than making them

If it's loading the. It's easy

If it's making it's not

[sonic canopy]

Much easier than with RD tho

[white willow]

Making and loading was easier with HAL yes

[brave torrent]

Mostly just basic stuff like entity shadow rendering, cloud rendering, entity rendering, and screen gamma. For a long time i wanted to change that stuff to achieve a legacy console look but RD exists which sucks

[white willow]

Making still wasn't easy. It was easier than it is now but you still needed shader development knowledge

The files weren't given to you for free (I think)

[brave torrent]

Ahh okay

[brave torrent]

I think it's possible to rip straight from the games files

[white willow]

Well yea the files were there. Idk where exactly but they were. Still editing wasn't simple if you had no idea what you were doing

[quasi trench]

woah HAL made a small return?

[mint cloud]

yeah, accidentally.

[wise hinge]

[proud pike]

Broken POM moment

[quick beacon]

deferred's shadows are smooth again this week instead if them like moving 1 fps

[proud pike]

[humble drift]

Pom more like your mom

[jagged badge]

This was due to a high metalness in my MER. Cc @proud pike @white willow @tribal trail

[white willow]

Interesting

[sonic canopy]

Hey, look what I found @vague shoal

[faint snow]

Loll

[proud pike]

[quasi trench]

is it just me or has deferred seem to become more expensive again?

[jagged badge]

I went for a completely different approach to designing the stone bricks this time. I did the normals by hand in Aseprite; I also changed the texture to be more albedo, so only normals define the shading. Here is the end result. Any suggestions for improvement on my approach?

Has anyone else tried this albedo approach? I assume the textures, if changed, still retain the "top-lit" style Minecraft is known for

There's a bit too little contrast in the bricks vs the grout

[graceful iron]

Is that peenix SC

I love that guy

[rocky halo]

the new java generation makes the bedrock popping a lot more problematic

even more problematic with the low render distance

[vague shoal]

Buh

Bro keeps ignoring deferred

EXCUSE ME? https://youtu.be/sIfKn2C7U18?si=gNCJjLFo_CDr_6ul

[silent zealot]

?

[vague shoal]

Deferred is finally coming to switch

I told yall

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-and-they-say-im-crazy-the-new-batman-adventures-and-people-say-im-crazy-gif-22097394

[rocky halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostsoftabor-tabor-ghosts-of-tabor-tarkov-vr-cybertaco-gif-2881540710736155699

Or maybe it's the firstfruits of a big bedrock optimization update

[vague shoal]

People were already saying yesterday how render dragon is running better in performance than Hal

Yeah I think it’s already getting optimized but we didnt realize it until yesterday

[rocky halo]

On switch don't you have chunk loading issues ?

[vague shoal]

No not really

Unless your flying real fast

[rocky halo]

so yes

[pale urchin]

Funny you mention that. They claimed to have improved that in a previous update

[vague shoal]

Haven’t checked that yet

But if true than we’re heading in the right direction

They must be preparing for deferreds arrival

[rocky halo]

I hope they will improve the 3 mains problems : popping, animations and bugs with transparent things

[vague shoal]

I hope they add custom clouds before deferreds arrival

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-mr-crabs-please-im-begging-you-gif-14172732

[rocky halo]

you it's more decorative

me it's problematic

but that's true, volumetric clouds were a dream when I was younger on mobile

[remote tree]

It's a great concept, you just need some good materials to back up the new textures. Try putting some areas with higher specularity in proportion to the brighter spots in the albedo, I find it often ends up fitting well.

[jagged badge]

And is specularity essentially higher metalness?

[white willow]

No Lower roughness

All metalness does is darken the texture

Which allows for clearer reflections

[jagged badge]

Ah, I see. Thanks

I need to go develop a visual direction 😄 All these techniques are neat, but without direction they serve no purpose

[white willow]

Yeah. Agreed. Cant really make anything without an art direction

[silent zealot]

I will say.... this is such a hard thing to set up and having to enable/disable the pbr previewer 2-3 times just for it to render correctly.

[white willow]

high stylization "hybrid normal"

uses a standard 128x normal, with a upscaled 16x layered on it

its still a work in prog

[jagged badge]

That is an interesting design! I like how it defines pixel boundaries very clearly while each pixels' normals are larger resolution

It does look a little blurry up close though, I'm not sure how to address that

[quasi trench]

as a heightmaps fan, me likey

[wise hinge]

that looks awesome

[white willow]

Thanks. I'm not sure if I'm gonna use it in the pack just due to the amount of time it takes and how little free time I actually have. But I might idk

But it's definitely a cool style I might experiment with

Now where I do think I will utilize this though is in reflective blocks as then you can get a bit more of an interesting reflection out of them rather than it being flat

[remote tree]

I think it might look more concise in higher resolution.

[white willow]

I could try higher res for the lower res normal

[remote tree]

Yeah that's what I mean. I think it'll help sell the look

[white willow]

64x might not be a bad one

So 128x with a 64x normal. Maybe I could get away with nearest neighbor scaling. Although bilinear gives it that rounded look

I'll test and report back with results

[oak cedar]

how would i make close up thick fog?

the custom fog i have just sets the horizon a different color.

[quick beacon]

Deferred?

