Graphics General

[tribal trail]

I wish you would make bedrock add-ons instead of java mods

[white willow]

Not sure but it's always the same ones

[quick beacon]

I really need to focus on part of my PBR textures. I kinda want them to scatter some light in a way without looking flat, because my grass and such look horrendous right now.. :<

[viscid moth]

Better on java for bedrock as an addon when?

[quick beacon]

😔 so much work for me

[viscid moth]

hmm might be blocks json and terrain textures clashing

[white willow]

Could be idk

[quick beacon]

Don't even get me started on how bad my stone look 😔

[viscid moth]

does other rtx packs have this issue?

[white willow]

Nope. Tested defined and Kelly's on the Medieval RTX map and they were fine

Same as the 10 years of Minecraft

[viscid moth]

so yo the issue then

send the link to yo pack
i will figure it out

[tribal trail]

my rtx pack doesn't have that issue

[viscid moth]

good

[white willow]

It'll be slightly older since I'm not at my pc to get the latest indev

[viscid moth]

it's okay just send the mcpedl link or smth

[white willow]

https://mcpedl.com/plagued-pbr/

Here

The page got messed up and I haven't fixed it yet 💀

[viscid moth]

k thanks

[white willow]

Also the texture problem happens without rt enabled so you can take a look

[viscid moth]

gonna go to bed for now
will figure it out in 2 hours

[white willow]

Ok

[viscid moth]

So my proposal to fix the bug is to remove the blocks.json and terrain_texture.json unless you have modified the vanilla content inside

If you do have modified it I have another proposal

[white willow]

If terrain texture is where mip mapping is then yeah I modified that

But I don't believe I've touched the block.json

[viscid moth]

So just remove the blocks.json and try it out

[white willow]

Alright

[long ruin]

animation is hard

[white willow]

On god

Blender animation right

I did first person weapon animations a few years ago. Was not easy

[long ruin]

yes

these are just for syncing the mouth to the lyrics

[white willow]

Oh my

Yeah I haven't done characters

But even just manipulating hands wasn't that simple

[long ruin]

it's not

[white willow]

I slapped this together in 4ish hours

It's not good but like it was the second one I had made ever

[long ruin]

Ah

This is like my 3rd time making one

26 seconds of audio

623 frames, not too horrible

[white willow]

Dang yeah. I'm gonna be learning character modeling and rigging soon 😭

Well...

Not soon

[long ruin]

I'm self taught :D

[white willow]

But

I mean pretty good for self taught

[white willow]

I was self taught with this one

[long ruin]

Looks pretty good

[white willow]

The stuff I'm doing now will be standardized since it's a part of my game design courses

But it's still something I'm fairly excited to learn

[long ruin]

Yeah

[white willow]

I think we will be using maya at that point

[white willow]

no way

this may actually be the dumbest thing ever

why was THAT the problem

[viscid moth]

It worked? 💀
bruh this shit is the dumbest bug ever

[white willow]

Yup

Actually dumb but whatever

[viscid moth]

what's the cuz of this bug

[quick beacon]

What "bug"?

[viscid moth]

so yk quirky was having problem with his jungle fog not using the fog provided
so the fix to the problem was to rename jungle_fog.json to jungle.json

nothing changed except the name of the file

might be that mc looking for the file using identifier pgpbr:jungle

[quick beacon]

I believe fog IDs have to match file names like feature and feature rules

[viscid moth]

@white willow does cherry fog works

[white willow]

Haven't tested only done forests and jungles rn

Been busy

[viscid moth]

test it when you have time
the file name of cherry is cherry_fog
the identifier name is cherry_grove
wondering if it works

[white willow]

The fog right now works as intended but I'm unsure about weather

I'll probably test it I. About an hour or so

[white willow]

test 1. Naming it cherry.json

test 2. cherry_grove.json

wait...

i forgot to change format version

im stupid

ok no it doesnt work even when on the correct format

let me change the identifier to be one word

[viscid moth]

make both the identifer and the file name to cherry and change the biome_clients too

[white willow]

now its color is gone

ok so cherry biomes literally dont work

[viscid moth]

Ok I am steping in to fix this

[white willow]

this is a very strange issue

same issue with ice_plains too

actually hold that i also forgot to change version

nope these are fine

so... why cherry groves

[viscid moth]

tf it crashed my game

[white willow]

wha

cold taiga doesnt appear to be working either

[viscid moth]

hold tf on why is weather fog getting thicker when
there is no weather provided in density object

[quick beacon]

Default

If you don't add weather to the density object the game will use default density values.

[white willow]

yeah nope cold taigas dont work

[viscid moth]

so i got cherry stuff to get working

[white willow]

how

[viscid moth]

rename the file to cherry.json and rename identifier to pgpbr:cherry and edit biomes clients to fit the change
give 1.21.10 as the format version and provide a weather object in density

also quirky you gotta fix the black spot in sky

[white willow]

i didnt think that was possible

nobody has said it was fixable

[viscid moth]

def possible I fixed it
veka said it

the only thing to compromise is major sun and moon rotations

you can't rotate much

[white willow]

ugh

it looks literally so terrible on default rotation though

[viscid moth]

just do like 10 or 15 for roatations :/

[white willow]

broke my fog

[viscid moth]

send it as the mcpack don't change it up anymore

[viscid moth]

send the pack

[viscid moth]

lmao this happens on your new version but not my edited version

[white willow]

what is even wrong

because eveything looks right

[viscid moth]

yup

it does look right

[viscid moth]

quirky wtf is this

you forgor the _ 💀

[white willow]

oh my god

[viscid moth]

now it's fixed

[white willow]

this is why im going game design and not programming

[viscid moth]

you need to turn on your debug gui bruh

it's not that hard and for the love of god pls turn this on to find errors faster

here

[white willow]

yeah i just fixed the issue

[viscid moth]

also remove weather from default.json media

found the fix to cold_taiga issue 💀
it's to rename cold_taiga from identifier and the file to taiga_cold

[white willow]

i fixed the issue already

i just changed the whole thing to cold

and that worked

[viscid moth]

lol I doesn't have this issue and my id is cold_taiga

[white willow]

idk why im having all these issues

the game just doesnt like me

[viscid moth]

I am very dumbfounded by your pack alone issue

was your pack created on a phone

[white willow]

no ive done everything on pc

no dev has been done on phone at all

i dont even know how id do this on phone 💀

[viscid moth]

lmao ig your pack is plagued

[white willow]

i guess so

every file ive used was from the sample files

the rtx marketplace bug i genuinely have no idea why it happens either

idk i just make nice textures. the technical stuff just happens to break when i literally do nothing

I genuinely have no idea why half of this stuff breaks since it's all mostly done correctly

[viscid moth]

have you tried the block.json delete fix?

