Graphics General

[unreal venture]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just removed it outright

[white willow]

I hope not. I think both can coexist despite RTXs problems

Deferred would have to be insane in the quality department

And it's getting there

[remote tree]

I've turned it on through BetterRTX. At the moment the texture paths are misaligned and so most entities don't properly display the right MER textures.

[white willow]

Ah so I did remember correctly

[tribal trail]

Omg that's me

Hi me

[graceful iron]

real

[vague shoal]

where is this from?

no wonder sdgp was canceled

[proud pike]

Minecraft RTX discord server

[proud pike]

Hmm I see

[white willow]

Here's an updated sample deferred pack. it contains the core deferred files, more essential vanilla files (like flipbook textures json, terrain texture json, and biomes client json. Does not include vanilla textures), includes the folders for the colormap (and colormap textures if you want to edit them), the entity textures folder, and the block textures folder, contains a sample texture set file. Each deferred specific file (color grading, water, global lighting, and fog have detailed descriptions of what each setting does. this allows new creators to not have to entirely rely on the docs as much and just jump into those specific settings). if theres a better section to put this please let me know

[crude delta]

why didnt mojang just drop dx and use vulkan instead.

it works on every platform and supports all the new features

mojang is weird

[graceful iron]

It’d probably take too much time to rewrite the whole rendering engine.

[white willow]

cursed rough parallax water

why did i do this? idk

the resolution is actually so bad

[harsh iris]

#1182091012177399809 message

[sonic canopy]

If you want to make deferred graphics packs
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/gettingstarteddeferredlighting?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable
If you want to make shaders
https://veka0.github.io/lazurite/guide/
https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders/docs/start.html

[harsh iris]

wow... that was the closest to raytracing I've ever gotten
my phone is dying but i loved it

[grim shale]

Curious what settings you have set

[harsh iris]

everything at low/off

where can i download more rp with pbr?

[silent zealot]

Whose did you use?

[harsh iris]

Okay, I got a .bin file, now what?

[sonic canopy]

Install them. This page describes a few methods https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders/shaders/installation/start.html
But I'll add one more, on windows you can also install shaders by replacing internal .bin files in the regular game installation (without any 3rd party launchers) by using iobit ulocker software which would allow you to override internal protected files and replace them with your modified ones

The most straightforward way to install shaders would be via BetterRenderDragon dll mod

[harsh iris]

so i need a modded version of the game?

[sonic canopy]

What's your platform where you wish to run shader? Android?

[harsh iris]

android

[sonic canopy]

Then yeah. You either need a modded version which enables loading shaders (material.bin files) from resource packs or you can directly modify apk on your own by replacing its internal bin files with your custom ones

[harsh iris]

ok, this is the part where i give up

maybe I'll do it on another phone

[sonic canopy]

Yeah... Unfortunately shaders aren't officially supported so working with them is a huge pain, and installation is probably the biggest roadblock currently.

Modded apk is installed as a separate app btw, it won't overwrite your main installation

So you don't have to worry about your existing worlds, packs etc as that would be a separate app alongside your main unmodded mc

If you want to just experiment with shaders, I can recommend trying out 1.18.12 as it had shaders "officially" and they're also very straightforward to make, you just put your shader code in plain text into resource packs and it just works

[harsh iris]

What else can I do with global.json?

[white willow]

Whatever is in the file is all that's possible rn

New uscaling settings

Set to 50% by default

[proud pike]

nice

[white willow]

Native upscaling is so crispy

My phone however does NOT like it

[sonic canopy]

I hope via UI editing we can set it to 100% or above, to have larger framebuffers for shader dev purposes

[white willow]

Native would be 100%

Wouldn't it

[vague shoal]

New clouds in deferred when

[sonic canopy]

No native disables upscaling completely

[white willow]

Native would just be using TAA then

[sonic canopy]

I think not

[white willow]

It looks antialiased still

[sonic canopy]

Actually, does it have TAA visibly on native?

[white willow]

Cuz the AA settings don't work in deferred

[sonic canopy]

As previously when you disabled upsacling, it just wouldn't upscale, so you won't get AA

[white willow]

This image is on native upscaling

It looks anti aliased

It looks like it's a DLAA type situation

But TAA

[quick beacon]

What language are we talking?

[sonic canopy]

Looks aliased to me

[white willow]

I'm gonna test on pc rn

[quick beacon]

Wait, what do they use for upscaling?

[white willow]

TAAU

[quick beacon]

Oh

[white willow]

It would be nice to see FSR 3.1 implemented but its better than nothing

and the current upscaling isnt too bad

[proud pike]

TAA is still bad

[quick beacon]

Let me use that AMD frame generation!

[proud pike]

really bad

[white willow]

The end goal would hopefully be to have many forms of selectable upscaling

DLSS, FSR, XESS and TAA

[proud pike]

i hope

[white willow]

DLSS is already in the game. just update it to 3.7 or whatever its on

[quick beacon]

😔 or let me generate frames

[white willow]

then make it work with deferred (ik its not that easy but its so much better than taa please)

[oak thicket]

Taa is anti aliasing

[proud pike]

the TAAU implementation is locked down behind material.bin files, if it was implemented like DLSS is for RTX we would have been able to replace it.

[oak thicket]

Dont compare it to dlss or fsr

[proud pike]

TAA is antialiasing but TAAU is an upscaler based on TAA.

[sonic canopy]

On the other hand, the fact that it;s implemented with material bin fles means that we can mod it

[white willow]

I've never enjoyed FG. its always felt terrible every time ive used it. Even DLSS FG felt like garbage

[proud pike]

no one has taken on that :P

[white willow]

aw dang it, is the update not on windows yet

[proud pike]

dunno what would it even take to add something like FSR through material.bin files

[white willow]

or is my launcher broken after it decided to reset all my files for the funnies

[proud pike]

welp all my attempts to update BetterRD for the latest MC version have been a fail :p

i can't find the right hex values

if i knew where to find the right value i would have updated BetterRD already

[sonic canopy]

Another nail into the coffin of bedrock shaders

[proud pike]

rip

[sonic canopy]

Oop looks like we got a new file in the renderer folder, brdf_lut.png. It's used in IBL reflection computations

[quick beacon]

I don't know what that means but I'll pretend I know what it means.