[oak cedar]

wdym

[quick beacon]

What fog are you looking to change? Vanilla fog or Deferred/RTX volumetric fog

[oak cedar]

i cant use raytracting, so vanilla

[quick beacon]

Then this is more of a #1067869590400544869 question, but all you do is this

 "air": {
        "fog_start": 24,
        "fog_end": 32,
        "fog_color": "#817770",
        "render_distance_type": "fixed"
      }```

[oak cedar]

and that does it close up?

like in my face almost

[quick beacon]

you change fog_start to be a low number

[oak cedar]

ok thx

[quick beacon]

if you use "render" it will render the fog based on render distance and it ignores the start and end values.

[oak cedar]

okie

yea works thank u

[oak cedar]

can you add alpha to this or no?

[quick beacon]

not that I am aware of, no

[oak cedar]

ok thank u

[oak cedar]

is there a way to make it not time dependent?

the darker it is in the game the darker the fog

[quick beacon]

That should change automatically afaik

[oak cedar]

yea how do i make it remain the same color

and not change throughout the day

[quick beacon]

Don't think you cant.

[oak cedar]

ok np

[silent zealot]

Haven't touched Deferred in a while, not really sure if it's my configs or what but the sides of blocks are super dark now. ACES tonemapper.

[quasi trench]

ooweee

[tribal trail]

don't have that bug

[white willow]

I also have not noticed this. What sun angle are you using

Not really sure if that would be the problem. Could also be vanilla sky color being too dark

[white willow]

Hm I don't think that would be an issue

[white willow]

yea you're right. im trying 32x and its much cleaner

lemme try 64

i think 64 might be too high

yea a little

its basically the same as the 128x but it adds some like, blurring around the edges

i think 32x secondary normal is perfect for whta i wanna do

[white willow]

this is honestly like heightmaps but with high detail lol

[quasi trench]

me likey

[quasi trench]

me super likey

[white willow]

everything looks like super 3D which is honestly insane lol

[quasi trench]

very true

[quasi trench]

wowza

[white willow]

I tried to preserve the heightmap detail as much as possible while also giving it a more rounded shape

The shading on the iron here though def looks crazy

[quasi trench]

certainly did well

[white willow]

welp gonna have to redo everything cuz it was all done wrong

[iron moon]

How to get rtx on phone

[white willow]

You see, first you... then you... then after that....

[drowsy lantern]

Minecarft doesn't support rt(ray tracing mobile)

Why hal shaders not working for me?
I use osbes on 1.21.51

[mossy verge]

Already got fixed

[white willow]

Hand drawn 16x normal

[jagged badge]

Nice. The normals along the outermost edges of the bricks make them look smaller in the light, I wonder if they could be biased towards z more

This brick texture looks "flatter" than some of the others, and IMO the normals should complement that

[white willow]

Z isnt used

as far as im aware at least

[jagged badge]

Then I mean to say, have red and green be closer to a value of 0.5 (128/255), so the normal points towards z more

[proud pike]

Holy moly thats as good as if not really better than other brick normals I've seen by other artists

A full 16x normals pack from quirky would go crazy

[tribal trail]

That hurt 🥺 /j

[proud pike]

i still remember that brick normal screenshot with the shroomlight

That was so good 🤤

[pale urchin]

You know what could fix that? If they made sky lighting work like IBLs for diffuse

[jagged badge]

IBL?

[pale urchin]

Image based lighting. It's how Minecraft makes sky reflections currently

[quick beacon]

It's weird and funky

I don't like it

[jagged badge]

Oh, like screen space reflections? Or is this something different

[pale urchin]

Currently ambient lighting just uses vanilla AO shading (bright at the top, dark at the bottom)

[pale urchin]

Two different techniques, but they exist for the same purpose

SSR gives you reflections of anything in view, while IBLs, at least in Minecraft's case, gives you sky reflections

[white willow]

this would all be great and all but

this is rtx 😭

[pale urchin]

Oh wow. 😳

Why is it flat?

[white willow]

idk its a 16x normal

they arent very uh

[pale urchin]

I'd expect the normals facing towards the sky to pick up blue light

[white willow]

sharp

dunno

[pale urchin]

So what if you made the normals stronger?

[white willow]

they uhhh were stronger at one point

looks really weird

[pale urchin]

What did it look like without direct sun light?

[white willow]

its also already fairly strong

[pale urchin]

Could RTX possibly not take normal maps into account when calculating ambient light? 🤔

[sonic canopy]

You must've updated to 1.21.51.02, but HAL was in 1.51.21.01

[pale urchin]

@remote tree Know anything about this?

[remote tree]

I'll have to investigate this, I can look through the code to find out if it isn't actually contributing skylight to the block surface in the diffuse or specular passes. One way to better test this would be to create a void world and make sure the block in question is in shadow, then build around it to control where the skylight can reach it. That way you could have a setup that only allows ambient skylight to hit the block from below, which would make it fairly easy to tell if the normals are actually interacting with it correctly.

[pale urchin]

@white willow Want to test?

[white willow]

im working on something else atm

[vague shoal]

Animated cubemaps when

[white willow]

today ive learned that shader dev is very hard 😭

but so satisfying when you get it right

[mossy verge]

Only works on 64bit (arm64-8a) version

[proud pike]

That's a great use of cubemaps and tonemapping

[quick beacon]

Gonna put this here but I think a lot of you will find this useful when doing lighting and sky stuff. https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1316164415912935574

[restive pulsar]

How did you get that working? Custom material.

[graceful iron]

Part of BetterRTX

modded mat.bin ig

[remote tree]

Nothing to do with custom entity materials, it's all programmed in the shader.

[restive pulsar]

Oh okay, nvm then.