[white willow]

trying now

omg

that worked

almost

[viscid moth]

💀

what happened

[white willow]

blue wool is broken

specifically blue wool

with no errors

[viscid moth]

send the pack where you've deleted block.json aka the version you using rn

[white willow]

hold up i saw an error hang on

aaaand game crash

apparently i dont have a blue wool texture which is... odd considering it was literally just fine

[viscid moth]

hmmm

send the screenshot of the error

[white willow]

how the hell did my blue wool texture get deleted

hold on

[viscid moth]

lmao

[white willow]

theres no blue wool

i never deleted this

bruh my pc hates me

[viscid moth]

quirky have dementia confirmed

[white willow]

developing early onset dementia at 19 lets gooooooooo

[long ruin]

rip

[white willow]

ok yeah theres no more errors

[viscid moth]

quirky gotta hire me as a bug fixer for his pack at this point 🤣

[white willow]

the only error is related to the warden which was not in the game at the time of this map so its mad at me for nothing

but no missing textures

[viscid moth]

I am proud of myself 😤

[white willow]

this room before this fix was literally almost all missing textures it was insane

[viscid moth]

ig you've never updated the blocks.json

[white willow]

ig not

i didnt even technically need it in the pack either

[viscid moth]

so the games updated and your blocks.json was outdated

[white willow]

theres a lot of remnants from when i started this pack that are left over

i made ALOT of mistakes

[viscid moth]

you don't need it unless you are to change block material/block shape

and names

[white willow]

oh so thats how you rename

heh time to bring back waxed lightly weathered cut copper stairs

[viscid moth]

lol not with blocks.json

[white willow]

dang it

[viscid moth]

i meant texture names from terrain texture

[viscid moth]

edit the lang file

so I fixed your bug

[white willow]

bruh the naked villager issue extends to even the giant villager here

[viscid moth]

fix the render controller

i don't know how tho

[white willow]

yeah i dont either

i figured out the warden and that was the most i could do

[viscid moth]

deferred works tho

[white willow]

yeah they are perfectly fine in deferred now

[viscid moth]

btw does the game uses v1 or v2 textures

[white willow]

uhhhh

idk

[tribal trail]

Hehe

Skill issue

[white willow]

Shush it works now

[tribal trail]

[viscid moth]

💀 blud got his skill issue fixed and you sad?

[tribal trail]

yes, because I can't make fun of him anymore

[quick beacon]

It took a bit to get the fog sorted out, but at least it works for them now.

[white willow]

This is all jokes though. Just a little joke between us lol

[vague shoal]

Ok so I’m gonna be working on my pbr pack again soon

I plan to add some presets

[white willow]

Let's go

[opaque kindle]

kinda off topic (cause this is a website) but what version is better

[long ruin]

1st imo

[opaque kindle]

i was supposed to post this in https://discord.com/channels/523663022053392405/787594834151604224 lol

[vague shoal]

What is 1.20.90💀

[opaque kindle]

it just for testing lol

[viscid moth]

yo??? no 1 fps with lava point light ?

[quick beacon]

17 tho

[viscid moth]

point light quality was a medium

just went back to the nether fog to revise but

[viscid moth]

I found a bug

falling blocks doesn't follow the rules of pbr

[quasi trench]

oi thats not good

no pbr falling sand

[long ruin]

[white willow]

been like that since deferred released

at least we can see falling blocks in deferred

they are invisible in rtx

[white willow]

woah

[white willow]

what did you do cuz im at 4 lmao

[long ruin]

^

Try that

[white willow]

looks cool though

even dropped to 1080p

eh im removing them now

how in the world am i at 97 fps at 4k what

[quasi trench]

i cant wait for the day we can run 4k ultra deferred final release

[white willow]

lemme see how the overworld runs cuz i should not be getting this much fps at 4k

[quasi trench]

fpsus

[white willow]

game is literally running better than my series s rn lmao

this feels too high still

im gonna turn off upscaling

W H A T

this actually looks insane

oh it saved the visual bug i recived in the screenshot

[quasi trench]

is this rtx

[white willow]

in that screenshot yea

[viscid moth]

them heightmaps makes me feel like I have Arachnophobia

[white willow]

wym

it is for sure a little strong

im just confused

[viscid moth]

idk It just makes me feels that way

[tribal trail]

only sigmas vote for SSS

[proud pike]

I'm not a sigma

[tribal trail]

i know

[viscid moth]

bluds gotta be a theta male

[vague shoal]

Only non brain rot people vote for ssr

[silk whale]

cosine male

[white willow]

Welp then I'm not voting for sss 🤷‍♂️

[viscid moth]

alegizz is a hybrid between gen z and gen alpha confirmed

[tribal trail]

Could you explain in Fortnite terms?

[white willow]

That would be hard to do I think

[vague shoal]

So basically your between chapter 1 and chapter 5

[tribal trail]

ooooh

that makes sense

[long ruin]

[quasi trench]

i feel like fortnite is spreading in gen z

whats going on

[white willow]

I mean the game started with us. It got popular with us

Then gen alpha took it over because we remember the game when it was actually good and most of us moved away

[quasi trench]

nothing for deferred this week

except for new files

:doggysmurkW:

[pale urchin]

What are they?

[quasi trench]

#1245402880081526975 message

[graceful iron]

Fortnite is a game which allows Goku to get dogged on by Ariana Grande with a mini gun whilst 8 year olds discuss the latest skibidi toilet episode.

[long ruin]

[white willow]

real

[proud pike]

[Nothing happens]
Bedrock Community - SSR SOON (REAL!1!1!)