[white willow]

brdf stuff now?

[sonic canopy]

Also resolution_configs folder with json

[white willow]

actually i have no idea what that would do if its for reflections

[proud pike]

👀

[white willow]

but it would be cool to eventually be able to configue that

[sonic canopy]

It's probably not something that you should be able to configure, as it's generated with specific algorithms

But it's nice that we can replace it with anything we want, for shader modding

[silent zealot]

Expose the algo via molang

[proud pike]

mojang doing everything but not supporting shaders natively :P

[sonic canopy]

Here are the new renderer files

[proud pike]

would setting the value above 1.0 actually force the game to downscale the rendered frames down to native res?

[white willow]

supersampling?

is that the right word for that

[proud pike]

yeah that

[white willow]

what is this

is that the brdf thingy they just added

[sonic canopy]

That image? Yeah

[white willow]

interesting

[silent zealot]

Strawberry?

[sonic canopy]

This is how that texture is used in shader source, if anyone's interested.

[quick beacon]

No clue what this is.

[white willow]

interesting. do you know what this helps with?

[sonic canopy]

Might be used to fix the intense reflections bug, and potentially to somewhat stylize reflections, and do something similar to toon shading

[quick beacon]

Oh

[sonic canopy]

But it'd be probably very hard to do, as you'd need the knowledge to write a script that can correctly generate that texture

[safe urchin]

aajabrams is typing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975669020374216734.webp?size=48

[still zenith]

Hi all! The brdf_lut texture is an optimization and a bug fix. We were generating it during the first frame of a level before, but there were scheduling problems (the intense reflections bug) sometimes and also the texture never changes. Sooooo we exported it and made it a static texture asset. No more runtime generation. 🙂

[white willow]

oh nice

[quick beacon]

Can we see this in this week's preview?

[white willow]

i guess while its on my mind. Does Native upscaling just disable upscaling or does it use TAA as an anti aliasing method

[silent zealot]

...

In simple terms -> Algorithm doesnt change so we made it static?

[still zenith]

It's in this week's preview, yes. But it won't look any different. Should just be more stable.

[quick beacon]

Ahh, okay!

[still zenith]

That piece of the reflections pipeline at least, yes.

[quick beacon]

Only IBL right?

I think that's the one with the sky reflections qwq

[still zenith]

We leverage it for both IBL and SSR

[quick beacon]

oooo

[sonic canopy]

But not point lights?

[still zenith]

Not point lights, no.

[white willow]

wait, the intense reflection, was that the sky just being reflected on literally everything turning blocks blue and stuff

[sonic canopy]

I think that refers to the issue of the entire world becoming reflective, like with that classic RTX bug

[harsh iris]

Is the "resolution" option only for Raytracing?

[harsh iris]

I found one called Vanilla-RTX on gitbub

[white willow]

this is for deferred

[quick beacon]

That's for deferred.

[harsh iris]

What is your device? '-'

[white willow]

iphone 13 pro in that video

[harsh iris]

hm, I can't find that option

[white willow]

did you update your game yet?

thats only available in the update that released like an hour ago

[harsh iris]

I didn't do it, but I'm going to do it right now

[harsh iris]

from 16-19 fps to 28 fps, now i can move properly

[tribal trail]

i can recommend my own, it's called prizma deferred

[sonic canopy]

Yup can confirm, TAAU doesn't run at native resolution

[pale urchin]

Same

[harsh iris]

Does upscaling make the render time faster?

[sonic canopy]

Yes

[pale urchin]

Now what happens when it's above 1.0?

[harsh iris]

🤔

[sonic canopy]

Testing

I hope it works 🤞

[proud pike]

[sonic canopy]

0.1 scale

[proud pike]

💀

[sonic canopy]

Ok yeah based on my framerate, values above 1 are also functional

[proud pike]

time to run deferred at 8K

[pale urchin]

But does it look like super sampling?

[sonic canopy]

Actually, it doesn't even run upscaling shaders, it just renders at the specified resolution, which is then naturally downscaled during bloom blend pass

The fact that it doesn't run upscaling shaders for above 1 scale means that there is no TAA

[pale urchin]

By the way, I tried making more client biome files, but it's not doing anything

And changing the sky colour for the end does nothign too

[sonic canopy]

Try editing vanilla packs directly

[pale urchin]

That's what I'm doing

I wonder if it has any other components. There's just sky colour

[sonic canopy]

Ok looks like if you want TAA at native resolution (or as close to it as possible), you have to set the scale to 0.99999994

[sonic canopy]

I will check

[harsh iris]

pov: my vision

[crude flare]

it looks like a painting kinda lol

[harsh iris]

oil on canvas?

[crude flare]

yeah

that

[sonic canopy]

Hey, just wanted to follow up on that since this change will release next week with 1.21.30, are there any updates that you can share regarding source code? It would be nice to have a general idea of what to expect moving forward (if anything) regarding shader source.

[harsh iris]

tinted glass doesn't work with pbr?

[pale urchin]

it does sort of. It just doesn't have that pretty transmission/refraction effect like RTX

[pale urchin]

Yup

[harsh iris]

Is it possible to make mirrors?

[proud pike]

no

[harsh iris]

because it is not possible, or because it has not yet been implemented?

[white willow]

It's possible just not with glass

Glass can't cast reflections.. and the reflections created from a mirror in deferred will not be as good as one found in like RTX

As reflections don't work offscreen

[harsh iris]

This just reflects the sun, does it have anything to do with this offscreen thing?

[sonic canopy]

Did you use 0 roughness and max metalness?

You also have to set reflections to max I think, for SSR to function

Yeah just checked, SSR only works on ultra on android

And don't edit glass blocks, it has to be an opaque block for reflections to work

[harsh iris]

yes

[harsh iris]

ok

[harsh iris]

worked

Did I do something wrong?

[sonic canopy]

Did you use fully white texture for the base block color?

[harsh iris]

🙂‍↕️

[white willow]

Now it's just the really poor SSR range 😭

[harsh iris]

Does this block I just made also work with rtx? (just changing the manifest)

[sonic canopy]

Yes

[harsh iris]

oh, nice

[sonic canopy]

Here's a simple mirror block, with deferred and RTX

{
  "format_version": "1.16.100",
  "minecraft:texture_set": {
    "color": [255, 255, 255, 255],
    "metalness_emissive_roughness": [255, 0, 0]
  }
}```

[harsh iris]

nice

is there rtx for samsung?