[white willow]

Gahhh I've started a project I wanna share and talk about but it's not bedrock 😔

Is Minecraft related and graphics related but not bedrock 😔

[wise hinge]

[long ruin]

java shader

[white willow]

Yes 😔

I've had some pretty funny fails

I didn't think implementing a smooth sky transition would be so problematic also reworked the entire way my sky functions though so yea

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[white willow]

😔

[sonic canopy]

Java shader modding W

Excited to follow your progress over at shaderlabs btw

[white willow]

To be honest what I have right now is simple but it honestly doesn't look that bad. It reminds me of when deferred launched just... without that nuclear blue water that also had no translucency sorting for shadow maps. I mean I also don't have PBR or point lignting

When was deferred release? 1.20.30?

[sonic canopy]

1.20.30.20

[white willow]

I wanna compare what I have to how it was back then

Which my shader does utilize deferred lighting passes

[white willow]

welp 1.20.30.20 fails to load

sadge

[graceful iron]

Honestly, the winter drop blocks were probably the most fun blocks I’ve been able to make materials for in a hot second

Even made some progress on the deferred version

[still zenith]

For those who have been ambitious enough to experiment with modifying the internal rendering JSON files (e.g., point light parameters or the deferred_renderer.json parameters), have you modified sky_light_indirect_contribution_multiplier ? If so, what has been your experience and "preferred" value? Perhaps @white willow @quick beacon @sonic canopy @graceful iron @silent zealot @proud pike ?

[white willow]

i havent messed with this setting enough but ill definitely mess with it

[still zenith]

Our consensus internally is that the current tuning of that value is much too low in relation to the contribution of the sky probe / IBL, and we're planning on increasing it. I'm asking here to get a feel for if there is desire/need to allow it to be controlled per resource pack or not. 🙂 Any feedback/experience would be helpful.

FYI, this value being too low contributes to the following issues: a) sky reflections are currently desaturated and b) the sky box color tends to unnaturally, overly tint all materials on the ground (especially when in shadow) and c) directional shadow contrast is harsh and difficult to isolate with color grading

[quick beacon]

I can check for you!! ^^

Would you want me to give the values in here or DMs?

[white willow]

0.2 basically elminates all ibl application issues

[still zenith]

Either is fine

[white willow]

BUT it completely darkens the sky

[quick beacon]

If it's DMs, you would need to accept my friend request ^^'

[still zenith]

lol, I see what you did there. Ok friend. 🙂

[quick beacon]

:3

[white willow]

nvm this is on 0.2 it does not destroy my sky. i guess i just havent looked at my pack in a minute haha

[quick beacon]

What is the main cause of IBL being casted on everything?

[quick beacon]

Is that even normal?

[still zenith]

Our IBL isn't physically correct in all senses, the primary one being that it lacks any occlusion

[quick beacon]

Ooh

[white willow]

oh yeah. 0.2 seems to be perfect. id have to account for how bad the exposure seems to be hitting me

lemme try 0.3

[quick beacon]

Because if you have a super bright sky, you can see some blue (or your sky color) on surfaces that is exposed to the sky.

[still zenith]

The sky_light_indirect_contribution_multiplier value is only affecting the contribution that comes from the legacy Minecraft sky lighting, which is also not physically correct. This is where artistic tuning within a safe range comes into play. 🙂

[vague shoal]

What we talkin about 👀

[silent zealot]

😵‍💫 I've actually haven't touched deferred for the whole .50/.60 cycle because either my video settings are messed up or my configs messed up since my last public release. I keep getting super dark shadows: #1182091012177399809 message

[quick beacon]

Oooh. And I guess you guys can't change how vanilla's rendering work?

[pale urchin]

Previously in this channel, I mentioned it would be neat if ambient diffuse light was also calculated using IBLs

[white willow]

heres a really bad example of the applications btw. every block here is 255 roughness as well

[still zenith]

How we mix legacy Minecraft sky light, deferred sky reflections and deferred direct sky lighting.

[quick beacon]

That I think is sun glare or sun MIE cuasing that

[silent zealot]

But...I am picking it back up to experiment with normal maps instead of just heightmaps. Using haybale as my first victim.

[white willow]

nah cuz it wouldnt be applying fullscreen

[still zenith]

Agreed, that would be very neat. Perhaps some day.

[white willow]

only where the sun is

[vague shoal]

Interesting

Also how’s the optimizations going?

[pale urchin]

Also, since we're on the topic of adjusting internal values, SSR amirite?

[white willow]

yes

ive found the optimal fading distance was around 0.6-0.7 but ik others may disagreee

[quick beacon]

That value changed from 0.8 I think to 0.1 in the file

[still zenith]

This might actually fix that exact issue of your shadows being too dark. Even a value of 1.0 (that's the max) preserves shadows. Hopefully we can win you back with a fix in this area. 🙏

[still zenith]

Cruising right along 😎

[pale urchin]

I just set it all the way to 1.0, but are there any downsides to that?

[white willow]

uh no not that ive seen

[quick beacon]

"sky_light_indirect_contribution_multiplier": 0.1, is the default.

[white willow]

but the fading based on how far away something is, is a really cool feature i havent seen in SSR before

[quick beacon]

Which I guess this is the max? or is it 1.0?

[vague shoal]

Yippe!

[white willow]

i think that should stil be preserved

[long ruin]

[white willow]

0.3 indirect. shadows completely destroyed

[pale urchin]

Would increasing the sunlight do anything?