[white willow]

Real

I'm not gonna fret over changes tbh. They will come when they come

Gives me time to actually work on my pack then have to fix everything

still haven't finished all the rain fogs

[viscid moth]

Is SSS with RT difficult

[white willow]

To my knowledge it's not hard just hard to optimize

[viscid moth]

So you mean like performance loss is too much or smth else?

[tribal trail]

it's very noisy iirc

[vague shoal]

Do you guys think waving foliage would be possible in deferred

Via behavior packs or something

[proud pike]

Probably yea

[jagged fable]

Someone help I messed up, I forgot to claim TikTok Cape

[vague shoal]

Wrong channel

[proud pike]

Flipbooks are entirely different from any proper implementations of waving foliage

[jagged fable]

Idc there's only 3 hours Left for June to start

[vague shoal]

Watch a stream ig

And get the code

[jagged fable]

All other channels are dead including YSS

[vague shoal]

True

[jagged fable]

That's the problem, TikTok was banned in my country in 2020

[proud pike]

Well no one cares about capes in a block game:p

[vague shoal]

Here

How about I get a code for you

I’ll watch a stream

And get the code

[jagged fable]

You can?

Ok

[vague shoal]

And give it to u

[proud pike]

[jagged fable]

But won't you need another account for that?

[vague shoal]

No

[jagged fable]

Because on Twitch you can only claim it once

[vague shoal]

U can get unlimited codes on the same account

[jagged fable]

Oh

[vague shoal]

I think

However since TikTok’s banned in ur country the cape might be too

[jagged fable]

I opened discord after a month and almost forgot about the Anniversary stuff

[vague shoal]

I’ve only claimed the TikTok cape

💀

And not the rest

[jagged fable]

I don't think so because they only care about the code

And it's available to Redeem on Minecraft. net

[jagged fable]

Get the Twitch one and the Main One of the MC Website

[vague shoal]

So uhhh funny story

I don’t think the cape is available anymore

I can’t find a stream

[jagged fable]

Idk what all that Emote on Twitch was because I didn't get it's code

[jagged fable]

There are Multiple 24/7 Streams on Twitch with Drops enabled

[vague shoal]

I meant on TikTok

I think the cape for TikTok is gone now

No more codes

[jagged fable]

There must be atleast one

Don't have any extra?

[vague shoal]

No

Unfortunately not

[jagged fable]

Is the entire world sleeping at the same time?

[vague shoal]

No I think it’s cause the event is over now

The 15th anniversary is over too

[jagged fable]

On Twitch the Streams are still going on

[vague shoal]

Wait

It says “redeem by June 30th”

Maybe the code expire after that date

If you didn’t use it yet or something

[jagged fable]

Yes the Redeem time is super long

Some are even 2 years long

[jagged fable]

Ecko is Live streaming on TikTok I guess can you get the code rn?

[vague shoal]

Oh ok

[jagged fable]

Thanks

[vague shoal]

Check messages

I sent it to u

[jagged fable]

It says it's already claimed

[jagged fable]

TikTok gave you the same code again I guess

[vague shoal]

Damn

Rip

Sorry

[jagged fable]

Try to get another

Or use an Alt if it's giving the same again and again

[real berry]

Give folks space. We're getting close to summer and people are taking periodic vacation time, or busy prepping work for when they might be on vacation.

[vague shoal]

Oh

Sorry

[real berry]

It's fine. 🙂 Just don't read into anything if folks are less chatty in here. 🙂

[vague shoal]

👍

[silent zealot]

😱 Minecraft News account: Mojang is abandoning Bedrock because the devs are taking a well deserved vacation

Looking forward to what y'all have planned for the rest of 2024 for Deferred and the add-on ecosystem as a whole

[vague shoal]

Come to think of it I haven’t had a vacation in a while

[sonic canopy]

I should take one too, kinda starting to get tired of making jokes about shader support

[vague shoal]

I don’t really think he reads this channel tbh

[dusty pebble]

does anyone have a clue as to how to get the black part of the frogspawn to be transparent? I can get it translucent but even the most translucent I can make it still is too dark

(this is RTX)

[white willow]

Idk if there's a way to fix this

[dusty pebble]

after running testing on various methods I thought of I dont think there is yea

unfortunately we cant change the render method on minecraft blocks

so without replacing all instances of minecraft:frogspawn with a custom frogspawn block I dont think its possible

[limber needle]

Question: Do you use automation to make your PBR/MER/Highmap file sets?

How long does it take you on avg to make one? (Pixel Art vs HD)

What tools do you favor?

[white willow]

I do everything by hand

The amount of time it takes me to do things depends on if I make my texture or I'm using vanilla (my pack is 16x) a vanilla texture I can knock out in like 5-10 minutes where a custom texture can take 30-60

And I use photoshop primarily

HD would definitely take longer if you did it by hand. I just don't like using automation to do so

[limber needle]

Do you use blockbench?

Have you tried this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNbyVTJGww

I'd like to make a guide on it, but I'm not doing alot of PBRs right now to make a good guide. But I do know I want this.

https://discord.com/channels/314078526104141834/1241138944524025876

[viscid moth]

yo? gonna try this out

this would be huge if it works for me

[limber needle]

Its in beta, so I'm not sure it's if it's out yet. I think Jannis is still reviewing it. But I think the dev needs testers and feedback.

So post in there you want to test it.

[viscid moth]

nvm i thought it was editing in real time to see how the texture works

so gimp is just better for me

[limber needle]

I think it is. Isn't it. You paint each layer in real time right?

or import your current ones to see them in blockbenhc

[viscid moth]

no i mean like blender
you paint the mers and heightmap
see the result in blender
in this plugin you are just painting black and white and it just converts to mc format
then you have to go into mc to see the results

[limber needle]

I think they added some concept of lighting and reflections. Keep inmind it's just a beta. I'm not sure what blockbench limits are for rendering.