I'm slow about these things

[white willow]

No

[harsh iris]

hm, ok

[sonic canopy]

RTX is only available on windows

and requires a powerful RTX-capable GPU

[harsh iris]

What calculates the light transport, the game or the gpu?

I mean, is the GPU necessary to speed up the process, or is it necessary because it handles the rendering?

[sonic canopy]

shaders are programs that execute on the GPU and they do all the lighting calculations. RTX-capable GPU is needed here because it has hardware ray tracing acceleration, which basically means you can perform raycasts against the scene very very fast. Technically hardware acceleration is not necessary and you could run the same calculations on basically any GPU, but they will be much slower. Unfortunately due to the way BRTX works, you just can't turn it on if you don't have a GPU with hardware RT acceleration, but even if you could, it'd probably run at 0.1 fps or less on mobile

You could however make custom shaders that modify deferred or regular pipeline and would be able to run basic form of ray tracing, but it would be quite slow and limited in comparison to regular BRTX. Here's an example of a shader that I made which modifies deferred pipeline by adding voxelized path tracing https://youtu.be/x4IqwdnBg7w

[harsh iris]

I understand, if only the price was affordable.

[long ruin]

same

[harsh iris]

I liked it

[long ruin]

20/70 vision sucks

[brave torrent]

Any information on the client_biome thing?

[quick beacon]

That has nothing to do with deferred afaik. Just useful resource pack stuff.

But it is esentially the same as biome_client.json but with each biome having it's own file and more settings I think.

[silent zealot]

We only have the file. Though its more a resource pack thing than deferred. Check #1283452758581706772

[quick beacon]

There is a chance they'll use this for deferred for their biome-based stuff with tone mapping and water.

[brave torrent]

aahhhh okay, i really want to mess around with that stuff but i don't know how to properly implement it into my resource pack

[quick beacon]

But I am not too sure.

[sonic canopy]

I will be looking into the schema of this file soon enough

[white willow]

Something like this for water would be such a w

[silent zealot]

That can be said for any new resource pack stuff, but currently it is unuseable and its for resoruce packs only

Also the water will ilkely be in its own folder

[quick beacon]

Most likely, yea.

[harsh iris]

So... how do I make my block emit light?

[white willow]

I needs to be assigned a point light

[harsh iris]

ok, but how?

[sonic canopy]

And it also needs to be a light source without deferred, so e.g. you can't make a glowing dirt because dirt doesn't emit light if you turn off deferred

[harsh iris]

do i have to do this in global.json?

[harsh iris]

I mean, I went into my block's json and set the light emission level to 15, but how do I make the light a specific color?

[sonic canopy]

I'm exactly sure if it currently works for custom blocks, I'd try it on vanilla light source first just to see if what you're doing is working

Point lights were broken for custom blocks, and I'm not certain if this was fixed or not

[harsh iris]

That must be it, since the green channel of the MER texture makes the block glow, but not emit light

or am I just talking nonsense

[sonic canopy]

No, emissive texture and point light are different things

Here are the docs for adding point lights to blocks https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/minecraft/creator/documents/deferredlighting/lightingcustomization?view=minecraft-bedrock-stable#point-lights

Only a block which is already a light source without deferred can have point lights added to it, however any block can use emissive texture which will only create an appearance of glow but won't emit any light onto surroundings

[harsh iris]

oh, I see, it works now

[sonic canopy]

We can now change ambient lighting color in deferred pipeline

Here it is with green

[brave torrent]

Any information on the client_biometric stuff now? I can't wait to see what i can do with that stuff

[silent zealot]

#1283452758581706772

[harsh iris]

Is it possible to change the color emitted using script?

[sonic canopy]

No

The most you can do is replace blocks with different blocks.

[silent zealot]

Technically

[sonic canopy]

Or change block state maybe? To have a greater light level, as it affects the glow brightness (e.g. 3 candles will shine brighter than 1)

but idk if scripts can do that

[silent zealot]

Have a crap ton of permutations that changes the blocks texture colour/brightness

[sonic canopy]

This is gonna make such a big difference for biome specific visuals

[silent zealot]

Huge prep for custom biomes

[sonic canopy]

It'd allow to somewhat emulate GI by choosing the right color depending on fog, skybox and overall biome color

[white willow]

This is very cool. Will play around with this for sure

[quasi trench]

oooo

[quasi trench]

i miss path tracing shader

[rotund widget]

Usable in all biomes right now?

[silent zealot]

Yes

Except the end(?)

[rotund widget]

Okay, neat.

[sonic canopy]

I'll duplicate it here as well

One important thing to note is that the color for deferred ambient lighting is authored in linear space, not in sSRB like we're used to, so the colors that it uses might be a little off. To correct for that, you could raise the color values in 0-1 range into 2.2 power to convert them from srgb to linear space. For example, I want to represent the following color accurately 255, 128, 0 (1st screenshot), I'd do the following sequence of operations for each color channel round(255*((x/255)^2.2)) which results in this color [255, 56, 0]. 2nd screenshot is using that gamma corrected color while the 3rd one just uses [255, 128, 0].

This is likely to change with updates as it doesn't make much sense for that color to be in linear space, but that's just something to keep in mind if you plan to use that feature in your deferred packs

[pale urchin]

This may be a long shot, but does changing the sky colour have any effect for nether biomes in vanilla or deferred?

[quick beacon]

Based on some stuff I have seen, the performance for deferred appears to be much better. I casually get like 100-150FPS. Usually it'd be 50-70FPS. But, could just be me.

[white willow]

Haven't tested on pc yet

But I'm normally getting 90-120 so

If it's higher that's kinda cool

[white willow]

Actually, I think the base upscaling resolution is now defaulted lower than before

[quick beacon]

I'm not using any upscaling

[white willow]

Oh

[quick beacon]

I have it on native

[white willow]

Then yeah perf is probably better

[white willow]

Wait... changing the ambient lighting color of the nether??? Is that possible

[quick beacon]

You can try

has to be a biome identifier

[white willow]

upscaling at near native res. this is basically what deferred would look like if AA worked 😭

[harsh iris]

-# I like the look of Aliasing

[harsh iris]

nevermind, it's happening to all blocks.