[white willow]

its already at 400

any more and the auto exposure is gonna affect things worse

[pale urchin]

400 doesn't sound like much for sunlight

[silent zealot]

👀 I think we should created a new post to consolidate this new experiment AJ wants us to try?

[white willow]

its not but any higher completely destroys lighting

i can go higher though

but shadow brightness seems to be a struggle in shaders. My shader had an issue with nonexistent shadows and it was because sky contribution was stupidly high

but my shader doesnt have IBL so i dont run into funky reflections

[still zenith]

So the screenshot above doesn't have IBL enabled?

[white willow]

oh no it does. im making a java edition shader haha

[still zenith]

Ah ok 👍

[quick beacon]

Experimenting with this value I think would be better if I disable my edits to the vanilla sky, haha

[white willow]

heres with 1200 sun brightness at 0.3 sky contribution

shadows are darker

[still zenith]

New channel: https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/1319380421519081544

[graceful iron]

What’s the current value at?

[white willow]

0.1

[graceful iron]

Really????

[white willow]

yea

[graceful iron]

what does it look like at 1 then

[rotund widget]

Looks like opening this forum up finally was the right move

[silent zealot]

Mojangsters could already make posts regardless if that's what you're referring to

[sonic canopy]

there are quite a bit less showcases now tho, and they have less engagement

[tribal trail]

Please remind me, this controlled the brightness of the shadows?

[tribal trail]

Ooooh

[white willow]

chat... radioactive grass

[tribal trail]

i miss showcase channel

[white willow]

cant wait for deferred caustics 😭

[tribal trail]

same

[vague shoal]

I can’t wait for better clouds/sky (i hope it happens)

[white willow]

messing with normals again

even more 3D feeling than before

[graceful iron]

I don’t know how to explain it, but the iron looks AI generated

Like the reflections and stuff

[white willow]

😭

its not ai generated

[white willow]

when in doubt, blame rtx

ig

[graceful iron]

Might look worse in deferred tbh

[white willow]

idk

lemme look

imo it looks better lmao

tbh deferred bloom looks alot better than RTXs bloom as well, which may also be why it looks a bit better

alos deferred doesnt have a boatload of denoising slapped onto it either

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705109747153502359/1319775052442632192/2024-12-20_16-16-04.mp4?ex=67672fcc&is=6765de4c&hm=7f99028d28b62ae01f75b222d50dccc7443ed6d4fac70afd5a372473e862965a&

[white willow]

😜

[quasi trench]

wow

[white willow]

[graceful iron]

Bent normals?

Almost looks like it has self shadows because of the way it curves

[white willow]

yep

simulated AO via bent normalmaps

ive also improved the crafting table pbr a good bit

[pale urchin]

That's really clever

[white willow]

yea. and it gives very neat results too

[pale urchin]

What's the resolution of each normal map?

[white willow]

128x

[pale urchin]

Ooh

How many blocks you plan to do with that

[white willow]

thats why they also kinda have the heightmap like effect

[white willow]

all if possible

the texture atlas should allow for that

[pale urchin]

Looking back at the crafting table, the tool normals look weird.

The saw for instance looks like its hand is inside the table and not extruding off it

[white willow]

yes........

im gonna correct this error

[white willow]

Yk what we need in deferred?

(We don't need this but would be a cool addition)

[white willow]

there we go

thanks for the feedback

last time i just made the heightmap from a tuned greyscale

i drew it out this time

im gonna make small adjustments now to make sure it looks where i want it to

[pale urchin]

Yeah it's definitely better. You can make it look like the tools aren't attached to the table by not having normals along the edge of tools meld into the tools

Like here.

[white willow]

might be tricky from the way the normals get created

[pale urchin]

The normal within the tool's pixels are fine, but the surrounding normals, not so much

[pale urchin]

Well if you can't do that, the other suggestion is poking that hole in. The one in the screenshot

It looks extruded compare to the saw handle

[white willow]

ill work on it as time goes on. its not the biggest issue right now

[white willow]

oh yeah that was intentional. i wanted that to look like it was a hook and the saw had a hole and its sitting on the hook

so the hook front pokes out the front of the saw

[pale urchin]

Ah, I see

[white willow]

i made sure the rest of the saw though was seated higher than the rest of the wood

these normals definitely make things feel VERY 3D i love it

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704786189944881203/1320275228579987561/2024-12-22_01-23-17.mp4?ex=676901a0&is=6767b020&hm=d04804c7f44cba34010c137ffd746e5d9bca0b739dd6596be7bbfc35e9efe932&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704786189944881203/1320275954651758662/2024-12-22_01-26-49.mp4?ex=6769024d&is=6767b0cd&hm=3e836beb3205b07e12372bb0d3748bdf5fefc88100503d701e2e1a0e102de226&

also i modified the caustics movement pattern to make them more wibbly wobbly. looks cool

oh and made them render brighter because they were oddly dark

[pale urchin]

@white willow how did you calculate the bent normals?

[white willow]

Substance has a node called bent normals. Just plug in my heightmap then adjust the creation settings and also since there's realtime preview in the program, I can fine tune it

[white willow]

this was a painful thing to fix but colored glass insides now appear correctly

(when i say painful i dont mean hard. it was very easy, just tedious)

also.. transparent shadowmapping.. please 😭

should also mention, specular is horribly messed up on translucents (its bad like this on ice too). when i use heightmaps its perfectly fine, but normals are broken horribly on any translucent

[quasi trench]

oooo

[tribal trail]

did you just change opacity and brightness of the base texture?