[viscid moth]

wtf how do you have layers my version doesn't have layers

[limber needle]

Thats what this does. It enable PBR, highmaps for Blockbench and lets you make them all in blockbench

[viscid moth]

hold up i am gonna install it again
how do you install it

[sonic canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863495173508825100/1247193402123223050/image.png?ex=665fcb9e&is=665e7a1e&hm=2fbf09d8a93fd4b7e0becee099006a827323adc1c79a52505fea98ff32efa6df&

[viscid moth]

yeah nvm I got the old version it seems

[limber needle]

Its still in review I think. The dev is looking for testers

[sonic canopy]

I think it's supposed to have material preview

[limber needle]

Wow

Thats epic

Are entities supported?

[viscid moth]

got it althoug old version

[white willow]

I will say this is interesting for sure

Idk if I'm gonna use it but it's cool

I also like doing things the hard way because I'm stubborn

[viscid moth]

yo i got it

this might be huge

[viscid moth]

yes but a bit glitchy

[limber needle]

epic!

[limber needle]

Make sure and comment on his blockbench post. I bet they will send you an updated version if you ask

[quick beacon]

What'd I miss while I was gone?

Oh. A blockbench plugin for PBR.. Neato.

[viscid moth]

the glitch/bug is that entity has this placement for leggings but no texture
thus being transparent and back shirt texture not rendering

[white willow]

Yeah it looks cool. Definitely could be useful for previewing before going into the game I guess

[limber needle]

I'm trying to recuit people to test it.

[quick beacon]

Count me in! ^^

[limber needle]

https://discord.com/channels/314078526104141834/1241138944524025876

Please comment here. The dev needs testers and reached out to me to do a guide. But I'm not really do anything RTX right now. So I can't even compare it to a current workflow. So if you could help.

I really want this plugin, but I'm just not in a place to really help them show it off or give good feedback.

[quick beacon]

Will check it out ^^

[vague shoal]

Could lens flare be possible deferred?

[vague shoal]

Ooooo I want it

[viscid moth]

https://github.com/JannisX11/blockbench-plugins/tree/c472b92eaf8d19bb306e49dcf3744175133ca933/plugins/pbr_preview
download the pbr_preview.js and icon.png
put them in a folder and open block bench click on file>plugins find the import file button
click on it and navigate to the .js file you downloaded import and enjoy

[vague shoal]

Dang it

You have to download block bench

I can only use browser

[viscid moth]

💀 bro said it like it's a bad thing

[mossy verge]

I don't see why not

[viscid moth]

i don't think villagers profession textures sets work yet

[drowsy lantern]

Mail gpu after update
Why? it's mail gpu bug fix

[vague shoal]

☹️

[sonic canopy]

try experimenting with new settings like turning off fog and adjusting brightness slider in deferred vdieo settings

[drowsy lantern]

I use low and off settings with highest brightness but not working

I have black screen after loading world screen i can here mob sounds and break and replace blocks but i can't see anything

It's brightness bug i think

It's brightness bug in new option

[limber needle]

I love how stable the gfx system is in bedrock.

[white willow]

So there's issues with the new gamma thing?

Welp that's unfortunate 😭

[quick beacon]

Don't think issues, tbh

[vague shoal]

@limber needle could I please have your custom clouds addon they look so good and I really wanna test them out in deferred

[limber needle]

They are on snowstorm under CC lic, I even made a guide for you to learn how I do them

[vague shoal]

Yeah but the cloud pngs you have are like private or something

[limber needle]

of

yeah sorry those are lic assets I can't given them out. All my visual assets are under lic.

[vague shoal]

Oh well

[limber needle]

I'm sure ai could gen you some

[vague shoal]

Ok

[limber needle]

I'd love to see your results once you get it going.

[vague shoal]

Which ai do you suggest

I can’t get chat gpt

[long ruin]

💀

[vague shoal]

💀

[crude flare]

💀

[limber needle]

Maybe Leonardo, So a few a then just put them on an atlas

It's not an easy thing to get ai to do. So.. Thats why I pay for my assets.

[graceful iron]

thats kinda funny lol

[tribal trail]

I wish godrays would even be visible in the caves 😥

[silent zealot]

they are if you are the marketting team for 1.21 update art lol

[white willow]

same. right now they just get deleted

[white willow]

i need some opinions

im working on a rework of my cinematic preset and im in a bit of a bind with what i want to do

better fog or better shadows

left is better fog, right is better shadows

i cannot decide on which looks better

im leaning towards better shadows tbh but i want opinions

[hollow timber]

feel like the fog one looks a bit more realistic

cause in the shadow one you've got sun rays that just aren't doing any sort of global illumination so it looks wrong

[hollow timber]

especially this one

way too dark on that shadow

[white willow]

i went with the fog one

[jagged fable]

Atleast yours is still supported my phone's Mali GPU lost Deferred Rendering support in 1.20.50 Beta/Previews💀

[viscid moth]

they gotta fix this bug

it should be like the full block
pls fix this

[drowsy lantern]

Why?old gpu?

[jagged fable]

Yeah I have MTK Helio G95 with Mali-G76 I think only the Dimensity ones are supported

[viscid moth]

yours should technically support deferred

does the beta text at the top say
opengles_310?

[jagged fable]

No, the support for some Mali GPUs was ended in 1.20.50 Betas

[jagged fable]

Idk it's been 6-7 Months, lemme check a Screenshot

[viscid moth]

damn yours might not have had that 128 gl extension or smth

[jagged fable]

Yeah that was the reason why mine is unsupported, it was supported till 1.20.50

[viscid moth]

do you remember the version they annouced this change

[jagged fable]

It says OpenGL ESSL_310

[viscid moth]

then it should technically but yeah yours didn't had the ext

[jagged fable]

It was the 2nd or 3rd beta after they added Mali GPU support

[jagged fable]

So these Older Mali GPUs are gonna stay Unsupported forever?