[sonic canopy]

It probably happens due to subsufrace scattering in your pbr pack and lack of shadows for point lights. The latter can be fixed by increasing point light and point light shadow quality

[harsh iris]

I can notice that it has gotten darker, but still

[tribal trail]

Turn on point light shadows

[harsh iris]

everything is on ultra

[pale urchin]

What's going on? What's the ghost point light?

[harsh iris]

a buried light-emitting block

[pale urchin]

That is weird. Not only should the ground be in the light's shadow, but it's also facing away from the light

Unless,

Ah I think I know what's going on. That could be tinting from block light

[harsh iris]

🙂?

[pale urchin]

Not sure how I can explain this. I don't have time to rn either

[harsh iris]

I don't know the keywords to search for this

[normal tapir]

Nvidia overrated tbh

[harsh iris]

maybe, but I don't agree so much.

[elfin locust]

Is it possible so that places with no illumination like caves are not completely dark in deferred?

[white willow]

Raise your brightness or bring torches. I'm sure there will be improvements to this issue later down the line but for now that's all you can do

[elfin locust]

Damn

So if there's no torches there's no basic ambiance lightning?

[white willow]

Doesn't seem that way rn.. nether has the same issue

[elfin locust]

I guess it is either having some light source or seeing nothing

Bruh

[white willow]

End as well

Give it time

[elfin locust]

Also it is only mi potato pc or is the nether really poor on performance?

[white willow]

Might be your pc. My fps in the nether shoots to the moon

[elfin locust]

Oh ok

[white willow]

Like I go up to 165-200 in the nether. My overworld fps would never touch that

[elfin locust]

Do you mean on deferred?

Because it happens the opposite to me

[white willow]

Yea

[elfin locust]

Lol

That's strange

[harsh iris]

is it possible to change the illuminance of the moon in certain moon phases?

[silent zealot]

No

[harsh iris]

but can i set the color using hex instead of [number, number, number]?

[silent zealot]

Yes

[harsh iris]

"#ff0000" or 0xff0000?

[silent zealot]

The forst

[harsh iris]

[Lighting][error]-: malformed input

the game doesn't even tell me what I did wrong

[harsh iris]

I've already changed everything that could be wrong, how do I fix this error? 🥲

[harsh iris]

Is it possible to choose a resolution lower than 33%?

[proud pike]

If you edit the configs in the game files, yeah

[harsh iris]

hey, hm... i'm not sure you guys actually do these light settings in the raw json, do you use any software?

[hollow timber]

vs code

or I think you can use the minecraft editor

[harsh iris]

I didn't mean that

[harsh iris]

Isn't this the editor that's only available for PC?

but I think that must be it, if he allows me to have a preview of what I doing with deferred lighting, then yes

[hollow timber]

yeah

to both

[harsh iris]

Whenever I create a world and hold a block/item for the first time with DTP turned on the game freezes for a few seconds

Has anyone else experienced this? It happens 100% of the time

[proud pike]

not me :p

[normal tapir]

Is custom emotes possible the same way you can get custom skin packs?

[pseudo pawn]

Whats sdgp?

Im curious :3

[long ruin]

Super duper graphics pack

It was canceled

[pseudo pawn]

Ohh ye

Now I know

[viscid moth]

what do i do with this and where is this file located

[silent zealot]

Check #1283452758581706772

Its also a general #1067869590400544869 thing rather a specific deferred question

[viscid moth]

aight

[sonic canopy]

I hope they fix deferred ambient lighting color space in the next preview

[viscid moth]

what's wrong with it
i've been out of loop for a long time

[sonic canopy]

New biome files allow to specify per-biome sky color, which will be also used by deferred as ambient lighting color. However the issue is that deferred treats this color as in linear color space instead of sRGB, and because of that the results seem off. More details and color space conversion can be found here #1283452758581706772 message

[viscid moth]

thank you very much for the information

[tribal trail]

can someone tell me what is a default gamma value?

[sonic canopy]

2.2 (for color grading)

It's pinned here

[silent zealot]

The video settings or colour grading?

[tribal trail]

video settings

[silent zealot]

I dont think anyone documented it bc:
A) No number feedback ingame
B) People didnt check it via the options.txt before messing with it

[sonic canopy]

1

Final gamma used by the game is your color grading gamma multiplied by UI settings gamma

[proud pike]

changes in 1.21.40.22 Preview

[quick beacon]

Also some file stuff too

Which I like.

Already prepared :)

[proud pike]

:o

nice

ahead of the curve i see

[proud pike]

[long ruin]

[white willow]

i just fixed mine

new file found in the reflection configs

[quick beacon]

@sonic canopy This new? The LODs folder?

[sonic canopy]

Yeah probably, what's inside?

[white willow]

lods

[quick beacon]

{
  "probe_regen": {
    "far_plane_scaling": 1.0,
    "texture_format": "R16G16B16A16_FLOAT",
    "regen_triggers": {
      "frames_delta": 600,
      "gametime_delta": 100,
      "distance_delta": 500.0,
      "sky_brightness_delta": 3.0,
      "block_brightness_delta": 16.0
    }
  },
  "ibl": {
    "num_samples": 64,
    "dimension": 512
  },
  "ssr_enabled": true,
  "ssr": {
    "enable_gap_fill": true,
    "linear_search_step_count": 400,
    "binary_search_step_count": 20,
    "ray_step_length": 5.0,
    "ray_offset": 0.01,
    "fading_power_horizontal": 3.0,
    "fading_power_vertical": 3.0,
    "fading_distance": 0.3,
    "roughness_cutoff": 0.4,
    "roughness_fade_start": 0.3
  }
}```

[white willow]

i skimmed through them and they really do change in quality depending on that

which is neat

the ssr quality to me looks better than it did too

maybe im crazy though

[long ruin]

nice

[quick beacon]

No idea what this can be used for tbh

{
  "low": {
    "file": "lods/reflection_configuration_4.json"
  },
  "medium": {
    "file": "lods/reflection_configuration_5.json"
  },
  "high": {
    "file": "lods/reflection_configuration_6.json"
  },
  "ultra": {
    "file": "lods/reflection_configuration_7.json"
  }
}

Nevermind :3

[white willow]

oh

also

im not seeing any shadow acne rn

this is very interesting

[quick beacon]

Everything else uses this now btw

Shadows, fog, etc.