[white willow]

yea

thats it

i made the internals darker so their colors looked more correct because for some reason transparents get lighter

so i used a darker shade for the internal part

[silent zealot]

Whats with the blue tint on the hay bands?

[white willow]

the sky reflecting

the bands are metallic

[silent zealot]

Interesting choice.

[pale urchin]

I made a feedback post with suggestions to improve texture atlases. https://discord.com/channels/1138536747932864532/1320537147941458021

[white willow]

There's only one issue. I dont believe it can get better

And I forgot a prime reason why it's the size it is

AMD gpus

They don't support above that 16k atlas

No idea how they put stuff like raytracing on those cards and then don't support really high res textures but it is what it is

I'm not able to see the post so idk what your suggestion is but if it was anything along increasing size, likely not doable

Ok yeah this is good

Also Mer and normals/heightmaps should have their own atlas

[white willow]

There are some texture tiling issues on jungle and birch I need to sort out

[safe urchin]

what better rtx preset are you using

[white willow]

Infectious

[safe urchin]

can i add motion blur to it

[white willow]

I have a motion blur variant available

But it's only for manual download in the Minecraft RTX server

[safe urchin]

alr

thanks

[white willow]

nighttime underwater

praying for deferred underwater update soon

[white willow]

been giving some care to water in deferred. completely redone underwater lighting

[white willow]

will add some polish to these later down the road. but for just a rough addition, they arent too bad

[white willow]

deeplsate tiles

[white willow]

apparently this can happen

[quick beacon]

Strider Jockey

[graceful iron]

Real

[harsh iris]

that is... wonderful! 🫠

[rocky halo]

On the last preview the kelp doesn't have the opaque mode

Kinda weird

I hope it marks the end of the bedrock popping

[white willow]

Still happens in deferred

[rocky halo]

No but there are changes at this level on the lastest preview

It's one of the biggest bedrock graphical issues with animations

[white willow]

Well its cool to see it gone in vanilla. But it still happens in the other graphical modes so idk

[rocky halo]

No but it is even worse at the moment

[white willow]

It may not be intentional

[rocky halo]

But the fact that it changed is probably a good sign ?

They removed the opaque kelp so maybe we will have the transparent blocks that will render more than 30 blocks away

This popping exists since the beginning and should have been gone since a while

[dusty whale]

"So sorry, bro. I haven’t logged into Discord these past ten days and didn’t see your message."💀💀💀

[vague shoal]

Don’t matter now anyway

[drowsy lantern]

Velometric light source in hal shaders like deferred?

[sonic canopy]

Kind of yeah

[pseudo pawn]

apparently this can happen

[white willow]

POV you go a few blocks underwater and the lighting unloads itself

[pseudo pawn]

Uggghh so thats normal? Honestly today was my first day of playing around with deferred

Its kind of meh...

[white willow]

It's been an issue since deferred came out. They are aware of it and I imagine it's fix will come with the caustics update

[pseudo pawn]

Ah good to know, thanks!

[white willow]

Deferred is very pack dependent on the visuals

[pseudo pawn]

Really? I personally had the exact opposite feeling, that we dont have too much variety

[white willow]

Every pack I've messed with looks incredibly different from the last imo

Different skies, point light colors, water configs different color grading.

Each pack has its own unique feel. RTX to me felt mostly ambiguous

Where the main difference was just in PBR

And I'm sure once we get further customizations packs will feel even more different. Especially if clouds become really tunable

[pseudo pawn]

Mhhh are we able to change water settings depending on the biome?

[white willow]

Not yet but I believe we will be able to in the future

Per biome color grading would also be a W. Lemme make the pale garden dark and desaturated

[pseudo pawn]

Good call, until now I've mainly played around with water.. should try the others

[white willow]

I have two packs and both look very different haha

[pseudo pawn]

Yessss!! Thats one of the ideas I had, another would be to make swamp water dirtier while ocean water is practically see through

[white willow]

This is also what I would do. I used to do per biome water colors in my RTX pack but it was never well balanced so I just opted to use nice blue waters for most then swamp and mangrove had this dirty brown waters

Maybe if we get per biome water I'll bring it back

Just different engine

[pseudo pawn]

Nice! Since when is deferred even around?

[silent zealot]

Per biome everything.

[sonic canopy]

Per biome grading might be a problem when you terraform the world or build a base in-between biomes, so as you walk around the house your vision suddenly changes in different places

[white willow]

I didn't think of that

Further updating water.

[silent zealot]

Thats also an issue with water colpur or grass foliage 🤷 .

[sonic canopy]

True, also with fog. But it only affects certain blocks, and you can always just avoid them in your build. You can't avoid full screen post processing tho

[tribal trail]

old

new

[pseudo pawn]

honestly thats already a problem anyways with biome tinted blocks...

[sonic canopy]

It's more of a problem when your entire screen is tinted. At least you can avoid certain blocks in your builds, but you can't avoid rendering the entire game, other than maybe closing your eyes or turning deferred off XD

[white willow]

Yeah I didn't think about the downsides of per biome color grading

The idea is cool but like walking through a building and randomly losing all color likely wouldn't be fun

Biome block tinting while annoying for builds isn't like the entire saturation of the screen changing

[sonic canopy]

It's also spatially consistent, blocks at different locations are tinted differently instead of all blocks everywhere changing colors as you move between biomes, while I imagine color grading, much like fog, will affect the entire game at the same time. That being said, I think this might be possible to partially fix, by introducing smarter biome transitions. Like you have to not only be at specific X and Z coordinates, but also be surrounded by biome specific things, like grass, trees, flowers, water etc.