[viscid moth]

Disabled the Deferred Technical Preview on some Android devices that don’t support our current requirements for compute shaders (GL_MAX_COMPUTE_WORK_GROUP_INVOCATIONS >= 256)

it was in 1.20.40.22

[jagged fable]

Yeah I remember this, most of the affected GPUs were Mali as Adreno has greater support for this kind of stuff

[sonic canopy]

Also this is not true, 512 is the minimum requirement for volumetric fog

[jagged fable]

It's been 6-7 months, I don't think it's coming back on these old GPUs ever again

[viscid moth]

damn

but back then there was no vol fog so understanable ig

[jagged fable]

And I'm wrong, it's been 8-9 months since that Beta dropped

One more reason to never buy Phones with MTK ever again

I don't care even if they slap that Nvidia GPU on that Dimensity 9400

[jagged fable]

I think Vol Fog was introduced in 1.20.60 Betas

[viscid moth]

it's the gpu fault not the mtk fault
gpu was made by arm

but yeah go for adreno

[jagged fable]

Yeah but SnapDragon has their own which is Adreno

And it works much better and has greater support

I wonder how Java Shaders are running with absolutely no problem on my Phone

[viscid moth]

was this bug fixed or attempted to fix?

[timber charm]

Is that RTX or deferred rendering?

[viscid moth]

deferred

also jason whats sup

[silk whale]

player.jason

[crude flare]

player.jason

[grand spade]

player.jason

[compact breach]

player.jason

[jagged fable]

Player.json*

Oh I get it

[graceful iron]

[vague shoal]

I wonder if popular Java shaders could get ported to the marketplace as pbr packs when deferred releases

Like bsl

[mossy verge]

No

Java pbr resource packs might get ported though

[sonic canopy]

No. Deferred doesn't have enough capabilities for that.

[vague shoal]

I mean if it gets enough features they might be able to recreate it at least

But I guess not

[vague shoal]

🤔

Interesting

[sonic canopy]

I wish brickcraft was possible to port to bedrock, but sadly we have no custom geometry support for vanilla blocks

[mossy verge]

You can't just change the settings of the bsl shader to turn it into seus or complementary shader

That's what deferred packs customisation actually is

[silent zealot]

RAHHH what happened lol

[proud pike]

[sonic canopy]

NaNthing particular

[silent zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[sonic canopy]

What's there innit for you

[silent zealot]

Just making sure, there isn't a way for volumetric fog density to only appear from y80 to y96

[white willow]

Yeah not currently

You can set heights but not a starting height

Which actually a starting height would be sick

Especially for mountains

Imagine if you could have fog looming at the top of a mountain like a cloud

WE NEED THIS

[proud pike]

[white willow]

This would need major changes to how fog worked though. Like if instead of working on biome entry it would have to render the different biome fogs at all times

The biome map or whatever it's called would need reworks and such

Still would be awesome though

Like example you're in a jungle and the jungle is using its predefined jungle fog. But you see a swamp nearby. The swamp would utilize its normal swamp fog while the jungle still has its own. So let's say you made swamps have a low to the ground fog, you can see that fog while in the jungle without the jungle fog being overridden. This is more than likely a very VERY hard thing to do and tbh I'm not asking for it but it would be so sick

[graceful iron]

This could also worsen of fix the issue of fog flashbangs, but if this were to theoretically happen I would hope for the latter.

[viscid moth]

layered clouds? layerd fogs???

[vague shoal]

Clouds? 👀

[sonic canopy]

FYI new format version to get SSS working is 1.21.10, I updated my message to reflect that

[long ruin]

W

[quick beacon]

Does it look the same?

[sonic canopy]

yeah

[quick beacon]

Oh, ok

[white willow]

So I'm not gonna bother with it yet

But cool that it does work again if you want it to

[graceful iron]

Normal maps arent working in update 1.21
All normal maps default to heightmaps
(CatRTX and LegendaryRTX are used as examples here)

[sonic canopy]

BetterRTX is at fault

It will be updated soon

[graceful iron]

ah

ok

[sonic canopy]

The reason for this btw is that they added SSS channel to RTX (but didn't implement SSS rendering). So adding SSS support for RTX mods in the future is an option 👀

[graceful iron]

wait what

[white willow]

Wha

Now that... could be amazing

[graceful iron]

RTX can get SSS?

thats kinda crazy that its possible

[sonic canopy]

It probably won't, I suspect that Deferred and RTX share some infrastructure internally, so some minor changes get added to both.

[graceful iron]

hmmm

But it could be possible with mods tho?

[sonic canopy]

Yes

[graceful iron]

Thats pretty cool then

[sonic canopy]

Kinda the same as RTX accidentally supporting custom sun angle or uniform values from global.json

[graceful iron]

If it is theoretically possible, I'd assume that the BetterRTX team might start messing with it in a month or so

probably when there is more knowledge on it

[long ruin]

Intresting

[vague shoal]

I hope we’re able to make custom clouds in deferred once released

[drowsy lantern]

Mali gpu have old bug
What is fix?

And brightness settings not working

[tribal trail]

no way to fix

[drowsy lantern]

if no way to fix why Mojang fix crash for mali gpu in first deferred version?

[mossy verge]

Only mojang can fix this

[tribal trail]

why do you ask me?

[tribal trail]

[quasi trench]

i hope they add GI

[proud pike]

[oak thicket]

Never

[pale urchin]

It could happen, but not anytime soon

[lilac sail]

Is this the right place to talk about fragment shaders?

If so, are they still functional in new versions with renderdragon? If not, how do i create the .bin, and is that still cross platform?

[sonic canopy]

Shader support was removed with introduction of RenderDragon, plain text shaders no longer can be loaded by the game. The only way to make shaders now is by modding material.bin files. You can find some community documentation here https://devendrn.github.io/renderdragon-shaders/docs/start.html and here https://veka0.github.io/lazurite/

[vague shoal]

Imagine when deferred gets a trailer it will show irl people trying it like the realms stories trailer and I’m in it

[graceful iron]

lmao

[vague shoal]

Ooo bare bones pbr?

[graceful iron]

Faithful64 128x Normals

[quasi trench]

huh whats going on here

[white willow]

Silly little bugs

[white willow]

i figured out something interesting

its related to fog

default shadow distance

doubled shadow distance

light rays are dependent on shadows

[sonic canopy]

Fog uses shadowmap to determine which points in the fog are illuminated and which aren't, so shadow range and resolution will influence volumetric rays range and appearance

[white willow]

so thats how that works

much simpler than how i thought it worked

and honestly makes much more sense

[tribal trail]

i talked about it several times -__-

[lilac sail]

Thanks, that's quite sad ngl

[sonic canopy]

Yeah. You can still make shaders tho, it's just a lot more difficult and annoying now. I'm personally very much enjoying shader dev on bedrock, despite how painful it can be due to a lack of any kind of official shader support.