[white willow]

THEY FIXED SHADOW ACNE

at least i think

cuz i am not seeing it at any shgadow quality level

also ssr isnt having those weird lines either

[quick beacon]

Can "confirm"

[pale urchin]

What are you showing?

[quick beacon]

wait

no lines in the relfection

So far it seem"

[pale urchin]

uuhmm

[quick beacon]

old ss btw

[pale urchin]

Ah

[raw pendant]

no more garbage dark sky in deferred no way

[sonic canopy]

Seems like they are starting to finetune configs

[raw pendant]

any performance improvements noticed?

[quick beacon]

I can check later after I reverted my SSR configs

[raw pendant]

did yall try my configs

at the end

[pale urchin]

That was a couple previews ago

[quick beacon]

Last week I had like insane FPS boosts

[sonic canopy]

oh bloom also got lod

[white willow]

no acne

[sonic canopy]

actually almost everything did

[raw pendant]

but show how much bias

[white willow]

and im on low shadows rn

[raw pendant]

and show far distance

[quick beacon]

They'll fine-tune these things at a later time I guess.

[white willow]

this is on low

lemme turn it up

wow the shadow range is short on low lmao

[quick beacon]

I have lines

[raw pendant]

coming into it first time i had no idea what the different values meant in shadow configs and all the other configs, but through trial and error i taught myself

like ik how to find best values depending on perf budget

[white willow]

oh wait that was on ultra

[raw pendant]

ik it was

i was confused

since when would low have insane filtering like that

[white willow]

this is on low

[raw pendant]

yoo it looks so nice

low key

[raw pendant]

try normal maps

they are better

imo

heightmaps are knockoff pom

[quick beacon]

I think the only thing they did here was move most configs to their lods subfolder

[raw pendant]

lods?

mojang finally taking notes

[quick beacon]

.

[quick beacon]

.

[white willow]

woah... since when do metals cast bloom in deferred

[quick beacon]

It's just the config JSON being moved to a subfolder

60FPS on ultra shadows is a win

[raw pendant]

im downloading it now

[raw pendant]

light work

i prefer at least 300

240 minimum

[quick beacon]

Ight. My job here is done. My pack supports this new version now.

[white willow]

i need to fix all of my fogs now

[sonic canopy]

I wish renderer configs would allow ro modify bloom mip count 😔

[white willow]

every. sing. one. of. them.

[sonic canopy]

Bloom with more passes looks so much better

[white willow]

why is biome client removed

[raw pendant]

show point shadows

[white willow]

WHYYYYYYYYYY

a little wonky

[raw pendant]

its biased alright

configs

are the same

wait

so this means i can make bias lower and the acne wont be there

hold my beer

[raw pendant]

i want fft bloom

convolution bloom awesome

[white willow]

i feel like they are better

but idk

im just happy the acne was removed

[quick beacon]

I still have it

[white willow]

i dont

[raw pendant]

screen res?

maybe?

or TAA might hide it

turn taa on and off

[white willow]

ok its still there but its INCREDIBLY minimal

its barely noticeable

[proud pike]

interesting

[white willow]

i literally had to put my face in my monitor to see it

[raw pendant]

hear me out

what about pixelated shadows that align with the block textures

save on performance and would fit perfectly

[proud pike]

thats doable with just messing with configs?

[raw pendant]

difficult

[proud pike]

wont the game just refuse very wonky values

[white willow]

TAA still off. you basically cannot see the acne. its so minimal its not even an issue

[sonic canopy]

Eh not really, that needs a modified shader ideally

[raw pendant]

biases and cascase and stuff it will be nightmare

[proud pike]

yep, thought so

[white willow]

lemme try lower quality shadows

[raw pendant]

or pixelated bloom

that fits with vanilla style

would be cool

[white willow]

low

it used to be awful on low

[proud pike]

thats quite decent actually

[white willow]

i still cant see any shadow acne

[proud pike]

is the update out on bedrock launcher?

[white willow]

yea

i wonder if its mostly fixed on mobile

[proud pike]

alr, giving it a shot

[proud pike]

[sonic canopy]

Random ss from the web to illustrate

[raw pendant]

GOATED

[proud pike]

:o

looks nice

[raw pendant]

SO ELEGANT

[white willow]

yep its gone on mobile too

[tribal trail]

same

[sonic canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/237199950235041794/1257808520292597770/2024-07-02_17-20-38.mp4?ex=66ebed38&is=66ea9bb8&hm=1a491025a53787373a7bc437d4b3cd794643445a879349f7bd4cce664b514271&

[proud pike]

i just checked, i've kept 21GB worth of minecraft preview versions on my drive

[sonic canopy]

Java shader

[proud pike]

very cool

[sonic canopy]

It doesn't always look great tho

[proud pike]

yo @white willow can ya slide your pack rq

wanna give it a shot on the latest preview :3

[white willow]

yea

fog doesnt work rn

but i got you

[proud pike]

np

[tribal trail]

that looks lovely

woudl be awesome as an option

[proud pike]

@white willow real

[quick beacon]

My stuff still works

[proud pike]

can't join though :P

[white willow]

none of my fogs work

[white willow]

im tabbed out rn

[quick beacon]

yawn

[white willow]

try now

nvm

my game crashed

[proud pike]

oop

lemme know when you're back on :3

[quick beacon]

btw the new client biome stuff isn't that hard to understand.

Coming from someone who makes Add-Ons, but still.

[white willow]

its simple yes

its just tedious

[quick beacon]

nah

[white willow]

cuz you have to make one for E V E R Y biome

[quick beacon]

Better that way tbh

[white willow]

they should at least allow a default to be able to be defined

so you can mush everything you havent done yet to that default

[proud pike]

water

quite real

[white willow]

relkoad the world

then itll fix

[proud pike]

yep did that

fixed

[white willow]

im connecting now if you wanna join me lol

[proud pike]

ssr looks so much better with fog off

here with my guy

name tags are black for some reason

:p

[white willow]

they were pink before

[quick beacon]

They've been black last week too btw

I've been playing with King the past week.