[white willow]

It seems the way it's applied right now is like upon entering the biome it just calls a smooth step function

Which gives it that nice fade in/out but it's necessarily precise

[pseudo pawn]

that fading definitely needs to exist

[white willow]

I agree

If it didn't it would have problems lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732645061447254086/1319005365022494760/2024-12-18_13-18-13.mp4?ex=677191f8&is=67704078&hm=1c630e4d9168bdccac7f8c21c4c3f1dcf6c93b44263f2bc11d670bdc0e660f68&

Stuff like this would happen

[pseudo pawn]

think about biome bound waves, we'd have strong waves in oceans and smaller waves in rivers

while there are no waves in other bodies of water

[white willow]

Now what would be cool is if they found a way for this to work in world space and be performant

So it was biome dependent but you could see the differences without having to be in that biome

Doubt it would be doable and be performant though

[sonic canopy]

World space fog and waves would be soo epic. Tho doing that with color grading might be a little tricky

[white willow]

Yeah. Color grading I'm not too worried about

But if we could get world space fog and water. Id be over joyed

But mobile would be a concern likely

[pseudo pawn]

btw does anyone know how one can get back the old water texture in deferred? Id prefer to give my blob of water some surface texture qwq
like the regular water texture here

[sonic canopy]

Wanted to share some examples of vl rendering in bedrock - screenshots of an unreleased BRTX renderer shader. Both the shader and the screenshots were made by John (BetterRTX dev).

[quick beacon]

Wow

[white willow]

This would be amazing to have

I've seen something like this done by the Kappa shader in Java

It has these mist spheres that are around at early day and play ontop of the volumetric fog already available

It's very cool

I'd love to look into this stuff for when I make my shader more advanced but atm even simple things are incredibly hard for me to do right now so yea

[pseudo pawn]

that looks amazing!

[graceful iron]

Wow

[quasi trench]

this is absolutely INCREDIBLE

[vague shoal]

Insane

[vague shoal]

Why does bare bones Java shader look better than deferred 💀

[vague shoal]

CUSTOM CLOUDS?

[white willow]

it does not 💀 but if you wanna think that sure

[vague shoal]

It’s just how the blocks look

It looks so different

Than the shading on the blocks in deferred

Eh idk

Perhaps its cause we don’t have ao yet

[white willow]

I don't have AO either

Perhaps it's just shadow mapping technique idk

Deferred uses CSM which is much more modern. Mine uses an older technique shadow distortion. My shader also has no physically based rendering

It's literally as bare bones as it gets

[safe urchin]

BRTX, Plague's infectious preset with reforged rtx pack

[drowsy lantern]

Is this osbes shader?

[sonic canopy]

No, it's this one https://github.com/veka0/Rainy-Day-shader

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327203882180542484/1099288589470281728/Screen_Recording_20230422_125733.mp4?ex=67727d47&is=67712bc7&hm=ad378da0c2170f33c08d2bebc6065dd93901eef8a19817da4193380081e4f70f&

[earnest sierra]

That looks sick

[humble drift]

Is this osbes shader?

[earnest sierra]

I think he said what it was in the message above 😭

[sonic canopy]

no path tracing shaders for you this christmas

[tribal trail]

old

new

[drowsy lantern]

Hal shader are great and optimized for low end devices
Why mojang remove it?

[proud pike]

Short answer, RTX

[mossy verge]

Slightly long answer, Ray Tracing

[drowsy lantern]

Rtx add to bedrock in 1.16
Hal shaders remove after 1.18.12
and minecraft poket edition doesn't support RTX now
They remove hal shader from mobile for rtx only in pc?

[white willow]

The more proper answer is render dragon. Render dragon has more capabilities to bring even better visuals than what was possible then via real time rendering

Sure the performance is worse on lower end devices but tech is advancing. It happens

[white willow]

1.18.2 is when render dragon was fully introduced to the whole game. Renderdragon in general is just more optimized and also allows the devs more freedom to create what they want on the graphics end of things

But the endless debate between HAL and RD is just so old and overplayed

[white willow]

Yk what I just realized it, my shadowmaps technically don't have a max range, they just get more biased the farther out they go. And my shadows are at 4096 compared to deferreds 2048. deferreds shadows cap out at 128 blocks which is a little funky but it is what it is I guess

That's likely why the shading looks a bit "better"

[pseudo pawn]

mhh particles look weird...

[humble drift]

Oh thanks

Stop

😭

Huh

[long ruin]

[long ruin]

[vague shoal]

3d models in deferred but not custom clouds?

because i can’t use shaders

[white willow]

3D models have also been doable well before deferred even existed sooooooooo

[vague shoal]

it’s a joke

but still

get those goofy ahh clouds out of deferred

anything but what they currently look like in deferred rn

buh

[proud pike]

[proud pike]

Maintaing 2 different renderers for the same game on different platforms doesn't make much sense

If you still want to use HAL you could just get the accidental HAL build in 1.21.51.01

[humble drift]

polymesh is older than you bro

[vague shoal]

Been having this deferred volumetric fog problem since the start

They kinda look like volumetric clouds

That kept me thinking what if mojang could add volumetric clouds to deferred using volumetric fog

[proud pike]

They don't, bro it's not that big of a deal.