[quasi trench]

||path tracing||

[grand spade]

isn't stable yet?

[proud pike]

If you mean deferred, nope

[lilac sail]

My plan was to add outlines to all entities, just about 2px wide, and they change based on view angles or the sun/moon angle (so corners are shiny), but i guess this is way too much effort now

💀 i hope replacing the skybox is still easy and possible

[timber charm]

Check out my Blockbench PBR plugin if you haven't already. I've added USDZ exports and a new .bbmat format for importing/exporting PBR materials in Blockbench. Here's the latest version: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/JannisX11/blockbench-plugins/fc25a5b1b34d196e20c1b7f3e687687f7b42670d/plugins/pbr_preview/pbr_preview.js

I'm going to share a bunch of these .bbmat files here. Just drag and drop, or use File > Import, to use them in Blockbench with the PBR plugin. Create and share you own materials too!

[real berry]

🎵 Making a toaster in Blockbench 🎵

[viscid moth]

ah yess sonic made a port for bedrock

[graceful iron]

no way lmao

Does that come from that one “Minecraft shaders.com” site

[white willow]

Ah yes seus on bedrock. Sonic totally hasn't dipped from shader creation for the last few years due to burnout and stuff... totally

[proud pike]

a stolen version of "SEUS" shader does infact exist in MCBE China Edition

Not made by Sonic btw

[viscid moth]

https://www.dexerto.com/minecraft/minecraft-bedrock-shaders-best-ones-how-to-install-more-1654144/

[safe urchin]

wtf

[sonic canopy]

😔

[white willow]

ah good old dexerto and their lies

[vague shoal]

Dexerto is actually so dumb

And their fans are more dumber

[white willow]

yeah they have been for quite some time too. also trying to like start drama on twitter with stuff too

its kinda wild

[vague shoal]

I saw one tweet from them showing how the Star Wars dlc for marketplace was made

And the comments said: huh? This is a texture pack?

And then you have the only fans comments saying their content is better☠️

[white willow]

bot moment

[quick beacon]

Deferred is fire with signs.

[long ruin]

Lol

[white willow]

I'm pretty sure this happens with RTX too

It's so weird

Signs are so funky

[sonic canopy]

FYI for anyone who wants to disable auto exposure, in order to capture deferred cubemaps for example. You can do that by editing tone_mapping.json, while setting both min_luminance and max_luminance to the same value. Formula for computing that value is log2(1/brightness)+3 where brightness is a multiplier (exposure).

@quick beacon

[quick beacon]

Thanks!!!!!

[quick beacon]

Wait so any value as long as both are the same? What would you suggest?

[sonic canopy]

Not any value but whichever works with brightness of your pack. I found that about 0.005 brightness is alright for the vanilla deferred during the day

[quick beacon]

Oooo

[sonic canopy]

If you were to make it 0.01 it'd be twice as bright as 0.005, 0.0025 is 2 times darker etc

[quick beacon]

Ahh

I see, thanks!

[sonic canopy]

Also when capturing cubemaps it's best to use camera command with 90 fov

[quick beacon]

It would be really cool if they make this data driven :)

[sonic canopy]

Yes that would really help developers with doing things like capturing cubemaps. Alternatively, instead of it being data driven, they could move renderer files into a more accessible folder like com.mojang so that they can be easily accessed on various platforms, without modding or sketchy programs.

[white willow]

There's a lot of other stuff that would be nice to have data driven as well like the deferred_render.json. Lots of useful stuff in there too

[vague shoal]

Cubemap support?

What does capturing deferred cubemaps mean

[sonic canopy]

Making a panorama for the start screen with deferred rendering enabled

[vague shoal]

Oh

[vague shoal]

Nice ig

[quick beacon]

I asked Veka if we can disable auto exposure for this reason :3

[white willow]

I might need to make one of these not sure how

[sonic canopy]

^ just take screenshots of all 6 directions, and crop them to a square

[white willow]

I see

So a screenshot forward, backwards, up, down, left and right

Is there a specific order these would need to be saved in?

[sonic canopy]

Nah, you'll see how it works when u look at vanilla panorama

[quick beacon]

up is panorama_4 and down is panorama_5

[safe urchin]

to make it perfect use commands

[quick beacon]

I just do /tp @s ~ ~ ~ facing ~ ~1 ~ to look up.

[sonic canopy]

Use camera command pls

[quick beacon]

:) no

[sonic canopy]

Doing the TP method is not precise, the FOV is off by half a degree (I'm not kidding). But using camera command gives you an exact crisp 90 fov, as long as you set it to 90 in the settings

[safe urchin]

use 74.0 fov

[sonic canopy]

No for camera command 90

[quick beacon]

give command

[safe urchin]

ok

[sonic canopy]

And that would be off by 0.5 degrees

[safe urchin]

yes

[quick beacon]

never used the command sooooo.... :]

[safe urchin]

veka

the command

please

[sonic canopy]

Same thing as with tp, but with camera command instead

[safe urchin]

ok

Thanks

[sonic canopy]

True in-game fov is 15.5 degrees larger than whatever you set in the settings, so a setting of 74.0 would result in 89.5 in-game fov, which may result in noticeable seams along the cubemap edges. But when using camera command, it sets fov exactly to the value that you set in the settings, so you get an exact 90° and no visual artifacts

[quick beacon]

yea can't get the command to work ||/tp for the win!!||

[safe urchin]

so just make it 74.5

nvm

in Minecraft it's 74.00 or 74.80

can't set in the middle

[safe urchin]

welp

[sonic canopy]

Banned

[sonic canopy]

You could set it to 74.5 via options.txt, but why when there's camera command

[proud pike]

[quasi trench]

woahhhh

[unreal venture]

Does anyone have a clue when Deferred will be out of preview?