[proud pike]

aw man i keep forgetting that i dont have the tab out fix on preview

smh

[white willow]

i need to fix my iron block texture. idk why the edges are dark grey lol

[proud pike]

hmm

weird

[white willow]

metal objects having some bloom is really neat

deferred pbr needs some major quality uplifts for sure though

[proud pike]

:3

[white willow]

bloom is now reflected

[proud pike]

sexy pbr

[pale urchin]

Has anyone checked to see if custom sky colour works properly in the end yet?

[white willow]

bloom translating into reflections is so neat

it allows emissives to show how bright they actually are

[long ruin]

yet another good preview for deferred

[raw pendant]

😻

i want

[proud pike]

oh the blue shimmering in the distant trees is still there in 1440p

huh

[raw pendant]

can i have whatever deferred pack this is

[white willow]

yea

[proud pike]

plauged pbr, no fog

[white willow]

here

[proud pike]

:3

[raw pendant]

would u make normalmap version

at some point

[pale urchin]

Hmm, why do these shaders look hazy?

[sonic canopy]

And if it fixes color space in deferred

[white willow]

working on one. since im making a java port

[proud pike]

nice

[white willow]

its just gonna take a while

as im still learning the fundamentals of normals

[proud pike]

the shadow looks about the same as last preview for me (high settings)

[long ruin]

I forgot all about cubemap support tbh

[proud pike]

wasn't implemented in the best way imo

:p

[long ruin]

[raw pendant]

can i have fogless version

[long ruin]

I guess that's why it was mostly pushed to the bushes

maybe except for eddy

[white willow]

my fog is broken rn

so its not working anyway

[raw pendant]

vanilla fog still sucky

i wanna remove all of it

i wish we can change fog alpha

[quick beacon]

I think this is fixed?

[quick beacon]

I know mine works. I also wrote a script to remove my fog during the day.

[proud pike]

pretty colours :3

green dimension

[white willow]

the end is pitch black

crying

[proud pike]

@white willow

portal to somewhere quite green

:3

[white willow]

not sure why this is happening

[quick beacon]

Well now I own bragging rights to say that my end portal looks normal :3

[white willow]

idk why mine doesnt

[silent zealot]

Docs are updated

[white willow]

reflections are 100% better

i just modified the range but they are crisper than before

[quick beacon]

Link your file thx

[long ruin]

[raw pendant]

ill try making some new configs

optimised ones

[quick beacon]

Check leaves :3

[white willow]

what about leaves

[quick beacon]

Check leaves in reflections :3

[pale urchin]

What's so special?

[quick beacon]

It's leaves :3

[white willow]

i dont see anything different

[quick beacon]

Look

It's a leaf

[white willow]

wait...

its not treated as an opaque block anymore

WAIT

[quick beacon]

But seriously

leaves look better in SSR

to me at least

[white willow]

they do

the gap filling is still bad

but its better

deferred is slowly getting better and better

SSR looks super good now tbh

idk what they did

but they cooked

[raw pendant]

whats the best brightness value

mojang guide with creeper faces is wrong

[white willow]

i just use the recommended by the brightness

as that scales based on the pack's color grading

[raw pendant]

dude

????

[white willow]

either that or tweak it till it looks right for the pack

each pack looks different

like my pack's reccomended brightness is different from lets say, luminous dreams. that one is recommended to be like in the middle

[raw pendant]

people should make their packs look good at default brightness

[white willow]

its weird how its calculated

[raw pendant]

what happened to standards

[white willow]

we have no control over "default brightness"

[raw pendant]

i think the correct brightness is 1.333

[white willow]

if we adjust gamma in the color grading file it changes. we adjust contrast, it changes

[quick beacon]

😔

[white willow]

and the default color grading... is not good

[raw pendant]

ik

[white willow]

how are we supposed to do our volumetric fogs. i cant find the stuff for client biomes either

[silent zealot]

Wdym?

[white willow]

none of mine work anymore. its all the default deferred volumetric fog

[quick beacon]

#1285994621373120513 message

[white willow]

im so happy ssr now reflects brightness

i wonder if hieght/normals also translate through

[quick beacon]

wdym?

"brightness"

[white willow]

like the reflections actually reflect things at their proper brightness

its not like a dulled out version

[quick beacon]

Looks the same to me

😔 If only someone can check for changes in the shader code

[silent zealot]

Anyone wanna help me draft up an upgrade guide

[quick beacon]

Do I get paid by the hour?

[white willow]

minecraft oil painting edition

[pale urchin]

Is that low res upscaling?

[white willow]

very low res upscaling

0.03

[raw pendant]

at least native doesnt have the ugly taa

ik msaa is hard to do in deferred and I would happily settle for smarter upscalers

like dlss

[raw pendant]

i found the name

per texel shading

my new obsession

[tribal trail]

taa is not ugly

[raw pendant]

i paid 100 bucks for a pair of glasses so it's not worth using it when i can take off my glasses and get the same effect

[tribal trail]

i have glasses too

[raw pendant]

taa is the same as taking glasses off

[tribal trail]

world looks better when it's blurred tbh

[vague shoal]

What I miss

[white willow]

a lot

[vague shoal]

Aw man

[white willow]

aside from packs being broken

[vague shoal]

What is it

[white willow]

deferred got some nice upgrades

[vague shoal]

[vague shoal]

Like what

[white willow]

the shadow acne (lines bug) is basically nonexistent now. SSR reflections are greatly improved (range still sucks)

[vague shoal]

Coolio I guess

Anything else?

[white willow]

not much else

but those fixes alone

makes it look way better

[vague shoal]

What’s with the new reflection config folder

[white willow]

ive modified ranges here but

[vague shoal]

Still don’t have first person shadow on iOS

☹️

[white willow]

all of them got the new lod thing. its nothing major

there are just more config options that you can pick from

[vague shoal]

[sonic canopy]

Lol

[white willow]

pbr effects look better too. im gonna fact check myself rq though

it seems theres some stuff that didnt make changelog

the sky in deferred, its not a physically based sky right?

its the regular mc sky?

[harsh iris]

oops, is there a new update out?

[white willow]

yeah, just came out

[vague shoal]

Minecraft movie clouds in deferred when

[quasi trench]

wowowow the light reflectionsss

they’re normal looking

new stuff made everything look better?????