[quasi trench]

just a bug

[tribal trail]

They don't

You are delulu

[drowsy lantern]

It's upscaling not bug

[vague shoal]

If you shape them correctly you can

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

being delulu is not a solulu

[vague shoal]

Ik it’s a bug but maybe moyang can turn it into a feature

[proud pike]

[white willow]

Its literally just ghosting with fog 😭

[pale urchin]

No. No they can't

[white willow]

I don't want ghosting as a "feature"

[tribal trail]

you want mojang to make random fog blobs into a feature?

[vague shoal]

No I meant make proper volumetric clouds

[long ruin]

Never

[gaunt sparrow]

[pseudo pawn]

opinions?

[vague shoal]

Like I said I can’t cause I’m on iOS

[gaunt sparrow]

awsome let go

[white willow]

I havent been doing too much bedrock edition stuff lately but heres a little bit of what ive been cooking

[gaunt sparrow]

wow 👏that cool

[quasi trench]

it’s… it’s beautiful

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[pale urchin]

Wouldn't it be really cool if height maps had bent normals automatically generated?

[white willow]

Yes. It would make them so much better. But then again I think the point of heightmaps is to be a simple starting point

[pale urchin]

I think they are meant to be treated just as importantly as the other pbr textures. All depends on your style preference

[white willow]

I mean what's great about them is if you don't have access to professional tools or ways to make normals, or know how to draw them, they don't have this barrier for people who want to come in and learn this stuff

[pale urchin]

I mean, even if you know how to draw normal maps, if you want the heightmap style, replicating it with normal maps will cost you a lot more texture space

[pale urchin]

Speaking of which, is just me or does the texture stop being pixelated at some point of size?

[white willow]

The more quality you pump in the less it resembles the original. It's weird to think about

You can still have a style like this and remain pixelated though

It just involves using two normals. A mix of high and low res ones

[humble drift]

Bad

[humble drift]

400k polygons

[gaunt sparrow]

so cool

[quasi trench]

screenshots of Vanilla Reforged by QuirkyPlague that I took on my phone running on completely maxed out settings(I would have tried to take these on ps5 pro for 4K, however it does not seem to load properly; only shows as a grey screen when i load into a world with this pack)

the detail is insane, and will only grow from here

when/if the pack works on playstation ill display it in 4k glory

[quasi trench]

update: these ss arent from the latest pack

[gaunt sparrow]

👀👏

[raven verge]

how to render 2 models in 1 rendercontroller

[fast elk]

Wait what 15 fps on a iPhone 16 pro, I didn’t even know phones are this powerful

[proud pike]

locked 60 fps on my M4 iPad Pro, doesn’t get much better than this for portable gaming devices

[quasi trench]

i have an iphone 15 pro max and the phone was throttled in those pictures so its not peak performance

i wonder if an external fan or something would work, since ice cubes dont seem to be doing much

at best got me 1-2 more fps

[graceful copper]

xd

rich people

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/take-it-take-this-take-this-money-you-wanna-more-ha-do-you-wanna-more-gif-19004472

[proud pike]

[tribal trail]

my soul need dof in deferred

[fast elk]

When will 1.3 be available?

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[quasi trench]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d5cgWOVOMuk

this pack works on PS5 Pro now

in 4K max settings glory

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-computer-smile-yellow-smile-surprised-gif-26981337

[harsh iris]

is this Minecraft?

I wish I knew English to express my level of surprise at that moment

[safe urchin]

Better rtx - Prizma rtx

[tribal trail]

Oof it looks bad with default preset and no fog

Can't wait to release my preset

[wise hinge]

W sunset

[vague shoal]

Close enough, welcome back waving foliage

[gaunt sparrow]

https://x.com/blueisviolet/status/1876937396362580040?t=EKi9LoBHOJ0weBbPe9eCHQ&s=33

blue nugroho (@blueisviolet) on X

@2020Hollingerm xbox has standalone traversal
not used yet it is on GDKX
people that think know xbox but never actually read GDKX or even believe what they said on Hotchip.
this architect is now AMD/Intel/siFive VP
traversal is 80% of RT cost if traversal not on RDNA2 it will be smile

Twitter · Jan 8, 2025, 10:22 AM

[vague shoal]

Waving leaves when

[pale urchin]

Did anything change here?

[tribal trail]

not really, deferred looks the same

but leaves are fixed at least

[vague shoal]

Insane

Imagine better looking clouds with this

Perfection

[tribal trail]

probably it woudl make my pack even better

[vague shoal]

Definitely

[tribal trail]

and if they would make clouds customizable i would make them pink, fluffy and cute like here

[vague shoal]

I’d say they will be customizable to the color of your choice

[tribal trail]

you can change clouds color even now, but it looks bad when its night time

[graceful iron]

Wreck it Ralph real

[pale urchin]

What?

[tribal trail]

nothing

🤷‍♀️

[quick beacon]

SSR doesn't exist by the looks of it

[tribal trail]

what

[tribal trail]

ssr works fine for me

[earnest sierra]

It doesn’t for Poggy which is weird

[tribal trail]

🤷‍♀️

[white willow]

um did they update the specular lighting because omg

[tribal trail]

yeah i noticed that too

[white willow]

specular highlights look so much better now

unless they adjusted bloom

[vague shoal]

I knew it

Unannounced deferred goodie

[white willow]

its a small one but a nice one

likely all a part of their optimization

stuff like "oh we improved lighting on reflective materials" isnt the most important thing to mention

i think... we mightve gotten more than just specular updates

lemme investigate

yea no nothing else

1.21.60.24

1.21.60.25

[quick beacon]

looks the same to me

[sonic canopy]