[white willow]

Nope

[quasi trench]

it’ll probably be ages from now

i say it’ll hit experimental when its optimized and every feature has been added

and just needs bug testing

[unreal venture]

Fair enough, gives me time to get my addon finished before I make a deferred pack for it

[vague shoal]

Me when deferred finally releases 100 years later:

[silent zealot]

Being able to use q.heightmap for fog would be dope

[silent zealot]

That's....totally normal...

For context I hid a torch under the leaves

[white willow]

Broken SSS moment

[vague shoal]

So um

When playing realism craft with deferred

When looking at the clouds my screen gets really dark

And when I look away from them it goes back to normal

Basically any particle I look at it gets dark

[quick beacon]

That's expected since those particles are kinda bright in Deferred and auto exposure is causing everything to get dark. I've seen this many times before.

[naive solstice]

what about torches/fire that just have extreme exposure

[quick beacon]

I think that's based on how emissive the texture set is?

[vague shoal]

Well hopefully they can fix it

However it used to not happen

[white willow]

Hope who can fix what?

[vague shoal]

Making my screen brightness really dark when looking at particles

Where I can’t see anything

@white willow I would send a video but I gtg

[white willow]

Oh auto exposure. I mean yea some improvements would be nice

[quick beacon]

Solution: Make it data driven

[white willow]

I know what you are talking about as well. Happens when the sun is really bright

[white willow]

Yes!

[white willow]

can we advocate for a decreased shadow clamp angle (or allowing this to be data driven)

left default, right reduced

although this does hurt close range light shafts

eh nvm forget me im rambling

[vague shoal]

I was really wanting to play realism craft with deferred but this is unbearable

See how the screen gets dark?

When looking at the clouds?

It didn’t used to do this

[white willow]

oh that is terrible

[vague shoal]

There needs to be an option to disable auto exposure

Or make it better

[quick beacon]

^

[vague shoal]

But that would only be for certain packs

[white willow]

its better than not having the option at all

[mossy verge]

Doesn't seem like auto exposure is an issue, clouds are literally glowing.
Even if you disabled AE, clouds are still going to glow.

[white willow]

It's 100% an issue with emissive particles

If the clouds are particles (as I've heard people say) this is likely the problem

[vague shoal]

Yeah but it will get rid of the dark screen when looking at them

But yes it would be nice if they fix the flowing particle too

[viscid moth]

some QOL features that would be great

• Point light customization based on block states
-For example if you have a orange trial spawner and you wanna have orange point light for that active trial spawner. It would be orange too for the ominous state of spawner in terms of point light
Mentioned before but
• More Fog customization inside RP especially "volumetric_fog_min_ambient_value"
• exposure of auto exposure to RPS
• ...

[sonic canopy]

👀

Throwback to this #1182095383015456829 message

[pale urchin]

Anything about LPV? Assuming no

[sonic canopy]

Nope

[pale urchin]

Worth a shot

[long ruin]

Nice

[sonic canopy]

yk what I'll try to make a shader that activates volumetric point lights

[long ruin]

[proud pike]

[still zenith]

Regarding the mention of "global illumination" in the editor changelog note, this was not referring to GI techniques. The intent was to simply say that you can now control illumination (among other things) in your world via the editor. Apologies for the poor choice of phrasing.

[quasi trench]

at least we know GI is in someone’s mind at mojang

[still zenith]

We will be enhancing Deferred integration into the Editor over time, so stay tuned for more updates in that area.

[vague shoal]

I love cubemap support thank you for adding it

[still zenith]

You're welcome 😊 Sorry about the iOS issues you're experiencing. We will investigate.

[polar comet]

not sure if i'm supposed to ask for help here, but why is my fog so bright
(it's midnight)
(deffered)

[vague shoal]

Idk if you saw but my screen is flashing in deferred

[quasi trench]

everything is reflective now :doggysmurkW:

[white willow]

and super bright

[white willow]

rtx wet world bug lol

lemme see if i can get that to happen

[quasi trench]

yss se gone wrong

[white willow]

lowkey i think a funny little cubemap would just be the rtx sky

i might do that just for fun

[quasi trench]

yeah i’d honestly wanna see how that turns out

[quick beacon]

Curious if you and team plan to data drive more stuff for us.

[white willow]

yea cuz it looked rather cool in my uhh... cursed skybox

aside from the stitches

[quasi trench]

skyBOX

[vague shoal]

Grab the rtx sky cubemap pics from the renderer folder and put them in deferred

[white willow]

the stitches wouldnt be an issue if i could freeze clouds

idk how or if its even possible though

oh god rtx wet world plus a little LSD

rtx is so broken sometimes that its just funny not even annoying

im so happy this doesnt happen with deferred

anybody order a solar flare lmao

[quasi trench]

suntracing

[white willow]

oh it just got worse

im kinda just seeing how bad it will get

[rocky halo]

You mean more beautiful ?

[quasi trench]

minecraft shrooms update

[white willow]

B L U E

[rocky halo]

By posting it on reddit, you will get 5k karma ez

[quasi trench]

daba dee daba dye

[white willow]

the world preview isnt even safe

[rocky halo]

Btw at least it is a real bug

[white willow]

yea

[rocky halo]

Not like some guys who post old patched bugs or even Fake bugs

[white willow]

huh i just noticed something new

the light shafts underwater arent static in default rtx. ngl i thought this was a thing with BetterRTXs parralax waves

so perhaps deferred could have this neat detail

[quasi trench]

ooo

[sonic canopy]

YOOOO

It works!

Without shaders, this is vanilla

A new feature not mentioned in the changelog

[white willow]

yeah i just found that now

awesome

[long ruin]

Oh wow

[white willow]

VOLUMETRIC POINT LIGHTSSSSSSSSSS

[still zenith]

We didn't have a changelog for that one? Whoops. Surprise feature. 😀

[long ruin]

[white willow]

full block point lights are broken now though

[still zenith]

We did indeed add a new phase function for volumetrics to support point lights in the model.

[vague shoal]

Point lights don’t work on iOS

So I won’t be able to see it

[sonic canopy]

They need an ultra dense fog to see

[vague shoal]

Until they fix

[white willow]

question does emissivity contribute to the volumetric spreading?