:doggysmurkW:

gonna load up lumen prizma deferred

[white willow]

I did testing, it was like this at least last week. same with the shadow acne. It seems we all missed these changes

[quasi trench]

huh crazyy

shadow acne nearly gonezo how did they do it

[white willow]

Adjusted bias

It's still there but it's not really noticeable

Even on low

[quasi trench]

is there any consequences for that

[white willow]

Yeah. But they seemed to avoid them

Mostly

[quasi trench]

goated deferred devs

[white willow]

But the main issue is "Peter panning" where the shadows are offset from the actual location of the object

[quasi trench]

awww

[white willow]

But they mostly avoided it

The shadows are def less accurate then when there was horrible acne but

I'd take this

[quasi trench]

if we must choose between two poisons id rather have the lesser

[white willow]

Yep

I can deal with some silly shadows over my shadows looking like they just started highschool

[quasi trench]

freshman shadows

fresh meat shadows

[quasi trench]

deferred teaser at minecraft live?

probably not but imagine

[graceful iron]

Kinda pretty tho

You could probably turn that into an in game painting and it would fit in

[faint snow]

I wonder if we’ll see any officially made shaders in Minecraft live next week

🧐

[quasi trench]

there’s no way they’ll showcase YSS SE or veka’s path tracing shader

literally impossible and if they do ill shave half of my beard & mustache vertically and post the picture

[silent zealot]

Hence why they asked if theyll showcase any OFFICIAL ones

[tribal trail]

You have a beard?

[long ruin]

crazy shiternet lore

[tribal trail]

I forget that sometimes people in mc community are not 12 yo

[sonic canopy]

No such thing 😔

[pale urchin]

That's what I was thinking

[quasi trench]

i can grow one

[quasi trench]

okok official ones but.. still impossible

[faint snow]

You have to sacrifice your firstborn if it happens

[quasi trench]

stop projecting your bet for yourself onto me

[white willow]

i do... but you knew that

[vague shoal]

Imagine deferred gets announced as a Gamedrop coming next year and the graphics team plays with the community made pbr packs in the after show

[vague shoal]

Also I’m pretty sure chiken was talking about pbr packs

Or deferred itself

He still calling it shaders

😭

[quasi trench]

impossible unbelievable inconceivable

[vague shoal]

We will see then

[proud pike]

Who doesn't :3

[quick beacon]

Me

[tribal trail]

Yes i know

[quasi trench]

anyone can grow a beard if they really want to

[faint snow]

IM SORRY

Please don’t publicly execute me

😔

[harsh iris]

-# "I know you know I know you know."

[faint snow]

Am I allowed to send photos

[faint snow]

No

[harsh iris]

depends on what kind of image.

[faint snow]

Miku chair

I sent it in off topic just in case

😝

[harsh iris]

-# hey... so why ask here?

[faint snow]

See those reflections on the glass? Graphics

This is very on topic.

[proud pike]

RTX reflections

[pale urchin]

Deferred can't be released as a game drop because game drops are for both editions of the game

[tribal trail]

what is the default sky color?

[quasi trench]

we wont

[vague shoal]

It can still come out in a minor update tho

[quick beacon]

Please. Please. Can we stop with this dog qwq I swear I'll throw it out the window qwq

[long ruin]

dont hurt this precious dog

[graceful iron]

[silent zealot]

Yall, seriously, please stop. It's getting spammy

[vague shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-awkward-dog-confused-awkward-confused-dog-gif-2881577801438605193

[graceful iron]

[long ruin]

[graceful iron]

I’m gonna make a catto_smirkW later today then

[long ruin]

W

[graceful iron]

if not doggy, we have catto

[vague shoal]

[proud pike]

rip to the doggo

[tribal trail]

i like volumetric dogs

[proud pike]

he doge

[faint snow]

What’s wrong with non-volumetric dogs?

😔

[raw pendant]

data driven volumetric clouds when

[silent zealot]

Please

[raw pendant]

data driven cubemap too please, me wanna change height

since yall are nuking shader modding (talking to u mojang)

[faint snow]

I need them 😭😭😭

[tribal trail]

we need it

[silent zealot]

Need is a strong word. But in this case it is true

[white willow]

Just need some cloud improvements at the very least

[white willow]

And if it's not. Something like this would also help a ton

[tribal trail]

we need clouds, ssao, refraction and i will be happy

[silent zealot]

Refractions is...eh

[tribal trail]

I wouldn't mind volumetric dogs too

[tribal trail]

what?

[silent zealot]

Not something we desparately need right now

[white willow]

The sky not being half dark is an improvement but the clouds having no shading at all looks wrong

[tribal trail]

to makes water look nice? we totally need it

[pale urchin]

Glass doesn't look as good as it can be

[white willow]

Also

Fixing the water depth bug

That's needed too

[tribal trail]

[silent zealot]

I dont play around water and glass that much

[white willow]

And I think that same issue also applies to unground light shaft rendering from holes in a cave

[silent zealot]

Waters fine as it is right now personally. I rather they focus on ssao and clouds first

[white willow]

Where once at a certain point, all light stops working

[tribal trail]

but SSAO (HBAO/GTAO) 🥵

[pale urchin]

internal refraction also isn't complete

[tribal trail]

we need this

[tribal trail]

what do you mean?

[pale urchin]

From underwater, there should be a point where you can't see through the water surface

But only reflection

[silent zealot]

I just hope they can finish up blocks and general lighting before q3 2025 so they can focus on entities and items and particles.

[tribal trail]

i hope they will add (optional) post-processing effects that we can somehow configure (vignette, chromatic aberration, lens flare, bloom style, etc.)

[white willow]

There's a lot of issues with items for sure

Funny thing. Vignette is adjustable in vanilla

There's a hud screen json file that has values for it

I have it disabled in my packs

[raw pendant]

what's the best normalmap pack for deferred rn

nobody does em

[raw pendant]

@sonic canopy

u seen this?

[sonic canopy]

Yeah, haven't been able to get it working tho. But that's not a problem as another graphics debugger - PIX works on bedrock right away.

[harsh iris]

something against the dog?