Deferred now supports stencil buffer! Which means packs that implement cool stencil based effects are now less broken more supported. Tho unfortunately it looks like it doesn't support DisableColorWrite in material configuration, which still breaks certain effects

[quick beacon]

no idea what this means qwq

also my SSR don't work for whatever reason

[sonic canopy]

Basically portal effect and outlines are somewhat possible in deferred now, tho more advanced VFX need DisableColorWrite to function correctly, so that we can manipulate depth and stencil values without affecting color

[white willow]

i may be insane but... does sss and volumetric fog look better lol

idk something about deferred looks better and i cant exactly pin what

aside from the better specular

The shadowmaps too look better

[vague shoal]

Ooo

Perhaps they shadow dropped a lot of bug fixes today

[white willow]

idk but something definitely looks better than before

the main one i can confirm is updates to specular reflection

shadowmap quality im like pretty sure is better. i dont remember leaves being clean like this

[quick beacon]

Hey is that LD?

qwq

[white willow]

yes the version you sent me to test if it was your pack not having ssr

[vague shoal]

YIPPE

Funny how we were just talking about that the other day

[quick beacon]

no blue on grass

[white willow]

working on some neat stuff with the new per biome colors. still very sad about no spruce or birch support right now

should mention the orange and red is only for mega and redwood taigas. blends better with the podzol present

i also gave these biomes their own fog to match their new foliage style

[odd hemlock]

It looks very nice 🐢❤️

[white willow]

thank you! itd be a lot better if we copuld customize spruce and birch leaves with this new feature 😭

but its a start

(excuse the java screenshot) but something like this is definitely what id wanna do for sure

of course it wouldnt be able to be done per tree like this (well if i did custom tree gen then maybe) but yk just something to spice it up a bit

[gaunt sparrow]

is ray tracing geting better

[vague shoal]

No but deferred is

[white willow]

no they havent touched raytracing in like 2 years

[gaunt sparrow]

okay

[sonic canopy]

Community is making it better tho, through unofficial mods

[white willow]

so ive just noticed that stars are now included in ibl reflection.

its very hard to see though

unless this has always been a thing, ive literally never seen it

nvm they always reflected

ive just never seen it

but we can confirm one new thing at lesat which is what im calling "bloomy specular"
heres 1.21.60.25

1.21.60.24

[faint snow]

I swear brighter stars would look so much better

[white willow]

emissive stars please 🙏

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[graceful iron]

BetterRTX real

[quasi trench]

my phone is now hitting about 40fps when everything is on max settings except fog is medium and resolution is 33%

of 2796x1290

when being pushed to the limit with completely maxed out settings, it’s peaking at about 13fps compared to 9fps last preview

these numbers are all after throttling has occurred

[gaunt sparrow]

cool

[graceful iron]

(Based off of Poggy’s falling leaves method)

[pale urchin]

It would be really cool if we could add global particles without modifying the player json

[wise hinge]

pigpig

[graceful iron]

tf

I thought you were using my skin for a sec

[lapis finch]

is entity pbr for rtx a thing?

[sonic canopy]

Nope

[graceful iron]

No, but it technically works (because of a bug, but it’s not predictable)

[lapis finch]

thanks for elaborating

[sonic canopy]

We could add PBR support with a custom texture format into RTX mods tho... Like e.g. having all PBR textures on the same texture, like some HAL shaders did

[remote tree]

We would need access to a persistent texture index though. Replacing the sunlight colour or intensity LUT maybe?

[sonic canopy]

Why would you need that?

I think all PBR channels for each texture can be baked into that texture. E.g. some entity texture would have at pixel 0 0 some special value, that defines a custom PBR texture (so that you won't treat any random textures as having PBR), then you can just either add more special pixels, to describe which channels are available and what their UVs/scales are or just assume that they are always present and have the same resolution. Then you can easily remap the UVs for each texture, based on overall texture resolution and resolutions of each PBR layer

No need to make a new atlas if that's what you're saying

Can also bake that UV data somewhere (UV data or PBR data buffers) so that you don't have to read texture pixels all the time

[remote tree]

We tried something similar to that for entities at one point actually, but I think our math was wrong. We transformed the albedo uv coordinates, scaled vertically by 1/2 and used the bottom half of the texture to store MER

Textures stopped properly scaling to geometry after that, for any entities that were using alpha-test iirc

Actually it might've had something to do with the alpha test hit logic during ray traversal

I don't think it was changed accordingly

I was just thinking it'd be useful to use an atlas separated from the textures of entities/blocks/items

[gaunt sparrow]

yeah

[graceful iron]

catto

[wise hinge]

[white willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215006221103272006/1327106285392367766/2025-01-09_21-45-54.mp4?ex=6782844a&is=678132ca&hm=6fc9afde814a7e37c5929a940eb57c73447ade0830335be206c99235e0ac9db6&

i think this is the best im gonna be able to get unwanted sky reflections

but my sky (horizon specifically) looks awful

so it still needs a lot of work

[silent zealot]

Now that deferred has been mostly focused on optimizations, what is the best ingame time in your opinion to take screenshots. Can just give name or the specific time like 16000.

[white willow]

Most of mine I take at 0, 1000, 3000, 12500 and 14000

1000 is typically the best in my opinion for daytime shots though

[silent zealot]

And for night time? Would you say 14000?

[white willow]

Yea I use either 14000 or 15000

But that's because I have my sky transition to another color at 15000

[iron moon]

Keep dreaming

[graceful iron]

day

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