[pale urchin]

No

[vague shoal]

Point lights broken on windows too?

[white willow]

only full blocks

[pale urchin]

We still need a global illumination solution before thinking about that.

[quick beacon]

I'll try after my fortnite session. Important one this is.

[white willow]

aw man this would look amazing if the point lights were working

[pale urchin]

We still need the option to change the falloff

[sonic canopy]

now try that in the nether with lava point lights :)

[pale urchin]

You mad man

[white willow]

i dont believe theyd be working lemme test though

[pale urchin]

Oh you know what I should check the nether too

[white willow]

yep lava point lights arent working either

[pale urchin]

Darn. the pack I'm using has no fire point lights

[white willow]

fire point lights are broken

my pack has them and they arent working

[pale urchin]

Ah

Neither do campfires

[sonic canopy]

^ this

would be very nice

[white willow]

i should clarify, on objects with point lights, perhaps the emissivivity would contribute to how far out the range would go. or at least the bloominess of it

[quick beacon]

Super intense fog btw

[sonic canopy]

Try lush caves

[quick beacon]

I will

[white willow]

sorry for all the bug reports but uhhhh point light colors are also borked

my point lights here are green

[quick beacon]

Can't rn cuz my PC is running fortnite on Ultra (:

[white willow]

based

[sonic canopy]

no it's the opposite, that means ur pc can't handle 2 games with ultra graphics at the same time

un-based

basen't

[white willow]

wait your point lights are fine?

im confusion

[quick beacon]

ngl. but this looks dope

[white willow]

oooh

i wanna find a cave

hold on

this one change just brought deferred up so much

doesnt really help the look of it with no fog but

[pale urchin]

I wonder why there's a diamond around the lantern?

Like there's something wrong with the colour grading

[quick beacon]

Find the shadow LOL

[pale urchin]

I wonder if all they need to do to fix that is increase the point light near plane

Since it appears to be self shadowing

[white willow]

hmmm

i dont like that my colors are messed up

[quick beacon]

Idk, everything works fine for me

[white willow]

my entire set of point light colors are borked

none of them are working

none of my colors are working nor are full blocks

it appears my global json broke

negative sun angles dont work now ig?

[sonic canopy]

-x = 360-x

[white willow]

yep that was the cause

[sonic canopy]

you know what you have to do now

nether

[white willow]

yep

[quick beacon]

Burn that 3060

[white willow]

lemme increase the lgiht clustering amount real quick

so theres less bugs with shadows and stuff

no lava point lights yet but omg

the nether looks insane

also one of my textures broke so gimme a minute to fix that

this was never an issue before and now it is

[safe urchin]

this is a feature for Deferred that ray tracing will cry about, lol

[sonic canopy]

Didn't they say that 2 channels textures are fixed now, huh

Maybe that needs a format version

[quick beacon]

Reall epic!

[white willow]

im not quite sure why these are nt working

[quick beacon]

Can y'all see the ray?

[white willow]

lemme try saving it as a greyscale

[pale urchin]

Ye

[quick beacon]

I really like this

[white willow]

lemme make a ton of point light config changes too

hold up

[quick beacon]

I don't need that because it's already pretty! Thanks Aaja <3

[white willow]

this is just with longer range point lgihts

lava time?

these do happen to be a little funky. the volumetrics dont really seem to care about block shape

ok ive fixed the weird halos

increasing highlights improves thsi

[vague shoal]

[white willow]

woah this is so bad word cool

full blocks need shadow support fr

really reminds me of lpv

[polar comet]

was messing up a bit with point light
and why are there these sharp edges?

[oak thicket]

What’s lpv

[white willow]

light propagation volumes

its a commonly used technique for floodfill lighting

[oak thicket]

💩

@vague shoal

[vague shoal]

?

[long ruin]

Womp womp

[white willow]

Oh deferred is also chalked on android

[quick beacon]

Can't wait to be told it's my pack being broken on MCPEDL 🔥

[long ruin]

Lmao

poggy pack = not working pls fix update for 1.21.20.21 pls respond it is critical issue!! /j

[quick beacon]

"L pack"

[long ruin]

fake shader

[white willow]

Real

Oh no the game broke and we can't fix it OH NO

In this case it's not our fault but yk people won't understand that and blame us 🤷‍♂️

[long ruin]

[silent zealot]

@sonic canopy , what was your fog file config for the volumetric light point so I can test it out in .10.24 and compare it to .20.21

[sonic canopy]

It was a defined PBR cinematic fog pack, where I removed a few zeroes from scattering 0.00X -> 0.X iirc

Tho if you want to test whether point lights were affecting fog in previous versions, don't bother. Shader code for it was added only this preview

[silent zealot]

I want to do a before/after pic 😛

?

[quick beacon]

Yep. A few things are now capped which is sad.

[silent zealot]

Now...correct me if im wrong...but 0.85 is less than 60 right?

[sonic canopy]

Do they cap negative numbers in color grading?

[quick beacon]

Not sure

[silent zealot]

🙏 Mr @still zenith , common sense would tell me that it's actually from [0, 0.6], but I would like to have confirmation

[sonic canopy]

Value caps are no fun. The coolest things you can do with fields like overlay_color are possible due to heavily pushing values out of their intended range

[quick beacon]

Seems higher But in serious talk, it is, but I think... idk lol

Editor made me aware of these caps

[quasi trench]

can you guys believe we are approaching one year of deferred technical preview

[vague shoal]

Time flies

But it needs to fly faster

[long ruin]

crazy

[quasi trench]

we’ll need that before and after

[graceful iron]

what is this

What did I miss

[long ruin]

Minecraft editor supports deferred

[graceful iron]

Why does the editor have graphics stuff

[silent zealot]

Read the changelogs ✨

[graceful iron]

I just did

[long ruin]

Cubemaps are supported

[graceful iron]

I saw

[long ruin]

Easier for pack creators

To see the changes in real time

[graceful iron]

I’m gonna have a field day with the next Obsidian update then

[quasi trench]

obsidian deferred edition?

:doggysmurkW:

[white willow]

Yeah I'm def gonna be using a ton of the editor

[quasi trench]

barebones pbr

[graceful iron]

maybe…