[vague shoal]

yes

animated cubemaps too please

[vague shoal]

Wait what does this mean

[white willow]

@pale urchin this is essetitally what it does

[pale urchin]

That really doesn't look like something that should happen. Leaves allow some light to come through, but not that much

[oak thicket]

Looks better than shadow flickering

[white willow]

probably not. but leaves also shouldnt be treated as full blocks either

barely any light actually goes through them

[quick beacon]

It's like that in vanilla too afaik

[pale urchin]

You mean when they're surrounded by other leaf blocks?

[quick beacon]

I'll check how leaves behave in Java, but they should not block any ambient light if that makes any sense. Does so in vanilla Bedrock.

[pale urchin]

I get that, but I was talking about directional light from the sun and moon

[quick beacon]

Oooh

I like how it is rn

[faint snow]

This isn’t the effect I’m talking about though, I’ll see if I can get a screenshot when I get home

[pale urchin]

Thank goodness.

[faint snow]

Dang bro did NOT like that screenshot

[faint snow]

Speaking of this

[harsh iris]

'-'

so it is not possible to change the ambient light of a dimension?

[white willow]

Doesn't seem like it

At least not yet

I'm hoping we get dimension support relatively soon cuz, the nether and end being super dark is not fun 😭

[silent zealot]

Idk if anyone else went down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but the fact they named the files global makes me hope that we can configure per biome lighting

And did anyone else complain about format version not being a top level key?

And it seems the docs also have a typo

[vague shoal]

Chat

We got waving leaves in deferred

[pale urchin]

ha ha. Very funny

[tribal trail]

Oh

Wait

I'm dumb

[crude flare]

is this real or am i being bamboozled

[silent zealot]

It's just the waves reflecting the leaves thus making it look like wavy leaves

[crude flare]

dangit

yeah i figured

rip

[silent zealot]

The simply solution is to obviously copy the water configs and apply it to the leaves block (joke)

[crude flare]

lmao

real

[vague shoal]

Or

Change water texture to leaves texture

[crude flare]

or switch to java

[vague shoal]

☹️

[crude flare]

im jk lol

[silent zealot]

Huh, anyone else experiencing editor mode being redish purple for you?

[quick beacon]

Yes

been like that for the past 3 previews

[silent zealot]

Right...my water is still broken

[long ruin]

blood river

[loud pilot]

#1285994621373120513 message

[drowsy lantern]

Where is upscaling?
I have bad fps after add resolution in deferred setting

My fps in 12 chunk and medium setting before add resolution in setting

My fps in 12 chunk,medium setting and native resolution after add resolution

[amber whale]

the resolution slider is the upscaling's resolution's slider and is normally capped at 50 while "Native" removes upscaling and the fps probably depend on the resolution you're at

[quasi trench]

for some reason joining a LAN or realm isnt working on ps5 preview

maybe they’re trying to stop me from testing deferred

:doggysmurkW:

ok hmm might be on my end actually

didnt work on release version either

[earnest cosmos]

Heyo everyone!

I got a question about the Blend material for Particles, and how it renders in Deferred Rendering.

No matter what opacity level I set a Particle to, even a minuscule amount, the Renderer will produce a fully blown-out emissivity.

I've tried custom particle materials to no avail, along with a bunch of other particle troubleshooting techniques, yet I still haven't achieved favourable results.

Is this just a current issue with Deferred, or have I missed something?

*P.S: I've used variable.fade to alter the opacity over the particle lifetime, I only Clamped it to see if an extremely small opacity value would help...it didn't! 🤪 *

I've only just migrated my setup to Deferred from RTX, so it's quite possible that I've missed something, any help would be great! Thanks

PS: this is how it should look, and how it renders in Snowstorm ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[earnest cosmos]

Yeh, I think you're right!

Cos' it proper sucks when you have all of em open and it's hard to workout which "global.json" you wanna switch to. 😁

It wouldn't make sense to do this...unless, there were going to be settings that WEREN'T global...right.....right??? 😊

[quick beacon]

This appears to be more particle PBR. More so the emssive channel is being used which makes them glow. Uh, do you use any particle PBR in the pack you're using, like a texture_set.json in the particle texture folder, or in the lighting/global.json file?

[earnest cosmos]

That's not the texture set for that specific particle in the Screenshot above, but yes, I tried with and without texture sets and different values for the PBR fallback settings.

[sonic canopy]

Try removing particle lighting component

[quick beacon]

^

[earnest cosmos]

From fallback settings?

[sonic canopy]

From particle file

[earnest cosmos]

I think I tried that, but I'll try again. I may not have 😊

One thing I have yet to try is to move the particle into the actual PBR pack I have applied.

The actual PBR settings are obviously in my PBR pack, but the particles in question are part of another Project I'm working on. It does have the PBR capabilities, though, but no specific lighting settings. I was relying on the correct pack stack order

I wonder if that's the issue??? 🤔

Trying it without the lighting component now. 👍

No luck. 😭

[viscid moth]

been wondering this for a while
why is it dark in this spot

[rocky halo]

It's the power of dark side

[viscid moth]

💀 i don't want it pls get rid of it

[viscid moth]

pls i hope this is a bug

it's been here since vol fog was introduced for deferred

[jagged badge]

That is the boundary between the solar half and the lunar half of the sky. To my knowledge that is not fixable

[tribal trail]

what

[viscid moth]

that was the damn issue with the dark spot
they fixed it so i hope that is fixable too

[tribal trail]

dark spot in the sky was fixed

[viscid moth]

but the fog wasnt'

[jagged badge]

Did Mojang fix the "dark spot?" I thought we still had to set the moon light intensity equal to the sun to fix that

[viscid moth]

they fixed it

[jagged badge]

Neat

[jagged badge]

But you'll notice that gray band runs across a line on the firmament, if you look up

Should be in the north too

[viscid moth]

it's like a rain bow

fogbow needs to go

[tribal trail]

you sure?

[viscid moth]

hold up wth

is it bc i am using normal sun rotation?

[tribal trail]

yeah, it was all fixed

[tribal trail]

what do you mean?

[viscid moth]

i don't have like sun rotation
it's the default

[tribal trail]

nah

[viscid moth]

oh my fucking god

it's the damn sun rotation

or i hope so

[tribal trail]

maybe make fog a little thinner

or make it a bit cooler shade

[viscid moth]

okay i will try it

welp it does work but you can't have like super visible fog rays so

[harsh iris]

🧠

[quasi trench]

i wonder what we’ll get this week for deferred

:doggysmurkW: